So Besides the price are you dissapointed in lack of updates?

[Jsimon9633]

ok so i bought this the first day so I got screwed out of 200 dollars.


I am more dissapointed by the lack of anythign that was done as far as a REAL iphone update

I mean no features were added except a FN starbucks button? and a way for me to give them more money?

I mean how about those endless lists of bugs and features we shoudl have already?

I mean come on, I dont even think I will update my phone. I will keep my jailbreaked phones with tons of 3rd party apps.

Apple is trying to sell more phones than concentrate on the nearly 1 million customers of it they already have.

Ridiculous

[brinycbri]

games, i want games...is that too much to ask?

[The General]

Did they say "Updates are coming on September 5th!" when you purchased your iPhone?

[angrygolfer]

I agree. I am really surprised that nothing decent has been pushed yet. Or Maybe thats why they dropped it $200. Maybe we're not gonna see iChat, MMS, Mail fixes, etc. Its obvious we'll get something this month with the Wi-Fi store but I am not holding my breath that there will be anymore then that.

[earthsick]

Apple is trying to sell more phones than concentrate on the nearly 1 million customers of it they already have.

yes...how dare apple want to meet their projected sales goal rather than lose money...;)

[wildcardd]

I am still waiting on active sync so I can connect to my corporate email. *sigh*

[Nall]

I am more dissapointed by the lack of anythign that was done as far as a REAL iphone update

I mean no features were added except a FN starbucks button? and a way for me to give them more money?
The over-the-air iTunes and ringtones are kind of nice (even though the charge stinks). The latter was probably easy to do, but I suspect the former may not have been quite as easy.

Anyway, it's only been... what? two months? Just because no major updates have come so far, doesn't mean they won't.

Personally, I'm hoping for an SDK, MMS, iChat/AIM, and on-iPhone file management; as a developer, I'll buy the rumors that the latter is waiting on Leopard.

games, i want games...is that too much to ask?
Given that the new iPod is basically an iPhone minus the phone part, I suspect this is coming. The existing iPods have games, and there's no way the new ones won't -- but maybe the software for this isn't ready yet. Apple can't change the APIs as easily once third partys are plugged in.

[kaidoy021]

They gave us the ringtone feature. But they better increase the volume so we can hear the phone ring.

[jamesarm97]

Maybe they have been holding off the next 'big' update to the iPhone firmware because it would contain some of the new features in the iPod, and if it came out before the announcement it would let the cat out of the bag. I would think the iPhone would have the same Starbucks / wireless iTunes update that the iPod has.

[brinycbri]

Honestly? I don't think Apple is going to update the iphone dramatically through their updates. Maybe they'll add some features to mirror what's coming out in the ipod touch, but don't expect anything exciting. Just my opinion.

[applehappy]

Yep, pretty disappointed that only new revenue streams for aapl were announced. I get that it's a business, but I expected more....widgets, apps, anything. I love Apple because they aren't always looking for new ways to get my money, and that seems to be changing, or it's becoming more prevelant anyway.

[maccompaq]

Now that the iPhone price has been lowered to $399, just wait. In two months iPhone 2 will be on the market for $149 with a whole lot more new features. Then, who will be pissed?

[tingly]

I'm surprised that they updated anything. It hasn't even been out 3 months yet.

[Jsimon9633]

It sounds like they didnt do as great in sales as they thought if they had to lower the price 2 months in.

I dont care about the price but I mean fixes and glitches should at least be worked on.

I work in software development and fixes and bugs are worked on before features.

I mean starbucks thing? wtf is that anything more than money grubbing?

[GTiPhone]

The ringtone feature is an absolute insult.

EVERYONE with an iPhone that cares about ringtones at all knows ( and probably already used) the FREE, non-hacking tools that are already available.

Truthfully, anyone who uses the ringtone feature in iTunes should have their head examined.

[Island Dog]

I would have been happy if they gave me a way to delete all my mail at one time instead of individually.

[jsw]

Perhaps people should remember that Apple is a business, publicly owned, with a responsibility to make a profit. The iPhone does what it did when you bought it, and the bug list is surprisingly small for such a sophisticated product in a new-for-them field.

I don't understand the anger at them announcing new revenue streams. Nor do I understand the anger at them not adding new features which were never promised.

