The PowerMac G5 2GHz Wait...

[MacRumors]

Early adopters of the PowerMac G5 2.0GHz machines may have to wait a little longer... according to ThinkSecret (http://www.thinksecret.com/news/g5shipping2.html).

The inital supply of Dual 2.0GHz G5s is rumored to fulfill education orders first.

Reports of PowerMac 1.6GHz machines reflect a similar trend with early availability found at Stanford and USC. Previous rumors (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/08/20030807143213.shtml), however, claimed that certain corporate customers may have received their PowerMac G5 2.0GHz machines early.

[adamfilip]

Dammit i want my 1.6 now!

:P

[tazznb]

*ahem!*

I'm in education, and they allowed me to order a dualie!

Don't worry; it's only one (accompanied by eMacs.:eek: )

[Mr. Anderson]

Hmmm, I wonder if waiting till the Dual's get to the Apple Stores might not have been a better bet. I'm sure a few will be rolling in when things get going and you might have a better chance of getting one sooner that way.

D

[trianglejuice]

I hope that it's worth waiting...
Maybe it's better for Apple to present their computers to their costumers when they're ready to ship.
(and finally... a rumor without the words "PowerBook" or "15 inch") :)

TriangleJuice.

[joeyjojoe]

well its a good move if they are selling machines to students first. at least the students won't have to opt into something else because of a school deadline.

[ImAlwaysRight]

cool, I'm in education, but we ordered 1 unit for our institution and it says Oct 3 ship date :(

[groovebuster]

I am so happy I didn't order one so far... I would go nuts!:rolleyes:

groovebuster

[mymemory]

Damn it! people are going to get their computer by christmas, no joking:mad:

[brhmac]

C'mon, Apple.

The most anticipated product launch in your history.

Invite people to switch?

Shouldn't you have something to which they can switch?


:mad:

Clearly, "the world's fastest personal computer" doesn't refer to product delivery times!

:rolleyes:

[you]

I work for fedex and Last night I loaded 2 1.6's that were going to the University of Washington

[JtheLemur]

Boo-yah! Ordered day of Keynote, Educational Institution order (for work). Blaow! On Or Before Sep. 2. Still. I ROCK! =D hehehe.

[Baja2k]

It seems it would be very bad business for Apple to accept orders, give an estimated ship date of over 2 months away, then 3 days prior to the estimated ship date, change it all so that the individual buyer ends up waiting alot longer.

I will reserve judgement until 8/29

Just checked my dually and it's still 8/29 .... So we'll see.

Regards,

[zoozx]

Originally posted by Baja2k
It seems it would be very bad business for Apple to accept orders, give an estimated ship date of over 2 months away, then 3 days prior to the estimated ship date, change it all so that the individual buyer ends up waiting alot longer.

I will reserve judgement until 8/29

Just checked my dually and it's still 8/29 .... So we'll see.

Regards,

I AGREE!!!
I ordered mine the first day you could order June 23 and I d a m well better be in the first shipment.
If they bump us for school kids or for any other reasons it would most certainly send a message to Never pre order anything from apple ever again.
Thi business of apple announcing products months before availability with bogus ship dates has got to stop.

[mactastic]

Um... apple's not known for their promptness of delivering new products to market. Don't get to excited until it tells you its shipped!

[yoshi1013]

Originally posted by groovebuster
I am so happy I didn't order one so far... I would go nuts!:rolleyes:

groovebuster

Kinda like what I'm doing now, especially in light of the fact that it says "early adopters" and I was stupid enough to not be in that boat.

[crazedbytheheat]

I ordered mine 6/26 and still have an estimated ship date of this Friday. If it's not going to ship then, I hope Apple has the decency to update the estimated ship date. I've been rabidly avoiding any additional commitments for this weekend so I could get everything set up and ported over from my iMac.

(monitor - check, software - check, spiffy new matching office furniture - check, G5 - G5??)

[mxpiazza]

i am currently typing this from a 1.6 g5 in the easton town center apple store in columbus, ohio. they just got it in today. i am also happy to say that right now i am glad i ordered my dual as an education order, so hopefully it's on schedule (it still says on or before 8/29).... fingers crossed....

