16GB 3G iPhone in Germany on November 12th?

[MacRumors]

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HardMac.com republishes (http://hardmac.com/news/2007-09-08/#7158) what is claiming to be an iPhone advertisement from T-Mobile.


http://images.macrumors.com/article/2007/09/08/iphone_release_ger_300.jpg


The flyer claims the iPhone will be launching in Germany on November 12th by T-Mobile. It also indicates the iPhone will have 16GB of storage and work on the 3G network.

The flyer was also submitted to us via a Rapid Share link (http://rapidshare.com/files/54072365/iphone_release_ger.jpg.html). As always the authenticity of such an image is impossible to verify.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/08/16gb-3g-iphone-in-germany-on-november-12th/)

[Sky Blue]

If this is real, and comes to the US, I'll be there day 1.

[GeekLawyer]

Can anyone who knows T-Mobile's business in Germany comment as to the seeming authenticity of the pricing structure?

[kenaustus]

This sounds possible, with a US version released around the same time, or at MWSF 08. Personally I have felt that a 16 gig iPhone would be delivered in January for $399, with an 8 gig iPhone being $50 to $100 cheaper. Apple's going after the phone market and January will be the time I'll look to buy.

[Squareball]

Fake, Fake, Fake, Fake, Fake! Fake.

First they call it the iPhone XL for 499 euros (that's like 680 dollars) then they say Apple iPod 16 GB. I really don't buy it.

[guzhogi]

Anyone else notice that in the pic, the first thing right under the bold print is "Apple iPod 16 GB?

[Sky Blue]

Fake, Fake, Fake, Fake, Fake! Fake.

First they call it the iPhone XL for 499 euros (that's like 680 dollars) then they say Apple iPod 16 GB. I really don't buy it.

The XL refers to the service plan.

[Techguy172]

weil you know it's going to happen sooner or later so these rumors point out the obvious.

[GeekLawyer]

Fake, Fake, Fake, Fake, Fake! Fake.

First they call it the iPhone XL for 499 euros (that's like 680 dollars) then they say Apple iPod 16 GB. I really don't buy it.

Good catch. "It's a faaaaaaaake!"

[twoodcc]

Good catch. "It's a faaaaaaaake!"

it probably is fake, but there's still a chance, considering 16GB is the next step.

[-AS-]

i know the company well (business customer), and i heard from a high rank employee, that the iphone will come in november. The flyer is also, if you ignore "ipod" instead of "iphone", very similiar to the ones you get from t-mobile in germany. the pink color is also matching 100% to the color they normally use

PS: these faults (ipod instead of iphone) are not rare things in t-mobile flyers, their flyers are full of faults! ;-)

[HermanTheGerman]

i know the company well (business customer), and i heard from a high rank employee, that the iphone will come in november. The flyer is also, if you ignore "ipod" instead of "iphone", very similiar to the ones you get from t-mobile in germany. the pink color is also matching 100% to the color they normally use

PS: these faults (ipod instead of iphone) are not rare things in t-mobile flyers, their flyers are full of faults! ;-)

Did you actually join only to let us know about that?

[aerospace]

am i right in reading they get 400minutes a month for 69 euros? that cant be right, accoring to my cousin in germany they pay about half what we do for minutes...my german is a bit rusty though

[P.B.]

First they call it the iPhone XL for 499 euros (that's like 680 dollars)

the price is actually very likely,
Apple prices are ALWAYS transfered 1:1 from Dollar to Euro.
An 8GB iPhone is 400,- so an 16GB is going to be 500,-.

am i right in reading they get 400minutes a month for 69 euros? that cant be right, accoring to my cousin in germany they pay about half what we do for minutes...my german is a bit rusty though

I'm from Germany as well and I would be very happy with the prices in the advert. It's even a little less expensiv then comparable t-mobile plans today.

[currentinterest]

Well, this is how my $100 credit will be spent, bringing the 16 GB, 3G iPhone that will be available in November down to $399. My kid will finally get his iPhone (my 1st generation).

[treichert88]

could be real in my opinion... looks exactly like the stuff t-mobile publishes here in germany (and they're - as stated before - full of mistakes)

the naming schemes for the different plans also matches the current model of T-Mobile here in germany ("relax 100", "relax XL") and if you take a very close look at the interface of the iPhone in that picture you can see that it's already translated which of course could also simply mean that somebody really took some time to do this...

on the other hand i'm not so sure about the 3G simply because apple clearly said that they wouldn't do that at the moment.

[HermanTheGerman]

If you take a look for instance at the word below the "world clock" icon, it says "Weltuhr" in German. However, this word does not even exist in the German language.

Also, "Photos" would be spelled "Fotos" in German, although the rather old-fashioned spelling "Photos" (referring to the Greek root of the word) still does exist.

The "Text" below the "text" icon and "Karten" below the "maps" icon are translated correctly, but sound rather awkward to a native speaker in this context.

Other than that: The "Z.B" (meaning "e.g." in German) in the upper pink box stating the 499,00 € price should be spelled "z.B.", as you can see here: http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed&sectHdr=on&spellToler=on&search=e.g&relink=on

You could capitalize the "z" if you were to initiate a sentence with it, but that would be considered poor spelling style, thus, you would rather write it in full ("Zum Beispiel"). However, that text in the upper pink box is not even a real sentence.

I would consider it a fake.

