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MacRumors
Aug 28, 2007, 10:48 PM
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Now that Apple has invited select media to the a press event (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/28/apple-event-september-5th-2007/) which will take place on September 5th, 2007, it seems clear that Apple's iPods will finally see updates.

While we typically steer clear of mock-ups of upcoming Apple devices, in the months leading into this event, there have been a number of potential leaks about the upcoming iPods. Based on this information, we've found these mockups which closely depict what has been rumored (nano (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/22/ipod-nano-photos/), touch (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/23/ipod-touch-details/)) by 9to5mac (http://www.9to5mac.com/).

http://images.macrumors.com/article/2007/08/28/nano_150.png
iPod Nano (#)
(mockup by Engadget (http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/23/apples-lawyers-called-the-ipod-nano-phatty-is-apparently-the/))

http://images.macrumors.com/article/2007/08/28/touch_150.png
iPod Touch (#)
(mockup by 1381 designs, found at KezNews.com (NSFW))
Update: Touch mockups from 9to5mac (http://www.9to5mac.com/ipod-touch-contest-winners-2345145345)

The Beat Goes On

Appleinsider notes (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/08/28/apple_confirms_special_event_on_september_5th.html) that "The beat goes on." tag-line that appears on Apple's media invitation is likely a reference to the Beatles.

http://images.macrumors.com/article-new/2007/08/TheBeatGoesOn.jpg
Reportedly, the Beatles' final press release ended with: When the spinning stops -- that'll be the time to worry, not before. Until then, the Beatles are alive and well and the beat goes on, the beat goes on.
The launch of the Beatles on iTunes has been long expected, with recent interface videos prominently featuring Beatles album art.

Wireless iPods?

Meanwhile, we've personally heard some interesting tidbits that the upcoming iPods may sport WiFi wireless connectivity, but no confirmation has been available. However, a couple of other reports on the net have been suggesting the same.

Firstofall blog (http://www.firstofall.net/?p=16) claims "There was also discussion about wireless capabilities for iTunes Store browsing. Whether this would be based on WiFi or another technology is entirely unknown". The site also suggests the possibility of an FM tuner in the iPods.

LoopRumors similarly suggests (http://www.looprumors.com/index.php?future-ipods-to-control-itunes-wirelessly) that upcoming iPods would be able to "wirelessly control iTunes" via WiFi using two different methods:One would enable iPods to act as a remote and control playlists by queuing a song from the iTunes data file, instead of streaming the file. The other method is using AirTunes, by streaming the MP3 files.

Article Link: The Beat Goes On: Nano, Touch, Beatles, Wireless? (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/08/28/the-beat-goes-on-nano-touch-beatles-wireless/)



DVNIEL
Aug 28, 2007, 10:51 PM
I have never been this excited for an iPod release since the 3rd Generation came out.

Wanh
Aug 28, 2007, 10:51 PM
Pretty strong feeling the new iPods will have wifi

Mgkwho
Aug 28, 2007, 10:54 PM
I hope they at least have FM tuners and bluetooth.

And the shuffle will see a 2GB black model, I hope.

-=|Mgkwho

blehpunk
Aug 28, 2007, 10:55 PM
that nano mock up is so fugly.

Iscariot
Aug 28, 2007, 10:56 PM
If the iPod looks anything like the mock up, it's going to be fookin' sexy.

If the iPod Nano looks anything like the mock up, it's an abomination of design.

-kritter-
Aug 28, 2007, 10:56 PM
now i just need to find out how to come up with up to $350 or more before the fifth...

mmzplanet
Aug 28, 2007, 10:57 PM
Forget just remote controlling iTunes. Imagine you have an Airport Express hooked up to your home theater. Not only would it be cool to control iTunes on a Mac in another room, your wireless iPod or a visiting wireless iPod streams music to the Airport as well.

mazola
Aug 28, 2007, 10:57 PM
new iPod socks.

We're *due*!

anirban
Aug 28, 2007, 10:57 PM
I am looking forward to this press event with as much enthusiasm as I do when I wait for Macworld/WWDC conferences.

lowbb
Aug 28, 2007, 10:58 PM
i don't like the look of the mockups
look like the mp3 player from china that can be found in HK:(

theROZ
Aug 28, 2007, 11:00 PM
will there be some additions on the iphone during the mac event...that turn up like the last event....sneaky apple

Telp
Aug 28, 2007, 11:01 PM
heres to hoping a higher capacity flash pod!

wakerider017
Aug 28, 2007, 11:01 PM
If there is WiFi I hope it is not just for iTunes and what not...


I want to use the WiFi for Safari and other web related activities!!!!

Caezar
Aug 28, 2007, 11:02 PM
Am I the only one to be tired to read about the imminent addition of the Beatles to iTunes?

I don't deny it is one of the best bands ever (if not the best), but c'mon... Is it material for repeated breaking news?

:confused:

Telp
Aug 28, 2007, 11:02 PM
i don't like the look of the mockups
look like the mp3 player from china that can be found in HK:(

I agree, i hope there nice then this.

Am I the only one to be tired to read about the imminent addition of the Beatles to iTunes?

I don't deny it is one of the best bands ever (if not the best), but c'mon... Is it material for repeated breaking news?

:confused:

Well seeing how the beatles and apple have been in a fued for many years, it is sort of a big deal.

rhoydotp
Aug 28, 2007, 11:04 PM
Am I the only one to be tired to read about the imminent addition of the Beatles to iTunes?

I don't deny it is one of the best bands ever (if not the best), but c'mon... Is it material for repeated breaking news?

:confused:

obviously there are a lot of people excited about this. hence, it is always breaking news. i hope you understand the benefit of buying certain song for 99 cents as supposed to buying a whole cd :confused:

Caezar
Aug 28, 2007, 11:09 PM
Okay, I am the only one who is not excited but the Beatles addition to iTunes then. Sorry I poured cold water on you guys' enthusiam...

:D

wakerider017
Aug 28, 2007, 11:12 PM
Am I the only one to be tired to read about the imminent addition of the Beatles to iTunes?

I don't deny it is one of the best bands ever (if not the best), but c'mon... Is it material for repeated breaking news?

:confused:

+1

It may be a big deal (big money maker) for Apple, but it is really not a big deal for the end-user..

If an iPod owner wants the Beatles on their iPod, How hard is it to go out, buy a CD and upload it to their iTunes Library?

chippy chuke
Aug 28, 2007, 11:15 PM
as much as i would love to see wifi on my ipod i dont think that it is going to happen. but i am still hoping for the best

PJF13
Aug 28, 2007, 11:17 PM
"The Beat Goes On" is also the rumored title of Madonna's latest track that has leaked on the internet this week. It is my understanding that this album for her is largely produced by Timberland & Justin Timberlake and is VERY different for her. Think Rihanna meets Gwen Stafani sprinkled with the beats of Justin and Timberland. I've heard the track, it's pretty hot. Who knows...maybe this will tie in as well? Steve and Madonna have worked well together before....just a thought.

vkxonline
Aug 28, 2007, 11:18 PM
You CAN just rip The Beatles collection into itunes yourself. Im not sure what the big deal is.

wakerider017
Aug 28, 2007, 11:18 PM
Not cool that MacRumors is linking to a site that is NSFW....

I clicked on that KezNews site and it had pornographic images in the upper right... (I believe it was an adultfriendfinder ad with naked women) I think that link should be removed.

tingly
Aug 28, 2007, 11:20 PM
'Appleinsider notes that "The beat goes on." tag-line that appears on Apple's media invitation is likely a reference to the Beatles.'

or sonny and cher AT LAST!!!! heh

ipod=cher, nano=sonny ;)

donlphi
Aug 28, 2007, 11:21 PM
I hope they at least have FM tuners and bluetooth.
-=|Mgkwho

I guess I could sort of see a desire for an FM tuner, but I honestly don't see an iPOD getting an FM tuner ever. It's too retro for Apple. Like a touch screen rotary dial for the iPhone.

If I have an iPOD, I would think I have most of my favorite music with me. It would be nice to tune into a sporting event or talk radio though. The more I talk about it, the more it sounds like an "old man" feature.

As for bluetooth, I would rather Apple never create another bluetooth device again. They made the absolute WORST bluetooth headset for their iPhone. I don't think think I could imagine bluetooth headsets.

I also think the white earbuds have become a trademark of the iPod. You won't see an iPod with cordless earbuds for a while.

arn
Aug 28, 2007, 11:22 PM
Not cool that MacRumors is linking to a site that is NSFW....

I clicked on that KezNews site and it had pornographic images in the upper right... (I believe it was an adultfriendfinder ad with naked women) I think that link should be removed.

didn't realize. delinked.

arn

damienvfx
Aug 28, 2007, 11:22 PM
If the iTunes wireless shopping proves true, do you think we iPhone owners will see an update allowing us to as well? Or is at&t's contract likely to not let that happen?

Regardless, I really hope Steve Jobs does introduce ONE new feature for the iPhone after coming out with a device that will be very similiar and likely much less in cost to the consumer. (iChat would make me happy).

wakerider017
Aug 28, 2007, 11:24 PM
As for bluetooth, I would rather Apple never create another bluetooth device again. They made the absolute WORST bluetooth headset for their iPhone. I don't think think I could imagine bluetooth headsets.

Bluetooth is the future man...

Wouldn't it be nice to sync your iPod without ever plugging it in? Or maybe use your iPod as a remote?

didn't realize. delinked.

arn

Thanks!

ortuno2k
Aug 28, 2007, 11:26 PM
This is probably the first time I'm excited about new iPods.
This is going to be cool!

treblah
Aug 28, 2007, 11:28 PM
Bluetooth is the future man...

Wouldn't it be nice to sync your iPod without ever plugging it in? Or maybe use your iPod as a remote?

WiFi would be way faster to sync and AppleTV, Airport Express, TiVo, ect. have never used Bluetooth.

pamon
Aug 28, 2007, 11:29 PM
looked at the image and wondered why it was NSFW... then went onto their site....

What kind of tech news site has AFF ads on it?

I'd kill that mockup and their reference. Real tech news doesn't need AFF or adult ads to support it...

Completely am ok w/ adult or AFF ads on sites that go with the adult world but not with tech news...



didn't realize. delinked.

arn

coolfactor
Aug 28, 2007, 11:29 PM
They made the absolute WORST bluetooth headset for their iPhone.

That's the first time I've read that. Do you have one?

As for the iPods, I'm always excited about Apple Events, but not really excited about the designs I've seen so far. Apple has blown us away with amazing device designs lately. The 2G iPod shuffle, the 2G iPod nano, the iPhone. Who saw those coming? I find it funny that the 3G nano mockups I've seen use the older white plastic case. If anything, they'll use brushed aluminum.

MrSmith
Aug 28, 2007, 11:33 PM
Viz Hot Tip: Two new iPod Touches and some Cellotape make a wondeful alternative to a Nintendo DS.

Mgkwho
Aug 28, 2007, 11:38 PM
That's the first time I've read that. Do you have one?

Yeah, 'cause from what I hear the only thing it's missing is background-noise-canceling stuffthingys.

-=|Mgkwho

Analog Kid
Aug 28, 2007, 11:45 PM
Is it just me, or has every generation of iPods been preceded by a flood or rumors predicting WiFi/Bluetooth?

irun5k
Aug 28, 2007, 11:48 PM
I predict we'll just see a new $50 leather case, an update to the iPod Hi-Fi, and the full Beatles catalog on iTunes.

Of course, the Nano rumors *might* be accurate. This would allow the iPod Hi-Fi to be paired up with an iPod that is equally as ugly as it is.

Seriously, though- anyone actually own a Hi-Fi? I've never been able to figure out who would buy it with all the nice, clean 3rd party solutions out there. :confused:

Braz0s
Aug 28, 2007, 11:53 PM
I'm old enough to have bought all the Beatles on vinyl when they came out and bought again on cd's. What do I care about Beatles on itunes - not a whole lot. However there is a whole generation that does I'm sure.
Now if the download audio quality was better than vinyl or cd... Heck, who am I kidding - my hearing is shot :)

commander.data
Aug 28, 2007, 11:54 PM
I guess this will probably mean that OS 10.4.11 will be released before September 5. It'll probably be needed for drivers if WiFi or Bluetooth support is added to the iPod. Depending how full featured the iPod OS X is, 10.4.11 may add some networking, file sharing or app installing pathways.

It's been pointed out that the iPhone could make a PSP or Nintendo DS competitor if it wasn't so expensive. But with OS X iPods, Apple definitely has an affordable platform for light, portable gaming. I wonder what processor it'll use now that PortalPlayer has been bought by nVidia?

zap2
Aug 28, 2007, 11:54 PM
what ever it is, my wallet can't stomach it

:(

Is it just me, or has every generation of iPods been preceded by a flood or rumors predicting WiFi/Bluetooth?

Most of them...but now we have an music playing device by Apple, with both those things

GregA
Aug 28, 2007, 11:58 PM
that nano mock up is so fugly.

If the iPod Nano looks anything like the mock up, it's an abomination of design.

I'm unconvinced.

I like my sister's iPod (5g/video). If you keep the screen size the same, make it half the depth, and shorten the bottom, I'd like it even more. I'll look at it before I decide.

However.... I'm fairly confident that I'd rather have a touch screen iPod :)

puckhead193
Aug 29, 2007, 12:05 AM
the nano's are fugly but that mock up of the ipod looks pretty cool. Just looks like an iphone w/o the phone part..

Matthew Yohe
Aug 29, 2007, 12:06 AM
Beatles iPod maybe? Who knows, but I think the placement of an album's art in the invite is also quite telling...

Beastie Boys, Beatles...

Now, I know that the Joel Johnson, Sonic Youth, Flaming Lips etc wouldn't make sense (non alphabetic...) but I figure it's just a subtle hint, as "the beat goes on" is.

http://images.macrumors.com/article/2007/08/28/appleinvite_300.jpg

tingly
Aug 29, 2007, 12:16 AM
If Beatles are indeed imminent, I can't imagine "the beat goes on" is a Beatle reference (and incredibly obscure to boot), since it's really a Sonny and Cher song. If they wanted a Beatles clue, "come aboard" (all our friends are all aboard) woulda been more like it or "do you want to know a secret", "dig it", "getting better",… I'll be shocked if Beatles get announced. That oughta be more of an October/November thing.

cheunghy
Aug 29, 2007, 12:19 AM
Time for iTunes 8? :p

ChuckG
Aug 29, 2007, 12:32 AM
Adding the entire Beatles makes perfect sense given all the band's members' catalogs being added in the past weeks. There's also the imminent appearance of indie labels' catalogs as iTunes Plus.

As for the iPod lineup, seems like the Nano redesign will leave Apple with a pretty big market gap, given the awkward design. Who knows, maybe the shuffle will get a larger capacity or maybe the 2nd Gen Nano form factor will be kept as an entry model. After all, the added width is the main reason why there are many fatPod design dissenters.

As for the new iPod Touch, surely it will shake up iPod Games sales, due to the replacement of the click-wheel. Surely this will clarify and ignite things up for future iPhone/iPod Multitouch game development. The need for a single UI, makes me think the rim-based touch input patent will not be applied in this new iPod. ;)

Zwhaler
Aug 29, 2007, 12:36 AM
that nano mock up is so fugly.
I'm not too crazy about it either, I can't really imagine using an iPod with the wheel so close to the bottom of the iPod. We'll see...

I have never been this excited for an iPod release since the 3rd Generation came out.

Me too, I can't wait for this one. I'm just glad that it is finally coming.

celavato
Aug 29, 2007, 12:40 AM
Seriously, though- anyone actually own a Hi-Fi?

I have an iPod HiFi. I use it for my bedroom stereo and alarm clock. I like it a lot and think it sounds and looks great.

Cloudsurfer
Aug 29, 2007, 12:45 AM
I'm so looking forward to that fat nano! Have been dying for video on a low end iPod!

kungming2
Aug 29, 2007, 12:45 AM
As for the iPod lineup, seems like the Nano redesign will leave Apple with a pretty big market gap, given the awkward design. Who knows, maybe the shuffle will get a larger capacity or maybe the 2nd Gen Nano form factor will be kept as an entry model. After all, the added width is the main reason why there are many fatPod design dissenters.