[Mudbug]

well, I guess someone has to get theirs first - I'm not suprised edu customers would win out, seeing as they are at a time-sensitive point at the moment with classes starting and all.

[pgwalsh]

I'm sure if Apple had all the parts they'd ship the computers. It's not ok to blame someone else, but I'm sure it's a manufacturing/logistics problem at IBM.

If it's the case latch problem, that would seem silly. they've had plenty of time to make any adjustments.

Certainly don't want them to ship any bad apples.

:p

I was sure I was going to order a PowerMac for my bday on sept 16, but now I'm thinking of 15" PowerBook.

[wondermite]

Yes really--I got my 1.8 yesterday. I'm an Education customer.

My university has received a ship date from Apple of September 12th for the Dual 2GHz machines.

yahoo!

[lem0nayde]

Frankly, I think Apple needs to get it's $&*! together. I don't drop $3500 on a computer every day of the week, and when I do - I don't expect to be told I will get it sometime in October. They should of have been ready to meet initial demand in a more timely manner than they are.

For gods' sake - they don't even have them on display in stores. Are they trying to hide something? The whole thing is beginning to seem a little shady to me. How convenient that noone can review the machines, use the machines or see the machines before they buy them.

Grrr....I love their products, but the overhype, underproduce cycle has got to stop.

Joe

[3-22]

Hmm, I bought mine with the Educational discount for developers. Educational ADC membership. Wonder how that fits in...

Apple still says 9/2... We'll see...

Anyone who got there 1.6/1.8, did anything come in the package about the Panther (next OS X)? Coupon, rebate, a letter laughing at us for ordering so early, anything????

[Vlade]

Originally posted by brhmac
Clearly, "the world's fastest personal computer" doesn't refer to product delivery times!


Why doesn't intel announce their new P4s that will ship next year, and say their faster than apples G5s? Apple did the same thing to intel, announcing a product 2 months in advance

[Trekkie]

professionally I think this is sound business. Fulfill your customers that are going to be repeat business prior to the folks that order one every other year or longer.

Personally i'm bummed :)

[tazznb]

Apple statement:
"The initial supply of dual processor G5s will be allocated primarily to education orders so we can meet back to school deadlines"

Those of us that aren't in education don't understand, but this is a very important issue; We cannot order products at anytime of the year.

Most of the time if they (Board of Education) know something will arrive late they may even block you from making the order in the first place; On top of that the technology coordinators go well out of their way to stop any Apple orders.

I know that waiting sucks, but there's more to it than what meets the eye.

If you think this is such a lousy idea why not come to just about ANY SCHOOL, and see how many Dells are heaped inside the buildings.

Waiting for a witty response from the disgruntled ones who made G5 pre-orders.

[aethier]

My Dual 2.0 BTO radeon 9800 is shipping on or before 10/15/03.... :( such a long time. Well my dad was able to tough it out whe n he ordered his 17inch pb the day it was announced, so i guess i will be able as well..

Aethier

[rjstanford]

Originally posted by pgwalsh
I was sure I was going to order a PowerMac for my bday on sept 16, but now I'm thinking of 15" PowerBook. Are you really that desperate to make sure that whatever you order won't arrive until Christmas? ;)

-Richard

[scottsaunders]

I work in Higher Ed. In southwestern Va. Word is that Va. Tech has ordered 2 million dollars worth of G5s to build a really huge supercluster. Maybe that's one of the Apples Higher Ed's priority sales.

[MattG]

I wonder if this applies at all to those that have ADC memberships? I've got a *student* ADC membership, and I ordered a DP G5. It's due to ship (supposedly) by 9/2.

[Chaszmyr]

My order was placed at 12:25pm pst on June 23. I started placing the order literally moments after the site came back up from updating to include the G5... I want my dual 2ghz machine and I want it to ship on or before 8/29!

I realize sometimes you have to wait, but in the computer industry more than two months is a long time, and to get delayed after more than 2 months certainly isnt the service one should get after spending over $3000 on a computer.

[mkaake]

Originally posted by lem0nayde
Frankly, I think Apple needs to get it's $&*! together. I don't drop $3500 on a computer every day of the week, and when I do - I don't expect to be told I will get it sometime in October. They should of have been ready to meet initial demand in a more timely manner than they are.

