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MacRumors
Aug 27, 2003, 08:16 AM
AppleInsider (http://www.appleinsider.com/news_bytes.php) posts a screenshot of Safari with an alternate interface -- no metal, but using a Panther-based Aqua theme. The version is "from an unknown origin".



Chaszmyr
Aug 27, 2003, 08:22 AM
Horrible. I like the brushed metal much better

AppleMatt
Aug 27, 2003, 08:38 AM
That's nasty. I wonder if it's real, I suppose seeing if Apple legal remove it will tell us.

Actually I doubt it is, how would those bookmarks work? Are they like super-bookmarks? Plus Safari is about one of the only applications that follows Apple's HID for metal.

I'm on Jag at the moment but I'm sure Panther's Safari is above v94.

AppleMatt

moosecat
Aug 27, 2003, 08:41 AM
Well, I don't know if it's been removed or if I'm just an idiot, but I don't see it. (Top story is about the Panther icons.)

AppleMatt
Aug 27, 2003, 08:46 AM
Here's a shot incase it's gone.

AppleMatt

syrreg
Aug 27, 2003, 08:47 AM
http://www.unsanity.com/haxies/metallifizer/

Just install it for free from Unsanity and you can make any Aqua app use Metallic windows and vice versa.

Hoodwinked again by the so-called "Appleinsider"?

synthetickittie
Aug 27, 2003, 08:50 AM
Originally posted by syrreg
http://www.unsanity.com/haxies/metallifizer/

Just install it for free from Unsanity and you can make any Aqua app use Metallic windows and vice versa.

Hoodwinked again by the so-called "Appleinsider"?

the only thing different in that picture of safari is not only that is aqua themed but the tabs have changed into the way they are in some panther menus and I dont believe that hack would do that as well.

TylerL
Aug 27, 2003, 08:54 AM
The difference between this and a simple .nib file mod is the tabs.
Safari always used its own code for tabs, but this picture shows Safari using the standard Panther set of tabs.
That in itself is either good photoshop or some crazy InterfaceBuilder action.

EDIT: Bah. I get distracted, and someone beats me to my own answer...

howard
Aug 27, 2003, 08:56 AM
i actually really like the look of that new interface, i hope it happens.

you know what apple should do is make like and on off switch for each application for changing form aqua to metal...then people could pick and choose. theres seems to be a ridiculous amout of criticism for both.

cubist
Aug 27, 2003, 09:03 AM
I like how they say it may be a "cleaver hack". No little paring knife was used here!

gotohamish
Aug 27, 2003, 09:04 AM
Originally posted by Macrumors
AppleInsider (http://www.appleinsider.com/news_bytes.php) posts a screenshot of Safari with an alternate interface -- no metal, but using a Panther-based Aqua theme. The version is "from an unknown origin".

THIS IS WHY IT'S FAKE

Because when Apple introduced Tabs in Safari they said how it was different from the rest because the tabs went from left to right - intelligently. IE, not from the middle out like Netscape. This pics shows middle out, so must be wrong.
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Kid Red
Aug 27, 2003, 09:14 AM
Fake. The last released version does not look like that. Also, note the title bar stepping down on the buttons? That was an effect from the metallifizer hack because Apple didn't create the window with a title bar in mind so the space is limited. So why would Apple redesign the tabs but not add a few pixels above the buttons? Simple. Because this is a fake.

pyrotoaster
Aug 27, 2003, 09:19 AM
This has got to be fake. It's probably just a screen shot from someone who flipped their Safari interface to Aqua and is also running Panther (or it's Photoshopped).

Just to clear up the whole "tab" thing: All tabs in Panther (Safari being the exception) look like "button tabs".

iEric
Aug 27, 2003, 09:21 AM
I think its pretty cool. OS X was meant to be aqua, not metal. but it wont match with the g5 casing now...oh well.

blogo
Aug 27, 2003, 09:29 AM
Also, how are you supposed to close the tabs (without keyboard shortcuts)? I think its very bad GUI work and nothing Apple would ever allow.