Somehow I think that the fatPod is a replacement for the 5G iPod, which would then be moved down cheaper, with flash. The iPod Touch would then be top of the line, priced more than the fatPod. I guess the nano would be replaced by a different, as-yet-unseen iPod. That's just my ramblings. :rolleyes:

mjonson
Aug 29, 2007, 12:51 AM
Is it just me, or has every generation of iPods been preceded by a flood or rumors predicting WiFi/Bluetooth?

yah but the fact taht the ipods will perhaps now be running OSX they are slightly more likely to be true.

nagromme
Aug 29, 2007, 01:00 AM
iLounge seems awfully sure Apple would NEVER use such obviously "wrong" proportions for the new nano. I disagree: people said the same about the current video iPod--they said the new big screen looked all wrong in proportion or something. It's not "wrong"--it's DIFFERENT, and change always comes in the end :)

I find a nano like the mockup to be believable. Wider yes, maybe even larger in volume, but shorter and worth it for the screen.

Re wireless synching... I don't care :) I have to plug my iPod in to charge anyway. When I do, synching is automatic. And takes seconds--much shorter than even a partial recharge. So wireless synching would to little to improve my life (and would in fact shorten battery life). It's a fine option is anyone wants it, but I don't.

I WOULD use it for data transfer. (Just like I liked how the old Shuffle could transfer files with no cable.)

GregA
Aug 29, 2007, 01:05 AM
As for the iPod lineup, seems like the Nano redesign will leave Apple with a pretty big market gap, given the awkward design. Who knows, maybe the shuffle will get a larger capacity or maybe the 2nd Gen Nano form factor will be kept as an entry model.

I agree that if the wider iPod happens, there'll be a gap for a thinner Nano. However, the 8GB Nanos are out of stock in every shop in Sydney (not sure about the others), and I think either they are being EOL'd entirely, or there's something else we haven't seen yet.

Somehow I think that the fatPod is a replacement for the 5G iPod, which would then be moved down cheaper, with flash. The iPod Touch would then be top of the line, priced more than the fatPod. I guess the nano would be replaced by a different, as-yet-unseen iPod. That's just my ramblings. :rolleyes:
I guess they could keep the same screen size, and shorten the iPod Nano?

mrkramer
Aug 29, 2007, 01:05 AM
My prediction is that the shuffle will stay the same, an iPod with the Nano formfactor, possibly still called the Nano with a bump in capacity and that is it, the stubby iPod as a low end video ipod, 16 and 32GB capacities, and a high end iPod touch

AHDuke99
Aug 29, 2007, 01:06 AM
well i hope it drives up my stock in apple before the even. when apple announced the imac, the stock dropped the day after. i dunno if it'll have wifi though. apple may want to keep it simple. plus, adding wiFi would cut apple's sales of the iphone considerably. many people who dont have at&t would just opt to get a new ipod and forget the iphone. the ipod may gain an FM tuner. i certainly hope it does. but wifi on an MP3 player doesnt make any sense. then it becomes something more than an ipod. i just dont see that happening unless it's just to download on the itunes store on the ipod directly. full internet browsing makes no sense at all.

GregA
Aug 29, 2007, 01:08 AM
Re wireless synching... I don't care :) I have to plug my iPod in to charge anyway. When I do, synching is automatic. And takes seconds--much shorter than even a partial recharge. So wireless synching would to little to improve my life (and would in fact shorten battery life). It's a fine option is anyone wants it, but I don't.

I agree ... largely.
... Unless my iPod is going to live in a dock on top of my TV.
Then it would charge from the dock, and wirelessly sync to my iTunes.

And play video on my TV.

well i hope it drives up my stock in apple before
Read all our hopes on this board, and figure that investors are also reading our hopes - and you can guarantee that all our hopes will not be met.

So the price drives up before the event, and drops once everything is announced.

queshy
Aug 29, 2007, 01:12 AM
lol, I really hope Jobs doesn't say "our customers LOVE glossy screens, so the new iPod has a super-duper-reflective-glossy screen!". The current iPod screen isn't "glossy" but not matte either. I like it the way it is! Just make it bigger w/ touch and i'd probably buy it :)

poke4christ
Aug 29, 2007, 01:14 AM
I think that they'll try to pass off this new iPod touch thing as something different than the regular iPod and give it a higher price. I just don't think they'll sell this for 250-350 while selling the iPhone for 500-600. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if what is being called the new nano turns out to be the new "regular iPod", but these are just guesses based on pessimism. Can't wait though, would really like to finally get an MP3 player other than my 8125.

thespazz
Aug 29, 2007, 01:15 AM
It boggles my mind why people insist that Apple will increase the price of the iPod. It doesn't make sense economically to increase the price because people will be less inclined to pay for something more expensive. Whel re have we seen an iPod increase in price (save for an increase in storage with the previous generations)? I believe there will still be the $249/$349 price point.

As for wifi, doesn't make sense. That's a smartphone feature. Sure, include it so we can buy music from the iTMS and possibly control other devices, but don't get us internet access, that would no make sense.

Anywho, I'm looking forward to this release, I've been looking forward to it for three months now.

kungming2
Aug 29, 2007, 01:19 AM
Whel re have we seen an iPod increase in price (save for an increase in storage with the previous generations)?

When the iPod mini gave way to the iPod nano. originally, it was 4GB for $199, 6GB for $249. When the iPod nano came out, it was 2GB for $199, 4GB for $249.

If the form factor is cooler and there are better features, people are willing to pay for style/function.

mithun914
Aug 29, 2007, 01:23 AM
when steve announced the iphone, he talked about revolutions, as in the "click -wheel" which gave birth to the ipod, and mulitouch which gave birth to the iphone, so if u make the ipod mulititouch, wouldn't it take away from the reason of it's success aka the click wheel?

am not saying i don't what a multi touch ipod, but i don't understand y apple would do it, if it first of all cannibalizes iphone sales , and second , the ipod is a music/video player, and the click wheel is actually easy to use, and lots of ppl, though may be illegal in some places use it in their cars, they can use without looking because of the click wheel, would be hard to do that on a mulitouch screen

anzy can't wait for the 5 th :D

Dapole
Aug 29, 2007, 01:37 AM
when steve announced the iphone, he talked about revolutions, as in the "click -wheel" which gave birth to the ipod, and mulitouch which gave birth to the iphone, so if u make the ipod mulititouch, wouldn't it take away from the reason of it's success aka the click wheel?

am not saying i don't what a multi touch ipod, but i don't understand y apple would do it, if it first of all cannibalizes iphone sales , and second , the ipod is a music/video player, and the click wheel is actually easy to use, and lots of ppl, though may be illegal in some places use it in their cars, they can use without looking because of the click wheel, would be hard to do that on a mulitouch screen

anzy can't wait for the 5 th :D

I would have to agree, the multi-touch is a feature that will stay iphone only for a while. Apple would not want to undermine their iphone sales by inculding a large selling point on another (cheaper) product so quickly.

It would be nice if this event brought some hd itunes content, but i feel that it is going to be ipod only.

irun5k
Aug 29, 2007, 01:39 AM
I have an iPod HiFi. I use it for my bedroom stereo and alarm clock. I like it a lot and think it sounds and looks great.

That's cool- something for everyone :)

kenaustus
Aug 29, 2007, 01:39 AM
I'm in the camp that believes there will be an iPod with basically an iPhone touch screen display. The inclusion of OS X in the iPod basically requires more than the click wheel in order to use the various features the OS X based iPod could provide.

I also think that WiFi would be a great feature for selling the iPod. While a lot of people switched to ATT in order to get an iPhone there are stilla lot more than are stuck with their carrier for business reasons, or because ATT has poor service where they live.

There is also the factor of what Apple plans are for new features for the iPod/iPhone over the next two years, both in new software and in firmware upgrades. Keeping the two lines as close as possible lets them work on single platform development projects.

Regardless, it's going to be exciting to watch what Steve & Co come up with.

currentinterest
Aug 29, 2007, 01:50 AM
The new iPod, if it does support WiFi, will likely do it Apple TV style. It will have trailers, YouTube, and perhaps connect to one's computer(s) to iTunes. No Safari or email will be provided.

jmsait19
Aug 29, 2007, 01:52 AM
If the iPod looks anything like the mock up, it's going to be fookin' sexy.

If the iPod Nano looks anything like the mock up, it's an abomination of design.

I'll toast to that...

I haven't really ever been disappointed with any of Apple's designs... but if the iPod Nano looks anything like the mockup, it will make up for all these years...

jabu31
Aug 29, 2007, 01:54 AM
I knew it!!!!! I just thought ok let there be the MAc Event. Maybe there might be a separate event for a ipod release!?!?!? And i was right!!!!!!

Now i can just sit back and wish :rolleyes:

Hmmm I like the iphone/ipod mockup. I just like the capability of landscape and regular screen. Can you say more screen space!!!:eek:

THe idea of a built in wifi doesnt rock my boat. Seems awkward Butt he built in FM tuner that would be nice. I already got my current nano with the FM tuner. I like it but i hate the 3 miles of cords:mad:

A large capacity flash based ipod would be uber nice. But even smaller sizes would be ok. Just as long as the mockup design is sexy and the price is right. I really hated the price for the ipod photo $500 no thanks i would never do that again :mad:

Ill finally be able to update my ipod to something new and snazzy!!!!:rolleyes: I love getting the new ipod and selling the old ones. Gets me so many goggly looks from onlookers :eek::eek:

YAY and adding beatles would be the ultimate addition to the personal catalogs already available from the beatles band members. :D

mickeymikey
Aug 29, 2007, 02:06 AM
I would have to agree, the multi-touch is a feature that will stay iphone only for a while. Apple would not want to undermine their iphone sales by inculding a large selling point on another (cheaper) product so quickly.

I'm so tired of the cannibalization argument for not having a multi-touch iPod. You guys do realize that you can use the iPhone to make phone calls to other people, right? It's actually more than just a touch-screen music player.

Priced correctly, the products won't clash because of the scaling of features. The multi-touch cannibalization argument is like saying people won't buy the more expensive MacPro because they can get the same keyboard (interface as in multi-touch) on the cheaper iMac.

What, you mean premium products can share some of the same features as entry-level products, but they still do more? Hmmm, I might actually pay more for the premium product with more features and performance, even-though it does share some of those features with a less capable product.

Nah, I don't want to pay more for a Ferrari. I can get a Chevy with four wheels too.

Marx55
Aug 29, 2007, 02:11 AM
THE IMPORTANT THING:

iPods with full Mac OS X inside. No limitation. In other words, a true handheld computer. Now, image the ultimate presentation remote for Keynote and PowerPoint. We need tons.

kugino
Aug 29, 2007, 02:16 AM
it might be telling that the album cover comes right after the Beastie Boys to the left (as someone posted above)...but why is Keane just a few more to the left? what's the sorting preference there?

i certainly hope a widescreen ipod does surface...i've been ipod-less for a year now since i sold all my ipods in anticipation of the widescreen ipod last year!! :o we all know how that turned out...though i was planning on an iphone in january i really want a high capacity widescreen ipod right away. multitouch would be even better!

carlosoliva
Aug 29, 2007, 02:16 AM
It features _both_ Ringo Starr and Paul McCartney, I guess by no means this could be only by chance

koobcamuk
Aug 29, 2007, 02:29 AM
THE IMPORTANT THING:

iPods with full Mac OS X inside. No limitation. In other words, a true handheld computer. Now, image the ultimate presentation remote for Keynote and PowerPoint. We need tons.

I would be playing with it all the time and forget about my presentation... and by 'it' i mean the ipod. :rolleyes:

dalvin200
Aug 29, 2007, 02:35 AM
It features _both_ Ringo Starr and Paul McCartney, I guess by no means this could be only by chance

Ringo Starr?
So maybe now we can get Thomas the Tank Engine in UK iTMS!! :D

nlivo
Aug 29, 2007, 02:47 AM
it wont have wi-fi...if it did it would only be to broswe the iTunes store but it will definately have bluetooth.....i am 95% sure it will have bluetooth. i don't see why people want wireless headphones, to me thats just stupid. Bluetooth will be used to share your iPod library with other iPod's and also be able to browse other iPod's music. Lets say if two people went for a run and one person didn't want to listen to his/her music so the other guy just shared his music with the other person whilst running. bluetooth will definately happen!!! probably not for syncing though.

retroneo
Aug 29, 2007, 02:48 AM
Perhaps the new iPod will use Kleer http://www.kleer.com/ instead of Bluetooth for wireless headphones.

Why it could be:
1. Their US office is in Cupertino. (this is where Apple is)
2. Apple has said Bluetooth means both the iPod and headphones would have to be recharged regularly
3. Kleer gives 10x the battery life of Bluetooth.
4. Kleer has been suspiciously quiet with press releases this year.
5. Kleer is lossless transmission.
6. The only other device with it is http://www.rcajetstream.com/
And look when it ships! (September)
7. Thompson/RCA no longer has exclusive rights to it. (they had until Q3 2007)

propropro
Aug 29, 2007, 02:52 AM
As they say in 9to5mac.com: "That Coverflow screenshot [in the invite] is 480x320.".... :D

officerdick
Aug 29, 2007, 03:02 AM
I think we will se iTunes 8, other than a few aditions, it will be in Leopard design!

timmillwood
Aug 29, 2007, 03:32 AM
Perhaps the new iPod will use Kleer instead of Bluetooth for wireless headphones.

Why it could be:
1. They moved to Cupertino. (this is where Apple is)
2. Apple has said Bluetooth means both the iPod and headphones would have to be recharged regularly
3. Kleer gives 10x the battery life of Bluetooth.
4. Kleer has been suspiciously quiet with press releases this year.
5. Kleer is lossless transmission.
6. The only other device with it is http://www.rcajetstream.com/
And look when it ships!

Look at that cheesy video, thats why I would hate to live in LA!

thecritix
Aug 29, 2007, 03:41 AM
i think that the beat goes on, is just a reference to the ipod line continuing, and that the song played will be the jazz track by The Buddy Rich Big Band
'The Beat Goes On'

I could just see some little latin type figures (with those colours) dancing around the screen to that..

in other news, why would apple care about stealing iphone sales?

they will probably make more profit per ipod (cheaper and less components) than they will for the iphone?

(I could be wrong there) but if they sell an ipod at what $349 over there?
lets say they up it to $399.

ok i am wrong... lol

Architect4122
Aug 29, 2007, 03:43 AM
My two cents.

Apple is simple, sleek, and very genius. This update may very well be heavy on the software side.

My guess with the exception of the ever changing nano and shuffle, the iPod will remain relatively the same, the only innovation this time around will again be the click will. Instead of having the center button, the entire circle will be touch sensitive. This may easily allow for cover flow, for longer finger strokes and even room for two fingers if they have aloted a feature for that. Possibly one finger navigation and two fingers equal a button push. A tap at the upper portion of the circle highlights up one, and tap once on the lower half, highlights down one.

bennifer3000
Aug 29, 2007, 03:50 AM
Whatever new features are in the update better come in my next software update for the iPhone.

If not, hell to payyyyy!

F/reW/re
Aug 29, 2007, 04:28 AM
A friend if mine sendt me this image.. could it be it? Are the white headphones gone for good?

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/5783/ipodnanohg3.th.jpg (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ipodnanohg3.jpg)

Project
Aug 29, 2007, 04:47 AM
A friend if mine sendt me this image.. could it be it? Are the white headphones gone for good?

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/5783/ipodnanohg3.th.jpg (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ipodnanohg3.jpg)


Thats a fake.

Very interested to see what Apple does with the line of products now and just how far into the iPhone featureset the new iPods will encroach. Hopefully a lot, because the iPod competitors are not sitting still.

koobcamuk
Aug 29, 2007, 05:00 AM
It's been pointed out that the iPhone could make a PSP or Nintendo DS competitor if it wasn't so expensive. But with OS X iPods, Apple definitely has an affordable platform for light, portable gaming. I wonder what processor it'll use now that PortalPlayer has been bought by nVidia?