Anyone who bought the iPhone, especially Rev. A on Day One, had to know they were paying an early adopter tax. Today's announcements simply add new ways for Apple to get revenue. Shocking they'd do that, and shocking people will go for it. :rolleyes:

[Jsimon9633]

I would have been happy if they gave me a way to delete all my mail at one time instead of individually.

Exactly

I mean simple things like that would have been nice.

How about allowing me to flip the keyboard horizontally in mail? Sync Notes....yeah

[artalliance]

The ringtone feature is an absolute insult.

EVERYONE with an iPhone that cares about ringtones at all knows ( and probably already used) the FREE, non-hacking tools that are already available.

Truthfully, anyone who uses the ringtone feature in iTunes should have their head examined.

So what would have been your LEGAL solution? Should Apple give them away for free???

[jsw]

Exactly

I mean simple things like that would have been nice.

How about allowing me to flip the keyboard horizontally in mail? Sync Notes....yeah
Yes, these would all be nice features... but how many of you have bought other phones where the manufacturer added significant feature updates within a few months of launch? How many of you have even upgraded the firmware in any other phone? Few, I'd guess.

They're working to get Leopard out. Then they'll work on the iPhone. I'm sure the feature additions and bug fixes will come.
So what would have been your LEGAL solution? Should Apple give them away for free???
Since the ring tones are 30 seconds or less, I'm not even sure what the legal implications of putting your own ringtones on your own phone would be. I understand Apple's revenue stream, and I strongly suspect a kickback to AT&T that was promised on ringtones. Still, I agree that free tools to add ringtones will probably take a fair bite out of this new service. Had the ringtones been $0.25 or even $0.50, it might be different, but to pay the same price to hear the same song - well, only 30 seconds of it - seems like a bit of a hard sell except, I guess, for people that only want one or two and figure the ease is worth the cost.

[siurpeeman]

i was already happy with the feature set of the iphone, and i'm looking forward to the wifi itunes store. the only thing i really really want is a chat client, and i'll be happy for the remainder of my iphone's life.

[jecapaga]

They gave us the ringtone feature. But they better increase the volume so we can hear the phone ring.

Totally. Being able to hear the phone would be ideal as it currently fails at that most basic function.

[hard-case]

So what would have been your LEGAL solution? Should Apple give them away for free???

How about do what I don't know how many other cell phone manufacturers do? Just give their customers the capability to add what sounds they wish? I've been able to do it with every phone I've owned in the past 7 years, be it Samsung, SE, Nokia, or even Motorola....just crop an MP3 and move it onto the phone. Nice, simple, sweet. And because I can do it right now with songs I've legally purchased from ANY source (be it online or from CD), Apple's efforts end up looking both abysmally amateurish AND for no other reason than to make a fast buck.

It's funny that for all the brouhaha over the $200 thing (I'm miffed but hey, nobody said life's fair!), this is what has me truly steamed: that groups of people that some (including apple) would label as criminals are doing a HELL of a lot better job in raising the quality of the iPhone experience than Apple's own engineers seem to be capable of. In 2 months have Apple given us any major new features? Nup. But these 'hackers' have brought us file system access, massive customization, installation capability, third party apps that don't require airtime or a connection to the net to utilize, and a host of other features. That is sad, bordering on pathetic, and honestly not what I expected of Apple.

[synth3tik]

Anyone expecting a hardware update on the iPhone was just crazy. I did not expect much. I did expect that if they were going to release this wifi music store that they would have had an update ready for the iPhone. Bad planning in my eyes.

[docal97]

I would have to agree with most of the posters that what Apple did today was a unfair. There have been so many requests for just an update to correct software omissions, such as the multiple email deletion problem, that I find it to be understanble but also insulting that Apple would release new features which stand to generate the company additional revenue PRIOR to correcting and addressing the numerous emails with customer feedback that they must have been deluged with since lauch.

And to charge $200 less for the same product that was available 2 months prior is nearly unheard of historically for Apple and possibly the industry as far as I can recall. I could understand a price drop after 6 months or so, but cmon, if the thing was selling as much as expected, would they really cut the price so quickly? Logic says no. So I am not mad at all that I paid the additional money to get the unit on launch day at all, I just feel that it is unfair to alot of the Apple loyalists who waited in line to get their latest invention. And to discontinue the 4 gig unit after only 2 months? If they had no intention of selling it for a normal product cycle, they should have never released it at all(I have the 8 gig and love it).

