Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard First Impressions

[Orng]

(I've remerged the site feedback thread into this one)

Here's the official response from the site owner. Site policy about the talk of piracy has been very consistent over the years.


I thought pirates were the Good Guys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirates_of_the_Caribbean:_At_World%27s_End) now?

[dejo]

I thought pirates were the Good Guys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirates_of_the_Caribbean:_At_World%27s_End) now?
Those are old pirates. New pirates are NOT good guys (http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/16/after-a-dip-in-attacks-pirates-mount-a-comeback/index.html?hp).

[VaDor]

I confirm the leak, I personally found the same seed of Leopard.

Anyway I would expect people buy a license.. and I understand many want to install it now just for curiosity but I expect will buy a Leopard license...:apple:

[arkmannj]

Screenshot of Retail version which has been leaked into the internet:
http://bayimg.com/gAHGBaAbl

As you can see it's Retail versions, look at "About this Mac" window and dock on the right side.




Anyone notice the dock looks a little off ?
Does the new dock have more adjustable visual settings ?
(like to turn off 3d look)

The dock just doesn't look like the dock I've typically seen in previews/screenshots in the past.

[dejo]

Anyone notice the dock looks a little off ?
Does the new dock have more adjustable visual settings ?
(like to turn off 3d look)

The dock just doesn't look like the dock I've typically seen in previews/screenshots in the past.
Mac OS X Leopard 9A581's Dock Visual Tweaks (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/10/23/mac-os-x-leopard-9a581s-dock-visual-tweaks/)

[arkmannj]

Mac OS X Leopard 9A581's Dock Visual Tweaks (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/10/23/mac-os-x-leopard-9a581s-dock-visual-tweaks/)

Nice, thank you.

I like the simplicity of it, the 3D dock looks kinda cool, but when I've got lots of stuff going on I think I will like the 2D dock more.
Thanks again for the response.

[Sun Baked]

I don't think you should compare the in-depth AI articles to some incoherent ramblings of a random user but that's just me.

I guess the way it happened just left a bad taste in some people's mouth. I agree that it is of interest to hear about Leopard, I just don't think it was necessary to put a thread about a pirated version of Leopard of a user that has talked about pirating, etc. in the past on the front page, especially since it didn't really provide any info and it was so close to official release.

I just think it was bad judgement nothing else. I agree with the general idea of your argument though.

Well Peter did something stupid ... it is out there, he had a chance to edit the thread or ask for it to be deleted.

It is still there, so likely he is basking in the glory. Let him, some people like to be the source of a leak and get credit.

If he had said look what I downloaded to my office computer, it would be different. Since they now offer up to a million dollar reward for reporting piracy in the workplace (not Apple, another group Apple is a member of.)

[Moe]

Does someone knows when is leopard coming to the shelves in colleges and universities?

Those who ordered 100+ copies will have it for sale on Friday. For those who ordered fewer than 100, it won't SHIP until Friday. :-( That's caused an uproar from smaller schools planning [edit: 6PM] Leopard sales/install parties. So says one campus store I spoke with.

[Lesser Evets]

will it be "blazing fast", in comparison to tiger...?

I suspect everything will be blazingly fast in this OS release.

Especially the thrill factor.
Expect your amazement to fade 50% faster than with other OS releases.

[jay-t]

According to a German forum (mac-essentials.de), the dock can also be set to appear in 2D at the bottom...

Link: http://www.mac-essentials.de/index.php/mac/comments/leopard1/

[morespce54]

Anyone knows if Quicksilver is working with Leopard?
If so, is it better/same/worst as with Tiger?

[WestonHarvey1]

Considering Apple is now a multi-billion dollar corporate empire, similar to Microsoft but with more black t-shirts, I don't think a few pirated copies of Leopard will affect them much. However, I do believe that activation is something they should be doing right now. It just makes sense.

One of the nice thing about Macs is that Apple doesn't insult paying customers by making them jump through the same hoops pirates do. Microsoft has the opposite idea. OS X is proprietary and most Mac owners buy it anyway.

[CWallace]

I've been working OT this week so I can bail early on Friday and get home and start playing with the new kitty.

[chris200x9]

Reformatting the hard drive requires you to call Adobe and Microsoft to activate again or no go.


you sure about that? I've installe xp 1 time on my main computer then it broke then I installed it again on my macbook and it went fine.

and I also have cs3 web premium which I installed for mac on my mabook then clean installed tiger after and re-registered cs3 no problem.

[Sijmen]

Apple resellers will have Leopard friday at 6 PM too here in the Netherlands. That means it's released in Europe hours before the US ;)

[Ibjr]

Asked Mods to delete his request and follow-ups. I can't understand the "since it's out there, let's all have it" mentality that seems to be behind the request (it's also seems a little crazy to solicit that on a public board). Also the assumption that there's a torrent or piracy and wanting to get in on it if it that's the case.

I checked my credit card statement and it clearly show Apple has already billed me for my license to use Leopard on one machine. It doesn't matter what CD I install it from, it only matters that I install it only once.

The logical extension of your statement leads to every IT person on earth breaking the law when they upgrade multiple machines with one disk. That is allowable as long as they have paid for a license.

The physical disk doesn't matter, we've already seen legitimate disks floating around the Stanford campus, only the license.

[cubman7]

Would it be better to just do a erase and install rather than archive and install? Will I still get all the new functions of leopard if I just do archive and install because it seemed like you don't from what I read in an earlier post. I only have papers from school on neo office that are important so I could just back them up and redownload neo office and put them back on if I did erase and install? Any suggestions?

[deepakhj]

I am so tired of people whining "piracy this" and "piracy that" and how evil someone is for getting a copy of leopard before the release date.

Are you all jealous that someone gets to play with the shiny new toy before you?

Seriously, I'm pretty sure anyone who's pirated the GM or previous release already has a pre-order in. So technically they've paid for what they're using; they just got it a bit early.

I 'borrowed' a seed DVD from a developer friend of mine and played with one of the betas. Am I a horrible pirate because of this? Did I deny Apple any income? HELL NO. I'm going to pay for Leopard just like everyone else and support Apple's great platform.

Just because a few of us might cheat a little to get a look at things early does not make us horrible monsters. We are not depriving Apple of anything. If anything, we're spreading news about the awesomeness of Leopard and building up even more excitement, which I'm sure Apple doesn't mind.

Get over yourselves. Sure there are people who will pirate and not pay, but I doubt that includes anyone here. I bet 99% of folks here running releases "early" already have their pre-orders in.

Best reply in this thread!

[DoreanGrae]

Can we drop the piracy discussion and get back to actually talking about the OS? That's be great.

[tmoney468]

This is off-topic, but does anyone know if I order Leopard from Apple today if I will get it delivered by Friday? It still says so on their site but I find it hard to believe...or would I have to buy the fast shipping?

[DoreanGrae]

This is off-topic, but does anyone know if I order Leopard from Apple today if I will get it delivered by Friday? It still says so on their site but I find it hard to believe...or would I have to buy the fast shipping?

They say that if you order by midnight on the 24th (that'd be today), you'll get it Friday. They're using priority overnight shipping, so they're going to ship out tomorrow if you get the order in today.

No word (that I know of, anyway) on what time zone "midnight" refers to, though.

[Palestrina]

If you are really that interested there are 3 links to the original thread on the first page, you can read for yourself

Hey, thanks for taking the whole thing so seriously. :D

[jruc4871]

Best reply in this thread!

If by best you mean worst, then i agree.

The submitter is "pretty sure" that most people who downloaded the GM early have already bought it/plan on buying it. I would bet serious money against that.

[Palestrina]

I am so tired of people whining "piracy this" and "piracy that" and how evil someone is for getting a copy of leopard before the release date.

Are you all jealous that someone gets to play with the shiny new toy before you?

Seriously, I'm pretty sure anyone who's pirated the GM or previous release already has a pre-order in. So technically they've paid for what they're using; they just got it a bit early.

I 'borrowed' a seed DVD from a developer friend of mine and played with one of the betas. Am I a horrible pirate because of this? Did I deny Apple any income? HELL NO. I'm going to pay for Leopard just like everyone else and support Apple's great platform.

Just because a few of us might cheat a little to get a look at things early does not make us horrible monsters. We are not depriving Apple of anything. If anything, we're spreading news about the awesomeness of Leopard and building up even more excitement, which I'm sure Apple doesn't mind.

Get over yourselves. Sure there are people who will pirate and not pay, but I doubt that includes anyone here. I bet 99% of folks here running releases "early" already have their pre-orders in.

You're certainly not a horrible monster, but it poses and ethical dilemma. One can explain it all away and say how they've done nothing wrong and that they're otherwise a model citizen. I'm sure you're a decent person. But have you thought about the hundreds of designers, programmers, advertisers, manufacturers who've made this operating system their life's work for the last few years? Did they work so hard so someone can install a probably illegally obtained copy early and start showing off to all their friends days before it's released? I contend it does hurt people.

I just hope no one here read all the Harry Potter books before they came out, too.

[ok13]

even in pre-GM builds, leopard was way faster, way way faster.on a mini!

[bootedbear]

However, I do believe that activation is something they should be doing right now. It just makes sense.
Because that's working out so well for Windows right now?

Oops, changed a driver! Windows deactivated!

Yeah, right...

[parafish13]

I don't think paid Leopard pirates are going to hell. I think God would reward them for their ambition.

On the topic of the OS, I'm looking forward to a snappier Safari.

[Virgil-TB2]

And I disagree with you 100%. Until Microsoft starts selling the hardware, which you are required to have to run their software, the same business model does not apply. ... Exactly. :)

The whole activation/pirating issue is completely different for Apple's OS's because of the different business model the company has.

I do not support piracy in any form. I will be buying a new machine with Leopard and probably a box as well, but ... on a certain level, Apple doesn't really care about people pirating Leopard as it really can't do them much harm.

Leopard only works on Apple hardware and will be shipped free with each device they sell from now on. The only possible way to "pirate" it, is to install it on an older Apple Machine without paying for it. Therefore, pretty much zero people will be using it, that haven't already bought an Apple computer at some time in the past. Importantly, those people have already paid for Tiger when they bought that machine.

