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MacRumors
Sep 18, 2007, 03:30 AM
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Apple's 'Mum is no longer the word" London media event is about to kick off at 10am London time (5am Eastern/2am Pacific). Live coverage can be found at the following sites:

Updated List (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/18/apples-london-media-event-live-coverage/)

Apple is widely expected to launch the iPhone in the UK. O2 is rumored to have exclusive distribution rights in the UK.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/18/apples-london-media-event-live-coverage/)



rossgumbrell
Sep 18, 2007, 03:33 AM
here we go ladies and gents....

iAlan
Sep 18, 2007, 03:34 AM
Yah for the UK if the iPhone is released. I am awaiting Steve's visit to the Land Of The Rising Sun for a Japan launch.

And i like the event title 'Mum Is No Longer The Word' - so the secret is out. I didn't know the iPhone was a big secret anymore! Is the secret the carrier to be used? Or maybe some other secret?

And i wouldn't be surprised if Steve doesn't announce The Beetles while he is there.

And this posted from the Ginza Apple Store!

abrooks
Sep 18, 2007, 03:35 AM
Live coverage at www.worldofapple.com (http://live.worldofapple.com)

yoyo5280
Sep 18, 2007, 03:35 AM
I usauly have to get off at 6:00 (10 london time) but cause I have no homework for tommoz I can watch my first live apple conference. Even if it is in txt. YAY!!


Hopefully hints at iPhone Japan

aswitcher
Sep 18, 2007, 03:41 AM
Thanks for this. Looks good for coverage.

Project
Sep 18, 2007, 03:41 AM
*checks credit card balance

FiveEcco
Sep 18, 2007, 03:44 AM
I hope to get an answer about the iphone in germany.

I WANT THIS THING!!! I waited long enough!!!

fastbite
Sep 18, 2007, 03:46 AM
Finally! I hope they start selling them today, but somehow I doubt it -- Holding my breath for the unexpected regardless...

Sabenth
Sep 18, 2007, 03:46 AM
it is rather chilly this morning glad iam indoors nice live coverage though

liketom
Sep 18, 2007, 03:48 AM
Who is doing the Music

Project
Sep 18, 2007, 03:49 AM
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/09/dsc_0025-93944.jpg

Phil Schiller and minions.

mavis
Sep 18, 2007, 03:56 AM
Finally, an event I can keep up with real-time!! It's 6pm here in Tokyo, we had an early dinner, and now I'm out on the porch with my notebook, beer, and a ciggy. Yay! :)

jonharris200
Sep 18, 2007, 04:00 AM
Thanks arn, for getting up early to post this one! :D

Peace
Sep 18, 2007, 04:01 AM
UK store is staying up.

mclihah2
Sep 18, 2007, 04:02 AM
O2 Store down

ow my god, this is too exciting


Apple store UK is not down!

FiveEcco
Sep 18, 2007, 04:03 AM
German store are staying up :( *sniff*

retrospek
Sep 18, 2007, 04:04 AM
UK Store Down !

Sabenth
Sep 18, 2007, 04:04 AM
makes a change dont have to stay up late to see what all the fuss is about its an iPhone in white

arkitect
Sep 18, 2007, 04:04 AM
UK store is staying up.

NOt anymore... ;)

Sabenth
Sep 18, 2007, 04:05 AM
UK Store Down ! Yep OoOO So it is going live then OoOo

markfc
Sep 18, 2007, 04:05 AM
Apple UK Store is down!

Razzerman
Sep 18, 2007, 04:06 AM
Apple store is down

mclihah2
Sep 18, 2007, 04:06 AM
Let's try to remain pessemistic here.

It could be that they are updating the stores, with ne iPhone..to pre-order for November 12th

R.Youden
Sep 18, 2007, 04:06 AM
It's O2

jonharris200
Sep 18, 2007, 04:06 AM
8 GB iPhone £269.

FiveEcco
Sep 18, 2007, 04:07 AM
iPhone Nov9 in the UK

R.Youden
Sep 18, 2007, 04:07 AM
£269 for 8GB

mavis
Sep 18, 2007, 04:07 AM
£269 including VAT, with O2 ... this is lower than most people had been guessing ...

retrospek
Sep 18, 2007, 04:07 AM
From Engadget:

10:04 - Here we go... Steve stands up, welcomes everyone. And he dives right in: the iPhone has been announced for the UK! "We picked the best one, the most poplular carrier, it's O2. We've since lowered the price of the US phone of the 8GB phone, in the UK the price of the iPhone is £269 including VAT."

Boika
Sep 18, 2007, 04:07 AM
10:04 - Here we go... Steve stands up, welcomes everyone. And he dives right in: the iPhone has been announced for the UK! "We picked the best one, the most poplular carrier, it's O2. We've since lowered the price of the US phone of the 8GB phone, in the UK the price of the iPhone is £269 including VAT."

10:06 - It goes on sale November 9.

Jimmieboy
Sep 18, 2007, 04:08 AM
iPhone just released in the UK, going on sale November 9 with )2

Project
Sep 18, 2007, 04:08 AM
10:06 - It goes on sale November 9.

:td well that sucks.

though it is the day before my birthday.

aswitcher
Sep 18, 2007, 04:08 AM
So far no surprises

willybNL
Sep 18, 2007, 04:08 AM
£269 incl. vat...... that's like 386.88075 Euro (EUR) = 536.29943 US Dollar (USD)

as far is i know they have 17.5% vat... so the phone itself costs (excl. vat; 269/1.175) to ease the compare with the price in the US.

228.93 Brits Pond (GBP) = 329.25134 Euro (EUR) = 456.41274 US Dollar (USD)

that's some $55 more then the US-version thus... (If my calc's are correct)

Jimmieboy
Sep 18, 2007, 04:08 AM
Hahaha. Looks like some people bet me to it!

kristofor
Sep 18, 2007, 04:08 AM
we need the specs

CHROMEDOME
Sep 18, 2007, 04:09 AM
there better be more goodies if hes getting this outa the way

.Andy
Sep 18, 2007, 04:09 AM
So far no surprises
Are you waiting for what I'm waiting for aswitcher :(?

jonharris200
Sep 18, 2007, 04:09 AM
Hahaha. Looks like some people bet me to it!

We do try! :p

Manic Mouse
Sep 18, 2007, 04:10 AM
there better be more goodies if hes getting this outa the way

PLEASE 16GB iPhone!

R.Youden
Sep 18, 2007, 04:10 AM
iTunes films for UK,

I don;t think any hardware as the US store is up.

vendettabass
Sep 18, 2007, 04:10 AM
we need the tariff plan

drater
Sep 18, 2007, 04:11 AM
show us new features show us new features show us new features show us new features show us new features show us new features show us new features show us new features show us new features show us new features show us new features show us new features show us new features show us new features show us new features show us new features show us new features show us new features show us new features show us new features
<<<<<crossing fingers.>>>>>>>>

Jimmieboy
Sep 18, 2007, 04:13 AM
We do try! :p

Ya! Sure do. Though this time I failed, by more than a handful of posts :P

jonharris200
Sep 18, 2007, 04:13 AM
£269 incl. vat...... that's like

269 Brits Pond (GBP) = 386.88075 Euro (EUR) = 536.29943 US Dollar (USD)

as far is i know they have 17.5% vat... so the phone costs (excl. vat)

(269/1.175)

228.93 Brits Pond (GBP) = 329.25134 Euro (EUR) = 456.41274 US Dollar (USD)

that's some more then the US-version thus...
Yep, always more over here.