For gods' sake - they don't even have them on display in stores. Are they trying to hide something? The whole thing is beginning to seem a little shady to me. How convenient that noone can review the machines, use the machines or see the machines before they buy them.

Grrr....I love their products, but the overhype, underproduce cycle has got to stop.

Joe

and at the same time i remember hearing people scream that apple needed to announce new products because the g4 was getting sooo long in the tooth and if they just knew what was coming, they could at least plan and prepare and be able to stop guessing

blah blah blah

and now people are mad that they told them what was happening, told them it would ship in september, and they're not behind schedule at all...

matt

[pcp_ip]

I'm not going to be happy if my dual doesn't ship on friday

[Titian]

I think it's good that less than 4% of the computers are Apples.
Immagine how much delay Apple would have if they had 20% of the market. :D :D

[SiliconAddict]

Geesh would you like some cheese with that whine?

Seriously. Cut Apple some slack. Even with the best estimates, user surveys of product demand, and a few month lead-time IBM can only churn out so many CPUs at a time, construct so many boxes at a time. Which equals to a finite supply to begin with. What would you have preferred that Jobs had said “sometime this fall”? Everyone would have turned psycho over something like that.
Apple's doing what any business does. Cater to their larger clients first and then to the individual customers second.
They are a business like any other and rule number one if someone shells out hundreds of thousands to possibly millions as someone posted here you kiss massive butt to keep them as a return customer and to keep them happy.

It’s only what? 2 months away? Be patient. 60+/- days isn't that long of a wait. If you've waited how many years for a G5 you should be able to wait a tad longer. Heh at least you guys aren’t stuck in a holding position for a G5 laptop. Talk about torture. :p

[Armsreach]

Hopefully this is true, for vary selfish reasons of course. It sucks to those that ordered early, but the graphics lab here at school has an order in for about 50 dual 2.0 machines, and I would love to get my hands on them. Been rearranging and upgrading machines for the past month to make room for the new machines. Hopefully there will be a huge thumbs up, a flying metal salute and happiness all around very shortly here at my job. But as I've learned, never get the hopes up when Apple is concerned.

[jelloshotsrule]

don't trash me too much... but i just ordered today (i expect to wait, and i don't really mind...). where exactly do you see "ship by date xx"?

just curious.

i see the items listed in the order status and then "5-7 weeks" or "2-3 weeks" or whatever

just wondering where you all get your specific dates.

[MattG]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
don't trash me too much... but i just ordered today (i expect to wait, and i don't really mind...). where exactly do you see "ship by date xx"?

just curious.

i see the items listed in the order status and then "5-7 weeks" or "2-3 weeks" or whatever

just wondering where you all get your specific dates.

If you go to the Apple store, at the top-right of the screen there should be a "Check Order Status" link. Click on it, log in, and click on the "Details" button next to your order. There should be a ship-by date on the order.

[Armsreach]

Having just read through the posts, hasn't anyone interpreted this as those orders going to educational institutions? Not just people using an educational discount.

For example, here's how I read this...

I (hypothetically, I'm broke, remember that) order my dual machine June 23rd with my educational discount, however when I log into the store I log into the section that is ordering for personal use.

Then, the graphics department at the school I attend order loads of these puppies on the 28th, through the educational store, but clicking into the "Institutional use" or however they word it.

I read this as those machines ordered to be used at institutions will recive shipping priority over personal college kids.

Yes, it sucks, but there's a few good points....

A) Colleges usually buy new machines every 6 months to a year. Not replacing whole labes or anything, but buying another 10 machines here, 30 machines there. It's consistent repeat business. Keep these people happy.

B) If the labs are stocked at the beginning of a semester or as close to as possible, then you are exposing more people to the machine than if any of us had it on our desk.

We all knew it would take time, and especially with the demand and various hold-ups some decisions had to be made. If they would have shipped all personal ones first there would be someone out there saying that apple is pissing off their important accounts and not exposing as many people as possible. It's a no-win situation.

Anyways, flame away...

[twentyeight7]

i orderd my g5 on the education discount but not education instutuion does this mean i get it earlier?

[ITMediaCo]

From my past experience, you receive an estimated date once the order has been processed.

