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MacRumors
Sep 22, 2007, 04:50 PM
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The latest Mac OS 10 Leopard seed (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/21/apple-seeds-mac-os-x-10-5-leopard-9a559/) that was released on Friday to developers has introduced a number of notable visual tweaks to the operating system. Notes and screenshots have been gathered from public forums which reveal the improvements found in the latest version of Mac OS X Leopard.


http://images.macrumors.com/article/2007/09/22/ichat_300.png

iCal's icon reflects (http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=64018&view=findpost&p=453359) today's date

- The Welcome Video to Mac OS X 10.5 now has a new audio track and has been posted (http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y4TeKG98kiQ) to YouTube.
- iCal's Dock icon now reflects the current date (image (http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=64018&view=findpost&p=453359))
- New Desktop images (image (http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=64018&view=findpost&p=453411))
- New Spaces Icon (image (http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=64018&view=findpost&p=453377))
- Front Row has its own icon (image (http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/617/8qwhdyr7.png)) and seems identical to Apple TV
- Menus and dialog sheets now overlay with a translucent filter, allowing you to see a hint of the underlying windows.
- Screen sharing "finally works right" and seems very fast at full resolution
- More user interface consistency across the operating system

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/22/latest-leopard-visual-tweaks-and-intro-movie/)



bluebomberman
Sep 22, 2007, 04:53 PM
Having iCal's icon show the current date is alone worth the upgrade! :p

TheSpecialist
Sep 22, 2007, 04:53 PM
More improvements! Bring on Leopard! Yay!:apple:

stoid
Sep 22, 2007, 04:54 PM
One of the desktop pics exceeded bandwidth, anyone got a mirror yet?

The new music doesn't fit with the video as well, I think...

Merlyn3D
Sep 22, 2007, 04:56 PM
That intro vid cannot be real....the older music was soooo much better.

Spanky Deluxe
Sep 22, 2007, 04:57 PM
Oh my, how long have we waited for that iCal icon?!!

Rocketman
Sep 22, 2007, 04:58 PM
What I want to know is if Tiger users get the update to proper date in the iCal icon?

:)

Rocketman

TheSpecialist
Sep 22, 2007, 05:02 PM
Honestly, I don't think so..

What I want to know is if Tiger users get the update to proper date in the iCal icon?

kainjow
Sep 22, 2007, 05:04 PM
The new music doesn't fit with the video as well, I think...

That intro vid cannot be real....the older music was soooo much better.

It's real.

What I want to know is if Tiger users get the update to proper date in the iCal icon?

99% chance it's a feature of the Dock and not a direct feature of iCal, so no.

Eidorian
Sep 22, 2007, 05:05 PM
It looks like the Tiger music in Leopard's Welcome Video was just a place holder. I like the new music. :D

mycintosh
Sep 22, 2007, 05:06 PM
That intro vid cannot be real....the older music was soooo much better.

And for Christs Sake ... i postet the Video on Youtube too, but they didnt find mine :(

http://blog.mycintosh.com
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y4TeKG98kiQ

And as always, the Music runs a bit longer as the Movie

And thats the Titel:
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playlistId=174734238&s=143459&i=174735019

Dagless
Sep 22, 2007, 05:07 PM
Ooh, so we're onto visual changes. Just a nice reminder that launch isn't so far away any more.

kungming2
Sep 22, 2007, 05:07 PM
One of the desktop pics exceeded bandwidth, anyone got a mirror yet?


I second that, apparently it looked pretty good too. :(

VanMac
Sep 22, 2007, 05:07 PM
:)Looking forward to the new OS. :apple::):apple:

I have iCal automatically launch ..... Not that big of a deal....

queshy
Sep 22, 2007, 05:08 PM
I know that music from SOMEWHERE but where???its really bothering me now! It was used in some other ad but I don't remember what...or even if it was apple related.

seanneko
Sep 22, 2007, 05:11 PM
The new intro music is awful - it doesn't even remotely fit in with the video. It's like they just pulled the name of a song out of a hat or something.

bigbadTKO
Sep 22, 2007, 05:12 PM
I know that music from SOMEWHERE but where???its really bothering me now! It was used in some other ad but I don't remember what...or even if it was apple related.

the new imac ad

mike19
Sep 22, 2007, 05:13 PM
the new music the same as the new Imac commercial, the one where all they do is twirl around.

macfan881
Sep 22, 2007, 05:13 PM
any one know if the quick launch to bootcamp is in leopard at all?

numberz
Sep 22, 2007, 05:15 PM
i kno im a newbie here, but on insanelymac im numberz, the one that posted most of the images, and supplied the music for the youtube video(<3 colonel :D) glad u like them!

chrisdazzo
Sep 22, 2007, 05:15 PM
Ok, honestly, who cares about the intro music? You'll only ever hear it once in your life (if you're not a Developer), so what's the big deal?

Otherwise, the new icons look cool, and I have yet to find the new desktop pictures... Anyone? Hopefully ThinkSecret posts a gallery of some sort, even if it's a small one.

lamadude
Sep 22, 2007, 05:18 PM
Well I guess that means no leopard for me, I don't want to lose iCal day!

Diatribe
Sep 22, 2007, 05:18 PM
i kno im a newbie here, but on insanelymac im numberz, the one that posted most of the images, and supplied the music for the youtube video(<3 colonel :D) glad u like them!

Could you be so kind and repost them here, seeing that insanelymac is kinda down? Thank you. :)

Darkroom
Sep 22, 2007, 05:20 PM
oh i'm very glad to see the little title balloon above dock apps now... it has always been a little unpolished, as text characters that hung low like "g" and "p" and "q" would always be slightly cut off at the bottom... this is nice...

miketcool
Sep 22, 2007, 05:20 PM
I like the spaces icon, the notes windows and the text window in the icon all have legal information regarding leaking info before the release...

DavisCollins
Sep 22, 2007, 05:20 PM
There is also a new icon for the Desktop in Finder. It has the updated default desktop picture.

New Desktop Icon (http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/3954/6lt2exl6xm4.png)

manu chao
Sep 22, 2007, 05:21 PM
Oh my, how long have we waited for that iCal icon?!!

What is wrong with keeping iCal running all the time (it then shows the current date in its Dock icon already under Tiger). This adds a memory footprint of 15 MB, the same as two stickies in Dashboard but that's it.

nato64
Sep 22, 2007, 05:22 PM
i kno im a newbie here, but on insanelymac im numberz, the one that posted most of the images, and supplied the music for the youtube video(<3 colonel :D) glad u like them!

thanks dude :) I know you from insanelymac (i'm nato64 there too), you're all over the place!

briansolomon
Sep 22, 2007, 05:22 PM
its about time for the icon to show the right date...why this hasn't been a feature for years i wonder...

nato64
Sep 22, 2007, 05:22 PM
What is wrong with keeping iCal running all the time (it then shows the current date in its Dock icon already under Tiger). This adds a memory footprint of 15 MB, the same as two stickies in Dashboard but that's it.

because if my iPhone can display the calendar icon with the correct date, then my Mac should too!

mycintosh
Sep 22, 2007, 05:27 PM
Here ...

http://gallery.mac.com/michael.fonfara#100174

kungming2
Sep 22, 2007, 05:28 PM
What is wrong with keeping iCal running all the time (it then shows the current date in its Dock icon already under Tiger). This adds a memory footprint of 15 MB, the same as two stickies in Dashboard but that's it.

It's esp. irksome when the actual date is something close to the 17th of a month, but you're not sure and get the wrong date by looking at the icon.

shawnce
Sep 22, 2007, 05:29 PM
its about time for the icon to show the right date...why this hasn't been a feature for years i wonder...

...'cause it isn't that important of a feature and requires the Dock to support loadable plugins.

tribulation
Sep 22, 2007, 05:29 PM
Ok totally off topic here but I was hoping that someone could give a quick reply. I'm getting a new cell and was looking at the Samsung SCH-A990 mainly because of the 3.2 MP camera on it and a hefty Verizon discount.

This is my first Bluetooth phone and was wondering.....hoping before ordering to know if it or other phones that aren't listed on Apple's iSync device compatibility page [http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/isync/devices.html]
are actually compatible. Mostly I would love to sync my contacts and calendar with the Mac address book & iCal via bluetooth. Off topic, but I this board is the best place for real Mac users that know strange stuff like this ;)

kungming2
Sep 22, 2007, 05:32 PM
Ok totally off topic here but I was hoping that someone could give a quick reply. I'm getting a new cell and was looking at the Samsung SCH-A990 mainly because of the 3.2 MP camera on it and a hefty Verizon discount.

This is my first Bluetooth phone and was wondering.....hoping before ordering to know if it or other phones that aren't listed on Apple's iSync device compatibility page [http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/isync/devices.html]
are actually compatible. Mostly I would love to sync my contacts and calendar with the Mac address book & iCal via bluetooth. Off topic, but I this board is the best place for real Mac users that know strange stuff like this ;)

Most Verizon phones can't sync to a Mac at all.

MartyMoe
Sep 22, 2007, 05:32 PM
Having iCal's icon show the current date is alone worth the upgrade! :p

I wanted to second this, but I wasn't fast enough. I would like to third or fourth it, then!

Having the correct date appear at-a-glance seems so natural-- the same way you don't have to double-click the clock to find the time. It is a normal piece of info that you use, well, every day...

dreamsINdigital
Sep 22, 2007, 05:38 PM
Anyone have a mirror of the images?

tribulation
Sep 22, 2007, 05:40 PM
Most Verizon phones can't sync to a Mac at all.

Arg. How annoying. OK thanks for letting me know. Guess I'm stuck anyway I go then since I'm on a contract for a while.

Thanks for the help.

aptenergy
Sep 22, 2007, 05:44 PM
Arg. How annoying. OK thanks for letting me know. Guess I'm stuck anyway I go then since I'm on a contract for a while.

Thanks for the help.

