A mother cuts off her baby's head

[wdlove]

In Germany a 31 year old mother cut off the head of her 10 month old. She used a bread knife. This makes me so sad. I can't even imagine a mother doing this to her child! :(

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-12741321,00.html

[mactastic]

Thats awful.

There was a man arrested recently here in the US for the shotgun murders of 3 of his own kids under age 10, and the attempted murder of his daughter. Sick.

[Mr. Anderson]

That's so nasty and sick, I'm not even going to click on the link to see more.....blah :(

[edesignuk]

...sick :(

[Backtothemac]

See, justice would be to take her out in the middle of the town square, and cut her head off with a dull butter knife.

[tazo]

yes it would. I would hate to see the amount of lawyers who would try and defend her over here :mad:

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by tazo
yes it would. I would hate to see the amount of lawyers who would try and defend her over here :mad:

You know there are some things that there are just no defense for. But, they will claim that she was temp insane, and get her a couple of years in a mental health facility, only to let her back on the street.

Some people do not deserve to breath the air that the rest of us do.

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by Backtothemac
You know there are some things that there are just no defense for. But, they will claim that she was temp insane, and get her a couple of years in a mental health facility
Well, there is no defence, but, no one that is right in the head could possibly do this, she must have a mental condition.

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by edesignuk
Well, there is no defence, but, no one that is right in the head could possibly do this, she must have a mental condition.

Or just be an evil twisted human. Doesn't matter. She should never walk the streets of Germany again.

[tazo]

exactly, and at that point any civil justice system breaks down :( the day you let someone like that go off and have more kids :mad:

[OutThere]

Not to give her ANY leeway, it was incredibly sick thing she did, but she could have been on drugs at the time, you never know. Sick sick :(

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by OutThere761
Not to give her ANY leeway, it was incredibly sick thing she did, but she could have been on drugs at the time, you never know. Sick sick :(


Then they should clean her up, and cut off her head with a dull butter knife.

There can be no leeway for people like this. Zero. Nadda, Ziltch.

[MrMacMan]

Originally posted by Backtothemac
Then they should clean her up, and cut off her head with a dull butter knife.

There can be no leeway for people like this. Zero. Nadda, Ziltch.

You see, i don't like the eye for the eye thing.

What she did was horrible, I cannot imagine why... she is just sadistic...

[G4scott]

A woman from a town close to where I live decapitated all of her children. I can't remember if it was 2 or 3 of them...

What sucks, is that they can plead insanity, and not get a harder penalty in the US...

[mactastic]

Oh boy. Capitol punishment debate, here we go. Again.:p

[Backtothemac]

Well, you know how I feel about it. I don't think for all cases, but for something like this. Yea, let them meet the cold needle, and say bye bye.

[mactastic]

Did we get any facts yet? Other than what she did? Let's reserve calls for her death until we find out she was a cold blooded rational killer.

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by mactastic
Did we get any facts yet? Other than what she did? Let's reserve calls for her death until we find out she was a cold blooded rational killer.

Yea, she called a member of her family and told them what she did. Sane enough to do that and show remourse.

[mactastic]

Originally posted by Backtothemac
Yea, she called a member of her family and told them what she did. Sane enough to do that and show remourse.

So did that lady in Texas, and she's got a life sentence. In Texas mind you. The most likely place outside of Saudi Arabia that you will be put to death. Of course we found out she was a whack job with a controlling freak of a husband.

[applemacdude]

Oh, God...That makes me so sad to hear a mother is harsh enough to kill a poor little baby...killing it is bad enough but cuting it head is just too much, someone should but her head off with a rusty old knife...:( :( :(

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by mactastic
So did that lady in Texas, and she's got a life sentence. In Texas mind you. The most likely place outside of Saudi Arabia that you will be put to death. Of course we found out she was a whack job with a controlling freak of a husband.

Yea, but you know what. You cannot tell me that you will run down your children through the house, and one by one drag them to the bathroom and kill them.

She doesn't deserve to live, and should hang until her feet quit kicking.

[beez7777]

Originally posted by Backtothemac
Then they should clean her up, and cut off her head with a dull butter knife.

There can be no leeway for people like this. Zero. Nadda, Ziltch.

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
-Gandhi

she definitely deserves life in prison for this though.

