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MacRumors
Sep 16, 2007, 11:15 AM
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Reviews are emerging for Apple's newly released 3rd generation iPod nano and iPod classic.

iPod nano
Reviewers seem to be generally impressed with Apple's new nano. The update provided popular features such as video and games to the nano but keeps reasonable price points. Playlist and CNet didn't seem to mind the smallish 2" screen for watching video, however iLounge notes that the even the largest capacity offered (8 GB) doesn't do much for video storage. All 3 reviews were once again impressed that Apple is under-estimating battery life.

For more, read the sites' in-depth reviews:
- iLounge Review (http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/ipod/review/apple-ipod-nano-with-video-4gb-8gb/)
- CNet Review (http://reviews.cnet.com/portable-video-players-pvps/apple-ipod-nano-third/4505-6499_7-32595966.html?tag=slide_3)
- Playlist Review (http://playlistmag.com/reviews/2007/09/3gipodnano/index.php)

iPod classic
Reviews for the latest revision in the standard iPod line, now "iPod classic", were mixed. Perhaps the most critical review was that of Playlist, which noted a "sluggish interface" and "unresponsive controls" when album artwork was synched. All 3 reviews noted that previous 5th generation iPod games are incompatible with the iPod classic as are some iPod accessories, namely video-out accessories. While Apple has chosen to provide higher-resolution component video out (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/05/other-points-of-interest-ipod-hi-fi-universal-dock-ipod-component-video/), it has rendered previous video output accessories useless with this iPod.

This is not to say that all is dim with the classic. iLounge notes that the games offered for the classic are of better quality, and the increased storage sizes are industry-leading. Also, Apple is once again conservative on its battery life numbers (Playlist got 11 more hours of audio playback than Apple had promised).

For more, read the sites' in-depth reviews:
- iLounge Review (http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/ipod/review/apple-ipod-classic-80gb-160gb/)
- CNet Review (http://reviews.cnet.com/portable-video-players-pvps/apple-ipod-classic-80gb/4505-6499_7-32595955.html?tag=slide_3)
- Playlist Review (http://playlistmag.com/reviews/2007/09/ipodclassic/index.php)


Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/16/ipod-classic-3rd-gen-ipod-nano-review-roundup/)



twoodcc
Sep 16, 2007, 11:22 AM
well i ended up getting a black nano last night, even though i really didn't need it. i used my $100 iphone credit.

so far so good. i think both the classic and nano are a good step forward for the ipods....apple has done it again :apple:

F.D.
Sep 16, 2007, 11:30 AM
well i ended up getting a black nano last night, even though i really didn't need it. i used my $100 iphone credit.

so far so good. i think both the classic and nano are a good step forward for the ipods....apple has done it again :apple:

Is it as ugly in the flesh as it looks in the pics?

Sayer
Sep 16, 2007, 11:31 AM
There is already an update for the iPod Classic to address the sluggishness of the UI/Coverflow.

Another case of ship now, fix later.

TheSpecialist
Sep 16, 2007, 11:52 AM
There is already an update for the iPod Classic to address the sluggishness of the UI/Coverflow.

Another case of ship now, fix later.

It's just a case where a product has to go retailer at a time. If there is another problem aftherwards they can fix that later. Time is time when it has to hit stores.

Stridder44
Sep 16, 2007, 11:57 AM
There is already an update for the iPod Classic to address the sluggishness of the UI/Coverflow.

Another case of ship now, fix later.



Thank God. My biggest beef was the sluggishness of the UI with the previous gen. iPods. It was really disappointing to read the same problem was carried over to this gen., but I'm glad to see Apple fixed this issue.

twoodcc
Sep 16, 2007, 12:00 PM
Is it as ugly in the flesh as it looks in the pics?

no it's not. you gotta see one in person, they look great.

but i did name mine "fatty"

vwcruisn
Sep 16, 2007, 12:01 PM
Just got the ipod touch, and the video does NOT work on my Pioneer Avic D3 in dash navigation unit, where previous ipod video did. I'm a little pissed off...

sikkinixx
Sep 16, 2007, 12:07 PM
I saw a Nano at Bestbuy yesterday and was very impressed. The slimness is amazing. Perfect little thing, I would love to have one if I didn't already own an older Nano :p

Still contemplating that touch though....

Teifion
Sep 16, 2007, 12:26 PM
I'm torn between a touch and a classic so having the above article replace "iPod nano" with "iPod touch" would be really handy.

