27 year old has daddy make legal demands for her - is she spoiled?

[nbs2]

One very special 27 yo is demanding that her "look at the famous person that ate here" picture be removed from the restaurant where is it being displayed. The request, made on her father's official letterhead claims that she, as a private citizen, has not given permission to use her image as an endorsement.

Just wondering why she can't do this for herself? Strikes me as no different than any of the other spoiled brats that have mommy and daddy manage their lives.

Link (http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_268214846.html)
Link to the letter (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0926071ninos1.html)

[PlaceofDis]

perhaps because it'll get the job done faster?
i wouldn't think spoiled in this case at all personally.

[bartelby]

For once I can't see a problem with this.
Remove the names and this is what you end up with:

Dad writes a letter to a restaurant asking for them to remove the photo of his daughter that they did not gain permission to display.



Seem perfectly reasonable to me.

[PlaceofDis]

For once I can't see a problem with this.
Remove the names and this is what you end up with:

Dad writes a letter to a restaurant asking for them to remove the photo of his daughter that they did not gain permission to display.



Seem perfectly reasonable to me.

and lets not forget that its because of her dad that she is 'famous'. i she doesn't really seem to want the fame at all, which is in part why she doesn't want her picture displayed.

[CanadaRAM]

Would I send a letter on my letterhead - or make the call, or sic my lawyer on them) if my 29 year old daughter was aggrieved by some establishment?

D*mn straight I would. She's my daughter, forever.

[Stampyhead]

Wow, she's 27 already? Time sure flies...

[question fear]

Would I send a letter on my letterhead - or make the call, or sic my lawyer on them) if my 29 year old daughter was aggrieved by some establishment?

D*mn straight I would. She's my daughter, forever.

Agreed. Especially given the circumstances...she, on her own, is not famous except by reason of her parents. One of whom is running for public office. Also, let's not forget that "Dad" in this case is a former president as well as a lawyer himself, so it's not that surprising that she'd want to leverage his name/experience. And again, she's not out there being famous in every other context and is singling out this restaurant; she doesn't want the fame, stays out of the public eye, and so she deflected something that would have generated MORE publicity to her father, who lives in the public eye anyway.

Makes total sense. Does not strike me as spoiled so much as publicity shy and private.

[shecky]

Wow, she's 27 already? Time sure flies...

and the time has done well for her too....

http://ps.theport.com/blogs/portblogs/u/s/e/r/userfiles/9/2/0/F/920FC824-5C75-4AD9-860A-C44609379546/images/20061106.0337060.jpg

[rdowns]

Why is this even news?

[raggedjimmi]

There are many reasons why I can't see a problem with this. The most glaringly obvious one to me being perhaps she's shy?

I know adults who can't talk to checkout workers because of this.

[iBlue]

If Bill Clinton was my dad I'd have him sort my affairs out too.

I don't think it's so bad. :confused:

[iKwick7]

If Bill Clinton was my dad I'd have him sort my affairs out too.

I don't think it's so bad. :confused:

Agreed. I really don't see the problem here.

[fuzzwud]

Hey that's not a bad situation. Take down the photo, and put the letter from Bill in the photo frame, and hand that up on the wall.

[jdechko]

Hey that's not a bad situation. Take down the photo, and put the letter from Bill in the photo frame, and hand that up on the wall.

Probably a great idea.

But "Photo removed at the request of the Clinton legal department" would be funny as well.

[ChrisBrightwell]

Just wondering why she can't do this for herself?

It probably has to do with a reasonable expectation of privacy, which she loses ground on both as a "famous" person and as a person posing for the photo.

[Counterfit]

It probably has to do with a reasonable expectation of privacy, which she loses ground on both as a "famous" person and as a person posing for the photo.

Yeah, I'm not sure what she expected when she posed for a photo with the owner(?) of the place.

[nbs2]

It probably has to do with a reasonable expectation of privacy, which she loses ground on both is a "famous" person and as a person posing for the photo.

Except her trying to have it taken down wouldn't affect that.

My problem is that if this had been a certain California socialite, most of us would have expected her to retain her own lawyer. In that case, I would expect the same. Moreover, her father isn't the lawyer - it's her father's office's lawyer. Essentially, it would be the hotel chain's lawyers acting on our socialite's behalf.

Using the office's in-house counsel on behalf of your kid just isn't kosher.

[bartelby]

Yeah, I'm not sure what she expected when she posed for a photo with the owner(?) of the place.

That's irrelevant. If she want the photo removed then the photo should be removed.

The owner of the place should respect her choice!

[Abstract]

If my dad is Bill Clinton, and I'm his 27 year old daughter, I'd sort this out myself.

[Naimfan]

Would I send a letter on my letterhead - or make the call, or sic my lawyer on them) if my 29 year old daughter was aggrieved by some establishment?

D*mn straight I would. She's my daughter, forever.

I agree completely. And I WOULD put it on my firm's letterhead......

[solvs]

If it was me, I'd do it myself, but maybe her Dad's lawyer is her lawyer.

The current pres has done similar things for his Daughters. Don't agree with it, but I understand. It is what it is. And besides, maybe it was his idea not hers. Or she asked and they didn't listen to her, as they aren't now.

So could this be just a case of the savvy Selimaj trying to drum up some publicity for his restaurant?

When asked if he was going to comply with the former president's request, Selimaj told CBS 2 HD's Scott Rapoport: "Not at this time. Unless I'm forced. I'm not gonna go to jail ... (laughter)."

[Proto Media]

I dont think I'd let Clinton handle ANY of my affairs, legal or not...:)

[zap2]

So having not clicked the links...everything seems like a normal event...even finding out Bill is doing it doesn't change the picture

[question fear]

Except her trying to have it taken down wouldn't affect that.

