1.1.1 Unlock Solution in the works

[Bernie-Mac]

http://www.modmyiphone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7639

I hope this means that they are working on an AppTapp for 1.1.1 too

[aerospace]

soon could be weeks, I'm not getting my hopes up.

wasn't impressed by :apple: 1.1.1 anyway

[megfilmworks]

I think this battle is over. Updates will come faster than the hackers can hack.
These encryptions may be beyond the realm of the hacker in a limited time frame.

[b257177]

I think this battle is over. Updates will come faster than the hackers can hack.
These encryptions may be beyond the realm of the hacker in a limited time frame.

True.. but, being on an unlocked 1.0.2 isn't bad right now.. and when/if 1.1.1 reaches that point, unlocked users can upgrade. When Apple releases the next update (let's call it 2.2.2 for conversation sake), we'll sit happily unlocked on 1.1.1 until 2.2.2 is available for unlocked users. Rinse, repeat.

And, so we dance, at least until AT&T isn't the only game Apple plays in the United States.

[mpuck972]

True.. but, being on an unlocked 1.0.2 isn't bad right now.. and when/if 1.1.1 reaches that point, unlocked users can upgrade. When Apple releases the next update (let's call it 2.2.2 for conversation sake), we'll sit happily unlocked on 1.1.1 until 2.2.2 is available for unlocked users. Rinse, repeat.

And, so we dance, at least until AT&T isn't the only game Apple plays in the United States.

This is the exact same tactic Direct Tv took to try to rid itself of the hacking of the DTV cards some years back. Eventually it got to the point where they started releasing updates hourly. A big company like them could afford it. As expected, the hackers gave up for the most part, and moved onto Dish Network.

[sblasl]

IMHO, I think this is probably more or less wishful thinking, they might have a better understanding of what Apple has done but my gut tells me they are no closer today than when the 1.1.1 update was released.

[bbplayer5]

All Apple has to do is include ichat, and i wouldnt hack my phone. Case closed!!! If a 3rd party team can get chat on the phone in less than a month, apple could have had it at release.

[FSUSem1noles]

I don't see it happening...

I believe Apple is using this update as a buffer, they're working on the next update as of pre-release of 1.1.1, by the time this 1.1.1 update is hacked, if it's ever hacked, Apple will be rolling out the next update..

So

I truely believe they did this to buy themselves time.. so best case scenario is, individuals who want 3rd party apps will always be a version behind, at best..

[GTiPhone]

Why on earth would anyone consider unlocking after what Apple JUST DID??

If you do, then my dog could probably beat you in a spelling contest. Hope that sentence isn't too offensive.

[bdj21ya]

I don't see it happening...

I believe Apple is using this update as a buffer, they're working on the next update as of pre-release of 1.1.1, by the time this 1.1.1 update is hacked, if it's ever hacked, Apple will be rolling out the next update..

So

I truely believe they did this to buy themselves time.. so best case scenario is, individuals who want 3rd party apps will always be a version behind, at best..

Ah, but being one version behind isn't so bad, eh? Especially if this forces Apple to keep coming out with new features to entice users into applying their risky updates.

[FSUSem1noles]

Ah, but being one version behind isn't so bad, eh? Especially if this forces Apple to keep coming out with new features to entice users into applying their risky updates.

I completely agree..

Unfortunately, it doesn't have to necessarily be updates that include features, they could just be security updates, firmware updates, or updates to update the update.. ;)

[shoelessone]

Also, they could require the iPhone be updated to work with iTunes, in which case you'd also have to be a version (or more) behind with iTunes. Or hackers would have to start hacking iTunes as well.

I've decided to wait. I don't care about 3rd party apps, or unlocking the phone, I want the phone sans the phone to use as an mp3 player with camera. Oh well!

[akophone]

Sounds like Sony's PSP vs hackers all over again!

[bragerz]

This is the exact same tactic Direct Tv took to try to rid itself of the hacking of the DTV cards some years back. Eventually it got to the point where they started releasing updates hourly. A big company like them could afford it. As expected, the hackers gave up for the most part, and moved onto Dish Network.

There is a big difference between hacking to **STEAL** service, and hacking to make better use of a piece of equipment you own. The correct parallel to this current battle is Sony PSP vs. the Hackers... A battle the hackers are currently winning!

[Marcjcd]

There is a big difference between hacking to **STEAL** service, and hacking to make better use of a piece of equipment you own. The correct parallel to this current battle is Sony PSP vs. the Hackers... A battle the hackers are currently winning!

Totally agreed! I think MANY on here are confusing two things... hacking the phone to use with a different cellular service (which Apple should block since their contractually obligated to and it costs them money) and hacking the phone for the PHONE OWNER to add programs for their own PERSONAL USE OR ENJOYMENT.

[cgray24]

I dont use hacks, but im hoping some development continues so sooner or later Apple has to release new features that people want to upgrade to rather than stick with older software.

