Early Mac OS X Leopard Notes and Observations

[overcast]

Thats what I wanted to know Famiy Pack or Family that lives with you Pack? Since in few years we will all be on our own.
Well, if you all move out to separate locations. Technically then yes, you need to all have your own copy of it. I wouldn't considerate that a question of morality though.

[morespce54]

My copy is coming in a few minutes, but I have already left feedback for Apple regarding this issue on the feedback section of their website.

It is disappointing indeed!

--HG

Maybe the update for SU was sent by FedEx too and it got lost in transit??? :D

[Data]

A serious geek and hardcore whiner, maybe, but these are some seriously ill-informed observations and rehashing of the old "I don't like the top menu, waaahhh (and other I Wish It Were Windows poutings)" all over again.

So skip it.

Just like every other release? Just like every Windows release since 1995?

Or the one in Tiger. What was he expecting out of file previews, exactly? It shows the file--the only innovation is opening file types beyond simple image formats and PDFs.

Wrong. Good grief, just create a new partition on it using the new tools, and choose that new partition for Time Machine. His precious photos are saved.

Did he archive his previous installation? Did he check swap file usage? I'm going to assume he didn't check these things, given his amateur understanding of everything else.

No OS X updates...just updates for the rest of his system that he hadn't installed yet.

This is where he loses all credibility whatsoever. Short name/user name. Come on. The password is the same, unless he did something very wrong.

Sounds like he's a Windows user out of his element and complaining about things he doesn't understand and wanting things to be the way they were on XP. If he wanted things to be like XP, maybe he should use XP.

Very good reply, i could not have said it better.

[nvbrit]

Just installed Leopard onto my machine, very impressed except that the finder is showing my next door neighbors PC on my shared machines, and i don't even know them, let alone have permission from them to access their computer!

That's awesome, that means they have been stealing your internet connection! I would ask them to help you pay the bill if you trust the guy/girl. Otherwise you REALLY should close your network.

No it doesn't mean anyone is stealing anyones connection or knowingly has their network open, It means they have an unsecured wireless network, and if their files can be accessed then they probably have file sharing activated (whether it's a Mac or PC). If your network is secure and you havenn't enabled file sharing to anyone then they probably can't see you, you can just see them. If you know your neighbours you may want to go talk to them and teach thema little bit about securing their network. It's interesting that it pops up in finder, Leopard must automaically go out and pole for any shared networks and make them visible.

[yoppie]

A serious geek and hardcore whiner, maybe, but these are some seriously ill-informed observations and rehashing of the old "I don't like the top menu, waaahhh (and other I Wish It Were Windows poutings)" all over again.

So skip it.

Just like every other release? Just like every Windows release since 1995?

Or the one in Tiger. What was he expecting out of file previews, exactly? It shows the file--the only innovation is opening file types beyond simple image formats and PDFs.

Wrong. Good grief, just create a new partition on it using the new tools, and choose that new partition for Time Machine. His precious photos are saved.

Did he archive his previous installation? Did he check swap file usage? I'm going to assume he didn't check these things, given his amateur understanding of everything else.

No OS X updates...just updates for the rest of his system that he hadn't installed yet.

This is where he loses all credibility whatsoever. Short name/user name. Come on. The password is the same, unless he did something very wrong.

Sounds like he's a Windows user out of his element and complaining about things he doesn't understand and wanting things to be the way they were on XP. If he wanted things to be like XP, maybe he should use XP.

I really enjoyed reading this post.

[Data]

LOL, mine did that earlier but everything turned out ok. Just leave it alone.

PHeww Thank you Yoppie , i was getting scared a little there, hope it finishes what it's doing within the hour because if have to take it to work by that time, going to take the risc and dj with it straight from the start ;-). Hope itues runs faster now, speciale the starting up ,lol.

[Dagless]

This has probably already been posted, but I smiled when I found this :)

[nvbrit]

This has probably already been posted, but I smiled when I found this :)

is that the ACTUAL textedit icon?

[AJsAWiz]

LOL, mine did that earlier but everything turned out ok. Just leave it alone.

I left my blue screen alone but it just stayed there. I was on the phone with Apple Tech Support (first call was a foreigner who spoke broken english, couldn't understand him and he couldn't understand me) over an hour and the installation (well, multiple installations in my case) took almost 3 hours total. The last Apple Product Specialist, after trying numerous things that did not work, ended up having me do another install but this time archived. That did the trick . . . no more blue screen.

Now that Leopard is up and running, I like what I see but it was a rough road getting there. :p

[yoppie]

I left my blue screen alone but it just stayed there. I was on the phone with Apple Tech Support (first call was a foreigner who spoke broken english, couldn't understand him and he couldn't understand me) over an hour and the installation (well, multiple installations in my case) took almost 3 hours total. The last Apple Product Specialist, after trying numerous things that did not work, ended up having do another install but this time archived. That did the trick . . . no more blue screen.

Now that Leopard is up and running, I like what I see but it was a rough road getting there. :p

Wow. :eek: Mine didn't stay blue. I was on the blue screen for about 8-10 minutes and then Leopard appeared. :apple: Total installation time for me took about 50 minutes with the blue screen time included.

[Taylor C]

Yes that's the actual icon.

[AJsAWiz]

Wow. :eek: Mine didn't stay blue. I was on the blue screen for about 8-10 minutes and then Leopard appeared. :apple: Total installation time for me took about 50 minutes with the blue screen time included.

I'm glad that your blues went away. LOL
The Apple Product Specialist seemed to know nothing about this blue screen thing even being a normal Leopard installation annoyance. While I was on the phone with them we just waited and waited but it didn't go away.

All things considered . . . . Leopard is still stunning :D

[furcalchick]

i'm aware of the 9 gb install if you put in everything in the disc. but how big is it when you strip all the extra language support and printers and other junk? thanks.

[bhjs1]

I installed leopard...i'm really loving spaces and quick look... way to go apple


it also feels faster than tiger

Ben

[Data]

Wow. :eek: Mine didn't stay blue. I was on the blue screen for about 8-10 minutes and then Leopard appeared. :apple: Total installation time for me took about 50 minutes with the blue screen time included.

Damn then i'm in trouble , its blue for like an hour already now, and i chose to upgrade, i realy don't know what to do next, HELP.

[Data]

I'm glad that your blues went away. LOL
The Apple Product Specialist seemed to know nothing about this blue screen thing even being a normal Leopard installation annoyance. While I was on the phone with them we just waited and waited but it didn't go away.

All things considered . . . . Leopard is still stunning :D

How did you fix this if i may ask, i'm sitting here looking at at blue screen for 45 minutes now ?

[Skiniftz]

Safari wont open under leopard (definitely not snappier) It says Safari has quit unexpectedly, any suggestions?
Thanks

rm -Rf ~/Library/Caches/Safari

[Cinematographer]

This has probably already been posted, but I smiled when I found this :)

That's a Jack Kerouac quote, isn't it?

[morespce54]

since you can't put a folder in the dock (in tiger), i guess it doesn't open a window (finder window)...

Well, I can (in Tiger)!
Or am I missing something?

[nvbrit]

Well, I can (in Tiger)!
Or am I missing something?

you can, that other person just didn't know you could

[PhilcoFord]

Mac Pro quad xeon, 10GB. Installed Leopard to a new 500GB disk and when it completed I copied over data from my Tiger installation (I checked all of the boxes).

Everything appeared to be okay. One application was excluded from installation - no big deal. I got Time Machine set up on another blank drive I installed just for that purpose. TM started backing up and a moment or two later, the machine froze. I had to restart with the power button.

After the restart, Leopard wouldn't recognize any of my accounts or passwords...

Starting over again with Erase and Install to the same disk. This time I will only copy over users accounts and reinstall everything else manually.

Just FYI...

[sockdoggy]

A couple things I noticed after archive & install:

-I store a lot of video on my airport disk. Accessing it through Front Row is now MUCH faster. When I left Fron Row it had 1GB virtual memory in the background. (Right now my VM Size is 43GB).

-Do not see the screensavers that were shown in previous builds.

-Cannot have custom icons in the dock for folders.

[CWallace]

1:04PM and here comes the truck. :D

[Data]

Well it looks like i'm in trouble, all i get is blue screen no matter what i do, i'm going to be losing al my files on the machine , now, i see no other way the to ersa and install
Damn.

[CWallace]

Well it looks like i'm in trouble, all i get is blue screen no matter what i do, i'm going to be losing al my files on the machine , now, i see no other way the to ersa and install
Damn.

