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MacRumors
Aug 28, 2007, 06:18 PM
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Apple's UK iTunes store (iTunes Link (http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewGenre?id=32)) is now offering television shows to customers.


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Individual episodes are available for £1.89 per episode and offer television shows from ABC, Disney Channel, Nikelodeon, MTV, Paramount Comedy and Playhouse Disney.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/28/television-shows-now-available-on-uk-itunes/)



Mac-Addict
Aug 28, 2007, 06:20 PM
w00t about time Apple got their act together :D Prices are a bit high though...

rdowns
Aug 28, 2007, 06:21 PM
w00t about time Apple got their act together :D Prices are a bit high though...

Someone has to pay for the extra "m" and "e" in programs. :D

macjonny1
Aug 28, 2007, 06:22 PM
Too bad those British nutters can't spell Programs!

iDeal
Aug 28, 2007, 06:22 PM
Oh dear, lots and lots of Lost...

popelife
Aug 28, 2007, 06:28 PM
£1.89 per episode? Ouch. At that price, the only thing I'd ever use it for is downloading the odd episode that I've missed.. and I'd really have to want to see it. Download three or four episodes and you might as well buy the DVD.

jnc
Aug 28, 2007, 06:31 PM
"Nikelodeon, MTV, Paramound Comdey"

Heh. I guess we really do spell things different here.

? Oh and that price isn't so bad, not even the cost of two songs. If you're in the UK, you must be used to be getting ripped off in this way by now~

chas0001
Aug 28, 2007, 06:44 PM
I was really looking forward to being able to download TV programs from iTunes in the UK. Unfortunately after looking at the prices I am beginning to have second thoughts. For a complete season/series of Lost (23 episodes) it costs £32.99 GBP to download via iTunes (about $61 :eek::eek:). I can buy the DVD for £34.99, have a much better quality picture and something can be played on any DVD player.

Does apple just remove the $ sign and replace it with a £.

RIP OFF BRITAIN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rip-Off_Britain) :(

daneoni
Aug 28, 2007, 06:51 PM
£1.89?!!. This is why i dont bother watching TV anymore.

yagran
Aug 28, 2007, 06:52 PM
FINALLY! :D the apple tv now has a purpose :D

MagicWok
Aug 28, 2007, 06:54 PM
Well - I might just be tempted to get an :apple:TV now.

Before it made no sense in the UK - fingers crossed this is just the start with the new iPods coming round the corner :)

1020
Aug 28, 2007, 06:55 PM
The Brits get it before we do, and Canada's practically a US state.

homeboy
Aug 28, 2007, 06:56 PM
Just in time before the new iPods get launched. The prices are bullocks though, 1.89 quids:eek:!!!

elppa
Aug 28, 2007, 07:06 PM
Underwhelming, for the moment.

It's a shame they don't have any shows from British broadcasters.

aspro
Aug 28, 2007, 07:21 PM
Good to see, it's now time that Apple brings TV shows down to Australia!

Donnacha
Aug 28, 2007, 07:26 PM
The Brits get it before we do, and Canada's practically a US state.
Nonsense, Canada is nowhere near as American as the UK - we've spent billions proving our puppy-like loyalty in Iraq, sacrificing hundreds of working class lads we might have actually needed if we didn't now have such easy access to Polish immigrants.

We in the UK deserve to pay $4 for American TV shows; if you want the same in Canada you'll just have to step up and put some effort into the next crusade - Iran is looking promising.

pamon
Aug 28, 2007, 07:43 PM
with the current exchange rate thats $4/USD per show. OUCH!!


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Apple's UK iTunes store (iTunes Link (http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewGenre?id=32)) is now offering television shows to customers.


http://images.macrumors.com/article/2007/08/28/ukitunes.png


Individual episodes are available for £1.89 per episode and offer television shows from ABC, Disney Channel, Nikelodeon, MTV, Paramound Comedy and Playhouse Disney.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/28/television-shows-now-available-on-uk-itunes/)

caliguy
Aug 28, 2007, 07:59 PM
Yep, terrible prices. £1=$2
Out of curiosity, what is the minimum wage in England?

psychofreak
Aug 28, 2007, 08:01 PM
Yep, terrible prices. £1=$2
Out of curiosity, what is the minimum wage in England?

£5.52 an hour...

ictiosapiens
Aug 28, 2007, 08:05 PM
Yep, terrible prices. £1=$2
Out of curiosity, what is the minimum wage in England?

£5.35 an hour (From 1 October 2007 this will increase to £5.52)

bête noire
Aug 28, 2007, 08:25 PM
Do you think perhaps it has simply not occurred to Apple that customers in other countries might like to purchase something other than US-produced content?

caliguy
Aug 28, 2007, 08:28 PM
Do you think perhaps it has simply not occurred to Apple that customers in other countries might like to purchase something other than US-produced content?

Well I assume Apple does everything they can to get all they can on the store. For now, it might just be easier to put US made content on.

Chris.Thomson
Aug 28, 2007, 08:30 PM
It's nice that Apple is getting TV Shows in other countries, but honestly, are they forgetting about their northern friends? Please Apple, get us TV Shows, Movies, and iPhones in Canada.

Apple is releasing these in the UK, and soon the iPhones (as rumors say). Come on Apple!

Stella
Aug 28, 2007, 08:52 PM
Wow - at #1.89, some ones being ripped off.

Though Britain is a crap country, so they deserve it ( and originally from UK too ).

Vastly more importantly:
Where's Canada on iTunes TV shows?

Too bad those British nutters can't spell Programs!

"Programmes" is the perfect spelling...

zedsdead
Aug 28, 2007, 08:56 PM
What is the resolution?

mkrishnan
Aug 28, 2007, 09:01 PM
I can buy the DVD for £34.99, have a much better quality picture and something can be played on any DVD player.

I do sympathize, but...this situation is essentially also true in the US. Lost Season 3 example -- $38.99 on Amazon and $34.99 on iTunes.

http://myskitch.com/mkrishnan/picture_2-20070828-220038.jpg

Not to mention the numerical value of your minimum wage in pounds and ours in dollars is sadly about the same.... *le sigh*

psychofreak
Aug 28, 2007, 09:03 PM
Not to mention the numerical value of your minimum wage in pounds and ours in dollars is sadly about the same.... *le sigh*

But our cost of living is much higher...

mkrishnan
Aug 28, 2007, 09:07 PM
But our cost of living is much higher...

Oh, I know. And people in my profession make rather more here than they do there, conversions by currency or $=£....

jonstorm99
Aug 28, 2007, 09:15 PM
I hope BBC TV is on its way to iTunes too!

twoodcc
Aug 28, 2007, 09:25 PM
glad to hear it :)

Donnacha
Aug 28, 2007, 09:30 PM
Oh, I know. And people in my profession make rather more here than they do there, conversions by currency or $=£....
You know, it's traditionally been accepted that America works out as pretty much the best country in the world in terms of pay but, in recent years, I've found myself wondering if that is still true.

The entire economy seems to have become incredibly predatory, with only the truly rich protected from an increasingly complex set of everyday hurdles. The extra money the middle classes are given by one hand is taken by the other when it comes to things like insurance, medical bills, legal fees, tuition etc and, worse, the system is so entirely focused upon raw profit that longer-term considerations, such as what is actually good or efficient for society as a whole are disregarded. It is bizarre that everyday life in the World's richest, most powerful country can be so brutal. I suspect that much of the money American consumers save on electronics ends up getting spent on insurance, improved home security systems and cars because public transport is too dangerous.

Sure, Americans are shocked to hear how much tax Europeans pay but if you actually spend time in these countries you begin to notice big differences such as free universal medical care and either free or heavily-subsidized college places that lead to a less harsh, less frightened society and, frankly, that is worth a lot more to me that being able to afford a second Porsche.

I love America but, damn, things are moving in the wrong direction; too small a group of people are riding high on the hog and, eventually, the bill for that is going to arrive.

mkrishnan
Aug 28, 2007, 09:36 PM
I love America but, damn, things are moving in the wrong direction; too small a group of people are riding high on the hog and, eventually, the bill for that is going to arrive.

