Mac OS X Leopard 10.5 GM Candidate Build

[psychofreak]

ummm....well..

In 10.5 the calendar on the dock actually changes dates every day! :pSorry, I meant stability-wise...

[Peace]

Sorry, I meant stability-wise...

Well the Calendar on the dock is a LOT more stable.:p

[xUKHCx]

I think he meant that he want to hear about some issues 10.4.0 had.

I used 10.4.0 and had no issues, to be honest 10.4.0 was more stable than 10.4.whatever came loaded on my intel iMac and 10.4.10 Intel.

[mklos]

I doubt Software Update will deliver 10.5.1 for a few weeks. :rolleyes:

Actually, if Leopard does in fact ship on October 26th, I'll bet you'll see 10.5.1 around very early November. Its not uncommon for Apple to get a piece of software/hardware released and then immediately release a update to the product.

Mac OS 10.4.1 was released on May 16th and 10.4.0 was released on April 26th. If I remember correctly, they started working 10.4.1 as soon as they declared Tiger golden master. Meaning, they got the OS out and then utilized software update to update the bugs they didn't want to hold back the OS release date with in the 10.4.1 update. I'm expecting Apple to do the same with 10.5 in the 10.5.1 update.

[Multimedia]

Depends whether there is a major bug in 10.5 that needs a very prompt fix. Remember the 10.3 fiasco,:rolleyes:No I don't. What was wrong? Please refresh our memory.

[thefunkymunky]

No I don't. What was wrong? Please refresh our memory.

If you had a external FW hard drive connected and installed Panther on your internal drive, it would corrupt the firmware on the external hard drive rendering it useless. Third-party manufactures had to rush out updated firmware as well as Apple releasing 10.3.1.

Also there was the 10.2.8 update which fried ethernet ports after installation. 10.2.8 Update 2 came shortly afterwards. There was also a 10.2.9 update but that was only reserved for shipping models of what was then the new G5 Tower. It wasn't available as software update for existing users.

[ABM]

Both your Macs will run it, but maybe not that smoothly if you don't have much RAM...867MHz is the cut off...

Good to hear. The eMac should be replaced around christmas time anyway.

[lukechip]

Actually, if Leopard does in fact ship on October 26th, I'll bet you'll see 10.5.1 around very early November. Its not uncommon for Apple to get a piece of software/hardware released and then immediately release a update to the product.

Mac OS 10.4.1 was released on May 16th and 10.4.0 was released on April 26th. If I remember correctly, they started working 10.4.1 as soon as they declared Tiger golden master. Meaning, they got the OS out and then utilized software update to update the bugs they didn't want to hold back the OS release date with in the 10.4.1 update. I'm expecting Apple to do the same with 10.5 in the 10.5.1 update.

Ahhh, I remember this well. And since then, my OS update process always invovles a complete backup of the data on my old system to two separate backup drives. Only one these gets attached to the machine after the OS update. The 2nd backup stays 'air gapped' from the new system for a few weeks until the dust has settled and any 10.3-esque issues have been shaken out.

The adage "there are two sorts of people - those that have already had a system crash and lost their data, and those that are going to" is particularly relevant at OS upgrade time.

BACKUP, BACKUP, BACKUP !

[TurboSC]

adding those last minute touches... man it must be a rush being a programmer for apple right about now :)

[psychofreak]

adding those last minute touches... man it must be a rush being a programmer for apple right about now :)

Unless its already finished, as the latest torrent releases claim...

[FadeToBlack]

Unless its already finished, as the latest torrent releases claim...

I sure hope it's finished! I'd love to see 'em get it out this month! I believe I'm more excited about Leopard than I was when Tiger was released.

And for the record, I didn't have any significant issues with 10.4.0. Had an issue with Safari crashing and Finder crashing when I emptied the trash occasionally, but that's the only issues I can remember having.

[Capt. Obvious]

If you had a external FW hard drive connected and installed Panther on your internal drive, it would corrupt the firmware on the external hard drive rendering it useless.

Also there was the 10.2.8 update which fried ethernet ports after installation...
And let's not forget the SCSI bug in 10.0 (beta or release, can't remember) - I had a 9gb external SCSI drive connected during installation, and it quit about 5 minutes after the post-install reboot, and never worked again on any machine.

[elppa]

CD Burning didn't work in 10.0.

IE took 15 dock bounces to launch on a good day, but was the only free web browser available.

Those were the days!

