Canadians Please Speak Out: Why Are We Forgotten?

[donster28]

I don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing, but the whole of Canada doesn't seem to have received any 'Touch' as of this time. I called the Apple Stores here in Toronto and all they can say is: "...it's shipping on the 28th of September."). Called Best Buy, Future Shop with the same sad results.

Does anyone know a Mac only store that might have gotten theirs in?

I ordered online on Sep 6th and my shipping status remain sad: NOY YET SHIPPED.

Could this have silver lining, considering the rampant video quality issues?

[jockmock]

chill out.. No one except usa and uk get it before 28th

[gkarris]

Could this have silver lining, considering the rampant video quality issues?

They're bringing them in via the Yukon with sled dogs... :p

"Good things come to those who wait..."

Maybe Canada is getting the models with the good screen...

[vanmacguy]

Personally I couldn't give a rats behind about the iPod touch.

Where are the damn iPhones?

Cheers.

[Mrjynx]

Personally I couldn't give a rats behind about the iPod touch.

Where are the damn iPhones?

Cheers.

HA! my thoughts exactly. Now UK, Germany, US have the iPhone and still no Canada? I thought Rogers was in partnership WITH AT&T. How hard could it be to release it up here!

Also we don't get access to all of the video content in iTunes either which is annoying as well!

[SpaceJello]

HA! my thoughts exactly. Now UK, Germany, US have the iPhone and still no Canada? I thought Rogers was in partnership WITH AT&T. How hard could it be to release it up here!

Also we don't get access to all of the video content in iTunes either which is annoying as well!

Don't forget that Rogers has a monopoly of GSM phones in Canada. Have you EVER seen the pricing on unlimited data even now? It's 99.99$ CAN for the blackberry at Rogers. Imagine Apple trying to negotiate something with Rogers.... with NO competition (Fido is apart of Rogers now). Good luck.

I seriously think consumer groups should complain to the CRTC. They have NOT been protecting the rights of Canadians.

Then again, Apple may want to micro-manage the entrance into the mobile market. In all seriousness, Canada is quite small of a market.

[Blue Velvet]

In all seriousness, Canada is quite small of a market.


That might be true and who knows where negotiations are with Canadian carriers? Fact is though, that the UK — especially London — is a pre-eminent global media capital; Apple get more worldwide PR from announcing and releasing these products in London before they do in Toronto or Montreal, for instance.

When the iPhone is released in Asia, it'll be Tokyo and maybe Shanghai first. Not Seoul.

And we don't have the iPhone here yet, iPod touches yes, Nov 9 for the iPhone. And there still might be announcements for Canada to make the holiday season.

[Hoopdy]

Well, this whole situation is a bunch of bull ****. First the Apple stores got them in, then Best Buy, and now pre-orders are arriving for those Americans that whined about it for so long.

Maybe if we did the same we might have it.

[dejo]

Homer Simpson said it best: Marge, anyone can miss Canada, all tucked away down there (http://homepage.mac.com/dejo/.Public/Sounds/anyone_can_miss_canada.mp3)

[vanmacguy]

Don't forget that Rogers has a monopoly of GSM phones in Canada. Have you EVER seen the pricing on unlimited data even now? It's 99.99$ CAN for the blackberry at Rogers. Imagine Apple trying to negotiate something with Rogers.... with NO competition (Fido is apart of Rogers now). Good luck.

I seriously think consumer groups should complain to the CRTC. They have NOT been protecting the rights of Canadians.

Then again, Apple may want to micro-manage the entrance into the mobile market. In all seriousness, Canada is quite small of a market.

I agree that we are a small market when compared to the US, GB and Europe.

But we do seem to get the shaft all the time.

And I agree that Rogers and Telus have Canadians by the short ones. Our data plans are so ridiculously overpriced that I've always assumed the reason we haven't got them yet is that Apple won't let Rogers et al charge that much. I heard that Rogers first cut at a data plan for iPhone was going to cost $300 a month, and that that would give Canadians about 60% of the data that people in the US have.

At that price I don't know a single person that would sign up. As big a fan as I am and as much as I want one, there's just no way.

At $300 a month, Apple could give the iPhone away (wow what a storm of protest that would cause huh, given the problems after the price drop) and Canadians wouldn't take it (well, some probably will but they'd probably bale out of their contract before it ended).

Oh woe is me/us.

[Benjamindaines]

Calm down, have you looked at data prices in your country? It's going to take a lot of negotiating to get those prices reasonable.

[rdowns]

Take Celine Dion back and the iPhone shows up the next day. :p

[vanmacguy]

Take Celine Dion back and the iPhone shows up the next day. :p

Sorry man, that's too high a price to pay.

[PygmySurfer]

Have you EVER seen the pricing on unlimited data even now? It's 99.99$ CAN for the blackberry at Rogers.

There's an unlimited data plan at Rogers? since when? The best plan I see is 500MB, and that's $210/month! Excluding voice!

