Latest state to OK gay marriage is..........Iowa? [Archive]

Dont Hurt Me

Aug 30, 2007, 07:29 PM

yg17

Aug 30, 2007, 07:41 PM

Govt should stay out of peoples lives, that is freedom isnt it. Though Im very happily married to the woman I love I see no reason why govt should tell anyone how to live their life. Govt is loaded with hypocrites as we see all the time.

I'm not gay, so this doesn't effect me, but I agree. The government shouldn't care what 2 people want to do, and if they want to get married, let them. Besides, shouldn't they have the right to be miserable just like all the other hetero married couples :D

ErikCLDR

Aug 30, 2007, 08:05 PM

I agree.

I am not gay, but I don't think the government should be able to decide what people want to do. And really, why can't two men or women get married while 16 year old boys can marry 50 year old women (I was watching Maury the other day haha) or even 20 year old women to 70 year old men.

iTeen

Aug 30, 2007, 08:53 PM

i think this is sick and wrong...however...America is a free country...

KristieMac

Aug 30, 2007, 09:00 PM

This is great news!!!

Now if the rest of the country and world would catch up to this century, everyone would be set to go.

aquajet

Aug 30, 2007, 09:22 PM

i think this is sick and wrong...however...America is a free country...

I agree -- allowing two adults who love each other to build a lifelong relationship, perhaps even rear children, and establish proper legal protections is really sick and disgusting.

iTeen

Aug 30, 2007, 09:24 PM

I agree -- allowing two adults who love each other to build a lifelong relationship, perhaps even rear children, and establish proper legal protections is really sick and disgusting.
...its wrong in so many ways...

leekohler

Aug 30, 2007, 09:26 PM

i think this is sick and wrong...however...America is a free country...

You can think whatever you want, just so long as you don't force your beliefs on others. And yes, at least Iowa has realized this is a free country.

You are soooo right my friend...its wrong in so many ways...

You obviously missed aquajet's sarcasm. He's one of us evil people. :rolleyes:

iTeen

Aug 30, 2007, 09:32 PM

You can think whatever you want, just so long as you don't force your beliefs on others. And yes, at least Iowa has realized this is a free country.

You obviously missed aquajet's sarcasm. He's one of us evil people. :rolleyes:
yes...i agree...they are going 2 do it anyway...y not let them...they have a lifefull of problems ahead of them

grafikat

Aug 30, 2007, 09:33 PM

Rock and/or a roll!
GO Iowa!

leekohler

Aug 30, 2007, 09:35 PM

yes...i agree...they are going 2 do it anyway...y not let them...they have a lifefull of problems ahead of them

And just how many gay people do you know? I'm 40 and doing pretty darn good, and so are most other gay people I know. I know more gay couples who are happy in relationships over 25 years than I can count. Get to know us, we're a pretty nice bunch of folks.

yg17

Aug 30, 2007, 09:38 PM

they have a lifefull of problems ahead of them

Well considering we have a divorce rate of what, 50% or something, a married gay couple probably won't have any more problems ahead of them than a married straight couple :rolleyes:

iTeen

Aug 30, 2007, 09:41 PM

And just how many gay people do you know? I'm 40 and doing pretty darn good, and so are most other gay people I know. I know more gay couples who are happy in relationships over 25 years than I can count. Get to know us, we're a pretty nice bunch of folks.
it is against all i know as a believer in the Bible...i'm not going 2 accept as a "nice way of life"...God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and steve. The normal life span of a gay man is around 50 years...seach it on google.

Fearless Leader

Aug 30, 2007, 09:42 PM

whats the divorce rate for gay couples? It's probably lower than hetero couples. Makes our life choice not very evil.

noaccess

Aug 30, 2007, 09:43 PM

leekohler

Aug 30, 2007, 09:45 PM

it is against all i know as a believer in the Bible...i'm not going 2 accept as a "nice way of life"...God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and steve. The normal life span of a gay man is around 50 years...seach it on google.

Oh here we go! I'm too tired to explain this one away, I've had to do it so many times. Can someone else do it? I had a long day at work and I'm exhausted. Come on guys, help iTeen out. I get tired of convincing people we aren't evil all the time. ;)

yg17

Aug 30, 2007, 09:47 PM

it is against all i know as a believer in the Bible...i'm not going 2 accept as a "nice way of life"...God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and steve. The normal life span of a gay man is around 50 years...seach it on google.

But christians preach that we're all god's creations, so that means that he created my friend Steve, and he also created that other guy named Adam. So he did in fact create Adam and Steve.