[mark_wilkins]

Well, look. There's nothing in that document that implies that Apple's specifically changing the dates for people who ordered early through the Apple Store and have a promised ship date.

Yes, educational institutions obviously have priority (given where things have gone so far.) Yes, resellers are last in line (and remember that note was aimed at explaining to them why they have nothing to sell.)

Still, as of yesterday, an Apple sales support rep whom I called about my "ship on or before 8/29" order indicated emphatically that if there were going to be more than a one or two day delay I'd almost certainly have heard a week or two ago, and that all indications to them are that things are going fine.

Maybe they're deliberately handing out deceptive information, but if they're going to be late on an order with an estimated ship date they'll have to let the cat out of the bag sometime, and time's running out.

-- Mark

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by MattG
If you go to the Apple store, at the top-right of the screen there should be a "Check Order Status" link. Click on it, log in, and click on the "Details" button next to your order. There should be a ship-by date on the order.

guess it's just the fact that the order hasn't processed yet (ordered it maybe 2 hours ago)... as ITMediaCo said

thanks

[MattG]

A post I read on another thread really says it all...it's like Apple's dangling a really big carrot in front of all our faces. While at WWDC they did mention that there are three models of the G5 coming out, the one they really hyped up is the Dual Processor model, and how they'd be shipping in August. Now that they've got everyone's attention (in addition to their credit card numbers), shipping has been delayed.

Come on Apple, give us SOMETHING. The fact that the 15" Powerbook still hasn't been updated is bad enough.

And if one more person tells me to be patient, I'm going to reach right through this monitor and...!!! We've all BEEN patient. Enough is enough! MORE POWER--NOW!

[Armsreach]

Originally posted by MattG
<begin snip>And if one more person tells me to be patient, I'm going to reach right through this monitor and...!!!<END SNIP>

Read a quote at bash.org where a guy said, "Whoever invents a way to reach through a computer monitor and stab the person on the other side" will become a very rich and famous person. Oh so true.

[Baja2k]

First, Trust me....I do understand that big business gets the perks of the big deal. I have worked in IT for 15 years, the first 10 of which were with an enormous company. (Think -- IBM, Motorola, Intel) We got what we wanted and when we wanted it.

The last five or so have been with small fish who don't have the bucks to throw around. The sales folks I talk to these days are pretty desperate though because they don't have the big company as their account. :rolleyes: If they did have a big account I wouldn't get the time of day. :(

All That said, I would expect Apple to relatively honest about the expected ship date when I have placed my order and offered my $5000 to them. I'm not going to explode if it ships within a couple of days of what is expected. However, I will be extremely unhappy if the ship date goes by and I start hearing how they are shipping all over the place and I still don't have mine.

I don't consider it whining to expect what's been offered.

Regards,

[ImAlwaysRight]

This news is quite a switch from the past. When the iMac G4's came out, I ordered one for my edu institution. I ordered right around the announcement, maybe one day later. Then I read of consumers getting their orders before mine when they had ordered 1-2 weeks later than me. I felt I was getting screwed just because I had an EDU discount. I finally just cancelled my order and ordered through Amazon.com because Amazon had STOCK and was offering $200 credit for a future purchase w/computer purchase, and the EDU discount was only $100, so I came out ahead on that deal as I needed to order a monitor through Amazon anyway.

So IF this RUMOR turns out to be true I've been there, done that. It would come full circle if I end up getting my order sooner this time (ordered July 24, expected to ship on or before Oct. 3)

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by rjstanford
Are you really that desperate to make sure that whatever you order won't arrive until Christmas? ;)

-Richard

Gee thanks; that makes be feel even better. :rolleyes: But the delays aren't the decision making factor, but then again that could change.

I imagine that the delays are primarily for desktops, not notebooks, but Apple could surprise me and just delay everything.. I heard they're having issues getting ipods out.

Now that you pushed the right button, I remember not too long ago Apple was praised for their JIT logistics... No warehouse full of orders...Great! Just no products in the hands of computers. Oops!

[ImAlwaysRight]

Originally posted by Armsreach
Read a quote at bash.org where a guy said, "Whoever invents a way to reach through a computer monitor and stab the person on the other side" will become a very rich and famous person. Oh so true.


