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thedarkhorse
Oct 5, 2007, 01:26 PM
If the AppleTV's lack of an optical drive has been an issue for you, look no further than a soon to be announced update to the popular iDevice for that very issue to be addressed. Also, the entry-level model will be dropped to $249 with a 60GB or maybe even 80GB HDD (depending on market conditions about six or seven weeks from now), and two other models at $299 and $399 sporting 120-160 and 200-250GB drives respectively. The optical drive may not be available on all models, another vagary of our most recent source reports on the subject. More on the AppleTV 2.0 and its across-the-board hardware/software upgrades later this week when the key embargo expires!
http://macosrumors.com/



twoodcc
Oct 5, 2007, 01:34 PM
very interesting....making it even more easier to hack, with a dvd drive.

psychofreak
Oct 5, 2007, 01:36 PM
A major point of the AppleTV is to avoid the DVD stuff, and love the iTunes environment. MOSR is just for laughs, they have NO sources...

gkarris
Oct 5, 2007, 01:36 PM
I don't see an optical drive in this thing unless they do something with the cooling/ventilation. The heat from the device will burn the optical drive out prematurely...

Maybe just a SW update to make it able to read an external from the USB port... maybe an external DVD drive that Apple will offer for their new sub-note???

Jovian9
Oct 5, 2007, 05:40 PM
We don't need an :apple:TV with a DVD drive. What we need is for Apple to start making add-ons for this. A unit that looks like this that maybe plays dvds, or HD-DVDs, or Blue-Ray discs (or all of those). This unit would be stackable with the :apple:TV. Also maybe a DVR box in the same design that is stackable.

Give us the choice of what we want and let the original :apple:TV be the starting point and the base for it all.

plumbingandtech
Oct 5, 2007, 06:35 PM
New Rule:

Never quote Mac OS Rumors.

I'll let others explain why.

phillipjfry
Oct 5, 2007, 11:56 PM
New Rule:

Never quote Mac OS Rumors.

I'll let others explain why.

Bill Mahr Hangs out on macrumors? FTW!! :)

jarenado
Oct 6, 2007, 12:44 AM
i do agree that the whole point of the appletv is to bypass dvds, also for 399, i rather just spend another 100 bucks, and get a refurb mini. It has front row, and a remote, an optical drive, oh yeah, and its a computer. I dont know, its just my dream to have a mac mini hooked up to my entertainment system.


P.S. is it common for people to use the minis as an entertainment system

anti-microsoft
Oct 6, 2007, 12:57 AM
P.S. is it common for people to use the minis as an entertainment system

Yeah a lot of people do that. As well as in their cars, their bathrooms...

anti-microsoft
Oct 6, 2007, 01:01 AM
We don't need an :apple:TV with a DVD drive. What we need is for Apple to start making add-ons for this. A unit that looks like this that maybe plays dvds, or HD-DVDs, or Blue-Ray discs (or all of those). This unit would be stackable with the :apple:TV. Also maybe a DVR box in the same design that is stackable.

Give us the choice of what we want and let the original :apple:TV be the starting point and the base for it all.

You see thats not apples style! Apple wouldn't want you to trail cables behind your HDTV!! They just want one box for everything! No DVD recorders, No DVD Players... All your media and content in one tiny little box.

aswitcher
Oct 6, 2007, 01:41 AM
I think Leopard may trigger an update for AppleTV from oct-Jan 08.

I see more video formats, maybe even screen display from a Mac - a feature of Leopard for remote iChat stuff. Then you could play any native media if it just streamed screen shots.

nlivo
Oct 6, 2007, 02:02 AM
I see more video formats

We're talking about Apple, right?

maokh
Oct 6, 2007, 08:29 PM
I think the most likely update for AppleTV will be an "End of Sale" announcement.

Apple has been removing AppleTV displays from stores. They are not promoting the product anymore. Even the Mac Mini hasn't reached that fate yet.

The iPhone really did steal the show during its announcement...seems like its ignored and forgotten.

