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Mac Enroe
Sep 30, 2007, 06:55 PM
I´m thinking about ordering the new LCD Dell™ UltraSharp™ 2407WFP-HC for motion and graphic design? I´ll use it for now on my laptop while I wait for the Mac Pro update and then plug it into the real momma.

Thanks for your opinion!:)



Sweetfeld28
Oct 1, 2007, 09:57 AM
I would say yes to that question. But i would calibrate it once you get it, so you are looking at better representation of the colors you would be working with.


Thats what i did to my Cinema Display. I noticed a big difference.

TBi
Oct 1, 2007, 10:00 AM
(Waits for all the apple fanboi's to descend on this thread to preach that the apple cinema displays are the "Best Displays Evar" and how Dell makes "Da crappiest displays in da world".)

I'd say it would be a very good screen for your work, just make sure you calibrate it as the above poster said!

Blue Velvet
Oct 1, 2007, 10:03 AM
I use a Dell monitor at home at the moment for print design, but my next monitor within the next couple of months will probably be the BenQ FP241W. The reviews have been outstanding and I'm fed up with waiting for Apple to release new ACDs.

Sweetfeld28
Oct 1, 2007, 10:47 AM
(Waits for all the apple fanboi's to descend on this thread to preach that the apple cinema displays are the "Best Displays Evar" and how Dell makes "Da crappiest displays in da world".)

I'd say it would be a very good screen for your work, just make sure you calibrate it as the above poster said!


You do realize that Dell monitors do actually use the same screens right?
There is no difference in either of those except A: price, and B: ports on the displays themselves.

Don't get me wrong, I am using a 24" Dell right now at work; for design.

TBi
Oct 1, 2007, 10:53 AM
You do realize that Dell monitors do actually use the same screens right?

Well don't get me wrong, i'm all for dell or apple screens. I just hate people who say apple is god and dell is crap.

Direct your anger at people who blindly think apple is the best, not me!

Although, then again, the dell 24" and the apple 23" don't use the same panel.

notjustjay
Oct 1, 2007, 10:55 AM
Of course Apple! Always pick Apple! Apple makes hands-down the best displays ever! Dell, on the other hand, makes the crappiest displays in the world -- Steve Jobs himself even said "they buy the panels that we reject!" Get the Apple -- at ANY price! Apple is like God and Dell is... well, Dell is crap!


... just kidding, of course. ;) I haven't checked, but in all likelihood it IS the same panel underneath the plastic or metal enclosure. (Edit: oops, right, 23" and 24" obviously not the same exact panel. But probably the same factory...)

I use a 20" Dell at home (well, I did until I got the 20" iMac) and if I was looking at a 24" panel the Dell 2407 is definitely on my list of screens to check out.

What it boils down to, assuming you calibrate both panels correctly, is aesthetic appearance. Personally I'm not willing to pay almost twice the price just for a fashion statement. Keep in mind the Dell includes a selection of video inputs too, including s-video and composite, with Picture-in-picture functions and whatnot. If that's useful to you...

TBi
Oct 1, 2007, 10:57 AM
(Edit: oops, right, 23" and 24" obviously not the same exact panel. But probably the same factory...)

That didn't click with me for a while either :D, i slapped* myself when i realised it!

*I didn't actually physically slap myself as that would be strange...

Sweetfeld28
Oct 1, 2007, 11:00 AM
I'm not angry, i'm saying they have a similarity.

TBi
Oct 1, 2007, 11:03 AM
I'm not angry, i'm saying they have a similarity.

Ok, i agree with you :)

jerryrock
Oct 4, 2007, 12:34 PM
You do realize that Dell monitors do actually use the same screens right?
There is no difference in either of those except A: price, and B: ports on the displays themselves.

Don't get me wrong, I am using a 24" Dell right now at work; for design.

Wrong....the Dell display uses a S-PVA panel while the Apple Cinema Displays are S-IPS panels.

faustfire
Oct 4, 2007, 02:51 PM
I use a dell 24 at home and apple 20 and 23s at work. IMO, my dell at home is much more even brightness wise. ACDs seem to have a lot of falloff at the edges.

iBeard
Oct 4, 2007, 04:49 PM
I have a 2407WFP-HC, and use it on my editing/design rig. Its really a great monitor.

Sweetfeld28
Oct 5, 2007, 07:14 AM
Ok so maybe they were the same displays back with the 20". According to this article which compares them both, the LCDs were manufactured by then same LG/Phillips plant.

http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2400


Next, here is some info reguarding the two kinds of LCDs used by both Apple and Dell:

LCD Panel Technology Explained (http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/lcd-panel-types.php)

And according to this site Apple and Dell both use the S-IPS LCD, but only Dell uses both the S-IPS, and the S-PVA. So if you were to order one, theres no garentee to which one you will end up getting.

iHermes
Oct 5, 2007, 07:24 AM
can you hook up another monitor to the new imac and set it up as a dual monitor? sorry for the threadjack ..

