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Desertrat

Oct 20, 2007, 01:48 PM

pseudobrit

Oct 20, 2007, 02:46 PM

killerrobot

Oct 20, 2007, 02:53 PM

It's Rush Limbaugh. This guy hasn't been relevant for at least a decade.

Maybe not to you or me, but someone did just buy that letter for 2.1 million.

I'm glad politicians just stick with politics as their day job:rolleyes:

Swarmlord

Oct 20, 2007, 05:25 PM

$4.2 Million goes to the charity thanks to Rush's match to the winning bid. It must be killing Reid, Obama, Hillary and the other signatories that so much good could be done without using taxpayer dollars.

pseudobrit

Oct 20, 2007, 05:41 PM

$4.2 Million goes to the charity thanks to Rush's match to the winning bid.

He of course could have raised this money and more without the self-righteous histrionics. It's clear to me that Rush is the true hero of this story now. :rolleyes:

Swarmlord

Oct 20, 2007, 05:55 PM

He of course could have raised this money and more without the self-righteous histrionics. It's clear to me that Rush is the true hero of this story now. :rolleyes:

Not bad for a guy that the left claims is irrelevant.

Thomas Veil

Oct 20, 2007, 06:59 PM

It's hilariously funny that 41 Congresscritters could decide to try to ruin a private individual's career, cost him his jobMore hilarious that you think that a letter could "ruin" Rush's career, when his own drug abuse couldn't.

But to wind up with a seriously large sum donated to a charity? With their targeted victim's career and billfold enhanced? And more egg on their collective face that all of Tyson's chickens could produce?Lemme see...Rush's wallet is $2,100,100 lighter...you might wanna look up the word "enhanced".

And Rush was the one who called soldiers "phonies"; when caught, he cries "smear!" Who's wearing the egg?

So he raised money for charity with the letter. Good! It may be a terrific example of spin, but at least it did some good in the world. The Dems should send more letters. A lot more charities would receive money, and Rush might eventually be bankrupted. :D

It must be killing Reid, Obama, Hillary and the other signatories that so much good could be done without using taxpayer dollars.You don't know Reid, et. al. very well then.

As to doing good...Rush could've donated his portion at any time. Like...a year ago. But no, he had to wait for an opportunity to spin it in a self-serving way.

They make Craig look just really, really moral.Because soliciting gay sex in a public john is much more moral than defending our troops. :rolleyes:

Glad the kids got some money, though; that Rush justified himself, at least in his own mind (and apparently yours); and that that blowhard finally managed to do something nice for a change.

Gotta agree with you about the bloated ego, though -- I read Rush's auction, and yeah, the man's full of more hot air than the Hindenburg.

Desertrat

Oct 20, 2007, 09:04 PM

Sorry, TV, but you're totally wrong. I heard the tape; read the transcript. He was using "phony soldiers" in the context of that 44-day loser that lied about having been in Iraq and supposedly saw all that evil stuff--who was briely a darling of the Left.

Lots of those phonies around. Seel Teem 6 "I could tell ya but then I'd havta kill ya." types. 40-year-old NamVets. "Medal winners" with more stockade time than good time. Phony soldiers.

Stop and think for a moment: Rushbo has a multi-year history of support and respect for the troops. Do you really think he'd even think of them as phony? That idea doesn't even begin to make sense. Folks should have known from the gitgo that the accusations against Limbaugh were absolutely phony.

I don't care at all what folks think about his political views. I despise wilful lying in a cheapshot attempt to get a guy silenced because of his opinions.

And of course his wallet will be enhanced. How many more $35/year folks will sign up for his newsletter? How much more will the advertisers pay? He has around 21 million listeners now. If only five percent are members? And he maybe adds another 1/2 percent? One percent?

Irrelevant? With over ten percent of the adult population of the U.S. listening to him? :D:D:D

But it's one way to get more tax money into the exchequer: Make Rush even richer. Heck, he's gonna be doing better than Reid, Clinton or Pelosi's hubby.

'Rat

Thomas Veil

Oct 21, 2007, 02:40 AM

Sorry, TV, but you're totally wrong. I heard the tape; read the transcript. He was using "phony soldiers" in the context of that 44-day loser that lied about having been in Iraq and supposedly saw all that evil stuff--who was briely a darling of the Left.You're talking about Jesse Macbeth. Okay, let's go with that.

Here's (http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree.blogspot.com/2007/09/phony-soldiers-rush-limbaugh.html) a right-wing blog site which quotes Rush's program that day in more depth than even Media Matters (http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270010). What's amusing is that the guy who writes this blog quotes the transcript at length without realizing it proves that Rush really was insulting the anti-war troops. He makes his "phony soldiers" comment, then does a couple of minutes with a caller who claims WMD really were found in Iraq, and then he gets back onto the subject of soldiers who disagree with the war and brings up Macbeth as an example.

