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MacRumors
Sep 6, 2007, 01:16 AM
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iPhoneAtlas compiled (http://www.iphoneatlas.com/2007/09/05/differences-between-the-iphone-and-ipod-touch/) a list of differences between the new iPod Touch and the current iPhone.

Amongst the differences:

- No Email, Maps, Stocks, Weather, or Camera in the iPod Touch
- Double tapping the iPod Touch's Home button twice when it is sleeping brings up touch controls to control your music
- iPod Touch has separate Contacts app and separate Video app. On the iPhone, Contacts is built into the Phone function and Video built into the iPod function.
- No Microphone or Speaker on the iPod Touch
- Headphone jack on bottom of iPod Touch and is not recessed (unlike the iPhone)

Apple has posted a guided tour video (http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/guidedtour/large.html) detailing the functions of the iPod Touch.

Apple is expected to release an iPhone update to add Wi-Fi iTunes song purchases to the iPhone. The "double tap" Home button functionality detailed above could also easily be added in software to a future iPhone update.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2007/09/06/ipod-touch-vs-iphone-differences/)



chr1s60
Sep 6, 2007, 02:25 AM
It seems odd to me that the iPhone software update is coming later this month when the iPod Touch with WiFi store is already shipping. This makes me think that there will be something else included with the update. Maybe another app or some other changes in order to add some more appeal to the phone vs. the touch.

I would like it if they made the bottom dock of the iPhone look like the dock on the iPod Touch. The touch dock is like Leopard, but the iPhone dock is it's own thing.

ariza910
Sep 6, 2007, 02:28 AM
iPod touch also has a leapord style dock with water table reflection

Edit- ha beat me to it, i would like to see the leapord style dock on the iphone as well

siurpeeman
Sep 6, 2007, 02:30 AM
iPod touch also has a leapord style dock with water table reflection

this is something i'd like to see in the iphone.

also, is it me or is there no notes.app in the ipod touch?

illitrate23
Sep 6, 2007, 02:59 AM
i can't see a Notes app on the screenshots of the Touch screens, so i'm guessing it's not on there yet

It seems odd to me that the iPhone software update is coming later this month when the iPod Touch with WiFi store is already shipping.i thought the Touch wasn't shipping until the end of the month? at least that's the date they had on the Apple Store

Loge
Sep 6, 2007, 03:02 AM
I'd really like to see a Notes app, particularly as the old iPods have it, seems a bit of an omission. Even better if they added rich text, and no 4K or so limit.

tmornini
Sep 6, 2007, 03:02 AM
- iPod Touch has separate Contacts app and separate Video app. On the iPhone, Contacts is built into the Phone function and Video built into the iPod function.


Here's hoping this change is made to the iPhone as well.

It absolutely sucks that you cannot access it directly from the main screen, and you cannot edit your contact list while on the phone.

I love the iPhone, but it does need refinement. I have hopes that Apple will fix this, but will be less than 100% satisfied until they do.

sammich
Sep 6, 2007, 03:08 AM
I was hoping the iPod Touch to be far a more PDA like. I would've liked to see it have a microphone (for voice notes) and bluetooth so I can put photos taken from my phone onto it. The touch is now, simply a iPod with a touchscreen, not enough feature-value over the classic.

I'm still torn between the having the 16 gig Touch or the 160gig classic. Oh well, I guess I have until the 28th September to decide :D

netdog
Sep 6, 2007, 03:12 AM
Will there be any way to run Skype or a similarly free telephony program? Clearly, a headset (mic and buds) should work as the 5.5 can accept a mic, but I wonder if we can make free calls when connected via WiFi. That's a deal-maker or breaker for me.

slidingjon
Sep 6, 2007, 03:54 AM
Will there be any way to run Skype or a similarly free telephony program? Clearly, a headset (mic and buds) should work as the 5.5 can accept a mic, but I wonder if we can make free calls when connected via WiFi. That's a deal-maker or breaker for me.

I don't have the link, but another post I read mentions that the new iPods only have audio out in the 3.5 jack, so there wouldn't be a mic capability, unless I am off my rocker - good chance of that though.

Loge
Sep 6, 2007, 04:42 AM
I don't have the link, but another post I read mentions that the new iPods only have audio out in the 3.5 jack, so there wouldn't be a mic capability, unless I am off my rocker - good chance of that though.

Specs state "audio through 3.5mm jack" but surely they don't mean ONLY through the jack and not the dock connector ?? :confused:

Vinnie_vw
Sep 6, 2007, 04:43 AM
Now that the iPhone has fallen to the same price as the Touch, I really don't see that much of an incentive to get the latter. An extra 8GB is not that important to me, and the iPhone's phone and recording features are way more important to me than whatever the Touch has to offer. Not to mention (knock on wood) that the iPhone can be unlocked now.

nukiduz
Sep 6, 2007, 05:14 AM
iPhone's headset has a button to control its iPod. I guess this isn't happening with iPod touch :(

carman63
Sep 6, 2007, 05:34 AM
I'm wondering how long it will be before someone attempts to put the iPhone's flash image onto an iPod Touch, to see if you can get the email and maps functionality.

mkaake
Sep 6, 2007, 05:41 AM
Now that the iPhone has fallen to the same price as the Touch, I really don't see that much of an incentive to get the latter. An extra 8GB is not that important to me, and the iPhone's phone and recording features are way more important to me than whatever the Touch has to offer. Not to mention (knock on wood) that the iPhone can be unlocked now.