TBi
Oct 5, 2007, 07:31 AM
can you hook up another monitor to the new imac and set it up as a dual monitor? sorry for the threadjack ..

Yup. Only up to 27" though. It doesn't support the dual link needed for a 30".

iHermes
Oct 5, 2007, 07:43 AM
Yup. Only up to 27" though. It doesn't support the dual link needed for a 30".

so will i be able to find a 24" display with the same specs to complement my new 24" imac ...

TBi
Oct 5, 2007, 07:51 AM
so will i be able to find a 24" display with the same specs to complement my new 24" imac ...

More than likely. You will need to purchase a mini-DVI to DVI cable from apple though. This is around 20 dollars.

The Dell 24" is a good compliment, especially the HC version. Some people insist the 23" Apple Display is better quality than the Dell, however it is slightly smaller so the screens won't match up as well as the Dell.

MacsAttack
Oct 5, 2007, 08:12 AM
I use a Dell monitor at home at the moment for print design, but my next monitor within the next couple of months will probably be the BenQ FP241W. The reviews have been outstanding and I'm fed up with waiting for Apple to release new ACDs.

Woho! I've been running a FP241W for the last 8 months. Fantasic display with lots of features. Even better now nVidia dispaly cards now support landscape/portrait rotation. As I do B/W tech illistrations color (or colour) managment is not so much of an issue.

Been thinking about getting a second one. Price has come down a bit and the Mac Pro will support two.

TBi
Oct 5, 2007, 08:32 AM
Even better now nVidia dispaly cards now support landscape/portrait rotation.

nVidia display cards have supported this for years. The drivers just didn't implement it in OSX.

brad.c
Oct 5, 2007, 09:13 AM
I hope it's a good buy--I'm actually sitting on my front porch, waiting for my new 2407WFP-HC to arrive. I hooked my MBP up to the display model at the local Dell kiosk (right next to Sunglasses Hut--what's up with that?), and it looked fantastic.

I'll be using it for graphic design/photography, so I'll be spending time on calibration settings.

EDIT: I bought during a $100 discount promotion that ended yesterday in Canada. That plus an employees discount through my wife's office sweetened the deal considerably vs the ACD I've been drooling over for the past few years.

MacsAttack
Oct 5, 2007, 09:21 AM
nVidia display cards have supported this for years. The drivers just didn't implement it in OSX.

Mear semantics.

NomadicTy
Oct 5, 2007, 09:40 AM
If one was to buy the Dell, how often would you have to calibrate it? Would your calibration disappear if you connect it to other video sources like DVD player, etc? How much does it cost to do this?

TBi
Oct 5, 2007, 09:55 AM
Mear semantics.

Semantics have led to wars...

If one was to buy the Dell, how often would you have to calibrate it? Would your calibration disappear if you connect it to other video sources like DVD player, etc? How much does it cost to do this?

The calibration is stored on the Mac itself, not the monitor. It just sets how the graphics card outputs colours so that they display best on the monitor. It won't be lost if you connect it to other things.

I don't know how often you'd have to calibrate though. The experts would know :)

mateus
Oct 5, 2007, 10:25 AM
I've got an old Dell Inspiron with an Ultra Sharp UXGA+ monitor & it's simply stunning! I've not come across many other LCD monitors that are capable of displaying images quite so beautifully as this does. I used to do a lot of Photoshop & Illustrator work & I preferred working on my laptop rather than the work PCs due to the high quality monitor.

Motion is very good but not brilliant, however it is about 3 years old & things have moved on a lot since then.

I realise the monitor you're referring to is different model, but hopefully this helps a bit.

brad.c
Oct 5, 2007, 01:06 PM
My new 2407WFP-HC just arrived, and I've connected to my MBP (Core Duo 2.0Ghz rev1).

Oh. My. God. This thing is effing brilliant. Literally. I've made no adjustments whatsoever, and the colours are vivid, the highlights sharp, and the ghosting seems minimal so far (only played Armagetron once). I'm in a bright room, so would probably bring down the brightness once I install it in my studio.

I've been viewing my Light Room catalogues, and find myself mesmerized by the screen.

Artful Dodger
Jan 4, 2008, 12:53 PM
I use a Dell monitor at home at the moment for print design, but my next monitor within the next couple of months will probably be the BenQ FP241W. The reviews have been outstanding and I'm fed up with waiting for Apple to release new ACDs.

