Apple Officially Announces Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard

[viccles]

Thanks :D I ordered mine with the educational discount. Not much of a discount but hey might as well use it. Going to uni must count for something :)

[tivoli2]

It is a sense of entitlement and you know why? I'm blowing away 30,000 dollars a year to educate myself. For most people, that is a year's worth of salary. I deserve a decent cut on prices because of that.

You're being sarcastic, right?

I'm really looking forward to iChat screen sharing... that will make for some productive cross-country meetings, I tell you. Especially combined with iSight. Yow!:D

[CmdrLaForge]

When you click to look at all of the '300 New Features', resolution independence isn't one of them. It certainly isn't listed in the Graphics section. And I read over the whole list twice and didn't see it.
Same thought here. Would love to have an explanation.

[HLdan]

Being a student, I know that the extra $40 is a lot. I worked part time for almost a year just so that I can afford to buy a MBP- and I was proudly able to do so.

I worked a lot more to purchase a used car, and I am still working my butt off to pay for car insurance and gas- and other bills.

All my parents pay for are the meals- $100 a month. Thankfully I was able to get a scholarship to pay for tuition and rent.

So yes, $40 is a little too much when I am living on a shoestring budget....

With the $40 I can fill up my car to last me for two weeks...

I do agree that there are students who are living totally off their parents' money and they may not have a justifiable reason to whine, but for students who are earning on their own- I believe they do have a reason to whine.

Aww poor student, did you actually work your butt off as well for the 2 iPods you have as well in your signature?? Pay for Leopard and be quiet. :p

[MaliciousDesign]

I pre-ordered leopard!! Woo-hoo I am so pumped. I am a brand new Mac user...and what a great time to make the switch.

The only major problem I have with the current OS is iChat...which is sorely lacking in features.

[gnasher729]

$129 in US.

$173 in UK.

Apple is beginning to piss me off big time.

No, it is not $173 in the UK. It is £85. Of that £85, £13 is taxes. If you try to buy Leopard in any Apple Store in the UK with $173 in your grubby little hands, they will send you straight to the nearest bank where you can try to exchange the dollars into some real currency.

On the other hand, if you try to buy Leopard in any Apple Store in the USA with $129 in your fingers, guess what happens? They will send you off to get some more money, because the state sales tax is not included in the $129 price.

[thebassoonist]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

YEA! I am so stoked!

[MacSA]

Has anyone read the 300 new features page? Wow, what a load of crap that was. Russian localization: Yay! A new screensaver: Yay! Another new screensaver: Yay!

And the other 297 features?

[xUKHCx]

And the other 297 features?

Well there is actually 317 new features listed to start off with.

[Taylor C]

Leopard T-shirt ftw.

[MacsAttack]

Has anyone read the 300 new features page?


Yes. Was I the only one to think of....

THE SCENE - A grecian villa. Apple employees are tossing boxes of Windows Vista (various versions) into a large pit.

Steve Balmer: "This is madness!"

Steve Jobs: "NO! This is Leopard!"

[gnasher729]

By installing a single license OS on more than one computer, are you really breaking the law or are you just breaking the company's policy; in this case Apple?

It is copyright infringement, so it is breaking the law. Apple could take civil action against you and sue for damages (including statutory damages between $750 and $150,000). It is not a crime, unless you do more severe things like running an "install-leopard-for-$50-in-cash" service. So it wouldn't be the police coming after you, just Apple.

When you buy software, then by law you have the right to make the copies required to make use of the software (like installing it on _one_ harddisk, any copies that your computer makes in RAM when it executes the code etc.) and a backup copy. You usually have a license that can restrict or extend your rights.

Making a second copy without permission of the copyright holder is copyright infringement. Should you buy Leopard and install a single copy on a PC (against the EULA), that would _not_ be copyright infringement, that would be breach of contract; the contract that you made with Apple when you bought Leopard. Or if you bought a student copy when you are not a student, that would likely be fraud, but not copyright infringement.

[King Crimson]

If you want to speedup the time till Leopard is released, just go from the apple.de startpage to another and back a few times ...

The result (on my computer): the countdown runs about 10 times faster :D

Thats magic :eek:

Thats time machine 7.0, hehe :apple:

Cheers!

[xUKHCx]

Yes. Was I the only one to think of....

THE SCENE - A grecian villa. Apple employees are tossing boxes of Windows Vista (various versions) into a large pit.

Steve Balmer: "This is madness!"

Steve Jobs: "NO! This is Leopard!"

See you've been refining this image, and for the better.

[Aperture]

I just bought my pre-order. It would be cool to go to the Apple Store but since it will be delivered the same day I might as well avoid the rush. :) (& you get free shipping so you don't have much reason not to buy it online)

[ViperDesign]

not sure what you guys and gals are complaining about price wise! I paid $400 dollars for that POS vista ultimate!

Want to talk about mad lol 129 for a new OS as good as it will be, I am jumpin for JOY

[mattcube64]

I just bought my pre-order. It would be cool to go to the Apple Store but since it will be delivered the same day I might as well avoid the rush. :) (& you get free shipping so you don't have much reason not to buy it online)

But I'm hoping to get a free T-shirt...

[dogtanian]

But I'm hoping to get a free T-shirt...

"I paid £85 and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt"

[psychofreak]

"I paid £85 and all I got was this lousy T-Shirt"

and the best OS publicly available in the world :)

[Aperture]

But I'm hoping to get a free T-shirt...

Just make sure you get there early.

[macguysoft]

New icons! WOO HOO! :rolleyes: Seriously they are probably counting the icons as a "feature".

No....it's not even in the list :rolleyes:

[gnasher729]

Doesnt apple usually give a discounted price for people who bought previous versions of OSX?

Yes. The upgrade price is $129 in the USA, £85 in the UK.

Everybody buying the retail version of Leopard has already bought a previous version of MacOS X.

[powerbook911]

Amazon has it for $109. Cheaper than edu discount. Think Apple.com will price-match our orders?

[MacsAttack]

See you've been refining this image, and for the better.

The bit with Bill Gates as Xerxes is a little errr... disturbing though. :eek:

[LionMage]

There are two reasons that they keep reducing the student discount:
1. Non-students routinely take advantage of the discount.
2. Apple's marketshare among students has been rising rapidly
First off, it's an educational discount, not a student discount. The discount isn't just for students -- it's for faculty and staff of educational institutions (like the one I work for). Students aren't the only folks strapped for cash. When you work in academia, even as a "lowly" staff member, you typically make less money than other people who do comparable jobs outside of academia. (For example, I'm a software engineer working for a university. I know for a fact I'd make a far higher salary if I were working in any other segment of the IT industry.)

Educational discounts are a rare thing these days, and the few companies that offer them are doing a great service to those who work in academia. It's great that students are able to afford hardware and software that they otherwise couldn't afford, but it's also great that the people teaching these students can have access to cheaper equipment and software as well. Otherwise, faculty and staff couldn't keep up with the bleeding edge of technology and remain relevant. Besides, educational discounts are one of the few perks left to working in academia, and if it weren't for perks like these, even fewer people would be enticed to choose a teaching or school staff career.

It's hard for me to see how these discounts are being abused. Students, faculty, and staff together make up a very small proportion of the general buying population. I've noticed a lot of parents who are home schooling their children are using educational discounts to buy Apple hardware, but I don't see this as an abuse -- those parents need a break somewhere, since they are paying out of their own pockets to educate their kids in addition to paying taxes to subsidize everyone else's public education.

I've seen a lot of hateful responses to the above quoted comment, a lot of talk about people "abusing" the system and making prices less attractive for a lot of students. The truth is, student discounts have been steadily getting worse as profit margins on hardware get squeezed. Apple can no longer charge huge markups for what is essentially commodity hardware, even though Apple's hardware is very well engineered. This has been going on for years, and it's not going to stop anytime soon.

As for the price of Apple's software... I really don't think the erosion of the educational discount can be attributed to people "abusing" the system. I'd say this move is partly Apple's greed, and partly a reflection of the larger trend toward eliminating student discounts altogether. One can also argue for increased R&D costs. Most brick-and-mortar retailers have already eliminated these discounts, if they ever had them to begin with; with profit margins shrinking due to severe competition in the marketplace, there's less fat to trim. Hardware and software sold or donated below-cost is going to go straight to institutions, not to individuals.

[Prof.]

Okay, I ordered the family pack of Leopard it cost $211.44 (£104.10).

It says it delivers on the 26, does that mean it will be at my door on the 26? :confused:

Prof. :apple:

[valdore]

bah.... What a paltry and useless education discount... I'll bloody wait until the price drops.

[billchase2]

bah.... What a paltry and useless education discount... I'll bloody wait until the price drops.

yeah... not very happy about that either.

[J@ffa]

bah.... What a paltry and useless education discount... I'll bloody wait until the price drops.

You'll be waiting a very long time.

What I mean to say is, hell is quite hot.

[psychofreak]

yeah... not very happy about that either.

Here in the UK its not a bad discount at all...but Americans still pay less...

[THX1139]

Education discount is lame now. I remember when it was 79 dollars, now it's 116. Only 13 off the actual price...

Yeah, looks like the torrent sites are going to busy for awhile. Seriously, while it's not as much as Vista, 116 is a lot of money for a starving student.

[Peace]

Okay, I ordered the family pack of Leopard it cost $211.44 (£104.10).

It says it delivers on the 26, does that mean it will be at my door on the 26? :confused:

Prof. :apple:

Are you a Professor of English ?

[Prof.]

Are you a Professor of English ?

Why?

[LionMage]

Photo Booth requires an iSight camera (built-in or external), USB video class (UVC) camera, or FireWire DV camcorder; and an Intel or PowerPC G5 processor. Backdrop effects require an Intel Core Duo or faster processor. Backdrop effects when using a DV camcorder require fixed focus, exposure, and white balance.