I suspect that it has something to do with 2 things: 1. less than expected sales, especially with the 4 gig units, and a need to meet analysts expectations. 2. the fact that when the unit was announced in january until lauch day, new flash drive modules became available and made the 4 gig units essentially obsolite by what is available currently. Hense, the new touch screen units only come in 8 gig or 16 gig choices.

[/dev/toaster]

I am rather surprised they didn't release the updates then, seems kind of strange and very last minute.

[whawhat]

def. pissed off about the 200 price cut. kind of felt like a punch in the gut. i usually wait until version 2.0 comes out before making an apple purchase so they can get the kinks out.....should have followed my own advice.....ah well.

in any case, i think there will be major updates, but not until october when leopard is released. would be shocked if nothing came by then.

[Jsimon9633]

I continue to be an apple fan, hell I am posting this from a mbp BUT this was a bit unexpected.

I guess my iPhone will continue to have this screen...

[crunchyoyster]

Well,

Not only did Apple have to drop iPhone prices to meet expectations, but they also couldn't sell a $599 8GB iPhone next to a $299 8GB touch with MANY of the same features. People wouldn't go for the $300 difference, especially knowing that Apple is making even more money off from the subscription services.

I don't own an iPhone, because I value service, which AT&T just can't deliver. So for me, even $1 wouldn't be a good price. This new pricing hopes to capture some of these people who needed an extra incentive to switch providers.

[jt2ga65]

I'm not really disappointed with the lack of updates, as there are plenty of "aftermarket" software available to add almost all the features that I want to the iPhone. The iPhone can be made exactly the way I want it right now. What would I need another update for?

-jt2

[puckhead193]

i'm mad that nothing has been said about europe.... i want a 3g iphone in the states ASAP!

[markiv810]

Apple could have introduced a 16 GB iPhone, how difficult would that have been since Apple already has iPod Touch (which is basically an iPhone). I was expecting 16GB and 32 GB iPod Touch, but what do I know.

[EvilDoc]

Perhaps people should remember that Apple is a business, publicly owned, with a responsibility to make a profit. The iPhone does what it did when you bought it, and the bug list is surprisingly small for such a sophisticated product in a new-for-them field.

I don't understand the anger at them announcing new revenue streams. Nor do I understand the anger at them not adding new features which were never promised.

Anyone who bought the iPhone, especially Rev. A on Day One, had to know they were paying an early adopter tax. Today's announcements simply add new ways for Apple to get revenue. Shocking they'd do that, and shocking people will go for it. :rolleyes:

Amen! I dont think its been put any better. When the iPhone was originally introduced at $599, you people should have stop and thought for a second before rushing out just to have the newest :apple: flavored kool aide ;)

[mpuck972]

I would gladly let them keep the $200 upcharge for:

1. Ringer I can hear outside
2. Bluetooth sync with my laptop
3. A few Games
4. MS Exchange integration

...By the way, I had all that and more on the Treo 700W I gave up because I thought that having an Apple product would mean I would have a cutting edge product that would out perform at the very least a Razr!

[maccompaq]

I am disappointed that a new Mac was not introduced. A headless iMac is needed to entice the legions of Windows users who want to come over to Mac, but there is nothing in the lineup to bring them over.

The stock price took a hit, because there was nothing really interesting introduced yesterday. Investors are waiting for something with more meat than a music player.

[emotion]

When Leopard comes out a host of features will be coming to the iPhone.

I'm waiting on the 16Gb model for UK release :)

[emotion]

The stock price took a hit, because there was nothing really interesting introduced yesterday.

What utter nonsense.

[PowerFullMac]

How do you know they wont put more in that firmware update? The calculator icon changed on the pictures after they announced the update, and notice how the same calculator icon is on the iPod Touch. SO mabee there is more than the Starbucks/iTunes Music Store

[KittyToy]

They gave us the ringtone feature. But they better increase the volume so we can hear the phone ring.

:D that is so funny considering they already had a iphone ringtone maker already out and it only cost 9.99 not to mention you can use free tunes from limewire to make ringtones...all of you are fools if your giving apple any more of your:) money...

