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MacRumors
Sep 25, 2007, 01:40 PM
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Amidst little fan-fare, Apple Expo (http://www.apple-expo.com/uk/index.php?home=gp) kicked off today in Paris, France.


http://images.macrumors.com/article/2007/09/25/appleexpo07b04_300.jpg


Setteb.it (http://www.setteb.it/) provided some coverage and photos (http://www.setteb.it/content/view/2708/2/) from the floor.

Microsoft revealed (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/25/microsoft-unveils-mac-office-2008-packages-pricing/) their Mac Office 2008 pricing at the show.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/25/apple-expo-paris-begins/)



thejadedmonkey
Sep 25, 2007, 01:42 PM
cool, any word on any new stuff from :apple:?

ppc_michael
Sep 25, 2007, 01:47 PM
Isn't this usually a bigger deal?

Peace
Sep 25, 2007, 01:48 PM
No black curtains=No new products.

Orng
Sep 25, 2007, 02:02 PM
Shouldn't it be Expo Pomme?

BTW
Sep 25, 2007, 02:12 PM
Steve should have stayed a bit longer in Europe to attend this event unannounced. What a nice surprise that would have been for attendees. :)

Multimedia
Sep 25, 2007, 02:15 PM
My bad. Thought he'd show up with a Leopard demo & shipping date. :(

Bengt77
Sep 25, 2007, 02:17 PM
So, I guess Apple not being at the Apple Expo this week means that they really won't give us a Mac Pro mini. (For now.) Bummer...

TheSpecialist
Sep 25, 2007, 02:17 PM
Where do the iPhones run on? Orange?

Data
Sep 25, 2007, 02:19 PM
I really wonder if there is going to be a announcment of Anything what so ever over there in Parie, i don't see what that could be.

darthraige
Sep 25, 2007, 02:23 PM
It shouldn't even be called an "Apple Expo" over there.

Queso
Sep 25, 2007, 02:24 PM
It's a real shame to see what has happened to some of the old Expo events. Both Paris and New York used to really be things we could speculate about and look forward to. Now one is gone and the other all but, leaving just MWSF on the calendar for major showboat announcements. Which of course starts at 6pm UK time whilst most here are commuting home.

Just another thing those of us who've always been with Apple have had to say goodbye to as they move into the mainstream.

ibanana
Sep 25, 2007, 02:26 PM
As usual Apple expo Paris....zzzzzzzzzzz.....
we don't care French people as we have the best cheese and wine and women and food and country in the world ;)
PS: i'm french of course !


:apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple:

Bengt77
Sep 25, 2007, 02:32 PM
Where do the iPhones run on? Orange?
In France, yes. In the UK, however, O2 is the provider. And in Germany it's yet another again: T-Mobile. For a slew of other contries (to be added in 2008, as rumoured) Vodafone might be the provider. That would be great, since Vodafone is by far the best provider around. Not the cheapest, but overall, it's definitely the best. (It might even be the biggest, globally. Is it, anyone?) Also, why aren't they operating in the US?

elgruga
Sep 25, 2007, 02:33 PM
Sorry to say, but I am underwhelmed.

ngdesign
Sep 25, 2007, 02:41 PM
>< NOO.. i forgot to get my ticket

50548
Sep 25, 2007, 02:56 PM
Sorry to say, but I am underwhelmed.

Fret not, we have some GREAT news from Apple Expo!!!

Microsoft has just announced the pricing for Office 2008...uh, ok, nevermind...:rolleyes:

thejadedmonkey
Sep 25, 2007, 03:00 PM
Fret not, we have some GREAT news from Apple Expo!!!

Microsoft has just announced the pricing for Office 2008...uh, ok, nevermind...:rolleyes:

The saddest thing is, Microsoft has more to announce at an Apple event then Apple does:o

flopticalcube
Sep 25, 2007, 03:03 PM
As usual Apple expo Paris....zzzzzzzzzzz.....
we don't care French people as we have the best cheese and wine and women and food and country in the world ;)
PS: i'm french of course !


:apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple:

Except for your jobs, to which you have to hop on the Eurostar to Londres chaque jour.

alljunks
Sep 25, 2007, 03:21 PM
3G iphone...........???

