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Blue Velvet
Sep 23, 2007, 01:15 PM
Yes, it's getting around to that time again to brush off my CV (resumé to those in the US) and start looking around... and it's been a while since I was in the job market.

My first impulse is to keep it plain and simple, nice type, two pages max, easy to scan and PDF etc... but some in the creative industries seem to favour something with a little flair, some even advocate really outlandish documents.

I guess I'm looking for something relatively senior with some management in my role, although these days I could probably tackle most things. For job-hunting, how essential would it be to set up a simple website for primarily a print designer/project manager?

Any general thoughts are most welcome...



bluetooth
Sep 23, 2007, 01:30 PM
Personally, I would keep it to one page with a decent cover letter - even for senior positions. A cover letter can explain how your talent and experiences relate to the position you are applying for, the actual resume, should be brief and to the point.

I was fortunate enough to sit in and observe some interviews for management etc. in my previous job and I can tell you that when they have a dozen or more applicants, resumes etc. people (in my experience) do not want to read 2-3 pages on someone. A good strong, well written cover letter, along with a brief but informative resume, will get you the interview in which you can elaborate further on your experience etc.

As for style, I believe that resumes and cover letters and a great way to illustrate your strong sense of typography and ability to produce a neat, clean layout, however, stay away from actual "designs", using a lot of colour, gradients and the like. The employer should be looking at your information/experience not your design skills - your design skills will be evident in your portfolio, so keep the resume, simple and clean, but perhaps with a little bit of flair (just nothing over the top or too distracting).

- my 2 cents

Blue Velvet
Sep 23, 2007, 01:37 PM
Thanks, I wasn't planning on gradients or colour... professional suicide is not an option yet. ;)

My work experience goes back twenty-plus years, with the last ten years being particularly note-worthy but there are positions that go back further that have some bearing on my skill-set, so I thought that two nicely-spaced pages — rather than one cramped page — with the most vital stuff on the first page would suffice.

A custom covering letter for each position I apply for would be par for the course.

irishgrizzly
Sep 23, 2007, 01:48 PM
Hi Blue Velvet,

The last time we were hiring at our studio, we relied heavily on online CVs. Lots of them were small flash based pages. They were the easiest to show around to the directors and get a consensus as to the the quality of work. Most of the plain written submissions got binned, so I'd say online is the way to go. Have a link to a plain CV as a PDF download from your site.

Goodluck! :D

Blue Velvet
Sep 23, 2007, 01:54 PM
Have a link to a plain CV as a PDF download from your site.

At this stage, what site? :o

You're talking to someone from mainly a publishing background with indepth print and display design, senior client-facing, print-buying, studio and project management skills with a well-rounded technical support background.

I might get to do an animated GIF once a month or so... although a few years ago, I did stack up some Dreamweaver experience on another project. :o

I'm reluctant to make any personal details available online.

Golf Tango
Sep 23, 2007, 01:56 PM
i have recently been involved in recruiting artworkers and some of the CVs we were getting were pretty cringeworthy. Far too long, chatty and irrelevant in most cases. People genuinely put down things like, "In my spare time i enjoy watching TV." Then there were candidates who tried to have clever, zany CVs. Bearing in mind that they were applying for a job with a major bank it just wasn't appropriate.

A strong covering letter and a CV that sums you up quickly will do the job. We discarded most of our applicants pretty quickly, we knew what we were looking for and it didn't matter how witty the covering letter was or how many hobbies they had, all we were interested in was the ability to do the job. Simple, clear, clean and concise does the job in my opinion. Leave all the clever design work in your portfolio. Your recruiters will know what they are looking for, make sure they can find it quickly in your CV.

Lau
Sep 23, 2007, 02:00 PM
I have heard that people are expecting a website more and more these days, but then that is more from a newb hitting the market point of view. I'd imagine that people established in a job could show off the work they've done by pointing them to their current company's site.

Incidentally, if you do need a simple website, I'd be happy to build you one. You've helped me out (and bought me dinner!) on various occasions, and I'd be more than happy to repay the favour. :)

Blue Velvet
Sep 23, 2007, 02:01 PM
i have recently been involved in recruiting artworkers...

Thanks. That's reassuring seeing as inhouse positions appeal to me but I'm not ruling anything out...


People genuinely put down things like, "In my spare time i enjoy watching TV."

In my spare time I enjoy zapping n00bs and banning troublemakers at http://forums.macrumors.com/ :D


Incidentally, if you do need a simple website, I'd be happy to build you one.

I might just well take you up on that, but will not permit you to do it for free. Not under any circumstances.

Poopface Morty
Sep 23, 2007, 02:02 PM
I've always considered a designer's CV or resume to be an exercise in information hierarchy, layout, and typography. Never in illustrative talents or design flair, which is typically what the portfolio is for.

