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wfuggle

Sep 27, 2007, 07:19 PM

davidjearly

Sep 27, 2007, 07:24 PM

September 19

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1139814&tstart=645

"Really. And there are no good screens. They are all the same, and this is an intensely subjective conversation now chiefly fueled by emotion. The problem is the curve that the video driver is delivering to the screen. This is a SOFTWARE FIX. I have simulated a fix for any problem photo in Photoshop. There isn't one that I can't make good using the same algorithm in Photoshop. It will be the same for video."

Got a lot of people shouting him down but he was right about it after all :)

I also said the same thing and was shot down.

David

wakerider017

Sep 27, 2007, 07:24 PM

September 19

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1139814&tstart=645

"Really. And there are no good screens. They are all the same, and this is an intensely subjective conversation now chiefly fueled by emotion. The problem is the curve that the video driver is delivering to the screen. This is a SOFTWARE FIX. I have simulated a fix for any problem photo in Photoshop. There isn't one that I can't make good using the same algorithm in Photoshop. It will be the same for video."

Got a lot of people shouting him down but he was right about it after all :)

Lol, that means nothing... He really didn't have any factual info to base his hypothesis. Basically it was just a guess.

Just because someone wins the lottery doesn't mean they "knew" the numbers... It just means they got lucky.

We all get lucky every once and a while.

Cloudane

Sep 27, 2007, 07:26 PM

Eh? How was he right?

One of the last posts in that thread:
SO much for your theory: Apple just admitted that some screens are defective.

Did I miss something?

Edit: Sorry, just seen the news now. Interesting. But I note the word "alleviate" rather than "eliminate"........

Genghis Khan

Sep 27, 2007, 07:42 PM

Lol, that means nothing... He really didn't have any factual info to base his hypothesis. Basically it was just a guess.

Just because someone wins the lottery doesn't mean they "knew" the numbers... It just means they got lucky.

We all get lucky every once and a while.

lucky would've been if he'd said it was a software fix

as he explained what the problem was and how to fix it (or at least a plausible explanation)...he was right, not lucky:apple:

Cloudane

Sep 27, 2007, 08:00 PM

as he explained what the problem was and how to fix it (or at least a plausible explanation)...he was right, not lucky:apple:

My theory sits somewhere in the middle. I think he was right about the *workaround* which I think is what this patch is (saves Apple a lot of money at least!), but not the cause of the problem.

There was a brilliant explanation from an actual LCD engineer in the Apple forums, explaining how it was probably a defective reflective coating within the display. Maybe I'm getting cynical with age, but I'd guess that the hardware fault is still there but it's being compensated for through software (which can detect which the bad screens are through serial numbers or whatever). As long as the end result is exactly the same, I guess it doesn't matter.

uburoibob

Sep 27, 2007, 08:18 PM

California King

Sep 27, 2007, 08:29 PM

Is it true that if you already have no neg black effect to start with (ie a week 38) the firmware makes it worse? (too bright, blacks are now greys) or is that wrong? I'm probably getting a week 38+ from target and I don't know if I should install the update.

parrotheadmjb

Sep 27, 2007, 08:36 PM

man... the crap I took for these threads.

NO BAD SCREENS - All along, it was fixable with firmware.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=356226

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=357320

Bob

then how do you explain the people that still have negative screens after the update, or how my week 36 and my 38 had the same EXACT firmware yet the week 38 shows almost no signs of black negatives?

uburoibob

Sep 27, 2007, 08:38 PM

Eh? How was he right?

One of the last posts in that thread:

Did I miss something?

Edit: Sorry, just seen the news now. Interesting. But I note the word "alleviate" rather than "eliminate"........

You quote was incorrect - Apple never admited there were bad screens, they admitted - via the Walt Mossberg review - that some early ones had issues and they were working on a fix.

It's amazing how gang mentality and a seeming HUGE desire for this to be a hardware problem creates SO MANY MISNOMERS.

It was clear that this was fixable in firm/software.

Bob:rolleyes:

then how do you explain the people that still have negative screens after the update, or how my week 36 and my 38 had the same EXACT firmware yet the week 38 shows almost no signs of black negatives?

Sigh...

I dunno about what people are seeing after the update, or even if their firmware is actually installed. Just can't know without seeing them. In the meantime, seems that the vast majority are seeing it fixed - completely.

Even if these were screens that were prone to showing things darker, and later ones weren't, firmware can know the difference in hardware and prescribe a fix to those that require it.

Bob

parrotheadmjb

Sep 27, 2007, 08:39 PM

You quote was incorrect - Apple never admited there were bad screens, they admitted - via the Walt Mossberg review - that some early ones had issues and they were working on a fix.

It's amazing how gang mentality and a seeming HUGE desire for this to be a hardware problem creates SO MANY MISNOMERS.

It was clear that this was fixable in firm/software.

Bob:rolleyes:

"Also, some early iPod Touch units have had defective screens"

defective = bad

and all you could do is "sigh" at my questions

clevin

Sep 27, 2007, 08:56 PM

whatever you say, I still feel safer with a new, out of box, good device, rather than a update fixed one.

just ask yourself.

uburoibob

Sep 27, 2007, 08:58 PM

"Also, some early iPod Touch units have had defective screens"

defective = bad

and all you could do is "sigh" at my questions

Sorry, I hit send before I finished typing. I guess it would help if Apple talked publicly. In the meantime, the third parties they talk to have to sort of get the message out there...

uburoibob

Sep 27, 2007, 09:55 PM

whatever you say, I still feel safer with a new, out of box, good device, rather than a update fixed one.

just ask yourself.

Whatever you feel best about. Just have to ask yourself if your decision is based on the amazing amount of misinformation presented in these threads...