[papadopolis1024]

Well that wold be why there was a price drop... In November people will be pissed even more.

[miketcool]

Any germans want to help out a fellow T-Mobile user in the states?
Just work with my SIM and I will pay the premium to have a T-Mobile iPhone on my excellent excellent service.

Also, I have spoken with a few T-Mobile reps here in socal: Expect 3G approval from the FCC this fall!

[chr1s60]

I'm not falling for it. I will believe there is a 3G iPhone when I watch Steve Jobs announce it. Until then, I find it hard to believe any of the things like this that come out.

[-AS-]

Did you actually join only to let us know about that?

yes, actually you're right! i just wanted to say something to this topic.

btt: if you take a closer look, you'll see, that in the upper left of the display you can see "t-mobile D", also settings is called "einstellungen" and everything else is translated too. i don't think that someone is so careful when faking, and a apple fan (which would probably faked it, if it's a fake) wouldn't make a fault, writing ipod instead of iphone!

[wowotoe]

If you look at the iPhone pic closer, you'll noticed there are two icons after the T-Mobile carrier logo. They look like the Edge icon 'E' and WiFi signal. People who have iPhone will know iPhone can display either the 'E' or Wifi, but not both at the same time.

but still, this might just be graphical error (my company's in-house designers do these kind of small error all the time) and the other info can still be true.

[Habakuk]

Apple prices are ALWAYS transfered 1:1 from Dollar to Euro.


That is not true. The cheapest MacBook Pro starts at 1999 US-Dollar or 1899 Euro.

[maokh]

Any germans want to help out a fellow T-Mobile user in the states?
Just work with my SIM and I will pay the premium to have a T-Mobile iPhone on my excellent excellent service.

Also, I have spoken with a few T-Mobile reps here in socal: Expect 3G approval from the FCC this fall!

Right, because low level reps from a competiting cellular company have "an in" on that kind of information. Besides, they havent even applied, and its fall. how could it be approved?

[HermanTheGerman]

yes, actually you're right! i just wanted to say something to this topic.

btt: if you take a closer look, you'll see, that in the upper left of the display you can see "t-mobile D", also settings is called "einstellungen" and everything else is translated too. i don't think that someone is so careful when faking, and a apple fan (which would probably faked it, if it's a fake) wouldn't make a fault, writing ipod instead of iphone!

Well, it does not take a genius to do that. A decent (online) dictionary is all you need.

The icons "Phone" and "Mail" in the dock are not translated though.

Also, the "XL" behind "iPhone" in the upper pink box is not correctly aligned.

[Donnacha]

So, in the UK, these prices would, rounded to the most likely price points, equate to:

£34.99 - 200 min

£39.99 - 300 min

£49.99 - 400 min

... not great for an unsubsidized handset and with HDSPA prices being pushed down by 3's Sep 3rd reductions i.e. £10/£15 for 1G/3G and T-Mob and Vodafone offering "unlimited" for around £25.

As noted before, the lowest price point for sim-only service is £10 for 300min, so, the estimated prices above seem a tad steep, I reckon £30/35/45 would be more likely to fly.

BTW, with regard to not believing it will be 3G, it has to be 3G, they don't have any other choice in the European market and, indeed, that's probably one of the reasons why they've delayed the international launch, waiting for FCC permission for a 3G service in America.

[Donnacha]

Besides, they havent even applied, and its fall. how could it be approved?
Are you a time-traveler Maokh? It isn't Fall.

[treichert88]

If you look at the iPhone pic closer, you'll noticed there are two icons after the T-Mobile carrier logo. They look like the Edge icon 'E' and WiFi signal. People who have iPhone will know iPhone can display either the 'E' or Wifi, but not both at the same time.

but still, this might just be graphical error (my company's in-house designers do these kind of small error all the time) and the other info can still be true.


it says "T-Mobile D" in my opinion. does that on every mobile phone with T-Mobile since a few years ("D" for Deutschland :p)

"Weltuhr" isn't that strange to me but you're right in saying that "Photos" isn't used anymore...it would be "Fotos".

[Squareball]

yes, actually you're right! i just wanted to say something to this topic.

btt: if you take a closer look, you'll see, that in the upper left of the display you can see "t-mobile D", also settings is called "einstellungen" and everything else is translated too. i don't think that someone is so careful when faking, and a apple fan (which would probably faked it, if it's a fake) wouldn't make a fault, writing ipod instead of iphone!

Actually, writing iPod instead of iPhone is exactly the kind of slipups we often see with Apple fakes. For instance, check out the iHome (http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/laptops-pcs/sff/headless-imac-ihome-029260.php) fakes. They looked good... but if you look closely you'll notice that the front box art is upside down. That is, if you held it by the handle on the top the front box art would be upside down. They also spelled it Centre not, Center. While that is appropriate spelling in some parts of the world, Apple is a US company and would certainly have named it Center. Again, small errors by a huge Apple Fanboy.

[HermanTheGerman]

it says "T-Mobile D" in my opinion. does that on every mobile phone with T-Mobile since a few years ("D" for Deutschland :p)

"Weltuhr" isn't that strange to me but you're right in saying that "Photos" isn't used anymore...it would be "Fotos".

Search either here http://www.duden-suche.de/ or here http://dict.leo.org/?lang=de&lp=ende for "Weltuhr".

No global player, neither Apple nor T-Mobile, would commit such a mistake.