Well, if I already had an iPhone, I'd agree... but not having one yet, the main reason that I wanted to pick one up was for the ability to do web on the go - more in hotspots than in random locations. So to me, the iPod is more attractive, as I can have a mobile safari with me to fire up any time I can get a wifi signal...

And not having to up my phone bill $20/month for data is a nice touch too.

cmcconkey
Sep 6, 2007, 06:01 AM
Well I would have thought that the "touch" would have had email on it. If Safari was on there then they could easily have Mail. For me the lack of Mail is almost a deal breaker. So I hope that in a future update they will add Mail.

Also before anyone jumps on me saying that if I want mail then I should get an iPhone, just like people were jumped on when some people wanted safari and wi-fi on the iPod before it was released, I am a loyal Verizon subscriber and AT&T cell and customer service have turned me away from them years ago.


Christopher

RodThePlod
Sep 6, 2007, 06:27 AM
I'd really like to see a Notes app, particularly as the old iPods have it, seems a bit of an omission. Even better if they added rich text, and no 4K or so limit.

Yup that would be cool! iPod is evolving - and so I'm sure that an updated notes.app will be added soon if it isn't already there.

Anyhow - I just ordered a 16Gb iPod touch :D can't wait till it's delivered!

Rod.

question fear
Sep 6, 2007, 06:35 AM
Well I would have thought that the "touch" would have had email on it. If Safari was on there then they could easily have Mail. For me the lack of Mail is almost a deal breaker. So I hope that in a future update they will add Mail.

Also before anyone jumps on me saying that if I want mail then I should get an iPhone, just like people were jumped on when some people wanted safari and wi-fi on the iPod before it was released, I am a loyal Verizon subscriber and AT&T cell and customer service have turned me away from them years ago.


Christopher

Most likely the lack of a separate mail client is to discourage people from buying the ipod touch in place of the iphone. I am sure someone will hack it to add it in the future, but their logic is that they've added safari, go online and get your mail. IF you need dedicated mail, buy an iphone.

Not saying that doesn't suck, but thats most likely the strategy apple is taking, since they also did not add maps, weather, or stocks, for probably the same reason.

Purpleshorts
Sep 6, 2007, 06:49 AM
If you can get to the web, and you use Yahoo mail (or maybe .mac) don't you have, in effect, a mail app?

Further, don't you have a maps app through maps.google.com and weather and stocks... just in a different form than a dedicated app?

question fear
Sep 6, 2007, 06:53 AM
If you can get to the web, and you use Yahoo mail (or maybe .mac) don't you have, in effect, a mail app?

Further, don't you have a maps app through maps.google.com and weather and stocks... just in a different form than a dedicated app?

Exactly! None of those programs will work without wifi anyhow, so why put them on there to take up memory, when you can use safari to pull them down. And as someone above pointed out, a well set up google homepage will give you the same functionality, and all you need is wifi to get it.

carltabet
Sep 6, 2007, 07:23 AM
I was hoping the iPod Touch to be far a more PDA like. I would've liked to see it have a microphone (for voice notes) and bluetooth so I can put photos taken from my phone onto it. The touch is now, simply a iPod with a touchscreen, not enough feature-value over the classic.

I'm still torn between the having the 16 gig Touch or the 160gig classic. Oh well, I guess I have until the 28th September to decide :D

Well, then you'll just have to get both! :p

DTphonehome
Sep 6, 2007, 07:28 AM
I don't have the link, but another post I read mentions that the new iPods only have audio out in the 3.5 jack, so there wouldn't be a mic capability, unless I am off my rocker - good chance of that though.

I wouldn't be suprised at all if Apple decided to forgo the mic feature on the iPod Touch simply to make it impossible to use it as a WiFi skype handset. You know that some hackers are looking into that possibility right now.

EarlyAdopter
Sep 6, 2007, 07:34 AM
The real news under the news is that with the 16g ipod touch, the 16g iphone is hiding under the counter. The further indicator is the withdrawal of the 4g iphone. I bet that by Christmas (or Jan at the latest), there will be a $399 16g iphone.

The Stig
Sep 6, 2007, 07:37 AM
I'd really like to see a Notes app, particularly as the old iPods have it, seems a bit of an omission. Even better if they added rich text, and no 4K or so limit.

I want something to replace my palm t3. I mostly use it for contacts (check), calendar (check), wifi (check), and notes (ch... WTF WHAT HAPPENED TO NOTES!!! I NEED NOTES!!! I know that is won't be AS good as just being able to draw on my palm but I would of settled for typing in notes. :mad::mad::mad: this makes me not really want to get one because I can't carry it and my palm around! I want an iPhone! BUT, I'm in Canada... when a 16gb comes out I might just get one anyway and there should be a hack out by then to have it work in Canada.)