I don't disagree at all.... It's a dilemma what one should do about it though. I'd definitely support higher taxes, more infrastructure (transportation, free healthcare, etc), and a flattening of the compensation system. In the healthcare system, the compensation issue is particularly ridiculous. American specialist practitioners (surgeons and other specialty medical practitioners, but also specialists in other areas of healthcare) make a lot more of a premium over generalist / first line providers in the US than elsewhere, and a lot more overall than providers of either pedigree elsewhere. And yet there's still a ridiculous multiple over the top of that for healthcare executives. That whole pay structure probably does need to be a LOT flatter.

raykhrud
Aug 28, 2007, 09:47 PM
They also added some Ringo's albums. At least to British store.
(Yes, I am from Russia and use both US and UK stores. So?)

zap2
Aug 28, 2007, 10:07 PM
Good to see...although I recall iTunes TV Shows were not very many at the time Apple added them(almost 2 years ago!) in the USA, but now they are great.

SO many shows

MacTO
Aug 28, 2007, 10:17 PM
Still no TV shows available in Canada. I'm mad at CRTC. :mad:

Chaszmyr
Aug 28, 2007, 10:55 PM
£5.52 an hour...

You say that like it's extremely low, the federal minimum wage in the US is $5.85 per hour :o

kis
Aug 28, 2007, 11:18 PM
The Brits get it before we do, and Canada's practically a US state.

Well, Switzerland has the highest Apple market shares in the world (16.8% consumer share) and we're not seeing any TV content either.

I guess we all have to thank our copyright owners for that :-(

CDphoto
Aug 28, 2007, 11:30 PM
Still no TV shows available in Canada. I'm mad at CRTC. :mad:

Is it the CRTC or our lax rules regarding copyright? You can thank the bad folks in Quebec for making it one of the worst places in the world for pirated movies being created. Apple might be having problems getting Networks to agree distribute shows up here. Regardless, I cant wait for something to happen.

steve31
Aug 28, 2007, 11:43 PM
NO IPHONE FOR CANADA AND NOW NO TV FOR IPOD....I'M MAD!!!! It's hard to be a apple fan here in canada!:mad::mad::mad::confused:

NiteWaves77
Aug 29, 2007, 01:11 AM
"Nikelodeon, MTV, Paramound Comdey"

Heh. I guess we really do spell things different here.



The MacRumors admins have been really lax with checking for typos and misspellings lately. Seem rushed or distracted.

Credibility = 1/Typos+1 when you're someone this respected. Get with the program, guys. Sheeesh.

princigalli
Aug 29, 2007, 01:26 AM
Nice start. Now I hope they will come to Europe too.

Cromulent
Aug 29, 2007, 01:29 AM
Excellent, they slipped this one by on the sly though.

Slumbercub
Aug 29, 2007, 01:34 AM
£1.89! are they 'avin a larf. :mad:

Worse than that, there is not a single show I would want to watch let alone pay for.

Any idea when the movies side of things is available in the UK?

liketom
Aug 29, 2007, 01:47 AM
£1.89! are they 'avin a larf. :mad:

Worse than that, there is not a single show I would want to watch let alone pay for.

Any idea when the movies side of things is available in the UK?

this is excellent news - we all knew that the prices in the uk store was going to be high, but i'm thrilled to see the launch of tv shows

downloading lost series 1,2 and 3 as we speak :D oops just spent a crap load of money :o

AndyR
Aug 29, 2007, 01:52 AM
£1.89!! Apple can get stuffed at that price, I'll rather import US iTunes cards and use them on a duff US account.

If the BBC do put stuff on iTunes they shouldn't be able to charge for it. We already pay a stupid TV license for the BBC and if your on windows you get that iPlayer and shows for free, so if they charge for Mac users I'll be refusing to renew my TV license in May.

Kelmon
Aug 29, 2007, 01:57 AM
Underwhelming, for the moment.

It's a shame they don't have any shows from British broadcasters.

Quite correct. 2-Years and all we got was the same stuff that the US Store pretty much had at launch. I'm not big on US shows and I was really hoping for some local content, particularly since I'm currently living in Belgium and therefore don't get this today.

Will give it a try and see what I think since I've not seen Commander in Chief before.

Yeah, the prices are steep. Perhaps this is the industry's attempt to show that people aren't really interested in digital downloads so they can force Blu-ray and HD DVD on us more. Bollocks to both of them.

dogtanian
Aug 29, 2007, 02:00 AM
A small bunch of American crap isn't particularly exciting (No offence).

My super sweet 16 should be banned in the UK and everywhere else in the world, I happened to watch it once a or twice and had to switch off before I lobbed the remote at the TV at these moronic LA teens.

And just another complaint about the price...theirs no way I'd spend almost £2 on a single show. £1.50 would be high but acceptable.

On the positive side, lets see what BBC and Channel 4 can do for iTunes!

jonparadise
Aug 29, 2007, 02:00 AM
Hmm pricey.

I'm surprised they did that with so little fanfare.

I wonder how soon we'll get the new seasons though. Will they appear on iTunes the day after they air in the states, or will we have to wait for their UK airdate to pass instead?

Zygon Gambit
Aug 29, 2007, 02:06 AM
At least the mechanism is in place. Pity the programmes are mostly so dull though. They need to get a few British ones there. And, yes, the prices are awful.

Still, plenty of oppotunity for improvement!

emotion
Aug 29, 2007, 02:15 AM
Wow - at #1.89, some ones being ripped off.


Agreed. Apple can get stuffed.

I can't see anyone actually going for that silly pricing.


Though Britain is a crap country, so they deserve it

Nonsense.

cwedl
Aug 29, 2007, 02:25 AM
£1.89 - Thats so expensive! I was expecting £1.29, I have had a look at the quality which seems quite rubbish, its going to be sometime before I buy any shows.

Mustard Chops
Aug 29, 2007, 02:26 AM
Nonsense, Canada is nowhere near as American as the UK - we've spent billions proving our puppy-like loyalty in Iraq, sacrificing hundreds of working class lads we might have actually needed if we didn't now have such easy access to Polish immigrants.

We in the UK deserve to pay $4 for American TV shows; if you want the same in Canada you'll just have to step up and put some effort into the next crusade - Iran is looking promising.

lol:D

BlizzardBomb
Aug 29, 2007, 02:27 AM
Needs some BBC shows on there. And they should be reduced price seeing as we pay TV license. Come on, who wouldn't want to download Top Gear to their iPods? ;)

And yes, I'll add to the whining, £1.89 is a LOT.

dalvin200
Aug 29, 2007, 02:33 AM
Needs some BBC shows on there. And they should be reduced price seeing as we pay TV license. Come on, who wouldn't want to download Top Gear to their iPods? ;)

And yes, I'll add to the whining, £1.89 is a LOT.

totally agree - if any BBC shows appear for that same pricepoint, that'll be utter nonsense..

also, not sure if BBC will appear due to their iPlayer etc...?

The price of a season is almost more expensive that you can buy the disc set on DVD!

Now if they were sold in HD... :rolleyes:

IscariotJ
Aug 29, 2007, 02:44 AM
You say that like it's extremely low, the federal minimum wage in the US is $5.85 per hour :o

It is low, taking into account how far that money will ( not ) go....

The UK is an expensive place to live.

cupique
Aug 29, 2007, 02:50 AM
It's good that we're getting some progress on this matter. Here in Finland we only have Pixar Shorts on iTunes, that is according the front page, but when you click the link a windows opens and explains: The item you've requested is not currently available in the Finnish Store. !!!! Nice going....

Project
Aug 29, 2007, 02:57 AM
Well they are the same price as music videos so this was expected.

Glad to see it up. Thats the main thing.

tris01
Aug 29, 2007, 02:58 AM
Come on this is a step forward my poor old :apple:tv has some legal content to play now

Kaiser Phoenix
Aug 29, 2007, 03:02 AM
I was really looking forward to being able to download TV programs from iTunes in the UK. Unfortunately after looking at the prices I am beginning to have second thoughts. For a complete season/series of Lost (23 episodes) it costs £32.99 GBP to download via iTunes (about $61 :eek::eek:). I can buy the DVD for £34.99, have a much better quality picture and something can be played on any DVD player.