Project
Sep 18, 2007, 04:13 AM
£269 incl. vat...... that's like

269 Brits Pond (GBP) = 386.88075 Euro (EUR) = 536.29943 US Dollar (USD)

as far is i know they have 17.5% vat... so the phone costs (excl. vat)

(269/1.175)

228.93 Brits Pond (GBP) = 329.25134 Euro (EUR) = 456.41274 US Dollar (USD)

that's some more then the US-version thus...

The US price doesn't include sales tax, which is added on at the point of purchase in most states. The price is fair in comparison to the US.

aswitcher
Sep 18, 2007, 04:14 AM
Are you waiting for what I'm waiting for aswitcher :(?

Australian release :)

sionharris
Sep 18, 2007, 04:14 AM
£269 including VAT, with O2 ... this is lower than most people had been guessing ...

It's the same price that anybody with half a braincell had been predicting. Why would Apple price the iPhone disproportionately higher than it's other products in the UK?

Markleshark
Sep 18, 2007, 04:15 AM
November the 9th? £269? O2? Also no 3G?

Wow... Glad they delayed my touch for this. Wankers.

rorschach
Sep 18, 2007, 04:15 AM
Well no 3G iPhone today.

kristofor
Sep 18, 2007, 04:15 AM
NO 3g damn

R.Youden
Sep 18, 2007, 04:16 AM
£35, 45 and 55 p/m

markfc
Sep 18, 2007, 04:16 AM
Price Plans £35, 45, 55 ?

********. No iPhone for me. I'm not moving from Orange who I've been with for 11 years to pay a minimum of £20 extra a month...no thanks.

synth3tik
Sep 18, 2007, 04:17 AM
UK iPhone and O2, what else.

vendettabass
Sep 18, 2007, 04:17 AM
£35, 45 and 55 p/m

£30 was my limit, no iPhone customer here

btw, is that 24 months?

Cloudane
Sep 18, 2007, 04:17 AM
Haha is that it, 6 minutes in and he'd already made all the key points. Wonder if there'll be a "one more thing" shocker (doubt it, they'd stick to the US for any new releases etc I'm sure)

Well that's decided that then... if it was going to be 16GB and 3G I would have cancelled the iTouch right now.

Project
Sep 18, 2007, 04:17 AM
Unlimited data!

I wonder how many minutes/texts come with that £35 price plan.

.Andy
Sep 18, 2007, 04:17 AM
Australian release :)
Indeed. With comparably reasonable rate plans as well*





* wishfull thinking :p.

kristofor
Sep 18, 2007, 04:18 AM
nice call engadget.. why not 3g

R.Youden
Sep 18, 2007, 04:18 AM
Q&A now, it must be over! Thats it!

Manic Mouse
Sep 18, 2007, 04:18 AM
£35, 45 and 55 p/m

I wonder how many texts and minutes you get with that. Better be around 1,000/400 or that's pretty pricey...

Boika
Sep 18, 2007, 04:19 AM
No 3g networks because - Steve: "The 3G chipsets are real power hogs. Handset battery life cuts power to 2-3 hours." Yeah yeah, we've heard it before. "Our phone has a talk time of 8 hours and that's really important when you want to use your phone for internet and music. 3G needs to get back up to 5+ hours, something we think well see later next year."

rorschach
Sep 18, 2007, 04:19 AM
Steve: "The 3G chipsets are real power hogs. Handset battery life cuts power to 2-3 hours." Yeah yeah, we've heard it before. "Our phone has a talk time of 8 hours and that's really important when you want to use your phone for internet and music. 3G needs to get back up to 5+ hours, something we think well see later next year."

R.Youden
Sep 18, 2007, 04:19 AM
3G later next year i.e. iPhone 2

kristofor
Sep 18, 2007, 04:19 AM
no 3g till next yr

drater
Sep 18, 2007, 04:20 AM
that took a whole 15 mintues to get the Q&A. dang, must be cold over there or something

arkitect
Sep 18, 2007, 04:20 AM
Q&A now, it must be over! Thats it!

Surely they didn't close the flagship store down and lose sales just to lay out some tea and some buns? :confused: :(

Project
Sep 18, 2007, 04:20 AM
I wonder how many texts and minutes you get with that. Better be around 1,000/400 or that's pretty pricey...


It comes with unlimited data. I dont see what the big deal is. £35 is quite competitive in that respect.

mclihah2
Sep 18, 2007, 04:21 AM
Hmmm

Somewhat deflated

It's good to have a month to contemplate whether I want to pay minimum £420 a year, just to have broadband on the go ( which is what the iphone amounts to over the ipod touch).

For the first time since January, I'm actually thinking of not buying one!

redwin11
Sep 18, 2007, 04:21 AM
Well, I'm glad the iPhone is finally here, but I'm not touching it with a bargepole.

£270 for a handset is quite ridiculous and while a lot of Mac fans in the U.S. were prepared to stump up for it, Apple will get a big shock come November.

Markleshark
Sep 18, 2007, 04:21 AM
Wi-Fi Hotspots, free. Very nice. Plus point for my touch. :D

jonharris200
Sep 18, 2007, 04:22 AM
£35, 45 and 55 p/m

That's comfortably out of range for many of us, then.

Project
Sep 18, 2007, 04:22 AM
Wi-Fi Hotspots, free. Very nice. Plus point for my touch. :D

Yes, provided by the Cloud. Very nice as thats about £11 a month.

shadowmoses
Sep 18, 2007, 04:23 AM
Well, I'm glad the iPhone is finally here, but I'm not touching it with a bargepole.

£270 for a handset is quite ridiculous and while a lot of Mac fans in the U.S. were prepared to stump up for it, Apple will get a big shock come November.

I am pretty sure come November they will fly off the shelves. when you take into account its an iPod as well as a phone/web browser £270 is not ridiculous.

ShadoW

Gilfanon
Sep 18, 2007, 04:24 AM
Sweet! 3 pubs near me offer wifi through the cloud. Like I needed another excuse to go to the pub :)

http://www.thecloud.net/For-you/Where
(wifi spot finder)

erandall38
Sep 18, 2007, 04:25 AM
Wi-Fi Hotspots, free. Very nice. Plus point for my touch. :D

What if they only offer free access to the iPhone. It should be able to recognize the difference between the two and they said it was a partnership with O2 and cloud right?
O2 would careless about the touch.

Manic Mouse
Sep 18, 2007, 04:25 AM
It comes with unlimited data. I dont see what the big deal is. £35 is quite competitive in that respect.

The "big deal" is that it's a phone too. What's the point of spending all that money if it comes with so little minutes/texts that it's useless as a phone?

ascender
Sep 18, 2007, 04:25 AM
Any word on how and when we can order these if we're either a new customer or an existing O2 customer?

rorschach
Sep 18, 2007, 04:25 AM
Matthew: "18 months contract. There is a limit: 1,400 internet pages per day would break the deal as part of fair usage agreement."

iLionel
Sep 18, 2007, 04:26 AM
Well, I'm glad the iPhone is finally here, but I'm not touching it with a bargepole.

£270 for a handset is quite ridiculous and while a lot of Mac fans in the U.S. were prepared to stump up for it, Apple will get a big shock come November.

What the hell is the problem with the price? Ever heard of the Nokia 8800?

rorschach
Sep 18, 2007, 04:27 AM
Q: What's the revenue sharing from data and device sales between Apple and O2?

Steve: "Unfortunately, we're not going to go into that, but good question!" Laughter.

Markleshark
Sep 18, 2007, 04:27 AM
What if they only offer free access to the iPhone. It should be able to recognize the difference between the two and they said it was a partnership with O2 and cloud right?
O2 would careless about the touch.

True enough, but hopefully not. We'll see.

rorschach
Sep 18, 2007, 04:28 AM
Heh. Someone just asked about unlocking.

Project
Sep 18, 2007, 04:28 AM
The "big deal" is that it's a phone too. What's the point of spending all that money if it comes with so little minutes/texts that it's useless as a phone?


And do you know what the minutes/texts are?

maverick808
Sep 18, 2007, 04:28 AM
£35 for the cheapest contract!? Naaaaaaah, that sucks. T-Mobile UK do unlimited data, and a decent talk plan, for £22.50.

I've already got an iPhone and was sure that when they were officially released in the UK I'd just contract up with O2. However, now I think I'll keep my phone unlocked and sign up with T-Mobile.

aswitcher
Sep 18, 2007, 04:30 AM
What if they only offer free access to the iPhone. It should be able to recognize the difference between the two and they said it was a partnership with O2 and cloud right?
O2 would careless about the touch.

If they allowed the touch it would undermine iphone sales but it would be a huge + for touch sales...huge...

Peace
Sep 18, 2007, 04:30 AM
I demand royalties for what Jobs said about unlocking!!

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=4196126&postcount=56

Cloudane
Sep 18, 2007, 04:30 AM
If Apple is teaming up with Cloud, does that mean Microsoft is teaming up with Sephiroth?

Anyway good choice, I also know of a couple of pubs that have Cloud Wifi. Never used it because it's normally quite expensive, same price as a home broadband line for something you'll use once in a blue moon, hmm. But free = sweet.

Might think about it when my Three contract is up (next year). 3G is not all that good, it's only really available in the centre of towns or cities, and Three are absolutely atrocious for Customer Service.

Of course, that also depends on how the Touch turns out, I want an Apple not a Lemon.

redwin11
Sep 18, 2007, 04:31 AM
I am pretty sure come November they will fly off the shelves. when you take into account its an iPod as well as a phone/web browser £270 is not ridiculous.

ShadoW

It will be popular with those who have no problem paying for a handset on pay monthly contracts. In other words, not too many.

Whilst many people (myself included) would be prepared to pay an extra £5/£10 a month for a decent tariff, having to stump up almost £300 on top of that for a handset which cannot be upgraded for 18 months is not realistic.

Manic Mouse
Sep 18, 2007, 04:31 AM
And do you know what the minutes/texts are?

That's why I was asking. It's kind of pointless simply saying "unlimited data" for £35 per month but not telling us how many texts/minutes we're getting. They could be horrendously low, meaning it's a rip-off. Or fairly decent. But we have no idea yet.

hob
Sep 18, 2007, 04:32 AM
Did O2 guy just say that only 30% of the country will have O2 EDGE at launch? This is a complete swizz. No-one will buy this till iPhone 2... avec 3G!

drater
Sep 18, 2007, 04:32 AM
isn't illegal in Europe to have a phone that is locked to one specific service provider?

OllyW
Sep 18, 2007, 04:33 AM
£35 for the cheapest contract!? Naaaaaaah, that sucks. T-Mobile UK do unlimited data, and a decent talk plan, for £22.50.

I've already got an iPhone and was sure that when they were officially released in the UK I'd just contract up with O2. However, now I think I'll keep my phone unlocked and sign up with T-Mobile.

That T-Mobile deal was about the price I was hoping for. £35 is too expensive for me :mad:

hob
Sep 18, 2007, 04:33 AM
That's why I was asking. It's kind of pointless simply saying "unlimited data" for £35 per month but not telling us how many texts/minutes we're getting. They could be horrendously low, meaning it's a rip-off. Or fairly decent. But we have no idea yet.

Perhaps he means there's no free minutes/texts :p

phantasmagoria
Sep 18, 2007, 04:33 AM
Now up on the 02 store: http://shop.o2.co.uk/promo/iphone

Loge
Sep 18, 2007, 04:33 AM
Matthew: "18 months contract. There is a limit: 1,400 internet pages per day would break the deal as part of fair usage agreement."

Wouldn't it take the best part of a day to view that many pages on EDGE?

FiveEcco
Sep 18, 2007, 04:34 AM
Nothing about the german iPhone. :( I am disappointed.

rorschach
Sep 18, 2007, 04:34 AM
On the Touch:

Steve: "Well, one's a phone, and one's not. The iPod touch is training wheels for the iPhone." Ha! Oh boy, that's rich.

M-X
Sep 18, 2007, 04:34 AM
O2 store back up with pricing but no pre-orders

O2 iPhone £35 O2 iPhone £45 O2 iPhone £55
Inclusive Minutes 200 600 1200
Inclusive SMS 200 500 500
Data Unlimited* Unlimited* Unlimited*
WiFi Unlimited* Unlimited* Unlimited*
Voicemail Free Free Free
Roaming Special roaming
rates with ITS Special roaming
rates with ITS Special roaming
rates with ITS

Markleshark
Sep 18, 2007, 04:35 AM
Either this is the most boring press event ever, or Phil Schiller isnt just there for morale support.

Daremo
Sep 18, 2007, 04:35 AM
I wish someone would ask about FEATURES that are missing... :mad:

thefunkymunky
Sep 18, 2007, 04:35 AM
O2 iPhone (http://shop.o2.co.uk/promo/iphone) Store is up.

Project
Sep 18, 2007, 04:36 AM
That's why I was asking. It's kind of pointless simply saying "unlimited data" for £35 per month but not telling us how many texts/minutes we're getting. They could be horrendously low, meaning it's a rip-off. Or fairly decent. But we have no idea yet.


200/200 for the £35
600/500 for the £45

superduperjacob
Sep 18, 2007, 04:36 AM
Perhaps he means there's no free minutes/texts :p

http://shop.o2.co.uk/promo/iphonetariffs

FatMax
Sep 18, 2007, 04:36 AM
"The 3G chipsets are real power hogs"

- Steve Jobs

Now, thats ********. On my phone I can choose which network to use, 3G or GSM. Wouldnt it be natural to have this choice one the iphone ?

Apple is sooo american..

Markleshark
Sep 18, 2007, 04:37 AM
200/200 for the £35
600/500 for the £45

Woooow. That is dire.

Project
Sep 18, 2007, 04:38 AM
"To give everyone a chance, there'll be a limit of two iPhones per customer in-store and online. We're afraid we can't accept cash - Credit or debit cards only."

LOL.

AnDi86
Sep 18, 2007, 04:39 AM
200 minutes and 200 texts for £35 thats ridiculous!

Daremo
Sep 18, 2007, 04:39 AM
Apple is sooo american..