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by beez7777
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
-Gandhi

she definitely deserves life in prison for this though.

What would someone have to do to deserve death?

[mactastic]

Deserve death is different from being executed by the state. Nothing warrants the death penalty. It is a primitive form of punishment that does not deter criminals. It is applied unfairly, it costs more than a lifetime in a cell, and you can make mistakes. I have no problem with never letting this woman see the light of day again, but killing her will not make the next person stop before they kill their kids to think "You know, I might get executed if I do this, instead of just life in prison." It won't bring the kids back that she killed. It won't help her family recover from this. The only thing it does is sate our appetite for vengence.

[MacAztec]

Originally posted by mactastic
Deserve death is different from being executed by the state. Nothing warrants the death penalty. It is a primitive form of punishment that does not deter criminals. It is applied unfairly, it costs more than a lifetime in a cell, and you can make mistakes. I have no problem with never letting this woman see the light of day again, but killing her will not make the next person stop before they kill their kids to think "You know, I might get executed if I do this, instead of just life in prison." It won't bring the kids back that she killed. It won't help her family recover from this. The only thing it does is sate our appetite for vengence.

Wait, so letting her live, and using tax dollars to keep her alive is better then her going to death?

Nobody really cares if the kids come back, as long as the sick whore is put to death. I really don't believe in some people that do horrible things getting "Life in Prison".

Its crap, we pay for them to live, how great is that? Our system is screwed up, it takes YEARS to be put to death once on death row.

Why not take em out to a field and shoot them? "Because that is horrible!"

So is that person murdering children, etc.

[RobVanDam]

Originally posted by mactastic
Deserve death is different from being executed by the state. Nothing warrants the death penalty. It is a primitive form of punishment that does not deter criminals. It is applied unfairly, it costs more than a lifetime in a cell, and you can make mistakes. I have no problem with never letting this woman see the light of day again, but killing her will not make the next person stop before they kill their kids to think "You know, I might get executed if I do this, instead of just life in prison." It won't bring the kids back that she killed. It won't help her family recover from this. The only thing it does is sate our appetite for vengence. It costs more than a lifetime in a cell because people don't know how to execute efficiently. Hell, you give me $20 and I'll have a reasonable set-up that will kill as efficently as anything else. And there is no hope at rehabilitation because only the stupidest of people would say that they would want that person living next door to them after they're "rehabilitated".

Aztec, this was in Germany by the way.

Proper punishment: Cut off her head with a bread knife.

[Powerbook G5]

The Romans had two methods that were extremely cheap and even *made* lots of money...either they'd lead the criminal up a flight of stairs over a vast pit and just push them in to fall to their death...or let other criminals/animals get a go at them in the arena...doesn't cost anything, scares the crap out of someone with the possibility of a tiger ripping you to shreads, and you can make reasonable sales with hotdogs, popcorn, soda, and hats...

Okay, now with being serious. Yes, it is horrible and I don't see a person could kill another person like that--especially a mother killing her own child. It's also sick that lawyers would try to defend them for the almighty dollar. But it's as they say; justice is blind.

[MrMacMan]

Originally posted by mactastic
The most likely place outside of Saudi Arabia that you will be put to death. Of course we found out she was a whack job with a controlling freak of a husband.

If anything happens you did illegal in Saudi Arabia most likely you could be put to death, that is their ... almost standard sentence.

MacAztec -- The cost of the death penalty is sometimes equal for food that is costing people when they are in jail.

Because sometimes the prison is paid for if the prisoners work, the company makes a profit, the jail makes one and the prisoner gets some money.

But when they are dead, you can't do that can you?



Damn how become everyone thinks eye for an eye works?

[MacViolinist]

Originally posted by mactastic
Deserve death is different from being executed by the state. Nothing warrants the death penalty. It is a primitive form of punishment that does not deter criminals. It is applied unfairly, it costs more than a lifetime in a cell, and you can make mistakes. I have no problem with never letting this woman see the light of day again, but killing her will not make the next person stop before they kill their kids to think "You know, I might get executed if I do this, instead of just life in prison." It won't bring the kids back that she killed. It won't help her family recover from this. The only thing it does is sate our appetite for vengence.