[shunpike]

am i right in reading they get 400minutes a month for 69 euros? that cant be right, accoring to my cousin in germany they pay about half what we do for minutes...my german is a bit rusty though
It also says that there is unlimited data - maybe this is why there is such a high price?

[7on]

Search either here http://www.duden-suche.de/ or here http://dict.leo.org/?lang=de&lp=ende for "Weltuhr".

No global player, neither Apple nor T-Mobile, would commit such a mistake.

German words don't need to exist in dictionaries to be real. The Word "Welt" and "Uhr" are real, so it's just a compound word.

It's still fake though. It's not taken by a camera phone in an elevator.

[polishmacuser]

if they get 3g then im pissed bleh damn germans lol:mad:

[HermanTheGerman]

German words don't need to exist in dictionaries to be real. The Word "Welt" and "Uhr" are real, so it's just a compound word.

It's still fake though. It's not taken by a camera phone in an elevator.

Are you a native speaker? Let me take a guess... No, you are not.

If I were to use the words "Welt" and "Uhr" and conceive the word "Uhrwelt", it would not make any sense at all.

[treichert88]

Are you a native speaker? Let me take a guess... No, you are not.

If I were to use the words "Welt" and "Uhr" and conceive the word "Uhrwelt", it would not make any sense at all.

trying to prove a point i just looked it up and while "Weltuhr" is possible, "Weltzeituhr" would be the proper way to translate it. Also took a look into my iPod: it simply says "Uhr".

i'm also more and more sure that it's a fake...take a look at the upper right corner of that pink box...it looks deformed somehow...

[Coma2nd]

Well, I'm german ... Looks 'ok' but as far as i know T-Mobile uses the name "web'n'walk" for it's Mobile-Internet-Rates ... i could be wrong.

But maybe that's just wishful thinking, cause as a student 49 Euros are bit too much to pay every month :mad:

A list of T-Mobile-Rates:
http://www.t-mobile.de/tarifuebersicht_tarife/

And rates for mobile surfing and such:
http://www.t-mobile.de/tarifuebersicht_surfpakete/

[nismo]

i dunno if I want this to be fake or not. It can be either. :eek: We will know if :apple: legal takes down the pic soon. Will you guys think its real if they do then?

[miketcool]

Right, because low level reps from a competiting cellular company have "an in" on that kind of information. Besides, they havent even applied, and its fall. how could it be approved?

According to one of the contractors, the equipment is in place and the negotions for frequency have been in dispute for a year now. Auctioning airwaves is hard!

[Donnacha]

According to one of the contractors, the equipment is in place and the negotions for frequency have been in dispute for a year now. Auctioning airwaves is hard!
Frequency auctions have nothing to do with gaining FCC approval for a particular device.

Networks bid for airwaves, equipment manufacturers apply for permission for their equipment to operate on the frequencies provided by the networks.

[jesteraver]

I hope its true, in some way or another.

[puckhead193]

If this is real, and comes to the US, I'll be there day 1.

i'll be right behind you in lne :D

[Rocketman]

Apple is indeed going european very soon.

They will be using EDGE. Fact. They said so.

That said, many people should install wifi access at their stores so everyone has wifi access everywhere. Where is the website to facilitate that on a totally free basis? A website is cheap to administer.

Rocketman

[newborn]

Looks like a fake because of the T-Mobile Logo normally the text "mobile" is also white on a pink background only on the t-mobile.de homepage they use the black mobile.

Nevertheless nice photoshop work...... "iPhone L/XL/XXL" *ROFL*?

[paetrick]

It's fake, here in Europe we don't have these huge overprice payment/month !

[Lefteous]

It's fake, here in Europe we don't have these huge overprice payment/month !
Well show us the rate where they offer a data flat for less then 49€?
Beside that I'm sure there will be rates without a data flatrate.

[swingerofbirch]

Why would an advertisement for the iPhone say "DIE iPhone," doesn't that seem like something Microsoft would say?






;)

[MacRumorUser]

It's fake, here in Europe we don't have these huge overprice payment/month !

Those prices seem acurate for price plans here in Ireland in fairness.

The price of the phone seems as one would expect too.

It may be a fake ad, but I wouldnt be surprised if the iPhone was released as 16gb, 3g enabled at €499

[reverie]

499 € includes 19 % sales tax (VAT). All EU prices have to be quoted with sales tax (VAT), while US price are commonly quoted without. The comparable price is 419.33 € net, which is $577.41 net. I don't think there will be a 3G iPhone this year. I don't want to hear the die-hards start whining again after the recent price drop because their 2.75G iPhone is outdated, and I hope neither does Mr Jobs. The leaflet could be real, especially because it has that sloppy editing from T-Mobile, "Weltuhr" is the best translation you can do if "Weltzeituhr" (the proper translation) doesn't fit on the screen because Apple designers are anglocentric and don't care much how their designs turns out in other languages, pricing plans are still rather new to Germany, much derided (we like to pay by the minute) and inreasingly harder to avoid (if you don't switch to an MVNO), but in the end it's impossible to tell just like arn said.

[Stella]

Hopefully, Apple won't be compelled to give the whinners a rebate because they'd think they should have gotten 3G at the June launch...

[Mgkwho]

Yeah, it certainly would help explain part of the price drop.

I bet the 16GB will retail for $599, if released before Thanksgiving.

