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shake
Aug 13, 2003, 01:31 PM
i was just wondering if apple was still going to be selling the dual g4 towers after the g5's are out. i think the dual g4 tower makes an excellent (cheaper) alternative than a g5 tower. if apple continues to sell/develop these towers, do you guys think apple would eventually use the Motorola 7457's in there? the doubled L2 cache wuld definitely help maybe even a 200mhz bus? or will they just continue to sell the current versions until they run out? these dual g4 machines would suit most people just fine... especially people who want the expandability of a tower (4 hard drives!) and not pay G5 premiums. and at the prices they are at now, it's quite a good deal. it sits in a nice price point between the iMac and G5...

any thoughts?
shake

Lanbrown
Aug 13, 2003, 01:46 PM
A dual G4 7457 would be close to the price of the G5. The current offerings are the older design, not the updated one that unveiled earlier this year, the ones with FW800. I don't foresee them updating the current G4. Right now they sell a dual G4 for ~$3300. Even if they dropped the price, it is still in the G5 territory.

MacsRgr8
Aug 13, 2003, 01:50 PM
You mean something like a Single and Dual 1.4 GHz G4 PPC 7457.... in the current MDD cases?
I wonder... a Dual 1.4 G4 7457 (on 200 MHz bus) vs. Single 1.6 Ghz G5.
What would you buy?
Another question would be: would these "new" G4s be able to boot Mac OS 9, like the old 1.25 GHz can? Some companies are still reluctant to the OS X - leap.... maybe some sales there.

Could be a good idea.... could also be cannibalizing the low-end G5 sales. I dunno.

Lanbrown
Aug 13, 2003, 01:55 PM
Look at the current dual processor G4, it costs more then the Dual G5, but does come with an extra GB of memory though, but still.

shake
Aug 13, 2003, 02:08 PM
i think thats what i meant to say.... single and dual g4 7457's in the current MDD case. i dont mind dropping FW800. would the current motherboards support these chips and will they (could they) use the 200mhz bus?

picture it: an 'inexpensive' mac tower has dual 7457's, ata-100, agp4x, usb, FW400. superdrive optional. i think it's possible... but would these chips raise the price compared to the current dual g4's? i mean, this is old technology! :)

XnavxeMiyyep
Aug 13, 2003, 02:11 PM
If you lower it to 512 MB of RAM, it comes out to $2524. That's more money than the 1.8 GHz G5, and I'm pretty sure the 1.8 GHz is faster.

shake
Aug 13, 2003, 02:18 PM
these prices i pulled from apple's site

***OPTION1 w/Combo Drive
? Dual 1.25GHz w/ 2MB L3 Cache per processor
? 256MB DDR333 SDRAM (PC2700) -1 DIMM
? 80GB Ultra ATA drive
? Optical 1 - Combo Drive (DVD/CD-RW)
? Optical 2 - None
? ATI Radeon 9000 Pro dual-display w/64MB DDR
? 56K internal modem
? Apple Pro Keyboard - U.S. English
? Mac OS - U.S. English

Subtotal $1,599.00

***OPTION2-w/SuperDrive
? Dual 1.25GHz w/ 2MB L3 Cache per processor
? 256MB DDR333 SDRAM (PC2700) -1 DIMM
? 80GB Ultra ATA drive
? Optical 1 - Apple SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW)
? Optical 2 - None
? ATI Radeon 9000 Pro dual-display w/64MB DDR
? 56K internal modem
? Apple Pro Keyboard - U.S. English
? Mac OS - U.S. English

Subtotal $1,799.00


and we all know the prices of the G5 towers.... $1999 (1.6ghz), $2399(1.8ghz),$2999(dual2.0ghz)...

Powerbook G5
Aug 13, 2003, 02:29 PM
Even if they did decide to put the new G4 in them, I would hope they'd focus more on putting them in the new PowerBooks, and possibly a new iMac revision so we don't have sadly limited stock on these. If they start puttinf dual 7457's in older PowerMacs, it would possibly stretch the overall amount they have available for the rest of their products a bit thin.

Lanbrown
Aug 13, 2003, 02:35 PM
I see something different:
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/71207/wo/oE7BWA0pbGnX2dPqjNL1Ga6ih5m/0.0.7.1.0.5.21.1.8.1.0.0.0.1.0


Dual 1.25GHz PowerPC G4
2MB L3 cache/processor
2GB DDR333 SDRAM
2x160GB Ultra ATA drive
SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce4 Titanium
Mac OS 9 boot supported
$3,274.00


1.25GHz PowerPC G4
1MB L3 cache
512MB DDR333 SDRAM
160GB Ultra ATA drive
SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce4 Titanium
Mac OS 9 boot supported
$1,949.00


1.25GHz PowerPC G4
1MB L3 cache
256MB DDR333 SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA drive
Combo Drive
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro
Mac OS 9 boot supported
$1,299.00

shake
Aug 13, 2003, 03:02 PM
Lanbrown,

at the apple store, select the single G4 1.25ghz. on the next page, you can customize it with a dual proc, superdrive, AGP card etc. if you just add a dual proc it's like $1599 and $1799 if you add a superdrive as well. it works out to be cheaper then the other higher end models. however, it does have less RAM and HD space then the high end models, i know, but RAM and HD's are way cheaper when you dont buy them from apple.

ddtlm
Aug 13, 2003, 03:30 PM
Once 7447/7457's are common enough to be cost effective, I'd be surprised if they didn't completely replace older G4's in all of Apple's products. They are drop-in replacements, and Moto will probably stop making the older models.

Sun Baked
Aug 13, 2003, 04:19 PM
A couple of people have said that the OS9 bootable G4 Towers have started showing up in the retail channel again, which is odd.

Could be a chance that the machines will be boosted to 7457s and stick around awhile longer. k-12 still needs them as do the audio crowd and 5v card users.

Powerbook G5
Aug 13, 2003, 04:25 PM
We'll just have to wait and see...but first I'd like them to concentrate on current products before putting the new G4's in older PowerMacs.

pilotgi
Aug 13, 2003, 04:56 PM
Buy a G4 when a G5 is available?

No thanks. And the 1Q of next year we might see 90nm G5's.

When will we see a 90nm G4?

Don't hold your breath.

Powerbook G5
Aug 13, 2003, 05:15 PM
Who knows...if the G4s were even cheaper it may be a good deal, but as it stands, it's hard to justify...

Lanbrown
Aug 14, 2003, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by Sun Baked
A couple of people have said that the OS9 bootable G4 Towers have started showing up in the retail channel again, which is odd.

Could be a chance that the machines will be boosted to 7457s and stick around awhile longer. k-12 still needs them as do the audio crowd and 5v card users.

I agree.

The PM G4 is no longer top of the line and the rest of their lineup can finally get the fastest G4 processors.

macphoria
Aug 14, 2003, 11:56 AM
I think Apple will want to push G5 Power Mac as their top of the line machine. Therefore I don't think they will bother with G4 Power Macs. They might make some available for eduational market, but not for general market.