The Stig

philoscoffee
Sep 6, 2007, 07:42 AM
I agree with cmcconkey, the lack of a built-in e-mail client is very disappointing. The Mail app on the iPhone is so much better than checking webmail via Safari, and there is no technical reason why they couldn't have included it. Whilst I can see why Apple have done this from a marketing perspective, it seems a very cynical and unnecessary way of differentiating the iPod touch from the iPhone. I mean the latter one's a PHONE for goodness sakes!

Anyone know if iPod touch supports AirTunes and sharing your iTunes library over Wi-Fi? Let's hope they add this stuff in a future software update... In the meantime, I'm getting an iPod classic. 80Gb for just 159? Sweet! :p

DTphonehome
Sep 6, 2007, 07:43 AM
The real news under the news is that with the 16g ipod touch, the 16g iphone is hiding under the counter. The further indicator is the withdrawal of the 4g iphone. I bet that by Christmas (or Jan at the latest), there will be a $399 16g iphone.

Some are saying a 3G, 16GB iPhone will be launched at Apple Expo Paris (Sept 25) for Europe, and it would fit nicely in the $599 price slot.

aswitcher
Sep 6, 2007, 07:45 AM
Has anyone seen any photos/video of people adding entries to Address Book and Calendar? Is it the same as the iPhone?

cmcconkey
Sep 6, 2007, 08:04 AM
That will work, but it is just the act of going through and logging in. You know how lazy we are getting these days. I will probably go in and get a new touch but I just don't want to get one and then they come out with some cool upgrades and next thing I know my touch is too small, if I get an 8gb. It is kinda annoying that they didn't do a HDD version of the touch, but oh well I can't listen to or watch my 70 GB of media that I have on my 5.5 gen iPod all at one time. :rolleyes: So I guess this will be pure current like media device, and boy will it be nice.


Christopher

Sinsinnati
Sep 6, 2007, 08:07 AM
I wonder how the wi-fi signal strength in the iPod Touch will compare to the iPhone?

PlaceofDis
Sep 6, 2007, 08:13 AM
interesting comparison.

i too would like the dock on there. :\ doubt we'll see it though.
i guess its a good thing that its called iPod: its come a long way since its inception.

kzin
Sep 6, 2007, 08:21 AM
I agree with those who think the lack of Contacts, Mail, and Notes is disappointing. I also wish it had some form of IM capability (yes, you can't do SMS TXT messages since it's not a phone, but the iPhone has Yahoo IM doesn't it? That isn't tied to being a phone, it could/should be part of any Wifi device ... I wish the Touch and iPhone both had a good built-in IM client that supported AIM/iChat, Yahoo, and GoogleTalk/Jabber). And, of course, I continue to wish for a nice ssh client. Even a $200 Sidekick has an ssh client.

And saying "you can do Mail via Safari" isn't adequate. For one, you could do POP with Mail and read your messages off-line (I don't know if the iPhone's IMAP client supports off-line reading, via caching of messages, but that would be similar to using POP); you can't do off-line reading of messages via webmail. For two, there are lots of people who find webmail to be a poor substitute for a good solid mail client, and then on top of that you're going to make them do webmail in a tiny screen?

I also continue to find the lack of support for bluetooth peripherals to be bad enough with the iPhone, but it's even more annoying that the Touch doesn't have bluetooth at all. What about stereo bluetooth earphones? What about bluetooth keyboards for chatting (via web since the Touch doesn't have it built in), notes taking, etc. Or even wireless syncing to your desktop (even without wifi sync, bluetooth sync seems like a natural capability).

FreedomInput is even about to come out with a Bluetooth thumb keyboard that's about the side of a credit card. Having that in a folio/booklet type case with an iPhone or Touch would make for a perfect little micro-laptop. If only bluetooth peripherals were supported.

PharmD
Sep 6, 2007, 08:32 AM
The real news under the news is that with the 16g ipod touch, the 16g iphone is hiding under the counter. The further indicator is the withdrawal of the 4g iphone. I bet that by Christmas (or Jan at the latest), there will be a $399 16g iphone.

You are correct except that it will be $499 for the 16 GB.

ClassicBean
Sep 6, 2007, 08:32 AM
This whole "I want mail on my iPod" nonsense is, well, nonsense.

People, this is an iPod. A portable MP3 player. Yes, it has evolved since the 1st generation, 5GB iPod of 2001.

And yes, now it has a wifi and a web browser. But this is not a PDA. They are not claiming it is. It's simply an iPod with wifi so that you can access the web to download tunes songs.

Why is Safari on there, you ask? Because without it, you wouldn't be able to access most paid wifi networks like the ones at cafes, etc. Many of them require a web browser to make that happen.

Get over the email nonsense.

ibwb
Sep 6, 2007, 09:08 AM
The important question is this: I note that the iPod Touch supports video to an external device. Is this now also going to be possible with the iPhone? My understanding is that the iPhone doesn't currently support external video.

clevin
Sep 6, 2007, 09:18 AM
if 3rd part app (native on OS) were to be allowed, as a PDA, iPod Touch can do most daily stuff a computer can do...

aidanpendragon
Sep 6, 2007, 09:28 AM
iPhone's headset has a button to control its iPod. I guess this isn't happening with iPod touch :(

Have they said this isn't happening? It seems like a good idea, given all the kvetching about the lack of a click-wheel.

