Learn the truth about 9/11!

[bofors]

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9/11 was an "inside job".

The public has been mislead to believe that some 19 arabs armed with razor blades carried the attack which lead to the destruction of World Trade Center.

This is a lie.

There are a number of documentaries which show that the World Trade Center was destroyed by bombs going off in the buildings and that the Pentagon was hit by something other than a airplane, like a cruise missle.

A decent place to start in learning what really happened is by watching Loose Change on Google Video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...29448192753501

However, architect Richard Gage's "How the Towers Fell" video proves beyond any doubt that the World Trade Center buildings were destroyed by controlled demolitions: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...21782753292874

[Sun Baked]

Reported me.

[twoodcc]

i thought we've already had this discussion before?

[Sun Baked]

i thought we've already had this discussion before?

We did...

But some people cannot understand basic science, so they think that a fuel fed doesn't get hot enough to weaken steel. Or melt aluminum. :rolleyes:

[bofors]

We did...

But some people cannot understand basic science, so they think that a fuel fed doesn't get hot enough to weaken steel. Or melt aluminum. :rolleyes:

Sorry, the fires were no where near hot enough to weaken the steel to the point of failure. In fact, fires never cause steel framed buildings to collapse ever. This fact is back up by the 204 architects & engineers at AE911Truth.com: http://www.ae911truth.org/

It is you who do not understand the science, try watching architect Richard Gage's "How the Towers Fell" and learn something: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...21782753292874

[2nyRiggz]

ummm okay....I remember watching that video a whiles back...they werent regular passenger planes huh..








Bless

[Sun Baked]

Sorry, the fires were no where near hot enough to weaken the steel to the point of failure. In fact, fires never cause steel framed buildings to collapse ever. This fact is back up by the 204 architects & engineers at AE911Truth.com: http://www.ae911truth.org/

It is you who do not understand the science, try watching architect Richard Gage's "How the Towers Fell" and learn something: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...21782753292874

Sorry charlie, but we read the report filed by the guy who actually designed the twin towers instead.

He seems to be a lot smarter than you or these idiots.

[Stridder44]

Can someone please ban this guy?


Go to the damn politics threads and post there.

[bofors]

ummm okay....I remember watching that video a whiles back...they werent regular passenger planes huh..


Most people think they were regular passenger planes.... the real issue is that bombs were planted in the twin towers and building 7 to bring then down like a controlled demolition.

[Stridder44]

Most people think they were regular passenger planes.... the real issue that bombs were planted blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah twin towers and building 7 to bring then down like a controlled demolition.


http://www.linenoiz.com/pics/funny/its_a_conspiracy.jpg

[Sun Baked]

The is a button on the top called search, there is a thread in the political forum about this already.

But you can't post there, because you are a newbie that cannot read the FAQs.

[bofors]

Sorry charlie, but we read the report filed by the guy who actually designed the twin towers instead.

He seems to be a lot smarter than you or these idiots.

Since you read the report, perhaps you could explain to us why the twin towers collapsed at about free fall speed (about 10 seconds)?

Why the twin towers fell perfectly straight down (as opposed to tipping over)?

Why 50 ton steel girders were ejected hundreds of feet in the air?

Why molten metal was seen pouring from the towers and found in the rubble for weeks afterword.

Or how about why building 7 fell in apparent controlled demolition?

[Sun Baked]

Since you read the report, perhaps you could explain to us why the twin towers collapsed at about free fall speed (about 10 seconds)?

Why the twin towers fell perfectly straight down (as opposed to tipping over)?

Why thousand ton steel girders were ejected hundreds of feet in the air?

Why molten metal was seen pouring from the towers and found in the rubble for weeks afterword.

Or how about why building 7 feel in apparent controlled demolition?

Actually I did, it is in the political forum ... seach for it.

[2nyRiggz]

This is going to get locked fella.....this has been discussed before. Can I put that star trek animation in here where the dude slides in before the door closes and the text says:

IN BEFORE THE LOCK


:D priceless...



