Poll: Before iPhone 1.1.1, did you install 3rd party applications on your iPhone?

[MacRumors]

Vote: Poll: Before iPhone 1.1.1, did you install 3rd party applications on your iPhone? (http://www.macpolls.com/?poll_id=560)

[DMann]

Vote: Poll: Before iPhone 1.1.1, did you install 3rd party applications on your iPhone? (http://www.macpolls.com/?poll_id=560)

How about a poll of those who updated to 1.1.1 after installing 3rd party apps?

[zwida]

Nope. There was nothing compelling enough to make me go through the whole unlock headache (at least it seemed like a headache to me...).

I'm not a high-horse, thou-shalt-not-hack-Apple's-kit purist, I'm just a lazy scaredy cat.:)

[shadowfax]

Nope. There was nothing compelling enough to make me go through the whole unlock headache (at least it seemed like a headache to me...).

I'm not a high-horse, thou-shalt-not-hack-Apple's-kit purist, I'm just a lazy scaredy cat.:)

well, you don't really have to unlock the phone to try 3rd party stuff, just run apptapp installer from your mac with the iPhone plugged in. I can understand being leery of the process, but it's undeniably easy to do with apptapp, for which the team that does it deserves an amazing amount of credit.

[DMann]

well, you don't really have to unlock the phone to try 3rd party stuff, just run apptapp installer from your mac with the iPhone plugged in. I can understand being leery of the process, but it's undeniably easy to do with apptapp, for which the team that does it deserves an amazing amount of credit.

Here here! Cheers to that!

[shadowfax]

Here here! Cheers to that!

Yeah, I would venture to say that AppTapp is at least as well done, probably better, than Apple's own "software update" on Mac OS X. The efficiency, the easy installing, updating, and uninstalling just blew me away. There's nothing that cool that I have seen in the open-source community at large. I've found most other updating "engines" (like yum on RH/FC) that I have looked at on open-source OSes to be just kinda slow and "cludgy" by comparison.

AppTapp is a fine, fine piece of software for a "3rd-party hack." I would venture to bet that if/when Apple allows you to install 3rd Party stuff on the iPhone, and I certainly see that on the horizon in 1-2 years when they feel like their API is "stable," they will probably rip AppTapp off in much the same way that they ripped Konfabulator off with "Dashboard" in Tiger. I am sure it will be a bit slicker, and probably there will be a way to search and probably buy certain apps, but I bet they rip it off.

[DMann]

Yeah, I would venture to say that AppTapp is at least as well done, probably better, than Apple's own "software update" on Mac OS X. The efficiency, the easy installing, updating, and uninstalling just blew me away. There's nothing that cool that I have seen in the open-source community at large. I've found most other updating "engines" (like yum on RH/FC) that I have looked at on open-source OSes to be just kinda slow and "cludgy" by comparison.

AppTapp is a fine, fine piece of software for a "3rd-party hack." I would venture to bet that if/when Apple allows you to install 3rd Party stuff on the iPhone, and I certainly see that on the horizon in 1-2 years when they feel like their API is "stable," they will probably rip AppTapp off in much the same way that they ripped Confabulator off with "Dashboard" in Tiger. I am sure it will be a bit slicker, and probably there will be a way to search and probably buy certain apps, but I bet they rip it off.

Very much agreed........ However, although I do give Apple credit for actually purchasing the rights to Robbin and Kincaid's "SoundJam" before renaming it "iTunes," I don't quite understand the denial of the Konfabulator-"Dashboard" clone job. You're probably right about AppTapp getting repackaged as "AppleTap" once this harrowing embargo is lifted.

[Dagless]

Obviously I don't have an iPhone since they're not out here yet. But I would have installed a good IM client. That's all I want, some apps sounded novelty like the faux-GPS one but I would have tested and removed them to keep it from getting bloated.

[shadowfax]

Obviously I don't have an iPhone since they're not out here yet. But I would have installed a good IM client. That's all I want, some apps sounded novelty like the faux-GPS one but I would have tested and removed them to keep it from getting bloated.
That was my experience. I was torn between the IM clients, and I went with Apollo in the end--chat bubbles piss me off... Three games are awesome, well, done, worth keeping: Lights Off, FiveDice (like Yahtzee), and Mines. The other games have poor interfaces for the phone or just don't look clean enough yet.

Other than that, the only other thing that I found I kept on the phone was rSBT and SummerBoard. rSBT allows you to change the order of all your icons (which helps a lot, I think the iPhone has a weak arrangement of icons), and SummerBoard will let you apply themes, which, most of them are pretty dumb, but I found that if you dimmed a good black & white background behind the icons and then put a translucent image on the dock, it made it look enormously better--a lot more personalized, but still clean.