That whole transcript excerpt is messed up in so many ways I can't count them. But I'll try a few. First, Jesse Macbeth isn't all soldiers who are against the war. Second, Michael Moore published an entire book several years ago with letters from many so-called "phony" soldiers who are against the war, and there are of course many, many others. And third, the early part of the transcript shows Rush mocking a caller who claims to be an anti-war Republican, with Rush going on to make ridiculous claims like, "I don't know a single Republican or conservative, Mike, who wants to pull out of Iraq in defeat. The Democrats have made the last four years about that specifically." Rush turns the tables on the caller, avoiding answers to questions while claiming to be answering them, accusing the caller of having built up a "wall of armor" while wearing a thick suit of his own.

Kind of ironic that this transcript is held up as a "defense" of Rush, but I guess when you have only straws to grasp at, you grasp at straws.

Stop and think for a moment: Rushbo has a multi-year history of support and respect for the troops.I don't think Rush supports anybody, troops or otherwise, that doesn't support the administration.

And of course his wallet will be enhanced. How many more $35/year folks will sign up for his newsletter? How much more will the advertisers pay? He has around 21 million listeners now. If only five percent are members? And he maybe adds another 1/2 percent? One percent?

Irrelevant? With over ten percent of the adult population of the U.S. listening to him? :D:D:DUnless this was a very successful ratings stunt, I doubt his wallet will be enhanced, what with conservative talk radio in general and Rush in particular experiencing declining ratings.

doctor pangloss

Oct 21, 2007, 02:46 AM

This is another good example why "knee-jerk liberals" don't make good chess players.

I doubt any of the muffin-heads who signed the letter saw this coming.:eek:

Thomas Veil

Oct 21, 2007, 02:57 AM

As I stated above at length:

(1) So what? and

(2) Rush still owns that "phony soldiers" comment.

doctor pangloss

Oct 21, 2007, 03:10 AM

(1) So what?
Ask Harry Reid "so what?"

(2) Rush still owns that "phony soldiers" comment.
And anyone with a brain would easily see who the "phony soldiers" comment referred to if they'd bothered to read the transcripts for themselves rather than taking their marching orders from liberal blogs!:rolleyes:

hulugu

Oct 21, 2007, 04:07 AM

This has got to be one of the most egregious examples of bloated egos in a long, long time. It's hilariously funny that 41 Congresscritters could decide to try to ruin a private individual's career, cost him his job: But to wind up with a seriously large sum donated to a charity? With their targeted victim's career and billfold enhanced? And more egg on their collective face that all of Tyson's chickens could produce?

All hail "Dingie's Dunces"!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=260170172469&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=016

And two of these clowns think they're presidential material? The Republic's in serious trouble. They make Craig look just really, really moral. Somebody else might know as to abuse of power.

'Rat

I have to say, Rush does have a knack for political manuevering, however, Rush Limbaugh is not a private citizen. He's a celebrity and a political operative.
And, I'm not sure that Craig's lies, dessembling, and obvious hypocracy should get a free pass because 41 senators decided to take a page from the Republican handbook and cry foul.

He of course could have raised this money and more without the self-righteous histrionics. It's clear to me that Rush is the true hero of this story now. :rolleyes:

Yep. What the world needs is another hysterical white guy.

Ask Harry Reid "so what?"

And anyone with a brain would easily see who the "phony soldiers" comment referred to if they'd bothered to read the transcripts for themselves rather than taking their marching orders from liberal blogs!:rolleyes:

Once you read the entire transcript it becomes clear who Rush was referring to as "phony soliders" however I can see the confusion. One of the things that surprises me about Rush is how inarticulate the guy is. He rambles and sometimes ends up breaking down his own point. Rush apparently believes that everyone Armed Services thinks we should remain in Iraq, despite evidence to the contrary, and he believes that anyone who disagrees with him must be a Democrat. This is specious thinking at best.
Rush is a fool, a useful and sometimes brilliant fool, but nonetheless he offers little real thought into an issue and is simply the righty radio equivalent to all those "liberal" blogs.

I can't believe we continue to allow hysterical stunts like this overrun the serious political debates we should be having. Rush is a pimple on the ass of discourse.

doctor pangloss

Oct 21, 2007, 06:48 AM

Rush is a pimple on the ass of discourse.

You are of course free to hold such an erudite opinion. But who cares?:rolleyes:

solvs

Oct 21, 2007, 09:43 AM

Ok, you guys do realize that no one was trying to end anyone's career right? The reason they made such a big deal out of it is because right before this, the right made a huge deal out of the Moveon thing. This was so they could show that the same people who were quick to waste time throwing a fit over Moveon were hypocrites who didn't mind when others did similar things. Those same people also didn't have a problem with the other conservatives who said negative things about Petraeus, or even the rest of the troops. Many of which I pointed out in the other thread.

As for Rush, he was at least alluding to those who disagreed with the war as phony soldiers like Jesse MacBeth. If you actually do read the whole thing and/or listen to it, right before the caller where he made the phony soldiers comment, there was another caller that disagreed with him. Rush said he couldn't have been a Republican, or in the military, even though he was both. That's why it seems like he was talking about all who disagreed with him. He also later made similar comments about Murtha and Kerry, who unlike Rush, actually did serve in the military. He's said equally terrible things about those that disagree with him, sometimes even derogatory of others military service. Not to mention supporting and defending those who've done things that actually hurt the soldiers, like those responsible for the lack of planning, exit strategies, body armor, vehicle armor, as well as the whole Walter Reed thing.