You didn't do a backup? :eek:

I've been Carbon Copy Cloning my iMac all week and I will be installing Leopard in a moment on my MacBook to make sure everything is perfect before I then install it on my iMac.

[aricher]

[QUOTE=matticus008;4392296]A serious geek and hardcore whiner, maybe, but these are some seriously ill-informed observations and rehashing of the old "I don't like the top menu, waaahhh (and other I Wish It Were Windows poutings)" all over again.

Thanks for such an in-depth and great post. I got a serious kick out of it. Forwarded it on to my PC geek friend.

[arkmannj]

Well, I guess that's progress...

Goodbye Myst, Riven, Pegasus Prime... :(

I'll have to look into an old CRT iMac or something for those.

if you have an intel mac give Sheep Shaver a try. I think it works for mac OS 7.5 through 9.0 (not 9.1 or 9.2x though)


Apple offers most of the old classic OS's for fre download at:
http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Macintosh/System/Older_System/

http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Macintosh/System/


RealMyst should work in Leopard (through Rosetta)
Riven...some where I read someone trying to make a Mac OS X launcher, but I don't know the progress on it.
(wasn't Cyan doing it though)

I wish VMWare could make a full mac emulator that could emulate PPC for classic OS's 'n such.

[Steve Jobs=God]

He is probably on your network without you knowing it then ;-).

PS how did you install, upgrade or not, and if you did use upgrade, how long did yu have the blue screen on , i'm looking at it for 45 minutes now, and i wonder if something went wrong maybe? .

Only did upgrade for the time being, gotta wait for my ex to send me back my iLife 08 disc and my back up HDs and then a clean install will happen. Had blue screen for about 4-5 minutes, not very long.

[morespce54]

Just installed Leopard onto my machine, very impressed except that the finder is showing my next door neighbors PC on my shared machines, and i don't even know them, let alone have permission from them to access their computer!

that would be a good moment to remind them to put a password on their router... ;)

[Data]

You didn't do a backup? :eek:

I've been Carbon Copy Cloning my iMac all week and I will be installing Leopard in a moment on my MacBook to make sure everything is perfect before I then install it on my iMac.

Nope did not have the time to do so, and wanted to have it up and running as soon as possible., but i restrted from the installl dvd and now i'm doing a archive and install instead, i hope that will still work ;-)
Atleast my ols ssytem still showed up when starting up with alt ;-), so i still have some hope for it to work out .

[axcess99]

Just installed Leopard onto my machine, very impressed except that the finder is showing my next door neighbors PC on my shared machines, and i don't even know them, let alone have permission from them to access their computer!

Either they are on your network, or you are on theirs. I suggest you figure out which. This could be accidental if both of you have open wifi, or they could be stealing your wifi on purpose (lacking their own).

In either case you should turn on WPA for your wifi (the only wifi security that works) for this and many many other reasons. It's easy to use and just an all around good thing.

[EagerDragon]

Agreed ;-).

PS still don't know if the blue screen with upgrade install, is normal or not, i'm getting worried guys, does nobody know ?

You may need to re-boot, I do not think that is normal.

[EagerDragon]

For those getting the Family pack, how does it work. I got several people who want to do family pack. Is it one disc with 5 registrations, or 5 discs for each person? I went to Apple and the shopping cart does not explain this.


Just wanted to know since people can move or may need copy of the disc at any moment.

Just a single disk with Steve permission in writting that you can use it in 5 machines. If you lack principles you can just buy the single user license and do the same. No registration or nothing, however please do the right thing and buy the 5 license, its not that much expensive and may save you problems in the future.

[Data]

You may need to re-boot, I do not think that is normal.

I did 3 times only thing that came up was a blue screen , now i started from the dvd again and doing a archive and install, hoping to save my data this way ;-).

[Dagless]

So far so good-

iMac

Everything is faster. Even whilst I'm running a Time Machine backup thing and indexing my hard drives, everything runs just a bit quicker than Tiger. I can't wait for these big tasks to finish so I can get to the top gear.

I'm finding Coverflow more useful than I ever imagined. It really is the biggest feature for me. Sure there are bugs, sometimes it loses the file that is highlighted and you have to click another file and go back again for it to be selected. But that'll be fixed soon no doubt.

PowerBook

Won't boot up! It installed much slower than my iMac and now it just shows the grey bootup screen with that loading graphic spinning over and over. Left it for an hour and it still hasn't come on. I can smell a Target drive backup and fresh Leopard instal.

This is a fantastic OS. Not so much a giant leap from Tiger, but one I'm very glad I made. Seems more visual than ever before and some of these new features are going to make everything so much easier!

[vassillios]

Another great "feature" the menu bar is now above the display on my 50" Sony HDTV so now I have to blindly click off screen to get the menu to drop down. Can I move the menu to the side or bottom of the screen? If possible I can't find it. Another point greatly in favor of Windows, the menu is on the window it pertains to so you don't have to push the mouse all the way to the top of the screen to work a window at the bottom of the screen, and it would be visible right now on all but maximized windows.

go to "display" in preferences and check (or uncheck) "overscan"

[vassillios]

Nope did not have the time to do so, and wanted to have it up and running as soon as possible., but i restrted from the installl dvd and now i'm doing a archive and install instead, i hope that will still work ;-)
Atleast my ols ssytem still showed up when starting up with alt ;-), so i still have some hope for it to work out .

So you decided your time was more valuable than your data? That's pretty risky.

[Data]

The archive and install did the trick nothing lost as far as i can see now,jippie ;-).

[Data]

So you decided your time was more valuable than your data? That's pretty risky.

I love living on the edge , and now i'm going to do a live dj gig with aswell ;-).

[MacinDoc]

Just a single disk with Steve permission in writting that you can use it in 5 machines. If you lack principles you can just buy the single user license and do the same. No registration or nothing, however please do the right thing and buy the 5 license, its not that much expensive and may save you problems in the future.
Or more precisely, a Family Pack is a single disk with permission to install it on 5 machines at the same residential address, or machines belonging to students whose primary home is at that address. Not for 5 friends at different addresses to share.

I find it amazing that people actually think that Apple will continue to offer specially discounted Family Packs if people abuse them by ignoring the terms of the EULA. A appreciate that I can buy a Family Pack for my 2 home machines, and it costs less than buying a separate copy for each machine.

If Apple intended the Family Pack to be used as a discounted 5-user multi-address pack, it would price it at $499 instead of $199.

We have a good thing going here with the Family Pack - let's not ruin it for ourselves!

[vassillios]

I love living on the edge , and now i'm going to do a live dj gig with aswell ;-).

Have fun at your gig tonight! Be careful, you might need to make sure the drool from envious onlookers does not get all over your machine. What kind o software are you using for the DJ stuff? Have you tested it's compatability yet?

[titomcgee]

Or more precisely, a Family Pack is a single disk with permission to install it on 5 machines at the same residential address, or machines belonging to students whose primary home is at that address. Not for 5 friends at different addresses to share.

I find it amazing that people actually think that Apple will continue to offer specially discounted Family Packs if people abuse them by ignoring the terms of the EULA. A appreciate that I can buy a Family Pack for my 2 home machines, and it costs less than buying a separate copy for each machine.

If Apple intended the Family Pack to be used as a discounted 5-user multi-address pack, it would price it at $499 instead of $199.

We have a good thing going here with the Family Pack - let's not ruin it for ourselves!

We really do have it great right now. However, the more that ELUA's are ignored, the sooner we'll have Microsoft-like registration keys. $199 for 5 licenses is awesome. Use what you pay for. Apple spends a lot of time and money creating the best OS for a very reasonable price.

[vassillios]

We really do have it great right now. However, the more that ELUA's are ignored, the sooner we'll have Microsoft-like registration keys. $199 for 5 licenses is awesome. Use what you pay for. Apple spends a lot of time and money creating the best OS for a very reasonable price.

Agreed. I easily could have dowloaded this off the torrent sites, but I respect Apple way too much and feel more than happy to hand over $129 for the Super Deluxe Mega Awsome Edition.

Now, only 1.74 hours till I get home where my kitty awaits. Unfortuneately I recently got word that my wife and I are going to a friends house for dinner. Hope they don't mind me installing software during dinner :rolleyes:

[ortuno2k]

I just installed Leopard! Received my order this morning but didn't get a chance to install it 'till this afternoon.
Looks good so far, but I've only been on it for 5 min. Let the goodies unfold! :D

[Unspeaked]

A serious IT geek and hardcore PC user friend of mine received his copy via FedEx at 10:45 central time today. I believe he was installing on an older Mac Mini. Here are his initial comments:

"After 2 hour install - 40 minutes of which was a ridiculous self-validation of the DVD contents - it looks exactly the same with a different background.