Does apple just remove the $ sign and replace it with a £.

RIP OFF BRITAIN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rip-Off_Britain) :(

YES exactly my thoughts, why is everything a rip off here in the UK...

Desperate Housewives iTunes VS Amazon UK

£32.99 x 3 = £98.97 for entire 3 seasons in iTunes.

£25.48 + £27.97 + £33.74 = 87.19 in Amazon UK for the DVD sets

Roughly a 12 quid difference where on the DVDs u get subtitles, higher quality etc etc!!!!!! UNACCEPTABLE!!

Although to be fair, I guess theyve cut out the tasking process of converting DVDs to digital files which is very convenient...sigh

belovedmonster
Aug 29, 2007, 03:05 AM
Though Britain is a crap country, so they deserve it ( and originally from UK too ).

You sir are an idiot, firstly for hating a perfectly good country, and secondly for saying a country deserves to pay more on itunes.

Project
Aug 29, 2007, 03:12 AM
Roughly a 12 quid difference where on the DVDs u get subtitles, higher quality etc etc!!!!!! UNACCEPTABLE!!

Then buy the DVD set. Whats the problem?

Kaiser Phoenix
Aug 29, 2007, 03:16 AM
Then buy the DVD set. Whats the problem?

Nothing...

By the way, how large are the files and are they 'protected' in any way?

timmillwood
Aug 29, 2007, 03:19 AM
Though Britain is a crap country

Why? i think it is one of the best countries, yeh we have to pay a little more but we do earn quite a bit.

We do get free health care, it may not be that good, but ok for free!

emotion
Aug 29, 2007, 03:21 AM
It's a good job Jobs sees the AppleTV as a "hobby". There's no way people are going to go for the device (in the UK) at this rate.

As for the BBC they've firmly nailed their flag to Microsoft's pole, so to speak. You'll be lucky if you'll see the iPlayer come to OSX in the next year, though I suspect it's contingent on MS's cross-platform answer to flash (Avalon) that's coming. Don't hold your breath for that to come to iPhone/OSX ipods soon though.

As for the UK bashing. It's too easy to do whilst overlooking the good things Britain has to offer (like *culture*). We pay too much for everything though, that's a given.

dalvin200
Aug 29, 2007, 03:24 AM
As for the BBC they've firmly nailed their flag to the Microsoft's pole, so to speak. You'll be lucky if you'll see the iPlayer come to OSX in the next year


I'm pretty sure the BBC has said it will make it available for Macs in "Autumn" 2007

While I agree that it's a very welcome move and a great step forward for TV shows in the UK store, I'd be very interested to see when the movies (and indeed the pricing) appear in iTMS too.

Has anyone actually bought any TV shows yet? I assume they are the same quality as in the US store?

emotion
Aug 29, 2007, 03:28 AM
I'm pretty sure the BBC has said it will make it available for Macs in "Autumn" 2007

You believe that date? The XP version only just works apparently. I give it at least a year before we see a proper non-beta launch for anything that will work on OSX. It relies heavily on MS drm which OSX doesn't have access to.

dalvin200
Aug 29, 2007, 03:34 AM
You believe that date? The XP version only just works apparently. I give it at least a year before we see a proper non-beta launch for anything that will work on OSX. It relies heavily on MS drm which OSX doesn't have access to.

I didn't say I believed it ;)

Not really bothered anyway - from what I've heard about the iPlayer, it's more hassle than it's worth at the moment..

But that's for another thread :D

surferfromuk
Aug 29, 2007, 03:34 AM
OMG!WTF!

...and stuff like that...

Don't teens just steal this stuff via bittorrent anyway ?

Nice effort but unless they put some content on that channel aimed at anyone over 13 they're not going to sell much...

BBC should license iTunes as a safe means of offering it's content to mac owners since they have criminally employed a Microsoft evangelist within a public funded organistation to be in charge of digital media distribution.

The fact is that the BBC iplayer does not work with macs - and I dare say will NEVER work with macs - and I dare say mac owners will be seriously suspicions about loading a time lapse process based DRM encryption engine onto their safe clean mac's...

They could easily make BBC content protected by fairplay in that it will only play via iTunes and Apple TV. I'd be seriously happy with that.

liketom
Aug 29, 2007, 03:36 AM
yes i agree the prices are a rip off , but hey least we got it before anyone else :rolleyes:

shows i want to watch -

Dr Who
Top Gear
24
Prison Break
X-Files
Star Trek
Heroes
Planet Earth
Any Micheal Palin Series ie ,.. round the world in 80day's ,Palin accross europe ect
Only Fool's And Horses
Red Dwarf
Blackadder
Bottom

emotion
Aug 29, 2007, 03:39 AM
I didn't say I believed it ;)

Not really bothered anyway - from what I've heard about the iPlayer, it's more hassle than it's worth at the moment..

But that's for another thread :D

:) agreed on all points.

dalvin200
Aug 29, 2007, 03:42 AM
yes i agree the prices are a rip off , but hey least we got it before anyone else :rolleyes:

shows i want to watch -

Dr Who
Top Gear
24
Prison Break
X-Files
Star Trek
Heroes
Planet Earth
Any Micheal Palin Series ie ,.. round the world in 80day's ,Palin accross europe ect
Only Fool's And Horses
Red Dwarf
Blackadder
Bottom

you forgot Fawlty Towers mate

tadunne
Aug 29, 2007, 03:48 AM
I think this is a good start. The prices are not that bad really. Sky anytime download service is more expensive and some of the files are rental only.

They just need to get more UK content on there and maybe reduce the price of some of the season pass prices. £50 quid for something is a little bit much.

All I need now is for the new nano to support video play back and I'm sorted ;)

surferfromuk
Aug 29, 2007, 03:48 AM
you forgot Fawlty Towers mate

yeah, and Survivors (http://www.survivorstvseries.com/index2.htm)...since it's the year of plague movies...

(well, at least it's a change from vast amounts of south park!)

chas0001
Aug 29, 2007, 03:49 AM
Why? i think it is one of the best countries, yeh we have to pay a little more but we do earn quite a bit.

We do get free health care, it may not be that good, but ok for free!

Actually if you work for a living you do not get free health care at all. Both you and your employer make National Insurance Payments.

liketom
Aug 29, 2007, 03:57 AM
Actually if you work for a living you do not get free health care at all. Both you and your employer make National Insurance Payments.

NI is not that bad - it's the Tax what makes me growl everytime i look at my pay slip

tadunne
Aug 29, 2007, 04:03 AM
NI is not that bad - it's the Tax what makes me growl everytime i look at my pay slip

For what you pay in NI you could probably get an ok bupa plan ;) but of course NI covers other things like employment benefit and state pension etc..

oh, RAT HOLE!

chas0001
Aug 29, 2007, 04:05 AM
NI is not that bad - it's the Tax what makes me growl everytime i look at my pay slip

Again it depends upon who much you earn. If you are Director of your own company (e.g IT contractor/consultant) you end up paying employers and employees NI. As for the TAX............

We have had a fantastic Summer here in Spain ;)

Sly
Aug 29, 2007, 04:10 AM
If you don't want to pay UK prices in the iTunes Store, it's really not too hard to set up a US iTunes account from anywhere in the world now it accepts Paypal payments.

Schtumple
Aug 29, 2007, 04:10 AM
This has gone incredibly off topic, but watch Michael Moors sicko, then you'll be glad you have the NHS. Seriously, I'd much rather have a slightly dodgy NHS than have to pay my own health insurance...

edesignuk
Aug 29, 2007, 04:13 AM
wow, I so won't use this at all!

:rolleyes:

Steven Jackson
Aug 29, 2007, 04:16 AM
When connected to the UK iTunes store, the Apple TV doesn't seem to have the trailers for top TV episodes like it does on the American store.

Can anyone confirm?

Steve.

And why no movies?

m1ti
Aug 29, 2007, 04:21 AM
But our cost of living is much higher...

Yeah but then UK people get paid more. Random example: a graduate fixed income trader analyst at a certain Swiss investment bank in New York gets USD 60,000 ex-bonus starting package whereas that same bank located in Canary Wharf, London pays GBP 35,000 ex-bonus starting package (and bonus in London now surpasses New York as well).