He also made fun of the trembling voice of a 12 year old and the shaking of a Parkinsons victim lately as well because they dared support something he didn't, so I still don't why anyone is surprised by anything he says or does anymore. Nor why some still defend him. I didn't even touch on the things he's said that have proven to be lies, some of which he still repeats ad naseum. Not to mention the drug use, then running to the ACLU. If you want him to by your poster boy, all the luck to you. I guaretee you Reid and the Dems don't really care about this at all, because it hasn't hurt them at all. Unlike the SCHIP thing, which the GOP is getting killed over. And the Craig incident, which is still hurting them. As if Iraq wasn't already doing it.

And you do realize who bought the letter, don't you?

yg17

Oct 21, 2007, 10:37 AM

solvs

Oct 21, 2007, 11:12 AM

When Kerry mis-spoke and slipped up the "soldiers stuck in Iraq" comment, the right was quick to attack him, but when this jackass slips up and calls our soldiers phony, the right is defending him. Seems a bit hypocritical, doesn't it?
Of course. Kerry was obviously speaking about Bush, but the right needed something. Just like they needed something and hyped up the Betrayus thing. The Graeme Frost thing kinda blew up in their faces (as did the MJ Fox thing), but they tried. I can see how people can think Rush wasn't talking about all the soldiers, he's better at covering, but as I pointed out, that would be ignoring the previous caller. And the similar comments about Murtha, Kerry (ironically), and the other person who's name I forget. Plus the comments he's made about the former commanders who've now come out against the war.

And it's ignoring what I mentioned, that this was all about pointing out hypocrisy after the Moveon thing. Which we see above is lost on those who had a problem with this, but not that. Still doesn't make Craig go away, and still doesn't make SCHIP go away. Both of which are still hurting the GOP, whereas the only people who care about this are already not voting Dem.

coffey7

Oct 21, 2007, 11:18 AM

It's Rush Limbaugh. This guy hasn't been relevant for at least a decade.

Thats was a good one. I thought you were serious. He has over 20 million listeners.

Rush was not calling the troops phony at all. he was calling the ones who didn't make it out of bootcamp or never served who lie about torture and things phony. I should know I was listening that day.

solvs

Oct 21, 2007, 11:30 AM

I should know I was listening that day.
What about the caller before that one who he said couldn't have been a Republican or in the military, despite the callers continued protest he was both?

Thomas Veil

Oct 21, 2007, 11:36 AM

Thats was a good one. I thought you were serious. He has over 20 million listeners.Pseudobrit was probably referring not just to his declining ratings but to his declining influence. How much power does this guy really have anymore beyond his loser dittoheads?

Rush was not calling the troops phony at all. he was calling the ones who didn't make it out of bootcamp or never served who lie about torture and things phony. I should know I was listening that day.You might want to read the transcript and not trust what you thought you heard.

Ask Harry Reid "so what?"Again, you're not hearing me:

So he raised money for charity with the letter. Good! It may be a terrific example of spin, but at least it did some good in the world.

And anyone with a brain would easily see who the "phony soldiers" comment referred to if they'd bothered to read the transcripts for themselves rather than taking their marching orders from liberal blogs!:rolleyes:Well, call me Scarecrow then, because Rush refers to anti-war soldiers generically, and only brings up Macbeth a few minutes later.

'Course, it's beyond someone as brainless as me to point out that what I referenced was a conservative blog, not a liberal one.

coffey7

Oct 21, 2007, 11:49 AM

yg17

Oct 21, 2007, 11:54 AM

Thats was a good one. I thought you were serious. He has over 20 million listeners.

Still doesn't make him relevant. Anyone can spout off random crap like he does and get listeners, it just means there are 20 million people who are as dumb as he is. I'd hardly call hiding behind a microphone and spewing off crap insulting soldiers, 12 year old boys who suffered severe brain damage after a car accident, and a man with parkinson's disease "relevant"

skunk

Oct 21, 2007, 11:56 AM

That was not nice calling people losers. I am a Rush listener and I am not a loser. I would have been banned if I called someone a loser.But he didn't call "someone" a loser. He called anyone who parrots Limbaugh a loser. That couldn't possibly be referring to anyone here, could it?

pseudobrit

Oct 21, 2007, 01:41 PM

Pseudobrit was probably referring not just to his declining ratings but to his declining influence. How much power does this guy really have anymore beyond his loser dittoheads?

Quote from post above.
That was not nice calling people losers. I am a Rush listener and I am not a loser. I would have been banned if I called someone a loser.

First off, you may want to learn to use the quote button so people know what's going on when you post. It's the big one that says "Quote".

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Secondly, when someone makes a generalization about an anonymous segment of society (like "idiot drivers who don't use their turn signals") it's not a personal attack.

Every now and then, someone will wander along, see this and try to make it personal by stepping into the pitch. If you step into the pitch, don't be surprised if the ump won't let you take the base.

Agathon

Oct 21, 2007, 02:02 PM

Ask Harry Reid "so what?"

And anyone with a brain would easily see who the "phony soldiers" comment referred to if they'd bothered to read the transcripts for themselves rather than taking their marching orders from liberal blogs!:rolleyes:

No. Alas, like Rush, you are just stretching here.

