Gateways new iMac??? what a joke [Archive]

plinden

Sep 27, 2007, 11:51 AM

Better than their last effort - http://www.gateway.com/programs/profile6/

What's with that web page though? It took about three minutes to load - if you think Flash on OS X is slow, try it on Linux. And you can't tell what the images link to until you click on them, and even then you're not sure what you're being shown. Terrible web design.

chrisdazzo

Sep 27, 2007, 11:52 AM

blatant ripoff (without the stand and thin profile) much? :mad: way to go, gateway.

Naimfan

Sep 27, 2007, 11:54 AM

Better than their last effort - http://www.gateway.com/programs/profile6/

What's with that web page though? It took about three minutes to load - if you think Flash on OS X is slow, try it on Linux.

No kidding--I'm on a cable modem, and it is still counting down.....

Oh, my--better, maybe, but still ghastly!

flopticalcube

Sep 27, 2007, 11:56 AM

For the same money as an iMac ($1500) you get a 1.5GHz CPU and a lower res (1440X900) and smaller (19") monitor. You get an extra Gig of RAM (with a 3G ceiling, Napa?) and slightly more storage (400G vs 320G). Everything else is pretty much the same (no OSX, of course). I like the way it opens up to upgrade the hardrive and access to the components, other than that, meh.

Eidorian

Sep 27, 2007, 11:56 AM

The specs are a little underwhelming but then again it is upgradeable.

For the same money as an iMac ($1500) you get a 1.5GHz CPU and a lower res (1440X800) and smaller (19") monitor. You get an extra Gig of RAM (with a 3G cieling, Napa?) and slighty more storage (400G vs 320G). Everything else is pretty much the same (no OSX, of course). I like the way it opens up to upgrade the hardrive and access to the components, other than that, meh.GMA X3100 = Santa Rosa

OllyW

Sep 27, 2007, 11:57 AM

Not as ugly as I expected but they seem expensive, only 19" monitors too.

wordmunger

Sep 27, 2007, 11:59 AM

My god, that's a slow website. Who ever thought of the idea of a countdown that counts up? How high will it go? When should I give up on waiting?

All that for a computer that looks like... a bad imitation of the iMac. It's just like an iMac except thicker, uglier, and doesn't run Mac Os X.

That mouse sounds utterly unusable. Why would I want a rock for a mouse?

Much Ado

Sep 27, 2007, 12:00 PM

That is one ugly machine.

Incidentally, I saw the new iMacs for the first time at the weekend, and they are just drop dead beautiful, IMO. Maybe that's just because I'm often sat in front of an iMac G5, who knows.

flopticalcube

Sep 27, 2007, 12:01 PM

The specs are a little underwhelming but then again it is upgradeable.

GMA X3100 = Santa Rosa

Didn't see that on the low end. That is particularly underwhelming but at least its Santa Rosa. I wonder if the first gig is soldered on if they advertise a 3G ceiling.

Eidorian

Sep 27, 2007, 12:03 PM

Didn't see that on the low end. That is particularly underwhelming but at least its Santa Rosa. I wonder if the first gig is soldered on if they advertise a 3G ceiling.I'm seeing 2 x 1024 for the 2 GB models. Even if you try to customize it, there aren't any options to pick. :rolleyes:

I'm still waiting for service manuals or any other form of documentation on it.

Pressure

Sep 27, 2007, 12:05 PM

I have 20Mbit/s cable and it still took forever.

Nothing to see, it looks horrible ;)

flopticalcube

Sep 27, 2007, 12:11 PM

I'm seeing 2 x 1024 for the 2 GB models. Even if you try to customize it, there aren't any options to pick. :rolleyes:

I'm still waiting for service manuals or any other form of documentation on it.

And people complain about Apple's lack of options. :eek:

elppa

Sep 27, 2007, 12:12 PM

2.7 MB for the flash animation according to Safari.

I'd guess it was counting up to 100%.

I don't think it looks too bad, but the I/O power bar looks horrible.

Eidorian

Sep 27, 2007, 12:19 PM

And people complain about Apple's lack of options. :eek:PCMag (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2189086,00.asp) says it's upgradeable at least.

HLdan

Sep 27, 2007, 12:24 PM

flopticalcube

Sep 27, 2007, 12:27 PM

LOL, not only is that website slow the whole computer is laughable at best. Those specs suck.
The very next poster that complains even a little bit about the new iMac not being worth what Apple is charging I am pointing them straight to Gateway. Nothing to date trumps the iMac in features, fit and finish. My gosh, the low end iMac has a discreet GPU and bigger screen and is 2Ghz and is $100 cheaper than Gateway.

The low-end Gateway is particularly poor value compared to the iMac. The other two models fair only slightly better. Interesting that Gateway chose the same graphics core as Apple. I wonder if its an MXM card.

gkarris

Sep 27, 2007, 12:35 PM

Is it just me or does it look like an oversized black 5G iPod? (top half without the click-wheel) :eek:

biturbomunkie

Sep 27, 2007, 12:36 PM

it'd probably sell well if they drop the price a bit, though the rosie o donnell-chin is gonna take some time to get used to.