Back to the topic: 1.89 for an episode is a rip off! I would rather go and buy the DVD from Amazon and get superior video AND audio quality.

spikeyjac
Aug 29, 2007, 04:26 AM
Hi, Does anyone know how much mb each episode of a tv program is?
e.g
Lost, or Ugly Betty?
Thanks
Jack

thworple
Aug 29, 2007, 04:26 AM
Hmm pricey.



I wonder how soon we'll get the new seasons though. Will they appear on iTunes the day after they air in the states, or will we have to wait for their UK airdate to pass instead?

Yeah, I second that thought - although with shows like Lost broadcasting within a couple of days of the US airdate on SKY, they may wait those extra hours before becoming available on the iTunes store.

Aegelward
Aug 29, 2007, 04:40 AM
i hope we get some tv series with the same airing/download dates as the US ITM, i'd be willing to pay for the convenience of getting heros, battlestar galactica and stargate atlantis the next day after they air in the US >_>

that or i'll have to nag a mate in the US too give me some ITMS vouchers ;)

Zygon Gambit
Aug 29, 2007, 04:46 AM
If you don't want to pay UK prices in the iTunes Store, it's really not too hard to set up a US iTunes account from anywhere in the world now it accepts Paypal payments.
Have you done this without a US address?

Sly
Aug 29, 2007, 04:46 AM
that or i'll have to nag a mate in the US too give me some ITMS vouchers ;)

They don't work on a UK iTunes account

Sly
Aug 29, 2007, 04:48 AM
Have you done this without a US address?

No, but you don't need a real address just pretend Fake Name (http://www.fakenamegenerator.com/index.php)

michaelverdin
Aug 29, 2007, 04:49 AM
I am in no way condoning piracy, however, what always perplexes me is how ITMS and other digital content shops expect to fight piracy as they always say they do. In my mind, as things stand there are two options, buy a CD/DVD, or download from Torrent sites. Again, why anyone would pay the price ITMS charges for low quality, highly compressed music or films baffles me.

Believe me, if ITMS started selling music in WAV or even AL and films in ISO format I would be first in line to buy them.

chas0001
Aug 29, 2007, 04:53 AM
If you don't want to pay UK prices in the iTunes Store, it's really not too hard to set up a US iTunes account from anywhere in the world now it accepts Paypal payments.

Unfortunately you can only link US iTunes to a US Paypal account, which can only be set up if you have a US bank Account or Credit Card.

pmoeser
Aug 29, 2007, 04:56 AM
We are the 52nd state. Not Canada
We deserve the phone and tv shows and movies before anyone else.
We close down our entire CBD in our biggest city for a token visit from our Prez. Bush

Sly
Aug 29, 2007, 04:58 AM
Unfortunately you can only link US iTunes to a US Paypal account, which can only be set up if you have a US bank Account or Credit Card.

Opening a US Paypal account is easy use the link given above. Then transfer funds to if from a genuine UK (or other countries) account.

joseph2166
Aug 29, 2007, 05:03 AM
I hope BBC TV is on its way to iTunes too!

The BBC have just launched the beta of their free iPlayer, so they might think twice about committing to another download service after having spend so much effort on this one.

Having said that the iPlayer doesn't work on macs yet - and they might want to launch BBC made content on itunes in the same way they sell DVDs.

Kilamite
Aug 29, 2007, 05:04 AM
Yeah but then UK people get paid more. Random example: a graduate fixed income trader analyst at a certain Swiss investment bank in New York gets USD 60,000 ex-bonus starting package whereas that same bank located in Canary Wharf, London pays GBP 35,000 ex-bonus starting package (and bonus in London now surpasses New York as well).

Haha, you really think so?

We get hit with ridiciously taxes and other crap that we'll loose a lot of our yearly wage.

There is some very highly paid jobs in Britain yes, but that doesn't speak for the nation as a whole. The average wage in Britain is £18,000 ($36,000).

Rubbish.

And £1.89 is a rip off, I was expecting something like £0.80 not over double that.

ANTMUZ
Aug 29, 2007, 05:09 AM
The BBC will not be using iTunes to deliver content to Mac users. They may experiment with the odd show though, but they are definitely developing a standalone OS X app.

A recent email from the BBC says:

I understand you are keen to know if there are any plans to make BBC programme available on iTunes.

If I may explain, there are no plans at present to make our programme available in the manner you suggest. However our intention is to broaden the availability of this service to other platforms in the near future.

. . .We are working very hard to develop a version for Apple Macs and Microsoft Vista later this year, with other platforms such as the 3 million cable homes, smart handheld devices and DTT via either PVRs or IP hybrid boxes to follow.

It also looks like the iPlayer will next year be available worldwide with people in other countries paying to view programmes.

Project
Aug 29, 2007, 05:10 AM
Why was you expecting 80p episodes? TV shows have been twice the price of songs in the US for what, 2 years now. Music Videos have been 1.80 for the same length of time.

Im just baffled about how the price is a surprise to people.

elppa
Aug 29, 2007, 05:14 AM
I hope BBC TV is on its way to iTunes too!

As has been pointed out, the BBC have sold their soul to the devil and their OTT Janus DRM. Not only that, I have used iPlayer and it barely works. This Mac version is unlikely to appear any time soon as the technology to lock down content you own to a certain time limit simply does not exist on the Mac.

Even if people don't like the shows at the moment, what Apple Inc do have is top notch infrastructure for and experience with delivering digital contents, pioneered first with their movie trailers site and extended with the iTunes store. This is the kind of experience the BBC lacks.

£1.89!! Apple can get stuffed at that price, I'll rather import US iTunes cards and use them on a duff US account.

If the BBC do put stuff on iTunes they shouldn't be able to charge for it. We already pay a stupid TV license for the BBC and if your on windows you get that iPlayer and shows for free, so if they charge for Mac users I'll be refusing to renew my TV license in May.

Ah, but the wonderful iPlayer shows expire after 7 days. iTunes content you get to own. Agree it should be cheaper, but they are unlikely to give it away. I mean they charge for Doctor Who DVD's, I don't see any difference in doing that and charging for proper downloads.

Much Ado
Aug 29, 2007, 05:14 AM
Good news in the short term, and it should do quite well.

I still worry that this business model is not the way the industry is going, though...

elppa
Aug 29, 2007, 05:16 AM
Haha, you really think so?

We get hit with ridiciously taxes and other crap that we'll loose a lot of our yearly wage.

There is some very highly paid jobs in Britain yes, but that doesn't speak for the nation as a whole. The average wage in Britain is £18,000 ($36,000).

Rubbish.

And £1.89 is a rip off, I was expecting something like £0.80 not over double that.

Yes and the average house price in London is a few years will be £500,000.

hob
Aug 29, 2007, 05:46 AM
The Brits get it before we do, and Canada's practically a US state.
You should've gone to war in Iraq - that's how you get full membership ;)

synth3tik
Aug 29, 2007, 05:51 AM
for a long while as i look at my TV shows I have felt bad that the UK and Asia have not had shows. Finally I can watch my shows somewhat guilt free.

Dagless
Aug 29, 2007, 05:53 AM
No British content? I only really watch British TV shows barring Lost and any comedy or drama from Australia. No BBC? That's a big one.

Tsurisuto
Aug 29, 2007, 05:53 AM
Too bad those British nutters can't spell Programs!

Or even more shameful is how most most Americans forget where the language they use actually came from.

In it's height the United Kingdom ruled 72% of the globe, spanning 3 continents. Not bad for such a small country who spread the English language to the outer reaches of the world. It's not our fault that the American's can't use the English language they were taught properly! :)

elppa
Aug 29, 2007, 05:58 AM
Good news in the short term, and it should do quite well.

I still worry that this business model is not the way the industry is going, though...

But it is what the vast majority of consumers want.

The “Music Industry” didn't want anything to do with digital downloads full stop.

parsingphase
Aug 29, 2007, 06:15 AM
now all we need is some decent content (Dr Who, B5 etc?) and better prices.

