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cwc123188
Sep 17, 2007, 02:34 AM
I just sent one to sjobs@apple.com. I poured my heart and soul into it as a non-native English writer. What are the chances of it actually being read by Steve? Share what you guys think and your opinions on the issues addressed in the letter.:)

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Dear Mr. Jobs,
It's unfortunate my first potential letter to you has to be this one. Your company has always had on of the best reputations in the consumer electronics industry and that is the single most important reason why I like the products of Apple.

However, recently I purchased the much-anticipated iPod touch and encountered a problem that may well keep me and customers alike away from buying the first units of a new future products, knowing that there's a possibility, even the slightest possibility of qaulity control issues. The touch I have now, like many others' cannot display the color "black" well; instead, it is showing the negative black that makes darker scenes in videos uncomfortable to watch and sometimes even impossible to view. It is truly a shame that we customers are not able to enjoy videos on such a well designed product as had expected.

I do recognize this as a mistake made by the third-party factories (professionals in the victim crowd indicated this as a result of lack of anti-reflective coating layer on the panels) but I am sure Apple has its own way of executing quality control. Even if the things during manufacturing went all-wrong, I still would prefer Apple to be more responsive to their loyal customers than they had shown these past few days. As reports poured in, Apple as a company would have maintained their reputation status and public image if they had actively told the customers about the problems and stopped the distribution as more sales of defective units would do no good but only damage the line up and its coming years. Again, Apple is expected to respond faster because this is not like the complaints of the iPhone price-drop; it is product malfunction, hard facts unlike people's opinions. There is absolutely no need of discussion or board meetings to come up with a initial response.

By reacting so slowly Apple disappointed a great number of its customers and if not the most important customer base. We are, after all, the "sane" and ordinary consumers who would think through their needs and waited for touch to come to iPod. We most likely will be the one helping Apple expand their multi-touch and Mac OSX mobile platform to the general public. I view the touch but not the iPhone as the product that plays the role of the first generation iPod that re-introduce the music listening experience and digital life style; it is going to popularize multi-touch and yes, re-introduce video viewing experience on a mobile device to many people. Therefore, Apple must not fail on this first generation iPod touch.

Good luck on this issue and the many soon to come Apple releases and launches,

One of the many Apple customers who also desire a new Mac Pro



--Wolf--
Sep 17, 2007, 02:36 AM
I stopped reading once I knew you were talking about the screen.

THEY WILL FIX IT. And it will be very soon (You wait and see)

Either hold off, or buy one now (and hope to get a good one) and if not, return it for a new batch.

aajad
Sep 17, 2007, 02:39 AM
Or just buy it at Costco!

cwc123188
Sep 17, 2007, 02:42 AM
I stopped reading once I knew you were talking about the screen.

THEY WILL FIX IT. And it will be very soon (You wait and see)

Either hold off, or buy one now (and hope to get a good one) and if not, return it for a new batch.

actually I was hoping for responses about the company's responsivness but your feedback is appreciated anyway. And yes, I will take it back when the sun comes up.;)

iCantwait
Sep 17, 2007, 02:43 AM
should of kept the mac pro out of it

--Wolf--
Sep 17, 2007, 02:44 AM
I know, but either they will be secret about it and quickly replace the current batches, or make a comment within a week or so I'm betting.

Markleshark
Sep 17, 2007, 02:47 AM
Ohhhh, maybe you'll get a ****ing $100.

cwc123188
Sep 17, 2007, 02:54 AM
should of kept the mac pro out of it

Couldn't help it. haha

I know, but either they will be secret about it and quickly replace the current batches, or make a comment within a week or so I'm betting.

Surely I am hoping for the immediate replacement or a quicker comment. After all they're gonna be losing a lot of hearts if the "comment" takes a week. Below is a quick and easy sample.

An Open Letter to Early iPod touch Adopters

We at apple truly apologize for the inconveniences caused by the defective units of iPod touch. As part of the solution, beginning on Wednesday, September 19th 2007 you will be able to bring it to Apple store or request a mail-in box free of charge online to acquire a replacement.