Fearless Leader

Aug 30, 2007, 09:48 PM

Ugg

Aug 30, 2007, 09:48 PM

it is against all i know as a believer in the Bible...i'm not going 2 accept as a "nice way of life"...God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and steve. The normal life span of a gay man is around 50 years...seach it on google.

Ah, the bible trumps common sense and the teachings of jesus... I love it!

I wonder what the average lifespan of a xian hater is?
Hatred kills more than love does...

On topic, it makes me somewhat proud of my nominal Iowa heritage.

Glad to hear that discrimination is being viewed for what it is.

yg17

Aug 30, 2007, 09:50 PM

I get tired of convincing people we aren't evil all the time. ;)

Yeah, you gay people aren't evil when you're not spreading teh ghey cooties to good, wholesome, god fearing christians :rolleyes: :D

iTeen

Aug 30, 2007, 09:50 PM

But christians preach that we're all god's creations, so that means that he created my friend Steve, and he also created that other guy named Adam. So he did in fact create Adam and Steve.
i forgot 2 mention in the creation of the earth...sry

grafikat

Aug 30, 2007, 09:52 PM

Hmmm.

Guess what Mr "Adam and Steve"

Did you know that only 33% of the world are Christians? Do the Math.

You ARE in the Minority after 2000 years...

And I do recall a "cast the first stone" quote from some very wise man.

It would be nice if Folks would listen to the the words of the man, and not the patron saint of salesman that convoluted his teachings to sell it to the rest of the world <end soap box>

iTeen

Aug 30, 2007, 09:53 PM

Oh here we go! I'm too tired to explain this one away, I've had to do it so many times. Can someone else do it? I had a long day at work and I'm exhausted. Come on guys, help iTeen out. I get tired of convincing people we aren't evil all the time. ;)
i agree...you people arn't evil....i merely disagree with your way of life:cool:
end of discussion

leekohler

Aug 30, 2007, 09:54 PM

Yeah, you gay people aren't evil when you're not spreading teh ghey cooties to good, wholesome, god fearing christians :rolleyes: :D

OK- that woke me up! Haha! Thanks for the laugh. :) I just got home a bit ago- tough, long day. Why- I didn't even have time to go to the bath house for an anonymous BJ! Damn- I'm gonna have to quit that job! I mean gosh- I could be out spreading diseases instead of working! :D

Oh- and iTeen, that was what we call a joke. ;)

iTeen

Aug 30, 2007, 09:57 PM

OK- that woke me up! Haha! Thanks for the laugh. :) I just got home a bit ago- tough, long day. Why- I didn't even have time to go to the bath house for an anonymous BJ! Damn- I'm gonna have to quit that job! I mean gosh- I could be out spreading diseases instead of working! :D

Oh- and iTeen, that was what we call a joke. ;) um huh...lol...i get it.

zap2

Aug 30, 2007, 09:59 PM

Well, a big suprised, however very glad to here it

Equal Right, we're one step close(but we have a LONG arse road ahead)

leekohler

Aug 30, 2007, 09:59 PM

um huh...lol...i get it.

Somehow I doubt it. There was a point being made.

Well, a big suprised, however very glad to here it

Equal Right, we're one step close(but we have a LONG arse road ahead)

Yes we do. But we're going to get there eventually. This is a very promising ruling. Ok, time for bed. Talk to you all tomorrow!

iTeen

Aug 30, 2007, 10:01 PM

Somehow I doubt it. There was a point being made.

i have my personal opinions...thats whats great about the USA...you people have your rights as well:cool:

.Andy

Aug 30, 2007, 10:03 PM

i have my personal opinions...thats whats great about the USA...you people have your rights as well:cool:
Except for some rights Leek doesn't have because he's gay.

grafikat

Aug 30, 2007, 10:04 PM

There was a time when it was against the law when black and whites couldn't marry. And the "righteous" pointed the "word" then too.

gaw, I need to take a step back.

latergator116

Aug 30, 2007, 10:19 PM

God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and steve.

Can't argue with that logic guys!

Macky-Mac

Aug 30, 2007, 11:31 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/30/iowa.samesexmarriage/index.html

Definitely good news. And Iowa is rather surprising, but perhaps if a state as red as Iowa can do this, others can too.

maybe a bit of a premature celebration....it's only a state district court, not the state supreme court, so the matter is far from resolved......and I think it's going a bit far to say that "Iowa" did such and such when what "Iowa" (the state government) did was to OPPOSE striking down the law against allowing gay marriage

beyond that, it's good news

Leareth

Aug 30, 2007, 11:46 PM

Fearless Leader

Aug 30, 2007, 11:49 PM

Can't argue with that logic guys!