This means that the absolute worst that can happen and the most serious down-side for Apple is that a small percentage of users will install it on their "old" machines for free. This topic is really about some existing Apple users getting a possibly free upgrade, and not a booming market of "pirated software" per se.

If you put Leopard on an old machine for free, there are only two outcomes. It either runs fine, or the computer is too old an not supported.

If it runs fine, then Apple has continued to please and therefore kept that customer. The next time that customer buys a computer they will re-buy with Apple. If it doesn't run so well because they installed it on an old G4 or something, then the person has to go out and buy a new Apple computer to enjoy it.

So even if Leopard was available on every torrent site or handed out at Malls for free, all it means is that some users of Tiger will upgrade for free temporarily, thus putting off purchasing a new computer (and thus purchasing Leopard) for a year or so. They will purchase Leopard eventually though unless they decide Macs are not for them after all, which is a decision that has nothing to do with whether or not they paid for it.

If not for the fact that there is some good profit in it, and for the fact that too many people would hack their Windows boxes to use it, Apple could almost hand out OS-X for free.

[WestonHarvey1]

I suspect many of the "moral" crusaders on this forum are AAPL stockholders who are afraid too many people downloading pirated versions of Leopard will result in reduced returns and thus lengthen the amount of time before they can put the down payment on their yacht. I sympathize.

BTW- Any word of if Safari is snappier in Leopard?

Give me a freaking break dude. If you want to be respectable in the Mac community you buy your Mac software. Period. If you believe in the OS you will buy it and support its future development. You can't make the same arguments pirates make about Windows - "Oh, it sucks anyway, they should be paying me to use it".

If you can't handle that, maybe you should run Linux on your Mac. Builds are available for PPC and Intel and we won't have to listen to your crap ever again, so bonus for everyone. Or if you've got an Intel why don't you just wipe the drive and slap a pirated Windows on it? Then you can even play with your elite warez!

[Lonon]

How to make a review of Leopard:

<name of the program> +"is blazing fast!"

Repeat the neccesary times.

[iBunny]

I hope that this is still fast on a pokey 5400rpm MacBook Pro HDD. I really wanted to upgrade to a 7200rpm HDD, but I dont have the $$$ right now.

[slb]

i want to do a clean install, but i want to keep my data and settings. how can i do that? i have Backup from .mac and an external hard drive, but is there a better way?

Archive and Install installs OS X from scratch and then imports your accounts, applications, and settings. In fact, it was my understanding that the Upgrade option was removed from Leopard in favor of Archive and Install. I guess I was misinformed.

[WestonHarvey1]

I hope that this is still fast on a pokey 5400rpm MacBook Pro HDD. I really wanted to upgrade to a 7200rpm HDD, but I dont have the $$$ right now.

I feel kind of dumb for trading RPMs for gigabytes when I got mine... my friend's 5400 seems equally fast for the same tasks. I bet you'll be fine.

[ozziegn]

to the moral police: I have never seen such a large group of jealous people in one area in a long, long time. so what if someone's already using Leopard? big whoop-dee-freakin-doo......

you guys that are complaining must have been the same types of kids in kindergarden that were complaining about how the next person next to you got six jellybeans when you only got five. again, big whoop-dee-freakin-doo.

life isn't fair. deal with it...

[jruc4871]

Give me a freaking break dude. If you want to be respectable in the Mac community you buy your Mac software. Period. If you believe in the OS you will buy it and support its future development. You can't make the same arguments pirates make about Windows - "Oh, it sucks anyway, they should be paying me to use it".

Please, no moral equivalency. Stealing windows is just as illegal.

Stealing a Beethoven CD is the same as stealing Britney Spears latest dreck.

[MacAodh]

I am so tired of people whining "piracy this" and "piracy that" and how evil someone is for getting a copy of leopard before the release date.

Are you all jealous that someone gets to play with the shiny new toy before you?

Seriously, I'm pretty sure anyone who's pirated the GM or previous release already has a pre-order in. So technically they've paid for what they're using; they just got it a bit early.

I 'borrowed' a seed DVD from a developer friend of mine and played with one of the betas. Am I a horrible pirate because of this? Did I deny Apple any income? HELL NO. I'm going to pay for Leopard just like everyone else and support Apple's great platform.

Just because a few of us might cheat a little to get a look at things early does not make us horrible monsters. We are not depriving Apple of anything. If anything, we're spreading news about the awesomeness of Leopard and building up even more excitement, which I'm sure Apple doesn't mind.

Get over yourselves. Sure there are people who will pirate and not pay, but I doubt that includes anyone here. I bet 99% of folks here running releases "early" already have their pre-orders in.

Here's to the one percent!!!

To be honest with you, at this stage, I've no love for a company that refuses to charge equally around the world for a product. why does America pay so much less then anywhere else? It's not as if they have any translation costs or anything to Ireland is it??? Apple produce great software and superb hardware but I'm not willing to pay more then my fair share for something.

[Diatribe]

to the moral police: I have never seen such a large group of jealous people in one area in a long, long time. so what if someone's already using Leopard? big whoop-dee-freakin-doo......

you guys that are complaining must have been the same types of kids in kindergarden that were complaining about how the next person next to you got six jellybeans when you only got five. again, big whoop-dee-freakin-doo.

life isn't fair. deal with it...

Has nothing to do with jealousy. If you genius would just read what people have written you might actually realize what the problem is many people have with the thread.

And if you think that personal insults help you with your argument you're a far bigger lost case than I thought. But then again, I don't expect you to understand those things. ;) So just forget what I just said, if you haven't already.

[Diatribe]

Here's to the one percent!!!

To be honest with you, at this stage, I've no love for a company that refuses to charge equally around the world for a product. why does America pay so much less then anywhere else? It's not as if they have any translation costs or anything to Ireland is it??? Apple produce great software and superb hardware but I'm not willing to pay more then my fair share for something.

Yeah, considering what Macs cost in Latin America I should just go to the shop and steal one right? I mean after all, why would I pay more than what I consider my fair share for something? :rolleyes:

[petvas]

The guy is from Germany and it is very early in the morning there as well as the fact that the moral people waded quite heavily in on that thread and scared him away.

I am not scared!
Check your license agreements. Distribution or sharing of copyrighted software is illegal. Obtaining the media (without sharing - no Torrents!) of a product which license you have paid is not illegal!
The license agreement specifies not to make ILLEGAL copies of Leopard!

I was just trying to inform you people. If you dont want it then fine. Some people are asking if iTunes is in a new version. The version is 7.4.2
RSS in Mail.app works now a reboot did the trick

I had a problem creating Web Clips with my ugraded profil. I had to deselect the CSS file in Safari to make it work!
Rendexing on my iMac took approx. 3 hours! During this time search was not available

Everything else works great. I didnt have of course enough time to test but for now I can say I like it a lot! Speed is the biggest improvement of Leopard

Finally I want to say I do not support piracy in any way and I have checked the license agreement with a lawyer! (my brother is one!)
I am not illegal and I do not have any NDA. Illegal is the one that posted Leopard on the newsgroups. Torrents are a bad idea!

[Blue Velvet]

To be honest with you, at this stage, I've no love for a company that refuses to charge equally around the world for a product. why does America pay so much less then anywhere else? It's not as if they have any translation costs or anything to Ireland is it??? Apple produce great software and superb hardware but I'm not willing to pay more then my fair share for something.


Absurd... any product costs different in different countries. Even Big Macs cost different amounts in different countries. Sounds like you're not willing to pay for anything at all.

[Flobber88]

Apple is probably grateful people are downloading Leopard off torrent sites, as it goes with Apple's new mission to become greener. Less packaging in landfills;)

[xUKHCx]

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Glad you are back and the people in the other thread didn't stop you coming back. Thanks for the info BTW.

[petvas]

Glad you are back and the people in the other thread didn't stop you coming back. Thanks for the info BTW.

Thanks!

Here is also my receipt of my purchase. I am not posting my name or address of course...

[xUKHCx]

Thanks!

Here is also my receipt of my purchase. I am not posting my name or address of course...

Anymore nuggets of information you would like to share.

[mangoman]

I hope that this is still fast on a pokey 5400rpm MacBook Pro HDD. I really wanted to upgrade to a 7200rpm HDD, but I dont have the $$$ right now.

I'd like to know what 7200rpm HDDs you're looking at for your MacBook Pro. Care to show a link or three?

[aliquis-]

i've honestly never understood torrents. dont they take days to dl?Depends on your connection, and if it's only one seeder and 3000 leechers which only has 0% of the files and the seeder got 10kB/s upload or if it's 500 seeders and 3000 leachers which all got around 95% and the seeders got 500kB/s upload ;)

[petvas]

Anymore nuggets of information you would like to share.

What do you want to know?

I only downloaded Leopard because it wont be coming till Monday or Tuesday and the whole week I am away! I wanted to have it this weekend! Is that bad? I paid for it, I don't copy it, I am not distributing it! I have two computers at home and I could easily buy the single license but I bought the family pack despite the fact that I live alone!
I did the same with iWork. I have spent thousand of Euros the last two years in Apple products. I am a loyal fan and I won't accept any accusations from anyone (this isnt directed to you - I am speaking generally)

If someone wants to know sth specific, I will answer if that is of course possible.

I just finished upgrading my Macboon, installation took a little longer, around 42 Minutes. Everything seems to work ok at the moment. I want to check the speed now.

[aliquis-]

That might need a little work. I'll be starting with a new machines. :D

I can get Ubuntu (~700 MB) in about 20-30 minutes via torrents from home.I can get the same thing in less than 100 seconds if someone are willing to send it fast ;)

[scottlinux]

Everyone is freaking out about this one guy who stated 'everything is fast!'

Meanwhile there are screenshots, detailed descriptions, and lots of input about Leopard from users for some time now on the InsanelyMac forum:

http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showforum=125

[xUKHCx]

What do you want to know?

How quick is Spotlight, does it seem to get stuck on a search sometimes like in Tiger.

How is it after 20 hours of use, have you come across and thing bad e.g bugs, freezes.