DaveTheGrey
Sep 16, 2007, 12:39 PM
After reading the review I'm really interested in one of the 160GB classics. :D
I got one question left:
Is it possible to sync music with iTunes and ad films without? (e.g. with copy / paste)
All my famlily fims are located on an external drive, because I don't have enough space on my mbp.
I really hope there is a way, otherwise it would be a dealbraker for me. :(

Dave

syklee26
Sep 16, 2007, 12:40 PM
i dont know why nobody is talking about Classic's superb audio quality. this is the best sounding iPod I have ever listened to and I have had every generation of iPod so far.

i do hate the new clickwheel on Classic though. it's borderline unusable.

KittyToy
Sep 16, 2007, 12:43 PM
i spent my 100 store credit on the product red nano.....cant wait till i get it.. i have no use for it seeing i have an iphone but i had to buy something with the credit and i couldn't:D justify buying the classic, they dont come in color so that was the deciding factor.

chriswheat
Sep 16, 2007, 12:45 PM
After reading the review I'm really interested in one of the 160GB classics. :D
I got one question left:
Is it possible to sync music with iTunes and ad films without? (e.g. with copy / paste)
All my famlily fims are located on an external drive, because I don't have enough space on my mbp.
I really hope there is a way, otherwise it would be a dealbraker for me. :(

Dave

Dave -

I'm not sure I get what you're asking 100%. An easy solution to this (assuming I understand) is to add all of your films to iTunes on your MBP, but don't copy them over from your external drive, just add the file to the library's database. To do this, just hold down the :apple: key while you drag the file(s) into iTunes.

There's a thread on this here: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=300826

The thing that I did next was to tell my iPod to only sync "checked" videos, and I check and uncheck videos in the Movies folder as I want them to be synced to my iPod.

Now all of my movies stay on my external drive, not taking up space on my MBP, but I use iTunes on my MBP to manage which movies get copied to my iPod.

Hope this helps.

DaveTheGrey
Sep 16, 2007, 12:52 PM
Dave -

I'm not sure I get what you're asking 100%. An easy solution to this (assuming I understand) is to add all of your films to iTunes on your MBP, but don't copy them over from your external drive, just add the file to the library's database. To do this, just hold down the :apple: key while you drag the file(s) into iTunes.

There's a thread on this here: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=300826

The thing that I did next was to tell my iPod to only sync "checked" videos, and I check and uncheck videos in the Movies folder as I want them to be synced to my iPod.

Now all of my movies stay on my external drive, not taking up space on my MBP, but I use iTunes on my MBP to manage which movies get copied to my iPod.

Hope this helps.

Excellent!
I didn't knew this :apple:-key trick!
You made my day :D

Thanks a lot chriswheat!

CalBoy
Sep 16, 2007, 12:54 PM
no it's not. you gotta see one in person, they look great.

but i did name mine "fatty"

Well this is good to hear. I keep looking at Apple's site, hoping for the Nano to look better, but no matter what, it doesn't look good on a screen. I'm hoping I'll have time to pop by an Apple Store in the next few days to check one out myself. I'm glad this review noted good battery life, always a good sign. Now, if only I could justify buying another one, seeing as how I bought my Nano just three months ago:p

Stampyhead
Sep 16, 2007, 12:55 PM
Is it possible to sync music with iTunes and ad films without? (e.g. with copy / paste)
All my famlily fims are located on an external drive, because I don't have enough space on my mbp.
I really hope there is a way, otherwise it would be a dealbraker for me. :(

Dave

No, music and video all have to go through iTunes in order to be useable on the iPod. I have the same issue you have, though. When I want to add a video to my iPod I just copy it over to iTunes from the external drive and then delete it from iTunes after it is done synching.

DaveTheGrey
Sep 16, 2007, 12:58 PM
No, music and video all have to go through iTunes in order to be useable on the iPod. I have the same issue you have, though. When I want to add a video to my iPod I just copy it over to iTunes from the external drive and then delete it from iTunes after it is done synching.

Just read post #14 :D

JonMan
Sep 16, 2007, 12:59 PM
Well this is good to hear. I keep looking at Apple's site, hoping for the Nano to look better, but no matter what, it doesn't look good on a screen. I'm hoping I'll have time to pop by an Apple Store in the next few days to check one out myself. I'm glad this review noted good battery life, always a good sign. Now, if only I could justify buying another one, seeing as how I bought my Nano just three months ago:p

The new Nano looks amazing in person. The pictures don't capture how tiny this thing actually is. Once you see it in person, you will be sold.