The real news under the news is that with the 16g ipod touch, the 16g iphone is hiding under the counter. The further indicator is the withdrawal of the 4g iphone. I bet that by Christmas (or Jan at the latest), there will be a $399 16g iphone.

What would be the reason to buy a Touch if you can get an iPhone w./same capacity + more features at the same price? It's broken into the mainstream that you can spoof/unlock the phone.

Some are saying a 3G, 16GB iPhone will be launched at Apple Expo Paris (Sept 25) for Europe, and it would fit nicely in the $599 price slot.

That $599 makes more sense, esp. in light of the 8GB price cut.

imacdaddy
Sep 6, 2007, 09:34 AM
Give it a few weeks folks. According to Gizmodo, the iPod Touch uses the same binaries as the iPhone. iPhone apps coming...if not from Apple, from the community. http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/breaking/ipod-touch-runs-same-applications-as-iphone-296837.php

Also possibility of it including Bluetooth. http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/apple/ipod-touch-has-bluetooth-support-296938.php

OpenWheelFan
Sep 6, 2007, 09:47 AM
I'm still kinda confused...


Browser: The iPhone's is crippled, but the iPod Touch's is full-featured?
WiFi: The hardware is the same, but the iPhone's isn't yet supported in software for the same feature set that the iPod Touch's is?
OS: iPod Touch is definitely OSX, but iPhone may not be?
Third Party Apps: No for both, but the Touch's OSX may mean that 3p apps are a future possibility?


So, really, what we're seeing here is a careful partitioning of capabilities by platform -- if you want phone capabilities, you can't get (uncrippled) web or 3rd party apps, but if you don't want phone, you can have the full web and wi-fi.

The 2nd gen iPhone will get 16 GB, the wi-fi, and maybe OSX, but not full Safari. Maybe it'll get rid of the recessed headphone jack, too.

Does that sound about right?

dr_lha
Sep 6, 2007, 09:49 AM
This whole "I want mail on my iPod" nonsense is, well, nonsense.

People, this is an iPod. A portable MP3 player. Yes, it has evolved since the 1st generation, 5GB iPod of 2001.

And yes, now it has a wifi and a web browser. But this is not a PDA. They are not claiming it is. It's simply an iPod with wifi so that you can access the web to download tunes songs.

Why is Safari on there, you ask? Because without it, you wouldn't be able to access most paid wifi networks like the ones at cafes, etc. Many of them require a web browser to make that happen.

Get over the email nonsense.
If the iPod Touch is "just a music player" I don't see the advantage of it over say, the iPod Classic. You might make the argument about iTMS being on it, but I don't think that is a killer app for many people. Right now with the iPod Touch having relatively low storage, and few extra "goodies" other than the iTMS store and Web Browser, I can't help but think its a bit of a white elephant. Maybe its more of a test bed for where iPod is going once Flash Memory gets cheap enough for it to replace the iPod classic.

As an iPhone owner (no, I'm not bothered by the $200 price drop), I've already asked my wife to get me the 80Gb iPod Classic for Xmas, I have no need for the Touch. The 80Gb should be a nice replacement for my aging 40Gb 4G iPod.

dr_lha
Sep 6, 2007, 09:54 AM
I'm still kinda confused...


Browser: The iPhone's is crippled, but the iPod Touch's is full-featured?
WiFi: The hardware is the same, but the iPhone's isn't yet supported in software for the same feature set that the iPod Touch's is?
OS: iPod Touch is definitely OSX, but iPhone may not be?
Third Party Apps: No for both, but the Touch's OSX may mean that 3p apps are a future possibility?


1. The Browser is no different.
2. Why do you think WiFi on the iPod and iPhone are different?
3. OSX is the OS on the iPhone, and the iPod Touch.
4. Third party apps remain speculation for both iPod Touch and iPhone.


So, really, what we're seeing here is a careful partitioning of capabilities by platform -- if you want phone capabilities, you can't get (uncrippled) web or 3rd party apps, but if you don't want phone, you can have the full web and wi-fi.

I don't get why you think web on the iPhone is "crippled"?

The 2nd gen iPhone will get 16 GB, the wi-fi, and maybe OSX, but not full Safari. Maybe it'll get rid of the recessed headphone jack, too.

I'm still not sure what you are on about, apart from maybe the recessed headphone jack which was a boneheaded decision by Apple.
Does that sound about right?
No, not at all. You're highly confused.

raptor96
Sep 6, 2007, 10:17 AM
No, not at all. You're highly confused.

Too harsh.

Anyway, I was ready to get the Touch when it first launched but I think I'm going to wait till Rev 2 because no matter what the bump I'll be able to fit all my music as I have like 18 gbs so that would fit into 24gb or 32gb if they are generous/prices fall on memory enough. I wish they hadn't gone flash but que sera, the os load times must be great and no delay before your music starts playing. Hopefully someone puts a mail app and a notes feature on there because as someone said that would basically make this the Newton 2007 :-). Plus then I won't have to go anywhere near AT&T and I'll be able to do all the things I'd want the iPhone for.

sandsl
Sep 6, 2007, 10:37 AM
Some are saying a 3G, 16GB iPhone will be launched at Apple Expo Paris (Sept 25) for Europe, and it would fit nicely in the $599 price slot.