Anyway, a person who listens to and admires that pointless, ignorant blowhard should not be taken seriously in any respect.

Agathon

Oct 21, 2007, 02:06 PM

Desertrat

Oct 21, 2007, 02:14 PM

If Limbaugh were irrelevant and/or in decline, why would Congresscritters pay any attention to what he says?

They wouldn't have started the "Hush Rush" bill efforts, the so-called "Equal Time" thing, otherwise. Nor would they have cared about his comments about phony weren't-really-soldiers, absent a perceived opportunity to cause him trouble.

Nobody goes to that sort of trouble over something trivial--ergo, they do not perceive him as trivial.

The aspersions about his audience are equally hilarious. While not a devotee, I do enjoy those occasions when I listen.

Hey, okay: Ex-jGI. BSME. I'm qualified to fly a plane. I'm an excellent shot with firearms of various sorts. I was, during my working years, a damned good civil engineer. Same for auto mechanics and driving race cars. By 1979 I had made myself independently not-broke. I read at a rate of around a thousand words per minute. I commonly have won far more chess games than I ever lost. I was for a while a member of Mensa. I'm a damned good operator of a backhoe, dumptruck and road-grader. I did the majority of the work in building the very comfortable house in which I now live. I know a helluva lot about technical aspects of ecological issues. I know and understand farm and ranch work, from using a horse-drawn plow on up. I can type some 70 wpm. Computers/Internet = no big deal. My ex-wife and ex-girlfriends are still friends. I have earned the respect of the members of my community.

I'm just a typical ol' garden-variety Dittohead...

:D:D:D

'Rat

Agathon

Oct 21, 2007, 02:24 PM

Hey, okay: Ex-jGI. BSME. I'm qualified to fly a plane. I'm an excellent shot with firearms of various sorts. I was, during my working years, a damned good civil engineer. Same for auto mechanics and driving race cars. By 1979 I had made myself independently not-broke. I read at a rate of around a thousand words per minute. I commonly have won far more chess games than I ever lost. I was for a while a member of Mensa. I'm a damned good operator of a backhoe, dumptruck and road-grader. I did the majority of the work in building the very comfortable house in which I now live. I know a helluva lot about technical aspects of ecological issues. I know and understand farm and ranch work, from using a horse-drawn plow on up. I can type some 70 wpm. Computers/Internet = no big deal. My ex-wife and ex-girlfriends are still friends. I have earned the respect of the members of my community.

And yet you fall for Limbaugh's idiocy.

Not good. :)

doctor pangloss

Oct 21, 2007, 02:36 PM

Ok, you guys do realize that no one was trying to end anyone's career right?

That's right Harry Reid had the best of intentions for Limbaugh's career!:rolleyes:

doctor pangloss

Oct 21, 2007, 02:38 PM

You can put me on the list of people who think Rush fans are losers. :)

And what would you call the person who in absence of a salient argument resorts to name calling?:confused:

Desertrat

Oct 21, 2007, 05:05 PM

From my standpoint, I don't "fall" for Limbaugh's "idiocy" because based on my own life's experience over my 73 years, a lot of what he says is exactly correct. It fits in what what I've seen of the world and the people in it.

So for people to be so arrogant as to think that somehow they're qualified to make such judgements of others is of itself idiotic.

For people to be so arrogant that they think that those of opposing political views are idiots or are losers is of itself idiotic.

Limbaugh is not always correct. I don't figure I'm always correct. But I know that the name callers and insulters here are absolutely incorrect in that name calling and insulting. And I really doubt that anybody here has any greater handle on "truth" than me, ElRushbo or anybody else, anywhere on the political spectrum--and I danged sure don't own the handle on "truth".

Liberals aren't one iota more intelligent than conservatives--and vice versa.

Folks want to know how important they are? Okay, simple: Stick your finger in a glass of water; then pull it out. See the size of the hole that remains? That's how important you are. I am. He is. Whomever...

'Rat

hulugu

Oct 21, 2007, 05:21 PM

When Kerry mis-spoke and slipped up the "soldiers stuck in Iraq" comment, the right was quick to attack him...

...Just like they needed something and hyped up the Betrayus thing. The Graeme Frost thing kinda blew up in their faces (as did the MJ Fox thing), but they tried...

This is entirely my point, there's so much hyperbole and histronics that everyone's busy scoring political points. This would be fun, except that we have real problems that won't be solved by a bunch of talking heads (Congress critters included). While we are distracted by Moveon.org calling General Petraeus names or Malkin tearing into a boy's family, we don't get to have a national discussion about real issues.

From my standpoint, I don't "fall" for Limbaugh's "idiocy" because based on my own life's experience over my 73 years, a lot of what he says is exactly correct. It fits in what what I've seen of the world and the people in it.

So for people to be so arrogant as to think that somehow they're qualified to make such judgements of others is of itself idiotic.

For people to be so arrogant that they think that those of opposing political views are idiots or are losers is of itself idiotic.