It can't beat my DS.

Spanna
Aug 29, 2007, 05:04 AM
I think that for the top of the line ipod, Apple will enable wireless connectivity between ipod and iphone. This way when you have your ipod and iphone together you could browse the ipods higher capacity media library with your iphone.

aswitcher
Aug 29, 2007, 05:09 AM
Touch, Wireless, 8-16GB, Black/Silver, advanced BT stereo headphones.

homeboy
Aug 29, 2007, 05:16 AM
Touch, Wireless, 8-16GB, Black/Silver, advanced BT stereo headphones.

Don't think so. The touch screen model will be the flag ship aka media device, and 8-16GB is far from enough to accommodate podcast, video pod casts, movies, music videos, pictures and music.

It will be hard drive based.

iShak
Aug 29, 2007, 05:19 AM
apparently, "the beat goes on" is the title of Madonna's upcoming song ...



*shrugs shoulders*

Shagrat
Aug 29, 2007, 05:19 AM
iPod Nano G5s next tuesday????

dalvin200
Aug 29, 2007, 05:21 AM
iPod Nano G5s next tuesday????

but the event is on a wednesday :p

XheartcoreboyX
Aug 29, 2007, 05:25 AM
I am sooo damn excited about the new ipods =D
im for sure getting the full sized ipod(i have a 8gb nano),i will just get it without even knowing anything about it's features,
it will come in (80 and 120gb??) well anyway will they both have the same size??
im REALLY curious to know! if so then i would buy the 120gb version.:rolleyes:

skinnylegs
Aug 29, 2007, 05:27 AM
FM tuners don't do much for me but if they throw an XM Radio tuner on that 'lil bugger I'm on it like white on rice!

Derwood
Aug 29, 2007, 05:29 AM
Well, that will roll round soon enough.

I doubt very much whether we will see anything that has the potential to canibalise iPhone sales. If there is wireless connectivity it will surely be limited to device pairing to facilitate iTunes content transfers. The most ambitious thing we'll see is the facility to utilise iPod and iPhone (w. firmware/software update) as a wireless remote for iTunes content across desktop and notebook macs and :apple:TV. I would love to see a fully tricked our OS X capable touchscreen iPod at the top-end of the product range but don't think this will happen.

When the news about the touchscreen iPhone tech first broke, I thought we'd be getting loads of cool stuff like stripped down versions of Garageband and iMovie tailored to take advantage of the new interface possibilities. No such luck.

Look at iPhone: I mean, really, what difference does it make if it's running OS X if you can't get to it.

BTW - I concur with the consensus about the new squat Nano. Not a design classic. Not by a long shot. Looks almost as bad as one of those old Creative Zen Micro's.

Derwood

zedsdead
Aug 29, 2007, 05:44 AM
A friend if mine sendt me this image.. could it be it? Are the white headphones gone for good?

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/5783/ipodnanohg3.th.jpg (http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ipodnanohg3.jpg)
You know, I really do not understand why the iPhone came with WHITE headphones...the design is silver and black. I want a black headset!

tenneriffe
Aug 29, 2007, 05:56 AM
Derwood's right - he generally is.

I'm living in Finland at the moment (that is in Europe - don't laugh, been asked before ;) ) but my home is Sydney Australia - my location is important for the point I am going to make - you guessed why I am sure.

The iPod is sold in exactly the same formats world wide, but no iPhone in either Euro nor Australiasia. I for one would plonk down $500US on a phoneless iphone i.e. a touch ipod with wi-fi etc etc

However, I would also do the same at this point for a iphone. There is no WAY in hell I will do it for BOTH. It is one or the other, and seeing I have a N73 as my phone if it IS the touch ipod with wi-fi they are delivering on the 5th - they have lost MY iphone money.

Think about it on a global scale - Europe/Australiasia is a big market for Apple - I don't know the figures but would be amazed if the market was not bigger than the US. If they release a wi-fi ipod now they would certainly canibalise iphone sales in these regions. No one would carry two devices that do the same thing, minus phone calls on one.

Half of me wants the wi-fi ipod, half of me dosen't - I want an iphone, but I also would love new wi-fi ipods on the 5th. I will be amazed if we see something like the iphone as an ipod prior to the global release of the iphone.

Respect

CaryMacGuy
Aug 29, 2007, 06:06 AM
At first, I was turned off by that design of the iPod Nano, but when I saw it in Silver, I thought that it looked pretty cool. I think it was seeing Coverflow on it that did it for me. I also think that it is those rumored colors that suck. PLEASE STEVE be reading these forums and design your product accordingly. This is what the people want.


As for the standard iPod, I think that the mockup too closely resembles the iPhone. It is my opinion that Apple is going to want to keep those too devices very seperate. However, as always we may all be totally off as to what good Steve has in store (no pun intended) for us. He kinda has this way of blowing away Apple enthusiasts and the general public for that matter.

headfuzz
Aug 29, 2007, 06:12 AM
that nano mock up is so fugly.

Couldn't have put it better myself. ftl.

jeremyrader
Aug 29, 2007, 06:12 AM
Beatles Tapes III: The 1964 World Tour

Track 15 - "September 5, 1964"

Anyone know the name of the song? where it was recorded?

I'm finally doing the education special thing - picking up an iMac, printer and 30GB iPod this week for the wife. Even if these new alleged iPods are eligible for the deal, it's not enough to make me wait a week in the hopes of getting the latest and greatest...

If the shrunken iPod is the new iPod, my wife doesn't like it. She'd rather have the current one. Can't really justify the cost of the rumored iPod touch either at this point. Maybe when the youngest kids are a little older. I'm sure my 17 year old will want one though...

If it is indeed the new Nano, I'll be picking up a refurb 2nd gen before they're all gone. My 1st gen has had enough!

And I don't see how a touchPod would cannibalize iPhone sales. It's like saying the Nano cannibalizes full-sized iPod sales, (it has nearly all the same features!!!), or the Shuffle cannibalizes Nano sales. Or the MacBook cannibalizes MBP sales.

Muzzway
Aug 29, 2007, 06:20 AM
Like many people, I'm not too fond of the iPod nano mockups. Perhaps these "nanos" will really replace the current iPod, while the current nanos will remain and the iPod touch will be introduced. (sorry if this has been suggested before)

alexeismertin
Aug 29, 2007, 06:21 AM
The best contribution the beatles can make to the ipod is YELLOW like their submarine.

thisonechance
Aug 29, 2007, 06:23 AM
One word... wOOt.

Wireless iTunes browsing would be a great feature. Bring this to both the new iPod and iPhone and I will be one happy camper.

Loge
Aug 29, 2007, 06:28 AM
I think the 6G will have widescreen, touch based new interface, larger HDD, usable calendar/address book. Remember it's nearly 2 years since the 5G.

WiFi, BT, probably not.

FM Radio, not a hope - Does SJ even know what that is?

MrCrowbar
Aug 29, 2007, 06:37 AM
If they do a touchscreen version, a way to search like in iTunes would be great. I never use my iPod when my Mac is close because it's a real PITA to find a specific song witht the clickwheel. They even crippled the iPhone and removed the search for tunes completely :(

ju5tin81
Aug 29, 2007, 06:41 AM
I hope this is it! The actual full screen iPod we've been wanting...

But,

I hope it doesn't go down the iPod Photo route... Everyone wanted a colour screen, and we got it! On the top of the line, £100 more, expensive one... That just made the mono pods look, well, old tech...

Make the full screen one across the whole double digit GB iPod line please Apple, not just another on top of what we have.

My 40GB 3rd Gen is sitting in his little clip case (Remember when they came with all the accessories!) looking nervous that he's about to be replaced....
;)

Darkroom
Aug 29, 2007, 06:49 AM
wifi ipods would be great... if not for an included safari browser, then for an ipod compatible iTunes store... and and FM tuner would be just great, but it would be even more amazing to be able to listen to live streaming net radio via wifi?!

johnmcboston
Aug 29, 2007, 06:51 AM
Like many people, I'm not too fond of the iPod nano mockups.

You got that right. We have so many folks here drooling for a portable TV, while those of us who want a small music player seem to be pushed to the wayside. I'm hoping that short squat thing is the new ipod, not the nano. (of course, this depends on how well the current nano is selling). If it is a new ipod, then the touch screen thinggie would be a 4th addition to the line, and fine for those video junkies...

rockthecasbah
Aug 29, 2007, 07:08 AM
This stubby Nano is absolutely disgusting looking in the mock ups, but in real life it probably looks much better, but i'm not convinced this is the update for the Nano as much as it is for the iPod Video... I can see Apple breaking up their product line again like they did with the Photo iPods, creating a new flagship (Touch-based) and this to be what the current video is... Then the Nano may have some other style updates or merely capacity bumps. The Nano has built popularity for being tiny, this would destroy all of that and the exercise workout niche they built with the Nike hookup.

Chupa Chupa
Aug 29, 2007, 07:08 AM
One would enable iPods to act as a remote and control playlists by queuing a song from the iTunes data file, instead of streaming the file. The other method is using AirTunes, by streaming the MP3 files.


If true, I hope this means a visible resurgence in Airtunes, including a new 802.11n Airport Express w/ Airtunes. I'd love to go over to the "n" side but I'm to reliant on Airtunes. I had thought Apple all but abandoned Airtunes. The mention of it in a rumor report is nice. Hope it becomes reality.

macintel4me
Aug 29, 2007, 07:12 AM
Perhaps the new iPod will use Kleer instead of Bluetooth for wireless headphones.

Why it could be:
1. They moved to Cupertino. (this is where Apple is)
2. Apple has said Bluetooth means both the iPod and headphones would have to be recharged regularly
3. Kleer gives 10x the battery life of Bluetooth.
4. Kleer has been suspiciously quiet with press releases this year.
5. Kleer is lossless transmission.
6. The only other device with it is http://www.rcajetstream.com/
And look when it ships!
I soooo want that. Integrate that with an all-in-one iPod-Nike system and I'll pay good money for that.

surferfromuk
Aug 29, 2007, 07:13 AM
Speculative Algebra ;

A - Coverflow = OSX

B - OSX = Touchscreen + Widescreen + Wi-fi

C - $399 Touchscreen OSX Ipod with Safari over Wi-FI

If A+B=C then I and everyone I know has just ordered a new Ipod...

Here is my credit card. When will it arrive, dammit!!

DrMoray
Aug 29, 2007, 07:28 AM
I could be tempted by an iPod that had FM and recording ability. The Beatles, of course, is very welcome news. I think I could buy a "Yellow Submarine" iPod. It would be fun.

dalvin200
Aug 29, 2007, 07:29 AM
[QUOTE=DrMoray;4106570I think I could buy a "Yellow Submarine" iPod. It would be fun.[/QUOTE]

only if it was waterproof :D

zoozx
Aug 29, 2007, 07:33 AM
Has there any been any discussion on a wireless headset / earphones?

That would be the biggest improvement for anyone using them while being active.
That wire is a pain in the A.:(

Cloudane
Aug 29, 2007, 07:34 AM
Loving the look and idea of the mockup Touch iPod. I'd get one, so long as the price doesn't go silly (I quite like the £200ish of the current model, much more wouldn't be worth it just yet as my 3G works just fine)

Can't see why everyone obsesses over Wifi, it's slow and how difficult is it to put the iPod in its stand anyway? (you need to do so anyway to charge it?)

Don't like the new Nano mockup. Fugly fugly fugly. If I wanted one, I'd buy the old model - the whole idea IMO is that it's sleek and tiny, not this fat thing!

Killyp
Aug 29, 2007, 07:42 AM
Has there any been any discussion on a wireless headset / earphones?

That would be the biggest improvement for anyone using them while being active.
That wire is a pain in the A.:(

Wireless headsets sound dreadful. Apple would be bringing themselves to a new low to expect you to listen to music through a wireless headset.

RE: That mockup a few posts back, it's a fake. I can absolutely guarantee you that, for a reason.

chewy5000
Aug 29, 2007, 07:45 AM
That invitation album art sits between keane and mika. whoever said madonna is probably right

stcroixsailor
Aug 29, 2007, 07:49 AM
You got that right. We have so many folks here drooling for a portable TV, while those of us who want a small music player seem to be pushed to the wayside. I'm hoping that short squat thing is the new ipod, not the nano. (of course, this depends on how well the current nano is selling). If it is a new ipod, then the touch screen thinggie would be a 4th addition to the line, and fine for those video junkies...

...what if the ipod nano dimensions are right but instead of a click wheel, it's got a touch screen. i don't think apple would keep a 'degraded' UI.

Beatles- I want this sooo bad-i'm a huge beatles fan, but i have to buy it at borders-and they don't have the greatest selection.

Evangelion
Aug 29, 2007, 07:58 AM
That invitation album art sits between keane and mika. whoever said madonna is probably right

It sits between Beastie Boys and Mika. By that logic, it could be Beatles. But then again: the albums are not in alphabetical order in the invitation.

iJon
Aug 29, 2007, 08:06 AM
Oh how I wish Apple would allow for WiFi Airtunes over the iPod and iPhone. Give me that feature and I'll be one happy camper.

jon

kavika411
Aug 29, 2007, 08:11 AM
I bet anyone a donut that on Tuesday they release bluetooth stereo headphones for iPod and iPhone.

Markabre
Aug 29, 2007, 08:13 AM
It would have been cleverer if:

the album on the left was by "The The" (a real band but a little hard to google due to thier name)

the album in the middle was the "The Beat goes on" picture

and then the album on the right was by Eels

;)

acrafton
Aug 29, 2007, 08:18 AM
of the last month or so who bought an IPhone (I am guessing) and then mocked the idea that Apple would release a touchscreen IPod within a few months (as many on the boards predicted)? They generally said, "Apple already has a touch/wide screen IPod. . .it is called the IPhone". Ha.

Now that it is all but obvious this will happen next week. . .will be interesting to hear their thoughts. Many of the same folks dismissed the idea that a new IPhone will be avail by Christmas because "Apple doesn't want to offend early adopters" (meaning them). Wrong. Apple wants to sell stuff. . .look for a new (higher capacity IPhone by Christmas).

Bring on the touch/wide screen IPods!!

mrkramer
Aug 29, 2007, 08:25 AM
in other news, why would apple care about stealing iphone sales?

they will probably make more profit per ipod (cheaper and less components) than they will for the iphone?

they may make more on the device itself but they share minthly fees, which while we don't know the full ammount probably add up to at least the price of the phone over the two years, so for every iPod bought instead of an iPhone Apple loses several hundred in profit that would have come from the iPhone

whippersnapper
Aug 29, 2007, 08:31 AM
The fugly new nano is in fact the revved iPod with video now sporting an OSX variant with coverflow etc... This allows a full size iPod with plenty of hard disk space up to 120GB.

The Ipod Touch will be flash based and priced at a premium (guess $499 for 32GB, $399 for 16) so as not to cannibalize iPhone sales unnecessarily

iTunes 8 will be announced which will feature 720p content for the first time. At the Cupertino special event, Apple answered in reply to a question about Apple TV that an announcement was coming soon. I suspect that Apple TV sales have been slower than anticipated and that HD content is thought to be needed to make the device more compelling

My $0.02.

wjdennen
Aug 29, 2007, 08:32 AM
Ah ha!

http://www.amazon.com/Beat-Goes-Best-Sonny-Cher/dp/B000002JOV

jruc4871
Aug 29, 2007, 08:32 AM
of the last month or so who bought an IPhone (I am guessing) and then mocked the idea that Apple would release a touchscreen IPod within a few months (as many on the boards predicted)? They generally said, "Apple already has a touch/wide screen IPod. . .it is called the IPhone". Ha.

Now that it is all but obvious this will happen next week. . .will be interesting to hear their thoughts. Many of the same folks dismissed the idea that a new IPhone will be avail by Christmas because "Apple doesn't want to offend early adopters" (meaning them). Wrong. Apple wants to sell stuff. . .look for a new (higher capacity IPhone by Christmas).

Bring on the touch/wide screen IPods!!