[Eidorian]

If you had a external FW hard drive connected and installed Panther on your internal drive, it would corrupt the firmware on the external hard drive rendering it useless. Third-party manufactures had to rush out updated firmware as well as Apple releasing 10.3.1.

Also there was the 10.2.8 update which fried ethernet ports after installation. 10.2.8 Update 2 came shortly afterwards. There was also a 10.2.9 update but that was only reserved for shipping models of what was then the new G5 Tower. It wasn't available as software update for existing users.http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=120271

Apple has identified an issue with external FireWire hard drives using the Oxford 922 bridge chip-set with firmware version 1.02 that can result in the loss of data stored on the disk drive. Even with the improvements available in this update, Apple recommends you update the firmware on your FireWire drive. Please contact your drive manufacturer for more information.Scary stuff indeed.

I used 10.4.0 and had no issues, to be honest 10.4.0 was more stable than 10.4.whatever came loaded on my intel iMac and 10.4.10 Intel.I remember 10.4.0 on my iMac G5. It was such a stable and fast operating system.

Unless its already finished, as the latest torrent releases claim...I noticed that.

[mklos]

Unless its already finished, as the latest torrent releases claim...

I feel pretty confident in saying its finished enough to be released if in fact there was an internal GM candidate going around. I wouldn't be surprised if its available for pre-order on Monday or Tuesday. Lets all hope! Been a long time waiting....

[darthraige]

I feel pretty confident in saying its finished enough to be released if in fact there was an internal GM candidate going around. I wouldn't be surprised if its available for pre-order on Monday or Tuesday. Lets all hope! Been a long time waiting....

I could see it being announced early this week. Apple needs to promote something on their website. iPods are off the main page, Al Gore is probably on the main page for the weekend. It just looks sooooo plain and boring. Can't wait. Hope they announce a new MacPro with Leopard.

[Spikeanator6982]

I could see it being announced early this week. Apple needs to promote something on their website. iPods are off the main page, Al Gore is probably on the main page for the weekend. It just looks sooooo plain and boring. Can't wait. Hope they announce a new MacPro with Leopard.

my thoughts exactly, al gore cant be on there long, and we NEED a new Mac pro, when if comes out, i will have a lot less money. and a WAY faster computer.

[Peace]

iPods are back on Apple's main page

[AppleWoW]

iPods are back on Apple's main page

Yup..they dropped Al pretty fast.

[psychofreak]

Yup..they dropped Al pretty fast.

Hopefully they'll drop the iPods soon for a Leopard countdown :)

[Eidorian]

iPods are back on Apple's main pageThat was fast.

It's not Leopard though...

[AppleWoW]

Hopefully they'll drop the iPods soon for a Leopard countdown :)

would be ncie to see this tomarrow :)

[twoodcc]

Hopefully they'll drop the iPods soon for a Leopard countdown :)

that's what i'm hoping for

[Multimedia]

iPods are back on Apple's main pageSure glad that Gore distraction is over. That was quite the divisive subject.

[psychofreak]

that's what i'm hoping for

I'm still confident of a 26th release date, but a countdown would be so reassuring...

[furcalchick]

i'm kinda new to this apple os release, but i really don't see leopard coming out next friday. i think there will be an announcement in the next day or so to announce that leopard will be out on november 16th, one week before black friday.

[mrkramer]

i'm kinda new to this apple os release, but i really don't see leopard coming out next friday. i think there will be an announcement in the next day or so to announce that leopard will be out on november 16th, one week before black friday.

they said October and I don't think they will delay it again, from what I've heard about the latest developer builds, any bugs with them are not serious enough that fixing it with a software update after shipping would be worse publicity than delaying it again.

[twoodcc]

i'm kinda new to this apple os release, but i really don't see leopard coming out next friday. i think there will be an announcement in the next day or so to announce that leopard will be out on november 16th, one week before black friday.

i really hope they don't delay it again, and i don't think they will

[mklos]

i'm kinda new to this apple os release, but i really don't see leopard coming out next friday. i think there will be an announcement in the next day or so to announce that leopard will be out on november 16th, one week before black friday.

Remember, there are 2 Fridays left in October. Next Friday isn't the last Friday. I don't see any reason why Apple would delay it again. Its not like there's 10 or 15 major issues to work out. There was one major issue with performing an upgrade with a PPC Mac. Then there were some minor issues that needed to be worked out like the WiFi and Safari issues. Both, if it doesn't make your Mac totally inoperable, could easily be fixed in a 10.5.1 update immediately after Leopard starts shipping.