-=|Mgkwho

[puckhead193]

it might be released for thanks giving for the christmas sales.... hope the US gets this ;)

[Donnacha]

Ironically, if Apple had released a 16GB on Wednesday, at $599, at the same time as eliminating the 4GB and reducing the 8GB to $399, there would have been a lot fewer whiners because it would have been more clearly part of the natural march of technology and ever-reducing prices.

[The Toon Master]

3rd Generation? Where's 2nd??

Ya, i'm calling bananas on this for now.., If they had em ready, Jobs woulda mentinoed it..

[Martin C]

While T-Mobile may be the exclusive carrier in Germany, I don't think that this is real. A very good photoshop if it is indeed a fake.

[bamisey]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/1C28 Safari/419.3)

Fake, Fake, Fake, Fake, Fake! Fake.

First they call it the iPhone XL for 499 euros (that's like 680 dollars) then they say Apple iPod 16 GB. I really don't buy it.

I buy it. Apple just slashed the price of the 8GB iPhone. Giving way for a 16GB one around $599. Compare to iPod Touch prices for the 8GB vs 16GB.

[BKKbill]

3rd Generation? Where's 2nd??

Ya, i'm calling bananas on this for now.., If they had em ready, Jobs woulda mentinoed it..

1st generation Analog: voice only
2nd generation Digital: voice and text (SMS) messaging
‘‘2.5G’’ Digital with packet data (GPRS): multimedia (MMS) messaging, mobile Internet
3rd generation Higher-bandwidth digital: live video calls, video streaming

[PCMacUser]

Are you a native speaker? Let me take a guess... No, you are not.

If I were to use the words "Welt" and "Uhr" and conceive the word "Uhrwelt", it would not make any sense at all.

Hi Herman, do you live in the UK by any chance? Just wondering because I had a friend there who I referred to by your nickname...

[bobobo]

No front camera?

Must be a fake. :D

[phillipjfry]

Why would an advertisement for the iPhone say "DIE iPhone," doesn't that seem like something Microsoft would say?


if you had ever watched an episode of simpsons in your life, you would know it says "dee iphone, dee" :p


also, unless its from 9to5mac, i dont believe it....

[gkhaldi]

That is not true. The cheapest MacBook Pro starts at 1999 US-Dollar or 1899 Euro.

Correction, that's 1999$ + taxes and 1899 including taxes for Europe :rolleyes:

[Willis]

I havent got time to read cause I have to go to work, so Im posting it anyway

I think ive found a flaw in it. I like to believe it, but...

anyway, it says on the poster, 16GB iPod... should say iPhone

ciao for now

[fastbite]

Fake or not who cares. I just want Jobs to tell us when the heck we are getting the iPhone in the UK, Germany and France. Then at least we could choose between waiting a bit or grabbing the iPod touch.

[P.B.]

also, unless its from 9to5mac, i dont believe it....

http://www.9to5mac.com/apple-orange-ipone-details-43252450

Better start believing :)

[phatspider]

Fake, Fake, Fake, Fake, Fake! Fake.

First they call it the iPhone XL for 499 euros (that's like 680 dollars) then they say Apple iPod 16 GB. I really don't buy it.

its exactly that which makes me think theres a possibility its real. Surely a faker wouldnt make such a simple mistake - yet a marketing dept who's not totally familiar with the product might??

No front camera?

Must be a fake. :D

Not definitely so

Theres a number of 3G handsets without front cameras in the UK. eg. HTC Meteor, Nokia 6234, Nokia 6300

To be honest - I think the networks have finally started to realise the way they will return the investments in the 3G licences is not through Video calling - but through data

[HermanTheGerman]

Hi Herman, do you live in the UK by any chance? Just wondering because I had a friend there who I referred to by your nickname...

No, I do not live in the UK. Other than that, my name is not Herman. :eek: But we could be friends anyway. :D

The proper translation for "world clock" in German, assuming limited space on a display, would be "Weltzeit".

It is a fake, fanboy art, nothing but that.

[HermanTheGerman]

Fake or not who cares. I just want Jobs to tell us when the heck we are getting the iPhone in the UK, Germany and France. Then at least we could choose between waiting a bit or grabbing the iPod touch.

I second that.

[HermanTheGerman]

trying to prove a point i just looked it up and while "Weltuhr" is possible, "Weltzeituhr" would be the proper way to translate it. Also took a look into my iPod: it simply says "Uhr".

i'm also more and more sure that it's a fake...take a look at the upper right corner of that pink box...it looks deformed somehow...

"Weltuhr" is not possible at all, I actually took the time to look it up in several online as well as offline sources. Why would somebody use a word that does not even exist? It is either "Weltzeituhr" or "Weltzeit". Sorry for being anal.

I mean, if you look closely enough at the "XL" in the upper pink box, you can clearly see that the whole thing is a photoshop.

[EvanLugh]

A bit far out, but Herman - do you play CS? :o

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/269/picture1qi1.png

[HermanTheGerman]

A bit far out, but Herman - do you play CS? :o

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/269/picture1qi1.png

I do, if time allows it. ;)

[EvanLugh]

Ah, I thought I banned you from Euro Hangout a while ago :D

[mymaccc]

MyMac (http://www.mymac.cc/?p=412) says it is a sure fake

[HermanTheGerman]

Ah, I thought I banned you from Euro Hangout a while ago :D

I play LAN only. :rolleyes:

[EvanLugh]

So how did I know? :rolleyes::p

[HermanTheGerman]

So how did I know? :rolleyes::p Must be sheer chance. :o

Somebody must have hijacked this alias of mine. :eek:

[jonnylink]

the price is actually very likely,
Apple prices are ALWAYS transfered 1:1 from Dollar to Euro.


