Woman forced to remove bra

[runningman]

So a lady refuses to go outside and remove her bra or find a bathroom. But the security guards are just suppose to know that she's not carrying a weapon. I would like to extend my sincerest apology that the guards are not psychic.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21144171/

[Wyvernspirit]

So a lady refuses to go outside and remove her bra or find a bathroom. But the security guards are just suppose to know that she's not carrying a weapon. I would like to extend my sincerest apology that the guards are not psychic.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21144171/

I'm not sure how they could have handled it better. As I was not there I don't know what their attitude or their actual words were, and how that may have affected the situation.

[xsedrinam]

So a lady refuses to go outside and remove her bra or find a bathroom. But the security guards are just suppose to know that she's not carrying a weapon. I would like to extend my sincerest apology that the guards are not psychic.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21144171/
And the request was not facilitated with proper personnel (women) or privacy. When she asked if she could use a restroom, they replied "no". No one expects psychic activity. They do expect respect and personal dignity to be given.

[theBB]

It seems bathrooms were behind the security checkpoint, so where do you suppose she go to get her undergarments off? Back home, a parking lot, a public bathroom at a park half a mile away? I'd say they should anticipate such problems and arrange a privacy area. Maybe that is too much of a civilized method for your taste.

[Wyvernspirit]

It seems bathrooms were behind the security checkpoint, so where do you suppose she go to get her undergarments off? Back home, a parking lot, a public bathroom at a park half a mile away? I'd say they should anticipate such problems and arrange a privacy area. Maybe that is too much of a civilized method for your taste.

Maybe they should do something, but I don't think that lack of one is the fault of the guards that were on duty at that time. They could only follow what rules and tools they had available at that time and it would seem they what they could to protect their charge. The courthouse or those in charge of the security should learn from this and either change procedure (maybe make it mandatory to always have a woman on duty) or add special facilities in case something like this occurs again.

Just 2¢

[evilgEEk]

"I wasn't carrying a shank in my bra."

That's awesome.

I say what's the big deal. My wife (along with most women) can take her bra off without taking her shirt off.

These women are magic, I say. Witches!
:eek:

[Applespider]

I'm sure they could have waved one of those handscanner wands around her breast area and figured out it was an underwire. It's pretty poor in this day and age not to have any female security guards on duty to search women.

The TSA is getting ridiculous. I can just see it now... please remove your belts and underwires before reaching this point. Women across the country will have breasts hitting their knees when flying :rolleyes:

[bartelby]

It's just security guards abusing their power and getting cheap thrills. They're pathetic...

[Leareth]

It's just security guards abusing their power and getting cheap thrills. They're pathetic...

Seconded.

I once had a security guy in a store who wanted me to take off my ankle splint/cast to prove I was not stealing anything, the door detector went off when I passed by it.

One of my friends has a pacemaker in his chest. he is under 30 and darker skinned - the airport security always take him down when the metal detector beeps and they feel the wire.

[runningman]

The problem you have is they wave a wand around her bra and it beeps to indicate metal but it doesn't tell you what it is. Now a pace maker is under the skin and is easily felt. They asked her to go back out to her car which is a reasonable request and she refused. The bathrooms are past the check point they can not allow her to go in there. If she was carrying a weapon then she simply leaves it in the restroom and comes backs and gets it later. You can't have some one visibly watch her take her bra off because lack of cause.

[question fear]

Did they increase the sensitivity of the machines recently? I've worn underwire bras for years and never ran into a metal detector issue.

In any case, I think they should have given her a privacy area. Go outside is not a polite solution. And if they thought she was truly a risk, why would they let her go to a restaurant or a nearby area to remove the bra? That strikes me as a bit odd too.

[rdowns]

I travel quite a bit and the lack of knowledge on the part of many travelers is astonishing. It's as if these people are oblivious to the rules and cause so many damn delays in getting through "security". I have perfected the art of spotting them and making sure I get on a different line than them.