Any "serious IT geek and hardcore PC user" who doesn't notice the "skip" button loses many, many points in my book...

[Colman]

Installed fine - though some messing about with the keychain after an upgrade (because I didn't have enough disk for archive and install). Seems to be running ok, though not exactly blistering fast!

[AJsAWiz]

Well it looks like i'm in trouble, all i get is blue screen no matter what i do, i'm going to be losing al my files on the machine , now, i see no other way the to ersa and install
Damn.

I had the same problem and the blue screen didn't go away. After calling Apple Tech Support and trying many things that did not work. I ended up installing Leopard again and archiving. That worked for me.

[stevenz]

It is not yet officialy reported. We will be hearing all the cry babies soon about how the workaround corrupted their files and caused they systems to hang. Then they will blame Apple.

Wait for it, it is coming.

Seems to be working fine here out of the box. My iTech headset shows up as "Headset" and "Headphones". If I select "Headphones" I get proper A2DP stereo bluetooth audio. If I use "Headset" it uses a much inferior headset audio profile. Works fine in iChat though.

[Lesser Evets]

I got it FedEx at 1pm. Installed.

IT BOMBED!

Not sure what or why, it just said it failed and there is an unknown problem, need to restart.
After that my primary drive vanished!
OSX wouldn't find the drive.
So I repaired it, and all that (wasn't anything wrong with it, that i could find).
Rebooted Leopard and sat there watching the drive choice window and 5 minutes later the primary drive SLOWLY crept in grey, then ok.

Installed.
Worked.

Makes me nervous about this drive though. Was the original 250GIG that came with the computer, and it might be a piece of crap ready to bomb.

10.5: nice.
It IS fast; snappy.
The features are great.
Spaces is still a hassle and a little of a burden.
Time Machine isn't recognizing my AirPort drive.
Mail is wonderful.
Finder is great.

All the people whining about transparency are whiners. Shut up.

[Quicksilver867]

Running Leopard right now on my 1.2GHz Quicksilver, and everything seems fine! It's not sluggish, and all of the animations and programs are working great. Also, the "upgrade" install only took about an hour on this machine.

[stevenz]

Safari wont open under leopard (definitely not snappier) It says Safari has quit unexpectedly, any suggestions?
Thanks

You've probably reorganized your apps so they're not all in the one cluttered directory and the Leopard install has just put another copy in the root of the Applications folder, while the version your shortcut is to is the older version that you've put into an "Internet" sub-directory or something. It is irritating that the installer doesn't weed out older versions of apps that have been put into subdirectories. Having dozens of apps in the main windows is very messy.

[stevenz]

It's one disc with a 5 machine license. Those several people must be living in the same house. This isn't for bulk orders between friends.

I have the family pack, I'm pretty sure the only difference is the tiny sticker on the front of the box, other than that I suspect the data on the disk is identical. It's just an "honor" thing.

[stevenz]

You didn't do a backup? :eek:

I've been Carbon Copy Cloning my iMac all week and I will be installing Leopard in a moment on my MacBook to make sure everything is perfect before I then install it on my iMac.

I had the problem on one of the machines here, I started again and did an "Archive & install" instead of an Upgrade and it worked fine then.

[crlvgchick21]

I installed Leopard on my Powerbook G4 this morning, and so far ALMOST everything is working great. I am having two problems though; maybe someone in here has an idea to fix them.

1. iPHOTO wont open anymore - says there isnt an eligible application available. Please dont tell me the forgot to update iphoto!!!

2. stupid problem but I'll say it anyways.... it wont allow me to upload photos to MYSPACE just keeps saying there was an error


Please help. Thanks IPHOTO is my life

[overcast]

I have the family pack, I'm pretty sure the only difference is the tiny sticker on the front of the box, other than that I suspect the data on the disk is identical. It's just an "honor" thing.
No ****? You must be a rocket scientist.

[rcread]

I miss 10.4. What's the procedure for going back to that?

[recordprod]

Very impressed here. I ordered the family pack 10.5 yesterday lunchtime and it was here (UK) this morning. Installed on to the iMac first and then the BlackBook and all went fine.

Improvements to Mail are very nice. I'm not sure if anything runs any faster.

Mike

[Mr Fusion]

I miss 10.4. What's the procedure for going back to that?
You'll need a flux capacitor...

[everettmarshall]

Ok. Leopard looks cool and all. Some nice new features, too. But Time Machine doesn't work.

I'm still here.

[Lesser Evets]

This OS is so cool. It finally feels like 2005 should have felt.

[krell100]

Installed in 30 mins on Mac Pro 2.66 (Clean Install). Totally painless.

File and settings transfer took an hour, yawn.

Everything is smooth and snappy, app's (Logic8, iWork...) open FAST!

Plus's: Coverflow, Quickview, Stacks, Finder, Spotlight...

Minus's: Fugly UI elements (agua scroll bars, 3D dock, transparent menu bar...), Icons look 'odd', No user editable iMail stationary...

Early day's yet but I think this is a solid update but not revolutionary.

[lmcintyre]

anyone else have problems moving thier itunes library over to an external hard drive in leopard? Set it up in the itunes preferences right but it still wont work.

[nvbrit]

I am going to do a clean install so will be backing things up tonight. Does anyone know if I copy the iPhoto library from the pictures folder and then restore this in Leopard (after intalling iPhoto) will this bring everything across or is there other iPhoto information store elsewhere that I should backup also?

[EagerDragon]

Seems to be working fine here out of the box. My iTech headset shows up as "Headset" and "Headphones". If I select "Headphones" I get proper A2DP stereo bluetooth audio. If I use "Headset" it uses a much inferior headset audio profile. Works fine in iChat though.

Congratulations, hope it continues to work well for you.

[gmanrique]

I was about to answer to this 'serious IT geek', but you beat me to it.
I couldn't have said it better.

A serious geek and hardcore whiner, maybe, but these are some seriously ill-informed observations and rehashing of the old "I don't like the top menu, waaahhh (and other I Wish It Were Windows poutings)" all over again.

So skip it.

Just like every other release? Just like every Windows release since 1995?

Or the one in Tiger. What was he expecting out of file previews, exactly? It shows the file--the only innovation is opening file types beyond simple image formats and PDFs.

Wrong. Good grief, just create a new partition on it using the new tools, and choose that new partition for Time Machine. His precious photos are saved.

Did he archive his previous installation? Did he check swap file usage? I'm going to assume he didn't check these things, given his amateur understanding of everything else.

No OS X updates...just updates for the rest of his system that he hadn't installed yet.

This is where he loses all credibility whatsoever. Short name/user name. Come on. The password is the same, unless he did something very wrong.

Sounds like he's a Windows user out of his element and complaining about things he doesn't understand and wanting things to be the way they were on XP. If he wanted things to be like XP, maybe he should use XP.

[Stile]

Just installed Leopard onto my machine, very impressed except that the finder is showing my next door neighbors PC on my shared machines, and i don't even know them, let alone have permission from them to access their computer!

LOL, make sure your wireless network is secure and they aren't leeching Internet access from you.

[SiliconAddict]

Very nice. Leopard didn't throw a hissy fit when I had a network share open, woke it up from sleep, immediately turned off WIFI, and it came back with an error almost immediately. Unlike Tiger that frequently BBoDed on me. Thank you Apple.

Now that being said the Finder shell has already crashed on me once when I was cover flowing a few documents. I hope that was a one off snag. :(

PS- The one thing that I was pretty much expecting was customizable desktop pictures for each desktop space. You'd think this would have been a no brainer on Apple's part. :confused:

[teerexx52]

I just did a cleaninstall of Leopard on my 1 week old MacBook pro 2.2 and my brightness, and all volume keys stopped working. I repaired permissions and rebooted but nothing. Those keys don;t work. Just a heads up.

[CWallace]

I just did a cleaninstall of Leopard on my 1 week old MacBook pro 2.2 and my brightness, and all volume keys stopped working. I repaired permissions and rebooted but nothing. Those keys don;t work. Just a heads up.

No problems with either via a clean install on an Al iMac 24" and a Gen1 MacBook.

[nik911sc]

I have installed them all - every OS X version since Beta and this was the worst to do.

1. Would not recognise my main hard drive so I eventually (after 2 hours of messing with it) installed it on my cloned drive but at the then end was told it failed to install. After re-booting it found my original drive and it managed to install....go figure.