CalBoy
Sep 16, 2007, 01:08 PM
Once you see it in person, you will be sold.

That's what I'm worried about:eek::) Seriously though, I have faith that Apple would not release an ugly product. The images online though don't do it for me. I think Apple needs to do a better job with the way the Nano is presented on the Apple Store site.

zioxide
Sep 16, 2007, 01:12 PM
Glad to hear that the UI slowness of the Classic has been addressed in a firmware update. I'm getting a 160GB Silver Classic in the spring.

Multimedia
Sep 16, 2007, 01:13 PM
All 3 reviews noted that previous 5th generation iPod games are incompatible with the iPod classic as are some iPod accessories, namely video-out accessories. While Apple has chosen to provide higher-resolution component video out, it has rendered previous video output accessories useless with this iPod.I find this hard to believe. Can anyone confirm the Apple composite video cable does NOT work out of a Classic and the last Dock? :confused:

They might have forgotten to turn on the external video out setting.

chucksmac
Sep 16, 2007, 01:16 PM
Just bought a classic and hooked up to a hardwired ipod kit for my car and the ipod turns into this sluggish, jumpy, unrepsonsive mess. It's a kit from a local car audio specialist who installed it years ago when the the 3Gens came out. Since then I have used a 3G, iphone, and two generations of Nanos on it and it works great. This classic has issues.

You can spin the click wheel and nothing happens, unplug it and it works fine. The menus will jump around in 6-12 second bursts while plugged in and when I mean jump it goes from the top of the menu/song to the bottom, there is no inbetween.

Sucks, will probably have to drop another $250-300 for another car kit.

C.

Multimedia
Sep 16, 2007, 01:16 PM
No, music and video all have to go through iTunes in order to be useable on the iPod. I have the same issue you have, though. When I want to add a video to my iPod I just copy it over to iTunes from the external drive and then delete it from iTunes after it is done synching.Not true. You can copy video and audio files directly into the iPod from anywhere on your hard drive if they are iPod compatible. I do it all the time. Going through iTunes is optional.

I mean you use the iTunes interface to see where you are copying to in the iPod - what play list(s). But you don't have to copy to iTunes on your Mac first.

abrooks
Sep 16, 2007, 01:18 PM
Dave -

I'm not sure I get what you're asking 100%. An easy solution to this (assuming I understand) is to add all of your films to iTunes on your MBP, but don't copy them over from your external drive, just add the file to the library's database. To do this, just hold down the :apple: key while you drag the file(s) into iTunes.

There's a thread on this here: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=300826

The thing that I did next was to tell my iPod to only sync "checked" videos, and I check and uncheck videos in the Movies folder as I want them to be synced to my iPod.

Now all of my movies stay on my external drive, not taking up space on my MBP, but I use iTunes on my MBP to manage which movies get copied to my iPod.

Hope this helps.

According to the thread you linked to it's the Option key no the Apple key.

abrooks
Sep 16, 2007, 01:21 PM
I find this hard to believe. Can anyone confirm the Apple composite video cable does NOT work out of a Classic and the last Dock? :confused:

They might have forgotten to turn on the external video out setting.

Here. (http://ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/apple-locks-tv-out-in-new-ipods-breaks-video-add-ons/)

Baumi
Sep 16, 2007, 01:30 PM
I find this hard to believe. Can anyone confirm the Apple composite video cable does NOT work out of a Classic and the last Dock? :confused:

They might have forgotten to turn on the external video out setting.

No it's true. From the iLounge review:

But it does fail to do something simple and fundamental: unlike the fourth- and fifth-generation iPods, it refuses to output video or photographs to an external TV or other device unless it’s connected to something that contains an Apple authentication chip. That means that our in-car video cable can’t play video from the iPod classic. It also means that our collections of iPod video display docks and wearable video displays do not work with iPod classic. Photo slideshows and video playback alike are constrained by this artificial limitation. In short, Apple has locked away the photo-out feature it introduced in the iPod photo and 4G iPod, as well as the video-out capabilities that it introduced in the 5G iPod, and is now going to make you buy new accessories to replace the ones that worked before.

It goes without saying that Apple need not have done this, and to lock away support for devices that people have been using for two years sets an extremely poor precedent for future iPod accessory support. Why should consumers invest any amount of money in an iPod add-on when there’s a good chance that next year’s model might not work properly with it? Beats us.