I'm in no way defending the TSA personnel or other security people but they do deal with a tremendous amount of crap.

[jessica.]

I travel quite a bit and the lack of knowledge on the part of many travelers is astonishing. It's as if these people are oblivious to the rules and cause so many damn delays in getting through "security". I have perfected the art of spotting them and making sure I get on a different line than them.

I'm in no way defending the TSA personnel or other security people but they do deal with a tremendous amount of crap.
Yes but in my travel experience my under garments have never set off a detector. Actually, I've worn belts through and they didn't set them off.

On the other hand most women should be able to remove their bra without even taking their shirt off. If you had 7th grade gym glass then it's possible this art was perfected long ago. ;) She's an amateur!

[runningman]

I do have to admit that the ability to remove a bra without taking a shirt off truly amazes me. Us guys have trouble keeping what foot our shoe goes on straight.

[phillipjfry]

...Yes but in my travel experience my under garments have never set off a detector. Actually, I've worn belts through and they didn't set them off.
...

I've had one of those cards that you use to unlock hotel rooms set off a series of detectors and alarms when I tried to pass through customs. Just that one card, not the many other cards I still had in my wallet. Mysterious black magic technology.

I do have to admit that the ability to remove a bra without taking a shirt off truly amazes me. Us guys have trouble keeping what foot our shoe goes on straight.

Sometimes I'll be driving to work and realize I put my socks on my hands :o
They really are years ahead of us. :(

[aquajet]

They asked her to go back out to her car which is a reasonable request and she refused.

Nonsense. We don't know where the car was parked. It could have been in a dark parking garage, or outside with a lot of people walking around, which of course wouldn't have made the situation too far off from taking her bra off in the security line. Let's not forget that exposing one's self in a public place is very often a crime.

The only thing unreasonable here is that security managers lacked the common sense to foresee this type of situation.

The manner in which this woman dealt with the situation ought to be an object lesson for us all.

[IDANNY]

That's awesome.

I say what's the big deal. My wife (along with most women) can take her bra off without taking her shirt off.

These women are magic, I say. Witches!
:eek:

yah it amazes me witches, reminds me of the crucible. haha

[teflon]

So this woman can't take off how bra without taking off her shirt? :eek:. Maybe the security guards just assumed that she can, since most can. It really isn't that hard. I still fail to see what's so amazing about it :p.

[theBB]

Maybe they should do something, but I don't think that lack of one is the fault of the guards that were on duty at that time. They could only follow what rules and tools they had available at that time and it would seem they what they could to protect their charge. The courthouse or those in charge of the security should learn from this and either change procedure (maybe make it mandatory to always have a woman on duty) or add special facilities in case something like this occurs again.

Just 2¢
I was not blaming the guards, but the security company or whatever department handles federal building security should anticipate such issues. Besides not everybody is as comfortable with "unmentionables" due to religious reasons etc. Sometimes I sense a "we are the government, do as we say attitude" in these news articles. Still, I gotta say TSA personnel at airports I have encountered have been very courteous so far.

[wongulous]

Well, I am a security guard (granted for a private institution), and this kind of practice and lack of planning on their parts does make me feel sick, disgusted and humiliated on behalf of this woman. Yes, they could use a wand, and surmise that it was merely an underwire, but if it had been a shank, they would never have known. On the other hand, it is NOT too much to ask to have a nearby bathroom on the other side of the checkpoint or at least a privacy area--and I have such a hard time believing that this ultra-secure courthouse only had a handful of guards and no women available, guard, police officer, or otherwise. Humiliating and ridiculous to ask her to take it off and not even have a place to do it. This HAS to have happened before and they could have prepared for this. I hope she gets a big settlement from their idiotic lack of planning and sensitivity.