Do you like it, knowing what you know now would you still upgrade.

[skinnylegs]

I think everyone railing on this guy is lame.....very lame. Dude has made it clear that he has purchased Leopard so I, for one, don't really have a problem with him getting his hands on a pre-release copy. The reality is that it is out there whether this dude downloads it or not. If he were making it available via FTP to anyone that wants it, that would be a different story.

[Spanky Deluxe]

Thanks!

Here is also my receipt of my purchase. I am not posting my name or address of course...

I'm impressed that you didn't run away! You're the category of 'pirate' that I actually believe is ok since you're paying for it anyway. The kind of person that may 'aquire' certain tv shows because they don't want to have to wait for it to be translated from American to English but make sure to pay their full Sky subscription and TV license even though they hardly watch it. Its not about pirating to get something for free but pirating to get something without having to wait - same reason people unlock iPhones and bring them to Europe.

Apologies if my posts earlier on in this thread might have seemed rather aggressive towards piracy or the forum, I was just on a high horse day due to having sat around for three days in a row at home waiting for someone to deliver something important and have been getting rather frustrated!

[skinnylegs]

I'd be interested in hearing a bit more about iCal as I use it each and every day.

[david.asch]

I've just checked my order details on my 5 license pack; it says it's "prepared for shipping". I'm assuming this means it will be dispatched tomorrow for delivery on Friday (fingers crossed). Assuming that Apple haven't paid the courier firms to only deliver after 6pm, I should receive it earlier than the launch time - am I a) going to need to change my nationality to German and b) going to get lynched for having it before the people buying it in person? :)

[skinnylegs]

I'm impressed that you didn't run away! You're the category of 'pirate' that I actually believe is ok since you're paying for it anyway. The kind of person that may 'aquire' certain tv shows because they don't want to have to wait for it to be translated from American to English but make sure to pay their full Sky subscription and TV license even though they hardly watch it. Its not about pirating to get something for free but pirating to get something without having to wait - same reason people unlock iPhones and bring them to Europe.

Apologies if my posts earlier on in this thread might have seemed rather aggressive towards piracy or the forum, I was just on a high horse day due to having sat around for three days in a row at home waiting for someone to deliver something important and have been getting rather frustrated!

Props. to you for posting that.....serioiusly.

[samh004]

I'd like to know, if you have a Airport Extreme with hard-drive connected to it, if it will work correctly with Time Machine ? Sorry if this has already been asked.

Everyone is freaking out about this one guy who stated 'everything is fast!'

Meanwhile there are screenshots, detailed descriptions, and lots of input about Leopard from users for some time now on the InsanelyMac forum:

http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showforum=125

I imagine they'll crash soon, if they haven't already.

[MacAodh]

Yeah, considering what Macs cost in Latin America I should just go to the shop and steal one right? I mean after all, why would I pay more than what I consider my fair share for something? :rolleyes:

Dam Straight!!! power to the people... you go smash that shop, and steal me a copy of leopard if they have one would you? I'd love a box :D

Absurd... any product costs different in different countries. Even Big Macs cost different amounts in different countries. Sounds like you're not willing to pay for anything at all.

I agree, products do cost different amounts depending on the country, this is normally due to shipping costs, different taxation systems, bribing the officials and last but not least large companies taking larger profit then deserved. Now either our good Berty is allot more cunning then i thought, the tax really has gone up here or petrol is really through the roof but €40 per copy is quite a bit.

Let me be truthful here for one minute. I love apple computers, there slightly more expensive then others but you get what you pay for. There solid, well built and well designed computers. The apple operating system is that too but the difference is that I don't think Leopard is worth €130 (I probably would pay €90 but forty extra is just too much). I did download leopard earlier to see what it was like and other then rss in mail (thunderbird...) there's nothing there i want. (And before you say it I'm allready considering moving to ubuntu on my macbook... 7,10 is in many ways just as good as osx)

[Stella]

to the moral police: I have never seen such a large group of jealous people in one area in a long, long time. so what if someone's already using Leopard? big whoop-dee-freakin-doo......

you guys that are complaining must have been the same types of kids in kindergarden that were complaining about how the next person next to you got six jellybeans when you only got five. again, big whoop-dee-freakin-doo.

life isn't fair. deal with it...

Following up, why are the moral police even reading mac rumours: a lot of the concrete rumours are from people who break their NDAs or other agreements to provide the juicy rumours in the first place!

The moral police should be avoiding mac rumours ( and other rumour sites ) like the plague!!

[petvas]

How quick is Spotlight, does it seem to get stuck on a search sometimes like in Tiger.

How is it after 20 hours of use, have you come across and thing bad e.g bugs, freezes.

Do you like it, knowing what you know now would you still upgrade.

Well, I cant answer that at the moment. I finished yesterday around 3am, went to bed and then I went to work. I just finished installation on my Macbook. Leopard is also fast but I think the iMac is a bit faster.
Spotlight I havent used much, but the one time I used it was pretty fast. I cannot compare it though to Tiger.
Something that I didnt like was that after installation a reindexing begins. I forgot to exclude my 5 External HDs (approx. 3 TB of Data) so when I returned home from work, Leopard was still trying to create an index! I excluded my HDs and after 10 mins Leopard indexed the internal HD.

I will try to make more searches and see how it goes

[petvas]

I'm impressed that you didn't run away! You're the category of 'pirate' that I actually believe is ok since you're paying for it anyway. The kind of person that may 'aquire' certain tv shows because they don't want to have to wait for it to be translated from American to English but make sure to pay their full Sky subscription and TV license even though they hardly watch it. Its not about pirating to get something for free but pirating to get something without having to wait - same reason people unlock iPhones and bring them to Europe.

Apologies if my posts earlier on in this thread might have seemed rather aggressive towards piracy or the forum, I was just on a high horse day due to having sat around for three days in a row at home waiting for someone to deliver something important and have been getting rather frustrated!

Why run away? I have worked for Microsoft at the past, I know the policies regarding software. Nobody gets prosecuted for downloading a software he has paid for, even if the source isnt legit!
Microsoft has thousand of customers that are exactly like that!

Anyway, I apologise if I insulted people by downloading Leopard. I have specified my reasons and I certainly do not regret it!

[petvas]

Someone asked before if Time Machine works with network volumes. Short answer: YES

[Stella]

Petvas

Is Java 6 shipped with 10.6?

Thanks,

[petvas]

Some extensions that dont work:

Mail appetizer
Inquisitor

They will be automatically get disabled from Leopard

[petvas]

Petvas

Is Java 6 shipped with 10.6?

Thanks,

How can I check that? :)

[JWFerne]

Call me crazy, but couldn't Apple detect some of the people using Leopard by watching the new .mac sync features and who's tapped into them early? They have your name and address etc. all right there with the subscription.

Worth chancing it for playing 2 days early?

[petvas]

Something I dont like about Spaces is the shortcut key. Its F8. Great if you have a Macbook ( I have) but if you own the aluminum keyboard F8 is used for volume control!
I have this keyboard on my iMac, so I reconfigured Spaces to use F6
On my Macbook its still F8

its a bit of inconsistency here.

[Stella]

How can I check that? :)

Go into Application/Utilities/Java

Do you see any applications that reference Java 6 ( or 1.6 ) in their file names?

Thanks

[lancestraz]

Someone asked before if Time Machine works with network volumes. Short answer: YES
Via a USB HDD plugged into an AirPort Extreme? Or over a network to another Mac's HDD?

Thank you. (http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5364/goodjobsl2.gif)

I'd like to know what 7200rpm HDDs you're looking at for your MacBook Pro. Care to show a link or three?
I also want to upgrade my MBPs HDD. I'm looking at this one (http://www.macmall.com/macmall/shop/detail~dpno~7231159~Action~READREVIEW~Redir~1.asp). Or this one (http://www.buy.com/prod/seagate-momentus-7200-2-hard-drive-200gb-internal-2-5in-sata-3gb-s-ncq/q/loc/101/205856282.html).

[petvas]

Call me crazy, but couldn't Apple detect some of the people using Leopard by watching the new .mac sync features and who's tapped into them early? They have your name and address etc. all right there with the subscription.

Worth chancing it for playing 2 days early?

Yes you are right. The answer is, why bother? Apple doesnt want to spend money prosecuting amateurs, they want to find the real pirates. Dont forget that Leopard runs on Apple hardware only. That means the user has already paid sth to Apple. Its not like that in the Microsoft world...

[steveh]

It's interesting that in the Apple visual guide they said it would take "an hour or two" and it appears to take much less. I have a hard time believing that time frame and wonder why they over shot so badly.

Certainly ought to cut down on griping from those what end up spending more time installing than stated by Apple.

[petvas]

I'd be interested in hearing a bit more about iCal as I use it each and every day.

The default preview on the right part of the screen is now gone. The user has to double click in order to get a preview of an appointment. Then there is the edit button that allows inline editing. Its a bit tiring to go through all these steps but certainly the options now are much greater.
I also like the default alarms for new appointments. It was about time!
Event Drop Box also works nice

What I found a big disappointment was the Tasks. They havent changed at all. (apart from the OS wide Tasks Database and integration with Mail)

[JSpence]

Someone asked before if Time Machine works with network volumes. Short answer: YES

Would you know if AirDisk works with Time Machine, or how well?

Maybe this has/hasn't been confirmed yet, cheers.

[iBunny]

I'd like to know what 7200rpm HDDs you're looking at for your MacBook Pro. Care to show a link or three?

The Entire Hitachi 7K200 Series. Offered in 100 120 160 and 200GB.

Here is a link to http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10005818

Zip Zoom Fly usualy has the best prices. Newegg has good prices too. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145160

These things have been out for a while, where have you been? lol

[steveh]

It's a shame they didn't up the soldered memory to 512 for their last two revs, but oh well.

They did, certainly for the 12" PB.

[petvas]

Go into Application/Utilities/Java

Do you see any applications that reference Java 6 ( or 1.6 ) in their file names?

Thanks

see attachment

[petvas]

Would you know if AirDisk works with Time Machine, or how well?