Tim Flynn
Aug 27, 2003, 09:29 AM
This should be relatively easy to do with Xcode and Panther. It should also work.
This is only a screen shot, so ...

Powerbook G5
Aug 27, 2003, 09:49 AM
I prefer metal, myself. I agree that if there were some sort of "appearance theme"control allowing the user to switch from aqua/metal, it would be ideal. It seems that people either really love metal or really hate it. I just happen to be one of those who love it.

nagromme
Aug 27, 2003, 09:55 AM
The toolbar buttons hit the title bar. The new "tabs" have an ugly grey space beneath them, and lots of wasted space above them.

But I suppose Apple could make such a monster internally just to play with rough ideas.

Kid Red
Aug 27, 2003, 11:13 AM
Fake.

Sol
Aug 27, 2003, 11:25 AM
Have you noticed the search field on the top-right? It looks like you will be able to select the search engine just like the latest iCab. It is propably a fake but that is one feature from iCab I would like to see implemented in all the major browsers.

soosy
Aug 27, 2003, 11:34 AM
This revives my hope for themes in Panther.

Safari metal is fine.

Finder metal is not.

m,tz206
Aug 27, 2003, 11:54 AM
This must be a fake - why would Apple put Microsoft as the first Tab?!?

rogueimage
Aug 27, 2003, 12:01 PM
Originally posted by Sol
Have you noticed the search field on the top-right? It looks like you will be able to select the search engine just like the latest iCab. It is propably a fake but that is one feature from iCab I would like to see implemented in all the major browsers.

It looks exactly like the current Google search field. The popup menu lists previous searches, not other search engines.

As has been noted, the tabs have no close button. They can't possibly be real. I didn't know Apple's position on tab starting from the middle (thanks gotohamish), but I agree that tabs should start from the left, and this is another reason it can't be real.

Juventuz
Aug 27, 2003, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by syrreg
http://www.unsanity.com/haxies/metallifizer/

Just install it for free from Unsanity and you can make any Aqua app use Metallic windows and vice versa.

Hoodwinked again by the so-called "Appleinsider"?

Only problem is that Metallifizer doesn't work in Panther, at least not yet.

macfreak
Aug 27, 2003, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by Macrumors
AppleInsider (http://www.appleinsider.com/news_bytes.php) posts a screenshot of Safari with an alternate interface -- no metal, but using a Panther-based Aqua theme. The version is "from an unknown origin".

Icky! What did they do to Safari?! Once again, the result of trying to "improve" it. Why didn't they just keep the brushed metal look? Brushed metal fits with their other iApps. :confused:

Wonder Boy
Aug 27, 2003, 12:59 PM
I hope it's real. I hate metal.

vniow
Aug 27, 2003, 12:59 PM
Oooh, pretty.

LimeLite
Aug 27, 2003, 01:24 PM
There's one more issue with this potential fake that hasn't been brought up yet. Maybe this comes about in a newer version, but as far as I know, the Safari window does not have any left and right edges. On the left, the window just ends, and on the right, there is only the scroll bar. However, in the image posted, there is obviously an actual edge to the Safari window, even on the scroll bar side, which I don't think Apple would do, because it's wasting window space with nothingness.

panphage
Aug 27, 2003, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by m,tz206
This must be a fake - why would Apple put Microsoft as the first Tab?!?

Apple didn't put anything as the first tab. Whoever took or made the screen shot has MS's webpage open in the first tab. Those tabs are open windows, not some apple-installed "superbookmark". My safari has four tabs open right now, this forum, a website I'm designing, hotmail, and an article I wanted to read. That picture also has four tabs open, Microsoft, Apple, CNN, and Slashdot.

Personally, I think that style of tab looks pretty cool. But they need a close button. That's one of the great things about Safari, it did tabs really really well.