Apple will always have you covered,

Steve Jobs

synth3tik
Sep 17, 2007, 03:02 AM
I have written a few letters to sjobs and got replies back from his assistants. When I wrote them I tried to remember college writing classes on how to write a persuasive essay, as in fact that is really what you are writing.The hard part is to stay positive. There were a few lines in there that sounded like a direct attack. Really go though for not having English as a first language.

cwc123188
Sep 17, 2007, 03:06 AM
I have written a few letters to sjobs and got replies back from his assistants. When I wrote them I tried to remember college writing classes on how to write a persuasive essay, as in fact that is really what you are writing.The hard part is to stay positive. There were a few lines in there that sounded like a direct attack. Really go though for not having English as a first language.

thank you. i just found out I said "a new products"

OH NO!!:mad:

arkitect
Sep 17, 2007, 03:22 AM
thank you. i just found out I said "a new products"

OH NO!!:mad:

It's unfortunate my first potential letter to you has to be this one.

Nothing potential about the letter. You have written it… If you were just thinking about writing it, then OK, maybe… :o

cwc123188
Sep 17, 2007, 03:37 AM
Nothing potential about the letter. You have written it… If you were just thinking about writing it, then OK, maybe… :o

I was refering to the potential of this letter actually teaching Steve's Macbook Pro. Haha

Madame Defarge
Sep 17, 2007, 03:47 AM
What with the buggy iPhone, the sudden and early price drop and now the iPod screen issue, it's not easy being a fanboy or girl these days.

It's hard to understand why Apple released these defective products. Did they think people wouldn't complain or care?

Maybe outsourcing to China is part of the problem.

From Salon.com

One iPhone to rule them all

Hardware techies at Apple are regularly sent from California for intense two-week shifts to the city-sized Foxconn factory in Shenzhen, China where iPods are made and tested. Internally at Apple this is known as "being sent to Mordor."

http://www.salon.com/tech/htww/2007/09/14/sent_to_mordor/index.html?source=rss&aim=yahoo-salon

arkitect
Sep 17, 2007, 04:20 AM
Never mind…

cwc123188
Sep 17, 2007, 04:26 AM
No, it still doesn't work. ;)

Then you would have said: "It's unfortunate that my first letter to you has to be this one which, potentially etc etc."

Sorry to be so pedantic… But if you do write letters to Apple's CEO it's good to get the first line correct. :)

Okay...thanks for the correction. I doubt if I'm really writing to him though. Yes yes I know I have gotta be serious about it...haha

jmpage2
Sep 17, 2007, 09:14 AM
Or just buy it at Costco!


Does Costco even have them yet? Usually they lag a month or two on release of new products.

mojohanna
Sep 17, 2007, 09:55 AM
What I don't understand is why, WHY, do people think that manufacturing on a massive scale should be 100% perfect????

I don't think we should be focused necessarily on what is wrong with a product, but rather what the company is doing to handle it. The fact that no software update or official statement has been made from Apple at this early point in time is meaningless.

First, Apple has to go back thru the process and even down into the parts suppliers to figure out what exatly might be wrong. Hardware? Software? This type of thing does not happen overnight.

One other thing to point out. If you want a perfect product, be prepared to pay for it. The only way to ensure that is to test 100% of all of the components prior to manufacture, 100% of units during manufacturing and 100% of the units after manufacturing. That will not come for free to us consumers.

RCGMac
Sep 17, 2007, 09:57 AM
What I don't understand is why, WHY, do people think that manufacturing on a massive scale should be 100% perfect????

I don't think we should be focused necessarily on what is wrong with a product, but rather what the company is doing to handle it. The fact that no software update or official statement has been made from Apple at this early point in time is meaningless.

First, Apple has to go back thru the process and even down into the parts suppliers to figure out what exatly might be wrong. Hardware? Software? This type of thing does not happen overnight.

One other thing to point out. If you want a perfect product, be prepared to pay for it. The only way to ensure that is to test 100% of all of the components prior to manufacture, 100% of units during manufacturing and 100% of the units after manufacturing. That will not come for free to us consumers.

I agree, Apple needs to pin down whatever the problem is before making any sort of announcement. The fact that some people are getting fine units points to a break down in the supply lines. My hope is that Apple will handle this, especially since this is their flagship iPod model and the fact they want to sell a lot of these for the upcoming Holiday Season.

Woo hoo, also just lost my newbie title with this post

MovieCutter
Sep 17, 2007, 10:31 AM
Yeah, you tell that CEO how to run his company. Maybe they'll call you and offer you a job!!!


What I don't understand is why, WHY, do people think that manufacturing on a massive scale should be 100% perfect????

I don't think we should be focused necessarily on what is wrong with a product, but rather what the company is doing to handle it. The fact that no software update or official statement has been made from Apple at this early point in time is meaningless.