I have a VX8300 with Verizon, and I use BitPim to access my phone from my MacBook. It's a bit hacky - it doesn't work with iSync, and the interface is not Mac-like at all, and it's slow - but it works, and I can download camera images, transmit ringtones, etc. etc. without fuss.

jmsait19
Sep 22, 2007, 05:45 PM
oh i'm very glad to see the little title balloon above dock apps now... it has always been a little unpolished, as text characters that hung low like "g" and "p" and "q" would always be slightly cut off at the bottom... this is nice...

Wow... I never noticed that...

I wanna give a shout out to the iCal Current Date feature... That's been a long time coming.

numberz
Sep 22, 2007, 05:48 PM
ok here r some that i had
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/4294/8qwhduz1.png

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/4456/emuixmo9.png

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/9359/earthhorizonxw8.jpg

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1650/earthpp6.jpg
sry, insanelymac works differently, it resizes the images, should i just upload them to this forum, i feel like a n00b now >:|

MrCrowbar
Sep 22, 2007, 05:48 PM
Is front row actually working now? The one in Tiger is not usable at all, it's damn slow most of the time, freezes for minutes, crashes a lot etc...

Is the Leapard Front Row stable? Does it look like Apple TV? Does Perian 1.0 work with it?

nagromme
Sep 22, 2007, 05:49 PM
I always thought that Exposé deserved its own (optional) Dock icon.

Out of all these...

Time Machine
Spaces
Front Row
Dashboard
Exposé
System Preferences

...I think Exposé Show All is the most frequently useful to all manner of users--and the most likely to be UNDER-used by Mac newcomers. Put it in the dock! :) (Click for Show All Windows, with the other options being in its popup menu.)

The others (except for Dashboard) I could actually do without in my Dock. They have hot keys or are in the Apple Menu, and are either rarely used or used by experts more.

numberz
Sep 22, 2007, 05:51 PM
I always thought that Exposé deserved its own (optional) Dock icon.

Out of all these...

Time Machine
Spaces
Front Row
Dashboard
Exposé
System Preferences

...I think Exposé Show All is the most frequently useful to all manner of users--and the most likely to be UNDER-used by Mac newcomers. Put it in the dock! :) (Click for Show All Windows, with the other options being in its popup menu.)

The others (except for Dashboard) I could actually do without in my Dock. They have hot keys or are in the Apple Menu, and are either rarely used or used by experts more.
it does have an icon, but its the same as build 241

AppleWoW
Sep 22, 2007, 05:54 PM
Wow! :apple: is coming a long way and I cant wait for leopard to make its way onto shelves!

kainjow
Sep 22, 2007, 05:56 PM
any one know if the quick launch to bootcamp is in leopard at all?

No.

nagromme
Sep 22, 2007, 05:56 PM
it does have an icon, but its the same as build 241

Really? Exposé, not Spaces? That's great!

EDIT - Here we go:
http://www.thinksecret.com/archives/leopard9a499-2/source/picture-22.html

Next you'll be telling me Apple has bundled some kind of backup software....

MovieCutter
Sep 22, 2007, 05:57 PM
This feels and moves and looks like a final product. Doesn't seem very buggy, VERY fast on a MacBook with all the animation elements, this could be the GM.

Darkroom
Sep 22, 2007, 05:59 PM
for sure this makes me sound like a total attention-to-detail queen from hell, BUT i would fire the guy who made the reflective Trash icon... it wouldn't reflect like that... you're FIRED beeeotch! :p

DavisCollins
Sep 22, 2007, 06:01 PM
for sure this makes me sound like a total attention-to-detail queen from hell, BUT i would fire the guy who made the reflective Trash icon... it wouldn't reflect like that... you're FIRED beeeotch! :p

That is an automated effect. All it does is flip the icon, drop the opacity, and give it a fade.

Benjamindaines
Sep 22, 2007, 06:03 PM
Is there a shot of these new menus anywhere?

Darkroom
Sep 22, 2007, 06:05 PM
That is an automated effect. All it does is flip the icon, drop the opacity, and give it a fade.

it's wrong... and now when i get Tiger it's going to drive me CRAZY everytime i look at it... but obsessions aside, i'm sure they can automate it to make it look correct...

Hattig
Sep 22, 2007, 06:06 PM
Has anyone noticed that when you run iCal on Tiger, when you minimise the window, the iCal 'tag' on the window shows the date when you started iCal, rather than the current date?

My iCal is showing 22nd September on the Dock icon, but the tag on the minimised window is 20th September...

However it is good that the dock icon is finally getting the correct date. I assume that instead of using a static image, there is a small 'dock icon application' that generates the correct date and passes the image to the Dock to show, even when the main application itself is not running.

Edit. Now it's fixed itself. Weird...

Kendall015
Sep 22, 2007, 06:07 PM
- iCal's Dock icon now reflects the current date


OMG!!!!!! Why has it taken so many years for this?

-Will

thefunkymunky
Sep 22, 2007, 06:10 PM
http://images.macrumors.com/article/2007/09/22/ichat_300.png

Whats up with the Dock icon shadows. They look just plain wrong.:confused:

MrCrowbar
Sep 22, 2007, 06:10 PM
it's wrong... and now when i get Tiger it's going to drive me CRAZY everytime i look at it... but obsessions aside, i'm sure they can automate it to make it look correct...

For it to be correct, it would have to be aware of the placement and geometry of the trash can in 3 dimensions. Icons are still 2D, either 512x512 pixels with colors and a transparency channel or vector based. There would be a way to make the trash look more realistic in the way it reflects, but it would look weird and wrong on other icons.

Just thing of icons as floating pictures. They really are floating, most don't physically touch the dock bar anyway. the iChat icon would fall to the right because it's weight center is to the right of the spike. But the icons are all flat so they would have to fall backward so they lay flat on the dock bar. This might look interesting, but would make it hard to use...

So... yea :D

rabatjoie
Sep 22, 2007, 06:10 PM
What I want to know is if Tiger users get the update to proper date in the iCal icon?


no way. this will be one of the main reasons for upgrading. :D

Muzzway
Sep 22, 2007, 06:12 PM
New soundtrack on intro = not as good as the original.

jbstingray
Sep 22, 2007, 06:15 PM
If you look, though, the soundtrack is really well synchronized with the "X" and the Apple that zooms in as well as the leaving of the "X." I think a lot of people don't like it because it is now associated with the iMac and just seems overused. I personally like it.

-jb

bdkennedy1
Sep 22, 2007, 06:16 PM
Thank GOD they changed the dock. The reflective "floor" doesn't jut out as much as the previous ones. I couldn't stand the old one and I love the new one.

jackc
Sep 22, 2007, 06:18 PM
iCal date! No wonder the coding has taken so long..

manu chao
Sep 22, 2007, 06:20 PM
I wanted to second this, but I wasn't fast enough. I would like to third or fourth it, then!

Having the correct date appear at-a-glance seems so natural-- the same way you don't have to double-click the clock to find the time. It is a normal piece of info that you use, well, every day...

Ideally, one should be able to add the date to the menu bar clock. Second best solution is to always start iCal directly after logging in / restarting. I anyway start about 15 apps after each restart (Mail, Camino, Acrobat, TeXShop, iTunes, xCode, System Preferences, TextEdit, Address Book, Terminal, Activity Monitor, iCal, DropDrawers, TextWrangler, svnX).

jbstingray
Sep 22, 2007, 06:21 PM
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y4TeKG98kiQ

Watch the end of mycintosh's version and you will see what I mean - I think something is out of synch with the one in the post. It is a lot better in this one.

-jb

Darkroom
Sep 22, 2007, 06:21 PM
For it to be correct, it would have to be aware of the placement and geometry of the trash can in 3 dimensions. Icons are still 2D, either 512x512 pixels with colors and a transparency channel or vector based. There would be a way to make the trash look more realistic in the way it reflects, but it would look weird and wrong on other icons.

Just thing of icons as floating pictures. They really are floating, most don't physically touch the dock bar anyway. the iChat icon would fall to the right because it's weight center is to the right of the spike. But the icons are all flat so they would have to fall backward so they lay flat on the dock bar. This might look interesting, but would make it hard to use...

So... yea :D

assuming the Trash is going to be locked in the dock in Tiger as it has always been, apple's highly paid designers could allow this icon to have it's own special (correct) reflection...

developers should probably note not to make 3D icons for their apps, you know, only if they're OCD like myself and want the reflections to look correct :p...

but it would be super great if the new Developer Tool's Icon Composer app allowed for customized reflections...

joemama
Sep 22, 2007, 06:22 PM
Having iCal's icon show the current date is alone worth the upgrade! :p

Seriously, I know. I always wondered why it wouldn't show the current day. It would take someone what, 5 minutes to write a script to fix it?

manu chao
Sep 22, 2007, 06:23 PM
My iCal is showing 22nd September on the Dock icon, but the tag on the minimised window is 20th September...


What is the benefit of minimising iCal instead of hiding it? Any app that only has one window open gains nothing from being minimized.

neven
Sep 22, 2007, 06:24 PM
Seriously, I know. I always wondered why it wouldn't show the current day. It would take someone what, 5 minutes to write a script to fix it?

As the Tiger dock was written, only running apps could update their own icons. So yes, it wasn't an impossible feature to implement, but it did call for a rebuild of the Dock.

EricNau
Sep 22, 2007, 06:25 PM
I don't like the new music either.

They need a good sci-fi tune to match the video.

thefunkymunky
Sep 22, 2007, 06:26 PM
For it to be correct, it would have to be aware of the placement and geometry of the trash can in 3 dimensions. Icons are still 2D, either 512x512 pixels with colors and a transparency channel or vector based. There would be a way to make the trash look more realistic in the way it reflects, but it would look weird and wrong on other icons.

Just thing of icons as floating pictures. They really are floating, most don't physically touch the dock bar anyway. the iChat icon would fall to the right because it's weight center is to the right of the spike. But the icons are all flat so they would have to fall backward so they lay flat on the dock bar. This might look interesting, but would make it hard to use...