OK, my PowerBook G4 just misses two new features. I was expecting every machine with the Leopard could get the Photo Booth...and no Backdrop effect...:(
I hope this is merely an unintentional omission on Apple's part, but it probably isn't. Either Apple didn't have the engineering resources to devote to writing optimized PPC code to do the backdrop stuff, or else they deliberately withheld the feature from PPC users to stimulate migration to Intel-based Macs. Looks as though even Apple isn't immune to the temptation to use artificially restricted software requirements to drive hardware sales. Since Apple makes most of their money off hardware, they have an incentive to do this.

There might be a small chance of this feature being made available to PPC users in a future Leopard update... but I wouldn't bet money on it.

[gusapple]

Are you a Professor of English ?

Hmm, hard one.:D But, seriously, I want to pre-order too, but if it won't be here until the 29 or later, I'm not buying it online, I'm going to Salt Lake.

[Peace]

Why?

"It says it delivers on the 26, does that mean it will be at my door on the 26?"

That's kind of self-explanatory isn't it? I mean if they say "delivers on the 26th" I'd guess that means at your door unless you have it delivered to some other address :p

[antdgar]

Excellent. Usenet here I come...

Screw getting it for £6 when you can get it for free ;)

[Rodimus Prime]

If apple reasoning for killing off the EDU prices is because of abuse then apple has no one to blame but themselves. All apple would of had to done is just tighten the reins on it and I don't know verify to make sure the person was a student. It is not that hard to do. Require them to send in a copy of there student ID and a copy of their transcripts. Also that makes it pretty easy to make sure it is not getting abused.

I bet the increase cost of doing that would be greatly off set by a reduction in the number of EDU orders.
Now copies of Leopard sold on college campus you know for a fact are students buying them. School are supposed to check to make sure you are a student. My college checks to make sure and then also make sure I am not buying more than I am allowed 2 in a given time frame.

But really bashing people complaining about it price increase because they own such and such. Some one said I was complain about it saying I am sitting on my 2k computer.... Um yeah I paid 1500 for my desktop 3.5 years ago when I built it and my Macbook is 2 years old. It is not like I have money to burn. School and basic living expensive are covered by my parents but anything else has to come out of my own pocket and those funds are dangerously low.

$80 is borderline if I can afford to pay for it 120 pushes it out of my current price range and yes it will be a while before i buy it. That extra 40 bucks to me, a date with my girlfriend, or just repairs and maintenance for my bike (Mtn biking has a tenancy to break equipment) With my Saving already in the danger zone I am going to hold off. I figure I just take that 80 I was debating about it with and go send it funding my biking.

[Prof.]

"It says it delivers on the 26, does that mean it will be at my door on the 26?"

That's kind of self-explanatory isn't it? I mean if they say "delivers on the 26th" I'd guess that means at your door unless you have it delivered to some other address :p

Oh. I see your point :o

No, I am not a Professor of English. I am not a professor anything. My username is "Prof." because people called me Prof. in school. I don't know why, I guess they thought I was REALLY SMART. ;)

I guess the joke's on them! lol.

Prof. :apple:

[sosumi1981]

Student pricing seems to be $116, wheras if you buy as faculty/staff at the individual purchases store, it's 69.00. That's at any university, and explains the Cornell U. post.

[Muzzway]

I hope Leopard miraculously fixes the problems with the Al iMacs' graphics.

[billchase2]

Student pricing seems to be $116, wheras if you buy as faculty/staff at the individual purchases store, it's 69.00. That's at any university, and explains the Cornell U. post.

how do you prove you're faculty/staff? how does that work? i'm in grad school and am a TA and teach three different classes. i'm not technically faculty/staff... but i am a paid employee of the university...

[nvbrit]

I hope Leopard miraculously fixes the problems with the Al iMacs' graphics.

I hope Leopard miraculously fixes the leaky pipe in my bathroom

[LionMage]

A lot of software engineers use MacBooks and MacBook Pros. I was at a recent software conference in Seattle where every single presenter (OK, with maybe one exception, though I don't think I attended any of that guy's talks) had a MacBook Pro. Even the Microsoft guy had a MBP! The presenters were almost uniformly in favor of rank-and-file developers buying Apple hardware, because of the OS and the quality of the hardware.

On the other hand, at least one presenter did a show-of-hands poll (not scientific, but useful for ad hoc trend discovery), and saw that most developers were developing for Java 1.4 or Java 5... the two JVMs that OS X Tiger supports. A small handful were developing for Java 6, to which the speaker said, "Ah, I bet none of you guys are using Macs for your development environment." Indeed, while most audience members had MacBooks or MBPs, these people all had other laptops.

Java 6 has been in the works for some time now. Apple's Java engineers discussed the early access beta almost two years ago at JavaOne. (That beta is no longer available at http://developer.apple.com/java/.)

Although the most recent WWDC hinted that Leopard would feature a 64-bit JVM, they didn't explicitly mention in the public materials whether this was Java 6 or just Java 5. (I also read somewhere else that this 64-bit JVM would only be available on Intel and not PPC, which is a slap at the G5 workstation and Xserve owners out there.) Those who have attended these WWDC sessions can't say anything because they are under NDA, which leaves developers like me in the dark.

When Tiger was released, Java 5 was a highly touted feature. If Java 6 doesn't make it to Leopard, I will be seriously disinclined to upgrade to Leopard, nor will I likely purchase a new Apple laptop. (I'm in the market for a new laptop now, and I'm holding off until I find out about MacBook updates and whether Leopard has Java 6.)

That Apple has omitted almost all mention of Java in the promotional materials for Leopard is worrisome. A large number of MacBook Pro sales are to software developers, especially developers doing Java and Ruby on Rails. They mention Ruby and Rails development in Xcode, but don't mention Java 6... what does that tell you?

Sun could step up and start producing a JDK for OS X, but they don't currently. Apple has been maintaining the Java port for OS X because they do a lot of custom things to make Java integrate better with the OS, and it would be a pity if that tight integration disappeared. But after being told by Apple's engineers at JavaOne in '06 that the days of Java releases lagging so far behind other platforms was a thing of the past, this is a worrisome development. I know Leopard's delay was partly due to the iPhone rollout. But after recently discovering that Apple decided to deprecate the Java-Cocoa bridge, I started to worry. With this feature list announcement, I have even more reason to worry.

I suspect that if Leopard doesn't give us any Java 6 support (and I don't even care if it's a 64-bit JVM or not), I won't be buying any more Mac portables anytime soon. I've already held off on Java 6 development for a year waiting for an official release for OS X. I suspect a lot of developers will be thinking the same thing.

Kind of odd. I never thought a software announcement from Apple would have such a profound effect on my choice of what laptop to buy. Yeah, I know I could buy a MB or MBP and throw Linux or even (ugh) Windows on it... but what's the point of buying a Mac if not to run OS X? I could spend less money on a commodity laptop and throw Ubuntu on it, and be productive.

[psychofreak]

One thing I find odd is that Leopard Server has a much nicer default background than regular Leopard...and it shows off the menubar better:

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tuaw.com/media/2007/10/leopardserversbm10162007.jpg

[vohdoun]

I hope Leopard miraculously fixes the leaky pipe in my bathroom


...and, peace on earth and goodwill toward men, and women.

One thing I find odd is that Leopard Server has a much nicer default background than regular Leopard...and it shows off the menubar better:

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tuaw.com/media/2007/10/leopardserversbm10162007.jpg

The pink one is fugly as sin. I wouldn't mind getting my hands on that wall for Leopard itself.

[reckless_0001]

One thing I find odd is that Leopard Server has a much nicer default background than regular Leopard...and it shows off the menubar better:


I completely agree! :confused:

[psychofreak]

The pink one is fugly as sin. I wouldn't mind getting my hands on that wall for Leopard itself.

Hopefully it will be in the backgrounds folder with Leopard :)

[machou]

A lot "....." and be productive.

Ok, so I kind fo see why it bothers you for your work..but are you willing to abandon OS X and change platform for your personal/home usage non work related ?

Hell, in my work we have to use windows..but outside work when I use a computer I would never trade OS X for anything else...at least not for the current choices (be it Linux or Windows).

[DwayneWayne]

Also made my purchase today - I thought it was a little bit too expensive, but I guess it will make it worth my cents :)

[broncoball]

if me and five friends buy the family pack will we be able to install it on all five of our computers. Also will it work if some are intel and some ppc.

[Eidorian]

if me and five friends buy the family pack will we be able to install it on all five of our computers. Also will it work if some are intel and some ppc.1. No
2. Yes, it'll work on PowerPC and Intel

[goosnarrggh]

Whats a real load of crap, is buying Windows Vista; especially when you can get this OS X update for fraction of the cost.

In all seriousness...
Vista will eventually overtake Windows XP in terms of installed userbase. But it will never happen as a result of upgraders, rather it will just be due to attrition once you can no longer buy PCs with XP pre-loaded.

I suspect that retail sales of Windows Vista as a standalone product will never add up to a hill of beans. Why? Because, with appropriate accessories (which should have been included with the OS for free, can you say Anti-Virus? ...oh well...) XP works just fine for most users. There's just no overriding incentive to upgrade. And when the time comes to finally replace your PC, the replacement will likely come with an OEM copy of Vista preloaded.

Microsoft and most 3rd party vendors will likely continue releasing new application software that works with XP for years to come still. (MS only stopped providing official support for Windows 2000 with its current-version Office software this year. Most 3rd party software you can buy off the shelf still supports Windows 98.)

An interesting question that comes to my mind is this: This forum is frequented by a disproportionate number of technical-minded people who actually understand what an OS is. As such, there's little surprise that the majority of users are at least interested in the possibility of upgrading to Leopard. But in the population at large, what percentage of Macintosh users are actually going to make the upgrade? And out of all the people who don't, how many are actually going to experience a tangible harm as a result of not upgrading?

if me and five friends buy the family pack will we be able to install it on all five of our computers. Also will it work if some are intel and some ppc.
Is there any technical measure that Apple could take to prevent you from installing it on all five computers? Probably not.
Is it permissible or legal? If all of your friends who get in on this are roommates, then I'd guess the answer would be yes. (Assuming that you actually meant you and 4 friends, not you and 5 friends. Remember, 5 + 1 = 6. :p ) Otherwise, no.