I tried Googling for "BENQ FP241W" and turned up many instances of people experiencing blackout issues and problems. Here's the link: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1066372&page=228
Yet many have said this is a great display until the issues happen to them as well. I know one or two others have this display here on MR but does anyone else have this display at work or at home that they can give some info about it? I've seen so many displays that are great for about 4-6 months and then just crap out because of continuos use, which makes no sense since it's in such a short time.

MagicWok
Jan 4, 2008, 06:27 PM
The calibration is stored on the Mac itself, not the monitor. It just sets how the graphics card outputs colours so that they display best on the monitor. It won't be lost if you connect it to other things.

I don't know how often you'd have to calibrate though. The experts would know :)

I have been informed about once a month; to keep up with your environment settings if applicable (ambient outdoor light that changes with seasons/time) and any changes in the panel themselves that occur over time that isn't obviously noticable to the human eye - as flat panel displays to degrade over a set period of time.

You want to to keep on top of things just to be safe if it's your livelyhood - you can never be too over cautious in that respect. PLus it doesn't take long to do anyway :)

waynesun
Jan 7, 2008, 03:06 PM
i've heard about a lot of ghosting issues with the 2407WFP HC.. I would wait for another revision of the 24''.. or buy a normal 2407WFP. for graphics, it's better than the standard choice (but realistically if you want the best image quality, you should be looking at S-IPS panels rather than S-PVA, which is what the 2407WFPHC is). S-IPS panels are generally more expensive, but are regarded as "better monitors".

in the end.. it's the indian, not the arrow. monitors are more suited for photographers to capture moods.. i design on a 22'' acer monitor (TN panel), and my client list continues to grow every day. i would wait for a second revision.. or maybe look towards the monitors that have HDMI-in.. for future-proofing.

benpatient
Jan 7, 2008, 05:01 PM
the normal 2407 isn't available. Any monitor that says 2407 will have the issue unless you get one of the old non-HC models. Dell has acknowledged the problem with the screen and decided not to fix it in this generation, but to continue selling them as is. There is a LONG thread about this on the dell community forums that chronicles the entire fiasco.

The root cause is the processing that allows the faster refresh rate, known generally as "overdriving" in LCD land...it is a bad thing if you're expecting a digital monitor to display the exact pixels it is being sent in as accurate and truthful a way as possible.

It's too bad, really, because otherwise it is a great monitor. I don't understand the value of the extended gamut, though, because the only "commercial" application that it could have is if you're designing digital billboard ads, which have a huge (and somewhat distracting) gamut. All it does is make websites with red on them bleed on my face.

bluetooth
Jan 7, 2008, 07:57 PM
Bah, I'm confused...it seems for every 2 or 3 good reviews on this monitor there is a bad one as well. Same goes for the Apple Cinema. More times then not, people have said that this monitor is just as good as the Apple for about half the price, but this is not the first time I have read about this ghosting issue either.

I was set to go ahead and buy this Dell until these last two posters chimed in with their opinion (which I do appreciate).

I am also a freelance designer looking to upgrade my current display so want something decent but not overly expensive (as previously stated, the conclusion I have come to based on what I have read on various forums is that the Apple is just not worth its expensive price tag).

So any other recommends on a 22-24" display for grahic design?

thanks

Europe calling
Jan 8, 2008, 02:10 AM
I was in the same doubt as you are now. I decided to go for the 23" HD. I see it all over the studios i get into for my work. And it's a great display, you won't regret it. Don't stare yourself blind at the panel types that are in the monitors, it's the electronics too.
Secondly, if you're into design you would want something appealing to the eye too, no? ;), so where does that leave Dell?
The difference in price will not be an issue if you are going to use it professionally, which i assume if you consider such a display. How many projects will you have to do to earn that extra cash for the HD?

PCM
Jan 8, 2008, 07:24 AM
i use 2 Dell Ultrasharps at work and they are nice monitors, but they are not as nice as my 23" Cinema Display at home. Are they in the same league? I would say so. Whether or not it's a software and/or calibration issue (we use Pc's at work), i'm not sure, but the Dells show noticeably more banding in gradations as well as IMO not as good color repro even after calibration (using gretag macbeth calibration tools).

Having said that, they are fantastic monitors for the price.

bluetooth
Jan 9, 2008, 05:19 AM
The other LCD I have heard a few good things about for design is the 22" ViewSonic Pro Series.

Any thoughts or insight on this monitor performance wise?

It's 2" smaller then the Dell and about a $100 cheaper, so I geuss it's pretty comparable in value even given the slightly smaller size and slightly lower price etc.

http://www.viewsonic.com/products/lcddisplays/proseries/VP2250wb/