With regards to the iPod touch, not sure why we're getting screwed here in Canada. Unless those shipped to the US were all just ordered before ours - I think most everyone's order # is W3083XXXX - people haven't been pasting enough of them to see if they were ordered before mine. :)

Sep 5, 2007 at 02:17 PM PDT - Order number W30838XXX

Not yet shipped
IPOD TOUCH 16G-CAN
Ships by: Sep 28
Delivers by: Oct 2 - Oct 5

[James L]

Take Celine Dion back and the iPhone shows up the next day. :p

Keep the phone.

:D

[James L]

I am definitely not an Apple apologist. I think they screw up on a regular basis actually (and have since 1986 when I started using them).

The lack of iPhone in Canada is partially due to basic economics (smaller market), but I think it is more due to Rogers, imho.

Rogers has the ONLY GSM network in Canada. Bell and Telus are CDMA. Fido is owned by Rogers.

Rogers is making money hand over fist with insanely high data plans right now. Why would they cut that to bring in the iPhone? To us the iPhone is something special. To Rogers I am sure it is just another phone. They know their competition can't bring it in on their networks, so they aren't really losing anything by not having it. People that need that type of device will remain stuck with the smartphones Rogers currently offers, at the extortion pricing they currently charge. Apple isn't going to agree to high data plans anytime soon, so it is a stalemate.

I wouldn't hope for an iPhone in Canada anytime soon, unless you hack it.

[donster28]

I feel the pain with you guys here up north.

Just got back from Best Buy and the Apple rep (yes, Apple has invaded Best Buys here in Toronto complete with their own new section in the store) said they already have SKU's but couldn't tell me if they have them in the warehouse or not. Bummer!

[Scottyk9]

With respect to Rogers rates, keep in mind the area potentially covered is very large with relatively (compared to the US) low population density, and 1/10th the total population. It is easy to imagine how providing cellular network coverage may be more costly, and that perhaps $/MB should not be 1:1 with other markets.

Saying this, more competition in Canada would be great.

[thegrue]

With respect to Rogers rates, keep in mind the area potentially covered is very large with relatively (compared to the US) low population density, and 1/10th the total population. It is easy to imagine how providing cellular network coverage may be more costly, and that perhaps $/MB should not be 1:1 with other markets.

Saying this, more competition in Canada would be great.

I live in a country the size of the US, the population of New York City, and UMTS and/or HSDPA coverage in all major cities, with much much cheaper data plans than Canada. It's not a demographic issue over there, it's pure greed.

[PygmySurfer]

Rogers is making money hand over fist with insanely high data plans right now. Why would they cut that to bring in the iPhone? To us the iPhone is something special. To Rogers I am sure it is just another phone. They know their competition can't bring it in on their networks, so they aren't really losing anything by not having it. People that need that type of device will remain stuck with the smartphones Rogers currently offers, at the extortion pricing they currently charge. Apple isn't going to agree to high data plans anytime soon, so it is a stalemate.


I don't know, I think the high prices limit the data plans to business people for the most part. If Rogers could offer an unlimited data plan for a reasonable price, and bundle it with the iPhone, I think they could attract more customers. Whether the increased userbase would make up for the price difference though, I can't really say. I've got to think a bunch of people on an unlimited flat rate data plan has got to generate more revenue than a fraction of the users on an outrageously overpriced data plan, though.

[James L]

I don't know, I think the high prices limit the data plans to business people for the most part. If Rogers could offer an unlimited data plan for a reasonable price, and bundle it with the iPhone, I think they could attract more customers. Whether the increased userbase would make up for the price difference though, I can't really say. I've got to think a bunch of people on an unlimited flat rate data plan has got to generate more revenue than a fraction of the users on an outrageously overpriced data plan, though.

I respectfully disagree.

Many people need data plans in this day and age.

All of the data plans out there currently in Canada screw the consumer.

People are stuck going with one of them out necessity.

My opinion is Rogers has no need to change their pricing scheme. The industry is price fixed, if you will, and all the companies are profiting hand over fist from it.

I'm pretty sure Fido even had an unlimited plan in the past, and it was axed in favour of the current pricing scheme.

So, in order for Apple & Rogers to sign an agreement Rogers would have to slash their prices big time for an unlimited plan.... reducing income. Secondly, they would have to give Apple a share of its revenue on those new iPhone plans... further reducing revenue.

Or, they keep it the same with their GSM monopoly and continue screwing the consumer.

I would love to be proven wrong, but I am not hopeful.

[steve31]

Personally I couldn't give a rats behind about the iPod touch.

Where are the damn iPhones?

Cheers.I could not agree more!!!! It REALLY SUCKS being an Apple fan up here in Canada!!! NO MOVIES,NO TV DOWNLOADS,NO IPHONE.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[steve31]

Take Celine Dion back and the iPhone shows up the next day. :pKEEP HER!!!! I dont want the iphone that bad!!!LOL:D

[billabong]

I could not agree more!!!! It REALLY SUCKS being an Apple fan up here in Canada!!! NO MOVIES,NO TV DOWNLOADS,NO IPHONE.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
Well we do have movies and tv downloads, just not from apple... :rolleyes:

[iCantwait]

BECAUSE U SUCK

(answer to topic question)

no not really, Australia is the same.
ps we're cooler than u lol
(coz i think we get the iphone b4 u:D)

[GavinTing]

iCantwait, thats pretty rude.