Limbaugh is not always correct. I don't figure I'm always correct. But I know that the name callers and insulters here are absolutely incorrect in that name calling and insulting. And I really doubt that anybody here has any greater handle on "truth" than me, ElRushbo or anybody else, anywhere on the political spectrum--and I danged sure don't own the handle on "truth".

Liberals aren't one iota more intelligent than conservatives--and vice versa.

Folks want to know how important they are? Okay, simple: Stick your finger in a glass of water; then pull it out. See the size of the hole that remains? That's how important you are. I am. He is. Whomever...

'Rat

A few points. Rush is right in the same way that a broken clock is right twice a day, but generally he's as much of a blowhard as anyone else on talk radio. That said, I'm not going to label everyone who listens to Rush as a dummy, but people who take Rush's babbling as gospel should have their head examined.
I agree with you, anyone who claims they have the "truth" should be looked with a cynical eye.

obeygiant

Oct 21, 2007, 05:44 PM

Anyway, a person who listens to and admires that pointless, ignorant blowhard should not be taken seriously in any respect.

I was going to say the same thing about Al Franken. :)

I've never listened to Rush, I'm more of a Howard Stern guy. But it looks like this statement is being pulled out of context here which is exatly what these little scadals are mostly about.

pseudobrit

Oct 21, 2007, 06:23 PM

If Limbaugh were irrelevant and/or in decline, why would Congresscritters pay any attention to what he says?

Because they apparently have nothing better to do. I like how Andy Reid handled it when Rush starting sputtering off racist idiocy during his very short stint with ESPN. He was asked about it during a press conference and just said, "Rush who?"

Rush is like a plantar wart. It's annoying, but you'll only hurt yourself trying to get rid of it. Ignore it and eventually it will go away.

I understand Rush may have some limited entertainment appeal, but like television, I've got better **** to do than waste time listening to or watching something so superficially stimulating.

Thomas Veil

Oct 21, 2007, 07:56 PM

That was not nice calling people losers. I am a Rush listener and I am not a loser. I would have been banned if I called someone a loser.On occasion I was a Rush listener too -- because in order to counteract evil in this world, you have to monitor it and make sure you know what it's doing. So I'd tune in from time to time to listen to his distortions so I could see how he was taking current events and twisting them to meet his agenda.

It's the dittoheads I was talking about. They are self-proclaimed, as you know if you listen to the show. They willingly admit that they pretty much blindly and uncritically support their false prophet. Up to you whether or not you fit into that category.

solvs

Oct 22, 2007, 01:42 AM

If Limbaugh were irrelevant and/or in decline, why would Congresscritters pay any attention to what he says?
I already answered that. Because it was a response to the Moveon thing. If they hadn't thrown a hissy about supporting the troops over that thing, this self proclaimed "troop supporter"'s ill worded statements would have gone unnoticed.

That's right Harry Reid had the best of intentions for Limbaugh's career!:rolleyes:
Do you really think he thought it would have any way of doing that, destroying his career? :rolleyes: Again, this was just to make a point about how it's ok for a conservative to say such things, but not a liberal group apparently. He was clearly saying the previous caller was not a real Republican, nor could he have been in the military. Even if you ignore the phony soldiers comment, that part's hard to miss.

But I can't help noticing that that was the only part you quoted, and none of you are bothering to argue with the rest.

I was going to say the same thing about Al Franken. :)
Partisan? Definitely. But factual. My problem with Rush isn't that he leans right, or even that he cherry picks. Most of them do. He's a proven liar. A liar. He presents things that are patently false as facts, and even when proven to be false, he continues to claim them as fact.

That, and I don't remember Franken even making fun of disabled 12 years or Parkinson's victims.

I've never listened to Rush, I'm more of a Howard Stern guy. But it looks like this statement is being pulled out of context here which is exatly what these little scadals are mostly about.
Then maybe you should go read more about it, and you'd see why people got upset, then defending something you apparently know nothing about.

obeygiant

Oct 22, 2007, 02:05 AM

Partisan? Definitely. But factual. My problem with Rush isn't that he leans right, or even that he cherry picks. Most of them do. He's a proven liar. A liar. He presents things that are patently false as facts, and even when proven to be false, he continues to claim them as fact.

Franken isnt a liar huh? He's been discredited as a "truth teller" many, many times. And to say that you hate Rush for the very same thing Franken does frequently is seriously diluting yourself.

Then maybe you should go read more about it, and you'd see why people got upset, then defending something you apparently know nothing about.

CALLER 2: And, you know, I'm one of the few that joined the Army to serve my country, I'm proud to say, not for the money or anything like that. What I would like to retort to is that, if we pull -- what these people don't understand is if we pull out of Iraq right now, which is about impossible because of all the stuff that's over there, it'd take us at least a year to pull everything back out of Iraq, then Iraq itself would collapse, and we'd have to go right back over there within a year or so. And --

LIMBAUGH: There's a lot more than that that they don't understand. They can't even -- if -- the next guy that calls here, I'm gonna ask him: Why should we pull -- what is the imperative for pulling out? What's in it for the United States to pull out? They can't -- I don't think they have an answer for that other than, "Well, we just gotta bring the troops home."

CALLER 2: Yeah, and, you know what --

LIMBAUGH: "Save the -- keep the troops safe" or whatever. I -- it's not possible, intellectually, to follow these people.

CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.

LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.

CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country.

LIMBAUGH: They joined to be in Iraq. They joined --

CALLER 2: A lot of them -- the new kids, yeah.

LIMBAUGH: Well, you know where you're going these days, the last four years, if you signed up. The odds are you're going there or Afghanistan or somewhere.

CALLER 2: Exactly, sir.

Maybe you should read the transcript before you google "taking words out of context." He had to pay 2.1 MILLION DOLLARS for that! From a guy who talks for a living. Thats more money than many people will see in their lifetimes.

solvs

Oct 22, 2007, 03:32 AM

Franken isnt a liar huh? He's been discredited as a "truth teller" many, many times. And to say that you hate Rush for the very same thing Franken does frequently is seriously diluting yourself.
I don't listen to Franken either (guessing you don't at all), but if he is guilty of lying as much as Rush is, then I would have just as much of a problem with him. From what I've read of him though, he has a whole team of researchers that he uses to meticulously back up what he writes with actual evidence. He also notes any mistakes and makes corrections accordingly. I don't even think he has a show anymore though. If he did, and lied as much as Rush did, especially if he had a legion of fans of who admitted to believing everything he said as gospel, yeah, I would have a problem with that.

And I think you meant deluding.

Maybe you should read the transcript before you google "taking words out of context."
I did. Several times. As I've already noted. And listened to the entire section, before and after what you quoted. Again (I don't know how many times I have to point this out) look at what he said to Caller 1. The part you and everyone else defending him keep missing:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200709270010

LIMBAUGH: Mike, you can't possibly be a Republican.

CALLER 1: I am.

LIMBAUGH: You are -- you are --

CALLER 1: I am definitely a Republican.

LIMBAUGH: You can't be a Republican. You are --

CALLER 1: Oh, I am definitely a Republican.

LIMBAUGH: You are tarnishing the reputation, 'cause you sound just like a Democrat.
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CALLER 1: See, I -- I've used to be military, OK? And I am a Republican.

LIMBAUGH: Yeah. Yeah.

CALLER 1: And I do live [inaudible] but --

LIMBAUGH: Right. Right. Right, I know.

CALLER 1: -- you know, really -- I want you to be saying how long it's gonna take.

LIMBAUGH: And I, by the way, used to walk on the moon!

CALLER 1: How long do we have to stay there?

LIMBAUGH: You're not listening to what I say. You can't possibly be a Republican. I'm answering every question. That's not what you want to hear, so it's not even penetrating your little wall of armor you've got built up.

He had to pay 2.1 MILLION DOLLARS for that!
He didn't have to pay anything. He volunteered to match what it sold for, the proceeds going to charity. A PAC bought it BTW.

Um... you know he wasn't fined or anything right, and that nothing came of the Congressional thing?

BTW:

Limbaugh expands group of "phony soldiers" to include Vietnam veteran Murtha (http://mediamatters.org/items/200709280011)
Limbaugh previously called Vietnam veteran Kerry "a fraud," "a total phony" (http://mediamatters.org/items/200709280002)

Thomas Veil

Oct 22, 2007, 08:10 PM

Franken isnt a liar huh? He's been discredited as a "truth teller" many, many times.By anybody credible?

And to say that you hate Rush for the very same thing Franken does frequently is seriously diluting yourself.I don't think solvs is watered-down. Your arguments sound kinda warmed-over, though.

Maybe you should read the transcript before you google "taking words out of context."Where in the limited portion that you quoted did Rush or his caller specifically mention Macbeth...which is what they claim they were doing?

Iscariot

Oct 22, 2007, 10:16 PM

I don't care what the politicking behind this one was. A charity got $4.2 million dollars, 2.1 of which was from Rush himself.

Good on him.

Hey, okay: Ex-jGI. BSME. I'm qualified to fly a plane. I'm an excellent shot with firearms of various sorts. I was, during my working years, a damned good civil engineer. Same for auto mechanics and driving race cars. By 1979 I had made myself independently not-broke. I read at a rate of around a thousand words per minute. I commonly have won far more chess games than I ever lost. I was for a while a member of Mensa. I'm a damned good operator of a backhoe, dumptruck and road-grader. I did the majority of the work in building the very comfortable house in which I now live. I know a helluva lot about technical aspects of ecological issues. I know and understand farm and ranch work, from using a horse-drawn plow on up. I can type some 70 wpm. Computers/Internet = no big deal. My ex-wife and ex-girlfriends are still friends. I have earned the respect of the members of my community.

Oh YEAH? Well, I type at 100 WPM, can operate a forklift, heavy truck and double-engine boats, AND I can fly. Also, I can perform surgery with my mind.

(We actually seem to have similar backdrops under which we grew up, which is pretty interesting!)

pseudobrit

Oct 22, 2007, 10:46 PM

Oh YEAH? Well, I type at 100 WPM, can operate a forklift, heavy truck and double-engine boats, AND I can fly. Also, I can perform surgery with my mind.

Given appropriate rations of amphetamines and mescaline, so can I.

Iscariot

Oct 22, 2007, 11:23 PM

Given appropriate rations of amphetamines and mescaline, so can I.