DVD would be silly. The whole point of the AppleTV was a way to bring iTunes to the living room and sell Movie/TV content. Honestly, without the AppleTV, there is no way i would buy TV series and movies for my ipod...or iphone...or laptop...

anti-microsoft
Oct 7, 2007, 01:04 AM
We're talking about Apple, right?

:D


By the way, I was just thinking the :apple:tv could be used as a remote desktop... So you could control your mac from your living room and not only access Movies, TV shows, Music, Podcasts, Photos and YouTube, you could also then access documents, Keynotes...
Or do tutorials on a big screen, like show how iPhoto works to your family and stuff like that (But I suppose that last bit would be a little naff)

sadcaper
Oct 7, 2007, 11:57 PM
All I want is DOLBY freakin DIGITAL from my ATV!!!!!!!!!! Please figure out a way to passthrough the AC3 stream and I'll be 100% happy with this product. To me that's the biggest drawback for a system that is supposed to play all your movies. I can't watch the Matrix in DPLII!!! Come on!!!

Please...DD 5.1 support...pretty please...

balamw
Oct 8, 2007, 12:07 AM
You see thats not apples style!

Except of course when it comes to adding FM to your iPod. :p

Given that Costco has gobs of 160 GB :apple:TVs I agree that it's either due for a major overhaul or a fire sale. :(

I like mine, and would likely pick up a second one if they were discontinued.

B

Scarpad
Oct 8, 2007, 09:07 AM
Yeah I don't need a DVD Drive, when I want to watch DVD's I place them in my Superior Tosh A2 for it's steller Upconverting. What ATV Needs is HD Content on the Itunes store.

gkarris
Oct 8, 2007, 11:21 AM
I think the most likely update for AppleTV will be an "End of Sale" announcement.

Apple has been removing AppleTV displays from stores. They are not promoting the product anymore. Even the Mac Mini hasn't reached that fate yet.


Actually, the store I frequent has also started to remove the Mini as well...

Maybe a convergence of the two???

Hunts121
Oct 8, 2007, 03:16 PM
Yeah I don't need a DVD Drive, when I want to watch DVD's I place them in my Superior Tosh A2 for it's steller Upconverting. What ATV Needs is HD Content on the Itunes store.

Agreed, I have it also. At first I thought the whole upconverting thing was a bunch of BS thanks to this HDDVD player and my cable box (also upconverts via HDMI) I am glad to say I was wrong.

fabrizio
Oct 8, 2007, 08:39 PM
All I want is DOLBY freakin DIGITAL from my ATV!!!!!!!!!! Please figure out a way to passthrough the AC3 stream and I'll be 100% happy with this product. To me that's the biggest drawback for a system that is supposed to play all your movies. I can't watch the Matrix in DPLII!!! Come on!!!

Please...DD 5.1 support...pretty please...

I agree! I am waiting to buy AppleTV with the hope it will read .avi with AC3 audio or some other Dolby Digital file format soon. I think Apple will start to sell on iTunes movies with Dolby Digital or other 5.1 (DTS or other) so it will need a device to play them properly. What do you think? Until iTunes doesn't offer movies in surround 5.1 (Dolby Digital or equivalent), I won't buy them!

Mac In School
Oct 8, 2007, 11:07 PM
I'm not dying for an integrated DVD player, but I'd welcome one. Sometimes it's still practical to rent a movie, or a friend brings a DVD over to watch.

It would be particularly appealing if it was an HD-DVD or BluRay player.

anti-microsoft
Oct 9, 2007, 12:26 AM
e next :apple:tv is gonna have are the following:
(if it discontinues is another matter)

-More storage
-iTunes Wi-Fi Music store
-Lower pricing
-iPhone support over Wi-Fi or USB
-iPod Support
-5.1 Surround sound
-New design.

mickhyperion
Oct 9, 2007, 12:36 AM
My only requests of a new AppleTV are (two things which could be fixed with a mere software update, but don't make me laugh):