[ppfd]

Why don't you all that are crying over the lack of a substantial discount from Apple just buy Leopard from Mac Mall? Someone posted it earlier here, price was $106.00 U.S. For the record I am a full time Nursing Student and work a full time job. Quit the damn crying! Its not like your Mac wont run with out Leopard.

How many of you ran out and bought an iphone when they first came out?

Me I'll wait a few months for the bugs to get worked out. I dont need to be the first on the block with the new os. Heck I'm the only one on the block with a mac!:D

[MacinDoc]

if me and five friends buy the family pack will we be able to install it on all five of our computers. Also will it work if some are intel and some ppc.
It will work, but it is a violation of the EULA for the Family Pack, which is explicitly for computers used by members of the same immediate family residing in the same household.

Regarding the questions about whether 10.5 will be delivered on the 26th for pre-orders made today, the answer, from past experience, is yes (at least for most communities). Apple will be sending it out in time to arrive on that date.

[vohdoun]

Hopefully it will be in the backgrounds folder with Leopard :)

One thing though. Even if it is there or its obtainable somewhere. My biggest gripe with that was is it is not smooth at the top and bottom. Its grainy like a lot of the image has lost its goodness.

If its still like this for release. Bleh! Not that it would matter anyway as I'd probably end up using something else. Even still though, I love smooth walls.

[HLdan]

Yeah, looks like the torrent sites are going to busy for awhile. Seriously, while it's not as much as Vista, 116 is a lot of money for a starving student.

Then a "starving student" shouldn't even be able to pay $69. Come on man, get real!

[synth3tik]

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/HPM/FM2060~Family-Guy-Quagmire-Posters.jpg

Alright!

[goosnarrggh]

if me and five friends buy the family pack will we be able to install it on all five of our computers. Also will it work if some are intel and some ppc.

It will work, but it is a violation of the EULA for the Family Pack, which is explicitly for computers used by members of the same immediate family residing in the same household.
Unless Apple changes its family pack license from what it traditionally has been, that's not strictly true.
It allows personal use for any 5 individuals who happen to share a single dwelling place (plus students who would normally dwell there but are temporarily living living on-campus during the school year).

Immediate family relations are not a listed requirement.

[nvbrit]

Then a "starving student" shouldn't even be able to pay $69. Come on man, get real!

Does anyone not think that someone with a full time job and family with a mortgage, and utilities and other bills and groceries to buy and car insurance and gas for a car etc etc etc could also find $129 expensive but there is no "Has a job, a family and lots of bills to pay discount". We could have just as much of a cash flow problem as a student, or even worse and yet we still have to pay full price and don't whine about it.

[tekboi]

This is good and all. Will Loepard be able to run all of the 10.4 applications. If not, there is no way i'm getting this.

[reckless_0001]

This is good and all. Will Loepard be able to run all of the 10.4 applications. If not, there is no way i'm getting this.

Uh, yah... :confused:

It's up to software publishers if they will make NEW software L"oe"pard only, but all current 10.4 software should work.

Are you new, by chance?

[goosnarrggh]

This is good and all. Will Loepard be able to run all of the 10.4 applications. If not, there is no way i'm getting this.

Back when OSX was still in its infancy, it wasn't unheard of for some applications to rely on unstable APIs which changed from one version to the next and broke forward compatibility. The software publishers would have to release a new version that would work on the updated OS, or else the application died on the vine. I'd expect that by now virtually all of those sorts of issues will have been resolved.

So will all your applications that worked under Tiger be able to run unmodified with Leopard? I'll go out on a limb and give a very enthusiastic "probably"!

[sblasl]

With 300 new features in Leopard, how come nothing is mentioned regarding support/enhancements of the iPhone? There are a lot of people on these forums that are hanging their hat that Leopard is going to provide them with numerous enhancements to the iPhone.

Have I missed something?

[Schtumple]

So will all your applications that worked under Tiger be able to run unmodified with Leopard? I'll go out on a limb and give a very enthusiastic "probably"!

I 2nd that probably :D

[nvbrit]

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[Peace]

With 300 new features in Leopard, how come nothing is mentioned regarding support/enhancements of the iPhone? There are a lot of people on these forums that are hanging their hat that Leopard is going to provide them with numerous enhancements to the iPhone.

Have I missed something?

Yes.

You've missed about X thousands of people hacking away at their iPhone causing Apple engineers to work more hours.

[Half Glass]

I think it is funny that so many are complaining about the cost of the OS.

I am constantly arguing with my friends about why I had to pay so much more for Macs than equivalent PCs.

I'm in the market for a computer that will handle games for the kids and the stuff I fiddle with...photos, video, etc..

$1400 for the decent (not the entry) iMac? That's where my gripe is. I love it and I will buy one eventually, but for a "basic desktop" (using laptop parts), that's expensive.

$129 for the OS...how about $500 more in hardware?

Nevertheless, I can't wait for my copy of Leopard to arrive.


--HG
MBP 2.16 CD2
eMac

[sblasl]

Actually the possibility exist that some may not work if they depend on specific drivers or extensions. Many audio applications may exhibit issues as has been the case in the past. If the developer has been on top of things then the likelihood will be diminished, but the possibility does exist.

BTW, nice spelling.

This is good and all. Will Loepard be able to run all of the 10.4 applications. If not, there is no way i'm getting this.

Uh, yah... :confused:

It's up to software publishers if they will make NEW software L"oe"pard only, but all current 10.4 software should work.

Are you new, by chance?

[nvbrit]

What the hell?????? An hour or two? This isn't VISTA!!

[reckless_0001]

$129.00 dollars is incredibly cheap for a FULL (ultimate) OS. Even if you are a student. Foo to you guys complaining about the price. Go buy Vista... oops sorry it costs more, so you can't afford that either. :D

[nvbrit]

$129.00 dollars is incredibly cheap for a FULL (ultimate) OS. Even if you are a student. Foo to you guys complaining about the price. Go buy Vista... oops sorry it costs more, so you can't afford that either. :D

or you can pick up Windows 3.11 on ebay for a couple of bucks

[MacinDoc]

Unless Apple changes its family pack license from what it traditionally has been, that's not strictly true.
It allows personal use for any 5 individuals who happen to share a single dwelling place (plus students who would normally dwell there but are temporarily living living on-campus during the school year).

Immediate family relations are not a listed requirement.
Oops, my mistake, "persons who share the same housing unit such as a home, apartment, mobile home, or condominium, including student members who are primary residents of that household but reside at a separate on-campus location".

This does not include friends who live in the same building, just those living in the same apartment or condominium.

Edit: I suppose this would apply to students living in a frat house, if it was their primary residence. It also applies to students living away from home whose families have purchased the Family Pack.

[psychofreak]

What the hell?????? An hour or two? This isn't VISTA!!

You do have to transfer GBs of data from a spinning disk...

[nvbrit]

You do have to transfer GBs of data from a spinning disk...

Spinning disk???!! .....no one said anything about a spinning disk!! :eek:

[Tim117]

Does anyone know how many GB's this will take up on my machine.

[psychofreak]

Spinning disk???!! .....no one said anything about a spinning disk!! :eek:

I'm just saying that its not that simple a process...two hours of your life isn't dreadful...

[nvbrit]

You do have to transfer GBs of data from a spinning disk...

I'm just saying that its not that simple a process...two hours of your life isn't dreadful...


yes I know, I really wasn't being all that serious... :rolleyes:

[nvbrit]

Does anyone know how many GB's this will take up on my machine.

all of them!

[goosnarrggh]

Does anyone know how many GB's this will take up on my machine.

The system requirements call for 9 GB of free disk space.
But remember, those 9 GB probably also include several GB of replacement files for stuff that is currently in Tiger. Once you clean your old Tiger installation out, you may find that 9 GB footprint isn't actually as bad as it seems up front.

[Tim117]

all of them!

http://www.schube.org/images/liar.jpg

[MacinDoc]

or you can pick up Windows 3.11 on ebay for a couple of bucks
Or OS X 10.1. You can't compare the price of a new OS to an antiquated one.

And anyone wanting to use Windows 3.11 should do so at their own risk. It has nowhere near the security of Windows XP or Vista.

[Rodimus Prime]

$129.00 dollars is incredibly cheap for a FULL (ultimate) OS. Even if you are a student. Foo to you guys complaining about the price. Go buy Vista... oops sorry it costs more, so you can't afford that either. :D

you mean $10 it cost me to get Vista (ultimate full verson) is more than $129.00 you pay for an Upgrade of OSX. Wow my math skills must really suck because I do not see how 129 < 10

[Tim117]

The system requirements call for 9 GB of free disk space.
But remember, those 9 GB probably also include several GB of replacement files for stuff that is currently in Tiger. Once you clean your old Tiger installation out, you may find that 9 GB footprint isn't actually as bad as it seems up front.

Righto.

[nvbrit]

Does anyone know how many GB's this will take up on my machine.

Here's the specs from the Apple website

[nvbrit]

Or OS X 10.1. You can't compare the price of a new OS to an antiquated one.

And anyone wanting to use Windows 3.11 should do so at their own risk. It has nowhere near the security of Windows XP or Vista.

anyone WANTING to use Windows 3.11 in 2007 needs to have their head examined!

[cohibadad]

With 300 new features in Leopard, how come nothing is mentioned regarding support/enhancements of the iPhone? There are a lot of people on these forums that are hanging their hat that Leopard is going to provide them with numerous enhancements to the iPhone.

Have I missed something?

Note sync through .Mac is the only thing I see listed out of the box. I've been using it since the latest seed and love it.

What the hell?????? An hour or two? This isn't VISTA!!

it has taken less than an hour everytime I've installed a seed either archiving and installing, updating or clean installing (although the timer initially said up to a couple hours initially) on PPC Dual G4 or C2D.

[reckless_0001]

you mean $10 it cost me to get Vista (ultimate full verson) is more than $129.00 you pay for an Upgrade of OSX. Wow my math skills must really suck because I do not see how 129 < 10

Uhhh, retail price. :o Math?

Mac OS X Leopard 10.5
$129.00

Microsoft Vista
Full versions
Windows Vista Home Basic: $199
Windows Vista Home Premium: $239
Windows Vista Business: $299
Windows Vista Ultimate: $399
Upgrade versions
Windows Vista Home Basic Upgrade: $99
Windows Vista Home Premium Upgrade: $159
Windows Vista Business Upgrade: $199
Windows Vista Ultimate Upgrade: $259

[beg_ne]

That box looks pretty sweet too! Does anyone think the Leopard DVD will be in a nice DVD case with a similar design on it?

Unfortunately Apple really seems to care about packaging...except when it comes to software it seems. I really hate having the big bulky cardboard box and those uber-cheap paper sleeves. :(

[Hairball]

Or OS X 10.1. You can't compare the price of a new OS to an antiquated one.

And anyone wanting to use Windows 3.11 should do so at their own risk. It has nowhere near the security of Windows XP or Vista.

I'm sure it was only a joke ...

[villanova329]

Ahhhh preordered=)

The next 5 weeks are going to be awesome!!!


iPod Touch to be delivered tomorrow

Leopard 10.5 (preordered) - 10/26/2007

Time Shift (reserved and paid off) - 10/30/2007

Crysis (reserved and paid off) - 11/13/2007

Apple Airport Extreme - BLACK FRIDAY

[HLdan]

you mean $10 it cost me to get Vista (ultimate full verson) is more than $129.00 you pay for an Upgrade of OSX. Wow my math skills must really suck because I do not see how 129 < 10

That's because Microsoft can't even give that crap away. :D

[FadeToBlack]

Pre-ordered it the minute I seen the announcement. Nice!! :)

Can't wait!

[viccles]

This might seem like a stupid question but its the retail version of Leopard you buy right? Just want to make sure I ordered the right one :)

http://store.apple.com/133-622/WebObjects/australiastore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=7E4EB91E&nplm=MB021Z/A

[nvbrit]

This might seem like a stupid question but its the retail version of Leopard you buy right? Just want to make sure I ordered the right one :)

http://store.apple.com/133-622/WebObjects/australiastore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=7E4EB91E&nplm=MB021Z/A

There IS only one version of Leopard, other than the server version. The family pack is also the same version but has a multi user license, so yes you bought the right one for a single user.

[gusapple]

I'm not sure what to do... Should I go to the Apple Store and feel the hype, or should I pre-prder online? Hmm... Does anybody know if Leopard will be huge in Utah? If so, ca some Utah Mac fans say if they are going down.... I don't want to get down there and be the only one. I've only really cared about operating systems since I first heard of Leopard and said, "Huh, I could use that." I don't know. But, again can you Utah Mac fans just say if you are going to the Apple Store? (NOTE: You don't have to, but it would be appreciated if you would. ˆ'm not some psycho who will come to your house.):p

[viccles]

There IS only one version of Leopard, other than the server version. The family pack is also the same version but has a multi user license, so yes you bought the right one for a single user.

Thank you :)

[Tim117]

Thank you :)

Anyday.

[zim]

Okay... I read up to post 21 and saw no mention of this so I will post, sorry if it is a repeat... Amazon is offering 10.5 for $109.00, which beats edu and regular pricing :)

http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Mac-Version-10-5-Leopard/dp/B000FK88JK/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-6877768-6423612?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1192581696&sr=8-1

[nvbrit]

Anyday.

Uhm, he/she was thanking me! :rolleyes:

[iDAG]

My bday is on the 23rd!:( I guess I'll just have to wait a few days longer to get a new MacBook:)

[tonyC4L]

does this space-looking background mean no more grass? i liked the grass...

[Tim117]

Uhm, he/she was thanking me! :rolleyes:

:confused::eek:

:p

[psychofreak]

does this space-looking background mean no more grass? i liked the grass...

Yes, that has been the case for some time now...

[gusapple]

does this space-looking background mean no more grass? i liked the grass...

I think that I've seen some screenshots of Leopard with grass desktops. Although, if Leopard doesn't come with grass, I'm sure some fan will post up all of the old desktop pics.

EDIT: If you were making a poke at Windows, then that's good. I thought that you were talking about the ladybug on the grass.

[reckless_0001]

does this space-looking background mean no more grass? i liked the grass...

Grass will still be a desktop that it comes with it, but the space one will be the default.

[psychofreak]

Grass will still be a desktop that it comes with it, but the space one will be the default.

I like the move to space, but the default pink one isn't very nice IMO...

[viccles]

Uhm, he/she was thanking me! :rolleyes:

She was, and thanks again :) I only need one license since my mac mini doesn't get much use. I'd rather put Leopard on my beautiful MBP :)

[Loudwater]

Steve, PLEASE let me know when the new MacBook is coming...PLEASE!

[twoodcc]

I like the move to space, but the default pink one isn't very nice IMO...

i like the move also. the pink one isn't too bad. so there is more space ones?

[LukeAP88]

Does anyone have/know where I can find the space background in the new screenshots? I know Leopard comes out in 10 days, but I want that background until then!

[Loudwater]

Also... I realized Apple adjust the Leopard price for Canadian stores according to the current exchange rate. Hopefully when the new MacBook comes out in November, it'll reflect the same thing. The current MB prices are still the old ones which are $100-$200 higher than the US prices. Just a wish... =)

[tooshaggy]

I used my iPhone rebate on a pre-order. I guess I will be installing on ground zero after all.

[Prof.]

Will Leopard overwrite the old operating system?

[Taylor C]

Will Leopard overwrite the old operating system?

Yes.

[reckless_0001]

Will Leopard overwrite the old operating system?

Not if you choose "Archive and Install" option. It will rename the existing system folder and install a brand new one.

[ingenious]

And where's this "Complete Package" thing they promised with IR receivers, Front Row (in Leopard), and iSights?

[Prof.]

Not if you choose "Archive and Install" option. It will rename the existing system folder and install a brand new one.

So in other words, I'll have to choose the "Erase and Install" option?

I'm 85% okay with that.

prof. :apple:

[Eidorian]

So in other words, I'll have to choose the "Erase and Install" option?

I'm 85% okay with that.

prof. :apple:You can always upgrade.

[Martin C]

Sorry for the n00b question, but after Leopard is released, do all new Macs come with Leopard and iLife '08?

[reckless_0001]

Sorry for the n00b question, but after Leopard is released, do all new Macs come with Leopard and iLife '08?

That's the way it's been in the past. SO my guess is yes. :D

[reckless_0001]

So in other words, I'll have to choose the "Erase and Install" option?

I'm 85% okay with that.

prof. :apple:

I'm pretty sure, but not 100%. When you do "archive and install" it copies the system settings from the other folder. Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't remember for sure.

[reckless_0001]

Yeah it does, but in this case I think somethings might be reset to default. Not sure.

Yah, I think you're right. The things it resets to default are probably necessary for initial system stability and experience. Which makes sense.

[nvbrit]

i like the move also. the pink one isn't too bad. so there is more space ones?

Its NOT pink, it's more purple and plasma-ish

[queshy]

Any chance of it being delivered on the thursday? Or do they hold them til friday or something?

Hmm..anyone up for guessing how many copies of leopard were sold today? I say a few thousand...but I'm not quite sure.

[reckless_0001]

Any chance of it being delivered on the thursday? Or do they hold them til friday or something?

Hmm..anyone up for guessing how many copies of leopard were sold today? I say a few thousand...but I'm not quite sure.

I'd like to know too. I paid for the (expedited) fast shipping, so does that mean I should get it before that friday? Since the free shipping says it will deliver on that friday. hmm..?

[isalex]

I just placed my order for leopard, I am so stoked!! :)

[KingYaba]

One thing I find odd is that Leopard Server has a much nicer default background than regular Leopard...and it shows off the menubar better:

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tuaw.com/media/2007/10/leopardserversbm10162007.jpg

The blue is a lot nicer.

[Prof.]

I just placed my order for leopard, I am so stoked!! :)

Me too. I can't wait! 9 days 20 hours until Leopard! :p

Prof. :apple:

[KingYaba]

Just clicked the Leopard advertisement on MR's main page and placed my order on Amazon.

[PCMacUser]

I'll just get my company to buy me a copy when it comes out. I'm not sure it's worth NZ$200 of my own money :)

[thestaton]

ordered up! can't wait till next week!

[Telp]

Just ordered using my iphone discount. I cant wait till oct. 26!!!

:apple::apple::apple::apple:

[jackc]

Can't wait for 10.5.2, gonna be awesome!

[Sweetfeld28]

If its anything like Tigers release, people should start recieveing Leapord on Thursday, or even Weds; if they were some of the first people to order online.

[queshy]

If its anything like Tigers release, people should start recieveing Leapord on Thursday, or even Weds; if they were some of the first people to order online.

Receiving it thursday would be nice!

[Iroganai]

As a Japanese, the addition of Japanese and English-Japanese dictionaries alone is huge ! It alone costs $50 or something if you buy it separately, right ? How much does it cost to get New American Oxford Dictionary and Thesaurus digitally ?

Anyhow, thank you for paying for my Japanese dictionary, you guys :)

[FadeToBlack]

The blue is a lot nicer.

It looks awesome! I wonder if that blue version will come with the regular (non-server) version of Leopard. If not, I'm sure I can find it somewhere. It looks great.

[MagnusVonMagnum]

Sorry if someone asked this already (I'm not prepared to read 888 replies to the thread to look for it), but I'm curious about the 867 Mhz G4 minimum speed given this used PowerMac I have is a DUAL 553MHz G4 (with both CPUs, it's overall throughput is not far off from a 867Mhz, IMO and Leopard is better for more than 1 CPU). I've also heard Leopard is FASTER than Tiger, so why put an artificial clock speed limit on Leopard?

Yes, I plan to get a newer Intel Mac once I find one with a decent GPU, but I don't plan to throw out this old one until it's useless to me either. I just know how much software I ran into when it had Jaguar that I couldn't run just because authors didn't bother to support older operating system revisions and I'm afraid it will be the same with Leopard over Tiger in time (like by next spring, otherwise useful utilities, etc. might not even bother supporting Tiger). Heck, will the non-beta Safari even support Tiger? Who knows. But unless I add a CPU accelerator board to this PowerMac, it apparently won't be running Leopard.

[messedkid]

i was playing WoW on tiger...when my brother started downloading in the next room ( on his windows machine ), so my WoW connection gets all messed up. so i quit and come on here to read the news.



preordered 30 seconds later :D



bad = connection not good enough to play WoW when ppl are downloading

good = LEOPARD!!!!!

[mackiwi]

Yay! only 8 days 22 hours for us in New Zealand!

http://www.apple.com/nz/

[BWhaler]

I will probably wait until 6pm and just buy it in the store.

But I did pre-order Leopard Server today.

I just need to ensure that I get all of my work done over the next two weeks so I can play on Leopard Day... :-)

[nvbrit]

Yay! only 8 days 22 hours for us in New Zealand!

http://www.apple.com/nz/

it doesn't matter which localized version of the Apple site you go to online, the countdown time will always be adjusted based on your local time wherever you are, so in the US even visiting the NZ site we still see the time as 9 hours 18 minutes right now

[luminosity]

If you have a Rev. B MBP, Leopard will be fully 64 bit for you, right?

[stingandclear]

finally they announce the date, no more guessing. Will there be a MB update anytime soon?

[swagi]

Now I just started reading the "300+ new features"-page, and I don't know what the hell the marketing departement did there. Just some great advertising from that page:

2 new features:
"Mouse Controls for Exposé
Control Exposé with any button on your mouse. Specify the mouse controls in the Exposé and Spaces pane in System Preferences."

"Mouse Controls for Dashboard
Launch your Dashboard widgets with any button on your mouse. Specify the mouse controls in the Exposé and Spaces pane in System Preferences."

Well, I'm pretty damn sure I have my middle mouse button set to do Exposé currently, and I'm also pretty sure the same applies to Dashboard on another machine.

And in some cases I really think they should've kept quiet. I wasn't aware, that some things won't work in Tiger, I consider basic (e.g. autosaving in TextEdit, removing history items periodically in Safari).

Nevertheless, I will get it, as soon as an updated version is sent to DVD pressing (I guess that will be around 10.5.3).

[samh004]

Apple just sent me an e-mail:

Dear Apple Customer,

Thank you for placing your Leopard OS order with the Apple Store.

You would have received an Apple Web Acknowledgment Email from us by now.

We would like to inform you that there is an amendment to our Leopard online FAQ web link. You can visit our new web link at :

http://store.apple.com/Catalog/Hongkong/Images/leopard_faq_hk.html

Thank you for choosing Apple!

I can't tell what they changed ? Maybe just the blurb about Leopard (expected) shipping at the end of October ?

If you have a Rev. B MBP, Leopard will be fully 64 bit for you, right?

A Core 2 Duo chip will be 64-bit, anything before that wont be (except, I guess, a G5).

[richard.mac]

just saw the announcement last night... SO PUMPED!
just pre-ordered the single user. IF it comes to my doorstep on october 26th ill be at uni so ill probably miss the fedex guy. so ill have to go to the post office at the airport to pick it up. unless someone else whos home can sign for it? can you do that?

i reckon im just gonna do an upgrade first so i can play around with leopard in maximum fastness. ill clone my system before the upgrade and do i proper erase and install later on... i just wanna play around with it first and get my first TM backup done.

heres the leopard countdown on my dashboard in tiger... webclip style

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2027/1595971765_d788e489bf.jpg

[carlocodamus]

will it be installable in an ibook g4?
---------------------------------
Multimedia (http://www.codamus.com) everything!!

[writeous]

Im estatic! I wasnt really planning on buying Leopard until late November/December, because I was saving to get some more ram, but I was quite disappointed to see that that education discount was only like 15 bucks or so. So from a suggestion from another post, I went to the up to date page on Apples site just to see what it would say when I entered my serial number. And to my delight, I saw it was only $9.95! I immediatly purchased it just incase they updated their system or something, noting all purchases before Oct 1 (The date they list that you are entitled to the 9.95 update price) lol. So I urge anybody who atleast purchased their Mac's in September to try also.

I purchased my MBP Sept 7, 2007 I might add.

[Ludde]

As a Japanese, the addition of Japanese and English-Japanese dictionaries alone is huge ! It alone costs $50 or something if you buy it separately, right ? How much does it cost to get New American Oxford Dictionary and Thesaurus digitally ?

Anyhow, thank you for paying for my Japanese dictionary, you guys :)

I'm Swedish, but I was VERY glad to see the inclusion of Japanese dictionaries in Leopard. I'd love them to add Korean dictionaries as well, but I guess that might take a while. Ah well, the Japanese dictionaries will be extremely helpful nonetheless :D

[samh004]

will it be installable in an ibook g4?
---------------------------------
Multimedia (http://www.codamus.com) everything!!

If your iBook G4 is 867MHz or faster then sure.

[DoFoT9]

If your iBook G4 is 867MHz or faster then sure.

is 1.2ghz better than 867mhz???:p

[Project]

Now I just started reading the "300+ new features"-page, and I don't know what the hell the marketing departement did there. Just some great advertising from that page:

2 new features:
"Mouse Controls for Exposé
Control Exposé with any button on your mouse. Specify the mouse controls in the Exposé and Spaces pane in System Preferences."

"Mouse Controls for Dashboard
Launch your Dashboard widgets with any button on your mouse. Specify the mouse controls in the Exposé and Spaces pane in System Preferences."

Well, I'm pretty damn sure I have my middle mouse button set to do Exposé currently, and I'm also pretty sure the same applies to Dashboard on another machine.

And in some cases I really think they should've kept quiet. I wasn't aware, that some things won't work in Tiger, I consider basic (e.g. autosaving in TextEdit, removing history items periodically in Safari).

Nevertheless, I will get it, as soon as an updated version is sent to DVD pressing (I guess that will be around 10.5.3).

I don't know... Autosaving in a basic, free-with-the-OS text editor is not common.

TextEditor is becoming quite useful. Spell check, grammar check, ODF support, autosave etc...

[joepunk]

I never even knew that there was a student discount. Go figure :rolleyes: (@me, not any of you or apple)

Anyone heard about any sort of store event like what they did for Tiger? I'll try to read/search through the 32 pages of this thread.

[twoodcc]

I never even knew that there was a student discount. Go figure :rolleyes: (@me, not any of you or apple)

Anyone heard about any sort of store event like what they did for Tiger? I'll try to read/search through the 32 pages of this thread.

yes there is supposed to be a Leopard event at 6PM in all the apple stores

[Fuzzy14]

yes there is supposed to be a Leopard event at 6PM in all the apple stores

That's 6pm local time so we'll have it installed when you'll still be having your lunch!:)

Kidding on because I've got a clunky old iMac G3 so Tiger is the end of the road for it. :(

Good excuse to go and get a MacBook for my birthday/Christmas :D

[cogsinister]

I purchased my MBP Sept 7, 2007 I might add.

Sept 24th here....:mad:

[whenpaulsparks]

Just noticed this most of the way down on the 300+ new features page...

Hot Corner for Sleep Display

Get more use out of those hot corners. In addition to launching Exposé or starting a screen saver, you can now use hot corners to put your display to sleep.


Does this mean FINALLY there's a way to put an iMac's display to sleep?!?!

[igazza]

I sincerely hope you're joking. Otherwise you could be insulting several students on the boards, me being one of them.

students should be doing there homework right ? not playing with leopard :apple:

[Eidorian]

students should be doing there homework right ? not playing with leopard :apple:Playing with Leopard and trying to work 40 hours a week. :cool:

[FrenchPB]

One of my friend is going to the US to visit a friend next week. I'll purchase Leopard on amazon at $109 and have it delivered at his friend's place. That's
76.68€. If I'd have bought it in France, I would have paid 129€ !!! That's over 40% off !!!

WOOOHOOOOO :p

[DrGruv1]

As for the price of Apple's software... I really don't think the erosion of the educational discount can be attributed to people "abusing" the system. I'd say this move is partly Apple's greed, and partly a reflection of the larger trend toward eliminating student discounts altogether. One can also argue for increased R&D costs. Most brick-and-mortar retailers have already eliminated these discounts, if they ever had them to begin with; with profit margins shrinking due to severe competition in the marketplace, there's less fat to trim. Hardware and software sold or donated below-cost is going to go straight to institutions, not to individuals.


Apple's greed is changing my opinion and loyalty to them... usr since '92 - they always 'came through' for me in the past - now it seems they just want to 'stick it to us'

Example: iphone initial price..

[samh004]

is 1.2ghz better than 867mhz???:p

Sure is :D

One of my friend is going to the US to visit a friend next week. I'll purchase Leopard on amazon at $109 and have it delivered at his friend's place. That's
76.68€. If I'd have bought it in France, I would have paid 129€ !!! That's over 40&#37; off !!!

WOOOHOOOOO :p

There was an online article a few weeks ago using iPod's to show changes in prices over the world. The article listed a lot of countries concluding the cheapest spot for a 4GB nano (USD$149) was Hong Kong (cheaper than the US) and the most expensive Brazil (more than double).

My point in all of this ? The Leopard copy I pre-ordered cost me $128, for the standard version. I saved $1 off the US-listed price. :)

Maybe for smaller companies - I would agree - but apple is posting record profits...

Just because a company is making a lot of money right now doesn't mean they should lower their prices because your not... don't you know how the world works ?

[autrefois]

Apparently Leopard doesn't include spell-check.

In the list of 300 features (http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/300.html), under Parental Controls:

"Dynamic Web Filter
Protect your children from websites with unsuitable content. Apple technology automatically trys to detect inappropriate content and prevents those web pages from appearing."

"trys"?!

The big question is, does it protect children from unsuitable spelling? :p

[glennyboiwpg]

Receiving it thursday would be nice!

Isn't it illegal for the shipping company (i'm guessing its UPS) to deliver it before the release date? how can people have gotten tiger before the release date?

[psychofreak]

Isn't it illegal for the shipping company (i'm guessing its UPS) to deliver it before the release date? how can people have gotten tiger before the release date?

Companies make mistakes...remember the early Halo 3 releases (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/09/19/argos_breaks_halo3_release/) only a few weeks ago?

[glennyboiwpg]

Companies make mistakes...remember the early Halo 3 releases (http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/09/19/argos_breaks_halo3_release/) only a few weeks ago?

One can hope that they make a mistake on me... i'd love my leopard on wednesday night!

[Whiskerdreams]

As a Japanese, the addition of Japanese and English-Japanese dictionaries alone is huge ! It alone costs $50 or something if you buy it separately, right ? How much does it cost to get New American Oxford Dictionary and Thesaurus digitally ?

Anyhow, thank you for paying for my Japanese dictionary, you guys :)

Your welcome... Anytime...

[psychofreak]

One can hope that they make a mistake on me... i'd love my leopard on wednesday night!

Me too...I've had a few software surprises like that, the best of which was a day early GTA San Andreas delivery :)

[AaronHeth]

I'm a college student paying for everything on my own.

I bought Leopard at $116. Was I dissapointed? A bit. Am I going to whine about it? No!

I'm getting a discount, on an already comparitively cheap piece of wonderful software that I am choosing to PRE-ORDER. Come on people! It isn't even out yet--why make a big deal about the cost and you not being able to afford it? Wait, then! It's called priorities. If you need money for groceries, buy groceries. You don't "need" a new operating system. Tiger works wonderfully.

You're in the real world now, everything isn't handed to you at half cost. Be glad you get anything off, and be glad you have the opportunity to go to school and actually considering purchasing a piece of software (even before it's out) and posting on a forum about how sad you are that it'll cost a bit more.

[Roessnakhan]

I'm a college student paying for everything on my own.

I bought Leopard at $116. Was I dissapointed? A bit. Am I going to whine about it? No!

I'm getting a discount, on an already comparitively cheap piece of wonderful software that I am choosing to PRE-ORDER. Come on people! It isn't even out yet--why make a big deal about the cost and you not being able to afford it? Wait, then! It's called priorities. If you need money for groceries, buy groceries. You don't "need" a new operating system. Tiger works wonderfully.

You're in the real world now, everything isn't handed to you at half cost. Be glad you get anything off, and be glad you have the opportunity to go to school and actually considering purchasing a piece of software (even before it's out) and posting on a forum about how sad you are that it'll cost a bit more.

Thank you for that! I feel exactly the same way.

[FadeToBlack]

Just noticed this most of the way down on the 300+ new features page...

Hot Corner for Sleep Display

Get more use out of those hot corners. In addition to launching Exposé or starting a screen saver, you can now use hot corners to put your display to sleep.


Does this mean FINALLY there's a way to put an iMac's display to sleep?!?!

Yes, that's AWESOME! I've wanted that to be built into the OS ever since I got my first Mac. (an eMac)

I found this awesome app called Dockables (http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/25415) that lets you put icons in your dock for sleep, restart, display sleep, etc. I don't have it in my dock, though. I assigned the display sleep to a keyboard shortcut using QuickSilver. It's a good solution to use until Leopard arrives. I've been using it a while now.

[HLdan]

will it be installable in an ibook g4?
---------------------------------
Multimedia (http://www.codamus.com) everything!!

Yes, as long as your iBook's processor is at least an 867Mhz G4.

[Iroganai]

One of my friend is going to the US to visit a friend next week. I'll purchase Leopard on amazon at $109 and have it delivered at his friend's place. That's
76.68€. If I'd have bought it in France, I would have paid 129€ !!! That's over 40% off !!!
Yeah, but if you include the airfare in the price ... ;)

Coming back to Dictionary.app,
I'd love them to add Korean dictionaries as well, but I guess that might take a while.
I've heard the rumor that the format for Dictionary.app is now open,
so let's hope someone write a converter from other formats to the one
Dictionary.app understands. I already have quite a few digital dictionaries,
and it's cumbersome to use two dictionary apps !

[Warbrain]

I just got word that my department at my University in which I work is getting Leopard to test before installing it. I'm already beginning to work my way into helping out with it so that I can get a copy...

[None Such]

You gotta love students with a Macbook pro and Photoshop CS3 complaining about $40. And half act like they're so impoverished that they stand in lines waiting for bread or something. If that's the case buying an operating system shouldn't even be a consideration. I think it sounds kind of odd for the typical student to be buying an operation system anyway. Tiger is grrrreat! And will do fine for your needs.

[HLdan]

Apple's greed is changing my opinion and loyalty to them... usr since '92 - they always 'came through' for me in the past - now it seems they just want to 'stick it to us'

Example: iphone initial price..

The thing is you'll have to understand that times have changed and Apple is no different than any other company trying to branch out. I've been a Mac user as well since Mac OS 8.5 and I remember when Apple was struggling to bring the Mac back. Companies that are small will always go out of their way to please their customers to keep business.
Apple is now like Microsoft (but still in a good way), they are now a big company and you have to admit that Apple is now the king of multimedia. Sony gave up the throne. Apple makes multimedia fun but you can't expect them to stay without profit as they are no longer a small company.

Enjoy the fact that Apple still trusts their customers in a way where Leopard won't require activation or serializing or having to call Apple to get permission to reinstall OS X if you need to reformat or requiring you call Apple to transfer the license to another computer. So just realize that Apple is overall still a cool company.

[nvbrit]

I never even knew that there was a student discount. Go figure :rolleyes: (@me, not any of you or apple)

Anyone heard about any sort of store event like what they did for Tiger? I'll try to read/search through the 32 pages of this thread.

There is going to be an event at Apple stores from 6pm - 10pm on the 26th, the first 500 people get a Leopard t-shirt

Here's the info on apple.com http://www.apple.com/retail/?cid=AOS-AM-113334-C0003792-A10000084911

[TigerPRO]

Must... be... first... in... LINE!!!

[vassillios]

You gotta love students with a Macbook pro and Photoshop CS3 complaining about $40. And half act like they're so impoverished that they stand in lines waiting for bread or something. If that's the case buying an operating system shouldn't even be a consideration. I think it sounds kind of odd for the typical student to be buying an operation system anyway. Tiger is grrrreat! And will do fine for your needs.

I agree. But think about the fact that most of this stuff (software and/or hardware) is probably required and may be covered by Grants, or loans. I have been out of college for 12 years now...but I can remember when $40 was a HUGE deal...and I didn't have a computer back then (only engineering students had computers and they were those old boxy macs).

[luke_s]

How nice of Apple to out a £20 ($40) premium on top for UK customers :(

no, they're just being fair, some time ago it was $2000 for a powerbook in the US and 2299€ in europe, now they make $=€, and btw they still make 30% more profit :mad:

its the same with the iphone $399=399€?????? i have to talk to my bank maybe they exchange $ for € also on a 1:1 basis? ;)

[nvbrit]

no, they're just being fair, some time ago it was $2000 for a powerbook in the US and 2299€ in europe, now they make $=€, and btw they still make 30% more profit :mad:

its the same with the iphone $399=399€?????? i have to talk to my bank maybe they exchange $ for € also on a 1:1 basis? ;)

It's not just Apple, all computers, software and other electronics are more expensive in Europe... often the $ sign is just changed to a £ sign in the UK so something that costs say $100 becomes £100 which converts back as almost $200... it's always been that way, I am from the UK and we always had to deal with higher prices on everything there, I've been in the US for the past 10 years and there's a big difference across the board, certainly not just something Apple is doing

[cbiker]

Purchased MacPro on Oct 6 tried Leopard up to date tryed to verify and they say they cant find SN now what.

[nvbrit]

no, they're just being fair, some time ago it was $2000 for a powerbook in the US and 2299€ in europe, now they make $=€, and btw they still make 30% more profit :mad:

its the same with the iphone $399=399€?????? i have to talk to my bank maybe they exchange $ for € also on a 1:1 basis? ;)

Purchased MacPro on Oct 6 tried Leopard up to date tryed to verify and they say they cant find SN now what.

I had the same problem, so I am not sure whether it will need to be mailed in or something else.

[Roy Hobbs]

Purchased MacPro on Oct 6 tried Leopard up to date tryed to verify and they say they cant find SN now what.

Call :apple:

[voyagerd]

Look what else came out for pre-order...

http://homepage.mac.com/ericliskay/Tiger.jpg

[psychofreak]

Purchased MacPro on Oct 6 tried Leopard up to date tryed to verify and they say they cant find SN now what.

Did you copy it directly from the System Profiler?

[mattcube64]

I agree. But think about the fact that most of this stuff (software and/or hardware) is probably required and may be covered by Grants, or loans. I have been out of college for 12 years now...but I can remember when $40 was a HUGE deal...and I didn't have a computer back then (only engineering students had computers and they were those old boxy macs).

Exactly. My university requires a Mac laptop, so they include that in the tuition price so you can use loans/grants/aide/scholarships towards the purchase.

And lets be honest... *lots* of college students who have CS3 or FCP probably didn't pay for it... ;)

EDIT: For the record, I'm upset they upped the price, for sure. I'm attending college entirely on my own tab, AND have a $300 car payment on top of other bills that I have to work continuously to pay for.. Nevertheless, I'm not pissed at Apple. Just means I may not be able to get it the day it comes out... Maybe a Christmas present?