HLdan

Sep 27, 2007, 12:39 PM

it'd probably sell well if they drop the price a bit, though the rosie o donnell-chin is gonna take some time to get used to.

Yeah, that chin is twice the size of the old white iMac. I thought it was called the Jay Leno chin.:D

alljunks

Sep 27, 2007, 01:27 PM

at least..looks better than other models....

good improvment......

BlackMax

Sep 27, 2007, 01:49 PM

The design isn't horrible. Keep in mind Gateway was purchased by Acer a few weeks ago. The top of the line features:

Glossy Screen
ATI® Mobility Radeon HD 2600XT
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo 2.0 GHz T7250 Dual-Core Processor
Integrated 19" Widescreen TFT Active Matrix LCD

If you compare these features at $1799 with the equally priced iMac 24", I think Gateway (Acer) will have a hard time selling these until they lower the price a bit.

I'm also wondering if an ATI® Mobility Radeon HD 2600XT is the fastest GPU anyone can use in an all-in-one PC???

redraidermacman

Sep 27, 2007, 02:01 PM

better effort than anyone else has made to try and compete with the imac....interesting, in the fact that its not just UGLY, still not near as pretty as even the last gen imac, but if you just HAVE to have a pc all-in-one, that would be the one to get...

kuebby

Sep 27, 2007, 03:25 PM

Is it just me or does it look like an oversized black 5G iPod? (top half without the click-wheel) :eek:

I think it looks like an 80's computer, just in black and with a nicer designed ad.

BlakTornado

Sep 27, 2007, 04:24 PM

Wow.

They even gave it a remote too?

Wow. Someone give these guys a brownie point for making the best iMac rip off out there.

netdog

Sep 27, 2007, 04:26 PM

If you have to use a PC at home, it isn't really that bad. Not a great value, but neither is an iMac.

BlakTornado

Sep 27, 2007, 04:28 PM

If you have to use a PC at home, it isn't really that bad. Not a great value, but neither is an iMac.

Take that back :P

I bought my 20" 2.4ghz iMac for £1000 and I think it's GREAT value. Seriously.

I don't care if you it could have had more features or whatever at that price - It's still worth it to me!

Macs aren't for the people who care LOADS about specs :P

psychofreak

Sep 27, 2007, 04:28 PM

If I had to get a PC, and had money to blow, I'd get this one...

badtzmaru

Sep 27, 2007, 04:43 PM

it looks like a perfectly fine computer to me. It seems people want to bash it solely because it "looks" like the iMac. Have any of the critics used it? No.

Dont Hurt Me

Sep 27, 2007, 05:18 PM

Its gpu sucks turds and its got a bigger chin then Sean Penn. New iMac is pretty sweet.

robPOD

Sep 27, 2007, 05:25 PM

Meh ... average

Eidorian

Sep 27, 2007, 05:32 PM

Its gpu sucks turds and its got a bigger chin then Sean Penn. New iMac is pretty sweet.The video card is so much worse, right? :rolleyes:

Dont Hurt Me

Sep 27, 2007, 06:47 PM

The video card is so much worse, right? :rolleyes:My bust I didnt know about the other models with a ....2600xt. very interesting that Gateway could use the xt but the Mac couldnt. The Xt is really a better gaming card by a good margin over the pro. Plus they come with a TV tuner...wait a minute maybe that Mac isnt looking so good:eek:

ClassicBean

Sep 27, 2007, 07:09 PM

bokdol

Sep 27, 2007, 07:11 PM

My bust I didnt know about the other models with a ....2600xt. very interesting that Gateway could use the xt but the Mac couldnt. The Xt is really a better gaming card by a good margin over the pro. Plus they come with a TV tuner...wait a minute maybe that Mac isnt looking so good:eek:

http://www.tuaw.com/2007/08/29/new-imac-video-card-stealth-upgrade-mobility-radeon-hd-2600-xt/

it seems like it is a xt card even though apple calls it a pro card. so maybe the graphics card is the exact same.

bokdol

Sep 27, 2007, 07:13 PM

Is it just me or does it look like an oversized black 5G iPod? (top half without the click-wheel) :eek:

looks more like the 20th aniv. mac

http://lowendmac.com/ppc/tam.shtml

Eidorian

Sep 27, 2007, 07:16 PM

http://www.tuaw.com/2007/08/29/new-imac-video-card-stealth-upgrade-mobility-radeon-hd-2600-xt/

it seems like it is a xt card even though apple calls it a pro card. so maybe the graphics card is the exact same.http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=339616

Dont Hurt Me

Sep 27, 2007, 07:23 PM

It also appears in the specs the memory in the top model is 800 mhz not 667 like the base and middle model. Its screen though is to small for $1799. A 22" would be fine. Interesting though its memory is 800 and its XT is allowed to run at XT speeds. Interesting indeed.

ravenvii

Sep 27, 2007, 07:30 PM

I agree with the above that the site design is horrible and slow, and that the price - features ratio isn't as good as the iMac's. And I certainly agree that the iMac looks better, no question.