So... yea :D

Given Apples track record of superior attention to detail maybe they shouldn't have created a reflective Dock if it cannot realistically reflect the icons.:p

Mac OS X Ocelot
Sep 22, 2007, 06:29 PM
I love the music and it's the only commercial I look forward to. I think it fits perfectly with the intro.

arn
Sep 22, 2007, 06:29 PM
Here's a different upload of the video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y4TeKG98kiQ

which is synced better for some reason. it ends properly and not abruptly like the original video I posted.

arn

yoyo5280
Sep 22, 2007, 06:29 PM
More screenshots please!!! Thankyou :p

AppleWoW
Sep 22, 2007, 06:31 PM
Here's a different upload of the video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y4TeKG98kiQ

which is synced better for some reason. it ends properly and not abruptly like the original video I posted.

arn

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y4TeKG98kiQ

Watch the end of mycintosh's version and you will see what I mean - I think something is out of synch with the one in the post. It is a lot better in this one.

-jb

someone beat you to it :p but none the less it looks great when synced!

jbstingray
Sep 22, 2007, 06:32 PM
someone beat you to it :p but none the less it looks great when synced!

Haha, I'm the one who told him :P

-jb

AppleWoW
Sep 22, 2007, 06:34 PM
Well then props to you! Anyone seen some nice OpenGL enhancements in leopard for things such as WoW and rendering in Final Cut Pro and other things? Plus how are the drivers for Bootcamp 2.0? Is 2.0 ready to be the final version or are there still some crappy video drivers we're gonna have to deal with for a while?

Benjamindaines
Sep 22, 2007, 06:36 PM
OMG!!!!!! Why has it taken so many years for this?

-Will

I can almost promise you that there is a process running in the background to make that happen, that's the only way I can think they would have done it. Unless the clock process (that's running already) pushes it to it. If it's the first one you're wasting some resources in making a dock have the date...

simX
Sep 22, 2007, 06:37 PM
Ideally, one should be able to add the date to the menu bar clock.

You can (http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20050508000838365), even with a standard Mac OS X installation. I've been doing this for years.

shawnce
Sep 22, 2007, 06:38 PM
I can almost promise you that there is a process running in the background to make that happen, that's the only way I can think they would have done it.

No extra process is needed to do this other then the Dock itself.

twoodcc
Sep 22, 2007, 06:38 PM
More improvements! Bring on Leopard! Yay!:apple:

yep. hopefully the day is coming soon

robPOD
Sep 22, 2007, 06:41 PM
Come on leopard go golden master already.

thefunkymunky
Sep 22, 2007, 06:41 PM
How is Boot Camp in Leopard? Is it still a separate app? How is it integrated. Didn't SJ state that it would be fully integrated, no need to burn driver disks for Windows etc. How does BC work now? Questions. Questions :p

Dany M
Sep 22, 2007, 06:42 PM
Yay, I can not wait for leapard to come! JW, this would be my firt time with a mac upgrading the OS, is it safe to wait a month or 2 for them to fix problems ro wat...?

AppleWoW
Sep 22, 2007, 06:42 PM
How is Boot Camp in Leopard? Is it still a separate app? How is it integrated. Didn't SJ state that it would be fully integrated, no need to burn driver disks for Windows etc. How does BC work now? Questions. Questions :p

Same questions here! How is BOOTCAMP!?!?!

elppa
Sep 22, 2007, 06:44 PM
I find it amusing how so many people seem to think Leopard is just about pretty icons and intro music.

Really that sort of stuff is just a small part of what the OS update is about.

It's about giving developers the best possible tools and technologies to create wonderful software for the Mac.

No doubt the iCal thing was implemented shortly after this (http://www.joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/985.html) was read, as others has pointed out.

The interesting thing is that it should allow for other apps to update when they are not open too. There must be other cases where this could be useful, although I can't think of any now?

kap91
Sep 22, 2007, 06:45 PM
This is sort of off topic, sorry but I want to make a correction.

To whoever said that you can't put the date in the menubar, you can here's how:

Go into the international preferences pane in System Preferences and click on the formats tab

Click Customize under the dates section. In the drop down box select medium. In the field under the drop down box highlight the Month and date boxes as if you were highlighting text. Right Click and select copy. Click the cancel button.

Now back in the formats tab click customize under the Times section. Select Medium. Click in the field where you want the date to go, right click and select paste. Now add any formating you're going to want such as commas and spaces. You will most likely want to put a comma and space in as the first characters in the field as the date and time will display in the menubar after the day of the week. The field when you are done should look something like this: ", Jan 5, 7: 08: 09 PM". When you are done click OK.

Its as easy as that. The only problem with this method is that I do not know if it will work in Leopard, but as far as Tiger is concerned-it is a grand work-around.

EDIT: Nevermind, simX beat me to it

psychofreak
Sep 22, 2007, 06:47 PM
The interesting thing is that it should allow for other apps to update when they are not open too. There must be other cases where this could be useful, although I can't think of any now?

Maybe Candybar will not have to relaunch the dock for changes to take place, or some apps like Adium with built-in icon changing...

Masquerade
Sep 22, 2007, 06:47 PM
No doubt the iCal thing was implemented shortly after this (http://www.joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/985.html) was read, as others has pointed out.



ahah!! ^6^

Padriac
Sep 22, 2007, 06:48 PM
it's wrong... and now when i get Tiger it's going to drive me CRAZY everytime i look at it... but obsessions aside, i'm sure they can automate it to make it look correct...

What's wrong with it? If you had a 2D picture of a trash can (which is what the icon is) that's exactly what it's reflection would look like.

Wayfarer
Sep 22, 2007, 06:49 PM
Yay, I can not wait for leapard to come! JW, this would be my firt time with a mac upgrading the OS, is it safe to wait a month or 2 for them to fix problems ro wat...?

It really depends on how anxious you are. Some people like to wait, others like me don't. Personally, I always upgrade immediately to the latest and greatest. Did it with Panther and Tiger... and had no issues at all. The anticipation for Leopard is killing me. :p

queshy
Sep 22, 2007, 06:51 PM
the new imac ad

Ah, yes, that's it! Thanks.

Taylor C
Sep 22, 2007, 06:52 PM
thanks dude :) I know you from insanelymac (i'm nato64 there too), you're all over the place!

Hey guys. Nice to see some fellow InsanelyMac users on MacRumors. ;p

thefunkymunky
Sep 22, 2007, 06:54 PM
What's wrong with it? If you had a 2D picture of a trash can (which is what the icon is) that's exactly what it's reflection would look like.

The trash icon looks like a 3D representation albeit in 2D, its got perspective. Most other app icons look flat in the Dock, thats why the shadow of the trash icon looks all wrong. The shadows behind the dock icons look worse though.:rolleyes:

Wayfarer
Sep 22, 2007, 06:57 PM
Hey guys. Nice to see some fellow InsanelyMac users on MacRumors. ;p

Ditto, Taylor C. ;)

We are making the rounds, taking over the world by storm! :cool:

SeaFox
Sep 22, 2007, 06:57 PM
Having iCal's icon show the current date is alone worth the upgrade! :p
You think $129 is a decent price for a calendar?

QuarterSwede
Sep 22, 2007, 06:59 PM
The trash icon looks like a 3D representation albeit in 2D, its got perspective. Most other app icons look flat in the Dock, thats why the shadow of the trash icon looks all wrong. The shadows behind the dock icons look worse though.:rolleyes:
I have to admit I noticed the trash icon looked off from the rest. Definitely a different perspective.

aswitcher
Sep 22, 2007, 07:02 PM
So looking good for release this year.

I think its pretty clear that the new MacBooks (Pro) are awaiting leopard because they have hardware that needs it (touchpad).

thefunkymunky
Sep 22, 2007, 07:02 PM
You think $129 is a decent price for a calendar?

We don't know if its gonna be $129 yet.:p

MrCrowbar
Sep 22, 2007, 07:05 PM
What is the benefit of minimising iCal instead of hiding it? Any app that only has one window open gains nothing from being minimized.

Well, you get a mini preview of the actual window. A minimized iCal window with green stuff in it tells you you have an office appointment for example. And especially now that icons are 512x512, the mini previews are actually useful :D

chubad
Sep 22, 2007, 07:09 PM
Actual Mac discussion on a Mac site. All is right with the world....:D

I'm upgrading JUST for the iCal icon.;)

rogersmj
Sep 22, 2007, 07:09 PM
- Menus and dialog sheets now overlay with a translucent filter, allowing you to see a hint of the underlying windows.

Huh? This is already present in Tiger.

huntercr
Sep 22, 2007, 07:10 PM
Having iCal's icon show the current date is alone worth the upgrade! :p

I'm confused... ical's icon already shows the current date and has since I can remember ( like the 10.2 days maybe? )

Is this something stopped working with Leopard or something and it's finally working again?

thefunkymunky
Sep 22, 2007, 07:10 PM
Why Why Why do we still have Aqua scrollbars in Leopard. Does anyone else think Apple are not going to change these now. They look so out of place considering all the other UI changes and the look of the new iLife apps.

thefunkymunky
Sep 22, 2007, 07:11 PM
I'm confused... ical's icon already shows the current date and has since I can remember ( like the 10.2 days maybe? )

Is this something stopped working with Leopard or something and it's finally working again?

iCal currently only shows the current date when its running. In Leopard it will show the current date even when inactive.

QuarterSwede
Sep 22, 2007, 07:12 PM
I'm confused... ical's icon already shows the current date and has since I can remember ( like the 10.2 days maybe? )

Is this something stopped working with Leopard or something and it's finally working again?
It now shows the current date when iCal is closed.

Doh! thefunkymunky!!!

Wayfarer
Sep 22, 2007, 07:12 PM
You think $129 is a decent price for a calendar?

Of course it is, silly! (http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/images/ballmer_tongue.jpg) :p

I have to admit I noticed the trash icon looked off from the rest. Definitely a different perspective.

I know, cool isn't it? Sorry if it's too artsy for ya, but I personally love Picasso. :cool:

I find it amusing how so many people seem to think Leopard is just about pretty icons and intro music.

Really that sort of stuff is just a small part of what the OS update is about.

It's about giving developers the best possible tools and technologies to create wonderful software for the Mac.