2. Printers were totally wiped out which was very hard to correct for the non-standard non USB printers i.e. Epson dot matrix (used for docket printing). That was painful. For the standard USB printers, it was very quick to setup.

3. Wont wake the displays from sleep when running two displays as an extended desktop on a Mac Pro so have to force shutdown. Ironically this is the opposite problem to what we had with Tiger....would always immediately wake from sleep and so never sleep.

4. Losing personalised folder icons in the dock is a major flaw by Apple. I had lots of folders with their individual icons in the dock but now they look awful with the forced blue folder and preview overlays. Seriously Apple, switch it off or at least let us switch it off.

5. Overall the system is definitely faster and snappier. RAM consumption has increased - mine peaked at 7GB used of 11GB available.

[ghostwriter]

Machine
MacBook Pro 17inch

Ease of Installation:

Hung for approx 10 min at the "Select Destination" screen but i let it run since i could hear my hard drive chunking along. Sure enough, it finally displayed my drive volume and i was on my way to the install.

Installation time:
90 minutes

Issues after install

After I restarted, log in screen would not allow me to enter any text. Restarted again and all was fine.

First Impressions
Ran hot first couple hours. Fans ran a lot. Lots of indexing going on so that seems to explain why things ran hot for a bit. Settling down now.

Value
I give it 8 out of 10 pts

[armani]

Hi All,

Installed Leopard, archive&install , took 32 min. But I must say I feel weird.

Few things surprised me:
a) strange blue icons (is it possible to change to at least like it was in Tiger),
b) stacks..... it opens with stuttering effect in grid option, looks like freezes for a second (I have new 24"iMac), fan option works fine though, but icons look low resolution
c) bright blue highlighting in the menu (is it possible to customize??),
d) application stack - it displays first icon as a key icon on the dock which is address book in my case, so I have two address book on my dock (I wonder if I can customize that, like in iPhoto, to set up the key picture).
e) When first started Leopard apple menu would not respond, but if I launched an application it would work. I restarted and now it works. I am quite new to Mac, except working with Final Cut pro at work, but I didn't bother getting deep into OS's, so I don't know, may be it is normal behavior after update.
f) Application frames look darker than before.
g) Why apple does not give an option to customize a desktop, colors, fonts and so on? ...... may be I missing something here
h) When in cover flow, it takes a second or two while the picture or icon looks ok, from low res to high.

These are all nice features, but they don't work as fast as I expected. Do I have to reinstall and do a clean install? I would not want to reinstall all the apps I have. May I don't get something.:confused:

Would be nice if we were given an option to use a Tiger look or other previous OS's looks. Transparent bar is not practical, in my opinion, it is not good for eyes. I would switch to solid color.

All applications seem to be working fine. iTunes does work faster. But iWork 08 took longer than before to start .... and photoshop as well. Front Row .... I like Tiger's much better (is it possible to put Tiger FR back?). I think I should not have jumped in updating ti Leopard, I should have looked first ..... Not like I am disappointed, but I have been quite surprised.

Can you please tell me why all of a sudden, it is more than 134 GB when before installation it was around 75? Is it because I did archive and install?

[srichart1]

I just got Leopard at 4pm today via Fedex. I installed on my new Imac 24" and am still having the video card screen lockup issue; except much worse.
Also, I am not real impressed with Leopard yet. There are some neat new features but not really worth getting excited about (yet).

I also attempted to install Leopard on a Macbook with no success. The Macbook superdrive doesn't even recognize the disc. Called Applecare and am sending the Macbook in for drive replacement! I sure hope things get better!

[ingenious]

posting this from Leopard!

All I can say is, this is AMAZING! There's no other way to describe it!

(anyone know how to repartition a FAT drive on the fly?)

[CompUSAMacNerd]

Not sure if this was brought up yet. After installing Leopard on my G5, suddenly my Quick time doesn't work anymore. I get the Q with the question mark.

Any thoughts? I'm repairing permissions right now.

Doesn't seem all that much faster really. Not sure why because I have 2 gigs of ram in there. I'll have to tweak with it a bit more.

[hayesk]

g) Why apple does not give an option to customize a desktop, colors, fonts and so on? ...... may be I missing something here


Because people have no taste and pick ugly gawdy UI elements. Just look at the atrocity of WinAMP skins on the Windows platforms. When people change the UI, it becomes a nightmare for support people and makes the OS look bad to others.

That said, there are utilities that you can search out if you really want to do that.

[CompUSAMacNerd]

OK, now it seems that Leopard will not allow me to repair my permissions, which is rather frustrating, and a bit a scary.

So far, my gripes are:

Quick Time question marks in all my websites, not allowing any Flash or QT at all on the web, even though I can load movies just fine if they are saved files on my HD.

Atlantis and Cantrip software not compatible, therefore I am unable to connect to any of mu MU*"s and RPG's and do stuff with my buddies. Not a big deal, but just an annoyance since it's a time killer for me.

Upon installation, it reset all my audio settings for my Revolution 7.1 Audio Card and I had to switch it back over.

Now, I have that Win 4 Mac thing going on, for Windows Media player, at least I believe I did. Should I uninstall that, or reinstall it? Any help would be great, please.

JasonAisling@Mac.com

[Hard Nard]

but Sherlock is gone.

Sent to join OS9 support in sleeping with the fishes.

RIP, old friend.

[IzzyJG99]

Got Leopard today at noon. Did the upgrade existing Mac OS-X (I did a clean restore of Tiger one week ago). It's fairly buggy still I've noticed. Some stuttering issues. Time Machine is a waste of time and that's not me making a bad pun. It seems to be so into "verifying" before actually copying that it's taken 3 hours on Firewire 800 to move 2GB's of space.

[imwoblin]

Installed Leopard on 3 Macs today (family pack). All installed aok (archive & install). I don't know if this was brought up by anyone, but custom install was limited on my intel machines versus my Powermac G5. When I tried to delete the language install on my Intel machines (Macbook Pro & Imac), The install program forced me to install all languages (1.6 GB worth) whereas on my Powermac G5 it let me delete all languages except English. Anyone else notice this?

[HLdan]

but Sherlock is gone.

Sent to join OS9 support in sleeping with the fishes.

RIP, old friend.

I may have been the last of a few to still use Sherlock but alas it's virtually useless with all the widgets available. I only used Sherlock for the Applecare feature and now there's a widget for that so no need for such old app.

I just left the Apple store party in the San Francisco Bay Area. Lotsa people and very cool. The T-shirt is very cool IMO. The Apple store employees were all so well groomed as usual and all set to give workshops on the features of Leopard.
So here are my observations:
During the Time Machine demo given from the Apple employee it was demoed on the 30" cinema display so it was very impressive to watch the space graphics but unfortunately Time Machine crashed in the middle of his demo and he had to call over his manager and a hard reset was necessary.

Also I was playing around with one of the store's Mac Pros and opened the Finder and Mail and when I hit the Time Machine button the Mac Pro crashed.

Stacks was awesome but the grid feature is stuttery.
Coverflow was a big hit at the Apple store but in Cover Flow view some icons show up as low resolution but most likely that's because those apps need fine tuning from the developers. All of Apple's apps had beautiful icons in Cover Flow.
All in all I was at the Apple store for 4 hours and didn't want to leave because my copy is not shipping until monday. Even with all of the bugs I am still installing. 10.5.1 shall follow very soon :D

[cohibadad]

FWIW

I had 2 laptops that needed the directory rebuilt with Disk Warrior before installation was possible. One was a one year old macbook pro that gave an installation failed error and the hard drive would no longer show up as available for installation. Disk Utility failed but after rebuilding with Disk Warrior upgrade went without a hitch. The second was similar except the disk didn't show up as an option from the beginning. Disk Warrior found a volume wrapper problem, rebuilt and upgrade went without a hitch. This was a G4 powerbook. Also, Archive and install works much different than with the developer seeds. All of my applications seem to have remained in the applications directory and continue to function. Before all non-bundled apps went to the previous systems folder. One of my iMacs (previous gen C2D) found a firmware update after upgrade also.

[SiliconAddict]

Umm guys. I don't know if this has been noted but Fast Switching that was demoed at WWDC, and subsequently removed in later builds of Leopard may not be in Leopard. But the service is definitely in Windows after you load the drivers. I was tweaking Windows default services when I ran across this interesting find.

http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=88818&stc=1&d=1193460133

[naftalim]

I think you didn't boot off the installation CD. Put in the CD, go to Restart,when the screen turns black, hold down the C key till the Grey Apple Logo appears and the spinning wheel. This should bring you to the Install Screen.