Thank heavens for that. I like my Apple products with good teeth. :D

Mitch1984
Sep 18, 2007, 04:39 AM
isn't illegal in Europe to have a phone that is locked to one specific service provider?

Nope.

Everyones saying that £35 is too expensive, but that's with unlimited data. In fact it'll save a lot of money, I'm spending £30 on line rental (which includes 1100 texts and 500 minutes), £5 on phone insurance and about £40-50 on data. That's £80-90 a month I'm spending.

TheEcon
Sep 18, 2007, 04:39 AM
isn't illegal in Europe to have a phone that is locked to one specific service provider?

Only in some countries. In some, it is illegal to lock a GSM phone to a contract but 3G phones can be locked.

alexeismertin
Sep 18, 2007, 04:39 AM
What the hell is the problem with the price? Ever heard of the Nokia 8800?

Yeah, Free phone + £30p/m on Vodafone (8800 - nice to look at crap to use)

Manic Mouse
Sep 18, 2007, 04:39 AM
That T-Mobile deal was about the price I was hoping for. £35 is too expensive for me :mad:

I was hoping for £30-ish. £35 is a little steep (that's £690 with the phone for a year) whereas you could simply buy a bigger iPod touch for less. I spend 70% of my time within easy reach of a computer with broadband (as do most of us), is £420 a year worth it for the other 30%?

aswitcher
Sep 18, 2007, 04:39 AM
Woooow. That is dire.

Agreed, if thats the prices for Aus as well then I am happier with my decision to get a touch.

Phil A.
Sep 18, 2007, 04:40 AM
Steve: "Well, one's a phone, and one's not. The iPod touch is training wheels for the iPhone."

Way to diss your supposed top end iPod there, Steve.

Manic Mouse
Sep 18, 2007, 04:40 AM
200/200 for the £35
600/500 for the £45

Considering I currently get 500/300 for £19 a month with O2 that really is piss-poor.

I feel sorry for the saps who'll end up paying this.

Heck, with Pay and Go you get 300 texts free a month when you top up £10, so you can use your other £10 for calls.

M-X
Sep 18, 2007, 04:41 AM
Woooow. That is dire.

I'm definitely gonna go for a refurb 8gb ($369 incl tax) when I'm in DC next week...I get 500 minutes on orange for £22.50 and will hopefully be able to piggy back off the cloud :cool:

aswitcher
Sep 18, 2007, 04:41 AM
Steve: "Well, one's a phone, and one's not. The iPod touch is training wheels for the iPhone."

Way to diss your supposed top end iPod there, Steve.

I bet by Christmas Apple will start adding more features to the touch once they have their torrent of sales in the US and UK/Europe for the iPhone.

BoyBach
Sep 18, 2007, 04:42 AM
http://shop.o2.co.uk/promo/iphonetariffs

85330

drater
Sep 18, 2007, 04:43 AM
its funny how the red coats were making fun of how us yanks complain. now....FEEL OUR PAIN! just be thankful you don't have AT&T over there. I'd pay $20 extra a month just be on a different service provider, or at least for R&D on new and improved customer/technical support...like a donation.:cool:

Loge
Sep 18, 2007, 04:44 AM
Steve: "Well, one's a phone, and one's not. The iPod touch is training wheels for the iPhone."

Way to diss your supposed top end iPod there, Steve.

"Wonder of the world" to "training wheels" in two weeks. :p

siurpeeman
Sep 18, 2007, 04:44 AM
I'm definitely gonna go for a refurb 8gb ($369 incl tax) when I'm in DC next week...I get 500 minutes on orange for £22.50 and will hopefully be able to piggy back off the cloud :cool:

i thought you could only buy refurb products online. :confused:

Phil A.
Sep 18, 2007, 04:44 AM
Matthew: "80% of high end customers from other networks would be willing to switch carriers based on their data." But he won't discuss specific sales numbers.

That's a huge call, and I hope O2 haven't based their business model on those figures. Maybe if it had 3G, but 30% Edge coverage of the UK (so 70% are stuck at 9,600 speeds) really doesn't make me even mildly interested in jumping ship to O2
I was thinking about an iPod touch but seeing as how Apple apparently hold it in disdain (see previous comment), I may have to re-consider.

iLionel
Sep 18, 2007, 04:45 AM
Yeah, Free phone + £30p/m on Vodafone (8800 - nice to look at crap to use)

No, I just looked on the Vodafone site, it's £180 + £35 per month.

Markleshark
Sep 18, 2007, 04:47 AM
The End.

Crap.

Manic Mouse
Sep 18, 2007, 04:47 AM
Seems that 40% rumour was true. Those tariffs are a pure rip-off and only an idiot would pay £35 a month for 200 mins and 200 texts. You can get better deals on Pay and Go for frig's sake.

Apple, you are idiots. Why would anyone get this over a 16Gb iPod touch?

Ubuntu
Sep 18, 2007, 04:47 AM
No, I just looked on the Vodafone site, it's £180 + £35 per month.

He may have found it elsewhere. There are countless sites that sell contract phones for cheaper than the original service provider.

Daremo
Sep 18, 2007, 04:48 AM
How the hell can a Q&A session open and close, and not one person asked about MMS, IChat, Copy and Paste... Ugh. What a disappointment.

rorschach
Sep 18, 2007, 04:48 AM
Q: Have you thought about opening the iPhone to 3rd parties?

Steve: "Yes, we've already done that with Web 2.0. We're looking at more intimate apps. But people hold their phones to a higher standard than their PC. The more open you are, the less predictable." Again, same ol' same ol'.

footandmaff
Sep 18, 2007, 04:48 AM
Wow that was a real disapointment, looks like I won't be buying one of those then. I've got no problem with paying for the iPhone at that price but the tariff deals from O2 simply aren't value for money.

Cloudane
Sep 18, 2007, 04:49 AM
More and more proof that Steve does not like the Touch, didn't intend to make one and did not want to be arm-twisted into it.

"Q: Were you aware that the iPod touch was coming out when you were negotiating the iPhone deal?

Matthew: "One of the great things about working with Apple is they are always moving forward.""

You can almost feel the sarcasm in that sentence! In other words, no, O2 didn't know about the Touch. I doubt Apple did either.

"The iPod touch is training wheels for the iPhone"

Ouch!

jhenry
Sep 18, 2007, 04:49 AM
10:42 - Q: Unlimited data packages: will those go to other contracts as well?

Matthew: "On 1st October we'll be rolling those out for all out customers."
Steve: "it's the future."

So basically you have to pay £35 a month for a contract with 200 mins/200 texts when you could get one of the cheaper o2 deals with another phone and still have the unlimited data!? Seems a bit ridiculous and just shows how much of a rip-off the contract is!

Markleshark
Sep 18, 2007, 04:49 AM
Seems that 40% rumour was true. Those tariffs are a pure rip-off and only an idiot would pay £35 a month for 200 mins and 200 texts. You can get better deals on Pay and Go for frig's sake.

Apple, you are idiots. Why would anyone get this over a 16Gb iPod touch?

Thats the truth. Maybe they'll get their fingers out and ship my touch now.

alexeismertin
Sep 18, 2007, 04:50 AM
No, I just looked on the Vodafone site, it's £180 + £35 per month.

Thats for new customers from Vodafone direct, i've just finished a 18 month contract with Vodafone with the 8800 (bought from 3rd party retailer online + discounts etc). The phone was crap and knocked out on ebay for £280.