[AppleWoW]

i really hope they don't delay it again, and i don't think they will

/agreed

The bugs they have said that were left werent major bugs and could be patched with 10.5.1

They delayed Leopard from April to now so they've had enough time to work on it...they'll get it out sometime in october even meaning the 31st if they so choose but im sure its time (and im sure its ready) to go GM!

[phillipjfry]

We should hear something either tomorrow, but definitely hear SOMETHING new by this friday. This week is just going to drag on forever, I can feel it

[AppleWoW]

Remember, there are 2 Fridays left in October. Next Friday isn't the last Friday. I don't see any reason why Apple would delay it again. Its not like there's 10 or 15 major issues to work out. There was one major issue with performing an upgrade with a PPC Mac. Then there were some minor issues that needed to be worked out like the WiFi and Safari issues. Both, if it doesn't make your Mac totally inoperable, could easily be fixed in a 10.5.1 update immediately after Leopard starts shipping.

got to it before me ;) dang :p

[twoodcc]

We should hear something either tomorrow, but definitely hear SOMETHING new by this friday. This week is just going to drag on forever, I can feel it

i agree here. hopefully something tomorrow though

[chrisdazzo]

Finally, Al Gore is off the Apple frontpage.

Guess what's on there now? :D








Nothing new.

[darthraige]

Stupid home page. Change already!

[Telp]

Stupid home page. Change already!

Seriously, im checking by every like 10 seoncds hahahaha. Do you think they will just spring it on us? or actually have an announcement from the middle of some desert telling us.

[swagi]

I used 10.4.0 and had no issues, to be honest 10.4.0 was more stable than 10.4.whatever came loaded on my intel iMac and 10.4.10 Intel.

Well, I used 10.4.0 and it introduced QuickTime 7. Man, that one gave me headaches. First off, I headed to the newly introduced HD-trailer section. Then I found out, I had some hickups on my PB G4 1,5 GHz while watching that trailer.

O.K., I thought to myself. So you have a measily 1.5 year old Powerbook, that won't run HD trailers. I then fired up a normal .mpeg I watched several times before and actually had the same hiccups. I found myself rolling back to QuickTime 6 on Panther or VLC on Tiger.

But QT 7 has improved :o

[vvebsta]

this sucks...leopard wont have Halo 3 :(

[darthraige]

Seriously, im checking by every like 10 seoncds hahahaha. Do you think they will just spring it on us? or actually have an announcement from the middle of some desert telling us.

Hopefully they just blind side us with it, with a date of release on main page. But I would love one final special media event demoing it one last time on a new MacPro that comes out with it. ;):D:):apple:

[Capt. Obvious]

this sucks...leopard wont have Halo 3 :(???

I love this: 'does the noise in my head keep you awake?' - classic stuff!

Of course it won't - operating systems aren't bundled with games for other platforms...it won't have chrome bumpers or tailfins, either.

[twoodcc]

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hopefully they'll just put it up on their site

[JFreak]

i really hope they don't delay it again, and i don't think they will

No, they won't. Actually they can't afford to, because if I remember correctly Steve made a joke about Microsoft delaying Vista over and over again. So if my memory serves me right, there's no chance Apple could delay Leopard again and get away with it.

It was already bad enough they had to delay it once. I myself consider being let down, because I planned to move from PowerBook to MBP in July (and I did) and a part of the plan was to get Leopard for free. Now I got neither. I have a strong temptation to only buy a single-user upgrade for my two computers :mad:

[chrisdazzo]

Now, everyone's hopes are riding on Tuesday, October 16th, and Friday, October 19th. I'm waiting for an announcement on Tuesday, personally. The lucky ones here though are the developers; they receive Leopard GM before it even hits the factory floor for production. Oh jealousy.

Even so, this is going to be the shortest Apple OS countdown we've ever seen. :D And the most exciting.

[darthraige]

Haven't poked around enough to see this anywhere, but, just came across it on "looprumors.com" ....

It appears that rumors of an October 26th Leopard launch may have been confirmed this weekend with an official notice that went out to Apple employees.

The notice to Apple retail store employees calls for "All hands on deck until midnight, Friday, October 26th."

[mcnaugha]

I have to be pedantic but the correct phrase, in the Software Industry, is "Golden Master" not "Gold Master". The latter is the term used in the music recording industry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_master

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_master


I've been working for Apple, testing prerelease OSes for a long time, and it's always been Golden Master. It's driving me crazy seeing idiots use the wrong term.