Amen. Could've have stated it better myself! I was waiting for someone to chime in and reiterate the big picture here. Whee!

We don't know if its gonna be $129 yet.:p

The prices have been announced by Steve Jobs himself at this past WWDC:

Mac OS X Leopard...

Basic Version: $129
Premium Version: $129
Business Version: $129
Enterprise Version: $129
Ultimate Version: $129

For real. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RsOIdF_DdY) ;)

metallicaisgood
Sep 22, 2007, 07:12 PM
Why Why Why do we still have Aqua scrollbars in Leopard. Does anyone else think Apple are not going to change these now. They look so out of place considering all the other UI changes and the look of the new iLife apps.

I agree so so much! I've been wondering when they're going to change the scrollbars. Every new beta release comes around and they're still aqua!

thefunkymunky
Sep 22, 2007, 07:14 PM
The prices have been announced by Steve Jobs himself at this past WWDC:

Mac OS X Leopard...

Basic Version: $129
Premium Version: $129
Business Version: $129
Enterprise Version: $129
Ultimate Version: $129

For real. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RsOIdF_DdY) ;)

Oh right. I must have missed that in the Keynote. :D

jbstingray
Sep 22, 2007, 07:15 PM
They probably don't really need to put the scrollbars in until Gold Master - realistically it has already been done in OS X with iTunes and other iLife apps - a quick tweak and it is done.

-jb

AppleWoW
Sep 22, 2007, 07:16 PM
For heavens sake its a freaken scroll bar! Im sorry if you dont like it but its just a little bar which you scroll through items with! Whats the big deal!

thefunkymunky
Sep 22, 2007, 07:17 PM
One more question about the iCal icon. We now know that the icon dynamically updates while in the Dock? Does it also update its icon in the Applications folder?

fprefect
Sep 22, 2007, 07:18 PM
New soundtrack on intro = not as good as the original.

First of all, I don't think the new intro soundtrack is bad. It's kind of catchy :)

Second... What do you consider the original? Cause you know Apple's changed the soundtrack a few times now. The first one was, if my memory serves me right, Krüder & Dorfmeister's mix of Sofa Rockers, originally by Sofa Surfers. Then they changed it to Eple by Röyksopp, which is kind of my favourite since Röyksopp is norwegian (as am I) and the name Eple means "Apple" :)

Those are the two first soundtracks I think, and then they started using songs I hadn't heard before so I don't remember them as well, but I've never been disappointed by their choices in songs.

(Another thing which is kind of fun for me, is the new intro movie uses the norwegian [and danish] word for "welcome" [velkommen] as the second word, right after the english "welcome".)

puckhead193
Sep 22, 2007, 07:18 PM
me want.. me want... :D
Why do i have a feeling this is going to get pushed back another month :mad:

thefunkymunky
Sep 22, 2007, 07:20 PM
For heavens sake its a freaken scroll bar! Im sorry if you dont like it but its just a little bar which you scroll through items with! Whats the big deal!

As I've mentioned before. Apple has a history of superior attention to detail. They are meant to be creating a unified UI with Leopard but the Aqua scrollbars stick out like a sore thumb now with everything else using the iTunes look. Also, if they can make high res folder icons with life-like looking textures on them, they can update the damn scrollbars.:rolleyes:

AppleWoW
Sep 22, 2007, 07:21 PM
me want.. me want... :D
Why do i have a feeling this is going to get pushed back another month :mad:

It shouldn't or we could say that apple is like vista. Jobs said that leopard would be released in October...HOPEFULLY we can trust him on this...

AppleWoW
Sep 22, 2007, 07:22 PM
As I've mentioned before. Apple has a history of superior attention to detail. They are meant to be creating a unified UI with Leopard but the Aqua scrollbars stick out like a sore thumb now with everything else using the iTunes look. Also, if they can make high res folder icons with life-like looking textures on them, they can update the damn scrollbars.:rolleyes:

Point taken. Wouldn't be worried about it until the final release. And if they don't put them in we can flood Apple with "bug" reports about how our scroll bars aren't updated!

matticus008
Sep 22, 2007, 07:24 PM
Huh? This is already present in Tiger.
Yeah. I'm wondering about that one myself, since Leopard and Tiger were exactly the same in this regard last time I saw a Leopard machine.

DanB91
Sep 22, 2007, 07:24 PM
i cant wait for leopard! everything looks awesome. btw, does anyone know how to get the intro video? is it even possible?

absolutazn87
Sep 22, 2007, 07:27 PM
i absolutely agree about the scrollbars.

apple has already changed most of the OS to conform to the itunes/ilife 08 look and now the old aqua scrollbars look definitely out of place. i personally love the new scrollbars in itunes and i'm patiently waiting for them to be added into leopard. i will be dissapointed if they're not added in and im getting worried that they're not going to be.

Muzzway
Sep 22, 2007, 07:28 PM
First of all, I don't think the new intro soundtrack is bad. It's kind of catchy :)

Second... What do you consider the original? Cause you know Apple's changed the soundtrack a few times now. The first one was, if my memory serves me right, Krüder & Dorfmeister's mix of Sofa Rockers, originally by Sofa Surfers. Then they changed it to Eple by Röyksopp, which is kind of my favourite since Röyksopp is norwegian (as am I) and the name Eple means "Apple" :)

Those are the two first soundtracks I think, and then they started using songs I hadn't heard before so I don't remember them as well, but I've never been disappointed by their choices in songs.

(Another thing which is kind of fun for me, is the new intro movie uses the norwegian [and danish] word for "welcome" [velkommen] as the second word, right after the english "welcome".)

By "original" I mean the song that was used in the Tiger intro movie, and the previous Leopard intro.

I guess it's a matter of personal preference, and to me the new song for the intro is kind of out of place, seeing as it used in the new iMac commercial.

(thanks for mentioning the names of songs used in past intros :))

Edit: Here's (http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewIMix?id=149906006&s=143441) an iTunes iMix with the three previous OS X installation themes.

nagromme
Sep 22, 2007, 07:31 PM
i absolutely agree about the scrollbars.

apple has already changed most of the OS to conform to the itunes/ilife 08 look and now the old aqua scrollbars look definitely out of place. i personally love the new scrollbars in itunes and i'm patiently waiting for them to be added into leopard. i will be dissapointed if they're not added in and im getting worried that they're not going to be.

The white-and-blue aqua stuff has not changed AFAIK--like sheets, menus, and most dialog controls--OK/Cancel, etc. So I don't expect the glass scrollbars to change (and I for one like them being glass).

The glass window dots have remained, so why not glass scrollbars?

kissmyaxe
Sep 22, 2007, 07:33 PM
...aren't the menubar sheets already semi-translucent?

Merlyn3D
Sep 22, 2007, 07:34 PM
You can (http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20050508000838365), even with a standard Mac OS X installation. I've been doing this for years.

There's some great shareware too that adds a bunch of features....it's called MenuCalendarClock.

psychofreak
Sep 22, 2007, 07:36 PM
...aren't the menubar sheets already semi-translucent?

Yes :)

thefunkymunky
Sep 22, 2007, 07:46 PM
New volume bezel.

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/2049/lolyhg1.png

Benjamindaines
Sep 22, 2007, 07:47 PM
New volume bezel.

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/2049/lolyhg1.png

=[ I really don't like this new iPod UI stuff where everything's all smooth plastic. I liked it much better when it was Aqua.

p0intblank
Sep 22, 2007, 07:48 PM
Wow, lots of nice visual changes! :) I'm not a big fan of the new volume change pop-up, but all the others are really nice.

Eidorian
Sep 22, 2007, 07:48 PM
New volume bezel.

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/2049/lolyhg1.pngThat is one ugly new volume bezel.

Wayfarer
Sep 22, 2007, 07:49 PM
New volume bezel.

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/2049/lolyhg1.png

Me likey! I never thought something as subtle as the volume bezel would get an overhaul in Leopard. After all these years, I'd say it's about time! :apple:

If you think it's ugly now, perhaps it'll look more polished in the final release or perhaps on a different background. I'm not complaining thought. I love it. :)

psychofreak
Sep 22, 2007, 07:50 PM
I'd like to see that volume bezel in another context...

fprefect
Sep 22, 2007, 07:57 PM
By "original" I mean the song that was used in the Tiger intro movie, and the previous Leopard intro.

I thought so :) Ironically that's the song I've not been too extatic about, but then I'd never heard it before either.

(thanks for mentioning the names of songs used in past intros :))

Edit: Here's (http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewIMix?id=149906006&s=143441) an iTunes iMix with the three previous OS X installation themes.

No problem! Thanks for the iMix, which gave me a name for the Tiger-song. I actually never thought that was any "real" song when listening to it on the intro for Tiger.

(If you enjoy Sofa Rockers and/or Eple, I'd advice you to check out the respective albums - The K&D Sessions [classic Krüder & Dorfmeister double album] and Melody AM.)

decksnap
Sep 22, 2007, 07:57 PM
That is one ugly new volume bezel.

Gradient? check. Transparency? check. Drop shadow? check. Reflection? check. Glow? check.

Wow that's like a bad joke.

Wayfarer
Sep 22, 2007, 08:02 PM
Gradient? check. Transparency? check. Drop shadow? check. Reflection? check. Glow? check.

Wow that's like a bad joke.

If that's the case, then maybe it's a placeholder for the real thing. Apple is good with attention to detail and this should be a quick fix.

Interesting this is the first time we've heard of or seen this new bezel though.

DanB91
Sep 22, 2007, 08:04 PM
i personally love the new volume bezel

thefunkymunky
Sep 22, 2007, 08:07 PM
i personally love the new volume bezel

All the more reason I think to update the Aqua scroll bars to match eh?:rolleyes:

chrisdazzo
Sep 22, 2007, 08:08 PM
That is one ugly new volume bezel.
Personally, I like it! It's different, but I'm sure Apple will make the GM's UI completely unified by the time Leopard ships. :rolleyes:

decksnap
Sep 22, 2007, 08:08 PM
All the more reason I think to update the Aqua scroll bars to match eh?:rolleyes:

I think that would be the last straw for me. iTunes scrollbars need to die.

grabberslasher
Sep 22, 2007, 08:09 PM
There is no new volume bezel, that's the Front Row volume control.