I think I did...

Leareth

Aug 30, 2007, 11:51 PM

This is great for the citizens of that state.

We have had gay marriages/unions for a while now ( since 2003) and despite what the conservatives proclaimed the world has not ended nor has the sky fallen.
One of my friends is about to celebrate his second wedding anniversary, another friend is getting married to her partner of 11 years next week.

Finally they get the legal recognition that is needed.
And funny enough my neighbours who have been married 6 years are getting divorced right now. It throwing the judge off stride.

hulugu

Aug 31, 2007, 12:10 AM

it is against all i know as a believer in the Bible...i'm not going 2 accept as a "nice way of life"...God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and steve. The normal life span of a gay man is around 50 years...seach it on google.

You mean the widely disputed data from a New Republic article? Data which was formulated by a man who was booted from the American Psychological Association for serious flaws in his research techniques? I think you might want to hang your hat on more than the data of one disreputable researcher and the rambling of biblical-era scribes.

iTeen

Aug 31, 2007, 12:14 AM

iTeen , Just out of curiosity

Do you believe that the creation story in the Bible is real?

Have you ever read the bible in Church Latin? > words taken on a whole different translation there. rather than reading someones interpretation of them.

Do you personally know any gay/lesbian couples?
i will be honest...no and no. as i said they have there rights. thanks for everybody caring so much however

You mean the widely disputed data from a New Republic article? Data which was formulated by a man who was booted from the American Psychological Association for serious flaws in his research techniques? I think you might want to hang your hat on more than the data of one disreputable researcher and the rambling of biblical-era scribes.
thankyou for the update...i read that a number of years ago and its good 2 know that it has changed

Except for some rights Leek doesn't have because he's gay.

he does in iowa:o

Can't argue with that logic guys! i think someone did:rolleyes:

yg17

Aug 31, 2007, 12:21 AM

he does in iowa:o

He should have them in the other 49 states too.

taylorwilsdon

Aug 31, 2007, 12:37 AM

Personally, I could give two poops if butt buddies can file a joint return. Its none of my business and its certainly within your constitutional rights to marry as far as I'm aware. Hell, I don't think we should be allowed to marry with the divorce rate as it is.

I can understand (but perhaps not agree) with people being anti-gay because they're bias through upbringing or just plain hateful but if your reasoning is religious, then thats just silly. I guess that falls under upbringing, but damn - get this: the bible wasn't written in English. Somebody (somebodies, I should say) translated it into English at some point in history, but get this - people actually CHANGE things to fit their own agenda. And really, show me one place in the bible that actually says being gay is a problem in the first place.

Being uninformed is no excuse for discrimination.

Fearless Leader

Aug 31, 2007, 01:05 AM

He should have them in the other 49 states too.

we don't in 48/47 other states right? not 49

Leareth

Aug 31, 2007, 01:06 AM

get this: the bible wasn't written in English. Somebody (somebodies, I should say) translated it into English at some point in history, but get this - people actually CHANGE things to fit their own agenda. And really, show me one place in the bible that actually says being gay is a problem in the first place.

Being uninformed is no excuse for discrimination.

Thank you for supporting my point above.
English is not the original language it was written in. It had been interpereted and translated by someone.

I speak 5 languages and I know that despite my best efforts I do add my personality and biases to my translations. And I know certain words and concepts have no equals in other languages.

I am not a Christian but I made the effort to read the Bible in 7 languages, guess what? they are some differences in the translations and emphasis in a large number of the passages. So which is the right one?

yg17

Aug 31, 2007, 01:28 AM

we don't in 48/47 other states right? not 49

You're right, I think it's somewhere around 47 or so. Which is 47 or so too many.

I never have and never will understand why people are against gay marriage or homosexuality in general. "Because the bible says so" isn't a good enough answer. If us straight people can marry the person we love (and then a few years later, hate them and lose half our stuff to them :D) why can't you guys? I just don't see what the big ********* deal is. It's legal in many other countries and the world hasn't come to and end now, has it?

G5Unit

Aug 31, 2007, 01:41 AM

I think iTeen is a good person, he has his own beliefs, and isn't forcing it down other people's thoughts. Most people are incapable of that.

On the other hand, I am for gay marriage.

biturbomunkie

Aug 31, 2007, 03:29 AM

hmmm... good to know, but seems like the battle isn't exactly over yet.

it is against all i know as a believer in the Bible...i'm not going 2 accept as a "nice way of life"...God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and steve. The normal life span of a gay man is around 50 years...seach it on google.

dude u 4 realz?? lolz... do a seach on gerry studds, larry craig, mark foley, jim mcgreevey... srsly!1!!1! ;)

solvs

Aug 31, 2007, 03:29 AM

I'm not gay, so this doesn't effect me
Sure it does. We all gets rights or none of do. I get your point though, just giving you a hard time. ;)

um huh...lol...i get it.
I don't think you do.