TurboSC
Sep 25, 2007, 03:22 PM
3G iphone...........???

lol, when pigs fly.

Yea I'm underwhelmed too, but eh... eh... what is there to say... :(

Dreyfus
Sep 25, 2007, 03:23 PM
Well, really do not care if it is Paris, London, Berlin or St. Petersburg – but Apple's ignorance (yep - the word might be a little strong, but it's getting there) about it's European customers is getting to a point where it becomes annoying (and this is NOT any kind of an anti-US statement). Apple has much more growth potential in Europe and Asia than in the US and due to the decline of the USD it certainly makes good money overseas, as they sell the products for a lot more money here (much more than just adding VAT and shipping would justify - but others like Adobe are much worse). iPhone delay, iPod Touch availability, no movies and TV shows, absence of stores outside the UK, absence from Apple events... come on, just some glass pearls, like an Product RED iMac for Apple Expo Paris would have been appreciated. :mad:

TheSpecialist
Sep 25, 2007, 03:52 PM
About the same size as they where on at IBC 2007 (Amsterdam)

offwidafairies
Sep 25, 2007, 04:27 PM
My bad. Thought he'd show up with a Leopard demo & shipping date. :(

yeah that would have been a nice surprise

headfuzz
Sep 25, 2007, 04:48 PM
Apple Expo sans any interesting announcement from Apple = pretty pointless, imho :(

Cabbit
Sep 25, 2007, 05:06 PM
In France, yes. In the UK, however, O2 is the provider. And in Germany it's yet another again: T-Mobile. For a slew of other contries (to be added in 2008, as rumoured) Vodafone might be the provider. That would be great, since Vodafone is by far the best provider around. Not the cheapest, but overall, it's definitely the best. (It might even be the biggest, globally. Is it, anyone?) Also, why aren't they operating in the US?

never seen vodaphone out side of england, its rare in scotland. and never seen it in thailand, china or japan, nor in main land europe. i have however seen orange everyware.

OllyW
Sep 25, 2007, 05:14 PM
never seen vodaphone out side of england, its rare in scotland. and never seen it in thailand, china or japan, nor in main land europe. i have however seen orange everyware.

Vodafone Group Plc is a mobile network operator headquartered in Newbury, Berkshire, England, UK. It is the largest mobile telecommunications network company in the world by turnover and has a market value of about £84.7 billion (July 2007). (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vodafone)

You haven't looked very hard ;)

phillipjfry
Sep 25, 2007, 05:17 PM
My bad. Thought he'd show up with a Leopard demo & shipping date. :(

My Words exactly. At the very least some kind of vague signal of releasing teh great kitty! :)

headfuzz
Sep 25, 2007, 06:07 PM
never seen vodaphone out side of england, its rare in scotland. and never seen it in thailand, china or japan, nor in main land europe. i have however seen orange everyware.


<off topic>

I really don't understand Apple's European strategy for the iPhone contracts. O2 in the UK, T-Mobile in Germany and Orange in France... wtf? Unless I'm very much mistaken all those networks are resident in all those countries.

Why offer it to all networks yet limit each network's availability to a particular country? They would make shedloads more revenue by opening up the iPhone to all those networks in all those countries... It's very confusing for a company not to want to sell as many units of a flagship product as possible.

Apple wouldn't lock the iPod to only play songs performed in English... :confused:

</off topic>

twoodcc
Sep 25, 2007, 06:21 PM
cool, any word on any new stuff from :apple:?

that's what we're all waiting for. looks like nothing new from apple this year

psychofreak
Sep 25, 2007, 06:23 PM
that's what we're all waiting for. looks like nothing new from apple this year

I was hoping that we would see a Leopard release date...

Yuppi
Sep 25, 2007, 06:31 PM
Apple just created a virtual provider in any of the remaining european countries that will just distribute the iPhone. This way the price structure will be the same in every part of europe and there will be no roaming fees for voice and data. The management of the virtual provider is done by the 3 companies holding the current contracts.
Apple is going to finally unite europe ;)

And then I woke up.. Such a nice dream ;)

I Am Designer™
Sep 25, 2007, 06:39 PM
I really don't understand Apple's European strategy for the iPhone contracts. O2 in the UK, T-Mobile in Germany and Orange in France... wtf? Unless I'm very much mistaken all those networks are resident in all those countries.