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Many on these boards who think they know what will be released based on conventional wisdom are often left with a big WTF?.

jfmartin
Aug 29, 2007, 08:32 AM
Hi,

Well, here we go again ! Let's see what's in store next week from Apple and why.

Some Facts:

the iPod line is missing simple features that are available on nearly all competitors: FM tuner, real equalizer, full screen viewing (except the iPhone !)
Apple is the only one able to have a very interresting combination of an online music store and the MP3 players because it owns both !
OS X is really the best peace of software that Apple has done, is available on the Mac, iPhone, Apple TV...
Doing OS X for the iPod is a done job ! currently, the best iPod is the... iPhone ! Current owners are doing the largest beta testing of all time of the future OS X based iPod since june 29th !!!
The top of the line iPod is essentially a 2 years old design
The current form factor of the 5.5 gen iPod is a cultural icon (in the US at least !)
The current iPod lineup is very narrow in choice and the franchise is in need to expand (marketingnly speaking)
Apple needs to keep the momentum of the iPod sales by making a big announcement... they cannot wait any longer to introduce a full screen iPod...
Having iPod with touch screen will have an halo effect on the iPhone sales by further putting technology awareness in the marketplace
Steve Jobs told employees that they are working on OS X based iPod during an internal Apple invent when he announce the iPhone giveaway
Steeve Jobs said during the aug 9th Q&A sessions that he was not willing to talk about the Apple TV but we would would see some news soon
During the last quarter statement, the CFO said that for the sept quarter, profits would be smaller to account for product transitions...



So, based on that and other things, here is the next iPods line-up:

Shuffle

Will come down in price
No other change
Wearability of this iPod is very clever marketing and need to stay
Pricing: 59$ (20$ cheaper)


Nano

Will come down in price
Need to stay in the lineup, entry-level iPod with a screen
We may see capacity increase but with the pricing going done on this, it will only make room for another iPod line
FM tuner included
Updated iPod OS
Click wheel
Pricing: 119$ 2G (30$ cheaper), 149$ 4G (50$ cheaper), 199$ 8G (50$ cheaper)


Mini

Apple cannot let go the current 5.5 gen iPod form factor... this is a technological icon... but, Apple can change the name and re-introduce the mini line...
new GUI but may be based on the current 5.5 gen iPod
all flash based: 8 and 16 gigs in size
very thin and sexy, same back of the current 5.5 gen iPod
click wheel
same 2.5 inch screen of the current 5.5 gen iPod
FM tuner
Available now
Pricing: 249$ for 8G, 299$ for 16G


iPod


What people refer to the iPod touch
New form factor: look for aluminum, glass, black... inspired with the iPhone and current iMac
HD based: 30, 60, 120 gigs
OS X based
iPhone interface with touch
Wi-Fi
Pricing: 299$ for 30G, 349$ for 80G, 449$ for 120G


Common features of the new iPod mini and iPod 6G


Notes
The iPod mini will be more like a 6G iPod
The iPod with touch will be the new star of the family

The Keynote will be like this


Welcome message
Recap of the current state of the "iPod nation"

Now, Beatles on the iTunes
Now, Movies rental service
Apple TV update : iTunes available from Apple TV


Recap of the current lineup
What can be improved on the software side: equalizer, songs lyrics, karaoke,updated calender and to-dos, clocks

Let start by the entry level...
Now, the nanos... bring the price down, tweak it a little bit

What others are doing ?
Now, what's missing ?
How can Apple can contribute to fix problems...
What can be improved on the hardware side ^

Now, the iPod mini return !
Can we bring the iPhone experience to a wider audience ?
Introducing the new iPod
iTunes available from the new iPod with wi-fi

One more thing

All current 5 gen iPod owner will be able to perform an OS upgrade (not clear if iPod OS 2.0 ou OS X without touch interface)
iTunes 7.5 (or 8.0)

Thank you all for coming.

A weel informed guy.

jfmartin
Aug 29, 2007, 08:35 AM
The fugly new nano is in fact the revved iPod with video now sporting an OSX variant with coverflow etc... This allows a full size iPod with plenty of hard disk space up to 120GB.

The Ipod Touch will be flash based and priced at a premium (guess $499 for 32GB, $399 for 16) so as not to cannibalize iPhone sales unnecessarily

iTunes 8 will be announced which will feature 720p content for the first time. At the Cupertino special event, Apple answered in reply to a question about Apple TV that an announcement was coming soon. I suspect that Apple TV sales have been slower than anticipated and that HD content is thought to be needed to make the device more compelling

My $0.02.

The iPod touch will be HD based...

You're right... the Apple TV will see quite a few new functionnality via a software update and the new iTunes...

network23
Aug 29, 2007, 08:41 AM
it might be telling that the album cover comes right after the Beastie Boys to the left (as someone posted above)...but why is Keane just a few more to the left? what's the sorting preference there?

i certainly hope a widescreen ipod does surface...i've been ipod-less for a year now since i sold all my ipods in anticipation of the widescreen ipod last year!! :o we all know how that turned out...though i was planning on an iphone in january i really want a high capacity widescreen ipod right away. multitouch would be even better!

I'm not a fan of the Beastie Boys (and therefore did not recognize their album cover), but I did note that that cover did show BEA, and the rest was obscured and the artwork was very reminicient of the 60's "Yellow Submarine" style. I knew that cover was not Yellow Submarine, but I did notice the similarities in style.

strangelogic
Aug 29, 2007, 08:44 AM
Am I the only one to be tired to read about the imminent addition of the Beatles to iTunes?

I don't deny it is one of the best bands ever (if not the best), but c'mon... Is it material for repeated breaking news?

:confused:

I don't think it was the main subject of this news. I don't really care about The Beatles on iTunes either, but - it's critical to point out the linkage to this media event, because it could very well be that the ONLY THING they are announcing is the addition of the Beatles catalogue to the iTunes store. Considering the company was named after the Beatles record label it is extremely important to SJ.

btw - I don't honestly believe this event is just about the Beatles. But...

sneakyh
Aug 29, 2007, 08:45 AM
Hi,

Well, here we go again ! Let's see what's in store next week from Apple and why.

Some Facts:

the iPod line is missing simple features that are available on nearly all competitors: FM tuner, real equalizer, full screen viewing (except the iPhone !)
Apple is the only one able to have a very interresting combination of an online music store and the MP3 players because it owns both !
OS X is really the best peace of software that Apple has done, is available on the Mac, iPhone, Apple TV...
Doing OS X for the iPod is a done job ! currently, the best iPod is the... iPhone ! Current owners are doing the largest beta testing of all time of the future OS X based iPod since june 29th !!!
The top of the line iPod is essentially a 2 years old design
The current form factor of the 5.5 gen iPod is a cultural icon (in the US at least !)
The current iPod lineup is very narrow in choice and the franchise is in need to expand (marketingnly speaking)
Apple needs to keep the momentum of the iPod sales by making a big announcement... they cannot wait any longer to introduce a full screen iPod...
Having iPod with touch screen will have an halo effect on the iPhone sales by further putting technology awareness in the marketplace
Steve Jobs told employees that they are working on OS X based iPod during an internal Apple invent when he announce the iPhone giveaway
Steeve Jobs said during the aug 9th Q&A sessions that he was not willing to talk about the Apple TV but we would would see some news soon
During the last quarter statement, the CFO said that for the sept quarter, profits would be smaller to account for product transitions...



So, based on that and other things, here is the next iPods line-up:

Shuffle

Will come down in price
No other change
Wearability of this iPod is very clever marketing and need to stay
Pricing: 59$ (20$ cheaper)


Nano

Will come down in price
Need to stay in the lineup, entry-level iPod with a screen
We may see capacity increase but with the pricing going done on this, it will only make room for another iPod line
FM tuner included
Updated iPod OS
Click wheel
Pricing: 119$ 2G (30$ cheaper), 149$ 4G (50$ cheaper), 199$ 8G (50$ cheaper)


Mini

Apple cannot let go the current 5.5 gen iPod form factor... this is a technological icon... but, Apple can change the name and re-introduce the mini line...
new GUI but may be based on the current 5.5 gen iPod
all flash based: 8 and 16 gigs in size
very thin and sexy, same back of the current 5.5 gen iPod
click wheel
same 2.5 inch screen of the current 5.5 gen iPod
FM tuner
Available now
Pricing: 249$ for 8G, 299$ for 16G


iPod


What people refer to the iPod touch
New form factor: look for aluminum, glass, black... inspired with the iPhone and current iMac
HD based: 30, 60, 120 gigs
OS X based
iPhone interface with touch
Wi-Fi
Pricing: 299$ for 30G, 349$ for 80G, 449$ for 120G


Common features of the new iPod mini and iPod 6G


Notes
The iPod mini will be more like a 6G iPod
The iPod with touch will be the new star of the family

The Keynote will be like this


Welcome message
Recap of the current state of the "iPod nation"

Now, Beatles on the iTunes
Now, Movies rental service
Apple TV update : iTunes available from Apple TV


Recap of the current lineup
What can be improved on the software side: equalizer, songs lyrics, karaoke,updated calender and to-dos, clocks

Let start by the entry level...
Now, the nanos... bring the price down, tweak it a little bit

What others are doing ?
Now, what's missing ?
How can Apple can contribute to fix problems...
What can be improved on the hardware side ^

Now, the iPod mini return !
Can we bring the iPhone experience to a wider audience ?
Introducing the new iPod
iTunes available from the new iPod with wi-fi

One more thing

All current 5 gen iPod owner will be able to perform an OS upgrade (not clear if iPod OS 2.0 ou OS X without touch interface)
iTunes 7.5 (or 8.0)

Thank you all for coming.

A weel informed guy.

I expect you are very close. The shuffle may also get a 2 gig version. And the new iPod mini will probably get the new 5.5 gen iPod form factor, but slightly smaller and shorter, as indicted in the mock-ups. The new 'touch' ipod will have wifi and will maybe work with Apple TV in some way.

macintel4me
Aug 29, 2007, 08:46 AM
I am still not clear that iPod sales would eat into iPhone sales or vice versa.

There is a big difference between WiFi vs "always connected".
There is a big difference between 80GB-160GB vs 4GB-8GB.

I could see people buying both, but never one instead of the other.

network23
Aug 29, 2007, 08:49 AM
only if it was waterproof :D

OMG, that would be hilarious!!! and an excellent idea! To promote the availability of the Beatles catalong on iTunes, Apple offers a special bright yellow waterproof iPod with the entire Beatles catalog.

That would rock and I would definitely strongly consider that, even though I'm not a Beatles fanatic. (I like them a lot, but have never bought a Beatles album from anywhere other than garage sales and stuff).

PharmD
Aug 29, 2007, 08:59 AM
Another poster said this before but I'll reiterate. I sincerely hope that whatever Apple adds to the iPod that the iPhone does not have, they enable in the iPhone via software update. It would just be wrong if the new iPod had wifi access to iTunes and the iPhone did not.

Squonk
Aug 29, 2007, 09:02 AM
new iPod socks.

We're *due*!

And maybe an iPhone sock as well! :D

Analog Kid
Aug 29, 2007, 09:03 AM
If Beatles are indeed imminent, I can't imagine "the beat goes on" is a Beatle reference (and incredibly obscure to boot), since it's really a Sonny and Cher song. If they wanted a Beatles clue, "come aboard" (all our friends are all aboard) woulda been more like it or "do you want to know a secret", "dig it", "getting better",… I'll be shocked if Beatles get announced. That oughta be more of an October/November thing.
Or how about "We buried Paul"...
when steve announced the iphone, he talked about revolutions, as in the "click -wheel" which gave birth to the ipod, and mulitouch which gave birth to the iphone, so if u make the ipod mulititouch, wouldn't it take away from the reason of it's success aka the click wheel?

am not saying i don't what a multi touch ipod, but i don't understand y apple would do it, if it first of all cannibalizes iphone sales , and second , the ipod is a music/video player, and the click wheel is actually easy to use, and lots of ppl, though may be illegal in some places use it in their cars, they can use without looking because of the click wheel, would be hard to do that on a mulitouch screen

anzy can't wait for the 5 th :D
As the iPod menus get deeper, the click wheel is getting harder to use. It was great in its time, but I'm ready for a new easy-to-use interface.
OMG, that would be hilarious!!! and an excellent idea! To promote the availability of the Beatles catalong on iTunes, Apple offers a special bright yellow waterproof iPod with the entire Beatles catalog.

Somehow I think a "White Album" iPod would be more likely than a "Yellow Submarine" version... ;)

Thomas2006
Aug 29, 2007, 09:09 AM
When there is a special event centered around the iPod there are items that can be discussed:

Report - The usual board meeting keynote concerning the past, present, and future.
iPods - Obviously, updated models and functionality. Besides larger capacities I see the iPod nano with a bigger screen supporting video and the full size iPods getting touch screen and wireless capability which will require an AirPort Express with AirTunes. We will be able to update the iPod wirelessly, remote control the Apple TV, listen to shared libraries, and stream music from the iPod itself. I do not see us being able to purchase from, or even browse, the iTunes Store wirelessly, nor any other web related activities.
iTunes - iTunes 8.0 which will be needed to support the functionality in the new iPods.
iTunes Store - New content available for sale or content now available for sale to non-US iTunes Stores.
iPod Hi-Fi - This could get built-in wireless so we can stream music to it without needing an AirPort Express with AirTunes. We will also be able to stream music from the new iPods, but we might need to mount the iPod first so it will know which iPods' music to play.
Apple TV - This will get a simple update that will allow the iPod to control it.
iPhone - This will also get a simple update to support remote control functionality and maybe a new menu button to activate the remote's display.

Out of all the possible updates I listed, the wireless iPod Hi-Fi is the one that interests me the most because my iTunes library is mostly music with a few videos and no TV shows or movies.

mike dunx
Aug 29, 2007, 09:10 AM
wiiiiiifiiiiiiii




let's go wifindin' dude!

wolfpackfan
Aug 29, 2007, 09:14 AM
I keep reading here about FM tuners. Folks, Apple doesn't want you to use the iPod to listen to free FM radio. They want you to use the iPod to listen to music that you purchase from the iTunes store. It doesn't matter if other brands have FM radios included. Apple doesn't respond to features that other brands offer, they offer features that drive the market for others to copy. I've had many mp3 players, some with FM Radios. Did I ever use the FM Radio? NO. Every since I got my first iPod, that's all I've used (or needed) and a good reason for that is due to the content I've purchased thru iTunes.

One other thing - I really think that we can take away from the theme of the announcement "The Beat Goes On" what will be announced. The new models are still very much media players, not iPhones without the phone part. If they were going to offer WiFi, Safari, email, etc. on the top of the line unit, I think there would be a much more broad theme.

I predict Shuffle staying as is. A new Nano that is similar to the one that people keep saying is so ugly. A new iPod (Touch) that is similar in look and feel to the iPhone but only includes the iPod and Photo features. It might include a camera and it might include BT for wireless sync, who knows. But no WiFi, no Safari, no Email, etc.

Just my opinion. Take it for what it's worth.

zoozx
Aug 29, 2007, 09:15 AM
[QUOTE=Killyp;4106600]Wireless headsets sound dreadful. Apple would be bringing themselves to a new low to expect you to listen to music through a wireless headset.

You have no idea what you are talking about!
There are some fantastic Wireless headsets available. It may not be technically possible for use with an ipod, but great wireless headsets for music are available.

jfmartin
Aug 29, 2007, 09:18 AM
I expect you are very close. The shuffle may also get a 2 gig version. And the new iPod mini will probably get the new 5.5 gen iPod form factor, but slightly smaller and shorter, as indicted in the mock-ups. The new 'touch' ipod will have wifi and will maybe work with Apple TV in some way.

Well, the Apple TV is an OS X based iPod !!! Why make them work together ? There is not point in doing so...

Apple will make the iTunes store available on the Apple TV at some point, next week ? Why not ? If there is a iPod with wi-fi, same apply here, iTunes will be available wirelessly... this would be a very cool user experience and nobody has come close to offer the same kind of thing in the market...

Oh, by the way.. .ringtones on the iPhone to and iTunes from the iPhone too !