Another less important accessory that won’t work is the iPod Camera Connector, which offered snail slow transfers of photographs from a digital camera to the 4G and 5G iPods’ hard drives. This now brings up a screen that says “Unsupported - Accessory is not supported.” Given that the Camera Connector hasn’t been an especially viable transfer solution for the past couple of years, we’re not sad to see it go, but it would be nice to have a faster, better alternative.

This truly sucks. :-(

Multimedia
Sep 16, 2007, 01:35 PM
Apple locks TV Out in new iPods, breaks video add-ons By Jeremy Horwitz at iLounge (http://ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/apple-locks-tv-out-in-new-ipods-breaks-video-add-ons/)Wow! That's pretty harsh. Anyone have the "old" Apple brand composite cable who can confirm the Classic won't play out of it to a video screen with a composite input? I bought the Apple Connection kit for $99 when I got my 5G 60GB original Video iPod. It's already obsolete? That's less than two years ago. I wonder if an engineer made a mistake and they had to produce all these hardware fixes. Or is this Apple's way of shutting out all the old Sony 3 pin composite cable connections?

lamina
Sep 16, 2007, 02:01 PM
You can read my review of the 80GB Classic here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=354378).

PS: I'm totally miffed about the fact that the Classic won't output to the same video cable that my 5th Gen will. Does it still output video via S-Video with the iPod dock? I sure hope so, I just ordered and paid for one from eBay.

PPS: No camera connector compatibility? I was really looking into buying one for my trip to China next August. What's the deal with Apple obsoleting it's products so suddenly?

EricNau
Sep 16, 2007, 02:14 PM
Why aren't old games compatible with the classic? ...Seems like a slap in the face for anyone who bought a nice collection of games. Plus, it definitely takes away any incentive to buy a classic if your 5th gen is still operational.

brucku
Sep 16, 2007, 02:21 PM
Everyone is talking about video accessories not working, and we know how they are not working - but we don't know WHY.

Isn't it possible that for the first time, ipods will have menus included in the video out? And they blocked all past video outputting devices for competition reasons? I don't know. I'm just guessing - Steve clearly outputted the menus to the presentation crowd, why won't he let us do it at home!!!!!!????

Mydel
Sep 16, 2007, 02:34 PM
The new Nano looks amazing in person. The pictures don't capture how tiny this thing actually is. Once you see it in person, you will be sold.
Hmmm I wasn't:eek: I like it a lot just that shiny back is a deal breaker. Hoe they will get back to all brushed Alu:rolleyes:

Sandfleaz
Sep 16, 2007, 03:14 PM
The Nano seemed squat in the photos I had seen, In person it was much more attractive and pretty cool. Apple will sell a boat load of these this holiday season!

Wayfarer
Sep 16, 2007, 04:02 PM
Yeah I agree, the nanos look SOO much better in person. I was stunned.

Here's a sexy photo on the Apple website...

freediverdude
Sep 16, 2007, 04:34 PM
Yeah, I was amazed at how well you can watch video on the nanos. I thought
"oh, right, watch video on a teeny nano? who's gonna do that?", but I could hold the nano out at arm's length and still see the video just fine. Very watchable, it's awesome.

I don't understand the point of this Apple authentication chip thing though. Are they trying to make it so Apple has to approve all accessories? Are they trying to make it like HDMI where copyright protection is built in? Don't get why this is needed.

johnmcboston
Sep 16, 2007, 04:35 PM
Why aren't old games compatible with the classic? ...Seems like a slap in the face for anyone who bought a nice collection of games. Plus, it definitely takes away any incentive to buy a classic if your 5th gen is still operational.

Different OS inside... You get 'compensated' by the three free on-board games.

johnmcboston
Sep 16, 2007, 04:36 PM
Yeah I agree, the nanos look SOO much better in person. I was stunned.

The "Cranberry" one is very nice...

sikkinixx
Sep 16, 2007, 05:07 PM
the review for the touch will be up on iLounge soon but they said this on their site

As a brief note to readers: our iPod touch review could have been online already, but we’re holding it back.

We consider timeliness of our coverage to be imporant, but we consider accuracy to be even more important. It goes without saying that haste is the enemy of certainty.