Wow, that sucks, looking at the Ireland Apple store it appears that it's usually true. Who knew! You folks in Euro-Land need a good US hook-up.

[EvanLugh]

Please don't rub it in! :mad:

[Martin C]

Did Apple say that they wanted ten million 1st Generation iPhones sold, or just any generation to adding to that number?

[gnasher729]

Search either here http://www.duden-suche.de/ or here http://dict.leo.org/?lang=de&lp=ende for "Weltuhr".

No global player, neither Apple nor T-Mobile, would commit such a mistake.

On the other hand, Google has 49,100 results for "Weltuhr". Maybe the Duden doesn't know the word, but Germans certainly do. "Weltzeituhr" has more hits on Google, but Weltuhr is shorter and that might make a difference.

[owen-b]

Please don't rub it in! :mad:

Where does this '17 Days till iPhone UK' come from???

[HermanTheGerman]

On the other hand, Google has 49,100 results for "Weltuhr". Maybe the Duden doesn't know the word, but Germans certainly do. "Weltzeituhr" has more hits on Google, but Weltuhr is shorter and that might make a difference.

Just look at these search results. :rolleyes:

Google also has 560,000 results for "nähmlich". :p And heck yes, Germans certainly know that word either. :o

[dalvin200]

A bit far out, but Herman - do you play CS? :o

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/269/picture1qi1.png

Hey, where'd you get those widgets? And can I have them pls? :D

[EvanLugh]

1. http://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/status/countdowndashboardwidget.html
2. - can't find, just search apple.com

:D

[RossoA]

Wow, that sucks, looking at the Ireland Apple store it appears that it's usually true. Who knew! You folks in Euro-Land need a good US hook-up.

The pound tends to get a slightly better deal than the rest of Europe.

Besides, we have the Eurovision Song Contest. Now that TOTALLY makes up for it.

[strangelogic]

"Weltuhr" is not possible at all, I actually took the time to look it up in several online as well as offline sources. Why would somebody use a word that does not even exist? It is either "Weltzeituhr" or "Weltzeit". Sorry for being anal.

Well - my translation widget translates ''Weltuhr" to 'World Clock' - It says that "Weltzeit" is "World time" ... "Weltzeiturh" - it cannot translate at all, and when I go from english 'World Clock" it says that it translates to "Welttaktgeber"

While these translation widgets are 'weak' - I don't think it (the use of Weltuhr) is an indication that it is fake. However, it is a fake!

[c-Row]

I'm a native speaker, and while I haven't ever heard of the word "Weltuhr", it does make sense to me. :p Still a bit strange, like "Haarfrisur" or "Jeanshose". ;)

[TimfromBerlin]

Are you a native speaker? Let me take a guess... No, you are not.

If I were to use the words "Welt" and "Uhr" and conceive the word "Uhrwelt", it would not make any sense at all.

I am a native German speaker and I live in Berlin, Germany. "Weltuhr" or "Weltzeituhr" are valid, understandable words. It would be more proper to call it "Weltzeituhr" - but maybe there was not enough space or they decided to give it a smaller name.

I think its 50/50 that it is a fake. Besides: If it really comes out with 3G you boys in the US should be really pissed!

[TimfromBerlin]

No, I do not live in the UK. Other than that, my name is not Herman. :eek: But we could be friends anyway. :D

The proper translation for "world clock" in German, assuming limited space on a display, would be "Weltzeit".

It is a fake, fanboy art, nothing but that.

NO ist would be "Weltuhr"....

So but leave it to experts like me - it is the language I speak...

[HermanTheGerman]

NO ist would be "Weltuhr"....

So but leave it to experts like me - it is the language I speak...

Another "expert" to join this board only to let us know about his immaculate German skills.

Read this: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weltzeituhren

There is no entry for "Weltuhr".

You could argue forever if a word exists or not. But conceiving neologisms is not a means of proving anything.

We all know that

- there will be an iPhone in Europe very soon
- T-Mobile will exclusively carry it in Germany
- it will most likely feature 3G

So what? Maybe icons were translated inconsistantly for this flyer or for the iPhone itself, maybe not.

However, I am still convinced that this flyer is the brainchild of an Apple fanboy. Nothing more and nothing less.

All you need to do is to take a closer look at the original high resolution picture posted via Rapid Share.

Other than that: Neither Apple Legal nor T-Mobile have pulled it. Apple Legal has not been tired of requesting actions like that lately.

[The Toon Master]

3rd Generation? Where's 2nd??

Ya, i'm calling bananas on this for now.., If they had em ready, Jobs woulda mentinoed it..

1st generation Analog: voice only
2nd generation Digital: voice and text (SMS) messaging
‘‘2.5G’’ Digital with packet data (GPRS): multimedia (MMS) messaging, mobile Internet
3rd generation Higher-bandwidth digital: live video calls, video streaming


Oh, i tohught 3G meant 3rd generation iPod. My bad..