Lau
Sep 23, 2007, 02:05 PM
I might just well take you up on that, but will not permit you to do it for free. Not under any circumstances.

If so, I'll do it for the price of a nice dinner. ;)

TheAnswer
Sep 23, 2007, 02:10 PM
I'm reluctant to make any personal details available online.

Maybe put up an anonymous portfolio site that you can steer people towards whenever you send out your CV (via mail, email, in person, whatever). That way, prospective employers could get a quick look at the quality of your work after they look at your CV.

In addition, you could put the majority of your CV online, but leave personal details out and ask prospective employers to email you with details about the positions they have available, at which time you could provide the personal details.

Good Luck.

Jim Campbell
Sep 23, 2007, 04:37 PM
Yes, it's getting around to that time again to brush off my CV (resumé to those in the US) and start looking around... and it's been a while since I was in the job market.

Having invested a significant amount of time over the years both hiring and trying to be hired within the industry ...

I'll agree with posters above that it's all about typography. You know as well as I that the right font at the right size on the right leading will just blow someone way if they know what they're looking at.

When I was hiring, I was hiring juniors, so when someone could knock my socks off with type alone, I basically knew that I couldn't afford them! In your position, that's exactly the effect you're looking for, IMHO.

Try and hold it to one page (perhaps double sided) of A4 ... one of the nicest CVs I received combined gorgeous typography (IIRC, which I probably don't, I think it was something gloriously simple like 10pt Garamond Narrow on twenty-odd point leading) folded to DL and formatted like a posh restaurant menu. The b/g colour was a kind of off-white and there was a single, subtle paper tear effect on each face, but it was the typography that leapt out.

As far as the web aspect goes, I'd leave it the hell alone at the outset. If it's not your strong suit, and they haven't explicitly asked for it, then I'd gloss quietly over it. To that same end, I wouldn't try to set up a site as a showcase - they're going to ask if you did the site. If you did, then they're going to try and drop web development duties on you, if you have to fess up and say no, then you've copped to a (perceived) weakness in your skill set.

On this particular score, I have to admit that I always kind of came out fighting when anyone tried to point to a lack of web skills as a weakness. I said then, and I would still say now, that any person who walks into an interview and claims to be both a quality print designer and a competent web designer/developer is, frankly, a liar.

They're different disciplines and any prospective employer who expects a candidate to be able to do both to a pro standard is a cheap bastich who doesn't understand the value of either discipline.

Phew ... sorry about the rant. I'll shut up now.

Cheers

Jim

Blue Velvet
Sep 23, 2007, 04:44 PM
Maybe put up an anonymous portfolio site that you can steer people towards whenever you send out your CV (via mail, email, in person, whatever).

Good idea, if it's kept simple. :)


Phew ... sorry about the rant. I'll shut up now.

It's very much appreciated though, especially as I've been getting a little down about it tonight. Some very wise words there... Thanks, Jim. :)

MacBoobsPro
Sep 23, 2007, 05:01 PM
Attached is my CV. I tend to keep mine very simple and straight to the point. Clear and concise with a maximum of 2 pages. I also send them a covering letter pointing them towards my website www.stuartluff.co.uk and let that do the rest.

Jim Campbell
Sep 23, 2007, 05:27 PM
It's very much appreciated though, especially as I've been getting a little down about it tonight.

If print is your thang, then that's entirely understandable ... despite the huge part that print plays in all our lives, the rise of new media has lead to a devaluing of the medium in general perception.

And yet ... newspapers, novels, so many things, are still printed products that end up in our hands. I tried, several times, to make the move but I still can't replace the thrill of seeing something that I spent X number of hours designing come back as a finished product, of physically holding that product.

Frankly, it seems to me a lot like magic, and is, perhaps, (because Macs were the only game in town when I started) why I feel this huge emotional debt to Apple - to conceive a design in one's head be and to able to translate thought into tangible product ... No, it's not like magic, it is magic.

Cheers!

Jim

shecky
Sep 23, 2007, 07:30 PM
IMO,

CV should be typography and nothing but. no colors, no illustrations, no line art, no gradients no nothing but exceptional, perfectly executed type. period.

if you are not a web designer (nor am i) you should look at indexhibit (http://www.indexhibit.org/) which is a portfolio template that one of your countrymen, Daniel Eatock, came up with as a way to show his work without the site itself being overly designed. all administered via the web browser, etc.

ezekielrage_99
Sep 24, 2007, 01:44 AM
IMO,

CV should be typography and nothing but. no colors, no illustrations, no line art, no gradients no nothing but exceptional, perfectly executed type. period.


I tend to agree, your CV should reflect who you are as a person, nothing too fancy, to the point and spelling/grammatical error free.