Don't think I'll be holding my breath :eek: though

Stella
Aug 29, 2007, 06:41 AM
You sir are an idiot, firstly for hating a perfectly good country, and secondly for saying a country deserves to pay more on itunes.

I did they that remark in Jest.. I didn't add the smiley to make it more obvious...

But thinking about it... Whats so good about the UK? I can't think of many, which is why I left... Canada feels more like home than the UK ever did. Perhaps I was Canadian in a past life!!! :-)

I'm surprised the lack of British content... no doubt they'll follow in time. It'll be interesting to see BBC content up there... a BBC show appears just after the time that its broadcast on TV... and Apple expect you to pay for the show again... after already paying for it with the BBC license fee! Being charged twice. Better hope the BBC iPlayer appears on the Mac sooner than later. The iPlayer surely would be the preferred media for watching BBC shows for this reason?

mcadoodle
Aug 29, 2007, 06:46 AM
Why? i think it is one of the best countries, yeh we have to pay a little more but we do earn quite a bit.

We do get free health care, it may not be that good, but ok for free!

Are you a member of this labour government's propaganda squad :confused:

Yeah it's one of the best countries for being the worst, you name it, teenage pregnancies, druggies, drinking, violence, crime, benefit fraud, health, being a child, litter, social cohesion etc, you name it, you'd struggle to find such a top achiever as us (Blighty) in all the "Worst of" tables anywhere in the developing world.

Makes you proud hey :(

Britain - Land of ASBO glory!

For free healthcare read shoddy, dirty healthcare. Don't fall for the NHS is great propaganda, go check out some other European countries and realise (considering the taxes the middle classes pay) that we live in a rapidly declining dump! - no wonder record numbers of people are leaving each year.

bigandy
Aug 29, 2007, 06:59 AM
Though Britain is a crap country, so they deserve it ( and originally from UK too ).
Surely, if you're from the UK originally, you'll realise Britain isn't a country - and therefore, by definition, can't be a "crap country" as you say. :p

I'll agree wholehartedly that England is crap though. Scotland's where it's at, especially with our sexy new Glasgow store (plus where else could you see a stabbing outside an Apple Store?) :D


I won't be using iTunes for TV shows. Maybe if they'd been even £1.29 I'd have been tempted, but at £1.89 it's just a bloddy rip off. :(

jonparadise
Aug 29, 2007, 07:08 AM
Are you a member of this labour government's propaganda squad :confused:

Yeah it's one of the best countries for being the worst, you name it, teenage pregnancies, druggies, drinking, violence, crime, benefit fraud, health, being a child, litter, social cohesion etc, you name it, you'd struggle to find such a top achiever as us (Blighty) in all the "Worst of" tables anywhere in the developing world.

Makes you proud hey :(

Britain - Land of ASBO glory!

For free healthcare read shoddy, dirty healthcare. Don't fall for the NHS is great propaganda, go check out some other European countries and realise (considering the taxes the middle classes pay) that we live in a rapidly declining dump! - no wonder record numbers of people are leaving each year.

Are you a member of the Daily Mail reading squad? :)

The UK is no-where near as 'bad' as the media loves to portray. We have an excellent standard of living and the NHS, while not perfect by any means, isn't as bad as made out.

The hotel I work at in London has huge amounts of guests who fly into the country just to use our health service.

Unfortunately the traditional British stoical attitude seems to have morphed into abject negativity, fuelled by the media.

Only here would exam pass grades get better year on year only to have the media say the exams are too easy rather than admit education may actually be better!

dalvin200
Aug 29, 2007, 07:09 AM
Surely, if you're from the UK originally, you'll realise Britain isn't a country - and therefore, by definition, can't be a "crap country" as you say. :p


well said sir!!! people need to wise up before posting ;)


I won't be using iTunes for TV shows. Maybe if they'd been even £1.29 I'd have been tempted, but at £1.89 it's just a bloddy rip off. :(

yep.. it's a direct £1 = $1 ratio with the US store..
if the movies are £9.99 or something similar, then i can't see many people buying them.

the only time i'll buy tv shows is if i miss an episode or if i'm on the move and desperately need to watch it..
otherwise, my skyhd box will have it recorded in superior quality anyway.

but who knows.. my tune might change when all the new seasons start - prison break, lost, heroes etc..
would be cool to actually watch a few episodes in the gym on a new widescreen ipod :)

Stella
Aug 29, 2007, 07:12 AM
Hey - here in T.O, its early in the morning and I haven't had coffee yet.
:-p

I lived there for over 20 years...

Surely, if you're from the UK originally, you'll realise Britain isn't a country - and therefore, by definition, can't be a "crap country" as you say. :p
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[QUOTE=jonparadise;4106538]
Unfortunately the traditional British stoical attitude seems to have morphed into abject negativity, fuelled by the media.

Only here would exam pass grades get better year on year only to have the media say the exams are too easy rather than admit education may actually be better!

Its no wonder the favourite place is the pub - drown the sorrows!

Exams: Its a no win situation - exams pass rate rises and exams are getting easier ; if they fall, teachers aren't doing their job, and the students are slacking.

Its never generally seen as: teachers are great, students are achieving, and thus education standards are rising..

Negativity all round!!

gnasher729
Aug 29, 2007, 07:17 AM
you forgot Fawlty Towers mate

Complete series (12 episodes) at www.dvd.co.uk for £15.95. Just throw it into Handbrake.

dalvin200
Aug 29, 2007, 07:23 AM
Complete series (12 episodes) at www.dvd.co.uk for £15.95. Just throw it into Handbrake.

nice one.. ;)
ordering now.. :D

iTunes store - pah - who needs it .. hehe

OllyW
Aug 29, 2007, 07:31 AM
I suppose it's good Apple have remembered we exist but I'm not really a fan of American TV and they are way too expensive :(

surferfromuk
Aug 29, 2007, 07:35 AM
Britain is exactly what you choose to make of it.

For me it is nature filled walks through green and beautiful fields and woodlands - an emerald paradise.
For others it is a seedy little place viewed with malice and suspicion from behind the curtained windows of their pot smoke filled bedrooms in between levels of the many mega-death urban destruction simulators that are so popular on the gaming consoles of the times.

elppa
Aug 29, 2007, 08:10 AM
I'm surprised the lack of British content... no doubt they'll follow in time. It'll be interesting to see BBC content up there... a BBC show appears just after the time that its broadcast on TV... and Apple expect you to pay for the show again... after already paying for it with the BBC license fee! Being charged twice. Better hope the BBC iPlayer appears on the Mac sooner than later. The iPlayer surely would be the preferred media for watching BBC shows for this reason?

I brought the Planet Earth DVD box set.

Maybe I should have stolen it, as I've already paid the license fee?

Project
Aug 29, 2007, 08:11 AM
I can definitely see BBC library content being put up relatively soon. The stuff you can buy on DVD would be at home on here.

mrgreen4242
Aug 29, 2007, 08:29 AM
I was really looking forward to being able to download TV programs from iTunes in the UK. Unfortunately after looking at the prices I am beginning to have second thoughts. For a complete season/series of Lost (23 episodes) it costs £32.99 GBP to download via iTunes (about $61 :eek::eek:). I can buy the DVD for £34.99, have a much better quality picture and something can be played on any DVD player.

Does apple just remove the $ sign and replace it with a £.

RIP OFF BRITAIN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rip-Off_Britain) :(

It's not just Apple, it's all the media in your country. In any case, the prices are, when you compare to DVD, about the same in the states. A season of a show costs $35 here, and DVD sets are $30-40 (for the most part). The other thing to consider is the taxes you pay - do your downloads include your national sales tax/GST? That's about 17%, right? That means the pretax price is 1.61GBP, or about $3.25... which brings us to...

£5.52 an hour...

That's $11+ an hour. In the US, or federal minimum wage is about HALF that (I'm not kidding). Even in my state which is rolling out increased minimum wage over the next 18 months or so, it's going to only be $7.25, and that's 18-24 months from now - it's UNDER $6 right now.

You pay more for everything, but you also make more.

emotion
Aug 29, 2007, 08:37 AM
Actually if you work for a living you do not get free health care at all. Both you and your employer make National Insurance Payments.