/ImAlwaysRight steps back from the keyboard...

Oh, come on now, you people just need to learn to be patient... :D :p :D

[apemn88]

Just got a G5 1.6 in...two notes.

1. It is absolutely quiet. We almost could not tell that is was on.

2. Totally beautiful. It is far and away the best looking machine I have ever seen. It actually looks like it is worth 2 grand.

Apemn

[tex210]

If anyone is to survive Dell, they must not fill their warehouses with stock. We as Apple users are going to need to prepare ourselves for a very "build to order" future. Besides, everyone wanted a chance to pre-order a G5, even if it were to ship out much later! So I guess everyone has made it clear to Apple, Don't tell us what is going on with Powerbooks, just keep it under your hat 'til they are on the store shelves.

[jayscheuerle]

Apple announces next big thing.

Appleytes order NBTs by the droves.

First NBTs show up.

Real-world reviews don't live up to Steve's RDF hype of NBT.

NBTs are delayed.

NBT purchasers are frustrated because their overhyped NBT is obsolescing in a warehouse and not in their hands while competitors work on updating their own NBT.

- It's deja vous all over again.... - j

[painandgreed]

Walked into my School's compter store last Friday and bought one. Almost bought one on thurs but wanted to hold out for 1.8G. That lasted less than 24 hrs.

I got it home and installed everything on it and preformed my own bench test. Civ III on a huge map with 16 civs. I'm currently in the Industrial age and the computer civs turns take less time than mine does. Under a minute where on my old G4 it could take up to 10 minutes per turn.

[zoozx]

Great :mad: I'm waiting for my Dual ( And have been for 6 months to do some serious work that needs the power and all of these educational orders are being filled first so some kids can play Quake.
Thanks Apple.

[zoozx]

Also the latest dates for Mac Zone, Macconections and MacWarehouse is the 2 gig Duals won't be recieved by them until the middle of SEPT.
C>R>A>P!!!!!!
:confused:

[Captnroger]

<chuckle> sorry, I have to laugh at this one. I think apple could have avoided this by not starting the 'now shipping' deal. Of course, then we'd be complaining about shipping delays. It's a no-win.

[jelloshotsrule]

ok. so it's been about 5 hours since i placed my order....

dual 2ghz, and a ton of extras (isights, ipods, base station, blank dvds, etc-not all for me)...

and i've already checked the order status like 5 times... granted, the other stuff is shipping today or in the next few days (minus the ipods and g5), but still, i can only imagine that my order checking will hit the 3 or 4 digit mark by the time i actually get the g5 late in october....

[strangelogic]

Now we know what Steve will announce in Paris -> the first 'real' G5 Duals are shipping!

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by strangelogic
Now we know what Steve will announce in Paris -> the first 'real' G5 Duals are shipping! no no no... he'll announce that arrival of the new G6/980 shipping in 2033. Dead people will get their orders first.

[JtheLemur]

SCO Vs. IMB Petition To Stop Laws

...who? =)

[MOM]

Will someone who actually has a G5 post some Photoshop results! I'm tired of reading all the x-bench garbage. Thank you!

[MacPhyle]

Originally posted by pgwalsh
no no no... he'll announce that arrival of the new G6/980 shipping in 2033. Dead people will get their orders first.

lol! That was priceless!

:D

[Genie]

My dualie's still shipping on 8/29, says Apple.

[mark_wilkins]

Well, a guy on Apple's G5 discussion board just indicated that he'd been contacted by Apple and told his dual 2 GHz G5 (ordered at the Apple Store immediately after announcement) was on its way.

[true777]

There are about 30 boxed G5s (1.6 and 1.8) stacked up nicely
in the middle of the Stanford University campus computer store,
ready to be sold.

The FedEx labels on the boxes indicate that they were shipped on 8-18
and arrived at Stanford on 8-19.

They don't have a G5 out on display yet for visitors to play with.

-true

[zac4mac]

Hope they don't take too long.
I was trying to hold out till MWSF, but saw a 1.6 at CompOOSA yesterday and it was all I could do to not lick it. The case, inside and out, is a work of art; easily the most aesthetic Mac ever made. I immediatley sold some Apple stock and ordered a duallie.
As long as it arrives before my birthday in November, I'll be happy(but sooner is always better).