[Bernie-Mac]

Idk...the only thing that made me update was the double-clicking home button for music control, there were so many times i was listening to my iphone on speaker while closing at work and it is now so easy to switch songs (not to mention pause the song when my boss walks by) and its a lot easier to change songs while driving...if they can come up with a apptapp for 1.1.1 i dont see any reason to update ever again

[skunk]

Totally agreed! I think MANY on here are confusing two things... hacking the phone to use with a different cellular service (which Apple should block since their contractually obligated to and it costs them money) and hacking the phone for the PHONE OWNER to add programs for their own PERSONAL USE OR ENJOYMENT.Could Apple have easily blocked one without blocking the other?

[b257177]

Totally agreed! I think MANY on here are confusing two things... hacking the phone to use with a different cellular service (which Apple should block since their contractually obligated to and it costs them money) and hacking the phone for the PHONE OWNER to add programs for their own PERSONAL USE OR ENJOYMENT.

Don't forget, there are specific legal exemptions allowing the hacking of a telephone for the purpose of removing single-netowrk use restrictions, i.e. it is legal to do so.

In fact, carriers will issue you an unlock code for your phone, after being under contract for 90 days they have to, but not even AT&T has an unlock code for the iPhone yet. Recent post by Erica Sudan on the topic (http://www.tuaw.com/2007/09/28/90-days-later/).

So, really, they are one in the same issue... the hacking of the iPhone for my personal enjoyment varying slight from your definition *but* both entirely within the law.

[Cinemagic]

This is the exact same tactic Direct Tv took to try to rid itself of the hacking of the DTV cards some years back. Eventually it got to the point where they started releasing updates hourly. A big company like them could afford it. As expected, the hackers gave up for the most part, and moved onto Dish Network.

The difference is that DirecTV re-programs the HU card without user action. If you had a script that blocked the update, the receiver would stop working. With the iPhone, we have the option to upgrade to new firmware or not to upgrade than the phone will still work. For there to be a change like DiecTV and the HU to be effective, AT&T would have to redo their software to check firmware and reject all except current. This would not be in AT&T's best financial interest. Not to mention customer complaints.

[/dev/toaster]

Totally agreed! I think MANY on here are confusing two things... hacking the phone to use with a different cellular service (which Apple should block since their contractually obligated to and it costs them money) and hacking the phone for the PHONE OWNER to add programs for their own PERSONAL USE OR ENJOYMENT.

I totally agree. I have no problems at all with Apple trying to protect users from moving the phone to other carriers. I do however feel the cellular network in the US needs to be more opened up like Europe. Regardless, I still support Apple in this area.

However, my problem and anger is in them locking out 3rd party developers. I suppose I could see it from Apples point of view for the iPhone, but why the hell did they do it on the iPod touch ? Something doesn't add up there.

Honestly, the pressure is going to come down hard on Apple. Apple has gotten them selves into a very unforgiving cut throat market. By the time the holidays hit, they will not like the numbers they see. The iPhone does what it does very well, but its not enough for most. I know a number of people at work who took the plunge knowing someone would create 3rd party apps for the features they missed. They took the risk and now after Apples response they are regretting it. If Apple is doing this a year from now, do you think people will go after iPhone 2.0 ?

Not a chance.

[tsvb]

All Apple has to do is include ichat, and i wouldnt hack my phone. Case closed!!! If a 3rd party team can get chat on the phone in less than a month, apple could have had it at release.

This is all I want from the iPhone. I'm hoping for an update when leopard comes out.

[twoodcc]

i'm using 1.1.1 right now, and it's not so bad. but i'm hoping that someone hacks it though, cuz i do miss apptapp

[bbplayer5]

Ill use 1.1.1 when its hacked... Period, end of story. I use my iphone all day now that i have stuff to do on it. Its ashame apple didnt allow this from day one.. the phone is just amazing...

Why not allow it, and just put a disclaimer saying that if a 3rd party program ruins your phone, they dont cover it? That way they allow it, but dont warranty it!! Duhhhh apple...

[bdj21ya]

Ill use 1.1.1 when its hacked... Period, end of story. I use my iphone all day now that i have stuff to do on it. Its ashame apple didnt allow this from day one.. the phone is just amazing...

Why not allow it, and just put a disclaimer saying that if a 3rd party program ruins your phone, they dont cover it? That way they allow it, but dont warranty it!! Duhhhh apple...

Because Apple has to prevent unlock programs, 3rd party apps just got caught in the crossfire. Mark my words, if there are going to be 3rd party apps sanctioned at all, they will be by big developers, tightly controlled through Apple. It is LAME, but that's where Steve is taking the company. Apparently did not learn his lesson from Mac vs. IBM.

[mpuck972]

The difference is that DirecTV re-programs the HU card without user action. If you had a script that blocked the update, the receiver would stop working. With the iPhone, we have the option to upgrade to new firmware or not to upgrade than the phone will still work. For there to be a change like DiecTV and the HU to be effective, AT&T would have to redo their software to check firmware and reject all except current. This would not be in AT&T's best financial interest. Not to mention customer complaints.

Remember when they shut down the stream for the H-card? Apple could easily put some software in an update that would check for firmware before allowing connection to the network. I remember following the newsgroups back in the Direct TV days watching everyone go back and forth.