BillyShears
Aug 27, 2003, 06:24 PM
This is a crappy Interface Builder hack.

Here's an earlier one from Spymac Gallery Safari with Aqua Tabs (http://www.spymac.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=21216&papass=&sort=1&thecat=998)

Very easy to accomplish, you just delete the space where the "Safari tabs" are, click on the HTML viewing area and add tabs to it.

You can also make it "completely" aqua by clicking off "Textured Window."

It also looks like they made border around the window, as others have noted.

Furthermore, the BACK, FORWARD, RELOAD, BOOKMARK buttons are still with the dark metal edge they come with by default.

This is a very cheap hack, indeed.

If anyone wants this (properly done) I can send them a modded .nib file. Should work on both Panther and Jaguar. Someone could also mod the images to look proper with aqua, and we'd have a very nice look to Safari.

BenRoethig
Aug 27, 2003, 07:49 PM
Personally, I would like to see Apple give the option of either Aqua or Brushed Metal.

Panther
Aug 27, 2003, 08:58 PM
I had an app I submitted for the Apple Design Awards that let you browse through web comics.

At WWDC I bumped into John Geleynsie who is one of Apple evangelists, and go to guy for UI related issues... and who was one of the judges.

His comment on my app was "we really liked it... but it used metal". "That doesn't seem fair," I replied "cos I made it look and feel like Safari, and thats metal". His response was that "Safari will probably change in Panther and not be metal"

So I suspect this is for real.

As for the tabs now being in the center, that is because it looks like they made it use the standard tab control, which now presents that centered strip of buttons. You see the same thing in Camino if you run on Panther.

The reason Safari had its own tabs before is because the old blue/white tabs look pretty nasty on a metal background...

gandalf55
Aug 27, 2003, 09:16 PM
i like it - but where are the little close tab buttons?!?!?

johnnowak
Aug 28, 2003, 12:10 AM
Originally posted by gandalf55
i like it - but where are the little close tab buttons?!?!?

You're not going to need them with the new two-button mice.

deejemon
Aug 28, 2003, 08:34 AM
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BillyShears
Aug 28, 2003, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by deejemon
Switching Safari from Brushed to Aqua and running it on Panther to get the revised Aqua widgets would not remove the (X) close buttons on the open tabs.

When you edit the .nib file, you remove the Safari tabs completely, then add in the default cocoa tabs.

Which to me says it's probably a fake created by Photoshopping the toolbar of a Metalifizered Safari 1.0 with the tab bar and below of Camino. Since Camino is Cocoa and uses Aqua widgets, it automatically inherits the new "switcher" widgets which replace tabs throughout the system. The status bar along the bottom looks pure Camino, with the status bar text and globe icon removed.

Yep, what we have here is Safarimino by means of pixel pushing, not code crunching.

But look on the left and right sides... there is extra space there, too, which doesn't exist in Safari. Also of note is that apparently the de-metalizing APE doesn't work in Panther as of yet. So in order to make Safari aqua, they'd have to have Interface Builder and edit the .nib file... in which case they may as well quickly add tabs in, rather than Camino/Photoshop work.

Disonince1979
Aug 28, 2003, 05:53 PM
But it is a fake, I have had every build, and have never seen safari look like that. Here is 7b49's safari.

j33pd0g
Aug 29, 2003, 12:02 AM
I hope this is fake. I like the tabs, but am not a big fan of all the space that is lost on the left and right side. I like my scroll bars close to the edge.

mac15
Aug 29, 2003, 03:31 AM
but its not a freaking iapp, personally I love the new tabs and I hope they keep them!

rainman::|:|
Aug 30, 2003, 02:05 AM
fake. apple only wastes that much window-edge real estate on iApps. On safari, the webpage would fill screen entirely. It's just part of Apple's design.

pnw

scem0
Aug 30, 2003, 03:46 AM
I think its fake but I wish it wasn't.