[NY007]

it's a fake.

t-mobile never would use the word "kulthandy"!

there another errors in there: the germans do not write the firts letter of "Z.B." big. Correct is "z.B.".

It isn't the orignal t-mobile type either.

[Schtumple]

*tenor voice*
F-F-F-F-F-F-FAAAAKKKKEEEEE

I'm not going to go all out and give every stupid reason why I think it's a fake, I just hate T-Mobile.

[owen-b]

Where does this '17 Days till iPhone UK' come from???

Anyone?

I wasn't aware of a definite launch date for ANY European iPhones...?

[puckhead193]

no idea where the 17 days came from..but if it was 17 more days i'm sure it would be all over the place

[owen-b]

no idea where the 17 days came from..but if it was 17 more days i'm sure it would be all over the place
Well exactly! :cool:

[Optimus]

I think the price of 499€ in the add is pretty close to the price it will go on sale here in Europe.

Just compare the new price of the iPod Touch, 299 dollars in the US and 299€ in Germany.

A 8Gb iPhone is 399 dollars in the US and the new 16Gb could probably cost 499 dollars. And so the iPhone's that Europe will see would probably be 399€ for the 8Gb and 499€ for the 16Gb model.

The 3G (HSDPA) is a must in many European countries because the law requires a phone to be sold by an exclusive deal from a certain mobile carrier to have 3G capabilities.

Still, keeping my fingers crossed that this is for real. :D

[owen-b]

This probable fake has got me in a right state, though.

Personally, I expect a 16GB iPhone to arrive very soon - if not this year then definitely early next. Here in the UK I would expect the iPhone to launch with 3G but it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me if it didn't.

What would be a deal breaker is the capacity, tariff and handset pricing policy. I'm not splashing out on an 8GB iPhone while there's a 16GB iPod touch available, but then again the iPod touch is practically an iPhone but missing 2 key ingredients for me - always-on data connection (ie EDGE or 3G) and Mail.

I'm also not buying a handset for upwards of £250 from Apple and being asked to pay stupid money by O2 every month for anything less than 150 minutes and 200 texts. At the moment I pay £25 a month for 250 minutes and 500 texts, and I get a poxy meg or so of data for free, but after that I have to pay about a fiver for every few megs of data (I think). It's pretty bad. I'd pay up to about £35-40 maximum on a tariff if I got UNLIMITED data and around 150mins/250 texts, but I just don't see it happening.

So, I'd be happy with just a touch, but the thing is, free WiFi access out and about in the UK is practically none-existant. I gather there's some around the Central London area but although I live in London, I'm rarely in the absolute centre of the city (in fact I generally avoid it) and there aren't nearly enough pubs, bars, coffee shops, bookshops, etc offering free access. So, my WiFi Safari web browsing would be strictly limited to at home (pointless except for novelty value) or the very occasional workplace (I'm a freelance TV cameraman and very few studios, if any, have building-wide WiFi reception - and a lot of jobs are on location).

So, looks like I'm talking myself into an iPhone if I really want touchscreen Safari/Mail etc anywhere I go, but we're back the pricing/capacity issue again, and I already have a clunky old Nokia that can just about handle Gmail just fine.

Such a dilemma... my touch is pre-ordered but I guarantee Apple are waiting till they've got the device into our hands before Jobs bounds cheerfully onto a stage somewhere to announce "Oh by the way, 16GB 3G iPhone in the UK by November! Pretty cool, huh!"




Boom.

[P.B.]

t-mobile never would use the word "kulthandy"!


some weeks ago a picture of iPhone and a jpg with the exact same slogan "das neue kulthandy aus den usa" was found on the t-mobile.de servers and were taken offline shortly after. this was reported by several news-sites (i think engadget oder gizmodo).
Of course, this doesn't prove it's real; the faker could have easily read and copied this rumor.

[hvfsl]

Just in case this hasn't been posted yet, Europe uses different frequencies for 3G compared to the USA. So any European 3G iPhones probably won't work on 3G networks in the US.

[owen-b]

I think it has been posted - but anyway most of us in this thread are European anyway. :)

[gnasher729]

Another "expert" to join this board only to let us know about his immaculate German skills.

Read this: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weltzeituhren

There is no entry for "Weltuhr".

But have a look here:

http://www.funkempfang.de/gerpics/staedte/berlin/c02070031.html

Seriously, nobody in Germany will read the word "Weltuhr" and not understand it, and nobody will try to look it up in a dictionary and complain if they can't find it. It is in common use by native speakers, as can be demonstrated by hundreds of websites with German contents using it. It is about as correct as Apple's "think different".

What this _may_ demonstrate is that the advert was indeed created by a native German speaker, as an English speaker using an online dictionary might have come up with an atrocity like "Welttaktgeber" (that's what the Systran translation widget in dashboard gives as the translation for "World Clock").

[Bonte]

Looks very real to me, certainly an add that would fit in the German market, and probably right on the spot on price and date. Its out of Apple's hands now so we will have much more leaks on the iPhone than a pure Apple product.

[Analog Kid]

3G is one of the things I'm waiting for to get an iPhone in the US. I've got mixed thoughts on what the price drop for the current iPhone meant-- was that a signal that there will be no new models this year and reconciling the price with the iPod Touch, or was it clearing a space for a higher priced 3G iPhone. The other big variable for me personally is what the monthly rates are for 3G service-- the current iPhone plans are already pushing what I'd be willing to spend.