If I were O2, I'd want the Euro iPhone to be available before the iPod Touch is available to avoid the touch cannibalising iphone sales. Apple Expo Paris seems a possible announcement date, but I'm not convinced they will.

I'm torn between the touch and iphone. If they don't announce a uk release date for the iphone soon I'll just have to order a touch...

confirmed
Sep 6, 2007, 10:48 AM
in the specs for the iTouch (as well as both the new nano and classic), it lists "H.264 video, up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Baseline Profile up to Level 3.0"... the iPhone can only do "H.264 video, up to 768 Kbps, 320 by 240 pixels, 30 frames per second, Baseline Profile up to Level 1.3".. of note, both the iPhone and iTouch share the same specs for the Low Complexity profile. Level 3 at 2.5 Mbps would offer much better quality, especially when viewed on a computer or with an iPod connected through the new component cables. Hopefully we'll see the iPhone's specs updated to match the new iPods, along with upgraded quality for content in the iTunes Store. (of course, i'm still waiting [increasingly impatiently] for HD.)

timothyjay2004
Sep 6, 2007, 11:03 AM
What I seriously wonder is, the iPhone and iPod touch are very similar. It'd be neat to have the icon shortcuts to weather etc. on the main home screen of the iPod. I'm wondering if it'd be possible to take those files from the iPhone and add them to the iPod touch?? I have an iPod touch on order. They said it'll be here on Sept. 3rd or sooner. I mean, I don't want to hack my iPod and yes, it's not really needed, but it'd still be neat though. ;):apple:

Darkroom
Sep 6, 2007, 11:10 AM
i wonder if the iPodTouch is as durable as the iPhone...

timothyjay2004
Sep 6, 2007, 11:11 AM
i wonder if the iPodTouch is as durable as the iPhone...

From what I read, it's the same screen and shell (just smaller dimensions). So should be.

killmoms
Sep 6, 2007, 11:18 AM
also.. in the specs for the iTouch (as well as both the new nano and classic), it lists "H.264 video, up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 frames per second, Baseline Profile up to Level 3.0"... the iPhone can only do "H.264 video, up to 768 Kbps, 320 by 240 pixels, 30 frames per second, Baseline Profile up to Level 1.3".. of note, both the iPhone and iTouch share the same specs for the Low Complexity profile. Level 3 at 2.5 Mbps would offer much better quality, especially when viewed on a computer or with an iPod connected through the new component cables. Hopefully we'll see the iPhone's specs updated to match the new iPods, along with upgraded quality for content in the iTunes Store. (of course, i'm still waiting [increasingly impatiently] for HD.)

Interesting. Unless the new iPods are using some sort of hardware-assist H.264 decoder chip not included in the iPhone, I don't see why it couldn't do decodes of this kind of content.

However, you'll be waiting a while for HD in your pocket. Even the Apple TV needs a GPU and a ULV Intel chip to decode 720p at 24fps (barely). It'll be a year or so before HD H.264 decoders get to the size/power requirements necessary to implement them in portable devices.

confirmed
Sep 6, 2007, 11:31 AM
However, you'll be waiting a while for HD in your pocket. Even the Apple TV needs a GPU and a ULV Intel chip to decode 720p at 24fps (barely). It'll be a year or so before HD H.264 decoders get to the size/power requirements necessary to implement them in portable devices.

i'm not looking for HD in my pocket.. just HD available on iTunes, with an iPod compatible version encapsulated within the one download. play on an HD capable computer, view the HD version; play on an iPod or lower-end computer, view the SD version.

sorry, didn't want to get off topic, but i just thought it was important to point out that we don't need HD ipods to purchase HD content. hope apple is listening.

SpinThis!
Sep 6, 2007, 11:42 AM
As for moving apps over from iPhone to Touch, that should be interesting. Mail might be a stretch, depending on how those contacts are stored and the APIs necessary to get to them. I'd imagine Apple changed just enough in the contacts to make them incompatible with the iPhone ones. Or they didn't change a thing... Apple is banking on most users won't be hacking their iPods.

chr1s60
Sep 6, 2007, 11:56 AM
Some are saying a 3G, 16GB iPhone will be launched at Apple Expo Paris (Sept 25) for Europe, and it would fit nicely in the $599 price slot.

I find this hard to believe. Jobs has openly stated that 3G is not ready for iPhone. The chips are too big and he doesn't feel the technology is fully ready. I don't see him changing dimensions of the phone just for Europe so it can be 3G. If we see a 3G iPhone, I am guessing it will be at Macworld with 16 or more GB of storage. Even that seems unlikely though.

texasguy
Sep 6, 2007, 01:02 PM
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iPhoneAtlas compiled (http://www.iphoneatlas.com/2007/09/05/differences-between-the-iphone-and-ipod-touch/) a list of differences between the new iPod Touch and the current iPhone.