Simplicity is the key, ideally the best CVs out there are 3 pages including a well written cover letter.

macgfxdesigner
Sep 24, 2007, 08:22 AM
I am also in the same boat and working my resume too! and looking for a job in the creative field!

bluetooth
Sep 24, 2007, 09:36 AM
This is a really good read...

http://www.rockportinstitute.com/resumes.html

Blue Velvet
Sep 24, 2007, 09:45 AM
This is a really good read...

Thanks... It's not so much the writing of it. I have some excellent resources and people to assist with that. My query was generally about presentation and how much and what kind of effort to put into it from a design perspective and specifically tailored for designers... especially for more senior roles.

I will check the link you've provided in more detail tonight though. :)

jng
Sep 24, 2007, 10:35 AM
As far as the web aspect goes, I'd leave it the hell alone at the outset. If it's not your strong suit, and they haven't explicitly asked for it, then I'd gloss quietly over it. To that same end, I wouldn't try to set up a site as a showcase - they're going to ask if you did the site. If you did, then they're going to try and drop web development duties on you, if you have to fess up and say no, then you've copped to a (perceived) weakness in your skill set.


I tend to agree with your reasons, but I still think it is smart to have a webpage. It might be as simple as something made in iWeb that has various PDFs for download. This way, your portfolio is online and what's not important is the website, but rather the content - in this case, examples of print work.

I managed to get a management job in a corporation at 22 despite having never formally studied design or CS through an onilne portfolio. It was not media heavy or extensive, but rahter just offered a few examples and links to my work.

If you're going for management, I think examples are important. They don't have to be flashy, but they should still be there. And having an online portfolio means a shorter resume, or you could focus on more important things like skills and qualifications instead of listing every small design job you ever had.

irishgrizzly
Sep 24, 2007, 06:09 PM
I tend to agree with your reasons, but I still think it is smart to have a webpage. It might be as simple as something made in iWeb that has various PDFs for download. This way, your portfolio is online and what's not important is the website, but rather the content - in this case, examples of print work.

I managed to get a management job in a corporation at 22 despite having never formally studied design or CS through an onilne portfolio. It was not media heavy or extensive, but rahter just offered a few examples and links to my work.

If you're going for management, I think examples are important. They don't have to be flashy, but they should still be there. And having an online portfolio means a shorter resume, or you could focus on more important things like skills and qualifications instead of listing every small design job you ever had.

Yeah, I know BV is more into print production end of things, not the flashy web side, but an online CV can go places you never dream of – people can pass the link around and you may be getting calls from places you'd never have the time or energy to send a paper CV to.

Blue Velvet
Sep 24, 2007, 11:49 PM
...an online CV can go places you never dream of...

Precisely why a little caution should be taken when a single woman is putting her address and phone number up for everyone to find in a place like London. ;)

jng
Sep 25, 2007, 03:50 PM
Precisely why a little caution should be taken when a single woman is putting her address and phone number up for everyone to find in a place like London. ;)

Right. I have blanks where my address and phone number should be on my online CV.

What's important, IMO, is the online portfolio. An online CV can just replicate what's on paper. But an online portfolio, even a simple iWeb listing of PDFs extends far beyond what you're handing the employer on paper.

iGav
Oct 12, 2007, 08:51 AM
Are you still looking for thoughts on this Blue?

Blue Velvet
Oct 14, 2007, 07:32 AM
Are you still looking for thoughts on this Blue?


Hi iGav, thanks for asking. :)

Will be right up until April-May-June... trying very hard to stick to the BV masterplan, which involves getting some other things out of the way first before looking for a new position in late spring or early summer.

What is also of some concern is my book/portfolio, whatever you want to call it. As well as marketing materials, I have a lot of display pieces and perfect-bound publications that are a little large and heavy to carry around. I can see me having to book some studio space to do some rostrum and product photography.

I have to start from scratch with this; haven't been in the job market for some years and much of my older work isn't that great or relevant, looking back on it now.

ac6789
Oct 16, 2007, 10:31 AM
In the same situation as BV, looking for a new job. I always seem to have trouble writing coverletters. i've look at numerous sites but nothing seems to help.

My main stumbling point is the so called "Flattery" paragraph where you show you've researched the company by writing about a project, award, or briefly what you know about the company. What is the best way to write this?

Any of you willing to share examples of how you've written this? Or is this paragraph even needed anymore? This section, to me, seems tacked on (probably my writting style-or lack thereof) so I'm not sure if it comes across as Flattery or an after-thought.

Help??

jng
Oct 16, 2007, 03:40 PM
I usually write something like this:

I have particular in interest in [name of some part of company or project here and my skills and expertise fit well. For example....

Something like that, probably better written. But I'm too lazy to fetch my ext HD to find an exact one at the moment...