I tend to think we won't see 3G in the US until next year-- given the outcry over the price drop, I don't think they'd sell hundreds of thousands more Edge phone and then "obsolete them" (as I'm sure the Edge buyers would scream).

Ironically this may just mean that a 3G phone is available and selling in Europe but Apple won't bring it to the US to avoid disappointing US buyers-- as backwards as that sounds to me...

[GregA]

I tend to think we won't see 3G in the US until next year-- given the outcry over the price drop, I don't think they'd sell hundreds of thousands more Edge phone and then "obsolete them" (as I'm sure the Edge buyers would scream).

I don't know... if they release an iPhone in the US with 3G data (falling back to Edge) & 16GB for $599 while keeping the current phone at $399, they may find that works fine for them for a short while. So why not?

However - AT&T does use a different frequency to European 3G. So it might not be that simple.

[c-Row]

You could argue forever if a word exists or not.

Duden Online also doesn't list "Apfelpfannkuchen" or "Lakritzschnecke", but I am pretty sure these exist, as I just had some of them last week. :p Not being listed doesn't prove anything.

[Bonte]

I don't know... if they release an iPhone in the US with 3G data (falling back to Edge) & 16GB for $599 while keeping the current phone at $399, they may find that works fine for them for a short while. So why not?

However - AT&T does use a different frequency to European 3G. So it might not be that simple.

Multifrequency isn't a problem, its a pure corporate decision.

[Dagless]

Apple is indeed going european very soon.

They will be using EDGE. Fact. They said so.

That said, many people should install wifi access at their stores so everyone has wifi access everywhere. Where is the website to facilitate that on a totally free basis? A website is cheap to administer.

Rocketman

Thing is though, we're not very WiFi friendly over here. My nearest free WiFi spot is... well I really don't know! I had a Widget that told me that, but there wasn't one for a 10 mile radius (which includes the city of Manchester). Soon as I turned on the "paid network" button - the list exploded.

This is why I can see the iPhone being 3G here, regardless of what has previously been said. To compete in Europe with a (potential) price like the iPhones you need 3G. 16gb is clearly the next step too. With it being in the iPod Touch already, I wouldn't doubt for a moment that the US would see a 16gb upgrade before Xmas and it launching here. Steve would probably say something about "This is your treat for waiting".

[phatspider]

Arun Sarin - head honcho of Vodafone said in an interview yesterday about the iphone :

"That includes taking hard-nosed decisions about the new Apple iPhone. “It is a 2G phone, not 3G. When it’s a broadband phone we will be interested in carrying it.”

So that for me confirms it will definitely only be 2G (eg. EDGE/GPRS) at the Euro launch.

[RossoA]

Anyone?

I wasn't aware of a definite launch date for ANY European iPhones...?

*Snore* I've already answered this in another thread, it comes from the Apple Expo Paris where Jobs will HOPEFULLY announce the iPhone in Europe. Orange, the exclusive for France, are gonna be there as well doing a bit on "Easy web browsing with Orange" or something similar, so it seems too good to be true.

[EvanLugh]

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/6054/picture1ye3.png
High Five Ross! :D

[reverie]

HermanTheGerman,

Silly translations are certainly not above Apple Germany. Just look at "Ablage", the most stupid translation for the "File" menu ("Datei" would be right). Or how they translate both "Get Info" (in the Finder and in other places) and "Inspector" (in iWork and iLife) to "Informationen".

[GregA]

Multifrequency isn't a problem, its a pure corporate decision.

What are you basing this on, out of interest?

Now that chipsets support multiple frequencies, it's little effort for companies to make triband and quad band phones (GSM 900/1800/1900 & 3G's 2100).

But 3G on 850Mhz is unusual, so I wouldn't be that confident that Apple could get that all in a small neat package. Of course, I don't know that they haven't, either.

[bananas]

I can't say for sure if this is real or not, but here in the land of Nokia* there's no market for such a device without 3G. 3G connections are quite cheap in here. you can get 384 kbit/s connection for 9,80 €/month.

iPhone is quite a nice device, but I'd prefer an iPod Touch and a separate phone unless there's 3G

well. I guess the market here is too small anyway. We propably won't be getting the iPhone anyway.

*the land of Nokia as in Finland

[macmanx1]

It seems that Apple just doesn't understand the mobile phone business. If they were on the ball, the original iPhone would have already had 3G. Many other phones had it then, such as my Motorola V3xx, my Samsung A717, etc. So what if they did not live up to the Apple Hype machine and their claim that the iPhone would change the world, or at least what people eat for breakfast....:)

They could have done the right thing and equipped it with 3G. Behind the scenes for the last few months, what has prevented Apple from rolling it out in the UK is just that type of mistake. Vodaphone the worlds largest cell phone company is much smarter than Apple and demanded a 3G version or they would not buy it. No matter how much "bling" or other wild claims of life changing events. I knew of the iPhones shortcomings when I bought mine, which was just out of curiousity, not as a serious phone to replace what I'm currenty using. This, because I knew the internet experience on the iPhone would be dreadful and really SLOW, so I was not surprised when that came true. Then the other part of my strategy that served me well, was dumping it on eBay after just 3 weeks of playing around. I got nearly as much as I paid for it, and that was way before Steve's fit of juvenile behavior by putting it to the customers in the form of a $200 price cut.