First, Apple has to go back thru the process and even down into the parts suppliers to figure out what exatly might be wrong. Hardware? Software? This type of thing does not happen overnight.

One other thing to point out. If you want a perfect product, be prepared to pay for it. The only way to ensure that is to test 100% of all of the components prior to manufacture, 100% of units during manufacturing and 100% of the units after manufacturing. That will not come for free to us consumers.

I agree. $5,000 hand-made iPods FTW!!! At least it'll stop the public bitching and moaning and the endless "blah blah blah crazy ass story blah. So do you think Apple will do [insert some instance of a refund, repair, or exchange]??" and THAT is priceless.

madmaxmedia
Sep 17, 2007, 11:47 AM
What I don't understand is why, WHY, do people think that manufacturing on a massive scale should be 100% perfect????

Can you tell me where someone said that exactly?

I don't think we should be focused necessarily on what is wrong with a product, but rather what the company is doing to handle it. The fact that no software update or official statement has been made from Apple at this early point in time is meaningless.


I completely agree that we should be patient and await Apple's response. But it's hard not to 'focus' on the problem when you just paid $400 for a widescreen iPod and can't watch movies on it. People are mostly discussing the issue, simply to get a handle on what's going on, what they should do with their units, etc.

It was because of those reports that I decided to buy at Best Buy, so I could return the unit if necessary without having to eat a $40 restocking fee, and I'm glad I did. It just gives me more options regardless of how Apple responds.

madmaxmedia
Sep 17, 2007, 12:00 PM
I just sent one to sjobs@apple.com. I poured my heart and soul into it as a non-native English writer. What are the chances of it actually being read by Steve? Share what you guys think and your opinions on the issues addressed in the letter.:)

Just want to add that it was a very well-written letter, very good for a non-native English speaker.

About the only thing I would add (and this is more of a general point than anything), is that having worked in international companies I notice that writing from non-native English speakers is often longer, wordier and a little too 'formal'. It is grammatically correct, but I think it's common to over-compensate for lack of confidence in another language (English or otherwise.)

We would proofread written copy for manuals and brochures written by our European co-workers, and often all we would need to do is cross out a lot of unnecessary verbage and simplify the writing.

cwc123188
Sep 17, 2007, 01:10 PM
Just want to add that it was a very well-written letter, very good for a non-native English speaker.

About the only thing I would add (and this is more of a general point than anything), is that having worked in international companies I notice that writing from non-native English speakers is often longer, wordier and a little too 'formal'. It is grammatically correct, but I think it's common to over-compensate for lack of confidence in another language (English or otherwise.)

We would proofread written copy for manuals and brochures written by our European co-workers, and often all we would need to do is cross out a lot of unnecessary verbage and simplify the writing.

thanks! totally agree!
it's probably not only because of the lack of confidence in another language but also the traditions of writing this kind of letter in the native language. I still have a long way to go...Next time I will definitely try simplifying the writing. Maybe I should take it to my professor and then send it. :)

jouster
Sep 17, 2007, 01:11 PM
What I don't understand is why, WHY, do people think that manufacturing on a massive scale should be 100% perfect????

Because they pay what Apple is asking?

madmaxmedia
Sep 17, 2007, 01:13 PM
thanks! totally agree!
it's probably not only because of the lack of confidence in another language but also the traditions of writing this kind of letter in the native language. I still have a long way to go...Next time I will definitely try simplifying the writing. Maybe I should take it to my professor and then send it. :)

No, you actually don't have a long way to go. ;) I was making a small suggestion and more of a general observation, I think you did a great job. :)

I personally hate learning languages (because of so much memorization, grammar, etc.)

Hopefully you get a reply at some point from Apple-

gottino
Sep 17, 2007, 02:15 PM
Some of you seem to have been in touch at least with some assistants of Steve Jobs. Any sign that Steve Jobs might have read what you wrote? I'm trying to get in touch with him for a business school project (see http://iwanttoshadwostevejobs.com), any advice on how to achieve that?

Thanks
G.

mojohanna
Sep 17, 2007, 03:26 PM
Because they pay what Apple is asking?

Then they/you must live in an altered state of reality. Perfection is not possible. There will be some problems.

cwc123188
Sep 17, 2007, 07:43 PM
Then they/you must live in an altered state of reality. Perfection is not possible. There will be some problems.

A high school student would tell you that it is perfection every company tries to achieve even he/she knows it's impossible. We as consumers though knowing perfection is impossible still ask the companies we trust to give their best to achieve it.