[sixth]

1. Ringer I can hear outside
2. Bluetooth sync with my laptop
3. A few Games
4. MS Exchange integration

DEAD ON.

Give us Exchange/ActiveSync/Direct Push support already apple...this supposed to be an email phone...get it TOGETHER!

[vrillusions]

I am disappointed that a new Mac was not introduced. A headless iMac is needed to entice the legions of Windows users who want to come over to Mac, but there is nothing in the lineup to bring them over.

The stock price took a hit, because there was nothing really interesting introduced yesterday. Investors are waiting for something with more meat than a music player.

Apple just released a new iMac. I don't have a link but a recent article said apple laptops had 10% of the market. What I think is making the stock go down is not from the lack of updates--heck there were a ton of ipod updates--but the $200 price drop. To investors (disclaimer: that includes me) that's $200 less in profit on each phone. And now going to offer $100 store credit to previous iphone owners is going to take away even more profit. All that being said, if I had the resources I'd be buying stock like crazy right now because it's going to go up after all the dust settles from this.

Getting back on topic.. yeah I do wish they pushed some significant update, not just a "bug fix." Was also hoping for an official release date on leopard. My guess is this firmware update later in the month is going to coincidentally occur around the same time leopard is released.

[maccompaq]

What utter nonsense.

Did you notice the big jump in stock price when the iPhone was announced in January?

[zedsdead]

My Top Ten:

(1) chapter selection pulldow menu for videos
(2) finder app for iWork/office files/PDF
(3) games
(4) radio
(5) better stability when listening to music and in safari
(6) iPod touch dock and "home button" double tap
(7) support for Apple Tv video specs
(8) iChat
(9) copy / paste function
(10) apple tv remote function / wifi transfers/playback

[d21mike]

Nor do I understand the anger at them not adding new features which were never promised.


I don't agree with this. I have read a number of quotes from SJ about the design of the iPhone being mostly Software and that it will be easy to download new features. Also, they are accounting for the income over 2 years to account for the distribution of new features. Have you not seen any of these?

In any case, there is no excuse for not fixing bugs in a timely manner. They have put out 2 minor bug fixes that do not address a lot of the complaints. My main example is EMAIL. They should address the problems with EMAIL NOW. Starting with Yahoo Push.

[d21mike]

You obviously are not an Apple stockholder. I have over 10,000 shares of Apple stock that I have been acquiring for over 10 years, and I do know the Apple stock market. Stockholders are not interested in new iPods that are for youngsters who do not have enough money to get in the stock market.

Did you notice the big jump in stock price when the iPhone was announced in January? Had a new Mac positioned between Mac Mini and iMac been announced on the 5th, the stock would have shot over $150. But since you do not seem to understand the stock market, I do not expect you to understand what I have said!

I am a recent invester with Apple (since buying the iPhone). I believe "most" of the recent moves have been about the iPhone. The recent jump to 144 was because of the report that the iPhone was out selling all other smart phones. Then the "iPod" conference delivered the BOMB that the iPhone price was being dropped $200 and the price dropped about $9 because the thinking is that sales are NOT as strong as expected. The MAC Market is important but that is not what doubled the stock price over the last 6 months.

[Izzy]

Stockholders are not interested in new iPods that are for youngsters who do not have enough money to get in the stock market.

Shareholders are interested in revenue growth and new iPods will drive some of this growth. The stock went down due to concerns that the $100 rebate and the iPhone price cut will have a negative impact on expected future revenues.

[karlfranz]

2. Bluetooth sync with my laptop


Do you have any idea how slow it would be to do a full sync over bluetooth? We're talking USB 1.1-type speeds.

[constant L]

Do you have any idea how slow it would be to do a full sync over bluetooth? We're talking USB 1.1-type speeds.

thank god someone else mentioned this. i said this in another thread about this very same thing. yes wireless syncing would be nice but only if it was as fast as the wired sync.

[kellen]

I am a recent invester with Apple (since buying the iPhone). I believe "most" of the recent moves have been about the iPhone. The recent jump to 144 was because of the report that the iPhone was out selling all other smart phones. Then the "iPod" conference delivered the BOMB that the iPhone price was being dropped $200 and the price dropped about $9 because the thinking is that sales are NOT as strong as expected. The MAC Market is important but that is not what doubled the stock price over the last 6 months.