Bob

clevin

Sep 27, 2007, 09:57 PM

Whatever you feel best about. Just have to ask yourself if your decision is based on the amazing amount of misinformation presented in these threads...

Bob
indeed, unfortunately apple made no effort, as of now, to tell the truth. I would rather a new device, than a one with 50% of chance being a soft fixed defect.

wakerider017

Sep 27, 2007, 10:03 PM

lucky would've been if he'd said it was a software fix

as he explained what the problem was and how to fix it (or at least a plausible explanation)...he was right, not lucky:apple:

Who said his "solution" is correct? We have NO IDEA what apple did to remedy the problem...

uburoibob

Sep 27, 2007, 10:08 PM

Who said his "solution" is correct? We have NO IDEA what apple did to remedy the problem...

Why do we NEED to??? Would you understand if they posted the changed firmware in hex? GEEZ! All I did was illustrate that it was possible to display a perfect image on any screen made in the first two weeks. That's all. The simple LOGIC was that if the screen was CAPABLE of displaying a perfect image, then all that was required was to tweak the screen's settings. DIG? It really isn't rocket science, people. You all have perfectly fine iPod touches. And now they all look the same.

Just outta curiosity, what exactly did the cable repairman do the last time he fixed a problem for you? Replace your cable line, or put an amp/filter in place to make your cable work right. Or whatever service you care to put here.

Bottom line still - firmware fixes screen problem.

End of story.

Bob

wakerider017

Sep 27, 2007, 10:21 PM

Why do we NEED to??? Would you understand if they posted the changed firmware in hex? GEEZ! All I did was illustrate that it was possible to display a perfect image on any screen made in the first two weeks. That's all. The simple LOGIC was that if the screen was CAPABLE of displaying a perfect image, then all that was required was to tweak the screen's settings. DIG? It really isn't rocket science, people. You all have perfectly fine iPod touches. And now they all look the same.

Just outta curiosity, what exactly did the cable repairman do the last time he fixed a problem for you? Replace your cable line, or put an amp/filter in place to make your cable work right. Or whatever service you care to put here.

Bottom line still - firmware fixes screen problem.

End of story.

Bob

Lol, I think you need to take a chill pill Bob.

All I was saying that there was a million people saying, this and that was wrong with the screen.

No big deal that this one person said it was firmware; A million other people had already said the same thing.

TurboSC

Sep 27, 2007, 10:21 PM

Boy I bet that guy is laughing his ass of at all the idiots who told him otherwise.

uburoibob

Sep 27, 2007, 10:56 PM

Boy I bet that guy is laughing his ass of at all the idiots who told him otherwise.

Not laughing my ass off... just a little frustrated with the inhabitants of this forum.

CaptainCaveMann

Sep 27, 2007, 11:57 PM

Can someone with a week 37 touch please post some before and after pics for the love of God! :rolleyes:

RedDragon870503

Sep 28, 2007, 12:38 AM

I have a week 37. Before the update it was very noticeable. Now, less so. I have and have had an appt. with a genius tomorrow. I am going to ask him to display the same test image I have on my iPod Touch (a contrast test which shows a negative even still) on his iPhone. If it does not look the exact same, I will ask for an exchange.

Why the comparison between an iPhone and an ipod Touch?

Steve Jobs said they were the exact same screen on the keynote to release the touch; why should I expect less?

--Wolf--

Sep 28, 2007, 01:03 AM

^ Because you paid less.

Seriously, if you want it to be an iPhone, buy an iPhone. Otherwise, be grateful you got a (potential when hacked, pda) touch screen iPod for much cheaper than a iPhone.

Rapmastac1

Sep 28, 2007, 01:08 AM

I don't see why everyone is making this such a big deal, seriously. If you think it's that and I think it's this, then ok, good for you!

I honestly think it is a hardware problem becuase A. I have the same firmwares and yet it is still better than my wk 37.
B. This software update only allieviates the problem, as you can see it's till there, IE it is just counter balancing for the negative screen. C. If it was a software issue, how did it get so far out there before actually being fixed... Everyone all along said they just need to adjust the contrast (even I did) and guess what, that update, yeah, it pretty much does that, but it doesn't FIX the problem, which is a hardware issue.

I would rather have a week 38 than a half working (screen wise) week 37, why would I settle for less, heck, even if the box looks newer then i want it, cuz that is a week's salary for me.

The comparison with the cable line is a good one, but I don't really see the STRONG connection, as the cable line doesn't really effect overall performance, give or take some. The screen is what you go through the device at all times, if the screen had issues, then what other issues could there be? Was it the graphics chip, was it the AR coating, or was it something deeper? No body knows, and that is the point. Now if you were talking about a monitor and it had banding issues and they put a harmonic balancer (that thing that gets rid of static from ground connections) yeah that will do but it wont' FIX the problem, I would honestly have it FIXED than have it comprimised. That is just my opinion.

But honestly, nobody knows, and it's no one's place to know anyway, think about it, Apple has us in a mystery story and we are chewing each others heads off, what are we going to accomplish by truly finding out what happens? .... We just need to chill and keep this clean! Come on, honestly, what are you, a bunch of six and ten year olds? Or maybe? ;)

RedDragon870503

Sep 28, 2007, 01:13 AM

^ Because you paid less.

Seriously, if you want it to be an iPhone, buy an iPhone. Otherwise, be grateful you got a (potential when hacked, pda) touch screen iPod for much cheaper than a iPhone.

"Best video of any portable device out there; same as the iPhone"

- Steve Jobs

Should I not expect this because the iPod Touch happens to be a less expensive product.

That, my friend, makes no sense...