[xsedrinam]

Well, I am a security guard (granted for a private institution), and this kind of practice and lack of planning on their parts does make me feel sick, disgusted and humiliated on behalf of this woman. Yes, they could use a wand, and surmise that it was merely an underwire, but if it had been a shank, they would never have known. On the other hand, it is NOT too much to ask to have a nearby bathroom on the other side of the checkpoint or at least a privacy area--and I have such a hard time believing that this ultra-secure courthouse only had a handful of guards and no women available, guard, police officer, or otherwise. Humiliating and ridiculous to ask her to take it off and not even have a place to do it. This HAS to have happened before and they could have prepared for this. I hope she gets a big settlement from their idiotic lack of planning and sensitivity.
Some sage advice from an experienced voice. Maybe they thought (hoped) she was packing 38s.

[mcarnes]

Sounds like it would be a pretty good job, actually. http://www.glocktalk.com/images/smilies/popcorn1.gif

[FoxyKaye]

It's just security guards abusing their power and getting cheap thrills. They're pathetic...
Thirded.

Sorry, I haven't yet met a polite TSA agent - I was once flying through Miami International and the guard (a guy) asks me to dump the contents of my purse into one of those plastic bins after it went through the X-Ray. I do so, and he picks up a zippered pouch that I kept pantyliners in, opens it and proceeds to thumb through them (no gloves). He fans them out like a deck of cards, and asks me, "what are these?" I was so pissed off I told him they were a food processor, at which point a female agent finally came over and asked him why he was pawing through my pantyliners.

Last year I was going through Chicago and the TSA agents had an old lady, I mean seriously old, who needed a walker to stand up isolated next to the security checkpoint. She was crying because she needed her walker to stand, but they wouldn't let her have it because they were wanding her. Two other guards had to come over and hold her up by her arms while they wanded her.

This past March I was going through JFK International in NYC and having injured my ankle in the City I was walking with a metal cane. I put the cane down on the X-Ray machine, and the TSA agent told me that because I didn't tell them I had a cane (which I thought was pretty apparent), that after it went through the X-Ray I'd have to be wanded and it would need to be wiped for bomb materials. He also gave me a stern lecture about how I could have shut down the checkpoint for failing to alert the guards to my cane.

Oh, but I feel safer. I really do.

[j26]

Ah jaysis, it's just a storm in a B cup

[Thanatoast]

It's all a ******** powertrip. Always has been, always will be. Just be prepared to bend over and spread 'em from here on out.

Oh, and have a nice day.

[PlaceofDis]

And the request was not facilitated with proper personnel (women) or privacy. When she asked if she could use a restroom, they replied "no". No one expects psychic activity. They do expect respect and personal dignity to be given.

agreed. their fault for not having the proper personal and tools.

[Tom B.]

Pictures or it didn't happen! :D
How come no one made this joke already?
But on a serious note, they should of let her go into some kind of empty room or something. It reminds me of that bit in the last Pirates of the Caribbean movie.

[demallien]

Whilst it is true that most women can take off their bra without taking off their top, there are certain items of clothing for which this just isn't possible. For example, I'll give a medal to someone capable of doing this with a long sleeved shirt, and frankly, any long-sleeved top risks getting horribly stretched in such a manoeuvre.

I'm slim, but this only gets worse the fatter the woman is.

Just sayin'....

[Iscariot]

That's awesome.

I say what's the big deal. My wife (along with most women) can take her bra off without taking her shirt off.

These women are magic, I say. Witches!
:eek:

Just your wife? I can one-hand most bras through shirts in under a second, and I ain't even married.

...

...Which might be why I keep getting punched.

[Butthead]

Some sage advice from an experienced voice. Maybe they thought (hoped) she was packing 38s.

Hmmm, if it was Dirty Harry's wife..."Eh uh, I know what you're thinking...but seeing how this is a 44 Magnum, and it could blow your head clean off" :p



On the other hand most women should be able to remove their bra without even taking their shirt off. If you had 7th grade gym glass then it's possible this art was perfected long ago. ;) She's an amateur!