Maybe this has/hasn't been confirmed yet, cheers.

I have an airport extreme but I dont share my HDs that way. I have tried through Appletalk sharing and it works.

[madmax_2069]

Following up, why are the moral police even reading mac rumours: a lot of the concrete rumours are from people who break their NDAs or other agreements to provide the juicy rumours in the first place!

The moral police should be avoiding mac rumours ( and other rumour sites ) like the plague!!


i think its cause they have to do it somewhere. They are very harsh about how they come about it, and really they should get the same back towards them for being so harsh. but doing that makes you no different then them. i will save up and buy it when the time comes

[Stella]

see attachment

Thanks alot. Looks as though it isn't ( or you have to install it from dev tools ).

[petvas]

Overall I have to say that upgrading my Macbook went much more smoothly than on my iMac. I dont know why as I keep both machines in sync. On my iMac I had to reconfigure indexing, restart finder one time (on first boot), reboot once to make RSS import in Mail from Safari work. Maybe it was because I upgraded very light in the night :)
Overall I am very happy. This is a worthy update. Quick view is great, the new Finder much better than before, Coverflow is amazing, Spaces helps a lot and Time Machine seems cool (havent tested thoroughly). My favorite app is Mail!
It has Tasks, Notes, RSS, HTML templates and it is faster! It also has a new indicator on the low left corner of the screen displaying the current activity

What really impressed me that on my iMac my FTP Server worked after the upgrade, without changing anything. All in all, this is surely the best version of Mac OS X

[espoir]

Hi everyone.
I wanted to share my experience on my MacBook (2.0/2Gb/160Gb) and this leaked leopard...

1. Dock is obviously SLOWER in leopard (animation isn't smooth as in tiger, gaps are very notable)
2. Spotlight working great - extremly fast
3. Coverflow - great perfomance
4. Networking - my Vista PC is NOT visible in Finder as it is in Tiger (all settings are made, trying to figure it out)
5. And this is something that makes me worry - my macbook goes into "cpu fan-mode" much much more often then in tiger - it makes me think that battery life would be notably shorter in leopard
6. Some strange behaviour in Finder when changing View Properties - if you use "Back" button the folder you're getting to may show "corrupted view" - that's strange
7. iTunes and Safari - very fast loading
8. New icon for Frontrow :)) - cosy red chair :)
9. Strange behaviour while editing properties of created via Safari widget - in my case it became two times smaller after pressing "i" button and never showed controls again :)

new
10. I can't believe it - nice sliders allowing user to change the amount of effects in Photobooth are now gone (as it was in 559 build ((( )
11. iPhoto launches much faster then in Tiger - no need to be genious to guess the same story for Pages - you may definetly see for which version of Mac Os X it's been developed

[samh004]

Someone asked before if Time Machine works with network volumes. Short answer: YES

Thanks, I think.. :)

[petvas]

I just made a spotlight search on my Macbook. There was a short delay of maybe 3 to 5 ms and then BOOM. All results were there! Amazing!!!

[petvas]

Hi everyone.
I wanted to share my experience on my MacBook (2.0/2Gb/160Gb) and this leaked leopard...

1. Dock is obviously SLOWER in leopard (animation isn't smooth as in tiger, gaps are very notable)
2. Spotlight working great - extremly fast
3. Coverflow - great perfomance
4. Networking - my Vista PC is NOT visible in Finder as it is in Tiger (all settings are made, trying to figure it out)
5. And this is something that makes me worry - my macbook goes into "cpu fan-mode" much much more often then in tiger - it makes me think that battery life would be noticably shorter in leopard
6. Some strange behaviour in Finder when changing View Properties - if you use "Back" button the folder you're getting to may show "corrupted view" - that's strange
7. iTunes and Safari - very fast loading
8. New icon for Frontrow :)) - cosy red chair :)
9. Strange behaviour while editing properties of created via Safari widget - in my case it became two times smaller after pressing "i" button and never showed controls again :)
I hope you wont be questioned now where you found this copy. :)

[Stella]

How fast does Finder file search work? Under 10.4 its really slooowww - are there improvements?

Thanks.
Hi everyone.
I wanted to share my experience on my MacBook (2.0/2Gb/160Gb) and this leaked leopard...

1. Dock is obviously SLOWER in leopard (animation isn't smooth as in tiger, gaps are very notable)
2. Spotlight working great - extremly fast
3. Coverflow - great perfomance
4. Networking - my Vista PC is NOT visible in Finder as it is in Tiger (all settings are made, trying to figure it out)
5. And this is something that makes me worry - my macbook goes into "cpu fan-mode" much much more often then in tiger - it makes me think that battery life would be noticably shorter in leopard
6. Some strange behaviour in Finder when changing View Properties - if you use "Back" button the folder you're getting to may show "corrupted view" - that's strange
7. iTunes and Safari - very fast loading
8. New icon for Frontrow :)) - cosy red chair :)
9. Strange behaviour while editing properties of created via Safari widget - in my case it became two times smaller after pressing "i" button and never showed controls again :)

[espoir]

I hope you wont be questioned now where you found this copy. :)

Me too :) But I hope that there's gonna be more user experiences in this thread so that I could finally decide weather I should keep my leopard on external FireWire drive as I do now or upgrade my macbook and switch to it from Tiger

[taeclee99]

Petvas,

Is it true that the leaked build you are using does not have the bootcamp drivers included? This is what I read on some other forums.

[melipaisa]

hey does anyone knows if the day of the release on Friday. if i could buy a macbook, i really need it and i have waited for so long for leopard.

so will the macbook run leopard that same day?:confused::confused::confused::confused:

thanks:)

[taeclee99]

hey does anyone knows if the day of the release on Friday. if i could buy a macbook, i really need it and i have waited for so long for leopard.

so will the macbook run leopard that same day?:confused::confused::confused::confused:

thanks:)



The macbook you buy on Friday will have a leopard installation disc in the box.
It will probably have Tiger preinstalled so you will have to upgrade your macbook to leopard when you get home.

[antdgar]

Just give an idea of different machine install speed:

It took exactly 35 minutes to install from an old I-pod photo onto a macbook 2.16Ghz Core2Duo, 1GB RAM.

Edit: I used the 'upgrade' method, not 'clean' install as it were.

[petvas]

Petvas,

Is it true that the leaked build you are using does not have the bootcamp drivers included? This is what I read on some other forums.
See attachments. This is the full retail version. No difference with the one we are getting from Apple

[citi]

Something I dont like about Spaces is the shortcut key. Its F8. Great if you have a Macbook ( I have) but if you own the aluminum keyboard F8 is used for volume control!
I have this keyboard on my iMac, so I reconfigured Spaces to use F6
On my Macbook its still F8

its a bit of inconsistency here.

It's always been that way on the laptops. In settings change your volume and display keys to only work using the Function (FN) key. Then all of your fkeys work and to turn up the volume, you just hold the FN key and hit the volume key.

[THX1139]

Hi everyone.
I wanted to share my experience on my MacBook (2.0/2Gb/160Gb) and this leaked leopard...

1. Dock is obviously SLOWER in leopard (animation isn't smooth as in tiger, gaps are very notable)
2. Spotlight working great - extremly fast
3. Coverflow - great perfomance
4. Networking - my Vista PC is NOT visible in Finder as it is in Tiger (all settings are made, trying to figure it out)
5. And this is something that makes me worry - my macbook goes into "cpu fan-mode" much much more often then in tiger - it makes me think that battery life would be notably shorter in leopard
6. Some strange behaviour in Finder when changing View Properties - if you use "Back" button the folder you're getting to may show "corrupted view" - that's strange
7. iTunes and Safari - very fast loading
8. New icon for Frontrow :)) - cosy red chair :)
9. Strange behaviour while editing properties of created via Safari widget - in my case it became two times smaller after pressing "i" button and never showed controls again :)

new
10. I can't believe it - nice sliders allowing user to change the amount of effects in Photobooth are now gone (as it was in 559 build ((( )
11. iPhoto launches much faster then in Tiger - no need to be genious to guess the same story for Pages - you may definetly see for which version of Mac Os X it's been developed

Yar, the illegal PIRATED version you are using might still have a few bugs that won't be in the final version.

[JWFerne]

Yar, the illegal PIRATED version you are using might still have a few bugs that won't be in the final version.

doubt it... I'm sure apple will throw out some patches on Friday night to fix any bugs since gold mastering

[Roy Hobbs]

Yar, the illegal PIRATED version you are using might still have a few bugs that won't be in the final version.

BS, the leaked version is the Gold Master build.

[espoir]

Yar, the illegal PIRATED version you are using might still have a few bugs that won't be in the final version.

:) nice point of view but I think my illegal version should better act like the most wonderful peace of software on earth - and if it is I will definately pay for it... but as for now I am very dissapointed with the perfomance of all interface-related operations - window movements, QuickTime going fullscreen, scrolling, dock etc... it has gaps!!! I can't believe it and hope this is gonna be fixed (I think this is related to Intel GMA graphics on my MacBook and users with normal video-cards won't have such problems)

[arkmannj]

Yar, the illegal PIRATED version you are using might still have a few bugs that won't be in the final version.

I certainly hope this is the case.
Especially with the CS3 (Photoshop). I need CS3 to work properly.

[sw1tcher]

i've honestly never understood torrents. dont they take days to dl?

Maybe if you're on dial-up

[petvas]

Maybe if you're on dial-up

Why do you assume everything is downloaded from torrents? I downloaded my copy from another source I wont mention here. I have a 25Mbit line and I could use the whole bandwidth for the download! It finished in 30 mins!

[skiphunt]

When I upgrade to Leopard, it will be on my G5 2Ghz DP desktop, and my MacBookPro Intel 2.3Ghz machines.

If you really don't care that much about the new features... are there any other reasons to upgrade? Does it make everything on your machine faster at all? Or just apps like iLife? Will apps like Photoshop, Motion, FCP, etc. run any faster with faster render times? Or are all the speed increases limited to the new OS features only?

[petvas]

When I upgrade to Leopard, it will be on my G5 2Ghz DP desktop, and my MacBookPro Intel 2.3Ghz machines.