I can do all those things at once. While on fire.

Also, I am Captain America.

mactastic

Oct 26, 2007, 04:08 PM

Funny thing that some people here got so up in arms over Kerry's comments which were also "taken out of context". Yet now those same rational, sane types are simply agast that someone would take a political opponent's comments out of context and use them for partisan gain. Holy ****ing **** Batman! It's not like that's ever been done before.

How many righties did we have parading through here just a week or so ago, claiming that Al Gore said he invented the internet? Hmm? Exactly. Where were the indignant cries of "we must evaluate in context" then?

obeygiant

Oct 26, 2007, 04:15 PM

mactastic

Oct 26, 2007, 04:22 PM

Yeah, I love it when the tables are turned. :)

Me too. It exposes hypocrites for what they are.

obeygiant

Oct 26, 2007, 11:03 PM

Me too. It exposes hypocrites for what they are.

Exactly. Although they seem to be everywhere. Who knew?

Iscariot

Oct 26, 2007, 11:45 PM

Desertrat

Oct 27, 2007, 04:21 PM

solvs

Oct 29, 2007, 06:49 AM

Exactly. Although they seem to be everywhere. Who knew?
Are you trying to say we're hypocrites for saying Kerry was making a bad joke at the President's expense that conservatives twisted to attack him (as if they needed to twist anything)? Or are you still missing the fact that this letter and the proposed legislation were in fact about exposing hypocrisy itself? No one would have cared if the Moveon thing (which BTW a lot of Dems supported) didn't go as far as it did, as they clearly noted when making such a big deal out of Rush's comments.

Which, as I noted, were not as isolated as everyone is trying to make it seem.

mactastic

Oct 29, 2007, 03:54 PM

You mess with the oxycontin enough, your brain goes mushy. Explains why Rush's books all should be sold for the price of bologna.

solvs

Oct 30, 2007, 05:28 AM

I wonder how Rush feels about these guys:

'I Don't Think This Place Is Worth Another Soldier's Life' (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/26/AR2007102602402.html)

George Bush is Stripping Our Military of Honor (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/george-bush-is-stripping-_b_70311.html)

It's only going to get worse from here fellas.

Iscariot

Oct 30, 2007, 06:14 AM

Ya got me, Iscariot. I can only occasionally hit 70 wpm. :) It's better than the two-finger tapdance, though...

My wife's the forklift expert, though. But a Mary Kay pink forklift?

Good on the twin engines. I've seen more than one guy with a Bertram who needed more lessons. :)

'Rat

I think it helps that I learned boating before driving. When you're used to the mechanics of a single clutch/throttle vehicle that can brake, a twin engine boat must seem like a totally different animal.

Roger1

Oct 30, 2007, 11:57 AM

Oh yeah? Well, I can run a twin oared boat, drive a 5-speed, and almost back up a pickup truck that has a trailer attached to it. So there!

:D

Oh, I can also catch fish (occasionally) using a fishing pole, worms and a bobber.

Double there!

edit: AND I know how to use the edit button.
double edit. How about all the pols that signed the letter ante up some money as well? You know "make a thing" of it?

Iscariot

Oct 30, 2007, 10:02 PM

Oh yeah? Well, I can run a twin oared boat, drive a 5-speed, and almost back up a pickup truck that has a trailer attached to it. So there!

:D

That reminds me! I grew up driving pickups, I can park any large vehicle within a half inch of perfect. I once won a bet by parking a pick up within one inch of equidistance from all three white lines.

Also, every time I flirt with a woman, God kills a terrorist.

Roger1

Oct 31, 2007, 09:05 AM

That reminds me! I grew up driving pickups, I can park any large vehicle within a half inch of perfect. I once won a bet by parking a pick up within one inch of equidistance from all three white lines.

Also, every time I flirt with a woman, God kills a terrorist.

For goodness sake, man, flirt faster! They're winning! :D

Oh, I can't back up a trailer if my life depended on it. :p

Desertrat

Oct 31, 2007, 03:59 PM

"Also, every time I flirt with a woman, God kills a terrorist."

Homeland Security would probably hire you as a GS-15 and give you a really, really BIG expense account--and station you in the location of your choice.

'Rat

solvs

Nov 7, 2007, 04:36 AM

I've been trying to find an unbiased source for this, but apparently he's gone and done it again. He criticized the testimony of an 18 year old girl (he seemed to think she was 13) who was speaking out against Global Climate Change negatively impacting her community. He made comments about wanting to throw up, which I guess you guys will defend with him saying he was talking about the Dems "exploiting" her:

"It's the Democrats exploiting a young child, ladies and gentlemen, for the advancement of a political issue that will grow the size of government and increase their control over everyone,"
... ok. But then mocks her voice and her crying. That didn't seem to be a slam against the Dems, that seemed to be against her. Again, an 18 year old speaking out about something she doesn't see as political, just a reality she's already facing that she's upset about. Something she hopes someone will do something about, preferably starting with the gov. But rather than criticize the message directly with some sort of fact, he mocks her crying, ironically saying she should go down to NOLA to see some real devastation. Which is kinda her point, given that something similar could very well happen where she is. Also relating her to an actor from a commercial from a few decades ago, in another attempt to negate the message and messenger. For those still wondering, this is why we don't like him. I'll try to find a video, as the audio doesn't do it justice.