But I think you guys are being a bit harsh on the machine's design. I actually like it, and think it's pretty cool. This is as minimal as you can get.

The keyboard, remote and mouse are ugly, though.

(And to someone who said that this includes a remote, therefore it's a ripoff, come on. Including a remote might have been popularized by Apple, but it's one of those things that when one includes it, it's a good thing. Hardly a rip-off IMO)

CRAZYBUBBA

Sep 27, 2007, 07:36 PM

Took 30 seconds using my powerbook (see signiature)

Better than their last effort - http://www.gateway.com/programs/profile6/

What's with that web page though? It took about three minutes to load - if you think Flash on OS X is slow, try it on Linux. And you can't tell what the images link to until you click on them, and even then you're not sure what you're being shown. Terrible web design.

flopticalcube

Sep 27, 2007, 07:38 PM

Speaking as a huge Mac supporter and equally-huge PC basher, I think this is actually decent looking (ducks rotten tomatoes being thrown at head).

Don't get me wrong, I love my iMac and nothing comes close, but this isn't hideous.

That said, it's not that impressive for an all-in-one given that it still has a huge power brick. You would think they'd be able to hide it in that giant Brian Mulroney style chin.

Better than having a Joe Clark chin, eh? Joe who? :D

I think it looks OK. The remote is ugly but Apple's doesn't colour match and the keyboard/mouse on the iMac is somewhat "different" as well. The huge power brick does make me wonder about the heat.

I wish Apple would make the backs removable to upgrade the hd and so forth.

iToaster

Sep 27, 2007, 07:57 PM

Ok, it's not the worst thing... but it sure is close. It really is laughable... 4" more inches than my screen and they can't manage more pixels of space? It really just looks like a photoshopped 5 gen iPod. And WTH does one do with 7 USB ports, hook up everyone on your block's printer?

Eidorian

Sep 27, 2007, 07:59 PM

NEiMac

Sep 27, 2007, 08:10 PM

I kinda like the thing from the side view, way to much chin from the front view in my opinion. Not bad for a PC though. I do think it should be cheaper. Might make a good Linux computer if it didnt have ATI graphics. lol

iDAG

Sep 27, 2007, 09:12 PM

Another POS attempt to copy Apple. They can try all they want but it can't "float" like the iMac and it runs Vista. Good try tho, but still sucks...

HLdan

Sep 27, 2007, 11:08 PM

USB devices are plentiful. The iMac is rather lacking with only 3 ports.

While I would never go for the Gateway One unless a PC is all I could ever have a choice to get I have to say it's not bad looking. Looks like a giant 5th gen iPod.
Now Eidorian, I have to disagree with you. In all fairness the Gateway only has 3 usb ports on the machine just like the iMac but the iMac also has 2 more on the keyboard unlike the Gateway. If you want to use the other USB ports on the Gateway they are on that stupid power brick which sits on the floor, hideous. At least the keyboard usb ports on the iMac are easily accessible.

Eidorian

Sep 27, 2007, 11:34 PM

Now Eidorian, I have to disagree with you. In all fairness the Gateway only has 3 usb ports on the machine just like the iMac but the iMac also has 2 more on the keyboard unlike the Gateway. If you want to use the other USB ports on the Gateway they are on that stupid power brick which sits on the floor, hideous. At least the keyboard usb ports on the iMac are easily accessible.I found it quite strange the remaining USB ports were on the power brick. They'd still be useful for printers and such.

HLdan

Sep 27, 2007, 11:55 PM

I found it quite strange the remaining USB ports were on the power brick. They'd still be useful for printers and such.

I found it quite strange that there's a power brick when the Gateway is much thicker than the iMac. The iMac's power supply is built in.

Eidorian

Sep 27, 2007, 11:57 PM

I found it quite strange that there's a power brick when the Gateway is much thicker than the iMac. The iMac's power supply is built in.I noticed a lot of empty space inside. The internals aren't hair thin like the iMac.

I don't know why the external power supply wouldn't make the machine itself smaller then it is.

AlexisV

Sep 28, 2007, 06:00 AM

it looks like a perfectly fine computer to me. It seems people want to bash it solely because it "looks" like the iMac. Have any of the critics used it? No.

I think the problem is that whilst it looks nice enough, it just isn't quite good enough. It is an obvious iMac copy, but a Windows PC, which is fair enough. Except that if you're going to try that, you have to make it AT LEAST as good as the iMac.

Anything less than that and it will fail. It is all about design with the market it's aimed at and the product it is trying to be. If the design isn't even slightly up to scratch, it's failed. Not because it is a bad machine, but because it exists to be a 'PC' iMac. It's set itself it's own goals and it fails because a) it isn't thin enough b) the chin's too big and c) it doesn't do anything at all better (except upgradeability, but maybe if that's important to the buyer they won't be buying and all in one.