PLAY ALL functionality
SHUFFLE ALL functionality

I do not want to return to the menu after my selection has played. I want it to automatically move to the next selection or pick one at random. You know, like iPods and iTunes have been able to do for years and years and years now. So I can play music videos or short cartoons from a playlist and just let them play and play and play for hours, maybe even days. Can we have this functionality, please? Is it too much to ask or dream about? Is it somehow dangerous, taboo, or forbidden to play too many movies in a row without stopping? Will I grow hair on my palms from this too?

jdechko
Oct 9, 2007, 09:06 AM
My thoughts on this are that it could bring about an interesting possibility. What if there is a DVD drive, plus a dedicated h.264 decoder/encoder chip (like the Elgato Turbo.264). Pop in a disc and the :apple:TV automatically rips the disc to the :apple:TV (and with an internet connection, it can look up DVD information and CD Album info). No bogging down your computer. DVD's, CD's, Picture CD's and a USB card reader; you don't even need a computer to enjoy the :apple:TV.

anti-microsoft
Oct 9, 2007, 11:06 AM
My thoughts on this are that it could bring about an interesting possibility. What if there is a DVD drive, plus a dedicated h.264 decoder/encoder chip (like the Elgato Turbo.264). Pop in a disc and the :apple:TV automatically rips the disc to the :apple:TV (and with an internet connection, it can look up DVD information and CD Album info). No bogging down your computer. DVD's, CD's, Picture CD's and a USB card reader; you don't even need a computer to enjoy the :apple:TV.

It will not have a DVD import function 'cos apple wants you to download your movies from the iTunes store, and will certainly will not have a Card reader. Apple NEVER will do a card reader, unless it makes up a new Media card of its own, that I doubt.

Roy Hobbs
Oct 9, 2007, 11:28 AM
e next :apple:tv is gonna have are the following:
(if it discontinues is another matter)

-More storage
-iTunes Wi-Fi Music store
-Lower pricing
-iPhone support over Wi-Fi or USB
-iPod Support
-5.1 Surround sound
-New design.

just curious why would the :apple:TV need iPod and iPhone support??
All of your other points I get, but this makes no sense. Please elaborate

balamw
Oct 9, 2007, 11:31 AM
DVD's, CD's, Picture CD's and a USB card reader; you don't even need a computer to enjoy the :apple:TV.

IMHO what you are describing makes more sense as the missing home server. This would then be an iTunes library server that you could use to stream content to other :apple:TV units, Macs/PCs, iPods/iPhones, etc....

I could see the mini turning into something like this...

B

grovertdog
Oct 9, 2007, 12:50 PM
Other than one earlier post noting the lack of sources (which of course is typical with rumours) I have no idea how to gauge the OP's link. I am currently leaning towards a 160gb refurb, but don't want to make the jump if another :apple:TV revision is just around the corner. Particularly, if a revised model passes through DD5.1 audio.:rolleyes:

Wanderer
Oct 9, 2007, 12:50 PM
All I want is DOLBY freakin DIGITAL from my ATV
<SNIP>
Please...DD 5.1 support...pretty please...

That is the reason I don't own one yet. I want HD and real suround sound. Until then, I will live with what I have.

jdechko
Oct 9, 2007, 06:22 PM
and will certainly will not have a Card reader. Apple NEVER will do a card reader, unless it makes up a new Media card of its own, that I doubt.

I never meant to imply that it would have one. I specifically said "USB" to imply that you'd supply your own card reader. But an Apple-branded, white USB media card reader for $30 would be fair, wouldn't you say. ;)

balamw, that was sort of the point. Apple is well in the fray of the personal media devices. I'd be willing to bet that they've been keeping up with the happenings and the likes of the MS WinHomeServers from HP et. al. The :apple:TV, I think, is Apple's starting point as an end-all, be-all media hub. Add in mesh networking via bonjour and it'd be a nice setup. :apple:TV talks to other :apple:TV's, Airport Expresses and Computers. I'm not sure the Mini and the :apple:TV would ever converge into a single device. A home server, specifically the :apple:TV, doesn't need the computing power of a C2D, nor all the RAM for multitasking. A simple GPU, H.264 chip and a 1GHz LV chip (isn't that what's in the :apple:TV now?) would be plenty provided the HD was large enough.