If you really don't care that much about the new features... are there any other reasons to upgrade? Does it make everything on your machine faster at all? Or just apps like iLife? Will apps like Photoshop, Motion, FCP, etc. run any faster with faster render times? Or are all the speed increases limited to the new OS features only?

Its definitely faster but It wont affect rendering, processing times etc...The OS itself is optimized for multiple cores. You ll see a speed improvement in the OS components. If you dont care about that or the new feature dont upgrade.
I would suggest that u get it though for your laptop.

[ricgnzlzcr]

If anyone has a G4 to try it on feel free to post something about it :p

[petvas]

I just finished an iChat session with a friend that still has tiger. I could use all effects without a problem! Sharing iPhoto, playing videos, everything was possible. The quality was also great and I could play in realtime videos! The other could watch them with no issues! He has only 768Kbps but he didnt have any problems!
I find the new iChat one of the best features of Leopard!

[jholzner]

I just finished an iChat session with a friend that still has tiger. I could use all effects without a problem! Sharing iPhoto, playing videos, everything was possible. The quality was also great and I could play in realtime videos! The other could watch them with no issues! He has only 768Kbps but he didnt have any problems!
I find the new iChat one of the best features of Leopard!

Was this on your iMac or Macbook? I have a 2.16 C2D Macbook with 2GB of RAM. Another guy in this thread was saying now slow Leopard was on his Macbook so I'm getting kinda worried. How smooth is it on your Macbook?

[petvas]

Was this on your iMac or Macbook? I have a 2.16 C2D Macbook with 2GB of RAM. Another guy in this thread was saying now slow Leopard was on his Macbook so I'm getting kinda worried. How smooth is it on your Macbook?

I am using Leopard on my Macbook for the last two hours and the performance is very good. No slow downs, nothing!

[psychofreak]

I am using Leopard on my Macbook for the last two hours and the performance is very good. No slow downs, nothing!

Hopefully it will be the same for those of us with 1GB RAM...

[stallion187]

Why do you assume everything is downloaded from torrents? I downloaded my copy from another source I wont mention here. I have a 25Mbit line and I could use the whole bandwidth for the download! It finished in 30 mins!

Dude, you got it from usenet, it's not like it's a big secret.

Still this raises an interesting point.

If you legitimately pay for software, does it matter how you obtain it?

You don't actually pay to own software, you pay to license it. So if you are in possession of a legal, valid license, it really doesn't matter how you obtained the actual bytes of data, does it?

BTW I loved the wife-beater!

[petvas]

Ok, I had on both my machines various widgets, some of them were the same on both sides. I enabled syncing of the dashboard widgets through .Mac and after that I saw that on my Macbook all Widgets were copied. There were many duplicates which I had to delete. After doing that syncing works ok.

[stallion187]

Just give an idea of different machine install speed:

It took exactly 35 minutes to install from an old I-pod photo onto a macbook 2.16Ghz Core2Duo, 1GB RAM.

Edit: I used the 'upgrade' method, not 'clean' install as it were.

You can place the Leopard image (obviously obtained legally) onto an ipod and install it off there?

[TAV]

My friend, who works for a very large multimedia software company, got his legit copy of Leopard today and just installed it on his Macbook Pro. So *SOME* people are receiving copies already..

That is correct. Although in this case, the SoCal fires unofficially closed our offices. As a mass switch is scheduled for next week, some people chose to get upgraded and kill time out of the office with Leopard. Early upgrades were offered to a few of us, and I was willing to go to the office to have it done.

FWIW, the installation took 31 minutes on a 2GHz Core Duo and went very smoothly, followed by an initial restart of 2-3 minutes and the "Welcome" diddy. Software Update requested an update to the Remote Desktop Client (3.2.1). Spotlight Indexing took approximately 27 minutes.

I've just arrived back home to start playing around...

[psychofreak]

Why do you assume everything is downloaded from torrents? I downloaded my copy from another source I wont mention here. I have a 25Mbit line and I could use the whole bandwidth for the download! It finished in 30 mins!

If I were going to pirate it (I can wait a few days) I would use Rapidshare...

[petvas]

If I were going to pirate it (I can wait a few days) I would use Rapidshare...

No it wasnt Rapidshare nor any other sharing website. Let's focus on Leopard here!

[sedarby]

I've just checked my order details on my 5 license pack; it says it's "prepared for shipping". I'm assuming this means it will be dispatched tomorrow for delivery on Friday (fingers crossed). Assuming that Apple haven't paid the courier firms to only deliver after 6pm, I should receive it earlier than the launch time - am I a) going to need to change my nationality to German and b) going to get lynched for having it before the people buying it in person? :)

Of course! :) Lynching should cease now that the subject of all this torment has bravely stepped forward and explained the situation. Personally, I just appreciate the information he provided, no matter how he attained the product. I don't really consider it any of my business or anyone elses for that matter.

[ryan]

Really pathetic that Appple does not release it to there developer and enterprise customers even a little more then two day's before the release. At this rate I will have to go a buy a final copy for enterprise integration on Friday or wait until a week after the commercial release to recieve a copy of server adn client. Apple wake up and realize that even though you could have Enterprise penetration this is exactly why you do not. It is going to leak anyway so why not release it to those that have been testing and probably wouldn't leak it, unlike the way you give the gm to all the users in your company and have them install it themselves. O.K rant done sorry....

You're pretty brave to be installing what amounts to a 1.0 version of a new OS the day it is released across an entire "enterprise". If this upgrade really was critical to you you could have become an Apple Enterprise customer and/or a Apple Developer both of whom have access to new/unreleased builds of OSX (and other pieces of software).

[stallion187]

No it wasnt Rapidshare nor any other sharing website. Let's focus on Leopard here!

How did you install it? Can you install Leopard over zee network?

[petvas]

How did you install it? Can you install Leopard over zee network?
I just put the DVD in, clicked on Install, put my password and rebooted the computer (that step was automatically done). 30 minutes later I was in Leopard!
Network installs? I dont know, but I dont think so

[petvas]

Dude, you got it from usenet, it's not like it's a big secret.

Still this raises an interesting point.

If you legitimately pay for software, does it matter how you obtain it?

You don't actually pay to own software, you pay to license it. So if you are in possession of a legal, valid license, it really doesn't matter how you obtained the actual bytes of data, does it?

BTW I loved the wife-beater!

thats my point exactly!

[smueboy]

I'm glad to hear that the first impressions of Leopard, as well as installing and running are good (wherever it came from). I've pre-ordered mine, but i am always interested to hear of any major problems before i do a major upgrade. That said, time to backup before friday...

[MrCrowbar]

Anyone knows if Quicksilver is working with Leopard?
If so, is it better/same/worst as with Tiger?

QS worsk, but the plugins (Adress book etc.) won't. So you can only use it as application launcher for now. But it's open source now so it won't be long until it's fully operational in Leopard.

[weaverra]

I just put the DVD in, clicked on Install, put my password and rebooted the computer (that step was automatically done). 30 minutes later I was in Leopard!
Network installs? I dont know, but I dont think so

They say about an hour on the apple website on the overview video because there is about 3 times the data of Tiger.

[weaverra]

I'm glad to hear that the first impressions of Leopard, as well as installing and running are good (wherever it came from). I've pre-ordered mine, but i am always interested to hear of any major problems before i do a major upgrade. That said, time to backup before friday...

What have we learned that we already didn't know?

[Palestrina]

What have we learned that we already didn't know?

We learned that it's pretty much everything we've heard so far, with nothing new. Oh, sorry, it takes at least 30 minutes to load on a Core Duo. Not to discount Leopard, I'm really looking forward to it! Should be sweet.

We also learned some people take offense to illegally obtained copies (or maybe just early copies) and others will defend them to the bitter end. It's really not much different debating the merits of hacking an iPhone. Both actions may result in great outcomes. The iPhone will be open to 3rd party developers and the early Leopard installers might catch some early bugs and get Apple cranking on some patches for the rest of us. Do the ends justify the means? Ah, grasshopper...

I wonder what feature most people are going to purchase Leopard for? For me, it's a tossup between Mail and Time Machine.

[mashinhead]

i want to know how safari handles pdfs. because in tiger it sucks really really bad. i hate it. and it's strange because preview opens them super fast.

[majordude]

FWIW, the installation took 31 minutes on a 2GHz Core Duo and went very smoothly, followed by an initial restart of 2-3 minutes and the "Welcome" diddy. Software Update requested an update to the Remote Desktop Client (3.2.1). Spotlight Indexing took approximately 27 minutes.

Any updates to 10.5 available from Apple's update service yet?

[TAV]

Any updates to 10.5 available from Apple's update service yet?

Just the one:

http://images1.filecloud.com/617310/381.jpg

[maverick808]

QS worsk, but the plugins (Adress book etc.) won't. So you can only use it as application launcher for now. But it's open source now so it won't be long until it's fully operational in Leopard.

Actually, there's already a new version of Quicksilver that fully works in Leopard. I have all the plugins downloading, installing and working here. Just run update from inside QS prefs.

[nemaslov]

I look forward to hearing four-minute songs played in three minutes. Might all sound a bit soprano but that's the price you pay for progress.

so everything will sound like the Bee Gees?:D

[Ibjr]

Call me crazy, but couldn't Apple detect some of the people using Leopard by watching the new .mac sync features and who's tapped into them early? They have your name and address etc. all right there with the subscription.

Worth chancing it for playing 2 days early?

Ya. Lets go out of our way to get users who spend an extra 100 a year on us... Brilliant.:rolleyes:

[psychofreak]

QS worsk, but the plugins (Adress book etc.) won't. So you can only use it as application launcher for now. But it's open source now so it won't be long until it's fully operational in Leopard.

Nooooo! I may hold of installation of 10.5 then!

[Ibjr]

Yar, the illegal PIRATED version you are using might still have a few bugs that won't be in the final version.

Thank you for being constructive. Clearly you don't know how builds work.

[maverick808]

Nooooo! I may hold of installation of 10.5 then!

Dude, I posted just after that message that it worked...