Exactly. The point here is not whether she deserves to die, but whether or not the state can be trusted with the power to murder. Is it more important for us to feel good that one person has been given "justice" or is it more important to check the power of the State? Another way of looking at it is to ask if it's ok that a certain number of innocent people are murdered by the State just to insure that "justice" is meeted out to those whom we believe deserve it. Would any of you really say that it is worth the cost of one mistaken execution? Focus on the issue, people. Is the point of the criminal justice system to remove from society those who are a danger to it, or is the point to give the public a case of the warm fuzzies? I say lock up murderers and throw away the keys. And that includes certain politicians. Don't give them cable. Don't give them Nike's. Don't give them ****. Do like they do in Viet Nam. Put them out on a piece of fenced in land and leave them there. See who survives.

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by mactastic
Deserve death is different from being executed by the state. Nothing warrants the death penalty. It is a primitive form of punishment that does not deter criminals. It is applied unfairly, it costs more than a lifetime in a cell, and you can make mistakes. I have no problem with never letting this woman see the light of day again, but killing her will not make the next person stop before they kill their kids to think "You know, I might get executed if I do this, instead of just life in prison." It won't bring the kids back that she killed. It won't help her family recover from this. The only thing it does is sate our appetite for vengence.

I have to disagree here. My brother tied up a man, injected him with Battery acid, and then strangled him to death. Yep. That deserves the death penalty.

At least I apply it fairly, don't you think. I don't believe they should have 10 - 20 years of appeals. That is why it costs more. Do like Ron White said. If more than 3 people see the murder in Texas, you go straight to the front of death row. Most states are trying to abolish the death penalty, "Mine is puttin in an express lane!"

[Ryan1524]

some people are alive simply because it's illegal to kill them. what's happening to this world. :mad:

[Sun Baked]

:confused:

Mom Sentenced for Putting Infant in Oven

WETUMPKA, Ala. (AP) - A woman who put her infant daughter in a hot oven set on broil pleaded guilty to attempted murder and was sentenced to 25 years in prison.

The child survived after her father heard her screams and rushed into the kitchen, but she suffered third-degree burns over 70 percent of her body and still faces years of reconstructive surgery, said District Attorney Randall Houston.

Her mother, Melissa Wright, at first told investigators the 18-month-old girl fell from her arms as she was cooking, and that the child hit the oven door, rolled in and the oven door closed behind her.

Prosecutors had planned to argue at trial that Wright acted intentionally because she was jealous of the attention the child's father was paying to the infant. She didn't suffer from any mental illness, Houston said, "She is just mean."

Wright, 27, of Coosada, pleaded guilty Thursday in Elmore County Circuit Court. Her daughter remains in the care of relatives.I'm glad they're starting to nix the insanity deal a lot more, way too many people using it to try to get out of the broil setting in the electric chair.

[Wes]

Originally posted by MrMacman
If anything happens you did illegal in Saudi Arabia most likely you could be put to death, that is their ... almost standard sentence.


After living there for 15 years, that's wrong.

Theft: A free hand amputation
Drug Trafficking: Death
Murder: Death without question.

We need less 'insane' people in 'rehabilitation' and more people 6 feet under. I think fixing up a person this insane can only go so far.

[mactastic]

Well so far we haven't found a recent case of the state executing someone who was demonstrably innocent, but when we do what will all you pro-death people say then?

There's a town in the Sierra foothills here called Hangtown. Sprang up during the gold rush. It got the name from a botched execution. There's a headstone there that reads "Hanged by mistake / The joke's on us." Nice.

How do you think the women of Salem felt as they were piling wood around the feet of the accused?

BTTM, I know you say you would apply it fairly, but would you be willing to have the state fund a shining star legal team for each and every defendant brought up on capitol charges? I would like to point to the Laci Peterson mess here as an example of this. When Scott Peterson was arrested, it was a slam dunk case. The prosecutor was even claiming it in public. The only attorney Scott Peterson had was a court-appointed one because he didn't have the money for an OJ or Kobe level defense. It was assumed by everyoen involved that he would be found guilty and sentenced to death. But wait! A high powered lawyer realized that he could get his name everywhere in the media if he donated his time to the case. Almost immediatly Peterson stopped appearing in court in his jail jumpsuit and was presented to the court in a suit because it was "predjudicial" to see him in a jump suit. He also has access to some of the forensics guys that worked on the OJ team. Very few people expect him to be put to death now, and some even think he'll be found innocent. Personally, here's another example of someone who should go into a deep dark hole never to return, but I gotta say, the only reason he's not gonna go to the execution table is because of his lawyer. We just can't afford the type of safeguards it takes to keep the innocent out of the death chamber. Put the money somewhere more useful.