I get the feeling Apple simply went with who would give them most revenue from the iPhone, not necessarily the best provider for that region...

Apple MUST have had some inside knowledge from Apple UK as to which providers carry most cache in this country etc... This is the 1st time I think Apple might have done something not directly with the users interest in mind - the iPhone itself has interaction, elegance and real human 'beauty' about it in droves (as do most things 'Apple') - but the business end of things, i.e - the tariffs and carrier - are just plain awful...

joeshell383
Sep 25, 2007, 11:15 PM
That would be great, since Vodafone is by far the best provider around. Not the cheapest, but overall, it's definitely the best. (It might even be the biggest, globally. Is it, anyone?) Also, why aren't they operating in the US?

1. They are.

Vodafone Group Plc is a mobile network operator headquartered in Newbury, Berkshire, England, UK. It is the largest mobile telecommunications network company in the world by turnover and has a market value of about £84.7 billion (July 2007). Vodafone currently has equity interests in 27 countries and Partner Networks (networks in which it has no equity stake) in a further 40 countries.

Vodafone Wikipedia Article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vodafone)

2. They are.

Headquartered in Basking Ridge, N.J., Verizon Wireless is the largest U.S. wireless company and largest wireless data provider, based on revenues. The company is a joint venture of Verizon Communications (NYSE:VZ) and Vodafone (NYSE and LSE: VOD).

Verizon Wireless-About Us (http://aboutus.vzw.com/aboutusoverview.html)

MacinDoc
Sep 26, 2007, 12:08 AM
Apple, Apple Canada and their educational equivalents are down - any relation to Expo Paris? New products, or just periodic maintenance?

joeshell383
Sep 26, 2007, 01:26 AM
They own like 50% of Verizon Wireless. So yeah they are in the states.

They own 45 percent, which equates into a proportional subscriber base of about 22,785,000.

tiger02
Sep 26, 2007, 02:33 AM
never seen vodaphone out side of england, its rare in scotland. and never seen it in thailand, china or japan, nor in main land europe. i have however seen orange everyware.

Not to pile on or anything, but as far as I can tell they also have the only Europe-wide tariff available, "Now."

However, I'm putting my nickel on T-Mobile for most of the rest of Europe.

Butthead
Sep 26, 2007, 03:13 AM
Apple, Apple Canada and their educational equivalents are down - any relation to Expo Paris? New products, or just periodic maintenance?

Yep, they are all down...which means in a few hours Steve-O will make a major annoucment @Paris Expo (btw, the real connoisseurs know that a select few Asian babes, just like the Armani design Samsung cell phone, are the hotest by far...w00t, Lee Hyo-ri, Jeon Ji-Hyun to name a few :D...French...eh, all they have is Romaneé Conti, bleh); Leopard ships Oct 1!!! lol. :p

netdog
Sep 26, 2007, 03:20 AM
Leopard ships Oct 1!!! lol. :p

And every copy ships with a free Mac Pro.

theGAPkid
Sep 26, 2007, 03:22 AM
Uk store still isn't down :(

The only thing Ive seen added on the UK page, is under the page where you can configure your mac, there is a new box (well new to me) which shows most common configs.

lowbb
Sep 26, 2007, 05:31 AM
never seen vodaphone out side of england, its rare in scotland. and never seen it china.i have however seen orange everyware.hong kong has vodafone:rolleyes:

AlBDamned
Sep 26, 2007, 05:56 AM
hong kong has vodafone:rolleyes:

Australia does as well.

Apple Expo sans any interesting announcement from Apple = pretty pointless, imho :(


Shhh.... don't tell the organisers you feel that way....

bc008
Sep 26, 2007, 06:08 AM
just a new skin on us store.
still cool though

abrooks
Sep 26, 2007, 06:26 AM
I've stated time and time again, the Apple Expo in Paris is a non-event. Sites like Mac Rumors pointlessly hype it up to only cause people to get pissed and moan when the event comes and goes with nothing.