Pay attention to the Install, the default is Upgrade, if you want Archive and Install or Erase and Install, you need to go to Options.



Hey everyone!

I am just a lurker who could use some help! I started installing Leopard -- did the restart, but don't get to the installation instructions. My iBook G4 just shows the working icon on a blue screen. Any thoughts? Thank you!

[flopticalcube]

Umm guys. I don't know if this has been noted but Fast Switching that was demoed at WWDC, and subsequently removed in later builds of Leopard may not be in Leopard. But the service is definitely in Windows after you load the drivers. I was tweaking Windows default services when I ran across this interesting find.

http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=88818&stc=1&d=1193460133
I noticed that as well. Can't wait to see it in action!

[desenso]

Fresh install on a 3-day-old MacBook Pro:

The bad:

Screen sharing within the network is horrendously buggy. I can literally click what I KNOW is the right l/p to the computer 5 times, and I will get 4 consecutive "incorrect l/ps", and suddenly the 5th time it'll work
Finder bogged down horribly on a couple of occasion and required a hard reset
The "shared" menu is flakey, and disappears randomly
Lots of program crashes


The good:

As a whole, when the system works, it seems snappy; I swear Safari seems faster
The new side-dock is a nice evolution. I actually kind of like the shelf look on the bottom, but i never keep my dock down there, so I can't make use of it
Time machine, when it works properly, is going to be a nice, effortless way to backup.
The significantly faster spotlight is delightful, and I'm not 100% sure I'll reinstall quicksilver (though I'll certainly miss some of its functionality if I don't).
The level of customization possible within the guest account is impressive
WHen it works, screen sharing is awesome

[Draddy]

So I thought I should share my fairy tale story...

Fedex dropped my family pack off at 10:10 this morning, installed it on my macbook pro, took about 35 minutes for a erase and install... everything went perfect, launched in, was sure to remove the drivers and languages, so the install was only like 3.5GB...

everything works great but i cannot figure out how to import my mail files from my (non exported...just cloned) backup, but that's my problem.


So I took the DVD and did an archive and install on an ibook 1.33 G4, 512mb, took about 3 hours... just so you know, it stayed on "about a minute" for about 35 minutes, and on the blue screen for about 15, but launched in fine.

Neither have had a single problem... I've gone through all my video/audio/picture/documents/programs/settings and EVERYTHING has worked.... it's pretty amazing.

As far as the ibook goes, it runs exceptionally well... all the video interfaces are smooth (little jumpy at times, but what do you expect)

iChat is amazing.... communicated with the iBook and the macbook pro on different networks and video was perfectly smooth... sharing desktops was seamless, video chat was great....

and this was the first time i've EVER been able to use the video camera built in to my MBP, on the old iChat I could NEVER get it to work, I always got the ( **my name** did not respond) error.

nothing has gone wrong, and i LOVE all the new features, well worth the 200 bucks.

[naftalim]

You might have missed the Options Button, the default is Upgrade.

I wasn't really given an option to do a fresh install, archive and install, or upgrade install...I put the DVD in and ran the "Install Leopard" icon which brought up a screen to Restart. So I did that and went through the setup steps but it never asked me what type of install to do, and I couldn't see any option to change it. Will this just do an upgrade install since I selected it in Tiger?

[stevenz]

No ****? You must be a rocket scientist.

This is the first time I've encountered any multi-license Apple product, no need to be a prick about it.

[iViet]

so i bought the 24" imac, got 3 shirts (my son and daughter with me) and came home, installed it, now i can't play poker (fulltiltpoker.com) . i can log in, and hear the sounds, but can't see the table, anyone able to play?

[-Alan-]

It looks like the bash shell is upgraded to 3.2... Apache to 2.2 ... Python to 2.51. I haven't looked at any other. :)

[RobMack]

I have been using the GM version of Leopard for about a day and I am overall very happy with it, especially now that Software Update works....
One thing I am frustrated with is the way a Finder window opens when I click on a folder within a folder in Stacks. I am sure that in the developer build, when I clicked on a folder within a folder, it just opened with in the stack. Now it opens a Finder window. For example, if I had a folder in the Downloads folder I would click on the Downloads folder in the Dock, then click on the folder within the Downloads folder, and it would just show the content of that folder within the stack, either in fan or grid view.
I hope this makes sense...

[SiliconAddict]

Delete key doesn't work in Windows. Something with apple's drivers for the keyboard. I should be able to hit FN-Delete to delete. No dice. :( Definitely going to have problems gaming without that key.

I am seeing that there is an update under Apple Software update in Windows. Lets see if that helps.

EDIT: Nope. It still does the equivalent of Alt-Back Arrow. Going to see if I can dig up one of my older Bootcamp driver disks and load the driver from there. :(

EDIT AGAIN: That did it. reloaded the drivers from the Leopard DVD. The drivers didn't take. Might have been due to plugging in an external keyboard before rebooting. Oops. :rolleyes:

[Infrared]

This is what I have to do in Leopard every time I want to
connect to a wireless network:

http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wirelesszz4.jpg

The new OS doesn't sense the networks and connect
automatically like Tiger did. And I have to do all that
every time the machine wakes from sleep (I often let
it sleep).

[cohibadad]

One thing I am frustrated with is the way a Finder window opens when I click on a folder within a folder in Stacks. I am sure that in the developer build, when I clicked on a folder within a folder, it just opened with in the stack. Now it opens a Finder window. For example, if I had a folder in the Downloads folder I would click on the Downloads folder in the Dock, then click on the folder within the Downloads folder, and it would just show the content of that folder within the stack, either in fan or grid view.
I hope this makes sense...

That was removed in later builds. I liked how you could open folders and stay in stacks too. Even though they didn't have an ability to go backwards.

[cohibadad]

Check out what happens when you browse your network filled with windows shares


I think leaving that image in the GM was a mistake that will be corrected. Funny for developer builds but pretty juvenile for general release.

[Draddy]

BTW: my macbook pro is running cooler than it was before with leopard... it used to run 67 on average (3 days ago)... now it's averaging at 60-62

[chatin]

I did a clean install of Leopard on my newest MBP, and was blown away by the speed increase.

This version is a must for all Intel based Macs with the Core-2 duo! If you just have the core-duo you can't get the real message here... :apple: POWER!

Also, loved all the new GUI tweeks and spaces is a big improvement on Linux in the vein of the untouched dashboard. Lots of good things remain the same, proving the old adage: if it ain't broke.

32-bit Vista is a total joke compared to this heavy lifter. I've seen the new Dell m1330 and these guys are just fooling themselves.

[SiliconAddict]

I did a clean install of Leopard on my newest MBP, and was blown away by the speed increase.

This version is a must for all Intel based Macs with the Core-2 duo! If you just have the core-duo you can't get the real message here... :apple: POWER!

Also, loved all the new GUI tweeks and spaces is a big improvement on Linux in the vein of the untouched dashboard. Lots of good things remain the same, proving the old adage: if it ain't broke.

32-bit Vista is a total joke compared to this heavy lifter. I've seen the new Dell m1330 and these guys are just fooling themselves.

I hate to break it to you but the 64-bit nature of Leopard doesn't have a dang thing to do with its performance. :rolleyes:

[pjarvi]

Installation:
-Woke-up my MacBook in Tiger
-Inserted Leopard DVD and selected option to Install Leopard, then restarted
-Booting from the Leopard disc was rather slow (~2 minutes)
-Customized my install options (erase & install, 1 printer driver manufacturer, no other languages)
-Started install (Time estimate: 19 minutes)
-Made some Kool-aid (4 minutes)
-Kool-aid was funky, so poured it out and re-made it (5 minutes)
-Install completed and system rebooted (Total install time: 20 minutes)
-Configured profile, .Mac, and so forth

First Login:
-Prompted to select external drive for Time Machine
-Opened System Preferences and went through each item customizing to my liking
-NEW! iSync offered an option to "Merge" data already on .Mac with what was on the computer (I've never seen this option before)
-Added network printer (bonjour), no problems
-Setup iTunes, no problems
-Setup Safari, no problems (iSync successfully synced bookmarks)
-Added Applications folder to Dock, icon sucks, changed the icon by creating folder as first item in folder, still sucks
-Transferred backed up iTunes library back to local drive (firewire seems 10-20MB/s faster than Tiger??)
-Initiated Time Machine backup to capture iTunes library, going DOG SLOW

Bad Things:
-EyeTV 2.5 is failing to find my channel line-up. The scan works, but when it's done it doesn't seem to be able to communicate with the channel lineup server. Maybe the server is overwhelmed or crashed tonight from everyone re-installing? :confused:

Good Things:
-I really like that Time Machine changes the icon of the drive it takes over. It looks really nice next to my other external drive icons
-Time Machine was so simple to setup, easily my favorite feature of Leopard
-Did I mention I really like Time Machine? Although, it has been DOG SLOW backing up my iTunes library (50+GB), I won't hold it against it
-Everything launches faster, but I had already noticed the same speed improvement after replacing the HDD in my MacBook with a 7200RPM drive
-The transparency of the menu bar really sets the mood for the new OS, setting it apart from Tiger

[WildPalms]

I bet Apple feels REALLY sorry for you.