As a side note i've seen the N95 free + £30/£35 recently online (thats not including cashback / free gifts).

hob
Sep 18, 2007, 04:50 AM
More and more proof that Steve does not like the Touch, didn't intend to make one and did not want to be arm-twisted into it.


What other proof has there been?

phantasmagoria
Sep 18, 2007, 04:50 AM
UK Apple Store is back up but I can't see any reference to the iPhone yet

Edit: Store's gone back down again now!

Project
Sep 18, 2007, 04:51 AM
Hmm. Shouldn't be too hard to unlock the phone and stick any O2 SIM in there.

aswitcher
Sep 18, 2007, 04:51 AM
More and more proof that Steve does not like the Touch, didn't intend to make one and did not want to be arm-twisted into it.

"Q: Were you aware that the iPod touch was coming out when you were negotiating the iPhone deal?

Matthew: "One of the great things about working with Apple is they are always moving forward.""

You can almost feel the sarcasm in that sentence! In other words, no, O2 didn't know about the Touch. I doubt Apple did either.

"The iPod touch is training wheels for the iPhone"

Ouch!

Its just to appease O2. I see an iTouch rampup in January for MWSF.

Project
Sep 18, 2007, 04:52 AM
So who is still buying?

Or is it just me?

sionharris
Sep 18, 2007, 04:52 AM
Compared to T-Mobile, those are very, very poor monthly rates.

I am currently with O2 but will be moving to T-Mobile next month if they can offer me a better deal. I was hoping the iPhone might shake O2 up a bit to offer good unlimited data tariffs, but if today is anything to go by they will be a complete waste of time.

With investing in EDGE, training up 1,000 people to deal with iPhone queries and agreeing to Apple's financial terms (whatever they are), I think O2 has made a very expensive mistake.

maverick808
Sep 18, 2007, 04:52 AM
The O2 plans totally suck. As I see it I have two choices.

1) Contract T-Mobile. They do 170 minutes and unlimited data for £22.50.
2) PAYG Orange. You can get unlimited data on PAYG for £1 for a day. So whenever I'm travelling for a weekend I'll just pay the couple of pound to have data on those occasions.

What definitely is not an option is the O2 plans. Who would pay £35 for 200 minutes? That ends up being more for a contract than you'd pay for the same minutes with PAYG.

BoyBach
Sep 18, 2007, 04:53 AM
Why would anyone get this over a 16Gb iPod touch?


Because it's a phone?

dalvin200
Sep 18, 2007, 04:53 AM
So basically you have to pay £35 a month for a contract with 200 mins/200 texts when you could get one of the cheaper o2 deals with another phone and still have the unlimited data!? Seems a bit ridiculous and just shows how much of a rip-off the contract is!

how do you know the £35 is for 200 mins / 200 texts?

Compile 'em all
Sep 18, 2007, 04:53 AM
Hmm. Shouldn't be too hard to unlock the phone and stick any O2 SIM in there.

Hold on there buddy!! Current iPhones run firmware 1.0.2 which has been hacked to death. It is rumored that the new firmware (which will probably come pre-installed on new iPhones) will patch the bug used to unlock current iPhones.

redwin11
Sep 18, 2007, 04:53 AM
I thought the iPhone, combined with new O2 tariffs, would be what finally made mobile internet accessible to the mass.

Instead, all this does is give high end (business) mobile users a better rate and a swankier phone than their last one.

Will O2 be opening these tariffs to other handsets?
Because i'd be prepared to take one for my Xda i currently have.

Manic Mouse
Sep 18, 2007, 04:53 AM
Thats the truth. Maybe they'll get their fingers out and ship my touch now.

And it gets worse, all contract users get unlimited data now. So you aren't even paying for that.

Absolute rip-off. Scandalous even.

Project
Sep 18, 2007, 04:54 AM
Hold on there buddy!! Current iPhones run firmware 1.0.2 which has been hacked to death. It is rumored that the new firmware (which will probably come pre-installed on new iPhones) will patch the bug used to unlock current iPhones.

And that firmware will be cracked too.

hob
Sep 18, 2007, 04:54 AM
Apple have either gotten a bit silly recently or I've gotten a bit more picky - but no, I shall not be cancelling my contract, moving my number to O2, and buying an iPhone.

No 3G is a definite deal-breaker.

Dos anyone else find it strange that they're talking about "the future" whilst now heavily investing in EDGE - an outdated technology? It would've made sense to go with Orange who already have an EDGE network (that no-one uses...)

mclihah2
Sep 18, 2007, 04:55 AM
Well the way it looks, I'm not buying one.

Unless I can unlock it (and use it on a cheaper tariff)

Does anyone know whether it will work on a non iphone O2 sim?

Compile 'em all
Sep 18, 2007, 04:55 AM
I thought the iPhone, combined with new O2 tariffs, would be what finally made mobile internet accessible to the mass.


The iPhone in its current form AND price was never geared at the masses.

Manic Mouse
Sep 18, 2007, 04:56 AM
Because it's a phone?

The most expensive one on the planet. And I don't mean the hardware, I mean to actually use it as a phone.

Loge
Sep 18, 2007, 04:57 AM
Apple, you are idiots. Why would anyone get this over a 16Gb iPod touch?

So they can enter calendar events? ;)

Gilfanon
Sep 18, 2007, 04:58 AM
To be honest those contract rates look like a normal pay monthly contract with The Cloud's unlimited plan rolled in.

e.g. Vodafone's 225/250 plan is £25. The Cloud's unlimited wifi is £10 per month. Add em up and you get £35 a month for unlimited wifi and 225/250. (I'd check O2's current plans but their site is crawling, so using Vodafone as a comparator)

The 'free' wifi is anything but- they've just rolled it into the O2 contract price...

notsofatjames
Sep 18, 2007, 04:58 AM
O2 is a leading provider of mobile services to consumers and businesses in the UK. These services include voice, text, media messaging, games, music and video, as well as always on data connections via GPRS, EDGE, 3G and WLAN.

from http://www.apple.com/uk/pr/2007/09/180907_iphone.html. Could this mean 3G Support.

ihiphop
Sep 18, 2007, 04:59 AM
Why does apple have to fuel the Rip Off culture.

Waste of morning and waste of time.

RIP iPhone in UK

jhenry
Sep 18, 2007, 04:59 AM
how do you know the £35 is for 200 mins / 200 texts?

its on the O2 website...

And with a different phone on O2 you can now (or will soon be able to get):

Online Leisure 15 - view details
1500 mins
500 texts
£15 a month

w/ unlimited data.

The iPhone tariff is a blatant rip off.

M-X
Sep 18, 2007, 04:59 AM
i thought you could only buy refurb products online. :confused:

Think you're right. Got a friend living there so he'll order to his DC address. The 4gb (new) for $299 also tempting...

BoyBach
Sep 18, 2007, 04:59 AM
The Apple UK iPhone page is up,

http://www.apple.com/uk/iphone/

Markleshark
Sep 18, 2007, 04:59 AM
So they can enter calendar events? ;)

Heheheh, made me laugh. :)

Manic Mouse
Sep 18, 2007, 05:00 AM
Anyone know how long these "exclusive" carrier deals are going on? Or when the iPhone will be at a realistic price with contract?