I can't comment on the materials, but they have to top notch too.

HLdan

Sep 28, 2007, 12:31 PM

it looks like a perfectly fine computer to me. It seems people want to bash it solely because it "looks" like the iMac. Have any of the critics used it? No.

You wouldn't say that if it was the iMac with those specs. The boards would be fully of upset if Apple put out the iMac for $1299 U.S with a 1.5 Ghz Core 2 Duo and shared graphics.

Gerg

Sep 28, 2007, 05:12 PM

queshy

Sep 28, 2007, 07:22 PM

haha and people say the iMac's chin looks bad!!!

flopticalcube

Sep 28, 2007, 07:31 PM

Remember, there's a lot of software in the business world that cannot run on a Mac

Not if the Macs are running Windows. ;)

yoyo5280

Sep 28, 2007, 07:33 PM

I would deficiently prefer an iMac on my desk, but if apple never existed I would choose this or some sorta sony.

NEiMac

Sep 28, 2007, 07:34 PM

I have a whole fleet of the old Profiles from Gateway, which I use in a point-of-sale application. This new computer from Gateway would do wonders at replacing those old ones.

Remember, there's a lot of software in the business world that cannot run on a Mac, so this is a good computer for certain uses.

I have a new 24" Aluminum iMac myself, and I wish I could use a bunch of those instead, but that'll never happen.

You can always just put bootcamp and windows on the iMac and run those programs just fine. Which is what I would do if I had programs I needed to run that were windows only I think. Doesn't make much sense economically I know . lol

salamence502

Sep 29, 2007, 09:35 AM

There's One thing stopping it from success. It's running Windows.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b127/salamence502/ONEBSOD.jpg
(btw, I made that quickly in Photoshop)

Dont Hurt Me

Sep 29, 2007, 09:44 AM

Cnet had a good review, iMac came out on top. iMac has faster cpu's so even in gaming its slightly weaker gpu came out on top. Still the one is a nice PC vs the old box sitting next to a monitor. 24" iMac is still at the top of my list for best value.

nice blue screen of death by the way.

shipdestroyer

Sep 29, 2007, 09:58 AM

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u198/shipdestroyer/3mb.png

Wow, a whole 3MB!

cube

Sep 29, 2007, 10:05 AM

Even more form over function than Apple. That fancy slant is terrible.

Jasonbot

Sep 29, 2007, 10:15 AM

Wow, a whole 3MB!

NO COMPROMISE! What so ever!

benfilan

Sep 29, 2007, 10:39 AM

i didnt notice if someone had already mentioned this, but i remember way before the current imac model was announced, one of the mockups for the potential new design was a LOT like this gateway. only it was white. i think i might still have the picture somewhere. :cool:

Tom Sawyer

Sep 29, 2007, 12:27 PM

While it does not hold a candle to the iMac (ALu OR white versions), it certainly looks better than their previous all-in-ones, those things were A#*!

They have been putting out AIO machines for a good while though, at least they believe in the concept and see the benefits. Plus, they still own some of the old Amiga IP so I can't hate on Gateway too much... ;)

Someone once said "Imitation is the highest form of flattery". :apple:

Gerg

Sep 29, 2007, 01:34 PM

You can always just put bootcamp and windows on the iMac and run those programs just fine. Which is what I would do if I had programs I needed to run that were windows only I think. Doesn't make much sense economically I know . lol

Too bad none of the PC solutions on the Mac are 100%. There are other things to take into account, like peripherals, etc., that can't be duplicated yet when running Windows on a Mac. Plus, the Mac is still more expensive.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Macs, but in some instances, there is no choice but to go with a PC. The Profiles are great, they don't take any space like a conventional PC tower & CRT.

flopticalcube

Sep 29, 2007, 01:39 PM

Too bad none of the PC solutions on the Mac are 100%. There are other things to take into account, like peripherals, etc., that can't be duplicated yet when running Windows on a Mac. Plus, the Mac is still more expensive.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Macs, but in some instances, there is no choice but to go with a PC. The Profiles are great, they don't take any space like a conventional PC tower & CRT.

Even with purchasing a copy of Windows, this PC is still more expensive than the equivalent iMac. Furthermore, there is no peripheral this Gateway can take that an iMac running under bootcamp can't either since neither has an expansion slot or free PCI slot leaving only USB and Firewire.

Cloudsurfer

Sep 29, 2007, 01:45 PM

Haha, that's no small chin. Nice effort, but it's still Windows. And Gateway.

DakotaGuy

Sep 29, 2007, 01:47 PM

elppa

Sep 29, 2007, 02:27 PM

The boards would be fully of upset if Apple put out the iMac for $1299 U.S with a 1.5 Ghz Core 2 Duo and shared graphics.

Or if Apple put out something that looked like this.