If you already have a working backup-solution that you are happy with, why do you need Time Machine? So you could whine about something?

He's from New Zealand, its the national practice to bitch and moan about the most insignificant things ;)

[WildPalms]

Hey SiliconAddict,

If your running a M$ server you can install services for Macintosh & reshare you SMB volumes via AFP.

Hope that helps!
Ben.

Why do you assume a well serving file server = Microsoft? Where was that stated?

[laurencenoton]

How do i see my Aperture album in Front Row....im sure it can do - even says so in the little manual that come with leopard "you can show your photos in iPhoto, Photobooth and Aperture"

[irun5k]

Overall, not impressed with this release. I was impressed with Tiger but not so much with this.

Folder icons look tacky, transparency serves no purpose except making things difficult, Java 6 is NOT included, and I hate the dock. IMHO the dock should be pretty low key and not detract from your work. I don't like the new dock vertically OR horizontally... vertical has an ugly border. Not excited about Stacks although it may be useful to some.

Spaces is one of the best parts. Haven't tried Time Machine but if it works as advertised that is important to me also.

Did I mention there is no Java 6 and the Java 6 beta has been pulled? Leopard would like to welcome all Java developers to the year 2005.

Oh, and the blue screen thing in cover flow is just totally childish. This has no place in a professional, supposedly top-shelf OS. Way to take the low road, Apple.

[dmarkman]

Overall, not impressed with this release. I was impressed with Tiger but not so much with this.

Oh, and the blue screen thing in cover flow is just totally childish. This has no place in a professional, supposedly top-shelf OS. Way to take the low road, Apple.

I think you can see blue screen icon for pc servers, only because
there was some error to connect to that server
if connection was established you won't see bsod screen

[PCMacUser]

He's from New Zealand, its the national practice to bitch and moan about the most insignificant things ;)

Ouch, man, ouch.

[dmarkman]

Hi All,

]an you please tell me why all of a sudden, it is more than 134 GB when before installation it was around 75? Is it because I did archive and install?

yes it is. go to the "/Previous Systems" and clean it up. remember that it contains invisible folders as well (e.g. "/Previous Systems/2007-10-26_XXXX/usr " so better to clean those folders from the terminal)

[blackcrayon]

I really like how coverflow/column view renders HTML files that you highlight in the finder with webkit, then changes the icon to a thumbnail of the web page... Great for previewing a bunch of files in a web development directory.

[weblogik]

During the Time Machine demo given from the Apple employee it was demoed on the 30" cinema display so it was very impressive to watch the space graphics but unfortunately Time Machine crashed in the middle of his demo and he had to call over his manager and a hard reset was necessary.

Also I was playing around with one of the store's Mac Pros and opened the Finder and Mail and when I hit the Time Machine button the Mac Pro crashed.




THIS ALL SOUNDS REALLY REASSURING LMAO!!!

[scunky]

So excited to get leopard yesterday.
One if the first new features i tried was Time Machine.
used a 160gb Firewire Drive as my backup Drive for
my 100gb 15" Macbook Pro.
The initial Backup took about 1 1/2 hours to complete
but that is just a "one off" I believe. when I plug in my firewire
drive in the future it will only backup any changes I have made
which should be a quick operation.

loving the new OS very slick and cool :)

[CWallace]

So far I like it.

Seems snappier then Tiger, though if I have some serious HDD activity going on (like when I was copying back 100GB of user data from an external drive), I cannot eject mounted images or external drives (had to wait for the copy job to finish and then they ejected).

Also, I cannot install the AI 13.0.1 patch on my Al iMac. It just hangs. Be it via Adobe Updater or manually. Applied fine under Leopard on my MacBook... *shrug* All the other updates are fine and AI works great at 13.0, so no worries, frankly.

[tallyho]

Just installed and so far seems fine. In fact it seems more responsive than it was before (running Panther) but that might be because the machine had been upgraded from OS X 10.1 to Jaguar to Panther and had loads of accumulated rubbish everywhere, whereas the Leopard install was an erase and install. Coverflow isn't as slow as I expected it would be! :)

[BigHat]

1. Dumped my keychain. That will be a hassle.

2. I keep getting this "pubsubagent wishes to access data on your idisk acct" etc. What the hell is this about?

3. Safari acting weird. Seems to freeze up.

4. Had to set up printers again.

5. Lost my Pages access. Have to dig up the serial number to revalidate.

Not overly impressed thus far.

[Scalfani]

Did anyone successfully get their old calender to sync back with the new ical? I have tried a few times with "backup" but it doesn't work which is weird becase backup did a nice job on reverting safari bookmarks, and my keychain passwords.


I did an erase and install because it makes me feel better.

Got the safari and keychains preferences back from idisk.

And all of my other programs and files from an external, except i forgot to back up my iweb page. DOH!!!!!

[MrCrowbar]

Seriously. Here's my list of things that worked fine in 559 but are kinda broken in the release version:

USB overdrive worked perfect in 559. I had set my Logitech G5 to have all buttons assigned to useful function. In the release version, the 2 buttons under the wheel can not be assigned to keystrokes anymore. I loved having one for spaces and one for dashboard. Also, having a mouse key assigned to F9 does not work properly. I will do exposé all right, but to quickly change windows, you hold the exposé button, move the pointer to the window you want and then release the button. This still works when using the keyboard, but on the mouse, it will act like if you pressed F9 every second...

Apple Remote worked fine in 559. In the release version, the Apple remote only works for Apple apps like Quicktime, Front Row, iTunes and Finder (volume). I used the remote a lot with eyeTV, Alarm Clock, VLC player, none of those work with the remote at all. I guess 3rd party used APIs that are now deprecated... Tiger introduced the Apple Remote and now none of the apps using it work in Leopard... lame.

Right now, the dark grey dock is the only thing holding me back from reinstalling the developer build... for those who don't know, to activate the dark grey dock on the botton, just copy and paste the following onto Terminal:

defaults write com.apple.dock no-glass -boolean YES
killall Dock

[MonkeyClaw]

Well I upgraded my Mac Pro yesterday and I must say, after playin then leavin it off for the evening, booting it and playing with it today, I must say that I'm impressed. Leopard is awesome cause its a collection of small things with a couple big things thrown in. It just improves the user experience by a lot. The only things I can think of is that Im surprised that iTunes was not upgraded with the new traffic lights and old aqua scroll bars. Not a big or bad thing, just a surprise. Also, I thought there were new volume bezels. Mine looks the same as those found in tiger. Other than that, everything on here is awesome, webclip is surprisingly useful and spaces is pretty damn cool. I haven't needed time machine but from what i can see, it works quite well. Overall I'm quite pleased.

[ariza910]

Did anyone successfully get their old calender to sync back with the new ical? I have tried a few times with "backup" but it doesn't work which is weird becase backup did a nice job on reverting safari bookmarks, and my keychain passwords.
!


iCal, Safari and Address Book all transfered over fine from Tiger to Leopard after a clean instal.

[armani]

Apple Remote[/B] worked fine in 559. In the release version, the Apple remote only works for Apple apps like Quicktime, Front Row, iTunes and Finder (volume). I used the remote a lot with eyeTV, Alarm Clock, VLC player, none of those work with the remote at all. I guess 3rd party used APIs that are now deprecated... Tiger introduced the Apple Remote and now none of the apps using it work in Leopard... lame.

You are absolutely right about the remote. it does not work. Also, previously I fixed no audio problem when avi. files played in QT, now I have this problem again and can not fix the old way. Front Row look too simple and have no design at all. Why apple changed for worse version. I tried to put the old one back - did not work.

[MrCrowbar]

Apple Remote[/B] worked fine in 559. In the release version, the Apple remote only works for Apple apps like Quicktime, Front Row, iTunes and Finder (volume). I used the remote a lot with eyeTV, Alarm Clock, VLC player, none of those work with the remote at all. I guess 3rd party used APIs that are now deprecated... Tiger introduced the Apple Remote and now none of the apps using it work in Leopard... lame.