Q me in on this ritual of 7th grade :). Can you also do that with your panties, a la Sharon Stone in Sliver? I always thought that was movie magic/exaggeration when she removed all of her undergarments at the restaurant, lol. Yeah, Youtube video please :D

Whilst it is true that most women can take off their bra without taking off their top, there are certain items of clothing for which this just isn't possible. For example, I'll give a medal to someone capable of doing this with a long sleeved shirt, and frankly, any long-sleeved top risks getting horribly stretched in such a manoeuvre.

I'm slim, but this only gets worse the fatter the woman is.

Just sayin'....

And if you were a sexual harassment lawyer you'd sue big time. Being a guy without much flexibility, I can't reach back to that portion of my back anyway I twist. I'm sure there are women who cannot easily reach their backs to unclasp a bra even shirt/blouseless, not just overweight/obesse women. Try to do that with someone who has disabilities, and you'll get a lawsuit for sure...think Elizabeth Taylor, or the Queen of England :eek:

Yep, pretty soon they'll have you walking through the scanner machines like they had in Total Recall (Sharon Stone was a hotarse be-otch in that one :D), then all the male/female screeners can get their gollies off vitually.

[whooleytoo]

Sheesh.. men are so much more open-minded about being patted down by security guards of the opposite sex.. ;)

I was once passing through a security check in Toulouse airport coming back from a rugby trip, when I noticed a very attractive female security guard patting down the first guy in the queue. She was very quickly moved behind the counter to scan the bags as soon as they noticed dozens of male rugby fans stuffing coins, keys, and any random bits of metal into their trouser pockets...

Slightly OT, felt like sharing..

[jywv8]

Thirded.

Sorry, I haven't yet met a polite TSA agent -

Forthed.

Once they tried to confiscate my eyebrow tweezers. Another time it was a tube of chapstick. Frankly, I don't feel any more or less safe flying on an airplane than I did before I had to run my rubber flip flops through an x-ray machine or put my toothpaste in my checked baggage.

It's all pretty darn stupid, if you ask me. One crazy a-hole tries to light up his shoe, and now we all have to shuffle barefoot through a dirty airport. Good times.

[NotAnotherSN]

I'm not sure if there was very much else they could have asked for. I mean, you can't magically scan someone to see whats in their bras... damn phony X-Ray Glasses ads...

[mfacey]

THe whole security thing is stupid. The security guards tend to be about as intelligent as a pile of bricks (especially the TSA ones). I've been through security where a friend of mine was stopped for what were supposedly darts in his bag. These turned out to be rollerball fillings for his pen. The lady had to go present one to her superior before she would let us go. It even said on the filling that it was a filling, come on!

Also, situations like at Heathrow airport where there is now a "one-bag" policy through security. I had a suit bag and a backpack (which were no problem when I boarded a BA flight in Boston, but were a big problem as I transferred at Heathrow!). I had to either considate my bags or check one of them (was either a suit that was going to get ruined, or a backpack with a laptop...). I came up with the solution to wrap my suitbag around my backpack. And that was fine... I just shook my head and moved on... and immediatly after security split it up and happily continued on my way. Ridiculous.

[valdore]

So a dyslexic guy walks into a bra...

[Applespider]

I came up with the solution to wrap my suitbag around my backpack. And that was fine... I just shook my head and moved on... and immediatly after security split it up and happily continued on my way. Ridiculous.

Ah yes... when I fly up to Scotland, I take a small hand-baggage suitcase with my laptop in it, my plastic bag of toiletries and carry my handbag since it won't all quite fit into the suitcase. Since they insist on laptops and toiletries out at security, I can then fit the hand bag into that space until I'm through the check.

I had a surprisingly quick transit through the SFO security check yesterday aside from the officious woman at the entrance who scrutinised my passport, boarding pass and me for some time. Was gratified only to have the boarding pass checked once though rather than at 10 yard intervals.

[yg17]

Thirded.