Leon Kowalski

Sep 29, 2007, 02:39 PM

Even more form over function than Apple. That fancy slant is terrible.
Yep, my thoughts exactly. There doesn't appear to be much (any?) range of adjustment to the tilt-angle -- and that tiny little foot-thingy in the back sure doesn't inspire much confidence in its stability.

Personally, I find the design of the panel itself very clean, simple and attractive (and probably far superior to iMac WRT access/serviceability). However, poor tip-over resistance and/or lack of tilt adjustment would be absolute deal-breakers.

...and external power bricks suck,

LK

Evangelion

Sep 29, 2007, 02:39 PM

flopticalcube

Sep 29, 2007, 02:43 PM

How is that an copy of the iMac? Because it's an all-in-one that is built around LCD-monitor? In that case I could say that the current iMac is a rip-off of IBM NetVista (http://www.buycomputermemory.com/images/ibm_netvista.jpg)

The orginal 128K Mac was the first commercially successful all-in-one. Everything after that is a rip off.

Evangelion

Sep 29, 2007, 04:34 PM

The orginal 128K Mac was the first commercially successful all-in-one. Everything after that is a rip off.

So, I guess Mac Pro is a rip-off of the generic tower-PC? And since when does the success of the product determine whether it's an original design or not? If you want to look at al-in-one computers, I believe IBM 5100 was released n mid-seventies...

Eidorian

Sep 29, 2007, 04:36 PM

So, I guess Mac Pro is a rip-off of the generic tower-PC? And since when does the success of the product determine whether it's an original design or not? If you want to look at al-in-one computers, I believe IBM 5100 was released n mid-seventies...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_5100

svalentine

Sep 29, 2007, 04:44 PM

1 word, Ugly. Modeled after Jay Leno's chin. lol

Evangelion

Sep 29, 2007, 04:53 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_5100

Looks like an all-in-one to me. And like I said, Mac Pro is obviously a knock-off of the tower-PC

mashinhead

Sep 29, 2007, 05:19 PM

blatant ripoff (without the stand and thin profile) much? :mad: way to go, gateway.

First i have to say that this looks nowhere near as good as an imac and more importantly nothing like one. Second and more importantly i don't get this forum. If anyone designs anything that apple makes, computers, mp3 players etc, and i doesn't look like apple, everyone dogs on it an calls it crap. and if they design something that looks like apples, everyone dogs on it and calls it crap. i'm mean seriously, talk about damned if you do and damned if you don't. Whats the point. what would make you happy?

GoodWatch

Sep 29, 2007, 05:20 PM

Not if the Macs are running Windows. ;)

And just why would one do this? We have a fleet of Dell desktops running 24/7 for years. All using the same fine tuned and locked-down image. Deploying Macs would triple our costs without added functionality. Makes no sense what so ever.

flopticalcube

Sep 29, 2007, 05:37 PM

And just why would one do this?

Because Gerg said:
Originally Posted by Gerg
Remember, there's a lot of software in the business world that cannot run on a Mac

Which is, of course, blatantly untrue if you run Windows on your Mac.

We have a fleet of Dell desktops running 24/7 for years. All using the same fine tuned and locked-down image. Deploying Macs would triple our costs without added functionality. Makes no sense what so ever.

Then why would you then even consider running this Gateway? Makes no sense what so ever.

GoodWatch

Sep 29, 2007, 05:52 PM

I think the problem is that whilst it looks nice enough, it just isn't quite good enough. It is an obvious iMac copy, but a Windows PC, which is fair enough. Except that if you're going to try that, you have to make it AT LEAST as good as the iMac.

Anything less than that and it will fail. It is all about design with the market it's aimed at and the product it is trying to be. If the design isn't even slightly up to scratch, it's failed. Not because it is a bad machine, but because it exists to be a 'PC' iMac. It's set itself it's own goals and it fails because a) it isn't thin enough b) the chin's too big and c) it doesn't do anything at all better (except upgradeability, but maybe if that's important to the buyer they won't be buying and all in one.

I can't comment on the materials, but they have to top notch too.

Why? All I’ve been reading on this forum is that PC users are completely ignorant to Macs or other Apple offerings. To a PC user Macs don’t exist. So this Gateway needn’t compete with iMacs. They are on complete different playing fields. It is a PC, not a Mac. It serves a different audience. They are not made for LAN party kiddies or corporate users. Nor are they made for tuners. They are made for the person who wants a stylish PC that can be placed in the living room and can be used for electronic banking, surfing the Net, communicating with (grand)children and doing some photo editing. In my country, the baby boomers are among the wealthiest part of the nation and I can see this group buying this One. It all depends on the after sales service.

flopticalcube

Sep 29, 2007, 06:03 PM

They are made for the person who wants a stylish PC that can be placed in the living room and can be used for electronic banking, surfing the Net, communicating with (grand)children and doing some photo editing.

Sounds like the ideal Mac user to me.

synth3tik

Sep 29, 2007, 06:10 PM

The best looking Gateway I have every seen. Too bad they really really really suck at making computers and stores. Remember "Gateway Country"?