[robcoles]

Before 1.1.1 I installed AppTapp and then from there an IM client and SSH,
I was also wish/hoping for a "vindigo" or clone, to keep reasturant reviews and addresses on device (so I can search on the subway with no connection or overseas when connection is too expensive ).

After the "scare" that maybe Aple would brick my phone, I've got to say I'm not going to be rushing to install 3rd party apps again, but I do wish Apple will someday change its mind about this form of "hack". Insisting that web base Apps are good enough is a poor joke with the "EDGE" network.

[Anonymous Freak]

First, "unlocking", i.e. the process of modifying an iPhone's "modem firmware" so that you can use it on a carrier other than AT&T is completely different than "unshackling" or "jailbreaking" the phone so that it's OS X-based system can run third party software.

The process needed to install third party software, "unshackling" or "jailbreaking" does not touch any "firmware" on the iPhone at all. A "restore" completely removes all traces of this. Basically, this process would be like having a standard Mac stuck in 'Simple Finder' mode, so that you can't install your own software. On a Mac like this, there may be a way to force the Mac into a mode that lets you install your own software. But reformatting the hard drive, and reinstalling the OS would restore the Mac to the original 'Simple' state. Once you have done the reformat, nobody, not even Apple, could tell that you ever installed third party software.

The process needed to make the iPhone work on another cell phone provider, "unlocking" is completely different. It requires changing some of the deep down firmware, which survives a restore. This is more like the third-party hack when the Intel Macs first came out that allowed you to run Windows on your Mac. (Before Boot Camp or any of the virtualization products.) This process survives a format and reinstall, and unless you go through steps to undo the procedure, it *IS* detectable by someone (such as Apple,) who tries to find out.

I had both. I had AppTapp's Installer.app on mine, as well as quite a few third party apps. (None that were 'necessary' type things to me, mostly just there for fun. A couple games, the BSD utilities and Terminal, etc.) I also had mine unlocked. Again, not because I needed it to be (I was using the provided AT&T SIM,) but just because I could. Mine was not iBricked by the update, but it did obviously remove my third party apps, and re-lock the phone.

[shadowfax]

I also had mine unlocked. Again, not because I needed it to be (I was using the provided AT&T SIM,) but just because I could. Mine was not iBricked by the update, but it did obviously remove my third party apps, and re-lock the phone.

Reports have indicated that SIM-Unlocked phones updated to 1.1.1 mostly became phones that rejected all SIMs after the update. Did you have to wait and use the procedures detailed by the dev team on their wiki, or did your phone work right after updating?

[alljunks]

of course...

3rd party software!!!!

[sblasl]

I think the hackers have a tendency to inhale their own exhaust. They also think that they are large in numbers, although this is early on in the Poll, I think that those that did do the 3rd party apps will be very small in numbers.

As said by Sobe in another thread:

"I'm beginning to realize that the outcry isn't so much that people can't hack the way they wanted but rather perhaps it's a feeling of being personally rejected by a corporation they mistakenly thought they were in some sort of a dysfunctional partnership with."

[Compile 'em all]

I think the hackers have a tendency to inhale their own exhaust. They also think that they are large in numbers, although this is early on in the Poll, I think that those that did do the 3rd party apps will be very small in numbers.


Based on unique IP hits on installer.app, the users of 3rd party apps are in the order of 10,000 -20,000.

[Anonymous Freak]

Reports have indicated that SIM-Unlocked phones updated to 1.1.1 mostly became phones that rejected all SIMs after the update. Did you have to wait and use the procedures detailed by the dev team on their wiki, or did your phone work right after updating?

There are also reports (such as mine,) of phones updating, but becoming locked in the process.

The problem appears to stem from the fact that somtimes, anySIM would cause the phone's IMEI (layman's term: cell phone radio serial number) to be changed to one specific (invalid) IMEI. When the GSM radio firmware part of the Apple update ran, it choked on the invalid IMEI, and when it tried to re-activate the phone, it failed because your IMEI didn't match the one in Apple/AT&T's records.

Some unlocked phones (including mine,) retained their correct IMEI, and went through the update unscathed, although re-locked. I have also heard of phones that appeared to have their correct IMEI before the update, but while the update was running, their IMEI was corrupted, and experienced the same problem as started-out-with-wrong-IMEI phones. (A friend of mine was one of those. His IMEI appeared correct before the update, but he got an iBrick anyway. He managed to de-brick his to 1.0.2, but still doesn't have phone functionality, so he has been joking about eBaying it as an 'iPod touch Extreme - iPod touch plus email client, editable calendar, stocks, Google Maps, weather, notes, and a camera!')