Now I'm the one that can laugh, as yesterday I see they are on ebay for a low as $50.00! As a long time Apple customer I know their patterns and the fact that they cut 200 bucks out indicates poor sales, a new model very soon, and complete lack of care about pulling one over on the Apple Faithful whom all put up $600 or more if one considers ERF fees (avs $175) just to buy a 60 day wonder. iWonder what's next.......

Hey, no big deal though really, it's only money and as long as it's in Steve's pocket at least the Apple Cult is happy. I just wrote if off as a donation... their engineering department certainly needs it.

Besides for the well balanced people out there.... it's only a phone... so what who cares? ! ...:eek:

[tduality]

Search either here http://www.duden-suche.de/ or here http://dict.leo.org/?lang=de&lp=ende for "Weltuhr".

No global player, neither Apple nor T-Mobile, would commit such a mistake.

Duden has the good old word 'Weltzeituhr' with the explanation 'a clock which shows the local time and in different time zones of the world'. 'Weltuhr' sounds strange but still much better than 'Kulthandy' :eek: Given the mistakes in this add it must have been written by marketing guy with no respect to the German language. :p

Martin
Edit: Sorry I was too late and answered before reading all the posts

[swagi]

Search either here http://www.duden-suche.de/ or here http://dict.leo.org/?lang=de&lp=ende for "Weltuhr".

No global player, neither Apple nor T-Mobile, would commit such a mistake.

...and if you really are German, then you should browse your widgets. Tadaa...here comes "Weltuhr"

[reverie]

...and if you really are German, then you should browse your widgets. Tadaa...here comes "Weltuhr"

Wow, major find! Weltuhr seems to be genuine.

[sparkleytone]

where's the delete button?

[dalvin200]

all these talks over 3G iPhone might be a misnomer, especially in the UK..

just last week, 02 announced they are adding EDGE to their network..

is that just a coincidence for the iPhone coming??

[bella92108]

Ironically, if Apple had released a 16GB on Wednesday, at $599, at the same time as eliminating the 4GB and reducing the 8GB to $399, there would have been a lot fewer whiners because it would have been more clearly part of the natural march of technology and ever-reducing prices.


I can't for the life of me figure out why everyone thinks that a 16 gig iPhone is so far fetched. When it came out it came out as 4GB and 8GB. The iPhone touch, which for all intensive purposes came out as a 8GB and a 16GB and will ship at the end of september (probably really october). The 4GB iPhone was discontinued.

The iPod Touch and iPhone look remarkably similar in every aspect except for having a mobile phone built in... so would it be crazy for the touch and phone to not come in the same friggin memory capacities? No, not only would it not be strange, but I would question Apple as a company if they DIDNT have the same capacity, especially given that if you stand 5 feet away you can't tell the difference between the two devices.

People seem to whine about "fakes" all the time... but the fact that the iPhone will probably be 16 GB just like the touch is almost certain.

Adding HSPDA would be the next logical step as well, which why WOULDN'T they, once again? The only logic people have assigned to that here is "Steve said no HSPDA, wahh wahh wahh... Steve would have said it..." ... hmm let's think about this one geniuses... IF he had said "we're releasing the iPhone today... the 4 GB models will have half the memory, be reduced $200 and discontinued in 70 days.... oh, and we'll have a 3G model out in 90 days" ... how many iPhones do you think Apple would have sold? 1 million? Hell no. The die hards still would have gotten their iPhone the day it came out, but I am sure half those million phone buyers would have said "oh 3G is going to be out in 90 days? I'll wait" ... how good of a business decision would that have been for apple to ANNOUNCE that when the REV A's were coming out?

Quit being so quick to call something fake or not, ESPECIALLY when it's a reality like this one is. There's nothing about this that indicates it might be a fake... in fact, it was probably just a draft that some guy making $35k a year to sit in a marketing department made and his boss yelled at him for spelling crap wrong so he said "I'll show them" and posted it on the web as a spoiler... whatever. Reality check, AT&T is a business as is Apple... and just because they're slow as mollasis to release new computers with the latest processors, technology and features, if they're going to be a real player in the mobile phone industry they're going to have to keep on top of updating with the "latest new model" just like all the other players. Phones and PDA's have a 3-9 month product cycle. Get used to it all you whiners... if you buy an iPhone it won't be the latest and greatest in 6 months. WAHHHHH

[rcha101]

16gig, it's going to happen.

Highly likely it will be 3g. This would be an ideal time to integrate a front facing camera too however there is no rumor of that.

For all those from the US who said this is fake because it is too expensive. The UK is expensive, ridiculously so.

[swagi]

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where's the delete button?

Forgot to say that the offering isn't too shabby

[gri]

Why would an advertisement for the iPhone say "DIE iPhone," doesn't that seem like something Microsoft would say?

;)

No, it refers to "Tarife:, its like "The iPhone plans"

[thechidz]

if they get 3g then im pissed bleh damn germans lol:mad:

Hahaha... great stufff:rolleyes::apple::apple::apple::apple:

[Optimus]

A European 16Gb 3G iPhone expensive at 500€?

LOL That's a bargain!

The Nokia N95 cost 700€ (that's about 960 USD) when it came out earlier this year. Now that was expensive.

And the only thing the N95 has got on the rumored iPhone is the GPS, which doesn't freakin' work anyway. :D

[GoodWatch]

http://www.t-mobile.de/iphone/