I honestly can't see it selling well with the most uncompetitive tariff on the market.

Manic Mouse
Sep 18, 2007, 05:02 AM
its on the O2 website...

And with a different phone on O2 you can now (or will soon be able to get):

Online Leisure 15 - view details
1500 mins
500 texts
£15 a month

w/ unlimited data.

The iPhone tariff is a blatant rip off.

Now THAT's a good deal, linky please! I might change my contract to that.

jhenry
Sep 18, 2007, 05:03 AM
Now THAT's a good deal, linky please! I might change my contract to that.

http://shop.o2.co.uk/tariffs/simonly (it's really slow atm though!)

Razzerman
Sep 18, 2007, 05:03 AM
Seems like it'll be best to wait for 3g (another 6-12 months) and an increase in capacity. You never know, they might drop the price by a £100 in a couple of months! ;)

Compile 'em all
Sep 18, 2007, 05:03 AM
from http://www.apple.com/uk/pr/2007/09/180907_iphone.html. Could this mean 3G Support.

The UK iPhone will be the SAME EXACT model as the US one. EDGE. No 3G. Makes me feel better about my unlocked iPhone :p

iLionel
Sep 18, 2007, 05:03 AM
I was expecting to see BF2142 on the Apple store, now i'm pissed. :(

Cloudane
Sep 18, 2007, 05:04 AM
What other proof has there been?

Sudden reduction in iPhone price which they must have known would cause a ruckus - could only really have been an "emergency" type measure

Crap screens (which also had to go into the iPhone to reduce costs)

Wording and tone when it was unveiled - "customers have been asking for it, so here you go"

Even at that moment when it was released, when all attention should've been on the new iPods, he made sure to point out that the iPhone is better.

totoro1966
Sep 18, 2007, 05:04 AM
OFCOM's (UK phone regulators) guidelines on SIM locking:

Current guidelines on SIM-locking

A3.6 The mobile operators’ SIM locking policies should conform to guidelines issued by the European Commission and by Oftel.

A3.7 The European Commission guidance (from 1996) is that:

end-users should be made aware at the time of purchase whether their handsets are locked;
network operators/service providers should tell end-users that unlocking is possible, or provide upon request the information necessary to unlock;
the existence and amount of the handset subsidy (and any conditions for repaying monies due under the contract) should be made clear to customers at the time of purchase; and
handsets need not be unlocked until the subsidy has been repaid.

A3.8 Oftel’s guidance (from 1998) is that:

SIM locking may be justified by objective reasons, including for handsets that are subsidised;
customers should be able to unlock their phones once the handset subsidy recovered, which should in general be by the end of 12 months, if not before; and
any administration fee charged for unlocking should be related to the costs associated with unlocking.

At this sale price, there cannot be much or a subsidy to repay?

Manic Mouse
Sep 18, 2007, 05:05 AM
http://shop.o2.co.uk/tariffs/simonly (it's really slow atm though!)

Heh, if they can reliably unlock the iPhone then with that £15 contract we are laughing.

Loge
Sep 18, 2007, 05:07 AM
its on the O2 website...

And with a different phone on O2 you can now (or will soon be able to get):

Online Leisure 15 - view details
1500 mins
500 texts
£15 a month

w/ unlimited data.

The iPhone tariff is a blatant rip off.

Before anyone gets too excited, those are off-peak (7pm-7am) minutes, surely ?

jhenry
Sep 18, 2007, 05:09 AM
Before anyone gets too excited, those are off-peak (7pm-7am) minutes, surely ?


I presume so, didn't have time to read all the terms and conditions before the site crashed (again), but I believe they include some 'peak' minutes... but! for an extra £5 you can get the same contract as the iPhone... well not exactly as you get more texts.

So really don't know why O2 think any one will pay the £35 willingly

Eric Lewis
Sep 18, 2007, 05:09 AM
at least uk has the iPhone

here in Canada....nothing

ogee
Sep 18, 2007, 05:10 AM
from http://www.apple.com/uk/pr/2007/09/180907_iphone.html. Could this mean 3G Support.

No they have said in the past and again today, NO 3G SUPPORT.

The only light at end of a very long tunnel is that Jobo did say perhaps towards the end of next year (when more efficient chips are available).

ihiphop
Sep 18, 2007, 05:10 AM
OFCOM's (UK phone regulators) guidelines on SIM locking:

Current guidelines on SIM-locking

A3.6 The mobile operators’ SIM locking policies should conform to guidelines issued by the European Commission and by Oftel.

A3.7 The European Commission guidance (from 1996) is that:

end-users should be made aware at the time of purchase whether their handsets are locked;
network operators/service providers should tell end-users that unlocking is possible, or provide upon request the information necessary to unlock;
the existence and amount of the handset subsidy (and any conditions for repaying monies due under the contract) should be made clear to customers at the time of purchase; and
handsets need not be unlocked until the subsidy has been repaid.

A3.8 Oftel’s guidance (from 1998) is that:

SIM locking may be justified by objective reasons, including for handsets that are subsidised;
customers should be able to unlock their phones once the handset subsidy recovered, which should in general be by the end of 12 months, if not before; and
any administration fee charged for unlocking should be related to the costs associated with unlocking.

At this sale price, there cannot be much or a subsidy to repay?

This is the best post today - Good one man!

benfilan
Sep 18, 2007, 05:12 AM
oh well. that wasnt too super, was it?

35quid is what i pay at the minute monthly, and i get 1000 texts, 600 mins on o2. even at that, i still think 35pounds is a bit expensive for a contract phone. and my KRZR sucks ass. so for apple to decide that 35quid is the 'base' rate for the iphone, thats stupid.

how does this compare with AT&T tariffs for the iPhone in the states?

i think i'll go with my original plan, buy american iphone, unlock, and stick my sim into it :):D:D:D:apple:

jhenry
Sep 18, 2007, 05:14 AM
OFCOM's (UK phone regulators) guidelines on SIM locking:

Current guidelines on SIM-locking

A3.6 The mobile operators’ SIM locking policies should conform to guidelines issued by the European Commission and by Oftel.

A3.7 The European Commission guidance (from 1996) is that:

end-users should be made aware at the time of purchase whether their handsets are locked;
network operators/service providers should tell end-users that unlocking is possible, or provide upon request the information necessary to unlock;
the existence and amount of the handset subsidy (and any conditions for repaying monies due under the contract) should be made clear to customers at the time of purchase; and
handsets need not be unlocked until the subsidy has been repaid.

A3.8 Oftel’s guidance (from 1998) is that:

SIM locking may be justified by objective reasons, including for handsets that are subsidised;
customers should be able to unlock their phones once the handset subsidy recovered, which should in general be by the end of 12 months, if not before; and
any administration fee charged for unlocking should be related to the costs associated with unlocking.

At this sale price, there cannot be much or a subsidy to repay?

Guess it would also depend on the wording of contracts and such, i.e. if by buying the iPhone you were agreeing to enter a deal with O2/Apple for the 18th month contract? I'm not sure how it all works really!