MacFly123
Sep 22, 2007, 08:13 PM
New soundtrack on intro = not as good as the original.

The first time they posted the video with the new space theme the only thing anybody said was..... waaaa the music is the old one waaaaaaa, they need new music waaaaaa..... it's so outdated waaaa.... its annoying waaaa..... Now they put new music that is cool and pretty hip, and all anybody does is still complain lol. You people are amazing.

Taylor C
Sep 22, 2007, 08:14 PM
I freakin' love the new FrontRow interface, and I like the FR volume bezel as well. Additionally, Ars Technica is reporting that 9A599 may be Golden Master (http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/09/22/rumor-mac-os-x-leopard-gold-master).

Wayfarer
Sep 22, 2007, 08:15 PM
There is no new volume bezel, that's the Front Row volume control.

Huh? :confused:

Do elaborate.

yoyo5280
Sep 22, 2007, 08:19 PM
I think that would be the last straw for me. iTunes scrollbars need to die.
I agree. THey are so freakin annoying.

chrisdazzo
Sep 22, 2007, 08:19 PM
I freakin' love the new FrontRow interface, and I like the FR volume bezel as well. Additionally, Ars Technica is reporting that 9A599 may be Golden Master (http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/09/22/rumor-mac-os-x-leopard-gold-master).

Nuh uh! :D:eek::):apple:

sparkleytone
Sep 22, 2007, 08:19 PM
I freakin' love the new FrontRow interface, and I like the FR volume bezel as well. Additionally, Ars Technica is reporting that 9A599 may be Golden Master (http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/09/22/rumor-mac-os-x-leopard-gold-master).

Not true. They are speculating that it is the first of a few release candidates leading up to GM. They would never EVER declare a build with severe upgrade issues as GM.

thefunkymunky
Sep 22, 2007, 08:21 PM
I have a question. What happened to the resolution independent interface in Leopard? Have we really seen all the "Top Secret" features Leopard has to offer.:(

yoyo5280
Sep 22, 2007, 08:23 PM
i sure hope not

MacFly123
Sep 22, 2007, 08:24 PM
I don't like the new music either.

They need a good sci-fi tune to match the video.

Ya that is JUST what Leopard needs is more of the space theme and nerd-fest they are turning it into. Seriously lose the space theme except for time machine and stop turning it into a freakin' nerd OS. What happened to Apple knowing what's cool??? Let's just make the whole OS Star-Trek themed while we are at it... :mad:

psychofreak
Sep 22, 2007, 08:25 PM
I agree. THey are so freakin annoying.

Just so you know, UNO (http://gui.interacto.net/) changes back the scrollbars...unfortunately it doesn't work yet with iTunes 7.4.2

psychofreak
Sep 22, 2007, 08:25 PM
i sure hope not

I sure think so...

yoyo5280
Sep 22, 2007, 08:27 PM
Ya that is JUST what Leopard needs is more of the space theme and nerd-fest they are turning it into. Seriously lose the space theme except for time machine and stop turning it into a freakin' nerd OS. What happened to Apple knowing what's cool??? Let's just make the whole OS Star-Trek themed while we are at it... :mad:

When you say space themed you think nerd themed. Apple made it cool. IF :apple: DID IT, IT IS COOL!!

I sure think so...

NOOOOOOOOOO

TurboSC
Sep 22, 2007, 08:28 PM
much excitement... this and of course the rumors about the new laptops has really got me giddy.

Wayfarer
Sep 22, 2007, 08:33 PM
Ya that is JUST what Leopard needs is more of the space theme and nerd-fest they are turning it into. Seriously lose the space theme except for time machine and stop turning it into a freakin' nerd OS. What happened to Apple knowing what's cool??? Let's just make the whole OS Star-Trek themed while we are at it... :mad:

I do agree with you to some extent. The new music is much better, IMO. For those who aren't too fond of the "nerdy stigmas", (except for time machine which we both agree on) the default space-themed desktop BG can always be changed to suit your fancy. All in all, it doesn't bother me.

curmi
Sep 22, 2007, 08:37 PM
I do agree with you to some extent. The new music is much better, IMO. For those who aren't too fond of the "nerdy stigmas", (except for time machine which we both agree on) the default space-themed desktop BG can always be changed to suit your fancy. All in all, it doesn't bother me.

Though you can always change the background or settings, you only get one chance to make a first impression. If that first impression is "Sci Fi Nerds OS", that's not going to get OS X acceptance. And look around you - lots of people stick with the default that OS X gives them, especially casual users.

psychofreak
Sep 22, 2007, 08:39 PM
Though you can always change the background or settings, you only get one chance to make a first impression. If that first impression is "Sci Fi Nerds OS", that's not going to get OS X acceptance. And look around you - lots of people stick with the default that OS X gives them, especially casual users.

The main thing is that people use the background image in the store and see it on the website...that can really change a buying decision...

DanB91
Sep 22, 2007, 08:40 PM
whats wrong w/ a space theme? just b/c YOU think its repulsive, others will think its awesome, like me

yoyo5280
Sep 22, 2007, 08:40 PM
But it doesnt look that nerdy! It looks SHINEY!!!!!and pink.....

avigalante
Sep 22, 2007, 08:41 PM
I have a question. What happened to the resolution independent interface in Leopard? Have we really seen all the "Top Secret" features Leopard has to offer.:(

My thoughts exactly- I love how people on this board are getting excited over visual changes... um, what happened to those 200+ top secret features? :confused:

There seems to be no discussion of them whatsoever...

decksnap
Sep 22, 2007, 08:42 PM
It looks SHINEY!!!!!and pink.....

yeah pink. gah.

nagromme
Sep 22, 2007, 08:43 PM
I have a question. What happened to the resolution independent interface in Leopard? Have we really seen all the "Top Secret" features Leopard has to offer.:(

That's a big feature I look forward to as well. I assume that the feature is there, reasonably mature, and ready to be enabled (next year?) when more apps are ready to support it.

It's not a secret--Apple announced this feature (so devs could prepare their apps for it) back with Tiger, and in fact Tiger has res independence (though normally disabled since it's just for testing).

But it's also not ready to tout as a feature, since I'm sure many/most apps can't handle it well yet. In fact, amazingly, I've never heard of one single developer doing anything to support it, despite Apple's warning about it a couple years ago. I'm sure some apps ARE ready for it, but I'm sure many aren't. So it would provide a really poor, inconsistent user experience.

So I think Apple will enable it by software update at some future time. (And the dev tools can probably enable it now--like they can with Tiger: just install the Quartz Debug app.)

My thoughts exactly- I love how people on this board are getting excited over visual changes... um, what happened to those 200+ top secret features? :confused:

There seems to be no discussion of them whatsoever...

Those are months-old news. We're discussing this build's CHANGES--and many of them seem to be visual.

If that first impression is "Sci Fi Nerds OS", that's not going to get OS X acceptance. And look around you - lots of people stick with the default that OS X gives them, especially casual users.

By the time they are seeing the intro movie, and deciding whether or not to learn how to change the desktop picture, Apple has already made the sale :)

yoyo5280
Sep 22, 2007, 08:44 PM
yeah pink. gah.
The Pink will appeal to some people, space to others, shiny to the rest. It works

Taylor C
Sep 22, 2007, 08:46 PM
I'd hardly call the current upgrade issues serious, but thank you for correcting me. Regardless, we're gettin' close guys! :)

Darkroom
Sep 22, 2007, 08:47 PM
i REALLLLY like the new Volume display... much better than the current visuals that somewhat remind me of those windows 95 download blocks.

Wayfarer
Sep 22, 2007, 08:48 PM
But it doesnt look that nerdy! It looks SHINEY!!!!!and pink.....

...and scientifically, ASTRONOMICALLY astounding???

Also, don't forget the concept of pink varies in different cultures... so it can fly with both genders. :D

Darkroom
Sep 22, 2007, 08:51 PM
I think that would be the last straw for me. iTunes scrollbars need to die.

i agree... aqua is outdated, but visually it's much better than the new iTunes scroll bars...

i'm hoping they'll change scroll bars to something tasteful, but i think the iTunes scroll bars are in for 10.5.

nagromme
Sep 22, 2007, 08:53 PM
Just to settle this, it's not pink, it's a range of purple tones :)

And it's not space, it's a night sky. That's the aurora, not a nebula.

chubad
Sep 22, 2007, 08:54 PM
I have a question. What happened to the resolution independent interface in Leopard? Have we really seen all the "Top Secret" features Leopard has to offer.:(

Get over it dude. There are no " Top secret" features.:rolleyes:

avigalante
Sep 22, 2007, 08:56 PM
Those are months-old news. We're discussing this build's CHANGES--and many of them seem to be visual.

...And all those discussions from months ago didn't have any substantial information and even if they did, it sure hasn't materialized into anything big as of yet.

Wouldn't developers shed light about these so-called "top secret" features? Instead of describing to us (in great detail) how the reflective dock is so wonderful. Come on now, let's look beyond the eye-candy...

Wayfarer
Sep 22, 2007, 08:58 PM
i agree... aqua is outdated, but visually it's much better than the new iTunes scroll bars...

i'm hoping they'll change scroll bars to something tasteful, but i think the iTunes scroll bars are in for 10.5.

I'm with you on that. Some want the Aqua bars to go, some want the Aqua bars to stay. But in the end, why can't we get the best of both worlds? Something visually pleasing, yet consistent with the rest of the UI.

numberz
Sep 22, 2007, 09:04 PM
You can find the new desktop pictures here.

The whole earth
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1046/142507...a45363f78_o.jpg

Edge of earth
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1224/142595...a5c80754d_o.jpg

random screenshots
http://gallery.mcdevzone.com/v/leopard/

not mine, but they're on insanelymac, thx

nagromme
Sep 22, 2007, 09:09 PM
Wouldn't developers shed light about these so-called "top secret" features? Instead of describing to us (in great detail) how the reflective dock is so wonderful. Come on now, let's look beyond the eye-candy...