Brushed metal == poo IMO.

if(safari == brushed metal)
{ scem0 = annoyed}

scem0

rickvanr
Aug 30, 2003, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by soosy
This revives my hope for themes in Panther.

Safari metal is fine.

Finder metal is not.

amen. metal is ugly

rainman::|:|
Aug 30, 2003, 05:16 PM
agreed, i like brushed metal on things like iTunes and iCal, but Safari just doesn't look nice... it needs it's own separate look, apart from Aqua and brushed metal...

pnw

Snowy_River
Aug 31, 2003, 02:26 AM
I think this is pretty obviously a fake.

I, for one, am glad of that for a couple of reasons.

First, the logic of having the tabs start at the left get added to the right is a hard one to argue with. When I was using Camino, before I switched to Safari, I thought this was a silly argument. But now, having worked with Safari for a while I really wouldn't want to go back. (The one thing that's been missing in all implementations of Tabbed browsing that I've used, including Safari's, is the ability to rearrange the order of the tabs. Anyone know if that might be available in v1.1?)

Second, as has already been noted several times, this screen shot has eliminated the close X on the tabs. That's a killer right there. And, as to the argument that it doesn't matter because there will be a new two button mouse, I'd say that it still matters, as it's the difference between click and click-drag-click, which is enough to get very annoying.

Finally, there is the issue of wasted screen realestate. When viewing web pages I'm sure that Apple is aware that people want to make the most out of their screen space. The wasted space around the edges of the window in this mock-up is just that: wasted space.

Simply, it's fake.

e-coli
Aug 31, 2003, 07:55 PM
Panther's new Aqua theme looks just like Windows XP.

jabester10280
Sep 1, 2003, 12:25 AM
I run Panther 7B49 wich has Safari 1.1 (v94). It is indeed fake unless it is made with a Safari Enhancer or it is in the final version of Panther. But that is doubtful that it is. And there are no rearangable tabs.



-Jabe

jabester10280
Sep 1, 2003, 12:39 AM
UPDATE: If you want just an Aqua look on your Safari go here


http://download.com.com/3000-2234-10210380.html?tag=lst-0-3

fluffy
Sep 4, 2003, 03:15 PM
SafarIcon (http://homepage.mac.com/reinholdpenner) lets you switch Safari to Aqua, and also lets you change the navigation button icons.

Then with Duality (http://conundrumsoft.com/) it's trivial to switch everything to a Panther theme. So that might not even be a Panther system (there've been a number of Panther themes out for Duality ever since the original Panther screenshots went up on Apple's site).

notech
Sep 9, 2003, 05:21 PM
I just saw this linked from the message boards of Camino. Looks like someone else is confirming this change:

http://www.jasperhauser.nl/camino/bla/tabs/

I'm not really entirely sure if it means anything, but I saw the old and new GUI pictures and wonder if it can be the real thing.

soosy
Sep 9, 2003, 10:13 PM
Interesting page but it doesn't really confirm anything.

It discusses how Apple changed the system tabs and how it affects Camino which uses system tabs.

Safari uses it's own custom tabs. Whether or not they changed the custom tabs to look different or to use the system tabs is still in question.

Flynnstone
Sep 9, 2003, 10:26 PM
With xCode and Panther anyone can make their own rudimentary "Safari" !

Snowy_River
Sep 9, 2003, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by soosy
Interesting page but it doesn't really confirm anything.

It discusses how Apple changed the system tabs and how it affects Camino which uses system tabs.

Safari uses it's own custom tabs. Whether or not they changed the custom tabs to look different or to use the system tabs is still in question.

Indeed, interestingly, the link is talking about the possibility that Camino will go to using a custom tab, rather than the system tabs. One of the things mentioned as a benefit of doing this is one of the features that I most want to see added to tabbed browsing: rearrangeable tabs. If Camino got that before Safari, I might have to switch back to Camino...