Depends very much on how much treatment you need. I have Cystic Fibrosis which is a chronic genetic illness. My healthcare is very good and very cheap (free at the point of use) compared to how I would be if we had a US-style private system.

dalvin200
Aug 29, 2007, 08:42 AM
Link (http://www.trustedreviews.com/mp3/news/2007/08/29/Apple-Confirms-5-September-Special-Event/p1)

Does it mean anything extra that (selected) UK journalists are being asked to attend the BBC studios at 6pm to watch the LIVE feed of Apple Special Event?

Obviously big news :)

Project
Aug 29, 2007, 08:47 AM
Link (http://www.trustedreviews.com/mp3/news/2007/08/29/Apple-Confirms-5-September-Special-Event/p1)

Does it mean anything extra that (selected) UK journalists are being asked to attend the BBC studios at 6pm to watch the LIVE feed of Apple Special Event?

Obviously big news :)

They often show keynotes from the BBC studios for the British press who cant make it to California. The UK is the 2nd or 3rd biggest market for Apple so large scale press coverage here is important for them too.

dalvin200
Aug 29, 2007, 08:50 AM
They often show keynotes from the BBC studios for the British press who cant make it to California. The UK is the 2nd or 3rd biggest market for Apple so large scale press coverage here is important for them too.

yeah, i thought they did it in the past, but this obviously means that it's going to be big news..

as usual, i can't wait!! our second baby is due in the next 2 weeks, so could theoretically be any time soon!!

hope not on the evening (uk time) of sept 5th though :p

Project
Aug 29, 2007, 09:10 AM
yeah, i thought they did it in the past, but this obviously means that it's going to be big news..

as usual, i can't wait!! our second baby is due in the next 2 weeks, so could theoretically be any time soon!!

hope not on the evening (uk time) of sept 5th though :p


lol... do hospitals have Wifi? hmmm

m1ti
Aug 29, 2007, 09:24 AM
Haha, you really think so?

We get hit with ridiciously taxes and other crap that we'll loose a lot of our yearly wage.

There is some very highly paid jobs in Britain yes, but that doesn't speak for the nation as a whole. The average wage in Britain is £18,000 ($36,000).

No, it is not 18,000. It's 23,244 (447 a week) according to National Office Statistic. But let's not labour on this point because there is a funny Tory vs. Labour argument going on here!

Parky
Aug 29, 2007, 10:19 AM
"Nikelodeon, MTV, Paramound Comdey"

Heh. I guess we really do spell things different here.

? Oh and that price isn't so bad, not even the cost of two songs. If you're in the UK, you must be used to be getting ripped off in this way by now~

Maths can't have been a strong point for you!

Single song on iTunes = £0.79
Two songs on iTunes - £0.79 *2 = £1.58
Video on iTunes = £1.89

Nickygoat
Aug 29, 2007, 10:31 AM
All the people complaining about high prices are missing a trick.

Head over to MSE (http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=452628), follow the instructions and voila - £100 iTunes vouchers for £21.

Redeem the vouchers through Quidco (pays 8%) and your videos will actually cost 27p.

And this isn't spam ;)

ATG
Aug 29, 2007, 10:43 AM
BitTorrent, sponsored by iTunes Store UK ;)

Seriously, does apple expect us to buy any of this when:
a) It's over twice what the americans pay
b) It's all US produced
c) It's probably cheaper to buy the DVD

How can they expect anybody to use this?

bigpoppamac31
Aug 29, 2007, 12:23 PM
What about Canada dammit!! We're still waiting up here. Damn CRTC!! :mad: What wrong with you?!? I'm more interested in the TV shows then the movies because I would never buy a movie online like that I would always buy the DVD. Nonetheless I want these other features in Canada. Also I want the entire music library. I think we're missing a few million songs.

One thing i don't understand though is why there is a seperate show for each country. Why not have one store with everything on it accessible from any country?!?! That would make more sense to me. Anyways that's my two cents!

mac2thefuture
Aug 29, 2007, 01:22 PM
I've waited ages for this..........what a terrible choice of programs though. Most of the shows are unfamiliar, and a ridiculous charge. Come on :apple: - SORT IT OUT.
Before I turn to the BBC :p

vendettabass
Aug 29, 2007, 01:26 PM
from a students point of view.... who will pay £130 (?) a year for a TV licence... this equates to:

68.7 shows a year
5.7 shows a month

not really that cool:|

BoyBach
Aug 29, 2007, 01:57 PM
All the people complaining about high prices are missing a trick.

Head over to MSE (http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=452628), follow the instructions and voila - £100 iTunes vouchers for £21.

Redeem the vouchers through Quidco (pays 8%) and your videos will actually cost 27p.

And this isn't spam ;)


Have you bought from them? Are they legitimate?

Seems to good to be true.

happylittlemac
Aug 29, 2007, 02:16 PM
Twice the price and a pitiful line up, oh yes I just have to rush onto iTunes Dora the little Explorer. Who are Apple trying to fool with this? I just wonder when the Apple apologists are going to turn on the RDF and call this a 'breakthrough' One is not amused.

Kilamite
Aug 29, 2007, 02:31 PM
from a students point of view.... who will pay £130 (?) a year for a TV licence... this equates to:

68.7 shows a year
5.7 shows a month

not really that cool:|

Can you elaborate on that?

happylittlemac
Aug 29, 2007, 02:37 PM
If you don't want to pay UK prices in the iTunes Store, it's really not too hard to set up a US iTunes account from anywhere in the world now it accepts Paypal payments.

Nice idea but also requires a US based PayPal account.

Nickygoat
Aug 29, 2007, 03:00 PM
Have you bought from them? Are they legitimate?

Seems to good to be true.

Yeah I've bought from them before.

Yes they're legit. He had a few problems with his old website & Apple but that seemed to be because he'd pinched some of their copyrighted graphics rather than the vouchers themselves. Plus there's plenty of testimonials on the thread I linked to.

MacsAttack
Aug 29, 2007, 03:03 PM
from a students point of view.... who will pay £130 (?) a year for a TV licence... this equates to:

68.7 shows a year
5.7 shows a month

not really that cool:|

Actually, to see any of those shows you have to pay a TV licence. A few years back they changed the law to include internet conectivity as qualifying for the need to have a licence too.

I have to say, faced with the choice of iTunes (limited selection and a bit of a rip off), and the BBCs efforts (no Mac support yet, DRM, 7-day window), I'll stick with option 3 - eyeTV and a DTV receiver. No DRM. No time window. Got to pay for the TV licence anyway. Excelent image and sound quality. Wide selection of programs. Can convert to just about any format I want...

OK - so there are a few shows I'll have to wait for - but with so many channels on Freeview most of what I want to comes up eventually - or again if I missed it the first time around. Perhaps not perfect solution, but I can almost always find something I want to watch when I have the time for it - either live or from the stash of programs and films I've added to the schedule.

FleurDuMal
Aug 29, 2007, 03:05 PM
Well, at least we're getting somewhere.

However, until we get some British content on there, I don't think anyone will pay it much attention.

The price? Well, to be honest, that was the sort of price I was expecting.

chas0001
Aug 29, 2007, 04:24 PM
Depends very much on how much treatment you need. I have Cystic Fibrosis which is a chronic genetic illness. My healthcare is very good and very cheap (free at the point of use) compared to how I would be if we had a US-style private system.

National Insurance is exactly that, an insurance policy. If you work, you pay for it. If you do not work, then somebody else pays for it. I have been very lucky in that I have never been treated in a hospital and rarely ever see my doctor (although I have to pay for prescriptions). When I retire I doubt that I will get a state pension because there will be no money left in the fund. As I stated before nothing is free.

bilbo--baggins
Aug 29, 2007, 04:35 PM
Definitely better to have something on offer than nothing - a step in the right direction.

However, there is nothing at all on offer that I would be willing to buy. I've just bought Lost on DVD for less than the cost of the downloads, and the rest doesn't interest me.

Lets hope films follow shortly - and hope they really work hard to quickly improve the selection. Over time the music selection on the UK iTunes site has gone from very limited to quite reasonable, so hope the video downloads follow suit.

chas0001
Aug 29, 2007, 04:45 PM
You pay more for everything, but you also make more.