There are no "top secret" features left to learn. We knew about them this summer. Mainly they were the new UI. Example: stacks in the Dock (which is functionality, not just eye candy).

arn
Sep 22, 2007, 09:14 PM
I freakin' love the new FrontRow interface, and I like the FR volume bezel as well. Additionally, Ars Technica is reporting that 9A599 may be Golden Master (http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/09/22/rumor-mac-os-x-leopard-gold-master).

Poorly written title. Ars is just reposting from Appleinsider who said that Golden Master is coming in the future. So basically, they are saying nothing.

arn

motorazr
Sep 22, 2007, 09:18 PM
Like the improvements...but I don't like the new music. It might be hard to replace bytecry for the intro...it was a really fitting song (w/o the lyrics) for X in general.

Keep the updates coming! Yay :apple: !!

compuguy1088
Sep 22, 2007, 09:19 PM
whats wrong w/ a space theme? just b/c YOU think its repulsive, others will think its awesome, like me

Agreed, there is nothing wrong with having more space in your life :D

shawnce
Sep 22, 2007, 09:20 PM
That's a big feature I look forward to as well. I assume that the feature is there, reasonably mature, and ready to be enabled (next year?) when more apps are ready to support it.

The main reason it isn't exposed is that no hardware exists that needs it... YET. Apple has given guidance on this but that is all I can say.

In fact, amazingly, I've never heard of one single developer doing anything to support it, despite Apple's warning about it a couple years ago. I know several developers at several companies that have been preparing for it (I am one of them).

elcerrito494
Sep 22, 2007, 09:21 PM
AHH! Why does everyone use Imageshack?!?!?! No bandwidth!!!

hotdamn
Sep 22, 2007, 09:23 PM
AHH! Why does everyone use Imageshack?!?!?! No bandwidth!!!

The same reason why people in Europe still use ICQ.

Which brings me back to the question: WHY?

Looks fine sans the menubar, which looked best when they introduced the grass, Vista look-alike or not, it looked so damn good.

ventro
Sep 22, 2007, 09:27 PM
Anyone got a mirror for the new volume bezel?

bathysphere
Sep 22, 2007, 09:43 PM
The same reason why people in Europe still use ICQ...

which is?

all the images are down on image shack, i'd love a mirror if anyone has one...

-Alan-
Sep 22, 2007, 09:50 PM
I don't like the new music either.

They need a good sci-fi tune to match the video.

I agree...something like this (http://ufoseries.com/music/beg.mp3). :D

Edit: If you don't know where that's from (http://ufoseries.com/movieClips/opening.wmv).

BTW
Sep 22, 2007, 09:53 PM
which is?

all the images are down on image shack, i'd love a mirror if anyone has one...

Maybe they're all ex-AOL users. ICQ is AOL's baby.

AppleWoW
Sep 22, 2007, 09:54 PM
I agree...something like this (http://ufoseries.com/music/beg.mp3). :D

Edit: If you don't know what that's from (http://ufoseries.com/movieClips/opening.wmv).

OMG THIS WOULD BE AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!

Edit: You should try putting this to the intro.

Wayfarer
Sep 22, 2007, 09:58 PM
I agree...something like this (http://ufoseries.com/music/beg.mp3). :D

Edit: If you don't know where that's from (http://ufoseries.com/movieClips/opening.wmv).

o_O;

You have got to be kidding.

-Alan-
Sep 22, 2007, 10:01 PM
OMG THIS WOULD BE AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!

:rolleyes: Heh heh

curmi
Sep 22, 2007, 10:11 PM
OMG THIS WOULD BE AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!

Edit: You should try putting this to the intro.

I agree! Someone edit it with this and put it on YouTube. I loved that show!

webteeth
Sep 22, 2007, 10:21 PM
Hey all: I've mirrored the images found at the mcdevzone website, and set-up the gallery on my site. It's accessible at http://chrisisthebest.com/files/Site_2/ . If anyone has the images of the volume control and the new spaces icon, I'd be happy to add those to this page.

Cheers!

nagromme
Sep 22, 2007, 10:33 PM
The main reason it isn't exposed is that no hardware exists that needs it... YET. Apple has given guidance on this but that is all I can say.

I know several developers at several companies that have been preparing for it (I am one of them).

Good work :) I knew it must be happening, but I fear it's not being attended to by very many developers or I'd have heard more about it. (For instance, I hear about developers doing stuff with Spotlight and other features.)

Also, even current hardware can benefit from res-independence. (In fact, Windows has a primitive halfway version of it already). Just like people adjust font size and view % in different apps, they'd make use of the same freedom when it comes to menus and controls--not to mention the convenience of making the setting system-wide and permanent (unlike view prefs). I know I would definitely use scaling larger AND smaller than normal at different times, on my current Mac, if the feature were complete.

I agree...something like this (http://ufoseries.com/music/beg.mp3). :D

Edit: If you don't know where that's from (http://ufoseries.com/movieClips/opening.wmv).

How have I never heard of that show??

I must have been too busy watching Space Academy :o

bdkennedy1
Sep 22, 2007, 10:36 PM
Please tell me the new wallpaper is temporary just to throw us off until the final build.

A picture of the planet Earth for wallpaper. wow.

powderblue17
Sep 22, 2007, 10:43 PM
Please tell me the new wallpaper is temporary just to throw us off until the final build.

A picture of the planet Earth for wallpaper. wow.

What exactly are you expecting? It's a wallpaper for christ's sake. Don't like it take your butt over to interfacelift.com and find something you like.

ventro
Sep 22, 2007, 10:57 PM
The default should be the bamboo. It looks a lot cleaner than the original grass, tons better than the pink star explosion, and would look great in an Apple store.

nagromme
Sep 22, 2007, 11:05 PM
I assume the purple aurora is behind the login window? That might not look have bad.

imacdaddy
Sep 22, 2007, 11:15 PM
Having iCal's icon show the current date is alone worth the upgrade! :p

Hahaha...but seriously though, what's the big deal about iCal showing the current date? I have my iCal on auto launch at start-up and it always shows the correct date. :cool:

Nugget
Sep 22, 2007, 11:20 PM
but seriously though, what's the big deal about iCal showing the current date?

If it was Vista that behaved that way we'd never stop making fun of it -- I don't see why Apple should get a free pass for such a boneheaded thing. Sure, if you run iCal you don't experience the bug. That doesn't mean that it's not really stupid behavior otherwise. It's bad design no matter how you look at it.

Heck, it'd be better if iCal didn't show any date at all than for it to show the wrong date.

aliquis-
Sep 22, 2007, 11:45 PM
Why does Apple belive it's a good idea with multiple contact lists? Sure they managed to put all the chats in one window now, but why did they had multiple contact lists in the first place?

mdriftmeyer
Sep 22, 2007, 11:46 PM
The new intro music is awful - it doesn't even remotely fit in with the video. It's like they just pulled the name of a song out of a hat or something.

It is freakin' awful. I can't stand that new iMac music in their ad. It makes you want to punch the band in the nuts--oh wait! It already sounds like it lacks any balls.

MrPineapples
Sep 22, 2007, 11:57 PM
The real date on the icon.....

That IS what i've been fingers crossed for, for some time know.

My faith is restored.

jaredbkt
Sep 23, 2007, 12:02 AM
What's the obsession with posting screen shots of System Preferences? I don't get that at all. How about iCal, Mail, iChat, Safari, multiple Finders shots, Time Machine, different Dock setups (stacks, etc), Address Book???

There are so many more interesting things to look at other than System Preferences. Is it really so amazing that you need to see how the Desktop and Screen Savers section looks?

How about some REAL screen shots people.

ChrisA
Sep 23, 2007, 12:02 AM
I can almost promise you that there is a process running in the background to make that happen, that's the only way I can think they would have done it. Unless the clock process (that's running already) pushes it to it. If it's the first one you're wasting some resources in making a dock have the date...

Would be pretty easy to have a cron job run every day at 12:00am to change the icon. Would take me about 20 minutes to set that up on any UNIX-like system (assuming I had 31 pre-made icons.)

bennifer3000
Sep 23, 2007, 12:15 AM
When you click on an icon in the Dock does it still bring up a list of options and is this same interface/theme as in Tiger?

hokullani
Sep 23, 2007, 12:21 AM
My internet is down so i am on my iphone but i still cant see the video because you tube isnt working on my phone at all, anyone else with this problem

MAcNIAC
Sep 23, 2007, 12:31 AM
sounds like some of you need this, in the mean time

http://www.blocksoft.net/iconical.html

Cormier6083
Sep 23, 2007, 12:43 AM
I agree...something like this (http://ufoseries.com/music/beg.mp3). :D

Edit: If you don't know where that's from (http://ufoseries.com/movieClips/opening.wmv).

SWEET LORD JEEBUS

eric55lv
Sep 23, 2007, 12:48 AM
thats the same music in the intel imac 2nd gen ads

GKThursday
Sep 23, 2007, 01:40 AM
I agree...something like this (http://ufoseries.com/music/beg.mp3). :D

Edit: If you don't know where that's from (http://ufoseries.com/movieClips/opening.wmv).

I think a bit more like this (http://www.drwhoguide.com/mp3/who10.mp3) might fit the ticket perfectly. I'm sure the TARDIS uses OS X 25.4 "Serval"

Might actually fit the welcome screen, can anyone give it a try?

radman222
Sep 23, 2007, 01:48 AM
I think a bit more like this (http://www.drwhoguide.com/mp3/who10.mp3) might fit the ticket perfectly. I'm sure the TARDIS uses OS X 25.4 "Serval"

Might actually fit the welcome screen, can anyone give it a try?

That music is perfect. I'm trying to sync it properly to the welcome screen.

Does anyone have a copy outside of Youtube? Or, how can I download the youtube version?