You are absolutely right about the remote. it does not work. Also, previously I fixed no audio problem when avi. files played in QT, now I have this problem again and can not fix the old way. Front Row look too simple and have no design at all. Why apple changed for worse version. I tried to put the old one back - did not work.

Well, it apperas the developers of eyeTV are working on an update to get the Apple Remote working again. M eyeTV hybrid shipped with a big TV remote, but it only works on the sensor on the eyeTV hardware, which is pointing to the back of my Macbook when plugged in which males the whole thing pretty useless. VLC is open source, I bet there will be an update within days to fix it.

[MrCrowbar]

This is seriously annoying. I'm used to dump files on my USB drives. I was used to just enter the names or tags in Tiger's spotlight and it would search and find it on the external drives. Leopard only searches "this Mac". How do I change this? I have a bunch of externals on USB and usually don't know on which drive the files I'm searching for is on. Any help?

EDIT: I found out spotlight doesn't index/search/find stuff on the volume where Time Machine put the "Backups.backupdb" folder. It makes sense not to index the tome machine backups, but I have other files on the same hard drive too. :-(

[gri]

I just did a cleaninstall of Leopard on my 1 week old MacBook pro 2.2 and my brightness, and all volume keys stopped working. I repaired permissions and rebooted but nothing. Those keys don;t work. Just a heads up.

After reading that post I tried mine, same thing. Volume works though but not the backlighting keys

Edit: Try this, cover both speaker grids (I used the Leopard box parts) and than try to activate the backlighting - than it works. Maybe i was too bright? My PB does the same thing in Tiger.

[Scalfani]

try using the function keys. hold fn key then press the other key. you can change it in your preferences keyboard settings

[CWallace]

iCal, Safari and Address Book all transfered over fine from Tiger to Leopard after a clean instal.

As they did for me, using this great article - http://www.procata.com/blog/archives/2007/02/16/how-to-transfer-mac-os-x-application-data-between-computers/

[Draddy]

This is seriously annoying. I'm used to dump files on my USB drives. I was used to just enter the names or tags in Tiger's spotlight and it would search and find it on the external drives. Leopard only searches "this Mac". How do I change this? I have a bunch of externals on USB and usually don't know on which drive the files I'm searching for is on. Any help?

EDIT: I found out spotlight doesn't index/search/find stuff on the volume where Time Machine put the "Backups.backupdb" folder. It makes sense not to index the tome machine backups, but I have other files on the same hard drive too. :-(
hmmmm...I don't think that is the case with mine... I have the backups.backupdb on my external and I can still spotlight to stuff on that drive....

[HLdan]

THIS ALL SOUNDS REALLY REASSURING LMAO!!!

Well what I was trying to mention is that Leopard is a bit buggy but that's to be expected. It was a lot worse on Vista's launch and not much has gotten better.

Now that being said I didn't include the fact that I played with several other Macs at the Apple store and I pushed them pretty hard with multitasking and experienced no crashing, freezing or stuttering. Leopard was quite a pleasure aside from what I first saw on the Time Machine demo. I tried it on Macbooks, MBP's, iMacs and Mac minis and no issues at all so the crashing could easily be from bugginess or how the OS was installed because Leopard worked like a champ on the other machines.

[maknik]

Installation went fine, about an hour start to finish. My 2c:

-- I hated the dock, but killed the 3D business using the terminal trick and now quite like the look.
-- I don't care for the transparent menu bar -- sky blue is not what I want all the time. Still need to figure out how to fix that, or just photoshop my desktop picture.
-- Time Machine, the big draw for me, turns out not to work with my SMB NAS drive.
-- Lost all my external monitor settings in the update-install, had to dig up SwitchResX to fix that.
-- The top bar of any selected window seems too dark for my taste -- I much prefer the color when the window isn't selected, it's more like how I had it with Uno back in Tiger. Also, the engraved-effect around the text (ie, the 1-pixel white highlighting) against the darker background makes the text look blurry.
-- Saft is gone; I'd forgotten how annoying ads were, and putting new tabs at the end of all my other tabs seems incomprehensible.
-- This I blame perhaps more on me than the OS, but when I was using spaces with an external monitor -- boy, what a muddle resulted after an hour or so. Command-tabbing seems by comparison so much easier, though I'm sure I'll get used to it.

On the plus side though, all of my applications seem to work, I like the web-clip widget function, and I love that I can shrink the grid spacing on the desktop -- now room for even more junk! And I'm looking forward to trying iChat, to see if they've finally gotten rid of that awful lisp-inducing audio compression.

Definitely the least exciting of three OSX updates I've experienced, I must admit.

[HLdan]

Installation went fine, about an hour start to finish. My 2c:

-- I hated the dock, but killed the 3D business using the terminal trick and now quite like the look.
-- I don't care for the transparent menu bar -- sky blue is not what I want all the time. Still need to figure out how to fix that, or just photoshop my desktop picture.
-- Time Machine, the big draw for me, turns out not to work with my SMB NAS drive.
-- Lost all my external monitor settings in the update-install, had to dig up SwitchResX to fix that.
-- The top bar of any selected window seems too dark for my taste -- I much prefer the color when the window isn't selected, it's more like how I had it with Uno back in Tiger. Also, the engraved-effect around the text (ie, the 1-pixel white highlighting) against the darker background makes the text look blurry.
-- Saft is gone; I'd forgotten how annoying ads were, and putting new tabs at the end of all my other tabs seems incomprehensible.
-- This I blame perhaps more on me than the OS, but when I was using spaces with an external monitor -- boy, what a muddle resulted after an hour or so. Command-tabbing seems by comparison so much easier, though I'm sure I'll get used to it.

On the plus side though, all of my applications seem to work, I like the web-clip widget function, and I love that I can shrink the grid spacing on the desktop -- now room for even more junk! And I'm looking forward to trying iChat, to see if they've finally gotten rid of that awful lisp-inducing audio compression.

Definitely the least exciting of three OSX updates I've experienced, I must admit.

I think you need to go back to Tiger. There's nothing about Leopard you like. You keep searching for haxies to change the new stuff Leopard offers. This upgrade is not for you, based on your post.

[MrCrowbar]

hmmmm...I don't think that is the case with mine... I have the backups.backupdb on my external and I can still spotlight to stuff on that drive....

Weird. Do you have backups.backupdb on the same partition as your other stuff? HFS+ formated? The privacy tab in the spotlight preferences is empty, so it can't be the problem. Please help.

EDIT: I had a folder called "Backup" on that external drive. Renaming it to something else solved the problem. I guess Spotlight knows to ignore the Backups.backupsdb folder and just ignores folders in the same direcotry that start with "Backup". Just a guess, but now it all works.

[slackpacker]

Anyone know how to activate this?

Hot Spots
Monitor up to ten different areas onscreen and be alerted when there’s a change. Then jump directly to any hot spot to investigate or take action.

Its supposed to be a Universal Access feature.

I think its been Yanked

[keslux]

I was psyched to get Leopard, but was a bit frustrated when I installed it. I was upgrading from 10.4 (latest)

- The install hung at the screen to choose install location. I had to hit the back button a couple of times and finally my HD appeared as a location.

- Once I got it installed, my user ID had lost all admin priveleges. I had to reboot in command line mode to fix it: see the following link (thanks Aussie_geek!) http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=375901

- The install deleted all of my X11 settings. Maybe some Mac users don't care about X11 apps, but it was a bit annoying.

- The biggest issue in my opinion is that there is no longer Netinfo Manager! That tool was soooo useful and they took it away!? Hopefully a replacement will appear soon in an update.

A side effect from the loss of admin privs after the install resulted in the root account being disabled (or maybe they disabled it on purpose). With no NetInfo Manager you have to do it with CLI...

Enable root account in Leopard: open terminal (Applications/Utilities/Terminal.app) and type:

sudo passwd root

Then enter the password you want root to have and hit enter. It will ask you to re-enter the root password, so re-enter the password and hit enter. The root account is now enabled! :)

The absence of NetInfo Manager was a big surprise to me... I hope they come up with a replacement. For example, you can manually modify the hosts file via CLI, but you have to run several commands and edit particular files. With Netinfo Mgr it was easy...

Overall I think Leopard (compared to Tiger) is a little prettier, a little slower, a little more locked down, and I hope new updates come soon.