AlBDamned
Sep 26, 2007, 06:32 AM
I've stated time and time again, the Apple Expo in Paris is a non-event. Sites like Mac Rumors pointlessly hype it up to only cause people to get pissed and moan when the event comes and goes with nothing.

You were right to state time and again, but actually MR has done very little to hype this event.

It's peoples' stupid, baseless expectations that have hyped it up. Despite the fact that for every other event - "special" or scheduled - there's at least a week's (if not more) lead time on a keynote announcement, and despite the fact that NOTHING has been released at Paris for three years, people were still hoping for the most ridiculous things.

You were applying logic to the possibilities of announcements, it seems the masses do/did not. Or being generous they clung on to the very last vestiges of hope that something might happen.

Project
Sep 26, 2007, 06:53 AM
Why are people complaining about Apple having nothing to show here?

We had WWDC in June
A special event in August for iMacs/iLife/iWork
A special event in September for iPod touch, nano, classic

Queso
Sep 26, 2007, 07:03 AM
never seen vodaphone out side of england, its rare in scotland. and never seen it in thailand, china or japan, nor in main land europe. i have however seen orange everyware.
Take a look at the Vodafone home page (http://www.vodafone.com/). That pull down menu shows all the countries they operate in. I've a feeling they may even be the biggest mobile provider on the planet now.

twoodcc
Sep 26, 2007, 07:25 AM
I was hoping that we would see a Leopard release date...

we all are hoping for that

Henri Gaudier
Sep 26, 2007, 07:30 AM
I've stated time and time again, the Apple Expo in Paris is a non-event. Sites like Mac Rumors pointlessly hype it up to only cause people to get pissed and moan when the event comes and goes with nothing.

With a 15 month old flagship model that has neither been improved or reduced in price you can't be too harsh on people hoping.:)

morespce54
Sep 26, 2007, 08:43 AM
and that's it???

Rocketman
Sep 26, 2007, 09:19 AM
The incessant whining about a lack of new products announced at this event is predictable and tiring.

More to the point. What is being EMPHASIZED there? What do most attendees find interesting there?

In case you guys missed it, after a product is announced, which only happens once, it has a product lifecycle, consumer feedback, bug fixes and a life of its own.

Rocketman

Stuipdboy1000
Sep 26, 2007, 09:35 AM
Anyone know when Apple will host another special event for Leopard?

ngdesign
Sep 26, 2007, 09:48 AM
babyjenniferLB

Vodafone Hong Kong = Smartone

they are everywhere, you just don't know it

peharri
Sep 26, 2007, 10:04 AM
3G iphone...........???

You know what's scary?

3G iPhone is beginning to feel like it has the same potential future joke factor as "Powerbook G5".

You know, many operators are going to roll out 4G networks in a couple of years. 3GPP Release 8 (UMTS LTE) is due for finalization before the end of this year. And, supposedly, the technology will be more efficient in every sense than the awful Code Division Multiple Access based stuff most 3G used.

What that bit of jargon means is that if Apple wants to, they might feel they can (and should) wait and jump right to a 4G iPhone, skipping 3G completely.

You read it here first.

hayesk
Sep 26, 2007, 10:08 AM
Well, really do not care if it is Paris, London, Berlin or St. Petersburg – but Apple's ignorance (yep - the word might be a little strong, but it's getting there) about it's European customers is getting to a point where it becomes annoying (and this is NOT any kind of an anti-US statement). Apple has much more growth potential in Europe and Asia than in the US and due to the decline of the USD it certainly makes good money overseas, as they sell the products for a lot more money here (much more than just adding VAT and shipping would justify - but others like Adobe are much worse). iPhone delay, iPod Touch availability, no movies and TV shows, absence of stores outside the UK, absence from Apple events... come on, just some glass pearls, like an Product RED iMac for Apple Expo Paris would have been appreciated. :mad:

When Europe accounts for the bulk of Apple's sales, then you will see more attention to Europe.

Compile 'em all
Sep 26, 2007, 10:12 AM
When Europe accounts for the bulk of Apple's sales, then you will see more attention to Europe.