Bless

[latergator116]

Since you read the report, perhaps you could explain to us why the twin towers collapsed at about free fall speed (about 10 seconds)?

Why the twin towers fell perfectly straight down (as opposed to tipping over)?

Why thousand ton steel girders were ejected hundreds of feet in the air?

Why molten metal was seen pouring from the towers and found in the rubble for weeks afterword.

Or how about why building 7 fell in apparent controlled demolition?


This should explain a few things for you: http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

[kainjow]

I was watching videos on YouTube on how they think the videos of the planes crashing into the buildings were faked. All of them. Their proof was that a plane going X mph wouldn't just slice through a steel building but it would crumble on impact since the plane's body is made out of light aluminum.

The problem with the internet is anyone can be an instant expert. I'm not surprised we have conspiracies on more common day things, like how shampoo companies are ripping you off and all you really need is lemon juice :D

[bofors]

Actually I did, it is in the political forum ... seach for it.

I actually have repeatedly searched for "9/11" threads and found no such "conspiracy" discussion here.

Perhaps you had better provide me a link here.

[bofors]

This should explain a few things for you: http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

Try reading this: http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/nist/WTC_FAQ_reply.html or this: http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html

The fact is that NIST fails to explain really anything about the WTC collapse, it simply proposes a mechanism for collapse "initiation" and nothing more. It fails to answer any of the critical questions.

Furthermore, NIST denies the existence of molten metal at the WTC, see this short video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lihj-Kz9wjY

[kainjow]

I actually have repeatedly searched for "9/11" threads and found no such "conspiracy" discussion here.

Perhaps you had better provide me a link here.

http://google.com/search?q=site%3Aforums.macrumors.com+%22inside+job%22

[bofors]

http://google.com/search?q=site%3Aforums.macrumors.com+%22inside+job%22

Thanks but two of those threads are archived and the third is over six months old.

[Sun Baked]

911 was an inside job (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=287929)

And you should be able to easily find a copy of the after fall engineer report by Leslie Robertson.

[Wild-Bill]

BAN THIS GUY ALREADY!!! :mad:

[ezekielrage_99]

Stupidity Causes Cancer

[runplaysleeprun]

wasn't this same thing up yesterday or the day before?

[Sun Baked]

Reflections on the World Trade Center by Leslie Robertson (http://www.nae.edu/nae/bridgecom.nsf/5b95f74724afa97385256e95000093ca/85256e8d00838af385256f2a004578e3/$FILE/Bridge-v32n1.pdf)

[bofors]

More on NIST...

NIST admitted it is "unable to provide a full explanation of the total collapse.”:
http://rinf.com/alt-news/911-truth/nist-admits-total-collapse-of-twin-towers-unexplainable/14 (scroll down)
http://www.911proof.com/NIST.pdf

Moreover, NIST's own Chief of the Fire Science Division, James Quintiere has called for an independent review of NIST work: http://www.ae911truth.org/info/12

[kainjow]

BAN THIS GUY ALREADY!!! :mad:

Stupidity Causes Cancer

As much as I disagree on the inside job part, it is also stupid to not question what the government and media tell you. One just needs to do it with a respectful manner since its a touchy subject.

bofors: citing any Alex Jones sources doesn't help your case, nor does Loose Change videos.

[bofors]

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3402/explo2aj6.jpg

As seen in this revealing photo the Twin Towers' destruction exhibited all the characteristics of destruction by explosions:

1. Extremely rapid onset of “collapse”

2. Sounds of explosions at plane impact zone — a full second prior to collapse (heard by 118 first responders as well as by media reporters)

3. Observations of flashes (seen by numerous professionals)

4. Squibs, or “mistimed” explosions, 40 floors below the “collapsing” building seen in all the videos

5. Mid-air pulverization of all the 90,000 tons of concrete and steel decking, filing cabinets & 1000 people – mostly to dust

6. Massive volume of expanding pyroclastic dust clouds

7. Vertical progression of full building perimeter demolition waves

8. Symmetrical collapse – through the path of greatest resistance – at nearly free-fall speed — the columns gave no resistance

9. 1,400 foot diameter field of equally distributed debris – outside of building footprint

10. Blast waves blew out windows in buildings 400 feet away

11. Lateral ejection of thousands of individual 20 - 50 ton steel beams up to 500 feet

12. Total destruction of the building down to individual structural steel elements – obliterating the steel core structure.