My problem is that if this had been a certain California socialite, most of us would have expected her to retain her own lawyer. In that case, I would expect the same. Moreover, her father isn't the lawyer - it's her father's office's lawyer. Essentially, it would be the hotel chain's lawyers acting on our socialite's behalf.

Using the office's in-house counsel on behalf of your kid just isn't kosher.

Except Chelsea doesn't hold herself out as a socialite. She purposely stays under the radar and barely appears unless she is at an event with her parents. Your example includes someone who retains counsel in part because she exposes herself to these situations. That's not the case here, and I think the intense privacy wanted by Chelsea explains a great deal of this...she does not want any of the trappings of fame, including demanding things being taken down.

[CanadaRAM]

It probably has to do with a reasonable expectation of privacy, which she loses ground on both as a "famous" person and as a person posing for the photo.

I don't agree -- she could certainly argue that she is not a celebrity.

Also, if someone takes a snapshot, that's one thing; the presumption is that it is for their personal use. However, commercial use of a person's image requires consent.

If she signed a model release consenting to the commercial use of her image, then the restaurant is in the clear. If not, the restaurant would have to argue that she was in public AND that she is a sufficiently famous person that her image can be used in reporting of news. She could still argue back that the commercial use of the photo implying endorsement is not permissible without consent, and that their commercial use of the photo is not protected by fair use in the production of news, criticism, education or parody. She'd win. IMO

[imac/cheese]

I dont think I'd let Clinton handle ANY of my affairs, legal or not...:)

He had a hard enough time with his own affair...

[mactastic]

Some people will push any nonsense to try and smear a Clinton...

[Nuc]

I dont think I'd let Clinton handle ANY of my affairs, legal or not...:)
Yeah, I would be afraid someone would turn up dead...

Nuc

[question fear]

Yeah, I would be afraid someone would turn up dead...

Nuc

Was that sarcasm? No one turned up dead from any of Clinton's affairs AFAIK...?

[Spritey]

If someone used a picture of me and the fact that I ate there at some point in time as an excuse to sell $1000 pizzas, I'd sure as hell want the photo taken down as well. (Okay okay, I guess he must give a better reason that Chelsea to sell pizza for a grand)

If the photo was hanging behind the bar, or by the toilets for that matter, I'd be okay with it, but sounds like it's being used in advertising. And that's not okay at all.

[aquajet]

My problem is that if this had been a certain California socialite, most of us would have expected her to retain her own lawyer. In that case, I would expect the same. Moreover, her father isn't the lawyer - it's her father's office's lawyer. Essentially, it would be the hotel chain's lawyers acting on our socialite's behalf.

We don't know the exact circumstances behind this situation leading up to the decision to send the letter demanding removal of the photograph. Furthermore, I don't know how you could possibly compare Clinton to a certain California socialite. Chelsea Clinton has multiple college degrees and has a real job. And she doesn't parade around acting irresponsibly and obnoxiously.

Why exactly do you care so much about this and felt it necessary to create thread?

[solvs]

Why exactly do you care so much about this and felt it necessary to create thread?

Some people will push any nonsense to try and smear a Clinton...
Asked and answered. ;)

[Mord]

My father and I do things for each other 'cause we're like related and stuffs.

[gnasher729]

If my dad is Bill Clinton, and I'm his 27 year old daughter, I'd sort this out myself.

If your dad was Muhammed Ali, and you were his daughter, _then_ you'd sort it out yourself :D

[aquajet]

My father and I do things for each other 'cause we're like related and stuffs.

My father and I live 1300 miles apart from each other. After reading this thread, I've decided to stop calling him because I need to learn to deal with our separation in other ways, rather than wasting his time on the phone four times a week. Also, I should probably tell him to quit calling me when he has a computer question. He's 59 and it's time for him to learn to deal with these problems on his own.

[mac-er]

One very special 27 yo is demanding that her "look at the famous person that ate here" picture be removed from the restaurant where is it being displayed. The request, made on her father's official letterhead claims that she, as a private citizen, has not given permission to use her image as an endorsement.

Just wondering why she can't do this for herself? Strikes me as no different than any of the other spoiled brats that have mommy and daddy manage their lives.

Link (http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_268214846.html)
Link to the letter (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0926071ninos1.html)

Where is the evidence that Chelsea asked this to be done for her?

And, I think that Chelsea is an example of not being spoiled, IMO

[Bern]

For goodness sake! I'm so over these "here today gone tomorrow celebrities". They seem to forget the only thing making them famous is the apparent adoration of the hopelessly inept and the fact they constantly seek the limelight and attention. If it wasn't for these lame fools like this restaurant person who put her picture up because of her "fame" she wouldn't be famous in the first place. Fame makes her public property.

[skunk]

<completely irrelevant rant>I see you completely missed every available point. Congratulations. :rolleyes:

[Sun Baked]

I'd probably frame the letter from daddy and stick that on the wall, along with a reframe on the picture in question to make sure it no longer is use to advertise your restaurant. :p

Simply, this picture = this letter in a single frame.

Some people would be happy to have both her picture and daddy's letterhead.

[John Jacob]

Just wondering why she can't do this for herself? Strikes me as no different than any of the other spoiled brats that have mommy and daddy manage their lives.


A 28 year old MacRumors member, nbs2, needs the MacRumors community to tell him whether random celebrity is spoiled. Just wondering, why can't he figure this out for himself? Is nbs2 spoiled? :confused:

nbs2, Apologies in advance if this came out too sarcastic or caustic. No personal offense intended. But I found it just too funny to resist. :D