Exodemia
Sep 18, 2007, 05:16 AM
The iPhone is actually over-hyped and over-rated. It has a lot of standard features missing and the O2 contract is just like pouring money down the drain. I have a N95 and love it and is a much better device.

drater
Sep 18, 2007, 05:16 AM
at least uk has the iPhone

here in Canada....nothing

don't get into that can of worms again, you heard the terms. We want in writing, an apology for celine dion. When we get that, you get an iPhone...maybe :D

drater
Sep 18, 2007, 05:17 AM
The iPhone is actually over-hyped and over-rated. It has a lot of standard features missing and the O2 contract is just like pouring money down the drain. I have a N95 and love it and is a much better device.

so you've had an iPhone before?

sionharris
Sep 18, 2007, 05:18 AM
its on the O2 website...

And with a different phone on O2 you can now (or will soon be able to get):

Online Leisure 15 - view details
1500 mins
500 texts
£15 a month

w/ unlimited data.

The iPhone tariff is a blatant rip off.

Yeah, great comparison. That's without a phone and the minutes can only be used after 7pm. :rolleyes:

drater
Sep 18, 2007, 05:19 AM
oh well. that wasnt too super, was it?

35quid is what i pay at the minute monthly, and i get 1000 texts, 600 mins on o2. even at that, i still think 35pounds is a bit expensive for a contract phone. and my KRZR sucks ass. so for apple to decide that 35quid is the 'base' rate for the iphone, thats stupid.

how does this compare with AT&T tariffs for the iPhone in the states?

i think i'll go with my original plan, buy american iphone, unlock, and stick my sim into it :):D:D:D:apple:

check them out. http://www.apple.com/iphone/easysetup/rateplans.html

p.s. you guys have inspired me to listen turn up some old clash and wake up the neighbors. When the cops came, I blamed England, they weren't too thrilled. Good thing I knew them.

iBlue
Sep 18, 2007, 05:20 AM
so you've had an iPhone before?
you don't need to handle crap to know it's crap.

it's an overpriced crippled phone locked to a lousy network. no thanks.

drater
Sep 18, 2007, 05:22 AM
you don't need to handle crap to know it's crap.

it's an overpriced crippled phone locked to a lousy network. no thanks.

not what I asked, but thanks for the comment. I love my iPhone by the way.

bartelby
Sep 18, 2007, 05:22 AM
you don't need to handle crap to know it's crap.

it's an overpriced crippled phone locked to a lousy network. no thanks.


To be fair my experience with O2 has been great. Better than the other networks. I've had Orange, Vodaphone and T-Mobile. I'd say they were one of the better networks.

Manic Mouse
Sep 18, 2007, 05:24 AM
Yeah, great comparison. That's without a phone and the minutes can only be used after 7pm. :rolleyes:

You have to buy the iPhone too you know.

So the only difference is that you get over twice the texts and way more minutes (but off peak) for less than half the price.

Only an absolute moron would pay the iPhone tariff, it is a rip-off plain and simple. If you're that concerned about off peak minutes you can get 200 minutes and 400 texts for £15. Or 400 minutes and 1,000 texts for £20.

See how bad the iPhone plans are? Bearing in mind all the above ALSO include unlimited data. To be perfectly frank I'm a little disgusted, the iPhone deserves to fail at those prices.

Project
Sep 18, 2007, 05:30 AM
You have to buy the iPhone too you know.

So the only difference is that you get over twice the texts and way more minutes (but off peak) for less than half the price.

Only an absolute moron would pay the iPhone tariff, it is a rip-off plain and simple.


You know, your abuse of potential iPhone customers is getting kind of tiresome.

I want the iPhone. The tariffs are easily within what I can afford. I already pay £35 a month for my Nokia N73 so it is no change for me, but with a far superior phone and unlimited data. I'd be able to find a better deal on another network but no other network is carrying the iPhone. So I will be paying my £35 a month.

If you can get a better deal with another phone, then go ahead and get that. But to constantly abuse those who will still take the bait on this is, well, moronic.

Manic Mouse
Sep 18, 2007, 05:34 AM
You know, your abuse of potential iPhone customers is getting kind of tiresome.

I want the iPhone. The tariffs are easily within what I can afford. I already pay £35 a month for my Nokia N73 so it is no change for me, but with a far superior phone and unlimited data. I'd be able to find a better deal on another network but no other network is carrying the iPhone. So I will be paying my £35 a month.

If you can get a better deal with another phone, then go ahead and get that. But to constantly abuse those who will still take the bait on this is, well, moronic.

A fool and their money is what they say. You admit you're being ripped off and are happy with it? I, personally, find that a little strange. Just buy a 16Gb iPod touch, it'll cost you a fraction of the iPhone.

No offence is intended with my posts btw. I just can't imagine what kind of person would willingly allow themselves to be ripped off for hundreds of pounds. Even if you can afford it (I can) it's the principle of it.

sionharris
Sep 18, 2007, 05:37 AM
You have to buy the iPhone too you know.

So the only difference is that you get over twice the texts and way more minutes (but off peak) for less than half the price.

Only an absolute moron would pay the iPhone tariff, it is a rip-off plain and simple. If you're that concerned about off peak minutes you can get 200 minutes and 400 texts for £15. Or 400 minutes and 1,000 texts for £20.

See how bad the iPhone plans are? Bearing in mind all the above ALSO include unlimited data. To be perfectly frank I'm a little disgusted, the iPhone deserves to fail at those prices.

I agree that the iPhone tariffs are a rip-off.

But you cannot compare off-peak minutes with anytime minutes. I make a large percentage of my calls at peak rates therefore off-peak minutes are completely out of the question.

Manic Mouse
Sep 18, 2007, 05:42 AM
I agree that the iPhone tariffs are a rip-off.

But you cannot compare off-peak minutes with anytime minutes. I make a large percentage of my calls at peak rates therefore off-peak minutes are completely out of the question.

Then how about 400 mins (on peak) and 1,000 texts for £20?

Does that compare to 200 mins and 200 texts for £35?

If the iPod Touch didn't exist I could understand people being prepared to pay that amount for the iPhone. But as it is you're paying for the convenience of having one device instead of two. For me that isn't really worth the hundred of pounds you end up paying over the odds for an iPhone.

Project
Sep 18, 2007, 05:42 AM
A fool and their money is what they say. You admit you're being ripped off and are happy with it? I, personally, find that a little strange. Just buy a 16Gb iPod touch, it'll cost you a fraction of the iPhone.

No offence is intended with my posts btw. I just can't imagine what kind of person would willingly allow themselves to be ripped off for hundreds of pounds. Even if you can afford it (I can) it's the principle of it.


I don't really see it as a rip off though and never said that I did. I see it as a price to entry that I can afford for a service I am prepared to pay for. Sure there are better deals on tariffs elsewhere, but for my needs, unlimited data and free access to the Cloud wifi spots (which I currently pay £11 a month for) plus visual voicemail is not too bad.

The iPhone lets me have one device in my pocket and fits perfectly into my Mac workflow. For me personally, all of this is worth paying a premium for. And yes it is a premium compared to other (inferior to me) phones. It might not be for you, but I ain't here to judge you. So stop judging everybody else.


The iPod Touch can't call people. It cant receive calls. It has no email. It has no bluetooth. It has no camera. It has no speaker. It doesn't have the funky clickbutton on the earphones. It has read-only calendar. It has an inferior screen. It has no hardware volume silencer. And so on and so forth.