SiliconAddict
Sep 23, 2007, 02:08 AM
:rolleyes: That intro video....I was kinda expecting an intro of....space. The final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship pullsitoutofmyfanny.
It really was a bonehead move to integrate that whole space thing into the intro. I mean other then Time Machine it doesn't have a thing to do with the OS itself other then being something that someone thought HEY! Why don't we do this for something different.
And for something different I'll continue to bitch...As for the icons. Thank god. Because I know that tweaked icons were high on my priority list. Seriously, while I know they have multiple teams working on leopard, OK so I'm assuming they do. If they put half as much effort into advanced feature sets as they do with the spit and polish they put into icons and minor features Leopard would have been a much more interesting OS. While I'm going to get it anyways simply because of its expanded ability to utilize multiple cores, Leopard feels like another marginal OS bump.
Sure they are continuing to refine 10.x but the overall design still feels like 10.0. I mean whatever happened to piles for god sake? All this theoretical R&D that Apple drops cash on. Don't tell me it lead to a transparent menubar or a wannabe fake 3D dock. Never mind the fact that the dock hasn't really changed since day one even though there is MASSIVE room for growth just there.
They don't need to reinvent the wheel but would it hurt Apple to give us something that makes that new shiny OS feel next generation instead of some marginal update? I mean bitch at MS all you want. (Trust me I do that as well since I don't think MS or Apple have the perfect OS.) At least they are taking risks with some interesting technology in Vista. And there is interesting tech in Vista.

yoyo5280
Sep 23, 2007, 02:13 AM
:rolleyes: That intro video....I was kinda expecting an intro of....space. The final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship pullsitoutofmyfanny.
It really was a bonehead move to integrate that whole space thing into the intro. I mean other then Time Machine it doesn't have a thing to do with the OS itself other then being something that someone thought HEY! Why don't we do this for something different.
And for something different I'll continue to bitch...As for the icons. Thank god. Because I know that tweaked icons were high on my priority list. Seriously, while I know they have multiple teams working on leopard, OK so I'm assuming they do. If they put half as much effort into advanced feature sets as they do with the spit and polish they put into icons and minor features Leopard would have been a much more interesting OS. While I'm going to get it anyways simply because of its expanded ability to utilize multiple cores, Leopard feels like another marginal OS bump.
Sure they are continuing to refine 10.x but the overall design still feels like 10.0. I mean whatever happened to piles for god sake? All this theoretical R&D that Apple drops cash on. Don't tell me it lead to a transparent menubar or a wannabe fake 3D dock. Never mind the fact that the dock hasn't really changed since day one even though there is MASSIVE room for growth just there.
They don't need to reinvent the wheel but would it hurt Apple to give us something that makes that new shiny OS feel next generation instead of some marginal update? I mean bitch at MS all you want. (Trust me I do that as well since I don't think MS or Apple have the perfect OS.) At least they are taking risks with some interesting technology in Vista. And there is interesting tech in Vista.
You may now leave the forum for stating the mostly true in a painful way, and complementing vista. BYE BYE

JKJK

You have an interesting point...

Darkroom
Sep 23, 2007, 02:24 AM
I think a bit more like this (http://www.drwhoguide.com/mp3/who10.mp3) might fit the ticket perfectly. I'm sure the TARDIS uses OS X 25.4 "Serval"

Might actually fit the welcome screen, can anyone give it a try?

OMG YES!!!!!!!!!! i really wanna see that tried and submitted to apple... haha... mac who!

radman222
Sep 23, 2007, 02:33 AM
OMG YES!!!!!!!!!! i really wanna see that tried and submitted to apple... haha... mac who!

Wow, it turned out WAY better than I hoped!

http://www.itsalltaken.com/bettermusic.mov

If that doesn't work, try:

http://www.itsalltaken.com/leopard_bettermusic.mp4

jepjepjep
Sep 23, 2007, 02:42 AM
I think the new dock is fugly! Please let there be an option to remove the 3D floor.

CavemanUK
Sep 23, 2007, 02:56 AM
For it to be correct, it would have to be aware of the placement and geometry of the trash can in 3 dimensions. Icons are still 2D, either 512x512 pixels with colors and a transparency channel or vector based. There would be a way to make the trash look more realistic in the way it reflects, but it would look weird and wrong on other icons.

Just thing of icons as floating pictures. They really are floating, most don't physically touch the dock bar anyway. the iChat icon would fall to the right because it's weight center is to the right of the spike. But the icons are all flat so they would have to fall backward so they lay flat on the dock bar. This might look interesting, but would make it hard to use...

So... yea :D

To be fair, it wouldnt be that difficult to switch off the automatic reflection for the icon and have a realistic reflection drawn by the icon artist. Or maybe they just need to make a new recycle bin thats viewed from a more suitable angle... its definately gonna bug people if they keep it like this

yoyo5280
Sep 23, 2007, 03:04 AM
I think the new dock is fugly! Please let there be an option to remove the 3D floor.
I Love it! I hate (or not hate, cause that is a bit to harsh for anything apple makes) the old dock

offwidafairies
Sep 23, 2007, 03:10 AM
Oh my, how long have we waited for that iCal icon?!!

yay its so awesome :)

Stridder44
Sep 23, 2007, 03:38 AM
While all this chat about the opening music is so interesting :rolleyes:, does anyone have an actual working mirror of all the pics?

tibi08
Sep 23, 2007, 03:48 AM
Wow, it turned out WAY better than I hoped!

http://www.itsalltaken.com/bettermusic.mov

If that doesn't work, try:

http://www.itsalltaken.com/leopard_bettermusic.mp4

That's the funniest thing I've seen on these forums for ages... :p

samh004
Sep 23, 2007, 03:53 AM
does anyone have an actual working mirror of all the pics?

Yes, I'd like to see some of these screenshots that aren't viewable right now due to bandwidth.

Detektiv-Pinky
Sep 23, 2007, 03:55 AM
Wow, it turned out WAY better than I hoped!

http://www.itsalltaken.com/bettermusic.mov

If that doesn't work, try:

http://www.itsalltaken.com/leopard_bettermusic.mp4

Wow, that is really great!
Also the timing fit's just perfect.
Maybe the current music is just a placeholder for THIS! :eek:

jockmock
Sep 23, 2007, 04:01 AM
Wow, it turned out WAY better than I hoped!

http://www.itsalltaken.com/bettermusic.mov

If that doesn't work, try:

http://www.itsalltaken.com/leopard_bettermusic.mp4

hahha that's amazing! Sad it won't happen though, Apple are far to conservative and they want "softer" music

M. Malone
Sep 23, 2007, 04:08 AM
They practically have every language on the welcome screen but Arabic, I really think that's not cool. Arabic is a major language in the world and Apple should have acknowledged its existence in the welcome screen.

Apple has quite a strong presence in parts of the Middle East, I know many publishing companies in the middle east that rely solely on Macs.

Personally I have switched my entire company into using Macs, just doesn't feel nice to have my language to be left out. No big deal, but would have been nice :rolleyes:

Mr.damien
Sep 23, 2007, 04:23 AM
Wow, it turned out WAY better than I hoped!

http://www.itsalltaken.com/bettermusic.mov

If that doesn't work, try:

http://www.itsalltaken.com/leopard_bettermusic.mp4

Damn I though it was the original from Apple :(
It just rocks the original one, the Apple's music just suck.

i0Nic
Sep 23, 2007, 04:24 AM
That music is awesome! Where is it from, Dr Who soundtrack?

BKKbill
Sep 23, 2007, 04:31 AM
They practically have every language on the welcome screen but Arabic, I really think that's not cool. Arabic is a major language in the world and Apple should have acknowledged its existence in the welcome screen.

Apple has quite a strong presence in parts of the Middle East, I know many publishing companies in the middle east that rely solely on Macs.

Personally I have switched my entire company into using Macs, just doesn't feel nice to have my language to be left out. No big deal, but would have been nice :rolleyes:

Ethnologue lists 6,912 living languages in the world today. With Arabic (all varieties) in number 4 so can see your point.

koobcamuk
Sep 23, 2007, 04:40 AM
That music is awesome! Where is it from, Dr Who soundtrack?

Yes, that's Dr. Who.

No, Apple won't [can't] use this for 10.5 inrto movie.

Manic Mouse
Sep 23, 2007, 04:59 AM
They practically have every language on the welcome screen but Arabic, I really think that's not cool. Arabic is a major language in the world and Apple should have acknowledged its existence in the welcome screen.

It's not final yet so it may be in the shipping version of 10.5. It really should be as it's a widely spoken language.

I had a dream about a Leopard last night. I'm getting really impatient, it seems like I've been waiting forever for 10.5. And now I've warmed to all the interface changes I love everything about it!

avigalante
Sep 23, 2007, 05:01 AM
There are no "top secret" features left to learn. We knew about them this summer. Mainly they were the new UI. Example: stacks in the Dock (which is functionality, not just eye candy).

I never argued that there was no functionality; however, with that included - there's still 199 so-called top secret features left.

We did know about them this summer, and people were/are still expecting 200+ features.

What is so earth-shattering about Leopard? It just seems like Tiger with a new face (kind of like another OS I know of...)

Manic Mouse
Sep 23, 2007, 05:05 AM
I never argued that there was no functionality; however, with that included - there's still 199 so-called top secret features left.

We did know about them this summer, and people were/are still expecting 200+ features.

What is so earth-shattering about Leopard? It just seems like Tiger with a new face (kind of like another OS I know of...)

It's almost as if Leopard is a point upgrade or something instead of revolutionising the entire earth and producing world peace!

Give me a break, Leopard looks awesome. There are plenty of new things like spaces, time machine and stacks along with UI improvements and under-the-hood improvements like Core Animation. With this you also get improved applications like iChat, Mail and a new Finder.

What more can you ask for? There are PLENTY of improvements in Leopard.

avigalante
Sep 23, 2007, 05:22 AM
It's almost as if Leopard is a point upgrade or something instead of revolutionising the entire earth and producing world peace!

Give me a break, Leopard looks awesome. There are plenty of new things like spaces, time machine and stacks along with UI improvements and under-the-hood improvements like Core Animation. With this you also get improved applications like iChat, Mail and a new Finder.

What more can you ask for? There are PLENTY of improvements in Leopard.