Amongst the differences:

- No Email, Maps, Stocks, Weather, or Camera in the iPod Touch
- Double tapping the iPod Touch's Home button twice when it is sleeping brings up touch controls to control your music
- iPod Touch has separate Contacts app and separate Video app. On the iPhone, Contacts is built into the Phone function and Video built into the iPod function.
- No Microphone or Speaker on the iPod Touch
- Headphone jack on bottom of iPod Touch and is not recessed (unlike the iPhone)

Apple has posted a guided tour video (http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/guidedtour/large.html) detailing the functions of the iPod Touch.

Apple is expected to release an iPhone update to add Wi-Fi iTunes song purchases to the iPhone. The "double tap" Home button functionality detailed above could also easily be added in software to a future iPhone update.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2007/09/06/ipod-touch-vs-iphone-differences/)

Since you can access the 'entire internet" on the iPod touch, you can log on to any e-mail client on the web and get your e-mail. This is especially good for those with a work e-mail on a Microsoft Exchange Server who will be able to log in and receive and respond to mail! Any comments?:)

JGowan
Sep 6, 2007, 01:14 PM
From what I understand, you don't drag and drop music onto a little iPhone icon of the left side like you would a normal iPod... is this true? How is music put onto your phone?

dr_lha
Sep 6, 2007, 01:20 PM
Since you can access the 'entire internet" on the iPod touch, you can log on to any e-mail client on the web and get your e-mail. This is especially good for those with a work e-mail on a Microsoft Exchange Server who will be able to log in and receive and respond to mail! Any comments?:)
"The Entire Internet" is wrong, as the Internet also includes stuff like telnet, ssh, pop, imap which are not on the iPod Touch. "The Entire Web" is more correct. Personally my email is IMAP and works great on the iPhone, but the web client interface sucks to high heaven, so I wouldn't enjoy using it on the iPod Touch.

dr_lha
Sep 6, 2007, 01:21 PM
From what I understand, you don't drag and drop music onto a little iPhone icon of the left side like you would a normal iPod... is this true? How is music put onto your phone?
You can either sync your whole library (if its small!) or sync individual playlists. You can't drag and drop in iTunes like on a regular iPod.

jesteraver
Sep 6, 2007, 01:29 PM
hopefully there will be a 16gb iPhone.

PrettyUgly
Sep 6, 2007, 01:56 PM
So they finally removed the phone and the camera huh?
Why is this better?

For those of you who can't decide between the touch and the phone, get the phone. You won't regret it. You're probably not standing in a wifi hotspot nearly as often as you think you are (don't count your own house. you're not going to sit beside your computer and surf the web on your 3.5 inch iPod.) Having internet access and especially google maps anywhere you go is amazingly convenient.

Also, one thing i hadn't considered that much before was just how much I love the little play/pause/skip/mic button on the iPhone earbuds. I love the way I can quickly stop my music if someone is talking to me, and it is the only way i make phone calls now.

The 16GB phone can't be too far off.

Merser
Sep 6, 2007, 02:27 PM
Well I would have thought that the "touch" would have had email on it. If Safari was on there then they could easily have Mail. For me the lack of Mail is almost a deal breaker. So I hope that in a future update they will add Mail.

Also before anyone jumps on me saying that if I want mail then I should get an iPhone, just like people were jumped on when some people wanted safari and wi-fi on the iPod before it was released, I am a loyal Verizon subscriber and AT&T cell and customer service have turned me away from them years ago.

Christopher

Correct me if I am wrong.... Actually iTouch DOES have email, just not as simple and straight forward as the iPhone.

I have yet to really try the safari on an iPhone, but wouldnt you be able to just go to yahoo .mac gmail...etc with safari and send receive email that way?

dr_lha
Sep 6, 2007, 02:30 PM
Correct me if I am wrong.... Actually iTouch DOES have email, just not as simple and straight forward as the iPhone.

I have yet to really try the safari on an iPhone, but wouldnt you be able to just go to yahoo .mac gmail...etc with safari and send receive email that way?
Yes, but web interfaces are nowhere near as good as the iPhone's Mail application. Also not everyone has a web frontend to their email, but do have POP3 or IMAP.

I can see why they left out the Mail application ("on the go" use is limited with only WiFi), but it does seem that they could have just as easily have included it for those that want it.

JGowan
Sep 6, 2007, 03:18 PM
You can either sync your whole library (if its small!) or sync individual playlists. You can't drag and drop in iTunes like on a regular iPod.I must say, that's ridiculous. Thanks for the info though

carltabet
Sep 6, 2007, 04:21 PM
I must say, that's ridiculous. Thanks for the info though

Huh! That limitation defies logic!
They should really do something about that with an update. I've never done syncing, at least I know what's going on when I update my iPod manually.

dankn
Sep 6, 2007, 04:35 PM
So they finally removed the phone and the camera huh?
Why is this better?

For those of you who can't decide between the touch and the phone, get the phone. You won't regret it. You're probably not standing in a wifi hotspot nearly as often as you think you are (don't count your own house. you're not going to sit beside your computer and surf the web on your 3.5 inch iPod.) Having internet access and especially google maps anywhere you go is amazingly convenient.

Also, one thing i hadn't considered that much before was just how much I love the little play/pause/skip/mic button on the iPhone earbuds. I love the way I can quickly stop my music if someone is talking to me, and it is the only way i make phone calls now.