Next week, we'll see quite a few surprise... good ones !

ds252
Aug 29, 2007, 09:22 AM
I don't know if this has been asked but i'm just wondering if there is going to be a home button like the iphone or is all going to be touch screen. Or is this still unknown.

Thank you.

j-a-x
Aug 29, 2007, 09:31 AM
The touch iPod looks so cool, Zune won't have a chance against that thing. They copied the current iPods pretty well, but now MS will have to go back to the drawing boards. Go Apple!

What would be really cool is if this thing would have all of the functionality of the iPhone besides the phone part. Then I could browse the web on it while listening to music if there happened to be WiFi access and I was bored (for example, in a shopping mall).

hayesk
Aug 29, 2007, 09:35 AM
Think Rihanna meets Gwen Stafani sprinkled with the beats of Justin and Timberland.

Wow, I can't think of anything more awful. Don't people like actual music anymore? It's all this overproduced music-style product these days.

I guess I'm getting old.

pacohaas
Aug 29, 2007, 09:38 AM
I have never been this excited for an iPod release since the 3rd Generation came out.
that sentence contradicts itself. I think you mean, "I haven't been this excited...since the 3rd generation came out."

anim8or
Aug 29, 2007, 09:42 AM
Has anyone thought about the fact that apple have a very good input device in existance that may be utilised in a non touch screen capacity but works in a similar way...... the trackpad

The new ipod nano could use a trackpad similar to that on macbooks/macbook pros.....

It may seem like a step back in terms of the touch screen etec but to differentiate between the iphone/ipod touch, this could be a solution.

Im not saying it has to be round like the click wheel either, it could be on a 1:1 scal with the nano screen allowing the user to treat it like their laptop track pad???

Just a thought?:o

gonnabuyamac
Aug 29, 2007, 09:43 AM
I don't know if this has been asked but i'm just wondering if there is going to be a home button like the iphone or is all going to be touch screen. Or is this still unknown.

Thank you.

I would say it's pretty much all unknown really.

Thomas2006
Aug 29, 2007, 09:43 AM
Hi,

Well, here we go again ! Let's see what's in store next week from Apple and why.
I am going to have to disagree with you on Apple selling a nano and a mini because they are too close to differentiate. Without the hard drive the mini can be just as small as the nano so what would Apple do with the extra "wasted" space? I think the nano will get video support while keeping the click-wheel, the size of the nano will stay the same, but the screen will get bigger so you will have to turn the nano sideways to watch video.

Iced Angel
Aug 29, 2007, 09:46 AM
oh no ... :( I just got a nano 4g with my student promo 2 days ago ... i can't believe there is an upgrade in next 8 days ... is there any chance for upgrade?

I thought they're going to introduce the new iPods after Sep 16th

R303blue
Aug 29, 2007, 09:48 AM
And I wouldn't even consider the 'best band ever.' Such over-hype garbage (not to say I don't like them, but... come on!) And 'The Beat Goes On' was like a Sonny & Cher song wasn't it? Who knows, who cares. :rolleyes:

Give me a friggin sexy ipod with wifi and wide screen goodness, and be prepared for the fallout about the fugly Nano if it ends up looking like this.


Am I the only one to be tired to read about the imminent addition of the Beatles to iTunes?

I don't deny it is one of the best bands ever (if not the best), but c'mon... Is it material for repeated breaking news?

:confused:

Stang68
Aug 29, 2007, 09:51 AM
Hi,

Well, here we go again ! Let's see what's in store next week from Apple and why.

Some Facts:

the iPod line is missing simple features that are available on nearly all competitors: FM tuner, real equalizer, full screen viewing (except the iPhone !)
Apple is the only one able to have a very interresting combination of an online music store and the MP3 players because it owns both !
OS X is really the best peace of software that Apple has done, is available on the Mac, iPhone, Apple TV...
Doing OS X for the iPod is a done job ! currently, the best iPod is the... iPhone ! Current owners are doing the largest beta testing of all time of the future OS X based iPod since june 29th !!!
The top of the line iPod is essentially a 2 years old design
The current form factor of the 5.5 gen iPod is a cultural icon (in the US at least !)
The current iPod lineup is very narrow in choice and the franchise is in need to expand (marketingnly speaking)
Apple needs to keep the momentum of the iPod sales by making a big announcement... they cannot wait any longer to introduce a full screen iPod...
Having iPod with touch screen will have an halo effect on the iPhone sales by further putting technology awareness in the marketplace
Steve Jobs told employees that they are working on OS X based iPod during an internal Apple invent when he announce the iPhone giveaway
Steeve Jobs said during the aug 9th Q&A sessions that he was not willing to talk about the Apple TV but we would would see some news soon
During the last quarter statement, the CFO said that for the sept quarter, profits would be smaller to account for product transitions...



So, based on that and other things, here is the next iPods line-up:

Shuffle

Will come down in price
No other change
Wearability of this iPod is very clever marketing and need to stay
Pricing: 59$ (20$ cheaper)


Nano

Will come down in price
Need to stay in the lineup, entry-level iPod with a screen
We may see capacity increase but with the pricing going done on this, it will only make room for another iPod line
FM tuner included
Updated iPod OS
Click wheel
Pricing: 119$ 2G (30$ cheaper), 149$ 4G (50$ cheaper), 199$ 8G (50$ cheaper)


Mini

Apple cannot let go the current 5.5 gen iPod form factor... this is a technological icon... but, Apple can change the name and re-introduce the mini line...
new GUI but may be based on the current 5.5 gen iPod
all flash based: 8 and 16 gigs in size
very thin and sexy, same back of the current 5.5 gen iPod
click wheel
same 2.5 inch screen of the current 5.5 gen iPod
FM tuner
Available now
Pricing: 249$ for 8G, 299$ for 16G


iPod


What people refer to the iPod touch
New form factor: look for aluminum, glass, black... inspired with the iPhone and current iMac
HD based: 30, 60, 120 gigs
OS X based
iPhone interface with touch
Wi-Fi
Pricing: 299$ for 30G, 349$ for 80G, 449$ for 120G


Common features of the new iPod mini and iPod 6G


Notes
The iPod mini will be more like a 6G iPod
The iPod with touch will be the new star of the family

The Keynote will be like this


Welcome message
Recap of the current state of the "iPod nation"

Now, Beatles on the iTunes
Now, Movies rental service
Apple TV update : iTunes available from Apple TV


Recap of the current lineup
What can be improved on the software side: equalizer, songs lyrics, karaoke,updated calender and to-dos, clocks

Let start by the entry level...
Now, the nanos... bring the price down, tweak it a little bit

What others are doing ?
Now, what's missing ?
How can Apple can contribute to fix problems...
What can be improved on the hardware side ^

Now, the iPod mini return !
Can we bring the iPhone experience to a wider audience ?
Introducing the new iPod
iTunes available from the new iPod with wi-fi

One more thing

All current 5 gen iPod owner will be able to perform an OS upgrade (not clear if iPod OS 2.0 ou OS X without touch interface)
iTunes 7.5 (or 8.0)

Thank you all for coming.

A weel informed guy.

Well then, you seem to know what you're talking about. I hope you're right!

jfmartin
Aug 29, 2007, 09:55 AM
I am going to have to disagree with you on Apple selling a nano and a mini because they are too close to differentiate. Without the hard drive the mini can be just as small as the nano so what would Apple do with the extra "wasted" space? I think the nano will get video support while keeping the click-wheel, the size of the nano will stay the same, but the screen will get bigger so you will have to turn the nano sideways to watch video.

the current nano need to compete with all the other MP3 players that are cheaper smaller but includes a screen...

The new mini will keep the form factor of the 5.5 gen iPod because lots of people would like to have bigger screen than the current nanos without having to buy the top of the line ipods....

people don't buy ipod based on the internal components but with external form factors and functionnalities... the new nano is the new mini...

Virgil-TB2
Aug 29, 2007, 09:56 AM
... As for the iPod lineup, seems like the Nano redesign will leave Apple with a pretty big market gap, given the awkward design. Who knows, maybe the shuffle will get a larger capacity or maybe the 2nd Gen Nano form factor will be kept as an entry model. After all, the added width is the main reason why there are many fatPod design dissenters.... I'm glad I am not the only one thinking about this.

If the "fatPod" is real, there will most certainly be a big hole in one of the key iPod market segments unless they keep the old nano form factor in some way shape or form. I keep pondering this and have yet to come up with a good reason why Apple would screw over so many people and actually throw away sales in that way.

It's possible that the fatPod is just an elaborate joke I suppose, but I still have my fingers crossed for the (increasingly not believed in by anyone but me) nanoPhone! :D

Virgil-TB2
Aug 29, 2007, 10:03 AM
Okay, I am the only one who is not excited but the Beatles addition to iTunes then. Sorry I poured cold water on you guys' enthusiam...

:DJust so you are not out there all by yourself...

English person here that grew up on the Beatles, owned every album many times (even the original pressings from the UK), my older sister was even one of those screaming chicks at their concerts you see in the old footage of them and....

I am so sick and tired of hearing about this subject.

Seriously. :)

PS - also agree with those that are pointing out it would be a total slap in the face to the Beatles and all their fans, to announce their arrival on iTunes with an old Sonny and Cher song anyway.

Daringescape
Aug 29, 2007, 10:13 AM
Could this KLEER technology be made to work with headsets for cell phones that dont make you look like a borg?

I have vowed not to use a wireless headset until I can get one Jack Bauer style - so small no one can see it in your ear.

Bobthemonkey
Aug 29, 2007, 10:17 AM
Just my thoughts on the jfmartin predictions:

No FM radio - its old technology. If any OTA audio is added it will be Sat, but i doubt that would happem, due to existing hardware contracts.

The 'mini' you describe will be the iPod 'stumpy' which has been doing the rounds. If you implied this, and I missed it, you have my apologies.

There will be an upgrade to the Apple TV, incorperating the itunes store and bluetooth to allow the use of the new, small form factor wireless KB. We may even see an act of benevolence on Apple's part and see them enable the USB port on the existing units to allow the use of a bluetooth dongle via a firmware update.

macenforcer
Aug 29, 2007, 10:23 AM
Bluetooth is the future man...

Wouldn't it be nice to sync your iPod without ever plugging it in? Or maybe use your iPod as a remote?



Thanks!

:rolleyes:

Bluetooth sucks and has been around for a long time now. All it needs is wifi.

retroneo
Aug 29, 2007, 10:24 AM
Could this KLEER technology be made to work with headsets for cell phones that dont make you look like a borg?

Check out the Invisio G5 from Nextlink. Smallest Bluetooth headset - Fits inside ear. Works with iPhone. 6 Grams. 3.3 x 1.6 cm (1.3 x 0.63 in)

http://www.nextlink.se/Templates/Article0.aspx?PageID=f4a9ea3d-ca5f-4eb0-b4e6-3f8cfeedc61a

rossgumbrell
Aug 29, 2007, 10:28 AM
they should use the wifi to wirelessly stream music to all your different airport express around the house!

saxman
Aug 29, 2007, 10:30 AM
Hi,
One more thing

All current 5 gen iPod owner will be able to perform an OS upgrade (not clear if iPod OS 2.0 ou OS X without touch interface)
iTunes 7.5 (or 8.0)
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Thank you all for coming.

A weel informed guy.

If Apple updates the 5 gen software, that will be a first of epic proportions. Upgrade a fundamental shift in software on 2 year old hardware that likely cannot handle what the new iPod OS will/can/might offer? Doubtful.

I have a 3rd gen iPod without any software updates after the 4th gen came out. Some items, like adding "shuffle all" to the main menu could have easily been done but wasn't. I also have a PowerBook physically capable of two finger scrolling, but Apple has and will never release a firmware update for it. I have to use third party software.

Apple wants to sell current iPod owners new iPods. Having a customer base of the iPod does nothing for their bottom line if they don't buy anything else from Apple.

Apple has stated that the iPhone and AppleTV will be different than other products and have more software updates. It remains to be seen if they will do this on a large scale, or continue small updates like adding YouTube video. I don't see any update for previous iPod owners this time around

Virgil-TB2
Aug 29, 2007, 10:31 AM
... we have so many folks here drooling for a portable TV, while those of us who want a small music player seem to be pushed to the wayside. I'm hoping that short squat thing is the new ipod, not the nano. ... Agreed.

I found this mock up of the new fatPod with an optional antennae and feet. Remind you of anything? :)

Edit: This would actually be a very nice idea for a accessory case for the fatPod. A little TV that you can set on your desktop that the fatPod fits into. :)

gugy
Aug 29, 2007, 10:33 AM
If the Beatles are coming to iTunes, I would expect to see Mr. McCartney and Ringo at the event. So let's see.

chaseardoin7
Aug 29, 2007, 10:35 AM
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but i'm sure looking at the invite itself, you can pretty much confirm that there will be the news of the addition of the beatles to the iTunes store. Look at the invite (which is an image in coverflow) to the left, the album in the beastie boys, what comes next in alphabitical order, the beetles....

Squonk
Aug 29, 2007, 10:39 AM
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but i'm sure looking at the invite itself, you can pretty much confirm that there will be the news of the addition of the beatles to the iTunes store. Look at the invite (which is an image in coverflow) to the left, the album in the beastie boys, what comes next in alphabitical order, the beetles....

Nice theory! Good catch. I hope The Beatles do come to iTMS next week! Dig A Pony!

MacSawdust
Aug 29, 2007, 10:41 AM
The new thing in car audio is SYNC. It will be first in Ford's then others. It supports bluetooth streaming audio from MP3 players. Since no players have it now, you can bet it will be in the new iPods. (and the new Zune, since SYNC is written by MS). More details here: http://www.syncmyride.com/#/overlay/overlay_music_player.

Bluetooth streaming audio will take less power than Wi-Fi and would also be an easy-add to iTunes for home use as well.

You heard it here first.

8bitrevolution
Aug 29, 2007, 10:45 AM
Just like the full size iPod isn't going to canabalize nano sales.

In my opinion, the nano is a horrible deal. You pay anywhere from $31 to $74 dollars per gigabyte whereas the full size iPod is $4 to $8 a gigabyte. In that light, why would anyone buy a Nano?

Because everyone has their own needs and while storage space is MY priority, someone else's may be a smaller physical size/weight. Or flash based storage. Or cost.

For me, I like the thought of a touchscreen iPod with the ability to surf the net. At the same time, I don't need half of the stuff they put in the iPhone. And I need a lot more space than the iPhone has. So, hopefully, I compromise a market that Apple will target - high capacity iPods with Safari and wifi.

And wifi doesn't make the iPhone. It's the ability to surf the net from ANYWHERE, not just wifi hot spots. Sure, it may be slow, but when you need to look something up, you can. Regardless of where you are. This is something a wifi iPod would not allow.

Needless to say, I'm anxiously awaiting September 5th (with credit card in hand).

P.B.
Aug 29, 2007, 10:46 AM
Apple has stated that the iPhone and AppleTV will be different than other products and have more software updates.

Really? Is there a quote or news somewhere that proves this?
I really hope if the new iPod does have any WiFi features that the iPhone doesn't, the iPhone will have a software update the same day.
I really can't see Apple launching an iPhone in Europe weeks or even months after the iPod Touch has been released worldwide.
Personally, I think Thomas2006's scenario is most likely:
WiFi for the iPod touch but no iPhone-WiFi features (= no Safari, no Mail, no Google Map, no Widgets - the only thing i could maybe imagine would be YouTube but probably not even that) but something completly different (as stated above: :apple:TV and iTunes remote, wireless syncing etc) that will also be added to the iPhone

zwida
Aug 29, 2007, 10:48 AM
oh no ... :( I just got a nano 4g with my student promo 2 days ago ... i can't believe there is an upgrade in next 8 days ... is there any chance for upgrade?

I thought they're going to introduce the new iPods after Sep 16th

Plenty of this information floating around on MR, but the new iPods will almost certainly be excluded from the promotion, regardless of when it expires. They typically use the promos to clear inventory, so I'd be surprised to see a change in this instance.

peterjhill
Aug 29, 2007, 10:52 AM
New ipods... exciting, but I already have an 80 gb ipod. Hard to justify spending $350 on a new ipod. A smaller ipod with cool apple design goodness, maybe... I watch a lot of podcasts, both video and audio. A teeny thing for under $200, might be interesting.