I haven't been keeping up with the hack efforts, so I don't know if it has been figured out why some "correct IMEI" phones were iBricked and others (like mine,) weren't.

[shamino]

Very much agreed........ However, although I do give Apple credit for actually purchasing the rights to Robbin and Kincaid's "SoundJam" before renaming it "iTunes,"
They didn't just buy the rights. They bought the source code, and I think the rest of the company.
I don't quite understand the denial of the Konfabulator-"Dashboard" clone job.
Unlike iTunes, which is (or was, back in version 1) SoundJam, Dashboard simply looks like Konfabulator. The similarities are completely superficial. The internals, and the way you develop widgets is completely different.
You're probably right about AppTapp getting repackaged as "AppleTap" once this harrowing embargo is lifted.
When the time comes for Apple to allow development of real apps, the installer will probably be a component of iTunes. I doubt there will be a separate program, by any name.

[maxrdc]

I am still using 1.0.2, and I am not planing to upgrade. I upgrade itunes to 7.4.3 and I lost all my customized ringtones, so I went back to 7.4.1 Please , if anybody knows that for sure I wont be unlocking my iphone when I install 3rd party apps, I am dying to install those apps but I am so afraid that I could birck my phone. Will somebody let me know please? I am another scare cat here :(
:confused:

well, you don't really have to unlock the phone to try 3rd party stuff, just run apptapp installer from your mac with the iPhone plugged in. I can understand being leery of the process, but it's undeniably easy to do with apptapp, for which the team that does it deserves an amazing amount of credit.

[pjarvi]

Don't own an iPhone. Waiting for the 2nd generation, and larger memory.

[Essefgy]

I tried to add apps, but none of the installers I tried would work.

[Marcjcd]

Updated but what a mistake!!! WiFi store... who needs it. I can wait until I get home to buy a song. Louder speakerphone... I THINK NOT! Sounded the same to me. Double click home button, useful yes but not needed. Double click space bar to get a period. Your kidding right, just hit the period key!

Downgraded less then 3 days after updated, put apptapp right back on my iPhone and now I'm happy. :)

Dont get me wrong, I LOVE my iPhone, just want it the way I WANT IT.

I wont be updating again until some of these features we all want are available through Apple.

[elgruga]

I am in Canada.
Iphone has certain features which make my work life MUCH easier.
Bought one.
Love it.
Unlocked it to 1.0.2.
Hopefully, Rogers Wireless (crappy co.) will get it in Canada soon.
Thinking about buying another iphone as a backup before all the 1.0.2 ones sell out.

I have VNotes voice recorder on there, will install a To Do app.

Just realised today I have NO warranty, no support, nada. Oh well, it aint the first time I have done this - and the iPhone is worth it.

[Bookmonke]

I don't agree with the unlocking, if you don't want to be on AT&T so be it, be jealous of us. BUT I do want my own handmade ringtones, a native IM and some entertainment, apps should be allowed natively on the phone release a SDK for them, free the apps.

[siurpeeman]

i had to vote yes on this poll. after not installing 3rd party apps for so long, i wanted to see what the fuss was about, so i installed the installer.app the day before the 1.1.1 update. i played around with a few apps and tinkered with this and that. it was pretty cool, but i didn't miss it when i updated the phone to 1.1.1. however, i'm not too enthralled by the latest update. wifi store comes in handy every now and then, but it's not a big deal. and i keep forgetting to double space for periods, so i haven't been making good use of that feature either. :o

[offwidafairies]

i cant believe we are still talking about this same topic

[Flynntoo]

installed no native apps,but i did use quite a few web apps.most i didnt see any difference from native apps except access method(icon vs bookmark) and start speed.usage is excellent for most.some apps are so crappy they would suck as native too.i still use a few.mostly games to kill time waiting(burgers,etc.)you tube and macrumors also.

[ariza910]

How about those users that have installed 3rd party apps before and after 1.1.1

follow this to get AppTapp working on 1.1.1 iPhone
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=370824

[stoutboy1]

Is it to much to ask to get a new poll every week day like the header says? Shoot I would be more then happy to get one weakly say every Monday then everyone would have a good chance to vote. Even 2 a month would be great. I like the poles you should update them more...:) Thanks for all the great work here on the site.