The 16GB phone can't be too far off.

If you ask me, I would go with the ipod touch before the phone. Yesterday, I did ponder it for a few minutes as I was on the apple store site with my credit card in hand. It was either the 8gb touch for 300 for the 4gb iphone for 300. In the end, I think the choice between the touch and the phone depends on your life style. I am a college student. I have a phone, a decent plan, no bells and whistles, and it serves me just fine. I hate lugging around my computer around campus but I do it cause of the hours I need to kill between classes. I spend most of those hours surfing the net. My campus (UCB) is a gigantic hot spot. So why get the iphone? Yeah it is the same price. But $60 a month for the plan (not counting all the taxes and such), plus the $36 activation fee? I calculated it out, basically in the first year, at the very least the iphone will cost me $1,200. So for me, the idea of having a device with a decent sized screen, that can hold a chunk of music, videos, and I can surf the web all for a one time purchase of $300 dollars is an amazing deal. As for those who say the hard drive is to small to be a significant device without the phone ability, I say the contrary. Yeah it is nice to have your entire collection of videos and music on one ipod. But I mean is that really necessary? On the ipod I have now, I have all my music and videos placed on it but I can say that most of it never gets touched. Especially the videos. I will watch them once and then they will be forever archived into the ipod, never to be looked at again. It takes a little more work to transfer stuff you might want to listen to or watch on a particular day, but it is not that much work. And I am sure, within the first month, new apps will be made avalible either through apple or some third party. The ipod touch is the device I have been waiting for ever since I bought my first ipod in 2003. I cannot wait until mine arrives.

cmcconkey
Sep 6, 2007, 06:48 PM
Correct me if I am wrong.... Actually iTouch DOES have email, just not as simple and straight forward as the iPhone.

I have yet to really try the safari on an iPhone, but wouldnt you be able to just go to yahoo .mac gmail...etc with safari and send receive email that way?

I would be using it to access my work email account and my home email account when I am not at either location. Yeah I can use mail2web.com or something like that but I have been pampered by Eudora (back when I got my first Mac in 1993) and now Entourage. I don't want to log into a website to jump to my POP account(s). I am sure that there is a possibility in the next couple of weeks, thanks to Apple employees looking at this site and others like it, there will be some "surprise" apps be added (notes, maps, mail). If not before it gets released then at some point in time in the near future. Either Apple will do it and make everyone happy, or some 3rd party will do it and Apple will just break it in a new update.


Christopher

Homerun7dh
Sep 6, 2007, 07:13 PM
Huh! That limitation defies logic!
They should really do something about that with an update. I've never done syncing, at least I know what's going on when I update my iPod manually.

Why is it any harder to drag things to a playlist than drag things straight to the iPhone? THAT degies logic.

Also, if you have a synced play list, you can add recently downloaded songs onto it without having the iPhone plugged in, and sync it later.

odedia
Sep 6, 2007, 07:40 PM
I am using the iPhone for 8 days now, and I must admit Steve Jobs is right, this is the 7th wonder of the world.

It was worth 600$, and it is definetly worth 400$, or 300$ for a 4Gigs version.

Apple is going to make a big win this holiday season.

Darkroom
Sep 6, 2007, 08:04 PM
i know this will NEVER happen, because of settlement (or whatever) to get the iPhone name... but with the inclusion of the new ipods... i really wish the iPhone was called the iPod touchtone

iPod shuffle
iPod nano
iPod classic
iPod touch
iPod touchtone

then the iPhone would really belong in the family of iPods, instead of being the odd one out...

oh well... i'll continue dreaming...

kzin
Sep 6, 2007, 10:22 PM
But this is not a PDA.

Sorry, but you're on crack.

The iPhone is a smartphone (I don't think they've actually used that word, but that's what it is, that's what market niche it's competing in). A smartphone is a phone + pda.

The iPod Touch is "iPhone - phone". Lets do some logic here:
iPhone = smartphone = phone + pda
iPod Touch = iPhone - phone = (phone + pda) - phone = pda

The iPod Touch is a pda.

It's central focus may be its MP3 player capability, but it IS a PDA.

kzin
Sep 6, 2007, 10:26 PM
Since you can access the 'entire internet" on the iPod touch, you can log on to any e-mail client on the web and get your e-mail. This is especially good for those with a work e-mail on a Microsoft Exchange Server who will be able to log in and receive and respond to mail! Any comments?:)

Webmail is not an acceptable substitute for real mail clients.

I don't know if the iPhone mail client does message caching for off-line reading, but if it's a decent mail client it does. You can't do off-line reading with webmail.

Also, you may have more or less difficulty doing some form of "search my messages for X" with a webmail client (I don't know of any of them that do a decent job on that, but I'm haven't used all of them), whereas any decent mail client does have a means of doing that (such as Mail.app's integration with spotlight, or Thunderbird's message search/filter ability, etc.).

Saying that "webmail is the answer for iPod Touch and email" is just admitting that there's a major gap in the iPod Touch's features.

kzin
Sep 6, 2007, 10:48 PM
For those of you who can't decide between the touch and the phone, get the phone.