Catch-22.

Steflinsky
Sep 26, 2007, 04:39 PM
Je peut pas y aller, je suis dégoûter .... Fait chier...

L'année prochaine vais tous faire pour y aller, en plus avec le TGV c'est juste à 1h3o de chez moi mais ca coute quand meme chere le TGV ... voyait
je pensse pas que quelqu'un comprenne quelque chose a ceu que j'ecrit et moi non plus ca tombe bien....

De tout facon à par dire Mac je t'aime tu est l'amour de ma vie et aucun autre mec pourra te remplacer meme pas un certain raymond...:D
J'ai pas grand chose a dire, j'attend ce putain d'iphone qui viens pas et leopard .... Snif

@plus vous americain qui nous envoyé des pomme déjà croquer.... mais tellement bonne ;)

Di9it8
Sep 26, 2007, 06:14 PM
Shouldn't it be Expo Pomme?

Shouldn't that be Pomme de terre or Pomme frite :D

PCMacUser
Sep 26, 2007, 09:19 PM
As usual Apple expo Paris....zzzzzzzzzzz.....
we don't care French people as we have the best cheese and wine and women and food and country in the world ;)
PS: i'm french of course !

Ahh those French women... perhaps the most beautiful I've seen. Cheese... yes I very much enjoy French cheeses, especially Rockefort (sp?). Wine? Hmm, the jury's out on that one. It's hard to beat a Rioja from Spain or a Sauvignon Blanc from NZ.

Now where's my new aluminium macbook? :)

AlBDamned
Sep 26, 2007, 10:44 PM
You know what's scary?

3G iPhone is beginning to feel like it has the same potential future joke factor as "Powerbook G5".

You know, many operators are going to roll out 4G networks in a couple of years.

What that bit of jargon means is that if Apple wants to, they might feel they can (and should) wait and jump right to a 4G iPhone, skipping 3G completely.

You read it here first.

2010 before 4G is in any usable state, though, right? And three years is a lifetime in cellphone handsets.

I do see your point, though. Apple couldn't get the G5 chip in a PowerBook because of power and heat issues and the G4 machines were eventually outclassed (for the last year to 18 months of their life more or less).

There are similarities, but the G5 was a specific chip line from one manufacturer, whereas all cellphone manufacturers are clamoring for better power consumption in their high-end handsets.

With that in mind, you'd hope the development is a little bit faster than the glacial dev speed of the PowerPC "G" series (or whatever their official, non-Apple designation was...).

peharri
Sep 27, 2007, 07:52 AM
2010 before 4G is in any usable state, though, right? And three years is a lifetime in cellphone handsets.


I wouldn't be so sure. I've read at least one operator say that upgrading from 3G to 4G is going to be a picnic compared to 2G to 3G. As in one Japanese operator saying it'll cost around 10% of what it did to switch to 3G. Another factor to consider is that certain 4G standards more or less exist already, such as WiMAX, albeit with higher level services like voice not standardized yet. Indeed, WiMAX is considered the likely primary system for the 700MHz spectrum that's being auctioned off soon.

Another thing which is bothering me is that T-Mobile US has had UMTS spectrum covering the entire country now since late last year (http://www.t-mobile.com/Cms/Files/Published/0000BDF20016F5DD010312E2BDE4AE9B/0000BDF20016F5DE01110E97F3D5E067/file/TMUS%20Q4%20Press%20Release%20FINAL%20CLEAN.pdf) and put in their 2006 Annual Report that they'd already blanketed the New York area in UMTS service. It's now September, and they've yet to roll out a single 3G handset. I'm wondering if they're having second thoughts and considering waiting another year and using the spectrum for 4G instead. Same costs, superior network, in theory anyway.

3G is considered a white elephant by much of the industry. Nobody ever offered any compelling services over it. It was too slow, had too high latency, and had too poor capacity, to be a serious Internet service provision system. Few people were interested in streaming media services. 4G at least has the capability to be something better.


There are similarities, but the G5 was a specific chip line from one manufacturer, whereas all cellphone manufacturers are clamoring for better power consumption in their high-end handsets.