Agree. Dropped because of the lowering of the iPhone was seen as an indicator that the iPhone was selling not up to expectations and this expectation was built into the price of the stock.

Still, a report came out they were selling better then other smartphones, but perhaps not up to the numbers that Apple said. (was on money.com).

[emotion]

You obviously are not an Apple stockholder. I have over 10,000 shares of Apple stock that I have been acquiring for over 10 years, and I do know the Apple stock market. Stockholders are not interested in new iPods that are for youngsters who do not have enough money to get in the stock market.

Did you notice the big jump in stock price when the iPhone was announced in January? Had a new Mac positioned between Mac Mini and iMac been announced on the 5th, the stock would have shot over $150. But since you do not seem to understand the stock market, I do not expect you to understand what I have said!

Of course I understand what you're saying (you have no idea of my background, so don't make assumptions). I just don't agree with you.

I was disagreeing that Apple had not released any interesting products the other day. Saying that is utter nonsense.

I'm interested in technology, not stock markets.

Shareholders are interested in revenue growth and new iPods will drive some of this growth. The stock went down due to concerns that the $100 rebate and the iPhone price cut will have a negative impact on expected future revenues.

Exactly right.

The markets are fickle, and are intereacted with by fickle twitchy people (there was a time when Apple shares were worth nothing, I still bought and used Apple products then). If you doubt these products are likely to make Apple money then you don't have a feel for the technology market in which they sit.

[blasius]

i would love updates as much as anyone but at least we have a phone that can be updated period...;)

[propynyl]

but how many of you have bought other phones where the manufacturer added significant feature updates within a few months of launch? How many of you have even upgraded the firmware in any other phone? Few, I'd guess.

Yeah, well most cell phone manufacurers dont broadcast "easy upgradability" as one of the selling points for their phone!

This is all besides the point...it didn't say on the iPhone box "iPod will crash evertime you use safari." (Trust me, if it did I would not have bought it).

People aren't pissed that Apple is trying to make money, we're pissed that they are finding ways to increase their revenue stream in advance of fixing these MAJOR bugs! (Ipod crashing is a MAJOR bug)

[cowm007]

I'm glad they haven't released updates for every nuance of the iPhone. It's a pain to restore every time after hacking it up so I'll gladly stick to monthly updates they've done so far.

[Merlyn3D]

thank god someone else mentioned this. i said this in another thread about this very same thing. yes wireless syncing would be nice but only if it was as fast as the wired sync.

So then be smart about it. Have an option to not sync multimedia data over bluetooth, just PIM info and possibly small ringtones.

[gregneedham]

No.

Your level of disappointment is directly correlated to how soon and how often you THOUGHT they would update.

I didn't expect any updates, and still don't. When they come, that's great, but it's not like I'm checking every week for an update.

[hard-case]

i would love updates as much as anyone but at least we have a phone that can be updated period...;)

Last phone I owned that couldn't be updated was a Motorola StarTac on Verizon Wireless that must have been 9-10 years ago. I had a Samsung i600 smarphone with both firmware and OS updates, a Motorola Razr with several firmware updates, and a Motorola A1200 with several firmware updates. In each case the updates provided both bug fixes and some additional functionality. And comparing, Apple is running about average on updating. With all those phones the 'average' time between updates was 2-3 months.

To me the big difference is that with Apple, they tell you up front about released updates AND you just load iTunes to get them. With all my other phones if you weren't a cellphone web junkie (guilty) you'd never know about them, much less be able to actually find the firmware, find the software to install the firmware, and then find the instructions of how to update it. In that arena Apple DEFINITELY got it right.

[Jsimon9633]

Yeah, well most cell phone manufacurers dont broadcast "easy upgradability" as one of the selling points for their phone!

This is all besides the point...it didn't say on the iPhone box "iPod will crash evertime you use safari." (Trust me, if it did I would not have bought it).

People aren't pissed that Apple is trying to make money, we're pissed that they are finding ways to increase their revenue stream in advance of fixing these MAJOR bugs! (Ipod crashing is a MAJOR bug)


lmao +1