GoodWatch

Sep 29, 2007, 06:11 PM

Because Gerg said:

Which is, of course, blatantly untrue if you run Windows on your Mac.

Then why would you then even consider running this Gateway? Makes no sense what so ever.

Where did I say I would? :confused:

GoodWatch

Sep 29, 2007, 06:14 PM

Sounds like the ideal Mac user to me.

I whish they would be but they are not. Not as long as 99% of the stores carry 99% Windows software. At least in my part of the world.

CRAZYBUBBA

Sep 29, 2007, 06:26 PM

Spot on, i agree completely.

First i have to say that this looks nowhere near as good as an imac and more importantly nothing like one. Second and more importantly i don't get this forum. If anyone designs anything that apple makes, computers, mp3 players etc, and i doesn't look like apple, everyone dogs on it an calls it crap. and if they design something that looks like apples, everyone dogs on it and calls it crap. i'm mean seriously, talk about damned if you do and damned if you don't. Whats the point. what would make you happy?

GoodWatch

Sep 29, 2007, 06:42 PM

The orginal 128K Mac was the first commercially successful all-in-one. Everything after that is a rip off.

No. Commodore PET was. 1977. Everything after that is a rip off ;) ;) ;)

Digital Skunk

Sep 29, 2007, 06:50 PM

First true "all-in-one"

ENIAC in 1946

All in one room :D

86283

HLdan

Sep 29, 2007, 06:51 PM

Too bad none of the PC solutions on the Mac are 100%. There are other things to take into account, like peripherals, etc., that can't be duplicated yet when running Windows on a Mac. Plus, the Mac is still more expensive.

Don't get me wrong, I love my Macs, but in some instances, there is no choice but to go with a PC. The Profiles are great, they don't take any space like a conventional PC tower & CRT.

I'm sorry but if you don't know what you are talking about then you should research before you post. When running Windows under bootcamp the Macs are full fledged Windows PC's and have no issue with peripherals or certain software. Connectivity works perfectly with Windows specific products.

While I don't recommend anyone to buy a Mac just to run Windows because that's just stupid but for purposes while in bootcamp a Mac becomes a Windows PC throughout.

GoodWatch

Sep 29, 2007, 06:52 PM

First true "all-in-one"

ENIAC

All in one room :D

86283

:) :) :) :) All in one building! Those were the days :D A bug really was just that, a bug :)

RevToTheRedline

Sep 30, 2007, 04:44 AM

I saw this article a few days ago on Digg, I immediately broke out laughing. First off the stumpy leg stand sticking out the back, that is never gonna work in the real world... The optical drive placement is horrible, the specs are also horrid for the price point. I wouldn't recommend that to anyone.

gnasher729

Sep 30, 2007, 05:03 AM

Yeah it is an iMac knock-off. It doesn't look too bad for a PC, but doesn't look as good as the iMac. Gateway has been trying to copy the iMac for years. This is by far their best effort to date, but they still have a long ways to go.

I think it would be obvious that this computer will take exactly zero sales away from Apple, for the simple reason that it doesn't run MacOS X. There will always be people who would prefer a Mac but go with the cheapest Dell PC because it is cheaper, but _this_ computer is _not_ cheaper. You pay more for less hardware.

So how will it do in the PC market? I'd say this is a really, really tough sell. The PC market sells on price, and nothing but price. You can put a cheap Dell under your desk and an awful big monitor on the desk for that money. And Apple may be a brand name that people are willing to pay extra money for, but Gateway surely isn't.

Digital Skunk

Sep 30, 2007, 01:28 PM

:) :) :) :) All in one building! Those were the days :D A bug really was just that, a bug :)

Good memory. Isn't that were the term comes from, a bug getting into one of the tubes or circuitry in the thing.

GoodWatch

Sep 30, 2007, 01:43 PM

Good memory. Isn't that were the term comes from, a bug getting into one of the tubes or circuitry in the thing.

WiKi or Google for Grace Hopper. Cool stuff. It's not my memory but I'm old enough to remember batch operations. You would get the result of some of your operations the next day, on large stacks op zebra paper. :D

wizwaz3

Sep 30, 2007, 02:09 PM

I think they did a good job. There is the problem of viewing angle. You can't change it. Other than that and the thickness, I think it's pretty nice. Then again, most people on here are 'chin' haters, so that probably plays a large role. :p

Perfectionist

Sep 30, 2007, 02:15 PM

HLdan

Sep 30, 2007, 06:14 PM

Typical Apple fanboy criticisms ..... :rolleyes:;):p:D

As far as I'm concerned this is a leap forward in PC design which is bound to create competition and will no doubt improve over coming revisions ..... it will sell very well to Home/Consumer users who don't mind paying a premium for style :)

Negatives :
Too expensive = Will get cheaper next time
Low Powered = Will get better next time
Small Screen = Will get bigger next time
No Bluetooth = Will be included next time

Positives :
2 PCI Express slots = Can it be upgraded to the latest Graphics cards ??
2nd Hard Drive bay = So Frikkin Sweet !!
TV Tuner = Kick Ass !!
Media Card Reader = Very welcome !!
Detachable WebCam = If this is battery powered and wireless then it beats a built-in Cam hands down !!
Clever Power Brick = Very nice idea !!