Wonder if it will backfire on him the way the others have.

Swarmlord

Nov 7, 2007, 01:21 PM

<snip>... ok. But then mocks her voice and her crying. That didn't seem to be a slam against the Dems, that seemed to be against her. Again, an 18 year old speaking out about something she doesn't see as political, just a reality she's already facing that she's upset about. <snip>

Maybe because most of us find an 18 year old speaking authoritatively about anything other than Prom or Homecoming amusing at best. If she wants to air her teenage feelings, she can tell them to Oprah.

Desertrat

Nov 7, 2007, 01:29 PM

I didn't hear it; I rarely hear Limbaugh except for the occasional highway trip.

Do you know where the girl lives?

The reason I ask is that in today's news, a "middle ground" projection of the effects of global warming includes a sea-level rise of nine inches by the year 2040. (If a sea-level rise is the cause of her concern--assumed from the Limbaugh comment about New Orleans)

On the Gulf Coast, a 100-year-sized hurricane can create a surge tide of twenty feet. (Per Saffir & Simpson) It's a bit hard for me to believe that the additive destruction from a nine-inch rise would come anywhere near what happened with Katrina at, say, Corpus Christi or Pensacola. (I'm no world expert on hurricanes, but I do have some professional-level expertise. And, I was fortunate enough to work some with Saffir and Simpson.)

That said, regardless of age, one should mock the idea, not mock the person. I'd have to read the transcript to be able to judge...

'Rat

mactastic

Nov 7, 2007, 01:38 PM

Maybe because most of us find an 18 year old speaking authoritatively about anything other than Prom or Homecoming amusing at best. If she wants to air her teenage feelings, she can tell them to Oprah.
So new recruits who, let's say, support the war are "amusing at best" to you? You would ridicule them and tell them to take it to Oprah?

Face it, it a left-leaner told you an 18 year old soldier's views were "amusing at best", you would be all over them. And so would Mr. Oxycontin.

Swarmlord

Nov 7, 2007, 01:44 PM

So new recruits who, let's say, support the war are "amusing at best" to you? You would ridicule them and tell them to take it to Oprah?

Face it, it a left-leaner told you an 18 year old soldier's views were "amusing at best", you would be all over them. And so would Mr. Oxycontin.

I admire an 18 year old recruit's support of the military, but I still wouldn't draw on them for an authoritative interview on the subject. Nice try.

mactastic

Nov 7, 2007, 01:47 PM

I admire an 18 year old recruit's support of the military, but I still wouldn't draw on them for an authoritative interview on the subject. Nice try.
Go tell it to Oprah.

Desertrat

Nov 7, 2007, 02:08 PM

Dunno why the insults. The issue at hand, seems to me, as whether any mockery by Limbaugh was of the person or of the idea. "Attack the idea, not the person," is what can keep discussions civil.

'Rat

mactastic

Nov 7, 2007, 03:46 PM

Swarmlord

Nov 7, 2007, 04:27 PM

I see no insults. Unless you consider an invitation to talk to Oprah an insult?

I guess being invited to talk on Dr. Phil's show would actually be worse. :p

mactastic

Nov 7, 2007, 04:36 PM

I guess being invited to talk on Dr. Phil's show would actually be worse. :p
We're in complete agreement on that point.

Iscariot

Nov 7, 2007, 05:00 PM

I guess being invited to talk on Dr. Phil's show would actually be worse. :p

Does anyone else think he looks like he's made entirely of hamburger meat?

solvs

Nov 8, 2007, 08:02 AM

Maybe because most of us find an 18 year old speaking authoritatively about anything other than Prom or Homecoming amusing at best. If she wants to air her teenage feelings, she can tell them to Oprah.
Is this really going to be your argument? Really? That an 18 year old who's actually experiencing something first hand should be mocked for daring to talk about it? She an "expert" because it's actually affecting her, just like the 2 kids he mocked before this, and the guy with Parkinsons before that.

Face it, you have nothing, and neither does he.

I didn't hear it; I rarely hear Limbaugh except for the occasional highway trip.
You should. The audio is everywhere. Can't find any good video, but it's even worse. You won't want to defend it, trust me.

Do you know where the girl lives?

The reason I ask is that in today's news, a "middle ground" projection of the effects of global warming includes a sea-level rise of nine inches by the year 2040. (If a sea-level rise is the cause of her concern--assumed from the Limbaugh comment about New Orleans)
That wasn't what she was testifying about.

That said, regardless of age, one should mock the idea, not mock the person. I'd have to read the transcript to be able to judge...
The transcript doesn't do it justice, you'd have to listen to the audio (posted on many a liberal site (http://mediamatters.org/items/200711060006)) or watch the video.

The issue at hand, seems to me, as whether any mockery by Limbaugh was of the person or of the idea. "Attack the idea, not the person," is what can keep discussions civil.
He was mocking her crying. Just like he mocked the little boy's voice over SCHIP. Just like he mocked Michael J. Fox's Parkinsons. If he wasn't, this wouldn't be a problem, but he does, so it is.