Since what I really want is something like a UMPC, I took a third option: I ordered a Nokia N800 internet tablet today. I'm not getting it for its MP3 or (SIP/Skype) phone capabilities, so I may still get an iPhone later ... but, I just decided that the iPod Touch and iPhone are making what I really want just a little too difficult.

With the N800, I can get the soon-to-be-released FreedomInput slim (credit card size) thumb keyboard, and use it like a tiny laptop, without having my screen real-estate taken up by a stylus or finger keyboard. I can IM, I can use email, I can use a web browser, etc. While it's true that it doesn't have the incredibly compelling UI of the iPhone, it has something better: the actual apps I want and need (ssh, document/file editing apps,etc.), and the ability to easily add new apps myself or from a software package site.

So, for what I want, it's already better than the iPod Touch (both do wifi; I've never actually carried my existing 15GB iPod so I don't care that the N800 might be a significantly inferior MP3 player; and I _can_ use the N800 has a wifi phone; the N800 has document editing abilities, and ssh clients, so I can do _actual_work_ with it).

If I decide that I really do want an iPod, actual advanced cell phone capability (I currently have a work-issued-and-paid-for very basic Nextel phone), actual Safari instead of Opera (I've never used Opera before, so I have no idea how good or bad it is), or if I find the N800's email client to be "not good enough", then maybe I'll buy an iPhone. And depending on the iPhone's ability to be used as a bluetooth gateway for another device to access the internet via the cell network, maybe it'll be used as a gateway for my N800.


The 16GB phone can't be too far off.

Yeah, I'll probably wait until later in the year before I make the iPhone decision. If they release a 16GB iPhone, esp. one that can be used as a internet gateway via bluetooth (for a Macbook, etc.), then that'll probably help my buying decision quite a bit. But, the things that weren't announced for the iPod Touch have pretty much made me sure that I'd rather have an N800 than an iPod Touch.

Of course, if I find out later that the Touch had the things I wanted, and they just weren't announced, then I might regret it. But I doubt that's going to be the case.

funwithstuff
Sep 6, 2007, 10:57 PM
Apparently the iPhone has a great alarm system (different alarms for different days etc.), except that it wakes you with a ringtone rather than a full playlist. Regular iPods let you wake up to any playlist, assuming you've plugged it into speakers.

What about the iPod touch? Does it copy the iPhone's rich but flawed system, or does it let you select any playlist? Or worse is there no alarm?

stompy
Sep 6, 2007, 11:22 PM
Sorry, but you're on crack.

The iPhone is a smartphone (I don't think they've actually used that word, but that's what it is, that's what market niche it's competing in). A smartphone is a phone + pda.

The iPod Touch is "iPhone - phone". Lets do some logic here:
iPhone = smartphone = phone + pda
iPod Touch = iPhone - phone = (phone + pda) - phone = pda

The iPod Touch is a pda.

It's central focus may be its MP3 player capability, but it IS a PDA.

Math major?

emotion
Sep 6, 2007, 11:40 PM
I find this hard to believe. Jobs has openly stated that 3G is not ready for iPhone. The chips are too big and he doesn't feel the technology is fully ready. I don't see him changing dimensions of the phone just for Europe so it can be 3G. If we see a 3G iPhone, I am guessing it will be at Macworld with 16 or more GB of storage. Even that seems unlikely though.

No 3G for Europe. The O2 upgrade to EDGE is a big hint. Also, in the UK at least 3G coverage isn't all that good. Especially outside cities. 16GB is quite likely though to distract from the lack of 3G, which most people will still see as a major problem.

I've seen jailbreak based ways of tethering a laptop to an iPhone - I'd love to see if there's a way to tether the iPod touch to a 3G phone like the N95/k850i. If that can be done that would really increase the market for the Touch. I'd buy one like a shot.

clintanson
Sep 7, 2007, 07:59 AM
No-one is talking about Wi-Fi being used for Wireless Headphones......can this be done??? Bluetooth???

munckee
Sep 7, 2007, 09:08 AM
This whole "I want mail on my iPod" nonsense is, well, nonsense.

People, this is an iPod.

But...it's not. The iPhone has made clear that there is both demand and potential for it to be much, much more. It's your pocket computer. It's a phone, mp3 player, PDA, entertainment center, god-only-knows-what in your pocket. The iPod may have started off as just an mp3 player, but why deny it's potential just because that's where it started :confused:

kzin
Sep 7, 2007, 11:54 AM
Math major?

Heh. Close. Computer Science major.

TuxToaster
Sep 8, 2007, 11:09 AM
* Patiently waits for a refresh to the iPhone, possibly with 16GB and maybe some minor tweaks (non-recessed earphone jack or GPS would be nice).

Hopefully it happens just in time for the holidays, I don't think I can wait till next spring.

OS X Dude
Sep 9, 2007, 06:00 AM
The real news under the news is that with the 16g ipod touch, the 16g iphone is hiding under the counter. The further indicator is the withdrawal of the 4g iphone. I bet that by Christmas (or Jan at the latest), there will be a $399 16g iphone.

Hopefully to tie in with the UK launch. HSDPA would be nice as well, really would make the iPhone perfect for me.