13. Tons of molten Metal found by FDNY under all 3 high-rises (no other possible source other than an incendiary cutting charge such as Thermate)

14. Chemical signature of Thermate (high tech incendiary) found in slag, solidified molten metal, and dust samples by Physics professor Steven Jones, PhD.

15. FEMA finds rapid oxidation and intergranular melting on structural steel samples

16. More than 1000 Bodies are unaccounted for — 700 tiny bone fragments found on top of nearby buildings

And exhibited none of the characteristics of destruction by fire, i.e.

1. Slow onset with large visible deformations

2. Asymmetrical collapse which follows the path of least resistance (laws of conservation of momentum would cause a falling, intact, from the point of plane impact, to the side most damaged by the fires)

3. Evidence of fire temperatures capable of softening steel

4. High-rise buildings with much larger, hotter, and longer lasting fires have never “collapsed”

[Dagless]

Stupidity Causes Cancer

Crap! It doesn't, does it?!

Oh, and for the record I don't know who to believe over 9/11.

[bofors]

bofors: citing any Alex Jones sources doesn't help your case, nor does Loose Change videos.

Try looking at this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3118021782753292874

[ezekielrage_99]

One just needs to do it with a respectful manner since its a touchy subject.

I was making a point of ridiculous grandiose sweeping statements....

[Sun Baked]

I was making a point of ridiculous grandiose sweeping statements....

Here is a link you might need in the future...

http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3826 or http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3570

[bofors]

Here is a link you might need in the future...

http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3826

Cute... but considering that some 3000 people were murdered in 9/11 and that the event has turned into a license for the US government to embark on wars in Afganistan, Iraq and possibly Iran, perhaps you can be persuaded to take this subject a little more seriously.

[Sun Baked]

Cute... but considering that some 3000 people were murdered in 9/11 and that the event has turned into a license for the US government to embark on wars in Afganistan, Iraq and possibly Iran, perhaps you can be persuaded to take this subject a little more seriously.

This isn't a political section, that is what the political section is for.

The community section isn't for this crap...

However, this works.

http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=14484

[diabolic]

...perhaps you can be persuaded to take this subject a little more seriously.

I think that most intelligent people take it very seriously and have come to the opposite conclusion than you have.

[QuarterSwede]

... and that the Pentagon was hit by something other than a airplane, like a cruise missle.
Um, I actually know people who were in the pentagon when it was hit. One in particular had his office blown apart (he was lucky enough to be in the bathroom). It was no missle. It was a plane. Witnesses trump theorists. Get over it and move on.

[bofors]

I think that most intelligent people take it very seriously and have come to the opposite conclusion than you have.

Sorry, I do not think most intelligent have even considered the idea because it sounds absurd.

[MacNut]

So you come and register here just to post this?

[bofors]

Um, I actually know people who were in the pentagon when it was hit. One in particular had his office blown apart (he was lucky enough to be in the bathroom). It was no missle. It was a plane. Witnesses trump theorists. Get over it and move on.

You seem to be confused, we are talking about the World Trade Center here. While it is possible that a plane did Pentagon, if it did in no way does it prove there was no conspiracy.

In fact, Jim Hoffman, who is a leading 9/11 conspiracy theorist, argues that a plane did hit the Pentagon here: http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/index.html

[MacNut]

The problem with conspiracy theorists is that they might start with valid points but then they just go off the deep end and blame everyone for everything. That is why nobody takes any of them serious.

Can a Mod please his the delete key on this thread. Or at least throw it into the PF.

[bofors]

So you come and register here just to post this?

No, actually, I am Cocoa developer, long-time Mac user and come to MacRumors quite often. In fact, I first found out that 9/11 was inside by clicking on someone's signature in forum here last January. It was a link to Alex Jone's "TerrorStorm". I was shocked to learn about this and have spent months studying it. I have advanced degrees in materials engineering from the University of Michigan.