The Beatles, I have been waiting for a long long time. I'll easily drop a "C note" in the store the day the Beatles show up.

Project
Aug 29, 2007, 10:56 AM
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but i'm sure looking at the invite itself, you can pretty much confirm that there will be the news of the addition of the beatles to the iTunes store. Look at the invite (which is an image in coverflow) to the left, the album in the beastie boys, what comes next in alphabitical order, the beetles....

Apple have been using the Beatles in their marketing and keynotes since forever. The invite doesnt confirm anything in this respect.

joseclaro1
Aug 29, 2007, 10:59 AM
The new iPod line will be like this.

ipod Shuffle (2 GB)

iPod (8 and 16 GB) the new nano

iPod Touch (HDD 80 and 160, Phoneless iPhone)

IPod Phone (iPhone 8 and 16 gb)

iPod TV (apple TV, new software features)

The will kill the nano the same way the mini died.

That's my guess

gloss
Aug 29, 2007, 11:01 AM
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but i'm sure looking at the invite itself, you can pretty much confirm that there will be the news of the addition of the beatles to the iTunes store. Look at the invite (which is an image in coverflow) to the left, the album in the beastie boys, what comes next in alphabitical order, the beetles....

Yeah! And before that is Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots by the Flaming Lips, which...wait a minute.

Zubin
Aug 29, 2007, 11:04 AM
I think that we will see ipod touch,newly designed ipod nanos, and a fresh iphone software update with new applications to fill the bottom row, as well as an itunes update. I am crossing my fingers that the iphone will be released internationally (as a Canadian), but I am fine with an internet-capable touchscreen ipod :)

ben5959
Aug 29, 2007, 11:09 AM
Look here's my take on the whole situation. Apple has put all of this time and money into developing all of this new technology that’s been incorporated into their crowning media achievement, the iphone. With a price tag of $600 it would be foolish to incorporate these same technologies in something that costs $350. I guarantee that the ipods will be the same as the previous generation with maybe the addition of cover-flow and a touch screen. and of course a new look, THATS IT. No Wi-fi access or browser, no Bluetooth capabilities, probably not even an FM radio thingy, It just wouldn’t make any sense. The vast majority of iphone purchasers already had cell phones before they bought this $600 piece of equipment, They would be competing too much with their own product if they bundled all of these things into the ipod. Come on people don’t be stupid!! :rolleyes:

8bitrevolution
Aug 29, 2007, 11:15 AM
Apple have been using the Beatles in their marketing and keynotes since forever. The invite doesnt confirm anything in this respect.

They've been adding in each Beatle's catalog over the last couple of months and have patched up the whole Apple vs Apple Computer dispute. It seems the time is ripe for the Beatles to arrive.

To me, it's not a huge deal but from a business perspective, especially with Apple the record label vs Apple the computer company, it's a huge deal.

tk421
Aug 29, 2007, 11:23 AM
FM radio is dead. Apple will not add an FM tuner.

jfmartin
Aug 29, 2007, 11:24 AM
If Apple updates the 5 gen software, that will be a first of epic proportions. Upgrade a fundamental shift in software on 2 year old hardware that likely cannot handle what the new iPod OS will/can/might offer? Doubtful.

I have a 3rd gen iPod without any software updates after the 4th gen came out. Some items, like adding "shuffle all" to the main menu could have easily been done but wasn't. I also have a PowerBook physically capable of two finger scrolling, but Apple has and will never release a firmware update for it. I have to use third party software.

Apple wants to sell current iPod owners new iPods. Having a customer base of the iPod does nothing for their bottom line if they don't buy anything else from Apple.

Apple has stated that the iPhone and AppleTV will be different than other products and have more software updates. It remains to be seen if they will do this on a large scale, or continue small updates like adding YouTube video. I don't see any update for previous iPod owners this time around

I think you're right on this after all.... this is the part that I'm the least confident...

jialuolu
Aug 29, 2007, 11:25 AM
"The beat goes on" could also be from Eminem's song "Lose Yourself," since he recently got into a legal spat with Apple. Far less likely, but just pointing it out

glacon
Aug 29, 2007, 11:25 AM
The mockup of the new full on iPod is silly as it's just an iphone with a black rim. I imagine the new iPod will, from what I read look like an elongated 5G iPod with the iPhone's screen and home button.

I also do not see these things having Wi-Fi beyond iTunes, as ininternet, unless Apple wants to kill their iPhone business.

8bitrevolution
Aug 29, 2007, 11:26 AM
Look here's my take on the whole situation. Apple has put all of this time and money into developing all of this new technology

So why not roll it out across another platform and recoup all those R&D expenses?

With a price tag of $600 it would be foolish to incorporate these same technologies in something that costs $350.

Blackberrys range anywhere from $300-$500 dollars. For the person who needs a smart phone, the iPod will not work.

And the iPod is always going to outsell the iPhone. Always.

I guarantee that the ipods will be the same as the previous generation with maybe the addition of cover-flow and a touch screen. and of course a new look, THATS IT.

Those may be words you'll end up eating. Unless you've seen the new iPod yourself, I'd be hesitant to make such definitive statements. At this point everything everyone is saying just speculation. Nothing more.

Virgil-TB2
Aug 29, 2007, 11:29 AM
Derwood's right - he generally is .... No one would carry two devices that do the same thing, minus phone calls on one. ... I think this is right, (since Derwood has the same opinion as moi :D ).

I think whatever networking features the iPod has will be limited to functionality that makes sense for the product. iPods are about music and the whole digital revolution associated with it in today's market. There is no reason to include some crippled "Internet in your pocket" functionality from the iPhone like Safari or Mail. If people want a communicator, they should buy an iPhone cause that's what they are. iPods are media players.

I think Apple will essentially borrow the only thing that was ever cool or innovative about the Zune. Think about how cool the Zune "sharing/squirting" feature would be if it was DRM free and on the iPod!

I know there are about 50 people on my train every morning with iPods. What if all those iPods showed up on your screen in a cool graphical way and you could actually share stuff back and forth? Sounds like another must-have product if you think about it that way. :)

jfmartin
Aug 29, 2007, 11:29 AM
Well then, you seem to know what you're talking about. I hope you're right!

Well, I would remove the FM tuner part... FM radio is dead... kind of... anyway...

Also, if wi-fi is included, it will be to enable very specific kind of network access to the iTunes Store Mobile Edition... no net surfing of any kind... the same kind of experience that we have on the Apple TV.. this beast is able to get Top Ten of Music and Video by going out on the internet.... This would be a very clver way of adding wi-fi without being to close of the iPhone offerings..

ben5959
Aug 29, 2007, 11:44 AM
"Those may be words you'll end up eating. Unless you've seen the new iPod yourself, I'd be hesitant to make such definitive statements. At this point everything everyone is saying just speculation. Nothing more.[/QUOTE]"
-8bitrevolution


Yes I understand that "its just speculation", but IT IS FOOLISH to even consider that The new ipod will have anything else besides a touch screen and coverflow. It would make the purchase of an iphone pointless, as i previously stated the vast majority of all iphone buyers had a cell phone before buying the iphone, common sense would lead us to assume that all future iphone buyers would also own a regular cell phone before purchasing the iphone. If apple were to incorporate all of this great technology into a new ipod, no one would want to buy the iphone. Normal Logic allows me to make such a "definitive statement" as I dont believe that Apple is run by a bunch of morons, so thank you very much 8bit, but i will decide what i choose and choose not to eat!!! ;)

knelto
Aug 29, 2007, 11:44 AM
I'm still fairly adamant about the iPod not having WiFi. Even if it is limited to iTMS and things like that, you know someone is either going to crack it and get Safari on it or find/create another OS to throw on it. It's still a possibility, but I'm kind of hoping they don't.

robin.southbeac
Aug 29, 2007, 11:44 AM
Okay, I am the only one who is not excited but the Beatles addition to iTunes then. Sorry I poured cold water on you guys' enthusiam...

:D

It happens to be that The Beat Goes ON... is also the new Madonna single that leaked this week on the internet. Madonna helped some time ago to the launch of the first Motorola phone with Itunes, so it would not be a streach to have Madonna on hand to promote new Ipods and a revamped Itunes store. I cant believe that no one has pick up on this before.

pimentoLoaf
Aug 29, 2007, 11:45 AM
So... how many of you bought iPods after the launch of the iPhone, :( and now cannot afford a new one?

mashinhead
Aug 29, 2007, 11:47 AM
If the new ipods can wirelessly control iTunes and there isn't a firmware update that allows the iPhone to do this, i will be really pissed. I've wanted that feature since the iPhones inception. There is no way, owning an iphone, that i'm going to buy an new ipod, because it doesn't make sense.

ju5tin81
Aug 29, 2007, 11:47 AM
I know there are about 50 people on my train every morning with iPods. What if all those iPods showed up on your screen in a cool graphical way and you could actually share stuff back and forth? Sounds like another must-have product if you think about it that way. :)

Stealing though... If one person bought a track, and squirted it to half the London Underground without DRM... The artist would get sweet FA.

Not likely methinks...

5th Gen is OLD now... and with the exception of video playback... (and eventually games via a software patch) does nothing that an iPod 3 years ago did.

Cloudane
Aug 29, 2007, 11:51 AM
One more thing

All current 5 gen iPod owner will be able to perform an OS upgrade (not clear if iPod OS 2.0 ou OS X without touch interface)

No way in a million years!

For one thing the hardware would be too different, and for another it's no way to sell new iPods. Apple want to convince you to upgrade to the latest model every time if possible.

IF (and that's a very big if) they did do that, they'd at least charge ~half the iPod's price for it... there's no way they'd do it for free, and if they prove me wrong on that point I shall cheerfully dance naked and upload it to the internet :p

The rest of your predictions I agree with though, all seems pretty much spot-on.

Gumps
Aug 29, 2007, 11:53 AM
If it's going to have a radio, it must be DAB which can be recorded onto Ipod HDD (do you have DAB in the US?)

My hopes:

A competitor to Windows Home Server placing Apple firmly at the centre of Home Entertainment

Nike Plus upgraded to include GPS tracking and Heart Rate tied into a watch as well.

oxygen8
Aug 29, 2007, 11:53 AM
The Click Wheel Is Over!!!

Virgil-TB2
Aug 29, 2007, 11:56 AM
I keep reading here about FM tuners. Folks, Apple doesn't want you to use the iPod to listen to free FM radio. They want you to use the iPod to listen to music that you purchase from the iTunes store. ....I Agree.

I would also add in the fact that FM radio is not what it used to be, it's just AM radio at a higher frequency. Radio in general is total crap nowadays. Why would the market leader in media devices with an astounding reputation for high quality products include an FM radio?

jfmartin
Aug 29, 2007, 11:56 AM
No way in a million years!

For one thing the hardware would be too different, and for another it's no way to sell new iPods. Apple want to convince you to upgrade to the latest model every time if possible.

IF (and that's a very big if) they did do that, they'd at least charge ~half the iPod's price for it... there's no way they'd do it for free, and if they prove me wrong on that point I shall cheerfully dance naked and upload it to the internet :p

The rest of your predictions I agree with though, all seems pretty much spot-on.

Well, after thinking about it... you are right... Apple is too busy on new thing to concentrate on the old hardware plateform... Apple TV will be upgraded soon, as the iPhone... the next 6G iPod based on OS X will also be able to upgrade pretty easly though...

jfmartin
Aug 29, 2007, 11:57 AM
The Click Wheel Is Over!!!

Nope ! See my predictions of today....

bigbossbmb
Aug 29, 2007, 12:00 PM
i hope we get actual widescreen ipods (640x360)... not 4:3 that you hold sideways like on the iphone.


i doubt we'll see it, but that would be nice.

Bernie-Mac
Aug 29, 2007, 12:02 PM
If thats what the new iPods look like...count me out. I think they should look like...well...an ipod, not an iphone without all the features of one. Bring back the clickwheel!

8bitrevolution
Aug 29, 2007, 12:07 PM
Yes I understand that "its just speculation", but IT IS FOOLISH to even consider that The new ipod will have anything else besides a touch screen and coverflow. It would make the purchase of an iphone pointless, as i previously stated the vast majority of all iphone buyers had a cell phone before buying the iphone, common sense would lead us to assume that all future iphone buyers would also own a regular cell phone before purchasing the iphone. If apple were to incorporate all of this great technology into a new ipod, no one would want to buy the iphone. Normal Logic allows me to make such a "definitive statement" as I dont believe that Apple is run by a bunch of morons, so thank you very much 8bit, but i will decide what i choose and choose not to eat!!! ;)

While a lot of people on this site may be lured into buying an iPhone because it has wifi, I doubt that's the deciding factor for most consumers. Most consumers bought the iPhone because it's a phone. The product isn't called iWifi, it's called iPhone. I'm never going to buy an iPhone because 1) too damn expensive and 2) I don't want to pay for a data plan. If you're in the market for a phone, you'll consider an iPhone, not an iPod.

Carrying two items in my pocket (a mobile phone and an iPod) doesn't bother me but some people, it does. Those people will spring for an iPhone (or some sort of phone + mp3 player).

I think the whole iPhone thing has distorted the market - traditionally most people bought 'regular' cellphones. Myself included. Most people will continue to buy regular cellphones. There's a market of people who need, for work reasons usually, to be able to get to their e-mail anywhere at anytime. The iPhone user base doesn't consist entirely of people who want to surf the net at any given time. Like I said before, the iPhone is an entry into the "smart phone" market, a market that has been often times dominated by business users, not personal.

I'm not saying wifi is a given either way. I'd like it but Apple has little concern for what I want. I just don't think sharing a few features between lines is going to kill the iPhone. We'll see what happens on the 5th. :)

Thomas2006
Aug 29, 2007, 12:08 PM
Wow, I can't think of anything more awful. Don't people like actual music anymore? It's all this overproduced music-style product these days.

I guess I'm getting old.
I fell your pain. I remember buying albums, putting them on the turntable and listening to the music while looking at the album art. I would then have to turn the album over to listen to the other side. If we wanted a good seat at the concert we would have to go to the arena (Capital Centre, Baltimore Civic Center) at midnight, or later, to draw a lottery number that would be our place in line later that morning so we could have a better chance at getting seats where we wanted. Even better was albums only held 60 minutes, 8-10 songs, so the bands toured more frequently so we were almost guaranteed to see them in concert every 13 months. If they needed a break they put out a live album, best of, or previously unreleased music that they would not tour, but would play on their next tour.

Word of mouth and concert shirts were how we learned of new (to us) bands. Now, a band works on producing singles with sibling videos containing fancy visual effects. I am not even going to get started on ticket prices.

dragracer.de
Aug 29, 2007, 12:11 PM
Am I the only one who´d like to have a wifi Ipod with option for internet radio?? THAT would be THE killer application for me...

I don´t need web browsing - just give me my favourite web radio stations when I do my dishes :)

saxman
Aug 29, 2007, 12:12 PM
Really? Is there a quote or news somewhere that proves this?


I believe this was back when Apple decided to change their earning reports to be spread out over a year or two instead of when the hardware was originally sold. They adjusted their accounting procedures so that they could add value to an already purchased product without them having to charge for the update (not just updating security or bug fixes). This was when they decided to charge for the 802.11n update to some of the intel computers even though the hardware was there but wasn't sold with that specification. I don't have a link handy right at the moment, but I believe that was their rational - so they could add more functionality without charging for it.

Of course some accountants disagreed on if it was necessary or not, but that's what I think apple said. It remains to be seen if they will actually do this or it will be along the lines of "the year of the laptop" which didn't produce anything revolutionary in mobile computing or "very exciting things in the pipeline for PPC products" right after the intel announcement - which of course never happened

ben5959
Aug 29, 2007, 12:14 PM
While a lot of people on this site may be lured into buying an iPhone because it has wifi, I doubt that's the deciding factor for most consumers. Most consumers bought the iPhone because it's a phone. The product isn't called iWifi, it's called iPhone. I'm never going to buy an iPhone because 1) too damn expensive and 2) I don't want to pay for a data plan. If you're in the market for a phone, you'll consider an iPhone, not an iPod.