[Alloye]

I have to be pedantic but the correct phrase, in the Software Industry, is "Golden Master" not "Gold Master".

I hate to be pedantic, but periods belong inside quotation marks (http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/quotes.asp).

It's driving me crazy seeing idiots use the wrong term.

I'd hardly label anyone an idiot in this case.

[benpatient]

whether anyone is pedantic or not aside for a moment, please consider that the majority of the software industry doesn't say "Golden Master" and that saying that is the "correct" term is silly as it doesn't really have anything to do with gold. Most references to a release-to-manufacturing copy of a software application are simply "gold" or "went gold" or something like that. I haven't heard anyone use the term "golden master" in years. The developers of the two biggest software titles this fall referred to their shipping builds as "gold master" not "golden master" (Halo 3 and the Orange Box).

And yes, please do put your commas and periods inside your quotation marks where appropriate. It's very important.

[jackc]

I've been working for Apple, testing prerelease OSes for a long time, and it's always been Golden Master. It's driving me crazy seeing idiots use the wrong term.

Your smart

[Peace]

I have to be pedantic but the correct phrase, in the Software Industry, is "Golden Master" not "Gold Master". The latter is the term used in the music recording industry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_master

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_master


I've been working for Apple, testing prerelease OSes for a long time, and it's always been Golden Master. It's driving me crazy seeing idiots use the wrong term.

I do "similar" work and most engineers I communicate with refer to the Golden Master as "Master" or "GM" or Gold Master or even "Final Build".While technically it is indeed Golden Master the slang has become the main termonology.At least in my circle.

[Harpo]

I have to be pedantic but the correct phrase, in the Software Industry, is "Golden Master" not "Gold Master". The latter is the term used in the music recording industry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_master

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_master


I've been working for Apple, testing prerelease OSes for a long time, and it's always been Golden Master. It's driving me crazy seeing idiots use the wrong term.



I hate to be pedantic, but periods belong inside quotation marks (http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/quotes.asp).



I'd hardly label anyone an idiot in this case.

Periods CAN go outside quotation marks; sometimes, often in England, it is done according to sense. Say you're quoting from the middle of a sentence, and ending your own sentence with the quote, you might put the period outside; but if the thing you're quoting ends in a period, you would put the period on the inside. Thus:

Shakespeare said, "If music be the food of love".
Shakespeare said, "The play's the thing / Wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king."

(I don't know why one would ever say the first one, but it's an example.)

I think this way makes more sense in many cases, but of course you would be safer always putting punctuation inside quotation marks, since that is the rule more people are familiar with -- and as Professor Strunk says, it is always (I say usually) better to use the standard rules than the nonstandard.

One rule I think is more important to follow is to distinguish ignorance and stupidity. If someone doesn't know a trivial technicality such as the one in question, is he less intelligent for it? Less learned, even? --For, he might well be very knowledgeable in other fields. When we know a fact, it always seems obvious to us: how could it seem anything else? You either know it, or you don't -- you either understand it perfectly, or not at all. What facts are worth more than other facts?

[polyex]

Apple has been good about making sure developers have a fairly regular build to check for incompatibilities etc. with Leopard as well as to weed out bugs. Now that Leopard release is only 8 days away its sort of odd to me that Apple has not released this final build to developers. It does not make releasing the previous builds pointless, but if there is an incompatibility (or just a bug on Apples part) it seems that this version would obviously be the most important to have checked as its the actual release candidate that is going into the wild. Perhaps this will change, but it seems weird that Apple has not released anything and the ship date is coming closer. Even if something bad is found, and it can not stop the release, at least a patch can be made ready beforehand.

[elppa]

Apple has been good about making sure developers have a fairly regular build to check for incompatibilities etc. with Leopard as well as to weed out bugs. Now that Leopard release is only 8 days away its sort of odd to me that Apple has not released this final build to developers. It does not make releasing the previous builds pointless, but if there is an incompatibility (or just a bug on Apples part) it seems that this version would obviously be the most important to have checked as its the actual release candidate that is going into the wild. Perhaps this will change, but it seems weird that Apple has not released anything and the ship date is coming closer. Even if something bad is found, and it can not stop the release, at least a patch can be made ready beforehand.

Quite simple, piracy.

It would spread like wildfire across the file sharing sites.

It is not ideal for the developers, but I highly doubt anything will have changed between the last build and the GM which could break their apps.