anti-microsoft
Oct 10, 2007, 12:46 AM
just curious why would the :apple:TV need iPod and iPhone support??
All of your other points I get, but this makes no sense. Please elaborate

It means that if you plug your iPod/iPhone i to the :apple:tvs USB port it will hav your iPod/iPhone as a source of podcasts, music, movies, etc... Just like you would do with the computer.

pilotError
Oct 10, 2007, 07:52 AM
I'm wondering if Apple is just going to exit the market.

There's been a bunch of announcements and shipments from all the Major and Minor DVD vendors where the DVD player has wireless access and supports streaming. In some cases they support Windows Media Center and in others they support iTunes streaming. The big plus here is that they are already a DVD player and support pretty much all the codecs that Apple refuses to open up. Even Microsoft now supports Divx and a few others. They also support 5.1 and in some cases 7.1 sound.

All the new gaming platforms support this now, I wouldn't be surprised to see iTunes being licensed out to these vendors since they could easily outship the Apple TV.

I personally think Apple has too much going on at once and really lost any time to market advantage they had. I really don't see a future here for them unless they jump into the Media Center market with a mini-like product. Their refusal to support all the codecs out there leads me to believe they aren't willing to compromise their eco-system at all. Not a very good thing to do if your a consumer oriented company.

Superman07
Oct 10, 2007, 09:20 AM
There's been a bunch of announcements and shipments from all the Major and Minor DVD vendors where the DVD player has wireless access and supports streaming. In some cases they support Windows Media Center and in others they support iTunes streaming. The big plus here is that they are already a DVD player and support pretty much all the codecs that Apple refuses to open up. Even Microsoft now supports Divx and a few others. They also support 5.1 and in some cases 7.1 sound.


Such as? Perhaps I've missed something, but I haven't seen any dvd players that support these functions. Especially in the major chain stores that Joe 6-Pack would pick up.

pilotError
Oct 10, 2007, 10:31 AM
Do a search on engadget for media player and you'll see a handful of them pop up.

There's also the Wii, PS3 and XBox media extenders.

Superman07
Oct 10, 2007, 10:46 AM
Do a search on engadget for media player and you'll see a handful of them pop up.

There's also the Wii, PS3 and XBox media extenders.

Okay, but how many of those are mainstream? You've limited yourself to a much younger demographic that a) is aware of the various different solutions available and/or b) those thare are focused on the capabilities of the current generation of gaming machines beyond the gaming function!

If it doesn't say Sony, Samsung, Pioneer, LG, etc. most consumers won't know what it is and would pass on it. Furthermore, the chances of finding any of those units in a regular store is very slim. However, the possibility of somebody walking into an Apple store and buying an ATV, I would argue, is much more likely!

pilotError
Oct 11, 2007, 07:41 AM
D-Link has the DSM-320R
Actiontec (don't know if it has a model number)
Momitsu DVD-V880N

I'm also under the impression that LG is coming out with a version as well. I couldn't find the link/model number, so I'll leave it at that.

Samsung, Pioneer and Sony have been slowly ramping down the DVD market and are starting to push Blu Ray (at least within that circle of companies). Usually the Swiss Knife DVD players are pushed by the smaller players. This is usually what you see in Costco, Target and Walmart.

The general direction of that entire industry is connected hardware. My Onkyo receiver has ethernet and can stream media from Windows media center. Denon can do iTunes. I believe both can do photos and movies as well, since they are AVR's with HDMI outputs. My PS3 and Wii (for my kids mainly) have these capabilities as well. I'm sure each has its limitations at this point.

AppleTV was OK, but I'm sure most consumers at this point in time don't understand what it does.

Put those capabilities in an upscaling DVD player and you have something the mainstream consumer understands.

powerbook911
Oct 12, 2007, 09:35 AM
I'm confident the Apple TV will not go away. I think we'll see it changes constantly too just as Macs, in their early days.