Carrying two items in my pocket (a mobile phone and an iPod) doesn't bother me but some people, it does. Those people will spring for an iPhone (or some sort of phone + mp3 player).

I think the whole iPhone thing has distorted the market - traditionally most people bought 'regular' cellphones. Myself included. Most people will continue to buy regular cellphones. There's a market of people who need, for work reasons usually, to be able to get to their e-mail anywhere at anytime. The iPhone user base doesn't consist entirely of people who want to surf the net at any given time. Like I said before, the iPhone is an entry into the "smart phone" market, a market that has been often times dominated by business users, not personal.

I'm not saying wifi is a given either way. I'd like it but Apple has little concern for what I want. I just don't think sharing a few features between lines is going to kill the iPhone. We'll see what happens on the 5th. :)

agree to disagree, we'll just have to wait and see:D

edit:
maybe im just a little pissy because I DID buy the ipone and id be kind upset if they offered everything else except the phone function to an ipod for half the price

madmaxmedia
Aug 29, 2007, 12:29 PM
There doesn't need to be internal competition between iPhone and iPod sales, you guys are assuming it to be the case. The iPod doesn't compete with the iPhone, it competes with Zune, Creative, etc.

First of all, if there is an iPod with Wifi, it will get Safari, Youtube, iChat, etc. at some point (Apple provided or not.) Mobile Safari is way too great a browser not to include. And no, there will be NO DRM-free song sharing, are you crazy? You can't even copy songs from iPod to computer right now (without 3rd party apps), why would Apple suddenly reverse stance on copying music wirelessly? That's much less likely than getting Safari on the iPod.

Second of all, any iPod with wifi and added features is going to cost closer to $600 than $300. That being the case, Apple will make a lot of money REGARDLESS of which device you buy. Want a phone? Buy the iPhone. Have a phone already, or want more storage space? Buy the iPod. Apple wins either way.

They might start the line at $299, but a $299 fullscreen iPod will not have wifi. More likely there would be 3 price points, with a maybe a $399 model with 120GB and no wifi, and a $499 model with 120GB and wifi.

The iPod/iPhone IS the next Newton, the one that most people actually want and need. iLife-type apps (music, photos, movies), a great mobile browser, iChat, etc. ALL working seamlessly and wonderfully right out of the box with the killer iPhone-type UI.

But wifi is coming, either in one week or one year. The same rigamarole comes up with every new generation of iPods- they're for music, they'll never add another feature. Yet the one constant of the iPod has been constant change, this product came out in what, 2001? The very name 'iPod' was chosen because it is non-specific (as opposed to using an app named 'iTunes' to manage movies, the iPhone, Address Book syncing, etc.)

JGowan
Aug 29, 2007, 12:30 PM
You CAN just rip The Beatles collection into itunes yourself. I'm not sure what the big deal is.With that logic, why does iTunes even exist? You "can just rip" ANY music into iTunes yourself.

There's a couple of reasons this is a big deal:

1) The Beatles have held out longer in being sold online in digital form than just about any of the big acts have. Rolling Stones and Madonna have both finally come online (Stones made a horrible choice, I think, for going with RealNetworks). And while Robert Plant has all of his stuff online (including the remasterd box set NINE LIVES), Led Zeppelin is still a "hold out".

2) It has been known for some time that The Beatles entire catalogue was being completely remastered. I'm sure Paul McCartney and George Martin were both heavily involved in this (McCartney would certainly hate a repeat of what happened to "Let It Be" -- especially to ALL of the material.) Will the music sound better? God, I surely hope so. Considering how good "Let It Be... Naked" sounded, I think it could. And while LIB...N was pretty drastic, it was understandable for those aware of the history of that album. With that being said, while I don't mind the rest of the catalogue being tweaked for the better, I DO NOT WANT the music to change. I want all the same guitar solos and other parts to remain completely in tact. I want all the keys to stay the same. There's some things on LIB...N that I just shake my head at and say "why?" but I think, as a whole, it is a better album now.

3) EMI is a partner to iTunes Plus-256kbps ACC. The music will sound excellent, even as a digital download. Music ripped up until now on the store at 128K ACC... it was, well, tolerable. Thank God The Beatles are EMI and will be offered at the higher bit rate. I've downloaded a number of albums on the Plus side and think they sound terrific (although I've been ripping my music at 320K for some time now).

4) The old becomes new again. This music is OLD. Even "Let It Be", their last released album (or the youngest), is almost 40 years old. Apart from hearing some of the hits on an Oldies radio station, what chance does a person have to sample the entire collection in his/her own home? I would imagine most people born from 1980 on up have very little knowledge of who The Beatles really were. A casual fan might purchase "1" and think they pretty much have all the good stuff. Not even close. With The Beatles on iTunes it truly opens up the potential for new fans.

5) If Steve Jobs offered up a Limited Edition iPod to U2, you KNOW that The Beatles will have one. Could be very awesome indeed. Considering the history of the Apples, I'm sure Jobs will only offer the coolest iPod ever with The Beatles. We'll see Sep. 5!

OldTimey
Aug 29, 2007, 12:32 PM
sharing music wirelessly is not something the record labels would be too keen on.

if the ipod is running OSX, i don't see apple including wifi on the ipod. An OSX/wifi ipod will be hacked before it reaches stores...if it doesn't ship with a web browser/mail program, you can bet your lucky stars that someone will develop one pretty quick.

look how far the iPhone hacks have come. The only surefire way for apple to avoid people overriding a "crippled" wifi iPod is to not include wifi period.

(thats not to say a third party wouldnt develop a wifi accessory...if the ipod is running osx...anything is possible.)

8bitrevolution
Aug 29, 2007, 12:44 PM
There doesn't need to be internal competition between iPhone and iPod sales, you guys are assuming it to be the case. The iPod doesn't compete with the iPhone, it competes with Zune, Creative, etc.

Amen.

OldTimey
Aug 29, 2007, 12:50 PM
if it runs osx and has wifi+safari and mail...then uhh yea it does compete with iphone.

If the new ipod is: full screen, has wifi+safari, im getting an iPod. If it doesn't, im getting an iPhone.

I can't be the only one that feels this way. To say they don't compete with each other, even now with the 5.5g ipod, is a somewhat ludicrous statement.

betoranaldi
Aug 29, 2007, 12:52 PM
With all this wifi talk, I hope they update the Airport Express to draft.n

I am about to upgrade my wireless system and was planning on getting one, would be nice to have all .n stuff so I don't need to run a mixed network.

Plus the Airport Express is a few years old and is due for an update.

Much Ado
Aug 29, 2007, 12:54 PM
With all this wifi talk, I hope they update the Airport Extreme to draft.n

Plus the Airport Extreme is a few years old and is due for an update.

http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/ :confused:

JGowan
Aug 29, 2007, 12:59 PM
I hope they at least have FM tuners and bluetooth.Agreed. I have wanted a built in FM tuner forever. The best possible scenario would be a way to record the radio program. And not just push a button and record, but a way to set a recording to start a specific time (TIVO/VCR-like). With software included that messured sound levels, I'm sure Apple could create a way to just record the spoken word. Perfect for news shows, talk shows, etc. Certainly they wouldn't allow recording songs but news should be ok, right?

Bluetooth is the future man... Wouldn't it be nice to sync your iPod without ever plugging it in? Or maybe use your iPod as a remote?I agree that the iPod as a remote for your MAC would be cool, I have to say that Bluetooth song transfers would be murderously slow.

Is it just me, or has every generation of iPods been preceded by a flood or rumors predicting WiFi/Bluetooth?With the iPhone already HAVING WiFi, I don't think it's a stretch of the imagination this time. Finally. A rumor not based on pure dreaming.

Adding the entire Beatles makes perfect sense given all the band's members' catalogs being added in the past weeks.Where the hell is George?! Perhaps I'm not searching right, but I only got one lame song that he sang as a guest on a Bob Dylan album. From what I can tell, EMI owns some of his stuff, although I believe he had his own label, Dark Horse. Anyone? What's the story on George's music?

I wouldn't be surprised if what is being called the new nano turns out to be the new "regular iPod", but these are just guesses based on pessimism.Yes that would be the wrong decision and I don't you need to worry. That sounds like a horrible ideal. People have long thought of the REAL iPod as about the size as a deck of cards. Going to something so skinny would lose a lot of customers, I think. Revolt.

I think that they'll try to pass off this new iPod touch thing as something different than the regular iPod and give it a higher price. I just don't think they'll sell this for 250-350 while selling the iPhone for 500-600.Agreed. Something is going to happen here with this new "touch" iPod being an entity of its own, the HIGH END model, as it were. Apple realizes that, while Touch is cool, there are millions that will balk at that big of a change, either in the technology or the price associated with it. I think we'll see:

1) Shuffle -- increase on capacity only (in my opinion, they're perfect).

2) Nano -- increase on capacity only (in my opinion, they're perfect). But there might be some small cosmetic changes

3) iPod -- increase in capacity. Price will be positively changed or more bang for the buck. I believe some cosmetic changes. It will get better and will be the iPod of choice for those who want a great full-size iPod without having to go touch or take out a bank loan.

4) iPod Touch -- Fill in the blank here according to your latest fantasies. But include a really big Hard Drive and a big price. I would imagine in the neighborhood of the iPhone's current price-points, $499 & $599.

CaptainCaveMann
Aug 29, 2007, 01:03 PM
Please bring a Multi touch ipod with Wifi and Safari browser!!!! That would be awesome, us T-Mobile customers and the like need it! No we want it! How cool would it be on your next trip to Europe to not have to bring your laptop but just have your ipod and find a hot spot to send email home? Amazing. :)

Well, either way we will all find out in a few days : )

techlover828
Aug 29, 2007, 01:04 PM
I'm so excited, my guess,
fat ipod nano 8GB and 16GB (or maybe 16-32) to replace current video.
iPod nano price reduction or larger capacities for same price.
Shuffle, cheaper? maybe 2GB
And then (drum roll please) the all new ipod (hopefully bt and wifi but maybe not)

thats whats going to happen, maybe :p

betoranaldi
Aug 29, 2007, 01:14 PM
http://www.apple.com/airportextreme/ :confused:

DOH! I mean Airport Express

nerfjames
Aug 29, 2007, 01:18 PM
in the iPod Touch mockup, the album of choice is Nerf Herder's "MY E.P.". Great album.

if you're into poppy punk......

-j

twoodcc
Aug 29, 2007, 01:22 PM
looking forward to this event. Hopefully more stuff will be released as well

elcid
Aug 29, 2007, 01:25 PM
Wireless wont be n. I would be thrilled with b/g/a and with WPA Enterprise. Secure it up sheesh!

ben5959
Aug 29, 2007, 01:28 PM
if it runs osx and has wifi+safari and mail...then uhh yea it does compete with iphone.

If the new ipod is: full screen, has wifi+safari, im getting an iPod. If it doesn't, im getting an iPhone.

I can't be the only one that feels this way. To say they don't compete with each other, even now with the 5.5g ipod, is a somewhat ludicrous statement.

Thank you oldtimey, this was my point all along, that people would come to this decision if the new ipod had all of these features, and apple realizes this, therefore WILL NOT include these features in their new line! :)

by the way, has anyone heard reports of people being shocked by their iphones, mine was doing this while it charged, so i sent it to apple and they sent me a new one. kinda scary!

Cloudsurfer
Aug 29, 2007, 01:30 PM
With that logic, why does iTunes even exist?

Because

a) not everyone has every album;
b) downloading music and movies is not legal in every country.

I have never used the iTunes Store, simply because downloading is legal over here. Okay, the quality isn't always as great, but it's not bad either.

JCC
Aug 29, 2007, 01:39 PM
if it runs osx and has wifi+safari and mail...then uhh yea it does compete with iphone.

If the new ipod is: full screen, has wifi+safari, im getting an iPod. If it doesn't, im getting an iPhone.


If this is the case, then you don't really want a phone. If you don't actually want a phone, why are you considering buying one?

This is sort of like saying, "I don't need an expensive toaster. But the toaster comes with a chafing dish I really like, so I'll by the expensive toaster to get the chafing dish."

nemaslov
Aug 29, 2007, 01:40 PM
Because

a) not everyone has every album;
b) downloading music and movies is not legal in every country.

I have never used the iTunes Store, simply because downloading is legal over here. Okay, the quality isn't always as great, but it's not bad either.

And if you are taking songs for free you are stealing right out from the pockets of the artists. Kind of like me going into you house and taking some of you things.

techlover828
Aug 29, 2007, 01:40 PM
If this is the case, then you don't really want a phone. If you don't actually want a phone, why are you considering buying one?

This is sort of like saying, "I don't need an expensive toaster. But the toaster comes with a chafing dish I really like, so I'll by the expensive toaster to get the chafing dish."

ok? :rolleyes:

Cloudsurfer
Aug 29, 2007, 01:45 PM
I'm so excited, my guess,
fat ipod nano 8GB and 16GB (or maybe 16-32) to replace current video.

I resized the mockup of Engaget in Photoshop to real size (I have it at home, don't have access to the file here...) and the screen is pretty small... much bigger than the 2G nano, of course, but still not a comfortable replacement for the true video iPod--especially if the new iPod will have a big iPhone-ish widescreen.

That said, I don't believe the new fat nano will have more than 16GB of storage. Costs aside, I don't think anyone would plant full-length movies on a 'low-end' iPod with a small screen like that. 32GB would make for a nice portable flash drive, though.

I think the base model will come with 4GB in silver, for 149€. The colored models will come in an 8GB configuration for 199€ (I would personally go for this model) and the top-end black model will come in 16GB... for 249€. My two cents :)

(A less optimistic view would be that the new nano won't even play video at all and will just use the screen for the iPod games and coverflow... :eek:in which case I think it will keep the current capacities.)

Cloudsurfer
Aug 29, 2007, 01:47 PM
And if you are taking songs for free you are stealing right out from the pockets of the artists. Kind of like me going into you house and taking some of you things.

Eh... no, not exactly. It's legal over here for a reason. We pay for these downloading rights through our ISP bills and every time we buy blank media such as DVD-R's and flash drives. As such, blank media over here is more expensive than in, say, the United States.

artalliance
Aug 29, 2007, 01:52 PM
edit:
maybe im just a little pissy because I DID buy the ipone and id be kind upset if they offered everything else except the phone function to an ipod for half the price

Use some common sense here :p
IF they include WIFI and a touch screen, this will be their top-of-the-line model. At least $450 or $500. So you don't have to feel too bad for getting all that plus a phone for $600. ;)

autrefois
Aug 29, 2007, 01:54 PM
Obviously, based on the use of the phrase "The Beat Goes On", Apple are coming out with a Sonny and Cher iPod (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beat_Goes_On). ;)

I see this has already been brought up earlier in the thread, but seriously it does seem like the Beatles reference is pretty promising (crosses fingers).

techlover828
Aug 29, 2007, 01:56 PM
Obviously, based on the use of the phrase "The Beat Goes On", Apple are coming out with a Sonny and Cher iPod (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beat_Goes_On). ;)

i'd definatly pick one of those up.

OldTimey
Aug 29, 2007, 01:57 PM
If this is the case, then you don't really want a phone. If you don't actually want a phone, why are you considering buying one?

This is sort of like saying, "I don't need an expensive toaster. But the toaster comes with a chafing dish I really like, so I'll by the expensive toaster to get the chafing dish."

your analogy is somewhat faulty, and proves my point if nothing else... no i don't need an expensive toaster, nobody does, really. But if i NEED that chafing dish, then hell, i'll save my money and get the expensive toaster. Now...if a much less expensive toaster comes around with the same chaffing dish...which one do you think im going to buy?

besides...most of the iphone users i know use their iPhones to talk on the PHONE a lot less than they do as PDA's with wifi or 8GB iPods.

the bottom line is, neither the iPhone nor a wifi iPod would meet all the needs i have. I will always have a combination of devices in my pocket, for now.

it's either:

iPhone (phone + PDA)
+
30gig iPod 5G (for all my music and videos, 8gigs just dont cut it)

OR

80Gig iPod 6G with Wifi+OSX (PDA+all my music and videos)
+
Nokia 6030 (phone)


so yes, i need a phone, but it doesnt have to be an iPhone...