To be fair, Asia is still lacking many many ipods.

[Eric Lewis]

my touch came in the mail yesturday

[grinthock]

my touch came in the mail yesturday

Screen shot? Sorry don't believe that.

My order was 2 minutes after the store re-opened and mine hasn't shipped.

Although the "EDIT" button on the engraving has gone away so it must be in production now. I'm expecting prepared for shipment by days end.

[reidjr]

Personally I couldn't give a rats behind about the iPod touch.

Where are the damn iPhones?

Cheers.

You better save you money.The data fees will be $250-300 a month.

[grinthock]

If you want to discuss the iPhone goto that forum.


I called yesterday and complained to apple, Eaton Centre store has phones (but won't sell them) and meanwhile PAYING CUSTOMERS like me have not had ipod touch unit shipped, couldn't get $$ back, or free applecare or anything, all she would let me do is "File a complaint"

As my ship date is like everyone elses... The 28th.

[donster28]

If you want to discuss the iPhone goto that forum.


I called yesterday and complained to apple, Eaton Centre store has phones (but won't sell them) and meanwhile PAYING CUSTOMERS like me have not had ipod touch unit shipped, couldn't get $$ back, or free applecare or anything, all she would let me do is "File a complaint"

As my ship date is like everyone elses... The 28th.

do you mean they have iPhone's in store?!!!! how do u know that?

[Redneck1089]

I ordered my Touch on the 6th. It still says it hasn't shipped yet. This is getting pretty ridiculous. I wouldn't care about the wait so much if basically everyone south of the border wasn't getting their's now.

Seems as if Apple doesn't care for Canada's small market, or something. No iPhone and late shipping Touches...

[chupathingy]

So now the UK has them in store but not Canada. Nice.

[Mrjynx]

It looks like they're not budging on the September 28th date. Their response is it will be RELEASED on the 28th, not before. So even if they have them, I doubt they're going to sell any which is really stupid IMO.

Maybe they can't get the online orders shipped yet so they're holding off on releasing in the store to avert the BS going on in the US (Stores getting before pre-orders)

[SpaceJello]

There's an unlimited data plan at Rogers? since when? The best plan I see is 500MB, and that's $210/month! Excluding voice!



I think the unlimited plan was with blackberries last i check(since RIM is out of waterloo, ON, they may have something there).

But all in all, i have a feeling the iphone will not make it to canada until 2 years at least later.

[nirvana06]

if you live in Toronto and have time to drive to Buffalo do that....with Canadian dollar even with US dollar you will save about $75 on the price.

[PygmySurfer]

I think the unlimited plan was with blackberries last i check(since RIM is out of waterloo, ON, they may have something there).

But all in all, i have a feeling the iphone will not make it to canada until 2 years at least later.

I was looking at Blackberry plans too, I think they topped out at even less (75mb).

[donster28]

:eek:OMG!!! Mine finally changed to 'PREPARED FOR SHIPMENT'...OMG!!! :D

[agentkow]

I traded a bunch of Air Miles for Future Shop gift certificates to take a chunk out of the Ipod Touch price when they get there, but with this long wait and the fact that I could just skip on down to Washington State and pick up one right now for $50 less, I'm somewhat regretting it.

[PygmySurfer]

I respectfully disagree.

Many people need data plans in this day and age.

Who really NEEDS a data plan outside of business use. That's why I think its mostly business customers (I could be wrong). I'd love to pick up a smartphone, even if it's not an iPhone, but I can't justify the insane rates, and I don't see how anyone could unless they were using it for work.


All of the data plans out there currently in Canada screw the consumer.

People are stuck going with one of them out necessity.

You'll enjoy this link, then (I found it on the Rogers site, btw):

http://www.cwta.ca/wirelesscompetition/


My opinion is Rogers has no need to change their pricing scheme. The industry is price fixed, if you will, and all the companies are profiting hand over fist from it.

Yup, I doubt any of the Canadian providers will be changing their plans any time soon, which is really unfortunate. It'd probably be cheaper for me to sign up with AT&T in Michigan then to get on a Rogers data plan :)


So, in order for Apple & Rogers to sign an agreement Rogers would have to slash their prices big time for an unlimited plan.... reducing income. Secondly, they would have to give Apple a share of its revenue on those new iPhone plans... further reducing revenue.

Or, they keep it the same with their GSM monopoly and continue screwing the consumer.

I would love to be proven wrong, but I am not hopeful.

I think we'd all love to see you proven wrong :) Not counting on it, though! I think the best we can hope for is for someone else to set up a GSM network in Canada.

Back on topic, my order still says Not yet shipped :mad: