Penryn Based Mac Pros Soon?

[pianoplayer1]

I can't wait. Although these Pros are expensive they last soooo long.

Any suggestions for a display because if apple doesn't update the ACDs I might want to find another one.

[gugy]

it will happen next week guys, I can feel the vibe!:D

My Quad G5 has many, many problems:mad:, Apple already promised a new replacement machine if I send it back to repair. I am waiting for the new MacPro in order to take advantage of the latest. Oh my

[Jade Cambell]

If it doesn't happen 13th or 14th, I'm flying down to California and striking. :D

Better book your tickets now. Apple is definitely waiting for MWSF to release an update this large. New Mac Pro's and Cinema Displays. Probably redesigned enclosures on both ends. They wouldn't do that as a silent update in the middle of november.

[jrlcopy]

Commmonnnnnn stupid apple. I don't want to deal with my macbook as my main computer for another damn month and a half!

[gugy]

Better book your tickets now. Apple is definitely waiting for MWSF to release an update this large. New Mac Pro's and Cinema Displays. Probably redesigned enclosures on both ends. They wouldn't do that as a silent update in the middle of november.

Possibly,

but MWSF has been very consumer centric in the past few years. I think the enclosure and displays will still have the same design. So an ordinary Tuesday update will not be an issue.
I think Apple is holding for MWSF for AppleTV 2.0 , iPhone 2.0 and the ultra-portable. we'll see.

I think if Intel is delivering the chips next week, why would Apple hold more than 45 days to introduce such machine. Plus businesses would take advantage of the end of the year tax deductions to buy new machines. I still have high hope for an update this year.

[pozzitron]

Possibly,

but MWSF has been very consumer centric in the past few years. I think the enclosure and displays will still have the same design. So an ordinary Tuesday update will not be an issue.
I think Apple is holding for MWSF for AppleTV 2.0 , iPhone 2.0 and the ultra-portable. we'll see.

I hope you're right ...It would be really cool to to get my shiny new mac pro before my 2 big december projects are due!!!!

[babboxy]

Possibly,

I think the enclosure and displays will still have the same design. So an ordinary Tuesday update will not be an issue.

if the displays stay the same I rather plug in my old Dell screen and wait for the new ones...they definitely do look their age now, don't they?! for the case I don't mind, obviously I'd prefer to have a new one, just for the sake of having NEW written all over it :D

[4God]

If it doesn't happen 13th or 14th, I'm flying down to California and striking. :D

Striking somebody or something? Or going on strike, or both? :D


I thought we'd see new MacPros today, the wait continues.....

[netdog]

The ACDs are lovely. Simple and elegant. Maybe they will add a cam, and maybe they won't, but beyond the cam, there is nothing to change.

[gugy]

The ACDs are lovely. Simple and elegant. Maybe they will add a cam, and maybe they won't, but beyond the cam, there is nothing to change.
I agreed, I don't think the current design is bad for either MacPro and ACD's. Sure a new one could be cool, but I would be happy if they just upgrade the damn thing now!:eek:

[Spikeanator6982]

The ACDs are lovely. Simple and elegant. Maybe they will add a cam, and maybe they won't, but beyond the cam, there is nothing to change.

theres things to change..the price..other then that, connection type, webcam etc.

[babboxy]

theres things to change..the price..other then that, connection type, webcam etc.

they can leave the price as it is, but I'm sure it can be made slimmer these days... hey this is going to be my first mac so I can be picky right?! :p

[machatch]

The ACDs are lovely. Simple and elegant. Maybe they will add a cam, and maybe they won't, but beyond the cam, there is nothing to change.

the design are good.but the specs dont do it for me..




I agreed, I don't think the current design is bad for either MacPro and ACD's. Sure a new one could be cool, but I would be happy if they just upgrade the damn thing now!:eek:

it's about time..look at buyers guide
"ACD - Buy only if you need it - Approaching the end of a cycle " (http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/)

;)

[Mike Teezie]

And another Tuesday goes by.....

I'd like to see an updated ACD before I buy two more. Lower price or better specs, one or the other. The ACD's case is beautiful, but I'd like to see where Apple could push it.

They'll stay aluminum - with Steve's explanation of the iMacs going aluminum and all. A dark anodized look would be nice. Not black, just a few shades darker for something new.

[CWallace]

Well now I know why Apple does not want to release an Core2 Extreme quad-core minitower. :D

We received an hp xw4600 on eval with a single Q6600 QuadCore and this thing runs some serious rings around my xw6400 with two Xeon 5110s on many things.

[Wild-Bill]

Hopefully they offer some of the 1600FSB chips as options. I'd like to see the 2.8 gig E5470 as an option, with a 1600FSB and only 80 watt TDP. That would be nice.

And, should Apple be reading, we'd like some powerful graphics options from this year, and that do not freeze up and cause lockups (as evidenced in other machines, not the Mac Pro). Thanks. :p

[SHOlover]

I hope you're right ...It would be really cool to to get my shiny new mac pro before my 2 big december projects are due!!!!

I feel the same way! I was going to buy a 3.0 Quad two weeks ago (it was in my shopping cart!), but before I did I decided to check the rumors. If this is true, I could wait 3 weeks max damn it! :o

[darthraige]

I hope you're right ...It would be really cool to to get my shiny new mac pro before my 2 big december projects are due!!!!

No matter what happens on November 13th or 14th. I buy a MacPro one of those days. Old or new. :)

[pianoplayer1]

No matter what happens on November 13th or 14th. I buy a MacPro one of those days. Old or new. :)

One word... Don't

Unless its like between life and death and u have to, you will be sorry.
Just wait for Penryn it will be amazing.

[Macinposh]

The ACDs are lovely. Simple and elegant. Maybe they will add a cam, and maybe they won't, but beyond the cam, there is nothing to change.

I hope you mean with the "there is nothing to change" the design of the ACDs..:)
Yup,the design is nice,but feature/performance wise the current ACDs are abysmal..

They really would need a big update.

-Connections. Ok,firewire and usb ports are sweet, baybe 2 more usbs?

BUT they have to get another DVI port! Damn,Lacies new 30" has 2 connectors that can display both inputs at the same time.
For 499$ cheaper.
With a way,way,way better panel.

-The panels. Utterly abysmal panels, compared to its competitors. If Apples 30" display get spanked by Dell,Eizo,Samsung and for chrissake HP (wich beat apple hands down) you really need to change the ballgame.
Apple has the narrowest RGB space of the forementioned displays by far.

And to add to insult, the displays are 50% more expensive..

Dont get me wrong. I love good design. I pay happily for it, hell, I even bought the 30" ACD! But that was a year ago.
Now?
One Eizo please!

[darthraige]

One word... Don't

Unless its like between life and death and u have to, you will be sorry.
Just wait for Penryn it will be amazing.

It's hard too, I have a major project due at the end of December and need a new machine now. Hopefully we get the update in a few days. I just wish there were better rumors leading up to the 13th, but we haven't seen anything yet. :confused:

[babboxy]

is it just me having the same feeling as last monday?!...that there's nothing to expect from tomorrow... :p:p:p

maybe multimedia got banned because he was fooling everybody here? :D:D:D

[Simplesimon101]

No matter what happens on November 13th or 14th. I buy a MacPro one of those days. Old or new. :)

same here... it's annoying but i really need it now :(

just wondering what time of the day would they release it when they do? (would they wait for america to wake up before they release it here in the UK? - ie like 9ish on the US east coast so about 2pm over here?)

[silvel2edge]

Does apple normally have to call together a presentation for releasing the Mac Pro or have they just updated the website in the past?

[kirkbross]

The Mac Pro will NEVER be upgdraded. EVER.

In fact, all existing Mac Pros will spontaneously DOWNgrade themselves to 128k Apple ][e's w/ green screens tomorrow.

Later in the week, Apple will announce that will be ending production of all computers and will ONLY sell iPods from now on and ONLY in pink.

[aaronw1986]

Does apple normally have to call together a presentation for releasing the Mac Pro or have they just updated the website in the past?

The first Mac Pro was at WWDC, then the "second" revision (which just added 8 cores) was just updated to the website.

[babboxy]

The Mac Pro will NEVER be upgdraded. EVER.

In fact, all existing Mac Pros will spontaneously DOWNgrade themselves to 128k Apple ][e's w/ green screens tomorrow.

Later in the week, Apple will announce that will be ending production of all computers and will ONLY sell iPods from now on and ONLY in pink.

how many of these pink ipods will I be able to buy with the 5000$ that I've put aside for my mac pro? can I place a order here?!

[dizastor]

there is nothing to change. (on the ACDs)

Other than....

reducing the screen bezel and screen thickness.

And ditching the white plastic sides.

[drfreak]

It would appear as if the analysts favour Macworld for the updated Mac Pro release.

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/139646/apple_could_build_penryn_into_xserve_servers.html

Apple Could Build Penryn Into Xserve Servers
Agam Shah, IDG News Service


While Apple is tight-lipped about the introduction of new Mac systems with Intel's latest Penryn processors, analysts said the company's Unix-based Xserve servers could be the first to include the power-efficient Penryn chips.

Rumors predict Apple's Mac Pro workstations being the first Mac system to include Penryn processors, though it makes sense for Apple to first plug Penryn chips into Xserve machines to start upgrading its product portfolio from the top, analysts said.

The first Penryn chips, like the Xeon 5400, are the upper echelon of chips designed to first appear in servers and high-end desktops, not home PCs, said Samir Bhavnani, an analyst with NPD Group. The first introductions could be Xserves and Mac Pro systems, then other Mac desktops and laptops as Intel releases chips for those systems, Bhavnani said.

Apple needs something to replace the rusting Xserve machines, and it would make sense for Apple to release a new server by year's end to immediately upgrade its product portfolio, analysts said.

"It's a no-brainer," said Dan Hutcheson, CEO of analyst firm VLSI Research. "You'd want it in the stores before Christmas," he added. Intel has been manufacturing Penryn chips for some time and has built up a large inventory, so it is feasible that Apple will launch high-end Mac Pro desktops too, Hutcheson said.

Dean McCarron, founder and principal of Mercury Research, agreed that Apple should launch workstations in time for holiday shopping. However, most manufacturers have already locked up product announcements as part of the system refresh cycle for the shopping season, so it's likely Apple will launch the products early next year, McCarron said.

Macworld, to be held Jan. 14 to Jan. 18 in San Francisco, is a big product showcase for Apple, and most likely the first Penryn-based Apple server and workstations and will be announced there, analysts said.

"Some of the rumors have been 'Apple's been buying [Intel chips] up.' It's not like Apple will have it on their systems exclusively," Bhavnani said. Hewlett-Packard and Lenovo have already announced workstations carrying Intel's new Xeon 5400 processor based on the 45-nanometer Penryn architecture. Apple won't rush to make a major announcement until Macworld, though it could announce a minor laptop or desktop refresh, Bhavnani said.

Intel is working on Penryn products with around 40 system vendors, including Apple, said Stephen Smith, director for Intel's digital enterprise group operations. Intel cannot comment on Apple product releases, Smith said.

When Apple does put Penryn chips on Mac OS systems, users will be thrilled by the chip's improved graphics performance, Bhavnani said. The new chip's focus is high-definition, and Intel focused on improving video compression capabilities on the chips, which could improve a Mac's graphics capabilities, Bhavnani said.

"Because of the reputation Apple has for graphics and video, that reputation will be enhanced by being one of the first to have Penryn chips," Bhavnani said.

The new chips will also be more power efficient and provide better overall system performance, Bhavnani said.

Apple does not comment on speculation, a company spokeswoman said.

[hogmog]

The Mac Pro will NEVER be upgdraded. EVER.

After my visit to the Apple store in Regent Street yesterday cannot help but feel the Mac Pro has reached the end of the line. The only one on display was only barely in the store - confined to a corner on a bench with several Minis. Considering the size of the place this seems somewhat feeble. My local John Lewis usually has two and they sell a multitude of other brands as well. Could the only way to take advantage of Penrhyn at the earliest opportunity be to go back Windows and Dell/HP?:(

[nickane]

After my visit to the Apple store in Regent Street yesterday cannot help but feel the Mac Pro has reached the end of the line. The only one on display was only barely in the store - confined to a corner on a bench with several Minis. Considering the size of the place this seems somewhat feeble. My local John Lewis usually has two and they sell a multitude of other brands as well. Could the only way to take advantage of Penrhyn at the earliest opportunity be to go back Windows and Dell/HP?:(

Much as I'd like to think that you're right, you have to face the fact that whilst the majority of ppl who buy consumer macs don't check the macrumors buyer's guide and often buy unwittingly just before an update, most of the ppl in the market for a mac pro would know enough to realize that they're selling the same spec computer at the same price as 15 months ago. There aren't many ppl who would spank 3 grand on a computer just like that. I know plenty of ppl who can afford these things, but none who need them immediately enough to live with the depreciation. I know ppl who've been waiting to do all the post-production on low-budget films that have been in the can since spring, but couldn't justify blowing the remains of their budget on the rapid depreciation on perhaps the only physical asset their film will leave them with.

Then again, I know ppl who bought the mac pro the day it was announced and are pretty smug about the value for money they're getting...

[Nugget]

Apple needs something to replace the rusting Xserve machines, and it would make sense for Apple to release a new server by year's end to immediately upgrade its product portfolio, analysts said. "It's a no-brainer," said Dan Hutcheson, CEO of analyst firm VLSI Research. "You'd want it in the stores before Christmas," he added.

Let me get this straight...

Dan Hutcheson thinks that Apple will want to update the Xserve soon, before Christmas, presumably so that all the little kids out there who have asked Santa for a rackmount server won't be disappointed?

On what planet does that make any sense at all?

[headfuzz]

Let me get this straight...

Dan Hutcheson thinks that Apple will want to update the Xserve soon, before Christmas, presumably so that all the little kids out there who have asked Santa for a rackmount server won't be disappointed?

On what planet does that make any sense at all?

<sarcasm>

Pixar need a new rendering farm to rush out a new film before Christmas. It's true.

</sarcasm>

:p

[egwiley]

Let me get this straight...

Dan Hutcheson thinks that Apple will want to update the Xserve soon, before Christmas, presumably so that all the little kids out there who have asked Santa for a rackmount server won't be disappointed?

On what planet does that make any sense at all?

Ha ha. Thanks Nugget. When I read the original quote in the news story, I actually thought to myself, "By Christmas? Isn't the Xserve a commercial product?" Then made a mental note to go and recheck what an Xserve actually is.

[andy721]

First I can careless if its pynryn, over all we have a long ways to go for any application can run fully 64bit on leopard. Try another 3-5years for this to happen.
If it were a cell processor or even better then yes we would be ahead another 5-7years. The more we wait the more we fall behind in technology & the future that awaits it.:mad:

[YoungCreative]

It would appear as if the analysts favour Macworld for the updated Mac Pro release.

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/139646/apple_could_build_penryn_into_xserve_servers.html


To quote a favorite line from The Sandlot:
"You're killing me, Smalls!"

How long do I have to keep limping along with my now 6 year-old Mac. I now have the money saved up and have been surviving by editing video after hours on my iMac at work, but I want to go home!

Please, Uncle Jobs, please release the new MacPro.There's no place like home! There's no place like home.

[ErikAndre]

To quote a favorite line from The Sandlot:
"You're killing me, Smalls!"

How long do I have to keep limping along with my now 6 year-old Mac. I now have the money saved up and have been surviving by editing video after hours on my iMac at work, but I want to go home!

Please, Uncle Jobs, please release the new MacPro.There's no place like home! There's no place like home.
I'm in the same boat, except I have a PowerBook G4 (and not 6 years old). I have the money ready, just waiting on it to come out... patiently...

[takao]

First I can careless if its pynryn, over all we have a long ways to go for any application can run fully 64bit on leopard. Try another 3-5years for this to happen.
If it were a cell processor or even better then yes we would be ahead another 5-7years. The more we wait the more we fall behind in technology & the future that awaits it.:mad:

the cell is a very specialized CPu and not really that good at general purpose use ... it's good for some set top box (especially handling video streams) or for doing lots of single precision calculations but that's about it

[diamond.g]

the cell is a very specialized CPu and not really that good at general purpose use ... it's good for some set top box (especially handling video streams) or for doing lots of single precision calculations but that's about it
That is a misnomer. Cell is perfectly fine at running "General Purpose" instructions.

[takao]

That is a misnomer. Cell is perfectly fine at running "General Purpose" instructions.

with it's PPE: yes
too bad they screwed up the good SPEs with the god damn EIB

[Cervin]

Wouldn't they try and get the freakin machine out before christmas, so companies can get it in the 2007 budget?

Apple should just chuck the last bit of rottin' fruit lying around and get some new fresh on shelves - ****ers!!!!

cervin

[fastlanephil]

A major online retailer just dropped the price on the 2.6 and 3.0 by $200 with no rebate catch. One can only speculate why.

[gamac]

A major online retailer just dropped the price on the 2.6 and 3.0 by $200 with no rebate catch. One can only speculate why.

Which retailer?

[fastlanephil]

Which retailer?

MacConnection

[Roy]

MacConnection

Is this really any real difference that any other on-line Apple resellers?

http://www.macconnection.com/Search?Id=+21&CatId=203597&om=lnavmain

Mac Pro Quad Xeon 2.66GHz 1GB RAM (2x512) 250GB 16x SuperDrive 7300GT
Apple Computer
• Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard Included
• 2.66GHz Intel Xeon DC / 1GB DDR2 SDRAM / 250GB hard drive / SuperDrive DVD±RW/CD-RW
• NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT / Gigabit Ethernet
Item#: 6317076
Platform: M Mfr#: MA356LL/A In Stock $2,299.00

[andy721]

the cell is a very specialized CPu and not really that good at general purpose use ... it's good for some set top box (especially handling video streams) or for doing lots of single precision calculations but that's about it

I highly doubt that, it can think on its own basically a lot smarter then any other processor out there. Also a lot faster

[andy721]

Is this really any real difference that any other on-line Apple resellers?

http://www.macconnection.com/Search?Id=+21&CatId=203597&om=lnavmain

Mac Pro Quad Xeon 2.66GHz 1GB RAM (2x512) 250GB 16x SuperDrive 7300GT
Apple Computer
• Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard Included
• 2.66GHz Intel Xeon DC / 1GB DDR2 SDRAM / 250GB hard drive / SuperDrive DVD±RW/CD-RW
• NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT / Gigabit Ethernet
Item#: 6317076
Platform: M Mfr#: MA356LL/A In Stock $2,299.00


No difference still $3-4k ********* rip off if you ask me. They need to lower it another $1k Apple has issues in pricing their *****.

[CWallace]

Since most kids are likely to get iMacs or MacBook (Pros) for Christmas then Mac Pros, waiting until MacWorld in January might not be a bad thing for Apple, since it would generate buzz outside of just the professional community.

[gamac]

I highly doubt that, it can think on its own basically a lot smarter then any other processor out there. Also a lot faster

It always amazes me when someone refers to a metal and silicon inanimate object in this manner.

;)

[psychofreak]

It always amazes me when someone refers to a metal and silicon inanimate object in this manner.

I doubt it will be too long until there is a true blur between organic and human-created things...

[gamac]

I doubt it will be too long until there is a true blur between organic and human-created things...

Sure, we have that now with artificial heart valves, hips, corneas, etc. I believe we will have many more advances in the future (near and far).

I have been a Sci-fi fan for many years, however...

In this thread we are talking about electronic processors. These are complex calculators, not living entities that 'think' and are 'smart'. One CPU may be faster than another, may be able to perform more parallel calculations than another, may have a larger instruction set than another, etc. It is still, basically, calculator.

[OnePumpChump]

So, I briefly scanned over 22 pages of this thread. Since the 13th date wasn't a hit for the announcement, is the general consensus an Expo announcement for the Mac Pro?

[Jonny427]

So, I briefly scanned over 22 pages of this thread. Since the 13th date wasn't a hit for the announcement, is the general consensus an Expo announcement for the Mac Pro?

It didn't come out today either, so its most likely MWSF.

[nickane]

Some ppl argue that MWSF is not as consumer-oriented as others make out but last year's mentioned no new macs at all, instead beginning a 3 month period of no new macs (despite having been preceded by a 3 month period of no new macs, making a landmark 6 months without an update to any of the core lines). I would like to think that next year will be different, but we've got to be realistic: it is highly likely that Apple will still be offering the same configuration to our grandchildren for the same prices that the MP line-up has been for the past 15 months.

Screw saving for the new mac pro, I'm setting up a trust fund, so that somewhere down the line, one of my descendants will be able to afford one...

[Mozutaka]

Some ppl argue that MWSF is not as consumer-oriented as others make out but last year's mentioned no new macs at all, instead beginning a 3 month period of no new macs (despite having been preceded by a 3 month period of no new macs, making a landmark 6 months without an update to any of the core lines). I would like to think that next year will be different, but we've got to be realistic: it is highly likely that Apple will still be offering the same configuration to our grandchildren for the same prices that the MP line-up has been for the past 15 months.

Screw saving for the new mac pro, I'm setting up a trust fund, so that somewhere down the line, one of my descendants will be able to afford one...

It's curious how Apple treats the Mac Pro and Xserve. Businesses typically don't like being surprised, so I can't see how Apple's announcement mystique is an effective way to market these things. HP announces their new workstations well in advance of shipping, while continuing to sell the prior models to whomever needs them immediately. It's easier for a business to plan like that.

When Apple holds on to a dated model with dated pricing, with no indication of upcoming specs or ship date (though at this point Dec-Jan seems obvious), it's a pretty good deterrent from using Apple servers. It's kind of like the argument of "if Intel plays favorites with Apple, others will turn to AMD": consumers have a lot of other options for servers and workstations, and anything less than cutting edge/competitive pricing isn't going to produce a flock of switchers. Value is king, and even if Apple is selling the current models at a decent rate, I can't help but think how many customers it's turning away.

On a side note, a poster at AI claimed the update was delayed because Apple would have to "dump" the old Mac Pros upon the new release. I could've sworn I saw a similar post here. Stop. Apple doesn't dump their stock; they go to a number of channels, the least of which is resellers. The argument that Apple has to sell through all their current models is bunk bunk bunk.

[Macinposh]

Speculation.

Now that the MWSF seems to be the most realistic release date, there might be a something brewing?

I mean,the whole happening needs something .
Jobs just cant rant for couple of hours how well the iPhone has sold, or how neat the 10.5 is. Or even about the iPod socks.

There just has to be substance. And a lot. There has to be more rabbits from the hat. If there are not, the whole concept of apples presentations starts to be jeopardized.
They will stop to be the medias darlings and start to generate bad press and even worse, start a doubt whether apple has lost its vision (read: bad for stocks).


So what could the substance be?

1.Now that they have released the iPhone,there is no new phones in sight. Not within a year. Not before iPhone is selling steadily around the world, not just in few selected countries.
So no phones.

2.iPods is middle in their life cycle.

3.No OS X stuff. Well,exept how great the OS X is. Just where to put it?

4.Some of the HW start to be long in the tooth.
Well, actually everything design wise,exept the iMac.

So could there be a complete design overhaul in few products,or accross the line?
Is that a possibility ?
Would Jonathan Ive´s team have had enough time to re-redesign one product,let alone all of them?
Let´s see:

-Macpro case : 5 years old?
-MacMini case : 4 years old?
-MacBook Pro : 5 years (ok,some small updates..)?
-xServe : 4 years?

So,could that be the BigThing?

A complete product overhaul,since of those products could be internally changed at the same time ass well?

-Macpro = Penryn
-Macmini = SantaRosa
-MacBookPro = Penryn (Q1 08 is a estimate,too early?)
-xServe = Penryn

"Now we have a completely new MacFamily to go with the Leopard and your iThingys". -Steve Jobs.

??

[zedsdead]

Speculation.

Now that the MWSF seems to be the most realistic release date, there might be a something brewing?

I mean,the whole happening needs something .
Jobs just cant rant for couple of hours how well the iPhone has sold, or how neat the 10.5 is. Or even about the iPod socks.

There just has to be substance. And a lot. There has to be more rabbits from the hat. If there are not, the whole concept of apples presentations starts to be jeopardized.
They will stop to be the medias darlings and start to generate bad press and even worse, start a doubt whether apple has lost its vision (read: bad for stocks).


So what could the substance be?

1.Now that they have released the iPhone,there is no new phones in sight. Not within a year. Not before iPhone is selling steadily around the world, not just in few selected countries.
So no phones.

2.iPods is middle in their life cycle.

3.No OS X stuff. Well,exept how great the OS X is. Just where to put it?

4.Some of the HW start to be long in the tooth.
Well, actually everything design wise,exept the iMac.

So could there be a complete design overhaul in few products,or accross the line?
Is that a possibility ?
Would Jonathan Ive´s team have had enough time to re-redesign one product,let alone all of them?
Let´s see:

-Macpro case : 5 years old?
-MacMini case : 4 years old?
-MacBook Pro : 5 years (ok,some small updates..)?
-xServe : 4 years?

So,could that be the BigThing?

A complete product overhaul,since of those products could be internally changed at the same time ass well?

-Macpro = Penryn
-Macmini = SantaRosa
-MacBookPro = Penryn (Q1 08 is a estimate,too early?)
-xServe = Penryn

"Now we have a completely new MacFamily to go with the Leopard and your iThingys". -Steve Jobs.

??

The Apple TV and iTunes will be the star of Macworld...that is my guess. Even if they announce the new computers, that takes only about five minutes...look at the iMac overhaul this year...the Keynote was largely about iLife, iWork and .Mac. There is a lot of time leftover for other things.

As far as no new iPhone, I agree, except I expect a jump to 16 gigs for the current model.

[kaneda]

They are not going to redesign the new look for MAC Pro? I am waiting for a new look

[ivan1234]

this can only be good news! :D

[JesterJJZ]

Other than....

reducing the screen bezel and screen thickness.

And ditching the white plastic sides.

I would like some HD inputs on the Apple Displays. At least HDMI.

[dtancu]

They already have DVI.
HDMI would only add sound to the mix.
Any other HD input would be of inferior quality (component for instance as analog input).

[adamngood]

What to do? Just waiting for the update of the Mac Pro, to start editing my first big production, but feel stupid to buy just before an update. Should I get the current MP now anyhow, or will prices drop down on the current models when the new MP comes out? Very frustrating, good advices are very wellcome!! I´m stuck! :o

[zedsdead]

What to do? Just waiting for the update of the Mac Pro, to start editing my first big production, but feel stupid to buy just before an update. Should I get the current MP now anyhow, or will prices drop down on the current models when the new MP comes out? Very frustrating, good advices are very wellcome!! I´m stuck! :o

I would wait...it is clearly going to happen within the next two months, so I would hold off unless you had absolutely no choice.

[iCreate]

They are not going to redesign the new look for MAC Pro? I am waiting for a new look

I'm guessing that a redesign may take some color cues from the new iMac.
As long as Apple doesn't dwarf the case and lose expansion capability.

[BenRoethig]

I'm guessing that a redesign may take some color cues from the new iMac.
As long as Apple doesn't dwarf the case and lose expansion capability.

Like they did with the move from the G4 to the G5.

[iCreate]

Like they did with the move from the G4 to the G5.

yeah, bad move. before then i ever bothered with external drives.

[OnePumpChump]

What to do? Just waiting for the update of the Mac Pro, to start editing my first big production, but feel stupid to buy just before an update. Should I get the current MP now anyhow, or will prices drop down on the current models when the new MP comes out? Very frustrating, good advices are very wellcome!! I´m stuck! :o


I feel your pain. I too need something for my first production and for school, that I really should be starting on by now. My guess is the prices of the old MP will drop so Apple can try to sell them off as much as they can. And the price drop will probably be pretty decent, 'cause there is not too many peeps looking to buy outdated equipment. Just like me, I'd wait for the announcement. The wait definately sucks, but in the long run, it will be worth it.:apple:

[netdog]

Apple is pretty good at JIT (just in time) production. I wouldn't count on many old MPs coming to market after the new Penryn Mac Pros are introduced.

[iCreate]

I feel your pain. I too need something for my first production and for school, that I really should be starting on by now. My guess is the prices of the old MP will drop so Apple can try to sell them off as much as they can. And the price drop will probably be pretty decent, 'cause there is not too many peeps looking to buy outdated equipment. Just like me, I'd wait for the announcement. The wait definately sucks, but in the long run, it will be worth it.:apple:

Apple might not lower any prices, unless it's a refurb, but the you'll find closeouts and rebates at MacMall. I think 11% off for the Mac Pro.

[OnePumpChump]

Apple might not lower any prices, unless it's a refurb, but the you'll find closeouts and rebates at MacMall. I think 11% off for the Mac Pro.

You know, I can actually see them not lowering prices; which is completely ridiculous. Who's going to pay for a 2 year old computer, when they can get a brand new one, with new updated parts for a little more or around the same cost? The price should have been already lowered a while ago since it is old equipment.

[Roy]

I feel your pain. I too need something for my first production and for school, that I really should be starting on by now. My guess is the prices of the old MP will drop so Apple can try to sell them off as much as they can. And the price drop will probably be pretty decent, 'cause there is not too many peeps looking to buy outdated equipment. Just like me, I'd wait for the announcement. The wait definately sucks, but in the long run, it will be worth it.:apple:


Are you serious? Wait! What do you call decent? I don't call 10 percent or there abouts decent on what you are describing as outdated equipment. Can you give any examples of Apple slashing prices on current equipment as new models are introduced? I can't think of any and I've been following Apple for 20 years. Even "refurbs", as Apple defines them, do not have deep discounts in comparison to Windows machines.