But bottom line, listen, i dont know if the new iPod will have WIFI. I dont think it will. but that's up to Steve. Who knows. if it does, awesome for me. But to say it won't cut into iPhone sales is idiotic. I for one, won't be buying an iPhone if the iPod has wifi+PDA functions. That's one less sale of the iPhone+2year contract. HELLO! others will feel the same way as i do. i am not alone. If the new ipods have wifi...i dont see that actually HELPING iPhone sales in any way...is that what you think would happen???

rockstarjoe
Aug 29, 2007, 01:59 PM
Use some common sense here :p
IF they include WIFI and a touch screen, this will be their top-of-the-line model. At least $450 or $500. So you don't have to feel too bad for getting all that plus a phone for $600. ;)

When I bought my 60GB iPod Photo it cost $599, since it was their flagship iPod model. I could see them hitting this price point again for the ipod touch (although I sure hope it's cheaper!).

nemaslov
Aug 29, 2007, 02:27 PM
Eh... no, not exactly. It's legal over here for a reason. We pay for these downloading rights through our ISP bills and every time we buy blank media such as DVD-R's and flash drives. As such, blank media over here is more expensive than in, say, the United States.

They did that in the 70s and 80s in the US with blank cassettes after the labels fought that too. "Home taping is killing the record business" they promoted. But as the labels took a cut, the artists still got screwed and never really got there fair share.

I think all music should cost something unless the artist wants to give away songs to promote themselves. even 25 or 50 cents per song. Something at least.

It is so unfortunate that so many now feel music has no value and feel entitled to download for free. At least on places like MYSPACE, artist can sell their songs directly via SNOCAP. They sign up, upload, set any price and Snocap adds something like 30 cents to the price as their cut and it is up to the artist to promote themselves. a very fair way for you to support and buy the music. Especially if they are not signed or on iTunes.

Clive At Five
Aug 29, 2007, 02:30 PM
1) iPod Shuffle - 1 & 2GB models, $59 & $99
2) iPod Nano - 4 & 8GB models, $149 & $199
3) iPod, a.k.a. "FatPod" - 8 & 16GB (NAND flash) models, $249 & $349
4) iPod "Touch" - 60 & 120GB models, $399 & $499

If I'm right, you all owe me $20... each.

-Clive

techlover828
Aug 29, 2007, 02:32 PM
They did that in the 70s and 80s in the US with blank cassettes after the labels fought that too. "Home taping is killing the record business" they promoted. But as the labels took a cut, the artists still got screwed and never really got there fair share.

I think all music should cost something unless the artist wants to give away songs to promote themselves. even 25 or 50 cents per song. Something at least.

It is so unfortunate that so many now feel music has no value and feel entitled to download for free. At least on places like MYSPACE, artist can sell their songs directly via SNOCAP. They sign up, upload, set any price and Snocap adds something like 30 cents to the price as their cut and it is up to the artist to promote themselves. a very fair way for you to support and buy the music. Especially if they are not signed or on iTunes.

my big problem with itunes is even when I have bought a song and paid way more than I would for a CD, I still don't really own the music, I think that they should sell the songs without the protection so you really feel like you own the song that you paid for, I should not have to pay for songs and not really own then when people who download them for free really own them (by own I mean no restrictions)

nemaslov
Aug 29, 2007, 02:33 PM
my big problem with itunes is even when I have bought a song and paid way more than I would for a CD, I still don't really own the music, I think that they should sell the songs without the protection so you really feel like you own the song that you paid for, give me a reason to be moral.

Agree. That's why I buy the CDs whenever possible or DRM free only. Still think that the digital versions should costs about half what a CD costs. That would be fair.

techlover828
Aug 29, 2007, 02:34 PM
1) iPod Shuffle - 1 & 2GB models, $59 & $99
2) iPod Nano - 4 & 8GB models, $149 & $199
3) iPod, a.k.a. "FatPod" - 8 & 16GB (NAND flash) models, $249 & $349
4) iPod "Touch" - 60 & 120GB models, $399 & $499

If I'm right, you all owe me $20... each.

-Clive

that's exactly what I said

KingofAwesome
Aug 29, 2007, 02:36 PM
I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but i'm sure looking at the invite itself, you can pretty much confirm that there will be the news of the addition of the beatles to the iTunes store. Look at the invite (which is an image in coverflow) to the left, the album in the beastie boys, what comes next in alphabitical order, the beetles....

Actually, we should expect to see Beauty School Dropouts, Beck, Becky Williams, and Bedrock! What a glorious day.

And it has been mentioned already. MANY times.

Clive At Five
Aug 29, 2007, 02:38 PM
that's exactly what I said

Well, I didn't read every page, so it's just a coincidence.

...Besides, you know what they say about great minds...

OR OR OR OR OR OR! I have a better idea. If you and I are right, everybody owes us both $20, each. How's about them Apples?

-Clive

8bitrevolution
Aug 29, 2007, 02:42 PM
your analogy is somewhat faulty, and proves my point if nothing else... no i don't need an expensive toaster, nobody does, really. But if i NEED that chafing dish, then hell, i'll save my money and get the expensive toaster. Now...if a much less expensive toaster comes around with the same chaffing dish...which one do you think im going to buy?

besides...most of the iphone users i know use their iPhones to talk on the PHONE a lot less than they do as PDA's with wifi or 8GB iPods.

the bottom line is, neither the iPhone nor a wifi iPod would meet all the needs i have. I will always have a combination of devices in my pocket, for now.

it's either:

iPhone (phone + PDA)
+
30gig iPod 5G (for all my music and videos, 8gigs just dont cut it)

OR

80Gig iPod 6G with Wifi+OSX (PDA+all my music and videos)
+
Nokia 6030 (phone)


so yes, i need a phone, but it doesnt have to be an iPhone...

But bottom line, listen, i dont know if the new iPod will have WIFI. I dont think it will. but that's up to Steve. Who knows. if it does, awesome for me. But to say it won't cut into iPhone sales is idiotic. I for one, won't be buying an iPhone if the iPod has wifi+PDA functions. That's one less sale of the iPhone+2year contract. HELLO! others will feel the same way as i do. i am not alone. If the new ipods have wifi...i dont see that actually HELPING iPhone sales in any way...is that what you think would happen???

Not including wifi in the iPod is going to do very little to help iPhone sales. You may be sitting on the fence but I'm willing to bet that a lot of people aren't.

To me, the most important part of the iPhone's internet capabilities isn't wifi, it's EDGE. If you're lost in a new city, you're going to look up driving directions over EDGE most likely. And that's what you'll lose with a wifi iPod - you can only get online when you're in range of a wifi network you have access to.

I won't argue that you're alone but you're certainly not the majority.

50548
Aug 29, 2007, 02:45 PM
I hope they at least have FM tuners and bluetooth.

And the shuffle will see a 2GB black model, I hope.

-=|Mgkwho

Please, not again. If there is ONE reason why iPods were created in the first place, it was exactly to escape the world of crappy radio.

I want touchscreen/widescreen iPods with bigger capacities, that's all. The current ones are already THE BEST players in the globe, Apple...just make them even better.

nemaslov
Aug 29, 2007, 02:47 PM
Actually, we should expect to see Beauty School Dropouts, Beck, Becky Williams, and Bedrock! What a glorious day.

And it has been mentioned already. MANY times.

or the Beat, the Beat Farmers, Beatrice Potters greatest Hit, Beautiful South, Bronski Beat, Beatsteaks, Beatallica, Beat Junkies, Beat Beat Beat.....

JCC
Aug 29, 2007, 02:51 PM
If the new ipods have wifi...i dont see that actually HELPING iPhone sales in any way...is that what you think would happen???

I don't see how it helps Apple as a company in the long run to make products which their users don't want and hope they buy them anyways, rather than to make products which their users actually want.

It reads like you think Apple will compromise a vastly more popular product in order force people to buy a less popular product. I don't understand why Apple might think this is good business practice.

I don't know if the new iPods will have wifi either. If it doesn't though, I don't think this will be the reason.

jruc4871
Aug 29, 2007, 03:01 PM
Well, I didn't read every page, so it's just a coincidence.

...Besides, you know what they say about great minds...



At least a dozen people have predicted the Shuffle price-cut/Nano/Mini/Touch combo on various threads. Each person thinks they came up a clever idea.

1. That's an absurdly complicated lineup without precident.

2. There will be nothing called "iPod Touch." Pay attention. The top of the line will be called "iPod."

Don Bagles
Aug 29, 2007, 03:07 PM
your analogy is somewhat faulty, and proves my point if nothing else... no i don't need an expensive toaster, nobody does, really. But if i NEED that chafing dish, then hell, i'll save my money and get the expensive toaster. Now...if a much less expensive toaster comes around with the same chaffing dish...which one do you think im going to buy?

besides...most of the iphone users i know use their iPhones to talk on the PHONE a lot less than they do as PDA's with wifi or 8GB iPods.

the bottom line is, neither the iPhone nor a wifi iPod would meet all the needs i have. I will always have a combination of devices in my pocket, for now.

it's either:

iPhone (phone + PDA)
+
30gig iPod 5G (for all my music and videos, 8gigs just dont cut it)

OR

80Gig iPod 6G with Wifi+OSX (PDA+all my music and videos)
+
Nokia 6030 (phone)


so yes, i need a phone, but it doesnt have to be an iPhone...

But bottom line, listen, i dont know if the new iPod will have WIFI. I dont think it will. but that's up to Steve. Who knows. if it does, awesome for me. But to say it won't cut into iPhone sales is idiotic. I for one, won't be buying an iPhone if the iPod has wifi+PDA functions. That's one less sale of the iPhone+2year contract. HELLO! others will feel the same way as i do. i am not alone. If the new ipods have wifi...i dont see that actually HELPING iPhone sales in any way...is that what you think would happen???

So you want an iPhone with a hard drive in it.

I think that's what EVERYONE wants.

Bring it on Apple! PLEASSEEEE!!!

Thanatoast
Aug 29, 2007, 03:08 PM
as long as they introduce iTunes streaming over the net to my iphone I'll be fine. It's gotta happen soon. Maybe with leopard & dotmac's new "at home, anywhere" feature...

homeboy
Aug 29, 2007, 03:10 PM
When I bought my 60GB iPod Photo it cost $599, since it was their flagship iPod model. I could see them hitting this price point again for the ipod touch (although I sure hope it's cheaper!).

Apple have always been extremely price competitive especially with their top of the line model. The reason why the iPod photo was dead expensive was because there wasn't anything out there like it. A touch screen iPod on the other hand will not be shocking since there already is a handful of touch screen devices priced under 400 dollars. With that being said there is no way a touch screen iPod will cost any much more than 299 dollars unless it comes with a 11-12 inch touch screen display.

8bitrevolution
Aug 29, 2007, 03:16 PM
1. That's an absurdly complicated lineup without precident.

2. There will be nothing called "iPod Touch." Pay attention. The top of the line will be called "iPod."

Apple made a big deal about simplifying their line-up across the board and I imagine it's helped them big time. It lets customers find what they want without wading through a list of specifications. I doubt Apple is in any hurry to return to that pricing model.

Kilamite
Aug 29, 2007, 03:23 PM
Not cool that MacRumors is linking to a site that is NSFW....

I clicked on that KezNews site and it had pornographic images in the upper right... (I believe it was an adultfriendfinder ad with naked women) I think that link should be removed.

Cheers for pointing that out - you just gave me a valid reason to click the link!

DaBrain
Aug 29, 2007, 03:25 PM
1) iPod Shuffle - 1 & 2GB models, $59 & $99
2) iPod Nano - 4 & 8GB models, $149 & $199
3) iPod, a.k.a. "FatPod" - 8 & 16GB (NAND flash) models, $249 & $349
4) iPod "Touch" - 60 & 120GB models, $399 & $499

If I'm right, you all owe me $20... each.

-Clive

Check is in the mail! :D

nemaslov
Aug 29, 2007, 03:29 PM
Apple made a big deal about simplifying their line-up across the board and I imagine it's helped them big time. It lets customers find what they want without wading through a list of specifications. I doubt Apple is in any hurry to return to that pricing model.

Not a simple as Sony's MP3 product line. It is so easy to differentiate:

NW-E307, NW-S703F, NW-E005, NW-S205F, and so on and so on....

OldTimey
Aug 29, 2007, 03:30 PM
Not including wifi in the iPod is going to do very little to help iPhone sales. You may be sitting on the fence but I'm willing to bet that a lot of people aren't.

Maybe, but you don't know that. You aren't looking at the big picture.

Apple wants to sell 10 million iPhones. (A very simple example, that doesn't take into account a multitude of factors, but for the sake of argument, bear with me) say .1% of potential buyers (thats one tenth of a percent for those bad at math) is on the fence, like i am. That's 10,000 potential 2 year contracts with ATT that won't get signed...or 20,000,000 dollars not going to ATT coffers...business is ALL about targeting the right audience, and weighing the tradeoffs of one technology vs. the other, in respect to how much MONEY you are going to make. It isn't about what is feasible with current technology, or what mac fanboys and girls "want."

(btw, a lot of apple's market doesn't read rumor sites, so they have no idea a new ipod is about to come out, and therefore, are "on the fence" they just don't know it yet).


I won't argue that you're alone but you're certainly not the majority.

as i pointed out above, no crap im not in the majority, but that doesn't matter. There only needs to be a small number of people "on the fence" to make a REAL difference.

bottom line:

iPod with WIFI:

1) It won't help iPhone sales. (no arguing that)
2) It Will make those on the fence perhaps buy the WIFI iPod, instead of the iPhone....THEREFORE (drumroll)...hurting iPhone sales. And as I showed above, if Apple misses their sales mark of 10,000,000 iphones, even by .1%, hell, even by .01%, that potentially means millions of lost revenue to ATT over the next couple years.


Again...I'm not saying there will be no WIFI on the iPod...I HOPE THERE IS BECAUSE...it is exactly what I want.

It's just plain shortsighted to state that a such a device would not dip into iPhone sales. If Apple has run the numbers, and concluded that having a WIFI iPod alongside the iPhone, in the end, will make MORE money than a non-WIFI ipod alongside the iPhone, then, and only then will there be a wifi iPod. And because of their partnership with ATT, they must work in concert for mutual benefit. Otherwise they will alienate ATT and the business world will not be happy.

Remember apple fanboys and fangirls:

If you don't own shares of APL, then Apple really doesn't care about "what you want!"

OldTimey
Aug 29, 2007, 03:32 PM
I don't see how it helps Apple as a company in the long run to make products which their users don't want and hope they buy them anyways, rather than to make products which their users actually want.

It reads like you think Apple will compromise a vastly more popular product in order force people to buy a less popular product. I don't understand why Apple might think this is good business practice.

I don't know if the new iPods will have wifi either. If it doesn't though, I don't think this will be the reason.

so what would be the reasoning then?

like ive said, its all about the numbers. if apple runs them, and they add up, and ATT says "ok" then it will happen. otherwise, it's not happening.

jasonsyth
Aug 29, 2007, 03:32 PM
Besides the iPods that everyone is expecting, I wouldn't be surprised if Steve announced that Safari for Windows is moving out of beta and that the final product will be available for download.

More importantly, I would love to see that his "one more thing" surprise is that Leopard will be available that day, about a month earlier than the currently expected ship date.

OldTimey
Aug 29, 2007, 03:33 PM
So you want an iPhone with a hard drive in it.

I think that's what EVERYONE wants.

Bring it on Apple! PLEASSEEEE!!!

Yes, this is what i want, but only if it is about as big as the current 30g ipod!

CmdrLaForge
Aug 29, 2007, 03:34 PM
I have an iPod HiFi. I use it for my bedroom stereo and alarm clock. I like it a lot and think it sounds and looks great.

Me too - I love my iPod HiFi. It perfectly fits my needs.