There's my $.02

[wdlove]

She definitely will not get the death penalty in Germany. My hope is that she will get a full psychological workup. She needs treatment, along with spending the rest of her life in an institution.

[MrMacMan]

Originally posted by Wes
After living there for 15 years, that's wrong.

Theft: A free hand amputation
Drug Trafficking: Death
Murder: Death without question.



You almost proved my point, for drug trafficking you would be out to death.

In the U.S I believe it is just a very harsh sentence.

2/3 -- Your example for death.

[Wes]

Originally posted by MrMacman
You almost proved my point, for drug trafficking you would be out to death.

In the U.S I believe it is just a very harsh sentence.

2/3 -- Your example for death.

Those are for 'serious' crimes. And If you are Saudi, and know the right people, it's not much of a problem.

[tazo]

Originally posted by Wes
After living there for 15 years, that's wrong.

Theft: A free hand amputation
Drug Trafficking: Death
Murder: Death without question.

We need less 'insane' people in 'rehabilitation' and more people 6 feet under. I think fixing up a person this insane can only go so far.

Is crime down in Saudi Arabia?

[Wes]

Originally posted by tazo
Is crime down in Saudi Arabia?

VERY low, theft was very rare. Murder, well I heard of one while I lived there in a city of 25,000 people, family fued.

[Capt Underpants]

Originally posted by Backtothemac
What would someone have to do to deserve death?

What she did deserves the death penalty. She cut off her baby's head with a butter knife. What the mother in Texas did deserved the death penalty. Even if they are completely mental and have had a tough life, etc. They atleast deserve life w/o parole.

[wdlove]

We just had some prison justice occur here in Massachusetts. It is the second time that it has occurred in the last 10 years. This time it was Father Geoghan, a Catholic Priest that molested more than 100 teenagers from the 1960's to 1995. The prisoner involved is in solitary confinement untill an investigation is concluded.

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/2429077/detail.html?treets=bos&tml=bos_break&ts=T&tmi=bos_break_7165_03520108232003

[MacAztec]

Originally posted by MrMacman
If anything happens you did illegal in Saudi Arabia most likely you could be put to death, that is their ... almost standard sentence.

MacAztec -- The cost of the death penalty is sometimes equal for food that is costing people when they are in jail.

Because sometimes the prison is paid for if the prisoners work, the company makes a profit, the jail makes one and the prisoner gets some money.

But when they are dead, you can't do that can you?



Damn how become everyone thinks eye for an eye works?

Your question negates itself. If we shot the people immediately, we would not need a prison, would we?

Only for people that did not get the death penalty we would need prisons.

I believe if you are sentenced to death, you die. You don't wait 10 years. You just get shot, or something

[MacAztec]

Originally posted by Wes
After living there for 15 years, that's wrong.

Theft: A free hand amputation
Drug Trafficking: Death
Murder: Death without question.

We need less 'insane' people in 'rehabilitation' and more people 6 feet under. I think fixing up a person this insane can only go so far.

I agree totally. People are just saying they are insane for an excuse. Its all bull. Some people ARE insane, but others have no past record of being insane, then...they kill someone, and claim to be insane.

That is bull. If we did (but never will) have something like the Romans had, it would be so damn cool.

[caveman_uk]

Originally posted by Backtothemac
Or just be an evil twisted human. Doesn't matter. She should never walk the streets of Germany again.
Thank you BTTM. I have just read this thread and you have introduced me to a new experience...agreeing with you :eek:

[KiDrOck80]

Did you know, that if you are caught with a pound of cocaine, you get Life?

[Wes]

Originally posted by KiDrOck80
Did you know, that if you are caught with a pound of cocaine, you get Life?

Yeah, but nowadays life isn't life, it's 20 years if you behave well and have a good lawyer.

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by caveman_uk
Thank you BTTM. I have just read this thread and you have introduced me to a new experience...agreeing with you :eek:

HA! Go figure! Well, the end of the world must be upon us ;)