[OnePumpChump]

Are you serious? Wait! What do you call decent? I don't call 10 percent or there abouts decent on what you are describing as outdated equipment. Can you give any examples of Apple slashing prices on current equipment as new models are introduced? I can't think of any and I've been following Apple for 20 years. Even "refurbs", as Apple defines them, do not have deep discounts in comparison to Windows machines.

You're right, I meant to say "should" be pretty decent. :confused: Of course Apple loves all the money they can get their hands on.

[CWallace]

(ACDs) already have DVI. HDMI would only add sound to the mix.

And HDCP which is (normally) required to show BlueRay and HD-DVD content at full-resolution.

[cohibadad]

I want a new Mac Pro with ACD/iSight. Sorry, just had to bump this thread.

[Artofilm]

Since we'll be waiting till pretty much January for the new MacPros, they better do a design update.

I hope they do a aluminum with glass design. Im thinking aluminum side panels (like the macpros have now) with black glass all around the center of the macpro, that would look amazing!:eek:

[Retrograffica]

Since we'll be waiting till pretty much January for the new MacPros, they better do a design update.

I hope they do a aluminum with glass design. Im thinking aluminum side panels (like the macpros have now) with black glass all around the center of the macpro, that would look amazing!:eek:

Considering that the current Mac Pro was initially designed for the G5 processors I don't think a redesign is out of the question. I know a lot of people think it's the 'perfect' design but it's technically the first generation of that design (aside from internal tweaks). Remember how the workstations went from the blue/white G3 through the G4 Quicksilver and finally to the mirrored front with the exhaust ports?

I'm led to believe that the new processors run a lot cooler than previously so the 'wind tunnel' design may not be neccesary anymore. I think Apple could do with coming up with something that's a bit less imposing and fits in with the aesthetic of a modern office a bit more.

They do seem to be shifting towards the glass/aluminium wherever possible but so far the only reason to have glass is to cover a display so I can't see it featuring in a workstation design. (also the black/glass only features in lifestyle products - iPhone, iMac, iPod - the Mac Pro is for working on, not looking at)

Personally I'd like to see them come up with a double workstation line-up: the Mac Pro and the Mac Pro mini (or Mac mini Pro) I think a consumer/prosumer workstation is what is missing from their product offering (not everyone wants an iMac Steve!). Think of all the people who have bought Mac mini's with their own display and want to upgrade - the only choice is a Mac Pro and it's just too much of a jump for most people.

[SHOlover]

I guess a new Mac Pro is out of the question for this year? Should I start looking at (gulp) HP and premiere pro? I need to buy before the end of year (like a lot of businesses) So I guess Apple does not care about those who are fiscally diligent. I have 4500 set aside for a high end editor, and I wanted a Mac Pro. :( Just venting...

[iCreate]

One option for some that would rather ease into the purchase and not let go of all that cash in one lump sum is to check out MacMall and apply for a Bill Me Later account. The grace period before the first payment is like 6 months no interest. I've only had mine since April, so I'm not looking for an upgrade, but some decent video card options would keep me satisfied.

[Umbongo]

I guess a new Mac Pro is out of the question for this year? Should I start looking at (gulp) HP and premiere pro? I need to buy before the end of year (like a lot of businesses) So I guess Apple does not care about those who are fiscally diligent. I have 4500 set aside for a high end editor, and I wanted a Mac Pro. :( Just venting...

Could you not buy Apple gift vouchers?

[netdog]

Personally I'd like to see them come up with a double workstation line-up: the Mac Pro and the Mac Pro mini (or Mac mini Pro) I think a consumer/prosumer workstation is what is missing from their product offering (not everyone wants an iMac Steve!). Think of all the people who have bought Mac mini's with their own display and want to upgrade - the only choice is a Mac Pro and it's just too much of a jump for most people.

As long as the Pro Mini has dual-link DVI.

[StevenBallmer]

Rumor is not true!
sorry to burst you people's bubble, it's just the truth!

[liv4Mac]

I wonder if we will ever see any more screw ups from Apple's site to give us a hint on the Mac Pro's release like what happened on the UK site for the clovertone 8 cores.

This wait has many people going bazurk. I saw a post were the poster ask if there was something peculiar about Apple's uk site as if there was a hint of the upcoming penryn based Mac Pro to be released the following day. He soon deleted the post after a cup of coffee :D

I certainly feel his pain :D