Yes but as many have said before the cost of living in the UK is much higher. For example : Packet of 20 cigarettes 5.23 GBP ($10.50), Bottle of half decent wine 6 GBP ($12). As for property, don't even go there. All I can say is thank god I no longer live in the UK.

Renko31
Aug 29, 2007, 04:56 PM
As has been pointed out, the BBC have sold their soul to the devil and their OTT Janus DRM. Not only that, I have used iPlayer and it barely works. This Mac version is unlikely to appear any time soon as the technology to lock down content you own to a certain time limit simply does not exist on the Mac.
snip


The statement about the time limit for content isn't correct. Jaman manage it quite nicely - http://www.jaman.com

emotion
Aug 29, 2007, 05:23 PM
National Insurance is exactly that, an insurance policy. If you work, you pay for it. If you do not work, then somebody else pays for it. I have been very lucky in that I have never been treated in a hospital and rarely ever see my doctor (although I have to pay for prescriptions). When I retire I doubt that I will get a state pension because there will be no money left in the fund. As I stated before nothing is free.

Free at the point of use is what I put.

The UK government has never refused to "insure" me either. A medical insurance company has every right.

You generally find that people who are ill and use the NHS actually have nice things to say. It's not perfect but I'd rather be here than in the US.

tadunne
Aug 29, 2007, 05:41 PM
1) The UK price includes sales tax, the US one does not
2) Apple (as with every company) has to set their prices to take in to account future exchange rate changes. So there's a buffer there.
3) The price for music videos has been 1.89 for ages now, why are you all surprised?
4) Other similar (online to download) services are more expensive.

OllyW
Aug 29, 2007, 05:49 PM
1) The UK price includes sales tax, the US one does not


Since when has VAT been 90%?

:p

AFKMatrix
Aug 29, 2007, 06:16 PM
LOL this is funny. I get those shows, plus hundreds more for FREE!!! And no its not from torrent sites. Its a streaming site. I will admit some of the episodes for shows don't work but usually its cos there quite old. But for example they have all the Andromeda Series and the episode from series one works lol (admitedly the resolution isn't great on this episode but the majority of it is good stuff, specially for free!!)

Anyway have fun wasting ur money with Apple.

jesteraver
Aug 29, 2007, 08:44 PM
**** i want itunes canada with tv shows and movies already.

Jeonat
Aug 29, 2007, 11:58 PM
I am pleased to see TV shows on the UK iTunes, and I am hoping the amount of content will increase week by week as it rather disappointing at the moment (but not a bad start). Hoping they can also do a deal with the BBC.

£1.89 is steep and I would think twice about buying individual episodes but I might go for a series or two, like Lost which doesn't seem like bad value.

But if Apple want this service to be a real DVD-boxset killer then they will have to allow burning to DVD. Not everyone has an Apple TV and not everyone wants to watch shows on their computer. Burning to DVD would be ideal and they already allow burning to CD with the music tracks so what's the difference, really?

G.Kirby
Aug 30, 2007, 02:56 AM
Atlast, TV downloads for the UK. Shame we are getting stiffed on the Price :mad:

surferfromuk
Aug 30, 2007, 03:53 AM
The BBC iplayer is a joke for the following reason l ;

Does anybody actually watch TV on their computer ?

Apart from the fact that 70% of PC's are 'junk tech' in call centres I would be surprised if anyone is actually going to sit and watch hours of TV a their computer screen least of all BBC licence payers on PC's...

I mean really watch TV - not surfing clips, news items or the odd 30 min mpeg you have 'acquirred' once or twice a week...

This is the whole point of Apple TV isn't it - to get digital media content into your living room where you can sit and watch it from the couch comfortably with your friends and family on the big screen.

All this crap about TV is dead is just bollox. The content delivery options may be changing but the 'sitting down in comfort' and watching the content will NEVER change...People aren't going to sit around the computer screen to watch TV.

So as far as I can tell Apple are the only players around that actually have a genuinely effortless and refined web to living room solution going on right now.


So why BBC doesn't partner up with Apple and offer a genuine 'catchup' viewing system via the Apple TV - with perhaps a dedicated menu like they have for Youtube is frankly stupid and in all probably only blocked by the microsoft gimp...

This is why I say the BBC iplayer is part criminal and part ill-conceived.

Apple TV integration would have been seriously sweet...

Parky
Aug 30, 2007, 03:58 AM
1) The UK price includes sales tax, the US one does not
2) Apple (as with every company) has to set their prices to take in to account future exchange rate changes. So there's a buffer there.
3) The price for music videos has been 1.89 for ages now, why are you all surprised?
4) Other similar (online to download) services are more expensive.

1. If you remove VAT the price is still £1.60 which equates to $3.20 at current exchange rates. That is a full $1.21 more that the US non taxed price.

2. Taking the above £1.60 price, the exchange rate would have to fall to $1.24 = £1.00, a rate that has not been seen for many, many years, if at all!!

3. I was surprised at the cost of music videos as well.

4. So what? Other music stores are cheaper!

Sly
Aug 30, 2007, 04:23 AM
Nice idea but also requires a US based PayPal account.

Thats VERY easy to do.


Edit: I see since yesterday 'Fake Name Generator' has been taken down, so its now going to be somewhat harder to do

Cromulent
Aug 30, 2007, 04:23 PM
Maths can't have been a strong point for you!

Single song on iTunes = £0.79
Two songs on iTunes - £0.79 *2 = £1.58
Video on iTunes = £1.89

He was probably referring to iTunes Plus songs which are 99p each and thus two songs is greater than the price of a TV episode.

joseph2166
Sep 1, 2007, 05:12 AM
National Insurance is exactly that, an insurance policy... As I stated before nothing is free.

Whatever you say I'd still rather have relatively low cost insurance paid to the government - a government who doesn't refuse customers, and doesn't make the whole process of getting better aggravated by worries over how much this is costing.

The BBC iplayer is a joke for the following reason l ;

Does anybody actually watch TV on their computer ?



Yeh I do thanks for asking. As a student it makes much more sense to have Eye Tv on the computer than having a completely separate box taking up space in my room.

Having said that iPlayer is fairly bad - because as with most Windows software its badly designed. For example you have to browse the shows in internet explorer (Safari didn't work for me). But the BBC on iTunes will of course charge money for their shows - as they do for DVDs. The license fee only covers actual TV and Radio stuff - and a little online content.

PCMacUser
Sep 1, 2007, 05:36 AM
Yeh I do thanks for asking. As a student it makes much more sense to have Eye Tv on the computer than having a completely separate box taking up space in my room.
Yep, when I lived in Oxford I used to use a DTT tuner on my iBook with EyeTV because I lived in a shared house and the TV wasn't always on the channel I wanted to watch :)


Having said that iPlayer is fairly bad - because as with most Windows software its badly designed.

I agree with you about iPlayer, but think it's a bit harsh on all the hardworking and probably underpaid (many students) programmers out there to say that most of their software is badly designed!

Multimedia
Sep 1, 2007, 08:48 AM
The BBC iplayer is a joke for the following reason l ;

Does anybody actually watch TV on their computer ?

Apart from the fact that 70% of PC's are 'junk tech' in call centres I would be surprised if anyone is actually going to sit and watch hours of TV a their computer screen least of all BBC licence payers on PC's...

I mean really watch TV - not surfing clips, news items or the odd 30 min mpeg you have 'acquirred' once or twice a week...

This is the whole point of Apple TV isn't it - to get digital media content into your living room where you can sit and watch it from the couch comfortably with your friends and family on the big screen.

All this crap about TV is dead is just bollox. The content delivery options may be changing but the 'sitting down in comfort' and watching the content will NEVER change...People aren't going to sit around the computer screen to watch TV.

So as far as I can tell Apple are the only players around that actually have a genuinely effortless and refined web to living room solution going on right now.


So why BBC doesn't partner up with Apple and offer a genuine 'catchup' viewing system via the Apple TV - with perhaps a dedicated menu like they have for Youtube is frankly stupid and in all probably only blocked by the microsoft gimp...

This is why I say the BBC iplayer is part criminal and part ill-conceived.

Apple TV integration would have been seriously sweet...I watch TV on my computers 100% of the time. I have a 40" Samsung 1920 x 1080 HDTV as my primary monitor on my Mac Pro and a 24" Dell 1920 x 1200 as my secondary. With two EyeTV tuners on two Quad Core Macs, over the air TV comes right into my Mac Pro & Quad G5 and on to the big screens I am watching from the comfort of my computers' command center where I am operating 4 computers at once over the span of 7 screens including a 30" screen attached to the Quad G5.

Your notion of only sitting in a living room to watch television applies to most people's lifestyles, but not to all. I'm a HDTV on Computers FREAK Baby! :eek: ;)

I've got it set up so there is really no difference between watching HDTV and computing. It's a seamless transition between the two activities that I am often doing at the same time.

Kilamite
Sep 1, 2007, 09:10 AM
I got rid of my old small 14" TV in my room and watch TV off my Mac now.

The recording feature is the best - fact that I can set my Mac to wake up at a certain time, record the TV show then go back to sleep is just awesome.

emotion
Sep 1, 2007, 10:06 AM
I watch TV on my computers 100% of the time. I have a 40" Samsung 1920 x 1080 HDTV as my primary monitor on my Mac Pro and a 24" Dell 1920 x 1200 as my secondary. With two EyeTV tuners on two Quad Core Macs, over the air TV comes right into my Mac Pro & Quad G5 and on to the big screens I am watching from the comfort of my computers' command center where I am operating 4 computers at once over the span of 7 screens including a 30" screen attached to the Quad G5.

Your notion of only sitting in a living room to watch television applies to most people's lifestyles, but not to all. I'm a HDTV on Computers FREAK Baby! :eek: ;)


!!

What TV do you watch that needs that kind of commitment to equipment?

Almost everything on TV is rubbish. Most films aren't much better.


As for AppleTV. Not a bad idea but iTunes should rip DVDs and the bought content off iTMS should have 1080p resolution (1080i at least).

Kilamite
Sep 1, 2007, 10:09 AM
As for AppleTV. Not a bad idea but iTunes should rip DVDs and the bought content off iTMS should have 1080p resolution (1080i at least).

1080p resolution for a download?! Are you insane?! The file size would be massive - not adaquet for home use.

720p is brilliant - and standing back to the proper viewing distance you can barely, if at all see much of a difference in 1080 and 720.

1080p also puts more strain on the GPU and most low end TV's that feature 1080p can't even display it smoothly. It panics when there is too much happening on the screen.

emotion
Sep 1, 2007, 10:20 AM
1080p resolution for a download?! Are you insane?! The file size would be massive - not adaquet for home use.

720p is brilliant - and standing back to the proper viewing distance you can barely, if at all see much of a difference in 1080 and 720.

1080p also puts more strain on the GPU and most low end TV's that feature 1080p can't even display it smoothly. It panics when there is too much happening on the screen.

I'm not insane. However, my point is that the pricing needs to reflect what quality you're actually getting from Apple. At the moment the whole thing just isn't going to work for most people. Remember the success of the iPod and the use of iTunes was mainly due to people ripping CDs (you can choose the quality) and still most people's ipods are full of non-iTMS content. This effect is magnified with visual content as there is the barrier of actually getting the content to people's TV.

Kilamite
Sep 1, 2007, 11:27 AM
I'm not insane. However, my point is that the pricing needs to reflect what quality you're actually getting from Apple. At the moment the whole thing just isn't going to work for most people. Remember the success of the iPod and the use of iTunes was mainly due to people ripping CDs (you can choose the quality) and still most people's ipods are full of non-iTMS content. This effect is magnified with visual content as there is the barrier of actually getting the content to people's TV.

I've never bought a single piece through the iTunes store and probably never will.

My local record shop (screw the big companies like Virgin) often has deals and good offers on music, albums half price and latest tunes etc. Much more value for money.

I don't really agree with paying such a high price for music either...as a musican myself I play my guitar in my band because I love it and love the buzz it gives me, not because I only aim to make huge mounts of cash.

Fair enough you'll need to make money to keep going as a musician, but the record companies are really bringing in corruption and taking away the musical love and talent.

Look at half the pish that appears in the charts, makes me really wonder how hard it is to get signed. I'm sure if I stuck a cat in a bin and banged the side and recorded it I could get a record out.

New era to that old phrase, "the best things in life are free."

mazurka
Sep 1, 2007, 06:57 PM
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Does apple just remove the $ sign and replace it with a £.

They do the same in Ireland, I think, only the dollar gets replaced by a euro sign. But...we still don't have tv programmes on the Ireland iTunes Store, even
though this has appeared. www.apple.com/ie/ It's an Irish Apple page, no doubt.

PCMacUser
Sep 1, 2007, 07:34 PM
1080p resolution for a download?! Are you insane?! The file size would be massive - not adaquet for home use.

Haha, you know - that was my exact reaction a few years ago to downloading 4Mb MP3 files over a 56k modem... but people did it anyway.

PCMacUser
Sep 1, 2007, 07:40 PM
They do the same in Ireland, I think, only the dollar gets replaced by a euro sign. But...we still don't have tv programmes on the Ireland iTunes Store, even
though this has appeared.

Barely any countries have TV programmes on the iTunes Store. Apple is a company that is focussed on products for the US market. All that other countries can hope for is a 'trickle down' effect...

Kilamite
Sep 2, 2007, 11:00 AM
Haha, you know - that was my exact reaction a few years ago to downloading 4Mb MP3 files over a 56k modem... but people did it anyway.

Hard drives don't have the capacity to store a growing collection of 1080p films and shows.

Eventually we'll get huge capacity hard drives at a fair price, but considering Apple TV's max HD option is only 160GB, storing a collection of 1080p films on that - maybe 8-12 if you are lucky.

PCMacUser
Sep 2, 2007, 05:12 PM
Hard drives don't have the capacity to store a growing collection of 1080p films and shows.

Eventually we'll get huge capacity hard drives at a fair price, but considering Apple TV's max HD option is only 160GB, storing a collection of 1080p films on that - maybe 8-12 if you are lucky.

Let the software drive the hardware. It always has, always will.

psychofreak
Sep 2, 2007, 05:17 PM
Let the software drive the hardware. It always has, always will.

But in this case (both mechanical on a large scale, and flash on the small scale) the hardware is falling quite a lot behind demand.

PCMacUser
Sep 3, 2007, 05:10 AM
But in this case (both mechanical on a large scale, and flash on the small scale) the hardware is falling quite a lot behind demand.

Someone came into my office the other day and said they'd seen that one of the memory manufacturers had just finished testing a TERABYTE flash drive.

Keep the faith, brother, keep the faith.

beelzeben
Sep 5, 2007, 09:02 AM
It sounds like it from this Guardian article:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/story/0,,2162894,00.html

BoyBach
Sep 5, 2007, 09:07 AM
It sounds like it from this Guardian article:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/newmedia/story/0,,2162894,00.html


Apple broadcast the event live at the BBC for European journalists.

They did this for the introduction of the 5th Generation iPod if my memory serves...

BoyBach
Sep 7, 2007, 05:34 AM
I went shopping in town yesterday and saw this 'fantastic offer'. (http://www.hmv.co.uk/hmvweb/displayProductDetails.do?ctx=285;5;-1;-1&sku=668518)

I don't know why some of us Brits are complaining about £1.89 per episode...

:eek:

beaniebaby
Sep 25, 2007, 01:40 PM
If i bought any tv shows it would be U.K ones. I've seen all US shows over and over again, I watched a clip about why apple has these sorts of prices and i remember steve jobs saying that it is all the tax and licenses they have to have compared to US it's very cheap there but here its very expensive for traders, another thing is i read that the BBC is going to compete with itunes so i don't think they will ever put bbc shows on the store now! :(

None of them are thinking fairly at what their customers might want which is for evey show that the BBC has to offer should be available to itunes customer! :) and another thing is for me, why do apple take sooo long to get things on the itunes store? and to release their products over here? that is what really bugs me!