[blakereese]

I have a question that I know is probably lame, but I am a newbie...:o

Anyway, I was planning to buy a new MacBook when Leopard came out. Now that I have been reading this thread I am wondering...would it be better to just get the MB now and then upgrade for $10 later, or wait the few weeks and get the MB with Leopard preinstalled. I am not real tech savvy, so I'm not sure what to think about possible bugs or if I should be worried about system stability?? :confused:

Thanks for any help with this. :)

[jackc]

I have a question that I know is probably lame, but I am a newbie...:o

Anyway, I was planning to buy a new MacBook when Leopard came out. Now that I have been reading this thread I am wondering...would it be better to just get the MB now and then upgrade for $10 later, or wait the few weeks and get the MB with Leopard preinstalled. I am not real tech savvy, so I'm not sure what to think about possible bugs or if I should be worried about system stability?? :confused:

Thanks for any help with this. :)

I think the better question is whether you want to wait for the next MacBook update or not, but we don't know exactly when it'll be. If you're going to buy now, I'd probably spend the $10 on Leopard and then you'll have Tiger if you want to run that for a little while. But I wouldn't worry too much about running Leopard only when it comes out.

[BriChi]

I think the better question is whether you want to wait for the next MacBook update or not, but we don't know exactly when it'll be.
especially since this "Rumor" just came along
http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/17/apples-got-a-new-13-inch-laptop-prepped-for-leopard-launch/

[ivi7]

I just got word that my department at my University in which I work is getting Leopard to test before installing it. I'm already beginning to work my way into helping out with it so that I can get a copy...

Same here going to get Leopard at work to do all the testing. Really excited about it though :)

[cbiker]

Did you copy it directly from the System Profiler?
Yes but decided to pre order family pack for other macs in family

[tonyC4L]

im from australia and just saw the announcement last night... SO PUMPED!
just pre-ordered the single user. IF it comes to my doorstep (australia) on october 26th ill be at uni so ill probably miss the fedex guy. so ill have to go to the post office at the airport to pick it up. unless someone else whos home can sign for it? can you do that?

i reckon im just gonna do an upgrade first so i can play around with leopard in maximum fastness. ill clone my system before the upgrade and do i proper erase and install later on... i just wanna play around with it first and get my first TM backup done.

heres the leopard countdown on my dashboard in tiger... webclip style

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2027/1595971765_d788e489bf.jpg

how'd you do that?

[nvbrit]

how'd you do that?

looks like he used webclip in Leopard although he says he's running tiger :confused:

[Warbrain]

looks like he used webclip in Leopard although he says he's running tiger :confused:

Yea, he's totally using Leopard and trying to ******** us.

[nvbrit]

Yea, he's totally using Leopard and trying to ******** us.

well he could have created the webclip in leopard and then copied the widget over to a mac running tiger

[greenmeanie]

Money waiting.

[Eidorian]

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[psychofreak]

Yea, he's totally using Leopard and trying to ******** us.

Dash Clipping (http://www.fondantfancies.com/blog/3001239/) is a Webclip rip-off for Tiger...

[Bosox3]

For the students who are crying...This is just Sad. If you cant afford it..you dont get it..SIMPLE! You dont need to do anything you are currently doing on your mac now. Nobody is forcing you to buy it now, so just wait till you can afford it.

[Warbrain]

For the students who are crying...This is just Sad. If you cant afford it..you dont get it..SIMPLE! You dont need to do anything you are currently doing on your mac now. Nobody is forcing you to buy it now, so just wait till you can afford it.

You're completely ignorant. You do realize that for many students this is the LAST version of OS X that their computers might run because of Apple's growing lack of support for the PowerPC processor. I want to purchase it but because I, unlike many Mac users, am spending 30,000 dollars a year on my education. When I spend that much money and essentially am promoting Apple all over my university, I deserve a better cut then 13 dollars.

[Bosox3]

You're completely ignorant. You do realize that for many students this is the LAST version of OS X that their computers might run because of Apple's growing lack of support for the PowerPC processor. I want to purchase it but because I, unlike many Mac users, am spending 30,000 dollars a year on my education. When I spend that much money and essentially am promoting Apple all over my university, I deserve a better cut then 13 dollars.


Ignorant?? Like I said...You dont NEED it...you Just WANT it.
If you cant afford it...you dont NEED to buy it. Buying it or not doesnt effect you passing any classes in your schooling.

seems very simple to me.

[phillipjfry]

...
Yeah I expect this OS release of apple to have a true pirating problem. I believe apple is going to have a very noticeable lost to pirating. Heck I would not be surprised to see future releases of OSX to have anti-pirating activation crap in them because of increase in pirated versions of leopard that will be out there.

Maybe Apple is beating people to the punch and charging students more for EDU since they think that a good amount of them that buy it, will spread it around the local uni? :confused: Just a thought

Umm, so what was the "secret" that Jobs spoke of when making the initial OS 10.5 announcement. All, but dropped?

Steve came on stage and proclaimed "There is no spoon." Everyone freaked.

:p

[Multimedia]

You gotta love students with a Macbook pro and Photoshop CS3 complaining about $40. And half act like they're so impoverished that they stand in lines waiting for bread or something. If that's the case buying an operating system shouldn't even be a consideration. I think it sounds kind of odd for the typical student to be buying an operation system anyway. Tiger is grrrreat! And will do fine for your needs.Dumbest part of their argument is that almost all the college bookstores are still going to sell it for $69. So they are really complaining about nothing. Turns out that the $116 price at the online Apple Ed Store does not translate to the same higher price at the college and university stores - including some of their online stores as well. Still only going to cost $69 in the real brick & mortar academia stores.

[nvbrit]

Yea, he's totally using Leopard and trying to ******** us.

You're completely ignorant. You do realize that for many students this is the LAST version of OS X that their computers might run because of Apple's growing lack of support for the PowerPC processor. I want to purchase it but because I, unlike many Mac users, am spending 30,000 dollars a year on my education. When I spend that much money and essentially am promoting Apple all over my university, I deserve a better cut then 13 dollars.

I am spending $30,000+ a year on my mortgage and bills and to feed and clothe my family. So becuase I spend so much money just to live my life, does that mean that I deserve a discount too? If I do, then where is my discount and maybe I should start whining about not getting one too!

[nvbrit]

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October 26, 2007 18:00:00 a.k.a ZERO HOUR


that's just a script, it doesn't do anything by itself

[jackc]

You're completely ignorant. You do realize that for many students this is the LAST version of OS X that their computers might run because of Apple's growing lack of support for the PowerPC processor. I want to purchase it but because I, unlike many Mac users, am spending 30,000 dollars a year on my education. When I spend that much money and essentially am promoting Apple all over my university, I deserve a better cut then 13 dollars.

Wow, all of that 30K is going towards promoting Apple? I think you at least deserve a free MBP for your trouble.

[nvbrit]

Wow, all of that 30K is going towards promoting Apple? I think you at least deserve a free MBP for your trouble.

I would like to know how he thinks he's promoting Apple? Just by using their product? In that case we are all promoting all the companies products that we use and should all get discounts on everything!

[Stuipdboy1000]

Just pre-ordered the Family Pack. Says it will be here by the 26th, which is great! But for those expecting to see the package on your doorstep when you get home, heed the warning:

Delivery Note:
Most shipments require a signature on delivery. However, we offer an easy way to sign for your package even if you can't be present. Click here for details.

Might want to fill out the signature form if you aren't going to be home...... Would hate to see teary-eyed posts from people who didn't know, and missed the delivery.

Does this work worldwide or just on the Apple US store? If not, how do you do it on the UK store?

[La Porta]

About the Pirating: Mac OS has been tossed around for years (especially when it was System instead of Mac OS). I remember getting the newest OS on a series of floppies back when...and those were a heck of a lot easier to get a hold of than now. Think about it: back then, everyone had an 800k or 1.4 MB drive. Now, with 10.5 coming out on DL discs, only those of us that have purchased a Mac within the last year and a half could even potentially burn one of those. Unless some guy is cranking out mass copies of this thing for everyone, I think the usual amount of distribution is going to take place. One guy buys it, gives it to 2 or 3 people, and that's it. There is no reason to think that there will be massive distribution.

[crossifixio]

Well am a student and I paid my £58 and was more than happy to do so. I work three days a week to support myself and I think £58 for an OS is amazing. I cant wait to get it through the post and then I will be off to apple regent street for the launch party Yeah :D :D :D

[samh004]

Apparently Leopard doesn't include spell-check.

In the list of 300 features (http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/300.html), under Parental Controls:

"Dynamic Web Filter
Protect your children from websites with unsuitable content. Apple technology automatically trys to detect inappropriate content and prevents those web pages from appearing."

"trys"?!

The big question is, does it protect children from unsuitable spelling? :p

The feature you quoted is to stop your children for accessing pr0n, not bad spelling. And spell check was included with Tiger so it stands to reason that it will be included with Leopard, it's just not a new feature :rolleyes:

looks like he used webclip in Leopard although he says he's running tiger :confused:

His desktop looks a lot like "Grass".

Maybe Apple is beating people to the punch and charging students more for EDU since they think that a good amount of them that buy it, will spread it around the local uni? :confused: Just a thought

They will do now, that's for sure.

[Thertel88]

I have 2 questions

What time should I get to the apple store in the Palisades Mall to get a decent spot on line?

What type of things do they do to hype up the event at the store? Contests?

[Quillz]

Just noticed this most of the way down on the 300+ new features page...

Hot Corner for Sleep Display

Get more use out of those hot corners. In addition to launching Exposé or starting a screen saver, you can now use hot corners to put your display to sleep.


Does this mean FINALLY there's a way to put an iMac's display to sleep?!?!
I used to use a third party app called the LightMe Daemon in Tiger that let you hit a keystroke to put the display to sleep. But it's nice to see this behavior is built right in to Leopard.