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/3696/picture1qu7.th.png (http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture1qu7.png)

[irahodges]

I wonder what feature most people are going to purchase Leopard for? For me, it's a tossup between Mail and Time Machine.

My top four reasons for buying are: 1) Spaces, 2) iChat, 3) Time Machine, 4) Mail...and the list goes on

But if all Leopard had was a new dock and finder...I honestly would still buy it! :D

[Capt. Obvious]

Here's to the one percent!!!

To be honest with you, at this stage, I've no love for a company that refuses to charge equally around the world for a product. why does America pay so much less then anywhere else? It's not as if they have any translation costs or anything to Ireland is it??? Apple produce great software and superb hardware but I'm not willing to pay more then my fair share for something.

exchange rates: look into it

[AJ Muni]

Any1 on leopard having airport issues? My connection seems to be dropping lately, but then is back up in seconds. Also when I click the airport icon in the menu bar, it's not showing the other wireless connections that may be available..

[twoodcc]

Nooooo! I may hold of installation of 10.5 then!

i never was good at quicksilver (btw, that's the name of my mac pro :p )

[psychofreak]

Dude, I posted just after that message that it worked...

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/3696/picture1qu7.th.png (http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture1qu7.png)

Thank god! Please could someone check out Menufela (http://ninjakitten.us/) to tell me if it works? Thats my other essential app...

[Jetson]

If Leopard makes everything run snappier then I won't need to upgrade from my iMac G5 2.1 20" to a new iMac 2.8 Intel Duo Core Extreme 24" for a while.

I want to wait until all the hardware bugs are worked out in those aluminum case models.

[jstad]

I hope to see that the mail enhancements are significant enough to keep me from using Office 2008 when it comes out for Mac. Entourage would have had my emails a long time ago if it was not for rosetta emulation. :mad:

[nosaj070]

i just installed on an Ibook G4 1.2 with 768gb ram and it is a mess. Havn't installed anything, but the beachball is a regular occurrence. I'm waiting to get my MBP from apple, but it should run alright on there, but to reiterate it is a mess on a g4.

[irahodges]

i just installed on an Ibook G4 1.2 with 768gb ram and it is a mess. Havn't installed anything, but the beachball is a regular occurrence. I'm waiting to get my MBP from apple, but it should run alright on there, but to reiterate it is a mess on a g4.

if you JUST installed it, that is because it is indexing spotlight and allocating the majority of your resources to doing that first

[Chris Welch]

hmmmmm

[Multimedia]

Just the one:

http://images1.filecloud.com/617310/381.jpgTAV Where are your box photos?

[kagharaht]

I hope this is wrong. Mossy just said it only works on drives connected to Mac machines running Leopard? So we can't use Time Machine on Network mounted drives at work? Or NAS drives on Windows centric environments?

[hadleydb]

TAV Where are your box photos?

The final version wouldn't have a build number as seen in the photo would it?

[Sijmen]

The final version wouldn't have a build number as seen in the photo would it?

It does, just like Tiger. Just go to the About window and click the version number under the large 'Mac OS X' (like: 10.4.11), and you'll see the build number. Click once again, and you'll see your serial number.

[Multimedia]

The final version wouldn't have a build number as seen in the photo would it?We need photos of the shipping box, the retail box, the DVD jacket, the literature, the DVD(s) included - not screen shots. Screen shots can be done by any old ADC member. We Are looking for proof the retail box has reached anyone. So far we only have proof from Germany.

[hadleydb]

It does, just like Tiger. Just go to the About window and click the version number under the large 'Mac OS X' (like: 10.4.11), and you'll see the build number. Click once again, and you'll see your serial number.

Alright I just haven't ever noticed it before. :) I do want to see some box shots though. I can't wait!!!

Edit: Cool! I tried it and it does reveal the build number. Thanks for the info!

[MSD401]

not sure if anyone pointed this out .....but in the mossberg review he stated:
"I was still able to run Windows XP via Fusion. "

personally that is huge considering everything i could find from VMware was that they have yet to announce leapord compatibility!!!

SWEET!

[psychofreak]

not sure if anyone pointed this out .....but in the mossberg review he stated:
"I was still able to run Windows XP via Fusion. "

personally that is huge considering everything i could find from VMware was that they have yet to announce leapord compatibility!!!

SWEET!

They have stated that 1.1 beta is Leopard compatible...its in the feature list...

[petvas]

Dude, I posted just after that message that it worked...

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/3696/picture1qu7.th.png (http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=picture1qu7.png)

I am sorry but you have the GM candidate and not the Retail Version. See attachments!

[petvas]

It does, just like Tiger. Just go to the About window and click the version number under the large 'Mac OS X' (like: 10.4.11), and you'll see the build number. Click once again, and you'll see your serial number.

The final version of Leopard doesnt display the build version on the about window. You have to open system info to see it. Read my previous post!

[petvas]

Many of you said I am a pirate...Well have a look at the attachment.
My Family Pack is ready for shipment. I wonder when it will ship

[vansouza]

Many of you said I am a pirate...Well have a look at the attachment.
My Family Pack is ready for shipment. I wonder when it will ship

If you ware an eye patch and have a parrot on your shoulder squawking walk the plank mate... you likely a pirate. You will still be what you are when it is delivered too. lol :D :eek:

[Chris Welch]

The final version of Leopard doesnt display the build version on the about window.

Uh, yes. Yes it does.

[edesignuk]

The final version of Leopard doesnt display the build version on the about window. You have to open system info to see it. Read my previous post!All versions of OS X display the build number, the OS version and the serial number. Open About this Mac and click where it says 10.5, it will cycle though these details.

[peestandingup]

I wonder if this guy uses that many exclamations in his day to day life.

Hello, dear! How was your day today!!

Goodnight, kids!!!

[kanketsu]

Hi everyone.

5. And this is something that makes me worry - my macbook goes into "cpu fan-mode" much much more often then in tiger - it makes me think that battery life would be notably shorter in leopard


Now that concerns me, too. I am currently really, really happy with my recently purchased Macbook being really, really quiet (the average temp is abot 57-61 when browsing using Opera, the fan is set to 2000rpm).

I was wondering if the increasing fan work is the norm in the upgrade's result, or just an isolated case. Could someone else confirm this?

[espoir]

Now that concerns me, too. I am currently really, really happy with my recently purchased Macbook being really, really quiet (the average temp is abot 57-61 when browsing using Opera, the fan is set to 2000rpm).

I was wondering if the increasing fan work is the norm in the upgrade's result, or just an isolated case. Could someone else confirm this?

I doubt that this is my "isolated case" cause I purchased my MacBook only 1 and a half months ago, and it runs great on Tiger - really really quiet

[petvas]

All versions of OS X display the build number, the OS version and the serial number. Open About this Mac and click where it says 10.5, it will cycle though these details.

You are right!

[petvas]

I wonder if this guy uses that many exclamations in his day to day life.

Hello, dear! How was your day today!!

Goodnight, kids!!!

hahaha

[kanketsu]

I doubt that this is my "isolated case" cause I purchased my MacBook only 1 and a half months ago, and it runs great on Tiger - really really quiet

Ouch. Suddenly, my urge to upgrade has been down a little bit... :D
BTW, could you describe how noisy the fan noise now, compared to running under Tiger? Perhaps in rpm or how often the fan kick in?

[TBi]

Many of you said I am a pirate...Well have a look at the attachment.
My Family Pack is ready for shipment. I wonder when it will ship

Why worry what other people think of you, especially some anonymous forum "posters"**. As long as you know you are a good person inside then you should be content in that.


**"Posters" is a nice name for some of the people online...

[espoir]

Ouch. Suddenly, my urge to upgrade has been down a little bit... :D
BTW, could you describe how noisy the fan noise now, compared to running under Tiger? Perhaps in rpm or how often the fan kick in?

Ok let me put it this way... at the moment I am in tiger and I have:
FireWire drive connected to it (it takes energy and makes inside elements be warmer), I have Safari, several Finder windows, Adobe Dreamweaver CS3, Dashboard, iCal, QuickTime, Adium, iTunes and Photobooth open at the same time and i don't hear my MacBook - fan speed has never been changed from it's defaults - the system is running smooth and the sound of my fan going wild for couple of seconds occures very very rare

If I'm in leopard (which I installed on the FireWire disk for testing purposes) I can hear my fan going faster with noise very often EVEN if I just run standart applications like PhotoBooth. I wish I could test it without firewire drive to compare battery life in both systems but I can't at the moment.

What is more dissapointing for me is that interface in Leopard is not as smooth as in Tiger (and again I refer that to Intel GMA graphics in MacBooks) - dock not smooth (even in 2D view on the side), dashboard opens as if it has nerveous breakdown :), QuickTime goes fullscreen with gaps....

The strange thing is that things like QuickLook or CoverFlow work amazingly fast and smooth so there's no doubt that slow-interface-problems is a bug and I really hope it's gonna be fixed in short time...

And there's one more thing - I've been trying to connect my Leopard to Vista PC over my home WiFi network for many hours now - no results - and in Tiger it is ok automatically - no problems at all

by the way - the similar story was with build 559 which I tested too

[maverick808]

If I'm in leopard (which I installed on the FireWire disk for testing purposes) I can hear my fan going faster with noise very often EVEN if I just run standart applications like PhotoBooth. I wish I could test it without firewire drive to compare battery life in both systems but I can't at the moment.

I've installed Leopard on both my iMac and my MacBook Pro. I can tell you with 100% certainty that battery life on the MacBook Pro has gone to hell. The main culprit, although there are many others, seems to be the .Mac sync process. If left on "automatic" (which I had done on Tiger) it seems to want to sync every 5 minutes. When it does it takes about 50-80% CPU, and takes about 2-3 minutes to sync. This long and CPU intensive task obviously causes the fans to spin up and the battery to drain quickly.

For just now I've had to change my .Mac sync to only 'once a day', which is certainly not ideal. Even with this process only going once a day, there are a bunch of other background tasks Leopard seems to do frequently that are draining battery life quite a lot. I'd say I'm getting at most 60% of the battery life I was getting in Tiger. :(

I do like Leopard overall, I just wish it wasn't killing my battery.