[ddrueckhammer]

Why on earth would anyone consider unlocking after what Apple JUST DID??

If you do, then my dog could probably beat you in a spelling contest. Hope that sentence isn't too offensive.

I unlocked my iPhone after the 1.1.1 update. Personally, I could care less about double tap, downloading from the iTunes store on the go, or video out. Sure the features are nice, but not enough for me to switch from T-mobile to AT&T. AT&T in my area has very spotty coverage, are more expensive, and everyone knows they have bottom of the barrel customer service.

I considered a Touch but decided against it because they put those awful chrome backs on them (what are they thinking making the new Nanos and Touches scratch magnets?), they are having screen issues, and mainly because I wanted all the extra features of the iPhone which, to these hands, feels like a much more substantial product.

My iPhone is working perfectly well with edge ($5.99) per month and everything. It is quite easy to turn off auto-updates in iTunes. If you think about it, have you ever cared about software updates for your past cell phones? Probably not. The updates are nice, but I don't see anything worth switching for me.

I'm confident that the mod community will unlock future updates and if they don't, I don't really care. As far as warranty goes, well I'll admit I'm taking a risk but hopefully there will be a way to revert back to factory eventually. I'm glad I only payed $350 for a refurb instead of $600 at launch though.

I am admittedly an Apple fanboy, but I don't understand those saying that it is wrong to unlock iPhones. To my knowlege the DMCA exception makes it legal to unlock cell phones. I didn't sign any contract or agree to any EULA before unlocking my phone. I put the phone in restore mode, updated the firmware to 1.0.2, and then used iNdependence (third party software) to activate. Thus, bypassing AT&T altogether. As far as modifying the firmware on the iPhone is concerned, people modify their personal copies of OS X and Windows all the time (some going so far to even change the kernel).

BTW, you are probably right, I'm an Engineer, not a Writer, so your dog might be able to out spell me.

[vega07]

There is a big difference between hacking to **STEAL** service, and hacking to make better use of a piece of equipment you own. The correct parallel to this current battle is Sony PSP vs. the Hackers... A battle the hackers are currently winning!

I don't consider third party apps for the iphone "hacks" at all. they're more like a lesser form of modification.

[b257177]

I don't consider third party apps for the iphone "hacks" at all. they're more like a lesser form of modification.

I agree... and they should be supported, er, allowed. However, the method to get the file system to a state where the App's can be installed, at least for now, is a hack... a beautiful one at that, don't get me wrong. Additionally, one would have to consider the unlocking method(s) a hack.

The recurring and perhaps key point being that the activity is not illegal... perhaps in violation of the Apple user agreement, which one would expect to result in termination of warranty and support, but definitely not illegal. The unlocking is even specifically allowed for by law, in the DMCA.

[madmaxmedia]

Conceivably, yes Apple could roll out an iTunes update that prevented iPhones with old firmware to sync/connect. But then people would simply not update their iTunes as well.

But I doubt Apple would go to such lengths. It's simply not kosher IMO to stop someone's phone from functioning simply because they didn't upgrade the firmware. Especially if there are people out there on the road or whatever that can't conveniently update their phones, and then get locked out of using them, etc. It would start to feel like product activation for a HARDWARE product, believe it or not!

I think Apple will use the carrot approach instead. Each update they will dole out some little goodies (like the wifi store) to pull people into updating. Most people will update, thus ensuring the majority of the user base has locked phones.

To do anything to inconvenience regular users to 'trap' the small minority of users with unlocked phones, is simply not good business sense for Apple. The 1.1.1 update already created a lot of attention regarding bricking, imagine if the next update was REQUIRED- you'd see a real uproar then...

[jb510]

Personal prediction based on nothing but my gut is that the way back in will come when Apple will starts selling authorized third party apps through the iTunes Store... which again just based on my gut will come very soon.

Of course those apps won't include anything like AnySIM or iToner... nothing that would cut into their profits. It will be things like ToDoList... etc...

However, this will be wonderful news though because the framework to allow authorized 3rd part apps in will be even more easily hacked and un-authorized third party apps will have a path back in that almost looks legit. I suspect there will be some sort of digital signing built in to try to exclude unauthorized apps from getting in, but someone will hack it... Once there is a legit tunnel in people will figure out a way to get down it.

[firstapple]

Well it looks like on the iphone dev team's website they are getting closer to being able to at least unlock 1.1.1... It is now yellow on the status timeline instead of red (has been like this for a couple days actually). From what I got out of all the techy jargon was that they are testing their ideas now to see if unlocking is working or not. So you all may see an unlocking idea in the next few days.

[sblasl]

And world peace is right around the corner as well.:rolleyes:

I don't think it is going to happen.

Well it looks like on the iphone dev team's website they are getting closer to being able to at least unlock 1.1.1...

[madmaxmedia]

And world peace is right around the corner as well.:rolleyes:

I don't think it is going to happen.

It's really impossible to predict, other than saying almost everything is hackable given enough time.

The iPhone dev team are basically exploring avenues. Most will be dead ends, but most likely eventually one will lead to an exploit and allow jailbreaking and/or unlocking.