But I'll let it go since you at least understand that not everyone feels the way you do about "them".

I never have and never will understand why people are against gay marriage or homosexuality in general.
Because 2 dudes doin' it is icky?

2 chicks, on the other hand, is awesome. :p

Queso

Aug 31, 2007, 04:09 AM

..God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and steve....
Which begs the question where Steve came from. Perhaps he just evolved through natural selection like the rest of life on Earth :D

teflon

Aug 31, 2007, 04:40 AM

Theoretically, can't all the gay couples drive to the states that do allow them to be married and get married? Yes, they should be able to get married at whatever state they want, but for the time being, it seems like a pretty good solution. Plus, when the government sees that allowing gay couples marry won't flood the world, and it's not like not letting them marry in certain states is stopping them from marrying, they'll probably give up and let gay marriage be legal. I never understood the point of not letting gays/lesbians marry. To stop homosexuality? It's not like stopping people from getting married will change their sexuality. If you're not gay, you're not gay. Legalizing gay marriage won't make you gay. On the other hand, if you're gay, you're gay. Not legalizing gay marriage won't make you not gay. Some people just don't get it for some reason. I talked to this girl, and she's like "legalizing gay marriages will make everyone gay! Like if you hang around gay people and stuff, you'll turn gay!" I was like... :confused::confused::confused: I guess they're the same people who thinks being gay is a choice.

atszyman

Aug 31, 2007, 08:13 AM

God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

I've heard this quote 100 times if I've heard it once... I know a lot of the time it's used tongue in cheek but the creation story is hardly a good example of "moral" behavior...

Adam and Eve had 3 sons, Cain, Abel, and Seth. Cain killed Abel so the entirety of the human race rested on Seth, who either did his mom, or unnamed sisters to continue on the blood line.

Sure there was no guy on guy sex, but the implied incest goes on for generations until there would actually be enough distance between relations to be socially acceptable by todays standards...

Queso

Aug 31, 2007, 08:18 AM

I've heard this quote 100 times if I've heard it once... I know a lot of the time it's used tongue in cheek but the creation story is hardly a good example of "moral" behavior...

Adam and Eve had 3 sons, Cain, Abel, and Seth. Cain killed Abel so the entirety of the human race rested on Seth, who either did his mom, or unnamed sisters to continue on the blood line.

Sure there was no guy on guy sex, but the implied incest goes on for generations until there would actually be enough distance between relations to be socially acceptable by todays standards...
If I were you I wouldn't give the story that much thought. It didn't actually happen :p

yg17

Aug 31, 2007, 08:28 AM

If I were you I wouldn't give the story that much thought. It didn't actually happen :p

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/298994067_5bdd356e05_o.jpg

atszyman

Aug 31, 2007, 09:16 AM

If I were you I wouldn't give the story that much thought. It didn't actually happen :p

Trust me I realize that, but when the Adam and Steve defense is brought up as proof that God wanted it to be heterosexual relationships only, by someone who does believe it, it just irks me that they conveniently leave out the implied incest....

adrianblaine

Aug 31, 2007, 09:50 AM

I've personally read through the Bible a lot over the last 18 or so years, and I have not once found where in the Bible it condemns gay people. The Bible is against sexual immorality, which means sex outside of marriage. The Bible clearly states that the sex was meant to be shared between 2 people and to never leave the confines of those 2 people. Therefore, a heterosexual person with multiple partners is committing the same sin as a homosexual person with multiple partners.

yg17

Aug 31, 2007, 11:10 AM

http://www.kcci.com/family/14020652/detail.html

edit: just click the link to view the story, Firefox keeps screwing with the formatting whenever I paste

leekohler

Aug 31, 2007, 11:44 AM

Let's hope this stands as is. We need this now more than ever.

PlaceofDis

Aug 31, 2007, 11:46 AM

i want to know why this hasn't gone through in IL.

it hasn't really even been discussed as far as i know. :rolleyes:

leekohler

Aug 31, 2007, 11:50 AM

i want to know why this hasn't gone through in IL.

it hasn't really even been discussed as far as i know. :rolleyes:

Actually, there's a civil unions bill quietly working it's way through congress here. Shh! It's doing rather well staying under the radar. ;)

PlaceofDis

Aug 31, 2007, 12:52 PM

Actually, there's a civil unions bill quietly working it's way through congress here. Shh! It's doing rather well staying under the radar. ;)

ah didn't hear about that. good to know.

leekohler

Aug 31, 2007, 12:53 PM

ah didn't hear about that. good to know.

It's been in the paper a few times, but for some reason, no one raises a stink. That should tell you some good things about where we live.

imac/cheese

Aug 31, 2007, 12:59 PM

Have you ever read the bible in Church Latin? > words taken on a whole different translation there. rather than reading someones interpretation of them.

Actually the Bible wasn't written in Church Latin either. It was written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, but I understand your point about translation and interpretation.

iTeen

Aug 31, 2007, 01:03 PM

Actually the Bible wasn't written in Church Latin either. It was written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, but I understand your point about translation and interpretation.
yes i have heard that the original Hebrew version is much different than the english version:rolleyes:
i wish i cld speak hebrew:eek:

aquajet

Aug 31, 2007, 01:04 PM

i agree...you people arn't evil....i merely disagree with your way of life:cool:
end of discussion

No less than four gay men have posted in this thread thus far. And while I don't know the personal coming-of-age story of anyone here except myself, I doubt any of us would view our homosexuality as anything less than integral to our identity. Being gay is no more a way of life than being straight -- neither of which tell us anything more than to which sex a person is attracted. It's like saying being black or white is a way of life, which sounds pretty silly to me.

leekohler

Aug 31, 2007, 01:13 PM

No less than four gay men have posted in this thread thus far. And while I don't know the personal coming-of-age story of anyone here except myself, I doubt any of us would view our homosexuality as anything less than integral to our identity. Being gay is no more a way of life than being straight -- neither of which tell us anything more than to which sex a person is attracted. It's like saying being black or white is a way of life, which sounds pretty silly to me.

I tried to make that point in the form of a joke earlier, but to no avail. The point was obviously lost. So iTeen doesn't think we're evil, just "sick and wrong". I'm trying to find the difference between the two.

As for people being entitled to their own opinions, yes they are. But when an opinion is based on nothing more than "what the Bible says" or "how I was raised" and not on evidence or personal experience, I'd say that opinion is quite suspect. That's all I'll say about that.

adrianblaine

Aug 31, 2007, 01:16 PM

But when an opinion is based on nothing more than "what the Bible says" or "how I was raised" and not on evidence or personal experience, I'd say that opinion is quite suspect.

I don't know if people missed my post earlier, but the Bible doesn't say so.

leekohler

Aug 31, 2007, 01:19 PM

I don't know if people missed my post earlier, but the Bible doesn't say so.

Yeah, I did and I've known for years that it doesn't say that. That won't keep people from saying it does though. If they can use the Bible to justify their fears and prejudices, they will.

Mac-Addict

Aug 31, 2007, 01:38 PM

I was about to say I hate people who believe in the Bible but I just realized that would make me as bad as the people who hate gay people.. so for once I am just going to say something I learnt from South Park. You don't have to tolerate people for their homosexuality you just have to accept it and don't force your beliefs on to other people.
I think that made sense...

Queso

Aug 31, 2007, 01:40 PM

I was about to say I hate people who believe in the Bible
He he. Hate the delusion, not the deluded ;) :p

Mac-Addict

Aug 31, 2007, 01:45 PM

He he. Hate the delusion, not the deluded ;) :p

I don't hate anyone or anything :D I respect everyone and everything but if they don't respect me for how I was born they can go **** themselves :D

leekohler

Aug 31, 2007, 01:48 PM

I don't hate anyone or anything :D I respect everyone and everything but if they don't respect me for how I was born they can go **** themselves :D

Haha! Well, well...you must have taken your vitamins today! You're very spunky! :)

adrianblaine

Aug 31, 2007, 03:12 PM

Same-sex marriages halted in Iowa (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/08/31/iowa.samesex.ap/index.html)

I didn't see that coming so soon...

PlaceofDis

Aug 31, 2007, 03:18 PM

Same-sex marriages halted in Iowa (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/08/31/iowa.samesex.ap/index.html)

I didn't see that coming so soon...

some intense hate coming from their governor and representative.

Queso

Aug 31, 2007, 03:22 PM

Republican House Minority Leader Christopher Rants, said the ruling illustrates the need for a state constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.

"I can't believe this is happening in Iowa," Rants said. "I guarantee you there will be a vote on this issue come January," when the Legislature convenes.
Beginning to get desperate about how the world is going aren't they? Almost as if they know that if they don't rush this through now the public won't care enough in five years time...

leekohler

Aug 31, 2007, 03:44 PM

Same-sex marriages halted in Iowa (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/08/31/iowa.samesex.ap/index.html)

I didn't see that coming so soon...

Now it's time for the hatemongers to trot out their bigotry while defending it as "against their religion". :rolleyes: The ugliness is just about to start. Ugh- this all makes me so sad.

latergator116

Aug 31, 2007, 04:33 PM

I think I did...

I was being sarcastic.

Leareth

Aug 31, 2007, 08:14 PM

Actually the Bible wasn't written in Church Latin either. It was written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, but I understand your point about translation and interpretation.

I picked church latin on purpose because that it the version all modern translations come from - so it is as "pure" as we can get.
If that version is the base line it is easy to see the changes made with each translation.

stillwater

Sep 1, 2007, 10:13 AM

If some of these people who are so afraid of gay marriage would come visit Massachusetts. They would see that society has not crumbled.

My wife and I will be celebrating our tenth anniversary in a couple of weeks and the fact that gay couples can marry hasn't had any impact on our marriage at all. I mean, How could it?

I had the pleasure of attending the wedding of two women a while back and it was a very happy occasion.

Queso

Sep 1, 2007, 10:18 AM

If some of these people who are so afraid of gay marriage would come visit Massachusetts. They would see that society has not crumbled.
It hasn't collapsed in Belgium, Holland or Spain either. Those people would also be surpised to learn that it didn't lead to legalised bestiality nor polygamous marriage, both of which are used in the oft quoted "where does it end?" argument as to why gay marriage shouldn't be allowed.

zap2

Sep 1, 2007, 02:40 PM

I can't believe this is happening in Iowa

Nor can I!

Although his response and mine are very different!

solvs

Sep 4, 2007, 12:40 AM

Theoretically, can't all the gay couples drive to the states that do allow them to be married and get married?
Yes, but they aren't always recognized in other states.

Legalizing gay marriage won't make you gay.
No, but it does legitimize it, which makes a lot of people uneasy.

I didn't see that coming so soon...
Hm, sadly I'm not surprised, but I'm sure the fight will go on.

Almost as if they know that if they don't rush this through now the public won't care enough in five years time...
I wouldn't have given it that much time, but now I'm not so sure.

I had the pleasure of attending the wedding of two women a while back and it was a very happy occasion.
There's a dirty joke in there somewhere.

stillwater

Sep 4, 2007, 07:00 PM

There's a dirty joke in there somewhere.

Hey, I said happy occasion, not happy ending. ;)

kainjow

Sep 4, 2007, 07:30 PM

You don't have to tolerate people for their homosexuality you just have to accept it and don't force your beliefs on to other people.
I think that made sense...

Tolerating is accepting something.

If I'm not tolerating your smoking in my house, I do not accept it.

So, from my view, your sentence doesn't make sense :p

leekohler

Sep 4, 2007, 07:56 PM

Tolerating is accepting something.

If I'm not tolerating your smoking in my house, I do not accept it.

So, from my view, your sentence doesn't make sense :p

So do you have particular stance on the issue?

kainjow

Sep 4, 2007, 08:17 PM

So do you have particular stance on the issue?

Do you mean on gay marriage?

Or on tolerating smoking? ;)

leekohler

Sep 4, 2007, 08:18 PM

Do you mean on gay marriage? Or on tolerating smoking? ;)

Gay marriage. I think I know your answer on smoking.

grafikat

Sep 4, 2007, 08:23 PM

I am strictly against smoking in a gay marriage :p

That being said,
Smoking in your house...up to you
Smoking in my house...no way
Marrying the one you love....Shouldn't even be a question :(

leekohler

Sep 4, 2007, 08:28 PM

I am strictly against smoking in a gay marriage :p

That being said,
Smoking in your house...up to you
Smoking in my house...no way
Marrying the one you love....Shouldn't even be a question :(

Of course it shouldn't. But for some reason, people are fascinated by what goes on in other's lives, and determined to stop it even though it has nothing to do with them.

kainjow

Sep 4, 2007, 08:34 PM

Gay marriage. I think I know your answer on smoking.

Well I grew up in a conservative Christian household, being taught that homosexuality was wrong. Since I've been living on my own for the last few years, my opinions have changed. And my opinion of what government's role has changed also.

Let me just say this. I'd rather have a kid grow up with two parents, no matter if they're gay or straight, than one parent.

By the way, for you previous posters who say the Bible doesn't mention anything about homosexuality, a five-second search on BibleGateway.com (http://biblegateway.com) brought up this:

1 Corinthians 6:9 (New International Version)

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

leekohler

Sep 4, 2007, 08:37 PM

Well I grew up in a conservative Christian household, being taught that homosexuality was wrong. Since I've been living on my own for the last few years, my opinions have changed. And my opinion of what government's role has changed also.

Let me just say this. I'd rather have a kid grow up with two parents, no matter if they're gay or straight, than one parent.

By the way, for you previous posters who say the Bible doesn't mention anything about homosexuality, a five-second search on BibleGateway.com (http://biblegateway.com) brought up this:

Read the previous posters' comments carefully. They are talking about the direct translation from Hebrew.

kainjow

Sep 4, 2007, 08:42 PM

Marrying the one you love....Shouldn't even be a question :(

Unless that one is a) already married, b) a family member, c) your pet, or d) dead. :p

TheAnswer

Sep 4, 2007, 09:26 PM

I am strictly against smoking in a gay marriage :p

What's wrong with smoking the one you love? :D

Especially if he's a diminutive man from Poland.

/subtle

leekohler

Sep 4, 2007, 09:36 PM

Well I grew up in a conservative Christian household, being taught that homosexuality was wrong. Since I've been living on my own for the last few years, my opinions have changed. And my opinion of what government's role has changed also.

Let me just say this. I'd rather have a kid grow up with two parents, no matter if they're gay or straight, than one parent.

I grew up in a conservative Christian household as well- didn't make me straight. ;) Glad to see it didn't completely form your opinions for life. Good for you for thinking for yourself. It can be frustrating when people hide behind the religion excuse sometimes. Talking about these things is the best way to get people to understand us a bit more, so any dialogue is welcome. I think iTeen may have even softened up a bit.

FreeState

Sep 4, 2007, 10:27 PM

1 Corinthians 6:9 (New International Version)

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

See heres the problem - the word homosexaul and the concept behind it did not exist util the late 1800s. So either Paul was talking about something that did not exist yet - or he was talking about something else - the word there actually translates to effeminate - wonder why effeminate would be listed next to male prostitutes...

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=homosexual&searchmode=none
The noun is first recorded 1912 in Eng., 1907 in French. In technical use, either male or female; but in non-technical use almost always male. Slang shortened form homo first attested 1929. The alternative homophile (1960) was coined in ref. to the homosexual regarded as a person of a particular social group, rather than a sexual abnormality. Homo-erotic first recorded 1916; homophobia is from 1969.

wmmk

Sep 4, 2007, 10:50 PM

Unless that one is a) already married, b) a family member, c) your pet, or d) dead. :p

I'm not going to say I'm for or against any of these things, but how do we come to the conclusion that an unmarried live human male can marry an unmarried live human male or live human female and an unmarried live human female can marry an unmarried live human female or an unmarried live human man, but marriage to and/or by one who is already married, dead, or an animal. I suppose marrying a family member is bad either, but in having children with a family member, one puts their child at increased of mental of physical impairment which is certainly rather selfish.

As to Iowa, that's truly too bad, but I truly believe that the diligent work of the Gay Rights Movement will pay off in the next century in the form of a nation with 50 states, all with legal gay marriage and near universal tolerance and respect. I do hope Illinois continues its legislation toward legal civil unions.

Finally, I really respect iTeen for realizing the insensitivity in some of his/her earlier statements and trying to make amends. I fully understand how difficult this can be.

Peace to all,
wmmk

adrianblaine

Sep 5, 2007, 01:00 AM

I think marriage in general has lost meaning and importance (in the American culture at least). With a divorce rate of 40-50% I'm wondering why a lot of people are dead set in "protecting" marriage when technically God's law is being broken constantly by heterosexuals anyway. While there is a Christian view of marriage, I don't think the government should adhere to a strictly Christian stance on marriage.

solvs

Sep 5, 2007, 01:05 AM

Well, I guess we can thank the Republicans, neocons in particular, for what will eventually be a right most of us won't even think about.

Let me explain. They have screwed up so many other things, and have so many scandals (many of them very ironic and hypocritical given the subject) that people are actively turning away from what they've been preaching and realizing we have more important things to deal with. Sure, the Dems are being overly cautious, but even with the speed bumps, it's an eventuality and none of us will care enough to want to stop it. We barely do now. Let them keep digging the hole, the pendulum is swinging the other way finally, and along with things like healthcare reform and Global Climate Change, both of which people are now realizing actually affect them, the country is slowly sliding toward the Dems side on these types of issues. Well, actually, they're just sliding away from the neocons, but same outcome.

So here's hoping the neocons keep screwing up, the rest of the Repubs wise up, and the Dems actually do something that makes the rest of us want to vote for them.

AHDuke99

Sep 6, 2007, 05:14 PM

great! another activist judge putting his own agenda in front of the constitution. another victory for the liberals!

skunk

Sep 6, 2007, 05:22 PM

I picked church latin on purpose because that it the version all modern translations come from - so it is as "pure" as we can get.
If that version is the base line it is easy to see the changes made with each translation.The New Testament was written in Greek, not Latin, and it is from the Greek that subsequent translations come.

j26

Sep 6, 2007, 05:23 PM

.... show me one place in the bible that actually says being gay is a problem in the first place...

Will this do? (http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/homosexuality/lv18_22.html)

TheAnswer

Sep 6, 2007, 05:26 PM

Will this do? (http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/homosexuality/lv18_22.html)

Hmm...I wonder if the carpet matches the drapes.

edit: Wait, It looks like they have blinds instead.

Queso

Sep 6, 2007, 05:27 PM

Will this do? (http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/homosexuality/lv18_22.html)
Leviticus 18:22 does have a point. No way can you get your love broom into a man's front hole, however much lube you use.

Much easier to just go round the back. Trying it as a man would with a woman will just end up with something getting ruptured.

Blue Velvet

Sep 6, 2007, 05:33 PM

Will this do? (http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/homosexuality/lv18_22.html)

So, does that mean all of those who base their behaviour and beliefs on Leviticus mean that you're all going to:

• Examine and dispose of garments to make sure they don't don't mix linen and wool?
• Stop cutting your hair and shaving?
• Start stoning to death those who blaspheme?

No? Thought not.

leekohler

Sep 6, 2007, 05:39 PM

great! another activist judge putting his own agenda in front of the constitution. another victory for the liberals!

You're really going to have to explain this "activist judge" BS to me. There is nothing in their constitution to deny two people of the same sex the right to legally bind their assets. Is the judge supposed to just magically make up something on the spot and say there is? No- that's not how it works in the US. There is something called equal protection under the law. If you want to live in a free country, I suggest you get used to that concept. The judge wasn't subverting the constitution, he was upholding it.

j26

Sep 6, 2007, 05:39 PM

Leviticus 18:22 does have a point. No way can you get your love broom into a man's front hole, however much lube you use.

Much easier to just go round the back. Trying it as a man would with a woman will just end up with something getting ruptured.

:D:D:D

calculus

Sep 6, 2007, 05:40 PM

So, does that mean all of those who base their behaviour and beliefs on Leviticus mean that you're all going to:

• Examine and dispose of garments to make sure they don't don't mix linen and wool?
• Stop cutting your hair and shaving?
• Start stoning to death those who blaspheme?

No? Thought not.

I'm always amazed by how selective some people are regarding their 'definitive way to live' text books...

teflon

Sep 7, 2007, 01:46 AM

No, but it does legitimize it, which makes a lot of people uneasy.

Which I don't get. Gay/lesbians can live together anyways, so they're like a normal couple without the legal paper. What difference does it make to the general public whether or not they have a certificate hanging on their living room wall?

solvs

Sep 7, 2007, 03:26 AM

great! another activist judge putting his own agenda in front of the constitution. another victory for the liberals!
Where in the Constitution does it say anything against gay rights?

As a matter of fact, if you really look at the Constitution, it actually seems to support the judges decision.

Which I don't get. Gay/lesbians can live together anyways, so they're like a normal couple without the legal paper. What difference does it make to the general public whether or not they have a certificate hanging on their living room wall?
Because someone told them God doesn't like it. And they don't like it, because it's different and feels weird to them. So they hide behind the religion to justify their feelings. Even if it's a tenuous argument, as pointed out by BV, because there are other parts in there that are far more important that are easily ignored by those same people. The legal papers make it more legitimate, meaning they have the same rights, and those people don't want that to happen, even though it's none of their business.

Fearless Leader

Sep 7, 2007, 07:21 AM

1 Corinthians 6:9

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

by this we should legalize female prostitution

wow I go away for a couple of days and they changed the law

i didn't know a government agency could act so quickly:rolleyes:

iJon

Sep 7, 2007, 01:20 PM

Where did iTeen go? His ignorance was just getting this thread exciting.

jon

MacRumorUser

Sep 7, 2007, 01:29 PM

it is against all i know as a believer in the Bible...i'm not going 2 accept as a "nice way of life"...God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and steve. The normal life span of a gay man is around 50 years...seach it on google.

OMG!! :eek:

That is hilarious in a really sad and pathetic way.

To some I guess 'ignorance is bliss' - it say's so on google :rolleyes:

By the way do you eat shell fish?