Manic Mouse
Sep 18, 2007, 05:56 AM
The iPod Touch can't call people. It cant receive calls. It has no email. It has no bluetooth. It has no camera. It has no speaker. It doesn't have the funky clickbutton on the earphones. It has read-only calendar. It has an inferior screen. It has no hardware volume silencer. And so on and so forth.

You're more than entitled to spend your money as you like, but I would say there would be better ways to spend your money:

16Gb iPod touch: £270
Good digital camera: £200
Phone: £150
Contract: £270 (at £15 a month for 200 mins, 400 texts, unlimited data)
Total: £890

8Gb iPhone: £270
Contract: £630 (at £35 a month for 200 mins, 200 texts, unlimited data)
Total: £900

What's better value?

jhenry
Sep 18, 2007, 05:58 AM
I don't really see it as a rip off though and never said that I did. I see it as a price to entry that I can afford for a service I am prepared to pay for. Sure there are better deals on tariffs elsewhere, but for my needs, unlimited data and free access to the Cloud wifi spots (which I currently pay £11 a month for) plus visual voicemail is not too bad.

The iPhone lets me have one device in my pocket and fits perfectly into my Mac workflow. For me personally, all of this is worth paying a premium for. And yes it is a premium compared to other (inferior to me) phones. It might not be for you, but I ain't here to judge you. So stop judging everybody else.


The iPod Touch can't call people. It cant receive calls. It has no email. It has no bluetooth. It has no camera. It has no speaker. It doesn't have the funky clickbutton on the earphones. It has read-only calendar. It has an inferior screen. It has no hardware volume silencer. And so on and so forth.

But it's not even about other networks... you can get better deals on O2. I don't think Manic Mouse is judging people, just suprised!

Now don't get me wrong, I really like the iPhone, I think (from what I've seen) it's a great device and it would fit perfectly into my Mac workflow too... I've bought Apple products for many years now (from powermac's to various iPods to Macbook Pro's etc.) and love them to bits... but the iPhone isn't worth an overpriced data tariff like that...

It's not even the phone... it's the actual contract rate that is absurd!

Project
Sep 18, 2007, 06:01 AM
You're more than entitled to spend your money as you like, but I would say there would be better ways to spend your money:

16Gb iPod touch: £270
Camera: £200
Phone: £150
Contract: £270 (at £15 a month for 200 mins, 400 texts, unlimited data)
Total: £890

8Gb iPhone: £270
Contract: £630 (at £35 a month for 200 mins, 200 texts, unlimited data)
Total: £900

What's better value?

For me its a no brainer - the iPhone. You honestly asking me to get 3 separate devices?

One device - one thing to charge, one thing to dock
Every aspect syncs with my Mac (cant say this for any other phone)
The UI blows every other phone away

Cant you see what im saying here? I am not interested in any other phone. The iPhone is superior to every one of them for my usage.

Also, where is this £15 a month contract with unlimited data and that many texts/minutes? Am I missing something here?

Manic Mouse
Sep 18, 2007, 06:01 AM
But it's not even about other networks... you can get better deals on O2. I don't think Manic Mouse is judging people, just suprised!

It's not even the phone... it's the actual contract rate that is absurd!

Indeed. It's not that the contract is expensive, it's that it is literally ridiculous.

Project
Sep 18, 2007, 06:02 AM
But it's not even about other networks... you can get better deals on O2. I don't think Manic Mouse is judging people, just suprised!

Now don't get me wrong, I really like the iPhone, I think (from what I've seen) it's a great device and it would fit perfectly into my Mac workflow too... I've bought Apple products for many years now (from powermac's to various iPods to Macbook Pro's etc.) and love them to bits... but the iPhone isn't worth an overpriced data tariff like that...

It's not even the phone... it's the actual contract rate that is absurd!

Where are the better contracts on O2 with unlimited data? I am an O2 user now and pay through the nose for Data.

jhenry
Sep 18, 2007, 06:06 AM
Where are the better contracts on O2 with unlimited data? I am an O2 user now and pay through the nose for Data.

They announced today that the unlimited data would be available to all contract customers soon.

Project
Sep 18, 2007, 06:07 AM
They announced today that the unlimited data would be available to all contract customers soon.


For free with the existing contract? Or is it a Bolt on? If its free, my position changes.

jhenry
Sep 18, 2007, 06:10 AM
For free with the existing contract? Or is it a Bolt on? If its free, my position changes.

10:42 - Q: Unlimited data packages: will those go to other contracts as well?

Matthew: "On 1st October we'll be rolling those our for all out customers."
Steve: "it's the future."

Have to wait and see with that one...

Project
Sep 18, 2007, 06:14 AM
Have to wait and see with that one...

Honestly cant see them giving them out for free. They will most likely be a Bolt on.

Still, its good news that O2 has finally got its ass in gear when it comes to Data. I'm scared to actually use Opera on my N73.

Manic Mouse
Sep 18, 2007, 06:17 AM
For me its a no brainer - the iPhone. You honestly asking me to get 3 separate devices?

One device - one thing to charge, one thing to dock
Every aspect syncs with my Mac (cant say this for any other phone)
The UI blows every other phone away

Cant you see what im saying here? I am not interested in any other phone. The iPhone is superior to every one of them for my usage.

Also, where is this £15 a month contract with unlimited data and that many texts/minutes? Am I missing something here?

The O2 sim-only £15 a month is that tariff.

My point is that you can have a better iPod, better camera and better phone for less money. And yes, the phone will be better because you get more minutes/texts for your money. You go on about how good a phone the iPhone is, but with the paltry amount of texts/mins you get you really aren't going to be able to use this "amazing" phone very much so it's kinda a moot point.

If you want to throw your money away I can't stop you. If having one device rather than three is really THAT important to you then fine.

Project
Sep 18, 2007, 06:23 AM
The O2 sim-only £15 a month is that tariff.

My point is that you can have a better iPod, better camera and better phone for less money. And yes, the phone will be better because you get more minutes/texts for your money. You go on about how good a phone the iPhone is, but with the paltry amount of texts/mins you get you really aren't going to be able to use this "amazing" phone very much so it's kinda a moot point.

If you want to throw your money away I can't stop you. If having one device rather than three is really THAT important to you then fine.

Where is the link that has that deal with unlimited data with peak minutes? Show me that and I will concede right away.

How is it a better iPod? The screen quality is worse. I cant change tracks without looking at the Touch. I cant pause tracks without looking at the touch. It beats it on storage but thats about it, and I would say that an 8GB Touch is far better than a 10GB iPod from yesteryear.

Gilfanon
Sep 18, 2007, 07:06 AM
I'll repost what I did earlier... My current O2 price plan is £25 per month, which gets me 200/200 to any network, any time. I get no data allowance (as far as I'm aware) and no wifi. Add in the £10 per month that The Cloud charges for unlimited wifi access and currently I would be paying £35 for slightly less than the iPhone £35 deal. That's not to say the iPhone deal is a good one, just that O2 have cr*p deals ;)

And I have to say I'm with Project- if the saving over 18 months is £10 in buying separates vs buying an all-in-one then the all-in-one wins any day of the week. I'd pay a £150 premium over that period to not have to lug 3 devices around... The real question for me is whether I can make do with only an 8Gig device rather than a 16Gig device for music, not the price. If the iPhone was 16Gigs I'd be in like a shot, even if it cost £100 more...