All the negatives can/will be improved/remedied with the next version ..... while all the positives really kick Apple in the nuts ..... hopefully the next iMac will implement some or all of these ideas !! :cool:

Wow you are such a Windows lovin' fanboy you're practically kissing Bill Gates' back side.
Funny how you defend a more expensive machine than the iMac with much lower specs and say, "It will get better"
Then you make up your own functionality of the webcam, you're laughable.

The TV tuner kicks ass?? Huh?? It's unusable outside the U.S. We're paying for something we can't use.
You gave props to a $5.00 media card reader?? Nobody ever uses those. I have friends that are pro photographers that never pull the card out of their cameras.
Then you gave props to the Power Brick?? LOL. Wow, if this doesn't exude Gates lovin-Windows fanboyism nothing does.

flopticalcube

Sep 30, 2007, 06:20 PM

Wow you are such a Windows lovin' fanboy you're practically kissing Bill Gates' back side.
Funny how you defend a more expensive machine than the iMac with much lower specs and say, "It will get better"
Then you make up your own functionality of the webcam, you're laughable.

The TV kicks ass?? Huh?? It's unusable outside the U.S. We're paying for something we can't use.
You gave props to a $5.00 media card reader?? Nobody ever uses those. I have friends that are pro photographers that never pull the card out of their cameras.
Then you gave props to the Power Brick?? LOL. Wow, if this doesn't exude Gates lovin-Windows fanboyism nothing does.

All true. He is right about the card slots and 2nd hard drive bay, though.

By the time the negatives have been addressed, Apple will have moved on, however.

AsylumCam

Sep 30, 2007, 09:02 PM

As for the PC, I dun have too much to say about it, simply looks like an iMac knock off and a poor attempt at that.

However, what is up with that website? OMG! I honestly gave an attempt to find out more about the PC but the SLOW loading site and cryptic graphics that give you worthless information when you click on them, made me give up pretty quick! Gotta say, they certainly should win an award for the most confusing and useless site ever made.

toru173

Sep 30, 2007, 11:16 PM

Why is it that all "all in one" designs are a knockoff of the imac? To me, it's just a logical next step - tower sales decreasing, laptop sales increasing, why not just build a "laptop" for the desktop? One will naturally aim to try to include all of the components into the screen, as that's the only component that cannot be eliminated (unless you build the computer into the keyboard, but that's harder). Granted, the iMac is near the top of it's class as far as design goes but does it mean that everything else is just a knockoff?

srlsy

bousozoku

Sep 30, 2007, 11:16 PM

Mod note:

Keep the discussion on an adult level. If you resort to calling someone fanboy, expect some feedback.

Please report offensive posts with the triangular icon with the ! in it. Posting about the rules are nice but we don't see the problem posts.

Zwhaler

Oct 1, 2007, 10:57 AM

The mouse looks like a large beetle...

Cybergypsy

Oct 1, 2007, 11:07 AM

Not bad :)

BornAgainMac

Oct 1, 2007, 11:53 AM

I want to see Dell answer to the iMac with their own dMac. Instead of a chin, I want it to have a big forehead as big as the Gateway machine's chin. And on the forehead, they can have a place to put all those stickers like "Intel Inside" and "Core 2" and "Designed for Windows Vista". etc.
And since the forehead is so big, I want to see lots of USB ports, memory slots, and various lights and switches.

It would be so funny to see that ship.

Digital Skunk

Oct 1, 2007, 11:57 AM

For my serious comment I will say:

The reason any one would assume that an "all-in-one" computer would be knocking off of Apple is because Apple has done them very successfully for years. Everyone knows of the iMac, they don't know about the lesser known designs by lesser known companies. It's not that Apple did it first at all, they just did it successfully for almost a decade with no major problems or loss of major profits.

This gateway is better than the iMac in regards to design only because it can be upgraded by the user, while the iMac is still pretty much locked in. BUT, the market shows that many users in the consumer market (which this machine is built for) don't care too much about upgrading their graphics cards or any PCI slots of installing a second HDD. The iMac has caught flake from those that wish to upgrade its parts for years but Apple is still selling them rather swiftly. The iMac is the best bargain in Apple's lineup.

The reason many consumers go for PCs rather than Macs is because they want a tower that they can upgrade in the future. The only Mac tower is the Mac Pro for $2400, while the PC industry has a plethora of towers and cases that can be upgraded or built up from scratch. Gateway should really stick to that market since it is what is keeping many from switching from PCs to Macs.