Sorry, I haven't yet met a polite TSA agent - I was once flying through Miami International and the guard (a guy) asks me to dump the contents of my purse into one of those plastic bins after it went through the X-Ray. I do so, and he picks up a zippered pouch that I kept pantyliners in, opens it and proceeds to thumb through them (no gloves). He fans them out like a deck of cards, and asks me, "what are these?" I was so pissed off I told him they were a food processor, at which point a female agent finally came over and asked him why he was pawing through my pantyliners.

Last year I was going through Chicago and the TSA agents had an old lady, I mean seriously old, who needed a walker to stand up isolated next to the security checkpoint. She was crying because she needed her walker to stand, but they wouldn't let her have it because they were wanding her. Two other guards had to come over and hold her up by her arms while they wanded her.

This past March I was going through JFK International in NYC and having injured my ankle in the City I was walking with a metal cane. I put the cane down on the X-Ray machine, and the TSA agent told me that because I didn't tell them I had a cane (which I thought was pretty apparent), that after it went through the X-Ray I'd have to be wanded and it would need to be wiped for bomb materials. He also gave me a stern lecture about how I could have shut down the checkpoint for failing to alert the guards to my cane.

Oh, but I feel safer. I really do.

And yet, the last time I went through the metal detector, I accidentally left my keys and some change in my pocket and it didn't go off. What if that would've been a knife instead of my car keys and I was a terrorist rather than some guy just wanting to get on the plane and get home?

You can't bring soda on the plane. You can't bring toothpaste on the plane. You have to take your shoes off to go through security. Now it looks like you need to take your bra off too in order to board a plane. And god forbid you NEED a walker or a cane and you try to get that on the plane, all hell breaks loose. But a small pocket knife could probably make it through security no problem.

I sure do feel safer too :rolleyes:

[runningman]

Pictures or it didn't happen! :D
How come no one made this joke already?
But on a serious note, they should of let her go into some kind of empty room or something. It reminds me of that bit in the last Pirates of the Caribbean movie.

Seen her picture may want to reconsider

[Rodimus Prime]

And yet, the last time I went through the metal detector, I accidentally left my keys and some change in my pocket and it didn't go off. What if that would've been a knife instead of my car keys and I was a terrorist rather than some guy just wanting to get on the plane and get home?

You can't bring soda on the plane. You can't bring toothpaste on the plane. You have to take your shoes off to go through security. Now it looks like you need to take your bra off too in order to board a plane. And god forbid you NEED a walker or a cane and you try to get that on the plane, all hell breaks loose. But a small pocket knife could probably make it through security no problem.

I sure do feel safer too :rolleyes:

Problem with metal decetors is they can only pick up alloys with only 3 types of metal in them. Chances are you keys are all made out of a material that will not be picked up that or you do not have enough keys.

I have set off the metal dector more than once with something as simple as forgetting to take off my belt. (cell phone is my common one.)

[yg17]

Problem with metal decetors is they can only pick up alloys with only 3 types of metal in them. Chances are you keys are all made out of a material that will not be picked up that or you do not have enough keys.

I have set off the metal dector more than once with something as simple as forgetting to take off my belt. (cell phone is my common one.)

So what's stopping someone from making a weapon out of something that isn't one of those 3 alloys?

[xsedrinam]

So what's stopping someone from making a weapon out of something that isn't one of those 3 alloys?
Wasn't that a James Bond movie where some gal fired off a bra shot at someone? :D Recoil must have been something she took to heart.

[runplaysleeprun]

I would have began crying, complied with them there and exposed myself, and immediately called a lawyer.

If, you know, I had breasts.

[runningman]

Wasn't that a James Bond movie where some gal fired off a bra shot at someone? :D Recoil must have been something she took to heart.

Oh you mean the Femme Bots from Austin Powers right before he does his mojo dance

[xsedrinam]

Oh you mean the Femme Bots from Austin Powers right before he does his mojo dance
Ya, I get those two mixed up. It's the British accent that confuses me. :D