After years of iPod releases passed without massive media attention, it seems like everyone’s now rushing to be “first” with a “review,” terms which have accordingly all but lost their meaning. What is a “review” if it’s based upon glib comments or little analysis? What does it mean to be “first” if you achieve nothing more than planting a timestamped flag in the ground with little perspective attached? That’s not our style.

So we’re choosing to wait—a little. Our review of iPod touch will likely be one of the most controversial we’ve published, so we’re re-running some tests to make sure we’re being fair. You’ll see the results very soon, and we hope they’ll help you make a more informed decision about whether to buy into this particular iPod, or hold off for next year’s replacement. Stay tuned.


sounds to me like it's gonna get slammed.

LaMerVipere
Sep 16, 2007, 05:36 PM
Hmm, that certainly doesn't sound like iLounge is going to give the iPod touch an A rating now does it?

bennifer3000
Sep 16, 2007, 05:47 PM
Honestly, I wasn't exactly won over by the iPod Classic, it seemed clunky. The old scroll-wheel worked much better in my experience.

I WAS the one
Sep 16, 2007, 07:01 PM
I get an iPod nano (Black) and let me tell you, I also got a 2nd gen Shuffle, a 1st Gen Nano, a 2nd Gen Nano and now this 3rd Black Gen Nano, all of my other were just part of my Apple Addiction problem (I buy it because Apple made it) but this little one (nano) was the first gadget from Apple that for real invite me to buy it! I mean... I didn't need it, I even got free space on my shuffle for God's sake! and I ended with a brand new Nano just because! for real, apart from the iPhone, the Nano it's a real revolution. A new device. a new era. it's somehow the new begining of post-PC devices as Steve talk about on that interview with B. Gates, I know now where are we going and the nano it's the one who will lead us there... The iPhone will introduce us to a new way of computer interface, I mean, it's just a training device for the new Macs coming ahead... but for the little devices, Nano it's the one who's gonna mark the standard.

StrictlyCircus
Sep 16, 2007, 07:29 PM
I'm pretty sure that Apple's battery figures are underestimated, so that user expectations 6 months to a year into use are met by their specs. The egeneral public loves to forget that a battery's life will diminish over time.

Analog Kid
Sep 16, 2007, 08:15 PM
Well, that's pretty much solved all my problems. I've been dying for a Touch but miffed it doesn't have enough storage to be useful, and I've been debating if I should get a Classic instead. Now I hear the Classic doesn't support the old video connections, and the camera connector doesn't work, and the old games aren't compatible...

At least all the "should I or shouldn't I" stress is gone. The Touch is cool, but has no real utility for me given the storage limit. I'd want the Touch for video, but the 16GB makes pictures and video more of a novelty in the device. I picked up a Classic in the Apple store and really didn't like the feel of it. That metal face doesn't make a nice seam with the chrome back. The display isn't well protected, so just a little push (to see if it was glass or plastic) distorted the LCD, temporarily. I have a video cable, but I don't use it much as it is. The camera connector, however, was a major motivation for wanting the capacity. The 5G was a nice way of carrying my pictures home from vacation until I could get them into my Mac.

The games aren't that big a deal, they're only $5 a pop, but it is a bit of an insult to accompany the injuries...

This "Apple authentication chip" is a mistake, if true. This must be Apple's way of trying to make a buck from each peripheral sold (the chip is essentially a license). It seems every generation of iPod obsoletes any investments you've made in the previous generation. I'd seen the dock connector as an assurance that they'd finally standardized, but alas. I don't think I like the new Apple much-- the get our hands on every possible revenue stream Apple. I think the short term greed is going to hurt them in the long term by neutralizing all of the good will that their pro-consumer, not your typical company, image of the past has brought them.

The only item that saves me from complete disillusionment is the new Nano. Got a red one for my wife and it's beautiful. It's small and thin, that display is fantastic, and the click wheel is much better than the one on my 5G. I have to agree with everyone else that the pictures we've seen do the Nano a severe injustice.

megfilmworks
Sep 16, 2007, 08:23 PM
I have to agree with the previous posters. I sure don't need a nano, but it is amazing in person. It is so small and thin. The touch is also thin and a beautiful piece of electronic art.