[aafuss1]

Does this work worldwide or just on the Apple US store? If not, how do you do it on the UK store?

The Australian store (shipping by TNT) doesn't have it-so might be US only

[DwayneWayne]

I have a question... although you guys may not be able to answer it :)

I have an pre-order on leopard - I live in Denmark. Will I receive leopard on the release-date? It would be heartbreaking not to be able to use leopard on release, and then see all you guys playing with it! :)

[psychofreak]

I would like to know how he thinks he's promoting Apple? Just by using their product? In that case we are all promoting all the companies products that we use and should all get discounts on everything!

I actively tell my friends they should get a Mac whenever they're thinking of getting a new computer...having a Mac in class is waaaaay more promotive than that; tons of people who sat next to me at the beginning of last school year (when I first got the Macbook) made comments about how bad Macs are, now they all want or own one...

[twoodcc]

I actively tell my friends they should get a Mac whenever they're thinking of getting a new computer...having a Mac in class is waaaaay more promotive than that; tons of people who sat next to me at the beginning of last school year (when I first got the Macbook) made comments about how bad Macs are, now they all want or own one...

yeah i know what you mean. people are always looking at my with my mac in class :cool:

[Lone Deranger]

Indeed. These complaints are trivial. What's even more bizarre is that the most vocal of complainers here have wasted a lot of time bashing away in this thread trying to gain sympathy. Time they could instead have used up more productively by working some extra hours to earn the $40-50 needed.

I also agree with Bosox3. You don't need it... you want it. It is that simple.

No sympathy here... sorry... :cool:

Dumbest part of their argument is that almost all the college bookstores are still going to sell it for $69. So they are really complaining about nothing.

[Zadillo]

The feature you quoted is to stop your children for accessing pr0n, not bad spelling. And spell check was included with Tiger so it stands to reason that it will be included with Leopard, it's just not a new feature :rolleyes:

Umm, I think you missed the joke - his point was that Apple's feature description included a typo (trys instead of tries).

-Zadillo

[tmoney468]

I am spending $30,000+ a year on my mortgage and bills and to feed and clothe my family. So becuase I spend so much money just to live my life, does that mean that I deserve a discount too? If I do, then where is my discount and maybe I should start whining about not getting one too!

You're missing the point though...you have a full-time job and probably get paid a fairly good amount. Not to mention your wife probably also works and earns a salary. A student on the other hand either has no time to work, or has to work to try to pay off his or her loans/school bills. I know for me when I was in college, I didn't have time to get a job because I had practice in the AM before classes, and practice in the PM after classes, then I would eat dinner and then go back to my dorm and do homework...so I didn't really have time to get job, sorry.

So for you to compare yourself to a student isn't really relevant.

[nvbrit]

You're missing the point though...you have a full-time job and probably get paid a fairly good amount. Not to mention your wife probably also works and earns a salary. A student on the other hand either has no time to work, or has to work to try to pay off his or her loans/school bills. I know for me when I was in college, I didn't have time to get a job because I had practice in the AM before classes, and practice in the PM after classes, then I would eat dinner and then go back to my dorm and do homework...so I didn't really have time to get job, sorry.

So for you to compare yourself to a student isn't really relevant.

No, the point is you don't have to be a student to be short on cash.... people out in the 'real world' also have cash flow issues, just becuase I have a job doesn't mean I can instantly afford anything. I get paid ok but nothing wonderful, my wife does not work and i have two children. We mostly live from paycheck to paycheck, and so $129 for the new OS is a big deal to me it is more than I can afford all at once and so I will need to save up to get it. My point is, I am perfectly ok with paying $129 even though I can't afford it, I think it's a wonderful price and I don't think I or any one else deserves a discount from Apple just becuase of their personal financial situation wether they are a student or otherwise.

[zim]

No, the point is you don't have to be a student to be short on cash.... people out in the 'real world' also have cash flow issues, just becuase I have a job doesn't mean I can instantly afford anything. I get paid ok but nothing wonderful, my wife does not work and i have two children. We mostly live from paycheck to paycheck, and so $129 for the new OS is a big deal to me it is more than I can afford all at once and so I will need to save up to get it. My point is, I am perfectly ok with paying $129 even though I can't afford it, I think it's a wonderful price and I don't think I or any one else deserves a discount from Apple just becuase of their personal financial situation wether they are a student or otherwise.

I agree with tmoney468. Edu prices are set for the purpose of gaining users as well as aiding in costs. Also, it is good to note that they offer edu price to educators and government officials as well. The purpose here, again, isn't just finical but also to build a user group and they want college students because most likely they will carry on into their adult life with the os.

All that said, it is important to note that amazon is offering a better deal then the edu price so I don't see the point to this argument.

[Bosox3]

I agree with tmoney468. Edu prices are set for the purpose of gaining users as well as aiding in costs. Also, it is good to note that they offer edu price to educators and government officials as well. The purpose here, again, isn't just finical but also to build a user group and they want college students because most likely they will carry on into their adult life with the os.

All that said, it is important to note that amazon is offering a better deal then the edu price so I don't see the point to this argument.

there may be a better deal on amazon..but theres still people crying its not cheap enough.

[zim]

there may be a better deal on amazon..but theres still people crying its not cheap enough.

No one is saying that they, or anyone, is required to upgrade. So I don't see it being an issue... yet at the same time, I am not defending Apple's price. I also believe that offering edu pricing is a good thing. People will cry regardless, yet others will see it as being a good deal, it is all subjective.

[HLdan]

No, the point is you don't have to be a student to be short on cash.... people out in the 'real world' also have cash flow issues, just becuase I have a job doesn't mean I can instantly afford anything. I get paid ok but nothing wonderful, my wife does not work and i have two children. We mostly live from paycheck to paycheck, and so $129 for the new OS is a big deal to me it is more than I can afford all at once and so I will need to save up to get it. My point is, I am perfectly ok with paying $129 even though I can't afford it, I think it's a wonderful price and I don't think I or any one else deserves a discount from Apple just becuase of their personal financial situation wether they are a student or otherwise.

Well said, many people have financial obligations that restrict them from spending money on extras and toys. It's not just limited to students. Tiger is a great OS. I beg to differ that a starving student needs features in Leopard to get through school. It's only a want, not a need.

[nvbrit]

Well said, many people have financial obligations that restrict them from spending money on extras and toys. It's not just limited to students. Tiger is a great OS. I beg to differ that a starving student needs features in Leopard to get through school. It's only a want, not a need.

Eaxactly.... I don't need Leopard either, and I know I won't be able to afford it the day it comes out but I want it and I'll eventually get it once I have enough money saved.

[Exodemia]

I'm a student and have just purchased Leopard, iLife '08 and iWork '08 from the Apple Store UK. I had no hesitation in purchasing them and got a nice discount :)

[MacLair]

I'm a student and have just purchased Leopard, iLife '08 and iWork '08 from the Apple Store UK. I had no hesitation in purchasing them and got a nice discount :)

Don't you mean you pre-ordered Leopard, or have they released it early in the UK?

[Exodemia]

Yeah pre-ordered/purchased, released 26th.

[Project]

Yeah pre-ordered/purchased, released 26th.

How much did you pay? Did you use the NUS store?

[Exodemia]

£50 exc. VAT. No I went into a chat session with on Apple Store and woman added discounted items to a basket which I then checked out with. So if you aren't on campus you can do that to buy your discounted stuff.

[elizaontheice]

If we order Leopard from Apple, will it ship on Friday, or will we receive it on Friday?

[Telp]

If we order Leopard from Apple, will it ship on Friday, or will we receive it on Friday?

It says delivery so im hoping it means well get it on the 26th.

[FadeToBlack]

My status says "Prepared For Shipment!!" :)

[Karpfish]

Prepared for Shipment! Might ship monday!

[Sweetfeld28]

Mine is prepared too! I can't wait til Friday, or earlier.

[ViperDesign]

Well I officially pre-ordered this today. Says it delivers on the 26th even with my free shipping (gotta love free shipping).

I LOVE the fact that the OS is beyond cheap! After wasting almost 500 on vista ultimate, it is a breath of fresh air to only pay 137 after taxes!

This looks very promising as well. Can't wait.

[ingenious]

just ordered the family pack!

[Westside guy]

The University of Washington's bookstore is going to be selling it for $69 - same as before. :D :D :D

So if you're faculty, staff, or a student at UW - walk up the Ave to get it. Don't order it online.

[Legacy]

I have just noticed that the 'megahertz' limitation probably doesnt apply to dual-core G4 systems. If you have a look at this page:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=306687

It says that a Dual G4 at 800MHz suffices to initiate a 10-person audio conference.

1) To initiate one must obviously have a copy of Leopard. Therefore it WILL install on Dual 800MHZ G4 systems.

2) This may mean that the megahertz limitation doesnt apply to dual-core G4 systems.

3) The requirement seems to be equated to a 1GHz single core G4. Therefore it seems that probably one may be able to run leopard on systems with slower, dual core processors.

[ucfgrad93]

While I'm excited about Leopard, I'll probably wait and get it as a Christmas gift to myself. ;)

[AJClayton]

Logged on this morning to start a pre-Leopard backup going while I'm at work and noticed I'd got a shipped e-mail for Leopard in my in-box! Woo Hoo!!! :p

The delivery estimate is 26 October but this looks good for people like me in the UK who thought we *might* have to wait until Monday. Who knows it may even arrive today!!! (Thursday) but Friday is good enough for me :)

It's almost a shame I'm out on the beers on Friday night and won't get to install until Saturday while I'm recovering.

[DoFoT9]

just got an email.. its been shipped :) here within 2 working days
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[FadeToBlack]

Mine shipped today. It's in Illinois, with a scheduled delivery date of tomorrow. Looks like I'll be doing some backing up tonight, so I'll be ready to install it tomorrow. :)