Just as you said... looks awesome; I am getting to the neck with how obsessed people are with the eye-candy. Yes, Leopard has many advancements (e.g.: Stacks, Core Animation, Time Machine, and etc.), and yes, it looks like no other OS I've ever seen.

If my recollection serves me correct, from Jobs' keynote at MWSF '07, I distinctly remember him stating that "this is going to be the biggest overhaul, the biggest change in OS history." Besides the advancements in Time Machine (definitely functional) and Stacks/Spaces, I don't see much of an 'earth-shattering' breakthrough.

Will Leopard be great? Of course. Is it an advancement? Of course. Is it groundbreaking and completely revolutionized? I'm not so sure about this one... (I think some people have been sipping the Kool-Aid a bit much, but we'll know on launch day for sure).

EDIT: I'm trying to add value to my position in AAPL; In my view, Leopard has not been priced into the stock (it's mostly new iPhones/iPods that have shown the increase in price), I want to know positive and fundamental information (e.g.: In general, how is this going to change the OS world?; why I should add value and bank on Leopard?; if this OS will get AAPL incrementally/exponentially more market share, and why?)

elppa
Sep 23, 2007, 05:24 AM
At least they are taking risks with some interesting technology in Vista. And there is interesting tech in Vista.

There a plenty of interesting technologies in Leopard, so that statement doesn't really stand up to any sort of critical analysis.

Especially when many of the "interesting" technologies you cite in Vista are really just MS playing catch up with what else is available.

elppa
Sep 23, 2007, 05:31 AM
I never argued that there was no functionality; however, with that included - there's still 199 so-called top secret features left.

We did know about them this summer, and people were/are still expecting 200+ features.

What is so earth-shattering about Leopard? It just seems like Tiger with a new face (kind of like another OS I know of...)

I think you have got two things confused:

[1] Steve Jobs said there were some top secret features in Leopard. These were revealed at WWDC 2007 as the new Finder and the new Dock featuring Stacks.

[2] A separate claim was that there were 200 new features. Quite what counts as a feature depends. Do you count the new Finder as a feature (a whole new app) or do you count inline editing in iCal as a feature (an addition to a current app). Either way, none of these were claimed to be top secret.

avigalante
Sep 23, 2007, 05:44 AM
I think you have got two things confused:

[1] Steve Jobs said there were some top secret features in Leopard. These were revealed at WWDC 2007 as the new Finder and the new Dock featuring Stacks.

[2] A separate claim was that there were 200 new features. Quite what counts as a feature depends. Do you count the new Finder as a feature (a whole new app) or do you count inline editing in iCal as a feature (an addition to a current app). Either way, none of these were claimed to be top secret.

Well, if it's 200+ features without the "top secret" inclusion, then this tidbit of information changes a couple of things... Appreciate the clarification.

50548
Sep 23, 2007, 05:54 AM
There is also a new icon for the Desktop in Finder. It has the updated default desktop picture.

New Desktop Icon (http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/3954/6lt2exl6xm4.png)

That icon is simply GORGEOUS! And yeah, iCal's real date on the dock is worth the upgrade! :D

Cloudsurfer
Sep 23, 2007, 05:59 AM
Wow, it turned out WAY better than I hoped!

http://www.itsalltaken.com/bettermusic.mov

If that doesn't work, try:

http://www.itsalltaken.com/leopard_bettermusic.mp4

this is my take on it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tenMJnLmR3I

ClaphamChris
Sep 23, 2007, 06:04 AM
this is my take on it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tenMJnLmR3I

Brilliant. Quite, quite brilliant.

Darkroom
Sep 23, 2007, 06:06 AM
Wow, it turned out WAY better than I hoped!

http://www.itsalltaken.com/bettermusic.mov

If that doesn't work, try:

http://www.itsalltaken.com/leopard_bettermusic.mp4

PERFECT!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahaha... i LOVE IT!!!

this is my take on it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tenMJnLmR3I

omg this is sooooo good! they should actually consider using it! haha... i love this thread!

thefunkymunky
Sep 23, 2007, 06:17 AM
And yeah, iCal's real date on the dock is worth the upgrade! :D

Does iCal's icon also update in the Applications folder???:confused:

avigalante
Sep 23, 2007, 06:38 AM
They practically have every language on the welcome screen but Arabic, I really think that's not cool. Arabic is a major language in the world and Apple should have acknowledged its existence in the welcome screen.

Apple has quite a strong presence in parts of the Middle East, I know many publishing companies in the middle east that rely solely on Macs.

Personally I have switched my entire company into using Macs, just doesn't feel nice to have my language to be left out. No big deal, but would have been nice :rolleyes:

As'salaamualaikum/Ehlen wa'sah len :o

(For everyone else: that's "hello" in Arabic)

Karf
Sep 23, 2007, 07:20 AM
The Golden Master Leopard Intro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b72lxfHcQg) :p

I Am Designer™
Sep 23, 2007, 07:22 AM
I have to agree with what one of the previous posters on this thread has said... What is the obsession with taking screen shots of System preferences, Parental Controls, Empty desktops etc etc?! When there are so many things we have have seen little of - i.e. - adding new events to iCal, iCal drop box, iCal itself! Quicklook, What options are there for stacks? Finder window - searches, burn folders, saved searches, coverflow with Quicklook etc etc, Screensharing, Back to my Mac, How does an email sent via the new Mail.app using stationery look in gmail? hotmail? iChat quicklook... Spaces in action with itunes, quicktime, photoshop etc etc etc etc...

I can imagine there's a lot covered by NDA's, but if someone is going to go to the trouble of taking screenshots and then posting them - post something we haven't seen! And don't use an image upload service that is crippled (looking at you imageshack!)

Does anyone have an image of the new sound bezel?!?! :p

MrCrowbar
Sep 23, 2007, 07:23 AM
It's pretty terrible in Tiger, slow, freezes for minutes, crashes a lot...

So here's 3 question to the people that have the latest Leopard version:

1. Does it look and work like AppleTV's interface?
2. Does it work? I.e. is it responsive and stable?
3. Does it work with Perian 1.0? So I can play all my videos?

Thanks. :o

coffey7
Sep 23, 2007, 07:25 AM
I hope leopard can come out before the next lunar eclipse. :D

I love those spandex suits.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fElNGALb5sA

Darkroom
Sep 23, 2007, 07:27 AM
The Golden Master Leopard Intro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b72lxfHcQg) :p

hells yeah! haha... that was sweet...

but i do believe that your mention of the Gold Master Intro you were actually referring to this:

Mac OS 10.5 Astro-Intro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2OqkromRgE)

:D:D

psychofreak
Sep 23, 2007, 07:28 AM
That icon is simply GORGEOUS! And yeah, iCal's real date on the dock is worth the upgrade! :D

Wouln't it be awesome if the icon updated to represent your background? And maybe even your dock positioning...

Lesser Evets
Sep 23, 2007, 07:29 AM
About time, iCal.

Everyone ready for the October 1, 00:00:01 release date???

How's that for optimism?
hells yeah! haha... that was sweet...

but i do believe that your mention of the Gold Master Intor you were referring to this: Mac OS 10.5 Astro-Intro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2OqkromRgE)

:D:D

Astroboy....awesome.

curmi
Sep 23, 2007, 07:32 AM
The Golden Master Leopard Intro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7b72lxfHcQg) :p

Absolutely brilliant! Come on Apple!!!!

TheSpecialist
Sep 23, 2007, 07:32 AM
That would be sweet but that's in a week, even Apple couldn't do that!:(

Everyone ready for the October 1, 00:00:01 release date???

psychofreak
Sep 23, 2007, 07:34 AM
I'm still wondering whether I'll use the default folders, or some from the Agua iconset...

webteeth
Sep 23, 2007, 07:44 AM
Wow... these videos are all real good, all better tracks than the apple version :) I'd have to say my fav right now is the one at http://www.itsalltaken.com/bettermusic.mov

Cheers!

Lesser Evets
Sep 23, 2007, 07:46 AM
That would be sweet but that's in a week, even Apple couldn't do that!:(

I know, but I am just as prescient and realistic as any other blurted expectations.

TheSpecialist
Sep 23, 2007, 07:48 AM
You have me there:p;)

I know, but I am just as prescient and realistic as any other blurted expectations.

manu chao
Sep 23, 2007, 07:52 AM
This is sort of off topic, sorry but I want to make a correction.

To whoever said that you can't put the date in the menubar, you can here's how:

Go into the international preferences pane in System Preferences and click on the formats tab

Click Customize under the dates section. In the drop down box select medium. In the field under the drop down box highlight the Month and date boxes as if you were highlighting text. Right Click and select copy. Click the cancel button.

Now back in the formats tab click customize under the Times section. Select Medium. Click in the field where you want the date to go, right click and select paste. Now add any formating you're going to want such as commas and spaces. You will most likely want to put a comma and space in as the first characters in the field as the date and time will display in the menubar after the day of the week. The field when you are done should look something like this: ", Jan 5, 7: 08: 09 PM". When you are done click OK.

Its as easy as that. The only problem with this method is that I do not know if it will work in Leopard, but as far as Tiger is concerned-it is a grand work-around.

EDIT: Nevermind, simX beat me to it


Except that is does not work for a lot of people as the comment on macosxhints show. It also does not work for me. There is the notion that it does not work for non-US set-ups.

manu chao
Sep 23, 2007, 07:55 AM
Well, you get a mini preview of the actual window. A minimized iCal window with green stuff in it tells you you have an office appointment for example. And especially now that icons are 512x512, the mini previews are actually useful :D

Not really if you use the Month view.

manu chao
Sep 23, 2007, 08:02 AM
If it was Vista that behaved that way we'd never stop making fun of it -- I don't see why Apple should get a free pass for such a boneheaded thing. Sure, if you run iCal you don't experience the bug. That doesn't mean that it's not really stupid behavior otherwise. It's bad design no matter how you look at it.

Heck, it'd be better if iCal didn't show any date at all than for it to show the wrong date.

Well, Mail does not show the number of unread e-mails when it is not running.