[MacNut]

No, actually, I am Cocoa developer, long-time Mac user and come to MacRumors quite often. In fact, I first found out that 9/11 was inside by clicking on someone's signature in forum here last January. It was a link to Alex Jone's "TerrorStorm". I was shocked to learn about this and have spent months studying it. I have advanced degrees in materials engineering from the University of Michigan.So then by now you should know the rules about posting political stuff.

[QuarterSwede]

You seem to be confused, we are talking about the World Trade Center here. While it is possible that a plane did Pentagon, if it did in no way does it prove there was no conspiracy.

In fact, Jim Hoffman, who is a leading 9/11 conspiracy theorist, argues that a plane did hit the Pentagon here: http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/index.html
Hey, you brought it up.

[bofors]

The problem with conspiracy theorists is that they might start with valid points but then they just go off the deep end and blame everyone for everything. That is why nobody takes any of them serious.

Sure it is a very slippery slope, but case for controlled demolition at the World Trade Center is scientifically proven. I mean it the official story about planes causing the collapse is physically impossible. Then of course, there is building 7 which no planes hit at all and it collapsed like this:

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/8899/smallwtc71nu0.gif

I mean, it is just blantant. See this: http://www.wtc7.net/

[bofors]

So then by now you should know the rules about posting political stuff.

No actually I doubt, but I was unable to start this thread in the Politics sub-forum if that is what you are referring to.

[ejb190]

I have advanced degrees in materials engineering from the University of Michigan.

Maybe you need to contact your colleagues at Purdue University (http://www.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/2006/060911.Sozen.WTC.html) who did the computer modeling of the collapse.

[MacNut]

Don't you think that someone in mainstream media would of picked up on this by now?:rolleyes: This is right up Geraldo's alley.

[JML42691]

Try looking at this: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3118021782753292874

Will you shut up already, stop trying to start a debate over something and will somebody please ban this guy already.

[zioxide]

However, architect Richard Gage's "How the Towers Fell" video proves beyond any doubt that the World Trade Center buildings were destroyed by controlled demolitions:

I control demolished ur mum last night

[bofors]

Maybe you need to contact your colleagues at Purdue University (http://www.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/2006/060911.Sozen.WTC.html) who did the computer modeling of the collapse.

Yes, I am planning to file charges of academic misconduct againt them for their bogus work. ;)

[MacNut]

Yes, I am planning to file charges of academic misconduct them for their bogus work.Good luck with that.:rolleyes:

How bout those iPhones....

[bofors]

Don't you think that someone in mainstream media would of picked up on this by now?:rolleyes: This is right up Geraldo's alley.

The mainstream media is quite deliberately avoiding any serious discussion of the topic. Only Rosie O'Donnel and Charlie have come forward.

See these for Geraldo on 9/11:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1382336008071130346
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8065954241419789919

[mrkramer]

I'm sure you won't believe this since it does not support what you say and ignoring the facts is the only way to believe these conspiracies. but read this (http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html) it explains all of the main conspiracies about 9/11.

Also do you really think that our government could keep the thousands of people required to set up all of the explosives and cover it up later quiet, and then totally screw up in Iraq and pretty much everywhere else. And how do you explain the body parts and commercial airplane wreckage found at the Pentagon, did someone butcher the passengers and toss their remains outside? and in case you didn't think that fuel can weaken steel enough to cause the collapse, recently there was a fuel tanker that crashed and burned I think it was in San Francisco and the overpass colapsed, unless you think that that was a conspiracy as well.

One more thing, if it was a controlled demolition then why are there remains at other buildings, controlled demolitions are set up to cause buildings to fall directly on to themselves not onto other buildings. And since I doubt you will read the article that I linked to I think it is mentioned in there, but building seven had quite a bit damaged on the back side away from where most cameras could see it but there are some pictures that show heavy damage on the building, plus there was a propane tank in the basement that would have been pumping gas up and that gas would burn for a long time before it ran out.