[petvas]

On my Macbook Leopard is smooth and fast. No change in battery life

[petvas]

After using RSS feeds in Mail.app for the last two days, I can say that I am disappointed. They dont work so well like in Safari. Updating seems to be a problem and many times they disappear from Mail. Restarting Mail seems to temporarily fix the problem but that makes me use Safari as the default RSS reader

[espoir]

On my Macbook Leopard is smooth and fast. No change in battery life

That is strange and as I may suppose there are some possible reasons for that
1) You are very loyal fan closing eyes for bugs and just happy with new OS
2) We have different MacBook - it may be different CPU (mine is Intel 2.0 C2D) or different ROM-versions (mine is MB21.00A5.B07)

If first is not true and neither is second one --- we certanly have poltergeist here :) :)

[petvas]

That is strange and as I may suppose there are some possible reasons for that
1) You are very loyal fan closing eyes for bugs and just happy with new OS
2) We have different MacBook - it may be different CPU (mine is Intel 2.0 C2D) or different ROM-versions (mine is MB21.00A5.B07)

If first is not true and neither is second one --- we certanly have poltergeist here :) :)

I am a fan but when I see a problem I say it

[majordude]

All versions of OS X display the build number, the OS version and the serial number. Open About this Mac and click where it says 10.5, it will cycle though these details.

Cool. Never noticed that. What is the serial number? Is that to the computer itself or to the OS? :confused:

[Sijmen]

Cool. Never noticed that. What is the serial number? Is that to the computer itself or to the OS? :confused:

Of your Mac. Tech support will tell you to go there when they need it.

[LastZion]

Anyone else have a problem with Parallels?
When I first installed Leopard, all was good including Parallels, but now it no longer works. In the in between, I tried to use the Boot Camp assistant to set up a small partition (which failed 3 times) and now Parallels won't load.

Anyone else have Parallels working fine?

[taeclee99]

Anyone else have a problem with Parallels?
When I first installed Leopard, all was good including Parallels, but now it no longer works. In the in between, I tried to use the Boot Camp assistant to set up a small partition (which failed 3 times) and now Parallels won't load.

Anyone else have Parallels working fine?


Make sure you are using the latest version of parallels. You can also try reinstalling the program if all else fails.

[petvas]

I dont know if Parallels works, VMWare Fusion works ok though.

[madmax_2069]

i would love to see how Leopard runs on a non laptop G4 Mac. a mini, or QS G4, MDD G4.

weird i see a page 18 but my post get put on page 17, when i click on page 18 page 17 get reloaded again. i wonder what thats all about

[petvas]

I wrote before that RSS Feeds do not get updated correctly in Mail.app
Removing the feed and reinserting it did the job. Now RSS Feeds work ok in Mail.app

[XM Rules]

Many of you said I am a pirate...Well have a look at the attachment.
My Family Pack is ready for shipment. I wonder when it will ship

As long as you can sleep at night, that's all that matters. Here's what you did:

1. Ordered Leopard
2. Used the ordering of it as a "right" to download a copy that was not sanctioned by Apple to be posted on the web
3. Installed Leopard
4. Paid for Leopard (remember, you did not PAY until your card was charged, and your card was not charged until the item was shipped)
5. Lied to this board that you had a contact at Apple, implying that you obtained from Apple an authorized copy, when in truth, you did not

This does not mean you did everything legally, from a technical perspective. It's like saying:

1. "I will stop my car at some point" (equivalent to your ordering Leopard)
2. Running the red light (equivalent to your download of an unauthorized copy of Leopard)
3. Subsequently stopping the car (equivalent to paying when your card was charged after download, at the time of shipment)
4. Trying to say that you were authorized to run the red light because you intended to stop later, and then did stop.

You did not have any "rights" when you ordered Leopard, and you did not have any EULA to protect you because you had not paid for the license at the time you downloaded the unauthorized copy -- you merely placed an order and were charged AFTER you had downloaded the copy.

You know that Apple is unlikely to do anything to you. However, your arrogance is amazing. Most on this forum could care less what you do because they are chomping at the bit for how Leopard works and any reliable information is welcome. However, let's call a spade a spade -- your rationalization of what you did does not mean you did anything legal.

Sleep tight...

[limited ability]

A few things I've noticed in the first hours of Leopard use:


When I close the lid, my Macbook doesn't sleep ... It just locks the computer. I can tell because the light in the front doesn't throb and the computer stays warm, and every few minutes it makes a small noise from the DVD drive.
My keyboard doesn't work. Yep, that's right, I can't type unless I turn on my Bluetooth keyboard or plug in a USB one. Maybe I didn't check off an option but this is pretty ridiculous.
Animations are choppier, but then again I'm using a MB and not a MBP or Mac Pro for that matter.
I was able to install it off a USB drive (not Firewire).
Upgrading went smoothly, though now with these problems I'm having I might have to Archive & Install a fresh copy.


Please advise if you know anything about the keyboard. I wasn't able to find anything on Google.

[petvas]

As long as you can sleep at night, that's all that matters. Here's what you did:

1. Ordered Leopard
2. Used the ordering of it as a "right" to download a copy that was not sanctioned by Apple to be posted on the web
3. Installed Leopard
4. Paid for Leopard (remember, you did not PAY until your card was charged, and your card was not charged until the item was shipped)
5. Lied to this board that you had a contact at Apple, implying that you obtained from Apple an authorized copy, when in truth, you did not

This does not mean you did everything legally, from a technical perspective. It's like saying:

1. "I will stop my car at some point" (equivalent to your ordering Leopard)
2. Running the red light (equivalent to your download of an unauthorized copy of Leopard)
3. Subsequently stopping the car (equivalent to paying when your card was charged after download, at the time of shipment)
4. Trying to say that you were authorized to run the red light because you intended to stop later, and then did stop.

You did not have any "rights" when you ordered Leopard, and you did not have any EULA to protect you because you had not paid for the license at the time you downloaded the unauthorized copy -- you merely placed an order and were charged AFTER you had downloaded the copy.

You know that Apple is unlikely to do anything to you. However, your arrogance is amazing. Most on this forum could care less what you do because they are chomping at the bit for how Leopard works and any reliable information is welcome. However, let's call a spade a spade -- your rationalization of what you did does not mean you did anything legal.

Sleep tight...

My VISA card was charged on Tuesday! At least the amount was booked for this transaction.
I don't have to answer to you. Its my fault that I wanted all of you to get heads up information on Leopard.
You are arrogant, not me. You are behaving as if I killed someone. I won't lose any more time with you.
This thread is all about Leopard, not your ideas about whats legal or not.

[XM Rules]

My VISA card was charged on Tuesday! At least the amount was booked for this transaction.
I don't have to answer to you. Its my fault that I wanted all of you to get heads up information on Leopard.
You are arrogant, not me. You are behaving as if I killed someone. I won't lose any more time with you.
This thread is all about Leopard, not your ideas about whats legal or not.


Look! The emperor's not wearing any clothes.

We appreciate the info, but you still did something you were not authorized to do, no matter how much you try to rationalize it. If you shoplift, then offer to pay for it later, you still have shoplifted. Get it?

[majordude]

We appreciate the info, but you still did something you were not authorized to do, no matter how much you try to rationalize it.

Jeez, let it go. You're acting like those self righteous Prius drivers who drive the exact speed limit in the express lanes of SoCal and have no one in front of them and a parade of cars behind them.

[XM Rules]

Jeez, let it go. You're acting like those self righteous Prius drivers who drive the exact speed limit in the express lanes of SoCal and have no one in front of them and a parade of cars behind them.

Nah, when I speed (which is often), I admit it!! (Isn't there too much traffic there to speed?!!?)

Looking forward to Leopard . . .

[petvas]

A few things I've noticed in the first hours of Leopard use:


When I close the lid, my Macbook doesn't sleep ... It just locks the computer. I can tell because the light in the front doesn't throb and the computer stays warm, and every few minutes it makes a small noise from the DVD drive.
My keyboard doesn't work. Yep, that's right, I can't type unless I turn on my Bluetooth keyboard or plug in a USB one. Maybe I didn't check off an option but this is pretty ridiculous.
Animations are choppier, but then again I'm using a MB and not a MBP or Mac Pro for that matter.
I was able to install it off a USB drive (not Firewire).
Upgrading went smoothly, though now with these problems I'm having I might have to Archive & Install a fresh copy.


Please advise if you know anything about the keyboard. I wasn't able to find anything on Google.

My Macbook sleeps when the I close the lid. The performance is also better than with Tiger. Keyboard works also. I installed it over Tiger.

[maverick808]

Nah, when I speed (which is often), I admit it!! (Isn't there too much traffic there to speed?!!?)

Looking forward to Leopard . . .

You made up the shoplifting analogy yourself and are now complaining people don't agree with it. I think it's a poor one anyway. People frequently go into shops and walk out with items on "Buy now, pay later" deals. This would be more accurate for what this guy has done.

Anyway, who cares? At the end of the day he's paid or paying. Apple get the same amount of money, he gets a copy of Leopard on his machine... who cares? It's petty, let it go.

[Axeon]

Here are a few things I've noticed with Leopard on my PowerBook G4:

* Mail, Safari and Finder all crashed within the first 10 minutes of use, but not anymore after that.
* My laptop originally came w/ two 256MB sticks, one of which I replaced with a 1GB stick from NewEgg. Oddly, only the non-Apple RAM is being recognized. Perhaps Leopard doesn't recognizes 256MB sticks anymore? Seems odd, since it worked under Tiger.
* Microsoft Word takes FOREVER to open! But everything else seems faster and more responsive.
* The 3D dock is retarded. Changed it to the 2D one using that little tip on Daring Fireball.

[Whoshnot]

Some remarks after using Leopard on an alu iMac.