SiliconAddict
Sep 17, 2007, 12:23 AM
There is also a brewhaha going on in the Linux world. Apple has checksumed their database on the new iPods so if anything touches it the iPod shows 0 songs. So all the third party tools on Linux have been rendered for crap. And it also means that you are computely stuck with using iTunes for the iPod. Forget about any other software.
Between this and the chip that ID's iPod accessories I'm really getting irked with Apple's over the top daconian efforts on the iPod front. Lately they are making Microsoft look like Saints. http://home.comcast.net/~jonnormand/icons/posting.php_files/icon_confused.gif

Again as I said before. Apple is just another company trying to make as much money is possible. Which is fine. However you don't need to kick your customers in the crotch while doing it.

EricNau
Sep 17, 2007, 12:53 AM
the review for the touch will be up on iLounge soon but they said this on their site
...
sounds to me like it's gonna get slammed.
It's up now, and I must say, I'm very disappointed with iLounge. It's very apparent that their near-entirely negavitve iPod touch review is nothing more than a publicity stunt.

They're complaining about such things as no microphone ...why would a microphone on an iPod make any sense? :confused:

Maccus Aurelius
Sep 17, 2007, 02:33 AM
There is also a brewhaha going on in the Linux world. Apple has checksumed their database on the new iPods so if anything touches it the iPod shows 0 songs. So all the third party tools on Linux have been rendered for crap. And it also means that you are computely stuck with using iTunes for the iPod. Forget about any other software.
Between this and the chip that ID's iPod accessories I'm really getting irked with Apple's over the top daconian efforts on the iPod front. Lately they are making Microsoft look like Saints. http://home.comcast.net/~jonnormand/icons/posting.php_files/icon_confused.gif

Again as I said before. Apple is just another company trying to make as much money is possible. Which is fine. However you don't need to kick your customers in the crotch while doing it.

I imagine this also means that anyone that likes to use iPod Copy will no longer be able to use this on the new iPods. I've found this program very useful when I lost files on my computer, but the songs in my iPod were not purchases that could be reverse synced into iTunes. Needless to say, my 5.5G 80GB iPod will be in service for a very very long time.

goosnarrggh
Sep 17, 2007, 07:09 AM
This "Apple authentication chip" is a mistake, if true. This must be Apple's way of trying to make a buck from each peripheral sold (the chip is essentially a license).

It's possibly an attempt to appease the big studios - probably, in order for Apple to approve any new video output accessory to receive such an "authentication chip", the accessory will have to add macrovision or some other such measure (such as HDCP if digital video output for iPod ever appears) to prevent video piracy.

Maybe that would convince more studios to sign on to the idea of selling their wares through iTunes. Maybe it might even overcome the regulatory hurdles of allowing movie sales in foreign countries with different copyright requirements than the USA.

Apple just released a redesigned "Universal Dock" with a horizontal instead of circular window for the Apple Remote receiver. Can anybody confirm that the old "Universal Dock" has also fallen victim to this planned obsolescence?

goosnarrggh
Sep 17, 2007, 07:19 AM
It's up now, and I must say, I'm very disappointed with iLounge. It's very apparent that their near-entirely negavitve iPod touch review is nothing more than a publicity stunt.

They're complaining about such things as no microphone ...why would a microphone on an iPod make any sense? :confused:

Because a microphone would have been a handy thing to have on a general-purpose device with WiFi and 3rd-party apps. It's clear that the iPod Touch is envisioned as becoming more than what we currently think of as "just an iPod" - otherwise, why marginalize the iPod Classic, which should be all you need in a "just an iPod" device.

Prior to the 5G iPod, it was possible to plug a microphone into the iPod's headphone jack and, with appropriate 3rd-party software, record sound.

The 5G iPod has a line-in channel in the Dock Connector. With any luck, the iPod Touch also allows that feature, and accessories will be available soon which make that particular complaint moot.

JobsRules
Sep 17, 2007, 10:27 AM
I just got the iPod Classic 160GB, my first iPod - although my wife has the 3G 20GB.

I love it. The sound quality seems better than the older iPod, I MAY watch the odd movie on it and with 160GB it'll be useful as a portable storage drive as well as a big depository for my masses of music.

I'm not a bit fan of 'do everything' gadgets. My mobile phone's a £19.95 text-n-talk cheapy.

I want a good-sounding, big capacity music player. That's the iPod Classic.

hayesk
Sep 17, 2007, 10:28 AM
Why aren't old games compatible with the classic? ...Seems like a slap in the face for anyone who bought a nice collection of games. Plus, it definitely takes away any incentive to buy a classic if your 5th gen is still operational.

I don't understand why you would want to buy a classic if you have a 5th Gen that works.

Anyway, the answer is because it's a new OS in the new iPod.