I just hope that Apple has not fallen into the MS model of releasing software before it is ready (aka 'service pack' model). These bugs are widely reported on the Web and should have been found by Apple's testers. As far as the absence of NetInfo Manager? Yeah, not sure what was going on in Stevo's mind there...

I'm going to stick with it though. I like the overall look. The bumps I mentioned above can be fixed. I'm hoping for updates and Apple seems to be pretty good about updating their stuff based on use feedback.


Keslux

[HLdan]

I just hope that Apple has not fallen into the MS model of releasing software before it is ready (aka 'service pack' model). These bugs are widely reported on the Web and should have been found by Apple's testers. As far as the absence of NetInfo Manager? Yeah, not sure what was going on in Stevo's mind there...

I'm going to stick with it though. I like the overall look. The bumps I mentioned above can be fixed. I'm hoping for updates and Apple seems to be pretty good about updating their stuff based on use feedback.


Keslux

Well when you consider that this is quite a major upgrade from Tiger it's sort of acceptable for things to not be perfect from the start. Yes I personally feel it was rushed since development stopped in favor of that stupid iPhone and our computing needs are suffering a bit from this but you can't say Apple is becoming MS. Overall Leopard runs very well when you think about all the new features it has. It's not just a pretty OS with gadgets like Vista. 10.5.1 will most likely be available by the end of November, unlike MS where they wait a whole year before a Service Pack update.

[ingenious]

Well when you consider that this is quite a major upgrade from Tiger it's sort of acceptable for things to not be perfect from the start. Yes I personally feel it was rushed since development stopped in favor of that stupid iPhone and our computing needs are suffering a bit from this but you can't say Apple is becoming MS. Overall Leopard runs very well when you think about all the new features it has. It's not just a pretty OS with gadgets like Vista. 10.5.1 will most likely be available by the end of November, unlike MS where they wait a whole year before a Service Pack update.

Yes, I've had a few problems, but I think Leopard as a whole is very polished, and much more so than Tiger was at the beginning! :eek:<shudders>.

[maknik]

I think you need to go back to Tiger. There's nothing about Leopard you like. You keep searching for haxies to change the new stuff Leopard offers. This upgrade is not for you, based on your post.

Am I supposed to stay with Tiger until Cougar (or whatever) comes out? As the months go by, more and more software will require the current OS, as always. Better to figure out how to live in Leopard, I think, than put off the inevitable (and in any case, it would be a major pain in the ass to downgrade now). Lastly, please read the whole post before commenting on it: I clearly stated three things I liked about Leopard, and there are plenty more. But my main point was that, pros and cons alike, all these changes are pretty small potatoes.

[koobcamuk]

Am I supposed to stay with Tiger until Cougar (or whatever) comes out?

I agree with what you say - software requires the newer OS further down the line; so keep with the newer OS.

As for minor upgrades.

1) Spaces feels like I am running 4 different macs from one machine. This is awesome. My MacBook feels huge. And powerful. I was recording from eyetV in one space, surfing and chatting in another and doing work in my 3rd space.

2) Stacks - downloads are straight to an accessible place. More convenient is just dropping a folder in there and watching it either fan out or pop up in grid view. Time saved not trawling through the finder.

3) Safari seems snappier. It really does.

4) Mail is awesome.

5) Quicklook has already saved me minutes waiting for MS Word to load.

6) Excited about the future 10 updates :D

[dogtanian]

6) Excited about the future 10 updates :D

I hope they make a real effort on fixing the issues that have come up. Many people consider them note-worthy on Mac Rumors so they should (hopefully) be sorted with a .1 update. :o

[ariza910]

After using it for 24hrs I have to say that it feels like a solid OS.

Everyone has heard the good stuff here are my complaints....

Stacks - are cool but why cant I keep a regular folder in the dock? I dont want every folder in the dock to be a stack. The trash doesnt stack - and when there is nothing in a folder it just opens up a finder window?? Also from a usability stand point I dont think new users will make the connection that a documents stack and a the documents finder folder are the same thing. The limit of icons in grid view is a drag.

Address Book - where did the connect to bluetooth device go? Also, you cant right click on a number anymore and pull up the options 'dial' and 'send SMS' WTF - I thought they would ad this function to the iPhone connected to Leopard- not take it away from everyone. For those that don't know - you use to be able to connect to a cell phone from OSX via bluetooth from address book and any time you received a call it would display caller ID right in OSX, you could also dial a number on the cell right from address book and even send and receive SMS through your cell right from a pop up screen in OSX, it was awesome.

Folder Icons - I know this is minor - but really? blueish grey 2D folder icons? what is this 1987? EVERY icon is a folder - even the library icon - I cant tell them apart and they look so boring.

[armani]

I am also wondering if I am doing something wrong or what here or apple forgot something? When I open finder window and I want to sort icons view, let's say by kind, I don't have an option "apply to all windows" anymore like it was in tiger. Now I have to set up every window I open. It is frustrating and time consuming. I totaly agree on icons limit in stacks - why, what os the point. At least we should have an opting tp scroll further.

[HLdan]

After using it for 24hrs I have to say that it feels like a solid OS.

Everyone has heard the good stuff here are my complaints....



LOL, I think we've heard more complaints than the good stuff. :eek:

[HLdan]

Stacks - are cool but why cant I keep a regular folder in the dock? I dont want every folder in the dock to be a stack. The trash doesnt stack - and when there is nothing in a folder it just opens up a finder window??

Address Book - where did the connect to bluetooth device go? Also, you cant right click on a number anymore and pull up the options 'dial' and 'send SMS' WTF - I thought they would ad this function to the iPhone connected to Leopard- not take it away from everyone. For those that don't know - you use to be able to connect to a cell phone from OSX via bluetooth from address book and any time you received a call it would display caller ID right in OSX, you could also dial a number on the cell right from address book and even send and receive SMS through your cell right from a pop up screen in OSX, it was awesome.



What's the difference of having a file folder in the dock and it becoming a stack? It should right? How else would you want to access the files in it?

I have had 3 bluetooth phones all of which had no functions disabled as some cell phone companies do and none of them have ever been able to connect to the bluetooth function in Address Book. All of my phones easily connected through iSync and I was able to sync my Address Book contacts and iCal events but I can see why Apple removed the Address Book bluetooth feature, it has hardly worked. Several of my friends had the same issue. We all wanted to use it for text messaging and no go. If it worked for you, you were one of the few.

[ariza910]

What's the difference of having a file folder in the dock and it becoming a stack? It should right? How else would you want to access the files in it?

I have had 3 bluetooth phones all of which had no functions disabled as some cell phone companies do and none of them have ever been able to connect to the bluetooth function in Address Book. All of my phones easily connected through iSync and I was able to sync my Address Book contacts and iCal events but I can see why Apple removed the Address Book bluetooth feature, it has hardly worked. Several of my friends had the same issue. We all wanted to use it for text messaging and no go. If it worked for you, you were one of the few.

Worked perfectly with Sony Ericsson cell phones - my point was that we should have seen the Address Book bluetooth link feature extended to the iPhone - not removed all together. Why does apple feel like they need to remove features people have been using for years?

For those who want to see what it was like check out the following link.. dial from address book, send/receive SMS text, caller ID with option to send the incoming call to voice mail and/or respond with a text to say your busy etc. really awesome control over your cell.

http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/wireless/2002/11/27/sms.html

My problem with stacks is the limit # of icons that can be displayed and lack of sorting within stacks - just want the option of having some folders in the dock act just like regular folders - no reason not to give people this option - again a feature that has been removed for no good reason.

[RobMack]

Just wondering if anyone has used Leopard in a large environment? I am interested to know how hundreds of networked systems are displayed in the Finder on the right hand side under SHARED? Do the devices get grouped by subnet like they did in the Clasic Chooser, or do you get a massive long list of shared systems?

[ingenious]

Just wondering if anyone has used Leopard in a large environment? I am interested to know how hundreds of networked systems are displayed in the Finder on the right hand side under SHARED? Do the devices get grouped by subnet like they did in the Clasic Chooser, or do you get a massive long list of shared systems?

I'm not sure about by subnet, but at my school, where there's a mixed Mac/PC environment, the Sidebar just lists the first 10 or so and then has a "More..." option. Connected servers/volumes appear at the top of the list.

[RobMack]

I'm not sure about by subnet, but at my school, where there's a mixed Mac/PC environment, the Sidebar just lists the first 10 or so and then has a "More..." option. Connected servers/volumes appear at the top of the list.
Thanks for the info. I assumed that Apple would have some way of controlling the list but I was not sure how they would do it.