- Hotmail does not work anymore in Mail using the httpmail-hack (but that was something to be expected of course - third party issues hmm).
- Front Row sux now IMHO, in the old version the music kept playing, even if you left Front Row, now it suddenly stops just by going to a different menu.
- Spotlight is finally as fast as it has should have been.
- You can not browse further when selecting a map in a stack folder. It just opens the map in the finder. Although it might have been too complicated to implement it anyway.
- The transparency in the menu can indeed be confusing sometimes.
- I like some little things that Apple has changed, i.e. when pressing command-shift-4 to make a screenshot you see which pixels you are selecting.
- and of course Safari is snappier ;)

[ludodivx]

hey all.
I'm having problems in front row. When i'm trying to play a video with a .srt file, everything is fine, but I get a black screen with sound playing as soon as the first subtitle should be displayed. It's really weird since everything works fine in quicktime player... Maybe a problem of perian not being leopard ready ?
Anyone having the same problem ?
I'm from France so please excuse my english :)
Thanks :)

[Ibjr]

Look! The emperor's not wearing any clothes.

We appreciate the info, but you still did something you were not authorized to do, no matter how much you try to rationalize it. If you shoplift, then offer to pay for it later, you still have shoplifted. Get it?

His CC was charged for Leopard, Apple lost no property, and he has his goods. How is that shop lifting?

Next you bring in the laughable concept of authorization. Please explain this to me? Everyone must get authorization directly from Apple to run their software? Please tell me how I go about this, my DVD comes tomorrow and I want to waste as little time as possible.

[scotty588]

For the people that have Leopard installed already are any of you having problems with Quicksilver sitting in the dock even though in the pref its select not to. I made sure I had the show icon in dock unchecked although it still sits there and I when I try to update QS it just stalls and doesn't do anything.

[pad07]

Hoping to receive my copy of Leopard today (Friday). I want to reinstall from scratch and anew, but obviously I want to keep my stuff.

Anyone know the best way to backup and restore:

- iTunes library
- iPhoto library
- etc

Presumably also to reinstall iLife 08 I could use my MacBook disk and use the 'Install bundled software' option AFTER Leopard? That would work, right?

Thanks in advance.

[limited ability]

Hoping to receive my copy of Leopard today (Friday). I want to reinstall from scratch and anew, but obviously I want to keep my stuff.

Anyone know the best way to backup and restore:

- iTunes library
- iPhoto library
- etc

Presumably also to reinstall iLife 08 I could use my MacBook disk and use the 'Install bundled software' option AFTER Leopard? That would work, right?

Thanks in advance.

iBackup is an option.

[limited ability]

A few things I've noticed in the first hours of Leopard use:


When I close the lid, my Macbook doesn't sleep ... It just locks the computer. I can tell because the light in the front doesn't throb and the computer stays warm, and every few minutes it makes a small noise from the DVD drive.
My keyboard doesn't work. Yep, that's right, I can't type unless I turn on my Bluetooth keyboard or plug in a USB one. Maybe I didn't check off an option but this is pretty ridiculous.
Animations are choppier, but then again I'm using a MB and not a MBP or Mac Pro for that matter.
I was able to install it off a USB drive (not Firewire).
Upgrading went smoothly, though now with these problems I'm having I might have to Archive & Install a fresh copy.


Please advise if you know anything about the keyboard. I wasn't able to find anything on Google.

To follow up, I've been having problems with my Macbook and Leopard all day. For starters, I still haven't gotten the keyboard problem resolved. I searched high and low and this appears to be an isolated case. I tried booting in safe mode and my keyboard didn't work there either. It detects the Keyboard / Trackpad in System Profiler, though (weird).

Also, to remedy the sleep problem I tried resetting the PRAM and turning off "safe sleep" in Terminal. The latter caused my computer to endlessly cycle wake-sleep patterns when the lid was closed. When I put the setting back and rebooted, Leopard didn't detect my battery. I turned my MB upside down too see the battery lights all lit up (without me pressing them). I took the magsafe connector out and the system shut off.

So far Leopard has claimed two victims in my Macbook, the keyboard and the battery :(

[XM Rules]

His CC was charged for Leopard, Apple lost no property, and he has his goods. How is that shop lifting?

Next you bring in the laughable concept of authorization. Please explain this to me? Everyone must get authorization directly from Apple to run their software? Please tell me how I go about this, my DVD comes tomorrow and I want to waste as little time as possible.

I'd hate for you to waste your time tomorrow! Perhaps I was not clear -- by ordering Leopard, he argues that he was allowed (authorized/entitled) by Apple to download an unauthorized copy of the software that was, no doubt, illegally posted on the web. I really don't care if folks copy software they should not; I really don't care if someone buys a single license copy and puts it on 10 machines. I do care when someone comes to a forum, lies about obtaining a copy from an insider at Apple, then when completely owned, makes a bogus claim that using an illegally obtained, unauthorized copy of Leopard is justified by subsequently paying for a license. You really can't put the toothpaste back into the tube. I certainly appreciate his experience with Leopard - it answered quite a few questions.

You may now use your DVD upon receipt (hopefully at 10.31AM after delivery) -- my mailroom (also in DC) is a bit slow in getting our packages to us. I'll be waiting patiently as well.

Enjoy...

[DMann]

Look! The emperor's not wearing any clothes.

We appreciate the info, but you still did something you were not authorized to do, no matter how much you try to rationalize it. If you shoplift, then offer to pay for it later, you still have shoplifted. Get it?

What REALLY gets me is the fact that all those crooked developers in Cupertino have been using copies of Leopard WAY before its release, and to add insult to injury, do so without even paying for it. The nerve!

[zweigand]

After using RSS feeds in Mail.app for the last two days, I can say that I am disappointed. They dont work so well like in Safari. Updating seems to be a problem and many times they disappear from Mail. Restarting Mail seems to temporarily fix the problem but that makes me use Safari as the default RSS reader

RSS is only done right in one app. NetNewsWire Lite :D

[kanketsu]

A few things I've noticed in the first hours of Leopard use:


When I close the lid, my Macbook doesn't sleep ... It just locks the computer. I can tell because the light in the front doesn't throb and the computer stays warm, and every few minutes it makes a small noise from the DVD drive.
My keyboard doesn't work. Yep, that's right, I can't type unless I turn on my Bluetooth keyboard or plug in a USB one. Maybe I didn't check off an option but this is pretty ridiculous.
Animations are choppier, but then again I'm using a MB and not a MBP or Mac Pro for that matter.
I was able to install it off a USB drive (not Firewire).
Upgrading went smoothly, though now with these problems I'm having I might have to Archive & Install a fresh copy.


Please advise if you know anything about the keyboard. I wasn't able to find anything on Google.

Double ouch. Now I do want to wait before do the upgrade. :(

[interfuse]

I'm running 10.5 on a PM G5 Quad 2.5GHz. Everything working fine so far. Seems a lot more efficient, Safari especially.

One feature I just noticed is when you're using the HELP search, it points to certain features in response to your search query. For example, while in Safari, click HELP and search for "Tab", then hold the mouse cursor over one of the Menu Item results.

[ShavenYak]

A few things I've noticed in the first hours of Leopard use:

When I close the lid, my Macbook doesn't sleep ... It just locks the computer. I can tell because the light in the front doesn't throb and the computer stays warm, and every few minutes it makes a small noise from the DVD drive.
I had that happen to my MacBook quite often in Tiger. I just now closed my lid for the first time since installing Leopard and it went to sleep perfectly. Of course, this is just one time so far.

My keyboard doesn't work. Yep, that's right, I can't type unless I turn on my Bluetooth keyboard or plug in a USB one. Maybe I didn't check off an option but this is pretty ridiculous.
Clearly mine works. This is weird...

Upgrading went smoothly, though now with these problems I'm having I might have to Archive & Install a fresh copy.

Yup, I think I'd give that a shot if I were you. I did a clean install, myself (even repartitioned the drive - my aftermarket drive was set up with Apple Partition Map and the installer balked) and haven't had any issues.

[psychofreak]

RSS is only done right in one app. NetNewsWire Lite :D

Is it bad in Mail? I would be using Newsfire if I had money :(

[Manic Mouse]

I feel really bad for you guys having problems installing Leopard. This is my first OSX update (a recent switcher) and the upgrade went without a hitch. I'm really impressed at how painless it was.

In fact it fixed many things. My computer used to whine at me when I put my Mac to sleep with external HDDs connected over a hub, now it works fine!

[zweigand]

Is it bad in Mail? I would be using Newsfire if I had money :(
I like it in Mail a lot better than in Safari. You can even have specific threads show up in your Inbox if you want. Although I still prefer to keep my RSS in a separate app. Have you tried NetNewsWire Lite? (it's the free version)

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2678/mailaq5.jpg

[vansouza]

Is it bad in Mail? I would be using Newsfire if I had money :(
Is that the same newsfire we got with our MacHeist bundle?

[Billy Bob]

1) Having had a look at the guys Photoboth Photos, I think he has been punished enough with the looks he has. Reminds me of a dirty old fish 'n chip shop owner with hairy shoulders/back.

2) People do anything to justify their actions when breaking the law - for me, I'm going to wait, not only for moral reaosns but because I want to have the 'excitement' of actually receiving the genuine thing, installing it. They say that if you wait for something you desire, it'll feel all the better once received.

3) Regarding 'teh snappy' - apparently there have been big changes threading wise - so hopefully Arstechnica will do a good indepth analyse of it at a later date.


I find this amusing coming from someone with your questionable looks:D. I don't really need to post one of your pictures for everyone in here to see do I?

[geisha]

hello!!! i have problem with my video recording on photoboth.i can't record my voice,just video....i'm realy worry abot it. can somebody tell me what to do? :confused:

[drummingcraig]

hello!!! i have problem with my video recording on photoboth.i can't record my voice,just video....i'm realy worry abot it. can somebody tell me what to do? :confused:

Check your preferences in iChat AV for Audio/Video and make sure the audio input is set to the built-in mic.

[geisha]

i did it and it's work :) thank you ;)

[macintoshtoffy]

hello!!! i have problem with my video recording on photoboth.i can't record my voice,just video....i'm realy worry abot it. can somebody tell me what to do? :confused:

Why the hell are you resurrecting a thread from over 2 years ago? good lord, get a life and use the damn support section instead of this morbid curiosity with dead threads.