Madame Defarge
Sep 17, 2007, 08:17 PM
Even though they technologically groundbreaking, the early iPods had no issues. On the other hand, the negative black screens on the Touch are not something the consumer can or should except as normal. Especially at $400.

Apple has always marketed itself as a superior company, both because it produced a better operating system and a nicer all along product, and it was the un-corporation. "The computer for the rest of us."

As a 15 + year Mac user, I can say that before the iPhone came out, anyway, their products were, pretty much, always satisfactory, if not 100% perfect.

The bugs in the iPhone, and now the Touch, aren't up to long time Apple standards. Near perfection was once the very definition of Apple products.

coffey7
Sep 17, 2007, 09:06 PM
They are most likely thinking that your eyes are the problem. Since Apple never makes any mistakes ever.

Alienbrain
Sep 17, 2007, 09:10 PM
Ya most likely a SW issue that will be fixed.

PygmySurfer
Sep 17, 2007, 09:20 PM
As a 15 + year Mac user, I can say that before the iPhone came out, anyway, their products were, pretty much, always satisfactory, if not 100% perfect.


Windtunnel G4s? Flakey TiBooks? MacBook moo-ing?

compuguy1088
Sep 17, 2007, 09:35 PM
Some of you seem to have been in touch at least with some assistants of Steve Jobs. Any sign that Steve Jobs might have read what you wrote? I'm trying to get in touch with him for a business school project (see http://iwanttoshadwostevejobs.com), any advice on how to achieve that?

Thanks
G.

Your site doesn't exist...or is a bad link....

rbroady
Sep 17, 2007, 09:41 PM
Steve jobs will tell is in about 7 hours that the ipod will be replaced with $100 apple store credit

**this was planned**

PygmySurfer
Sep 18, 2007, 12:20 AM
Your site doesn't exist...or is a bad link....

He fat-fingered the O and W. Try http://iwanttoshadowstevejobs.com

cwc123188
Sep 18, 2007, 12:38 AM
Steve jobs will tell is in about 7 hours that the ipod will be replaced with $100 apple store credit

**this was planned**

I will happily accept it!

thegrue
Sep 18, 2007, 12:43 AM
Windtunnel G4s? Flakey TiBooks? MacBook moo-ing?

Flaming 5300s… iBook and PowerBook "yoyo" adapters throwing sparks… PB540/550 screen hinges… etc.

thespazz
Sep 18, 2007, 01:03 AM
Some of you seem to have been in touch at least with some assistants of Steve Jobs. Any sign that Steve Jobs might have read what you wrote? I'm trying to get in touch with him for a business school project (see http://iwanttoshadwostevejobs.com), any advice on how to achieve that?

Thanks
G.
Get a link that works?

hdhanani
Sep 18, 2007, 01:08 AM
Get a link that works?

it was just a typo....

http://www.iwanttoshadowstevejobs.com

Scarlet Fever
Sep 18, 2007, 01:27 AM
What I don't understand is why, WHY, do people think that manufacturing on a massive scale should be 100% perfect???

i think people are complaining that the manufacturing is almost 100% imperfect. That sucks.

powderblue17
Sep 18, 2007, 11:43 AM
Even though they technologically groundbreaking, the early iPods had no issues. On the other hand, the negative black screens on the Touch are not something the consumer can or should except as normal. Especially at $400.

Apple has always marketed itself as a superior company, both because it produced a better operating system and a nicer all along product, and it was the un-corporation. "The computer for the rest of us."

As a 15 + year Mac user, I can say that before the iPhone came out, anyway, their products were, pretty much, always satisfactory, if not 100% perfect.

The bugs in the iPhone, and now the Touch, aren't up to long time Apple standards. Near perfection was once the very definition of Apple products.

Yeah I guess you forgot about the following.

-Powerbook 5300
-Windtunnel PowerMac G4's
-Touch Sensitive Power Button on Cube Problems
-Case cracking on G4 Cube
-iBook G3/G4 Logic Boards Failures
-Titanium Powerbook Display Hindge Breaking
-Titanium Powerbook Paint Chipping
-Aluminum Powerbook Display Problems
-MacBook Pro Heat Problems
-MacBook Palmrest Discoloration

These are the things I remember being big fusses on here just like the iPod Touch screen problem. I'm not trying to bash Apple or anything but I am bashing the people who go screaming stupid stuff like you just did. Just because you never had any problems before doesn't mean other people didn't have problems and it also doesn't mean that their aren't tons of people who are using their iPhones and iPod Touch's quite happily.