My final ruling... this Gateway One is a nice tester for the PC all-in-one market, and does a better job than the others. It offers more customization than the iMac, but that isn't what all-in-one users really, truly want; especially given the price for the specs. At $1799 I can get the 24" iMac instead of a 19" PC and just deal with the pain of not having two PCI slots I won't use. In other words.... it's gonna be a Palm Foleo, right product at the wrong time.

flopticalcube

Oct 1, 2007, 12:00 PM

In other words.... it's gonna be a Palm Foleo, right product at the wrong time.

ouch! harsh but fair.:)

HLdan

Oct 1, 2007, 07:04 PM

For my serious comment I will say:

Everyone knows of the iMac, they don't know about the lesser known designs by lesser known companies. It's not that Apple did it first at all, they just did it successfully for almost a decade with no major problems or loss of major profits.

Actually Apple did do it first. The original 1984 Macintosh was an All-In-One. The IBM PC was always a separate screen and CPU.

penter

Oct 1, 2007, 07:11 PM

its really silly, IMO. i'd be embarassed to call myself the designer of such a machine. no creativity or innovation whatsoever...

bousozoku

Oct 1, 2007, 07:29 PM

Actually Apple did do it first. The original 1984 Macintosh was an All-In-One. The IBM PC was always a separate screen and CPU.

You really mean that the Commodore PET was the first and the keyboard was even part of it so it was much more an all-in-one. ;)

I don't see what the joke is with this new Gateway computer. It looks just fine and I'd say it's less tacky than the current iMac with its retro cheap electronics look.

It also might be enough to draw people who hate Apple but like the designs.

HLdan

Oct 1, 2007, 08:00 PM

its really silly, IMO. i'd be embarassed to call myself the designer of such a machine. no creativity or innovation whatsoever...

Oh Yeah......Apple should be terribly embarrassed by all that revenue from sales of a machine with no creativity or innovation. :rolleyes:

Eidorian

Oct 1, 2007, 08:05 PM

ouch! harsh but fair.:)For once I agree with Digital Skunk as well.

nakile

Oct 1, 2007, 08:35 PM

Looks? What about reliability?

Our school bought 50 of those Gateway Profile 6 all-in-one systems for the technology department. Out of the 50 units, around ten of them had hardware problems within less than a month. Some had bad video cards, others had bad motherboards.

Really, a failure rate of 1/5? That's just awful. What's even worse is we paid something around $1300 for each unit. You should not have to pay that much for a computer and expect a failure rate of what we had.

The Gateway One better not have quality like that.

Muzzway

Oct 1, 2007, 09:05 PM

Looks strangely like the 20th Anniversary Mac...

wizwaz3

Oct 2, 2007, 01:36 AM

Oh Yeah......Apple should be terribly embarrassed by all that revenue from sales of a machine with no creativity or innovation. :rolleyes:

Dork! He meant the Gateway. :p lol

(Not intended to be rude)

HLdan

Oct 2, 2007, 01:54 AM

Dork! He meant the Gateway. :p lol

(Not intended to be rude)

Oops, I thought the previous poster was following a post I wrote in regards to the original Macintosh. My bad.

Digital Skunk

Oct 2, 2007, 04:38 PM

For once I agree with Digital Skunk as well.

That means a lot to me Eidorian ... thanks :)

Looks strangely like the 20th Anniversary Mac...

I was thinking the same thing.... it looks too much like it.

Dont Hurt Me

Oct 2, 2007, 04:53 PM

psychofreak

Oct 2, 2007, 04:54 PM

in my view and looks better then a few Macs I can think of.Current ones?

Dont Hurt Me

Oct 2, 2007, 05:01 PM

Current ones?No, I really like the iMac looks........come on you new cat im waiting.

HLdan

Oct 2, 2007, 07:00 PM

The One is missing a better cpu, it needs a 2.4 or 2.8. Its GPU is faster then iMacs but windows is windows but it is one of the better looking PCs in my view and looks better then a few Macs I can think of. Its the best looking Gateway ever as far as I know so thats a start.

I think it looks okay too however not for my taste but you can't buy on looks alone, the CPU's on all of them suck for the price that's charged and the entry level one has a sucky GPU. In real world operation the machine has got perform for the money you spend on it.
Imagine how upset the Mac community would be if Apple's $1199 iMac 20" had a 1.5Ghz CPU and shared graphics. :eek:

caseydude

Oct 3, 2007, 05:10 AM

:eek: thta's one ugly set up LOL

sushi

Oct 6, 2007, 07:44 AM

Looks strangely like the 20th Anniversary Mac...
As a TAM owner, I would say not.

That is like saying a Porsche 911 looks like a Honda Civic. Yep, they both have 4 wheels, windows, doors, etc.

Anyhow, the TAM floats in the air with the very unique stand.

I don't see what the joke is with this new Gateway computer. It looks just fine and I'd say it's less tacky than the current iMac with its retro cheap electronics look.
Agree. Personally, I like the design. Much improved from their older All-in-One Profile design.

For those who must use a PC, this is a nice option.