This is true, and generally my comments are a little tongue in cheek. I'm not sure I even believe the power consumption excuse, there are plenty of UMTS phones out there with acceptable power consumption (and plenty of 2G phones, like most Motorolas I've ever had, that have poor power consumption)

Over-all though, it'd be interesting to see how much of a difference 4G makes, whether any networks are up within the next 18 months and whether, if they are, Apple embraces 4G with more enthusiasm than it's showing for 3G.

adrianjt
Sep 27, 2007, 08:51 AM
australian store down...

dreaming of a mini tower too

LizKat
Sep 27, 2007, 09:21 AM
... J'ai pas grand chose a dire, j'attend ce putain d'iphone qui viens pas et leopard .... Snif


Hmm. I love it. And it flies ok as long as one doesn't read much français.. ;)

Anyway as someone noted in a post elsewhere, apparently you can say "witch" in a MacRumors post, although of course that reference was intended to draw attention to what the poster had called the witch's, uh.. :rolleyes: elbows.

Steflinsky
Sep 27, 2007, 10:10 AM
Hmm. I love it. And it flies ok as long as one doesn't read much français.. ;)

Anyway as someone noted in a post elsewhere, apparently you can say "witch" in a MacRumors post, although of course that reference was intended to draw attention to what the poster had called the witch's, uh.. :rolleyes: elbows.

Je comprend rien a ce que ta dit, mais je suis a fond avec toi.......
Si tu comprend juste ca... " j ai pas envie de faire partie des clients d 'ORANGE please" mais je "witch" un iphone ...

LizKat
Sep 27, 2007, 11:44 AM
Je comprend rien a ce que ta dit, mais je suis a fond avec toi.......
Si tu comprend juste ca... " j ai pas envie de faire partie des clients d 'ORANGE please" mais je "witch" un iphone ...

Yes well then you are of course like us who "witch" the iPhone ;) that's a good one! -- but not an exclusive romance with ATT.

Mais au point de mon "post" précédente

:( what the h is the word for post

En un auture "post" que j'ai lu hier, en forum "Community Discussions", ce qui a discuté le climat où on avait lieu, quelqu'un a écrit "froid en tant que mamelon d'une sorcière"... pas chacun considérerait la cela comme étant langue polie.

No big deal mais c'était possible que le moderateur pourrait avoir réprimandé l'auteur. Mais non... rien... silence... Tellement puis, un autre membre de forum a simplement mentionné le mot "sorcière" en tant qu'étant "acceptable" et n'a pas écrit encore le mot auquel l'objection pourrait avoir été prise… et alors plus tard j'ai écrit des "coudes" au lieu de mentionner le domaine plus sensible de l'anatomie de la sorcière.

Ainsi, en conséquence, ici quand vous aviez écrit de l'argot pour se référer à l'iPhone, probablement une traduction de cet argot aurait soulevé le sourcil du modérateur. (ou peut-être pas !)

Je ne sais pas montrer la censure du mot "putain" de la manière que je pourrais dire quelque chose légèrement dérogatoire (ou plaisanterie) au sujet de l'iPhone, comme "the f'g iPhone" ou "le f#@*ing iPhone", get it?

I suppose our self-censorship is stupid because even a nine year old child today knows what is meant by f'g whether it is spelled fully or not.

Anyway we know you were just joking. And impatient for the iPhone! Or any other good news about delivery dates to come from the Expo.

theGAPkid
Sep 28, 2007, 03:56 PM
So... Paris Expo finishes 29th - does this mean it runs tomorrow? or was today the last day???

How I was hoping for something :(

Oh well, you never know! - They may announce it soon :confused::(

carltabet
Sep 28, 2007, 05:51 PM
Yes it does run tomorrow on Saturday.
Nothing interesting was revealed this year, whether hardware or software. We don't even have an official Leopard release date so it's been underwhelming. I hope we get something on the last day.

As for those of us who expected an iPhone announcement for France, well, complete silence on Apple's part. It turns out that our major carrier Orange is refusing to share more than 30% revenue with Apple and the iPhone's release is jeopardized.

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Sep 30, 2007, 12:50 PM
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