Z

[chorizo]

My school kids and I (hehehe) made an educational order of a 2 Gig dual on June 29 and originally got a "ship by" date of Sept. 2. That was actually reduced to Aug. 29 in late July. They also reduced the price. I check my credit card and the Apple Store order at least twice a day. My kids aren't quite as bad. They just ask me once a day if it's been shipped. So far, no change in the ship date!

I should also say I was ready to order a G4 in June, but I thought there might be an announcement of new models at one of the summer meetings, so I held off. I have to weigh the wait against what I might have done!

[pjhornak]

Yes I like many others are in the same boat....ordered Dual 2.0 from an Apple store in NJ. My G5 pro card has number one on it....I have the magical 29 August date too.... mine was a build to order bluetooth/9800 so if there are a few boxes in sitting in stores I'm not going to get too nuts. But somebody must know something somewhere.. all these things aren't going to blast off all at once. I've been checking ebay... waiting to see if someone is going to try to hawk one for a profit....to date it looks like there are no individuals who actually have the box that are trying to sell...just a few scam artists....Who's ready for this as soon as you get your G5 go buy a 23" HD display... seven ten or thirty days go by.. enough for the return policy time to expire and bang 30" HD display on sale for yeah about the same as the 23" is now....

[ImAlwaysRight]

I just built new G5's at the Apple Store and 1.6 and 1.8 models say 7-10 business days to ship. Dual 2.0 G5 is 4-6 weeks (and supposedly accounts for more than 50% of all preorders). These times have been DRASTICALLY reduced as just yesterday the Apple site said 4-6 weeks for a single and 5-7 weeks for duals. So it seems production has just ramped up and these things will be flying all over the place in the next month.

[strangelogic]

Someone on Apples discussions posts that their 1.8 was scheduled to ship yesterday or today, and they got a notification that the new target ship date is 9/11...

My recent experience with them is that they don't note the delay until it 'happens', then they set a new date.

[Baja2k]

Originally posted by strangelogic
Someone on Apples discussions posts that their 1.8 was scheduled to ship yesterday or today, and they got a notification that the new target ship date is 9/11...

My recent experience with them is that they don't note the delay until it 'happens', then they set a new date.


Seems Like there an awful lot of 8/29er's that would be very unhappy if they get that notice. I mean it seems like everyone who ordered a dualie back in June has a ship date of 8/29. Face it, With that many orders for that date Apple must know already if they are going to make the date or not. The parts are either there and being built or they're not. And If they're not then Apple's not gonna make the date.
I don't pretend to know what Apple's production schedules look like, but I don't think they can build 25k system(s) a day. Unless of course the systems are sitting there almost completely built waiting on CPU's from the supplier....Oh wait the supplier isn't Moto... That can't be it then.

Regards,


Added Plural to 25k System...Should have read 25k systems
And of Course I am one of those who will be mad.

All I want for labor day is my dualie....Whell that and the day off so I can play with it.

[jer2665]

Me and my buddy went to our apple store yesterday to check out the g5's there, they had a 1.6 there to play with. The thing does look incredible. i wasn't quite blown away by the speed or anything on it, though i'm waiting for dual 2.0's in stores and i'll play with one, then buy one.

Anyway, my question is one that was asked earlier in this post. For anyone that has a g5 already, does it have a coupon, or anything in there, like a rebate for panther or anything like that? if there isn't, that's kinda b.s.

[Wonder Boy]

well said. and i bet your buddy is devilishly handsome, too

[jer2665]

ya know, he's suprisingly ugly, dreadfully ugly actually, but i dont hold it against him, he got me into macs, so i guess i can't hold it against him (that post was by my buddy if you didn't guess)

anyway,

Has anyone gotten a g5 and does it have a certificate or what?!

[Genie]

I'm on the phone with Dull, and their Dual 3.06 Xeon can't seem to come close to the price on a new Dual 2.0 G5.

So it makes me feel a little bit better.

Apple threw me a bone to hold my order until (hopefully) it ships in September.

WARNING: Don't order any upgrade parts until you actually SEE the machine working in your house/office.:rolleyes: