Sign This Petition To Impeach Bush!

[vwcruisn]

Not sure if this link has been posted.. but here it is http://www.votetoimpeach.org/

Please sign and pass it along to everyone you know. The sooner this moron is out of the white house.. the better everyone will be (except the top 1 percent and the wealthy/dishonest corporations ;) )

[Waluigi]

Isn't it very ironic that the same people who were so vocal about impeaching clinton are the first ones to lable you a traitor for even mentioning impeaching bush. I remember someone's signature here at macrumors.com used to include something along the lines of 'At least clinton's lies didn't kill anyone'.

Unfortunatley, this impeachment movement won't solve anything, and doesn't have the congressional support to be successful. If you don't like bush, then please go vote in the 2004 election! If every american voted, bush would be out of a job. Use your energy to get people to vote, and stop this sporatic, negative, and unfocused stuff. I didn't support clinton's impeachment, because it didn't solve anything, and niether will this! Sorry, I don't support this.

--Waluigi

[chadfromdallas]

Worst. Idea. Ever.

[Dont Hurt Me]

no kidding if we impeached him who what are we left with?Dean?Kerry?Lieberman? i think ill stick with George, unless big Al is running.

[Frohickey]

Big Al Sharpton??? :confused:

[Dont Hurt Me]

not exactley how about Big Al Gore. you know the only democrat i see as beating bush. the one with the popular vote but lost the electoral college.

[Durandal7]

It was bad enough when the Republicans did it, now this? Why not be adult enough to stop the cycle of political fiascos?

[tazo]

Why should he be impeached? Because he didnt get laid in the oval office? Like the role model Clinton?

[Dont Hurt Me]

i think what both parties have forgotten at times is we need to support the president, democrat & republican. he is privey to much info that we are not. all i can say is support your president either side.

[bobindashadows]

Originally posted by tazo
Why should he be impeached? Because he didnt get laid in the oval office? Like the role model Clinton?

Did he ever actually have sex in the Oval Office? If I remember correctly, the famous night in December when Clinton invited Miss Lewinsky into his office, all that happened was that she gave him Oral sex, because she was on her period, so they stopped there.

[edit]
Nevermind, that was a different encounter in january.

[Dont Hurt Me]

who cares except a bunch of politicians and lawyers, i dont.

[Code101]

votetoimpeach.org won't get to first base. Support our President, he has done a good job! He is doing his best. His best has been very good. I feel much safer with him vs. someone like Dean or Gore.

[IJ Reilly]

I'm prepared to ignore this misbegotten effort and wait for next year's "impeachment" vote.

[bobindashadows]

Originally posted by IJ Reilly
I'm prepared to ignore this misbegotten effort and wait for next year's "impeachment" vote.
That is what I appreciate... thank you, thank you for a voice of reason.

[Waluigi]

Originally posted by IJ Reilly
I'm prepared to ignore this misbegotten effort and wait for next year's "impeachment" vote.

Oh no, we seem to agree.

--Waluigi

[vwcruisn]

all i'm saying is.. if they can impeach clinton for the "lie" he made... and what bush did is so much worse.. so why can't we impeach him too?

for everyone living in california... does anyone find it funny that you can replace gray davis' name in all the recall B.S. with the name GEORGE W BUSH and it all holds true just the same... boy o boy.. the country we live in today... :rolleyes:

[Frohickey]

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
not exactley how about Big Al Gore. you know the only democrat i see as beating bush. the one with the popular vote but lost the electoral college.

Big Al Gore. Got it.

Popular vote is pointless in the election of the President. Electoral votes is what determines the outcome of the election of the President. Its been that way since this Republic was started. And it has worked fine for the past 200+ years.

[Sayhey]

Originally posted by Frohickey
Big Al Gore. Got it.

Popular vote is pointless in the election of the President. Electoral votes is what determines the outcome of the election of the President. Its been that way since this Republic was started. And it has worked fine for the past 200+ years.

Actually ... no, it hasn't worked fine since near the beginning of the republic. It was never designed as a way to elect a president who did not have more support of the people than other candidates. It just has worked out that way on several occasions. Look at the elections of 1824,1876, and, of course, 2000. The 1800 election almost worked out that way as well and the Constitution was changed to prevent a repetition (XII Amendment.) You may think that because we have or had a president serve after each of these elections everything is great, I however, think a President should actually have the most votes. There is something basic in the principle of representative democracy that is being ignored if that doesn't take place. The reasons for this anachronism have long past and it is time to get rid of the electoral college.

[mactastic]

This is a non-starter. By the time we could even get around to impeaching him it'll be November of next year already. Let's solve our problems at the ballot box/computer terminal.

Unless proof of intentional lying comes out. That could change my mind.

[Sayhey]

There maybe grounds to impeach Bush, but it is politically impossible to accomplish with this Congress. Also without clear violations of the law the people of the US like to have these things decided by elections. To try to do it otherwise will only strengthen Bush. I'm all for working hard to elect someone else next year.

[mactastic]

I agree. Without a Republican congress, Clinton would never have been impeached, and without a Democratic congress there will be no Buch impeachment. Nor even a meaningful investigation into 9/11, or the Iraq fiasco.

Now where can we find a bloodthirsty, liberal prosecutor with an unlimited budget, timeframe, and scope of investigation to go after Bush at taxpayer expense?:p

[Sayhey]

Originally posted by mactastic
Now where can we find a bloodthirsty, liberal prosecutor with an unlimited budget, timeframe, and scope of investigation to go after Bush at taxpayer expense?:p

I think we'd have to ask Ashcroft for his ok. Now, what do you think the odds are in Vegas for that happening?

[vwcruisn]

Originally posted by Sayhey
I think we'd have to ask Ashcroft for his ok. Now, what do you think the odds are in Vegas for that happening?


true... i agree with the majority of the posts.. with the current congress.. ashcroft... the time bush has left etc... it really would not be possible to impeach under the current time constraints... i guess i just signed it as my way of protesting his precidency and the atrocities he has committed in office. i guess it just made me feel a little better to know i wasn't alone.. thats all :)

[K4NN4B15]

word, vote him out. If like 40% of the country's eligable voters just show up at the booths bush couldnt even lie cheat or steal his way back into office.

[Sayhey]

Originally posted by vwcruisn
true... i agree with the majority of the posts.. with the current congress.. ashcroft... the time bush has left etc... it really would not be possible to impeach under the current time constraints... i guess i just signed it as my way of protesting his precidency and the atrocities he has committed in office. i guess it just made me feel a little better to know i wasn't alone.. thats all :)

You are not alone! If the polls are any indication you are in the majority.

[K4NN4B15]

And yeah, i know the polls dont support that. But polls are full of crap. Who actually answers those calls?

[Frohickey]

Originally posted by Sayhey
Actually ... no, it hasn't worked fine since near the beginning of the republic.

Maybe we will get to elect the President via a popular vote. Maybe we should allow the majority of states that did not vote for the President to secede from the Union.

That is the main reason that the election of the President is the way it is. So that big populous states do not determine the direction of the Union, while the smaller states have no stay.

If we do it via the popular vote, then the states of California, New York and Florida would be the only ones needed in order to elect a President. Maybe Idaho, Colorado, Tennessee and others should just take the ball and go home and leave the United States.

[ColoJohnBoy]

Originally posted by tazo
Why should he be impeached? Because he didnt get laid in the oval office? Like the role model Clinton?

He should be impeached for decpetion of the American public about the true nature of the threat Iraq posed. My father is currently serving in Iraq, just outside of Baghdad, with the 303rd Armored Cavalry. He is a Republican. He voted for Bush. But now, he and many if not most of the other soldiers there are not only wanting to come home (as is to be expected) but are seriously questioning the value of the overthrow of Iraq in the first place, and the ultimate cost we will pay by being there. None of them believe in the "cause" for which they are fighting. They remain only because to do otherwise would be branded treason, a crime punishable by death. My father loves this country, loves the ideas it stands for.

George Bush and his advisors have betrayed us. They have deceived the American public about the true nature of the threat Iraq posed to the world. They have willingly and wantonly and unjustly suspended the civil liberties of thousands of innocent people, and want only to further such suspensions. They have made illegal business deals regarding the reconstruction of Iraq and turned a blind eye to previous crimes by corporate executives. They have led this country from a strong economic force, to one of massive deficit, endangering the economies of every nation in the world. They have not adequately communicated with the American public on any issue; all that is said is vague, pseudo-political phrases that tell us nothing. They have ignored international beliefs and urgings and rendered an important world organization utterly meaningless.

Worst of all, in my life, they have taken my father away from me, sent him halfway around the world to fight in an unjust war started only for their own personal gain. I want my father back. I want Bush out.

Let impeachment and trial by the United States Senate show him, his advisors, and others who might consider implementing policies and affecting behaviors like his, that the American public will not be deceived. They will not let innocents be imprisoned unjustly, or let innocent soldiers die away from their families without reason or cause. They have betrayed us. The must be removed.

[ColoJohnBoy]

Originally posted by tazo
Why should he be impeached? Because he didnt get laid in the oval office? Like the role model Clinton?

Bill Clinton certainly behaved badly. he should never harmed his family in such a way, and should have deceived the country about that personal matter.

But it was and is just that: A PERSONAL MATTER.

It was not our business, and never was. It should never have been brought into public knowledge. He shouldn't have lied about it when he was subpeoned. But it is no more than one can expect out of himself or any other.

Some of the people very critical of President Clinton forget some factors, he did not run for the President of the United States as the chairman of "Moral" Majority or as a monk. He ran as a politician, and there is a big difference. Of course we expect some moral examples from a sitting President as long as he doesn't snatch somebody's hamburger while jogging pass McDonald's restaurant, or beat somebody upside the head to steal some money --- that's all the morality that counts. Society can't nail a president to the wall because of a social crime committed by 70 percent of married men and 60 percent of married women. If we do, it's hypocrisy!

Charity starts from home, parents should be the role models for their children not sport stars or celebrities. If anybody is looking for a moral leader, such a person should visit his/her minister or go visit the Pope, and not target a politician. Religious leaders are the ones who took the vows to be the moral conscience of society.

[chadfromdallas]

Bush is cool because he is from Tejas :D

[Waluigi]

Originally posted by chadfromdallas
Bush is cool because he is from Tejas :D

He was born in Connecticut. He actually did lose his home state in the 2000 election, just like Gore.

--Waluigi

[chadfromdallas]

He governed here, so I'll consider him a Texan ;)

[Waluigi]

Originally posted by chadfromdallas
He governed here, so I'll consider him a Texan ;)

Yea, he also considers himself a Texan too, so I guess your right. It is interesting that he was born in CT, and his dad in MA, both states who historically vote in democrats!

--Waluigi

[Daveman Deluxe]

There is a built-in impeachment process every four years that doesn't cause political instability: it's called the general election.

On an unrelated point, the people of California would do well to keep that in mind as well.

[chadfromdallas]

California = political nightmare


So glad I don't live there.

[ColoJohnBoy]

Originally posted by chadfromdallas
Bush is cool because he is from Tejas :D

Yeah, that's a great reason to vote for someone, or approve of his behavior: because he's form your home state. Well, I was born in Utah, so Gary Gilmore is cool (well, was cool, until he was executed for mass murder) because he was from Utah.

Look, despite what most people practice, you are supposed to vote for and support politicians based on their prior record and policy decisions. Not on if the person is "cool".

[chadfromdallas]

Originally posted by ColoJohnBoy
Yeah, that's a great reason to vote for someone, or approve of his behavior: because he's form your home state. Well, I was born in Utah, so Gary Gilmore is cool (well, was cool, until he was executed for mass murder) because he was from Utah.

Look, despite what most people practice, you are supposed to vote for and support politicians based on their prior record and policy decisions. Not on if the person is "cool".


I wasn't old enough to vote when he was elected....was just stating a fact ;)

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by Daveman Deluxe
There is a built-in impeachment process every four years that doesn't cause political instability: it's called the general election.

On an unrelated point, the people of California would do well to keep that in mind as well.

Agreed with one small clarification:
the people who started the recall process and signed the petition would do well to keep that in mind.

The % of people behind the recall is a tiny fraction of the electorate.

[pseudobrit]

Originally posted by Dont Hurt Me
no kidding if we impeached him who what are we left with?Dean?Kerry?Lieberman? i think ill stick with George, unless big Al is running.

Umm, no, that'd be Cheney, per the Constitution.

Are you confusing impeachment with the recall process? There's no election after an impeachment.

[Sayhey]

Originally posted by Frohickey
Maybe we will get to elect the President via a popular vote. Maybe we should allow the majority of states that did not vote for the President to secede from the Union.

That is the main reason that the election of the President is the way it is. So that big populous states do not determine the direction of the Union, while the smaller states have no stay.

If we do it via the popular vote, then the states of California, New York and Florida would be the only ones needed in order to elect a President. Maybe Idaho, Colorado, Tennessee and others should just take the ball and go home and leave the United States.

According to your logic my vote as a Californian should not count as much as someone from Wyoming. It makes no sense that in voting for the two people we elect as a nation to have certain of the votes cast count more than others. We have a institution that protects the smaller states - it is called the Senate. As to the idea that states can leave the union - sorry we settled that in 1865.

[Daveman Deluxe]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Agreed with one small clarification:
the people who started the recall process and signed the petition would do well to keep that in mind.

The % of people behind the recall is a tiny fraction of the electorate.

I stand informed.

[mactastic]

Originally posted by chadfromdallas
California = political nightmare


So glad I don't live there.

Yeah that 65-degrees-in-the-winter-85-degrees-in-the-summer weather really sucks. So does the nearly year-round availibility of the produce that's grown here and shipped east. Plus I'm just about sick of living blocks from the ocean in a tourist town. God I should move to the great state of Texas. :rolleyes:

Politics ain't everything in life. There's alot more to it than than.

[Sayhey]

Originally posted by mactastic
Yeah that 65-degrees-in-the-winter-85-degrees-in-the-summer weather really sucks. So does the nearly year-round availibility of the produce that's grown here and shipped east. Plus I'm just about sick of living blocks from the ocean in a tourist town. God I should move to the great state of Texas. :rolleyes:

Politics ain't everything in life. There's alot more to it than than.

mactastic, chadfromdallas is just posting nonsense to stir people up. He's not serious about anything he's saying. I've heard rumor he is another poster using this handle as a joke.

[mactastic]

Originally posted by Sayhey
mactastic, chadfromdallas is just posting nonsense to stir people up. He's not serious about anything he's saying. I've heard rumor he is another poster using this handle as a joke.

I know. He's a troll right? That's why I didn't make an actual arguement, just a sarcastic observation.:p

[sturm375]

I dissagree with those who say that impeachment should not be attempted. The Presidential Oath of Office, has been broken. Bush has failed to protect and uphold the Constitution. This, among other items listed in the complaint equate to a valid argument for impeachment.

The only reason this will not happen, is because Bush is pretty popular. This should not make a difference in a nation supposedly (according to the republicans of Clintongate) governed by the "Rule of Law." But I guess that catchy phrase only applies when a Democrate is accused of breaking the law.

[mactastic]

Originally posted by sturm375
I dissagree with those who say that impeachment should not be attempted. The Presidential Oath of Office, has been broken. Bush has failed to protect and uphold the Constitution. This, among other items listed in the complaint equate to a valid argument for impeachment.

The only reason this will not happen, is because Bush is pretty popular. This should not make a difference in a nation supposedly (according to the republicans of Clintongate) governed by the "Rule of Law." But I guess that catchy phrase only applies when a Democrate is accused of breaking the law.

I think Nixon would disagree with you if he could.

[chadfromdallas]

Originally posted by Sayhey
mactastic, chadfromdallas is just posting nonsense to stir people up. He's not serious about anything he's saying. I've heard rumor he is another poster using this handle as a joke.


Eh? Everything I say I'm serious about. :rolleyes:


I see California as a vacation spot. Its not a place where I would love to live. My opinion, like it or don't.


Oh, and I really don't post anything funny, so how would this be a joke?

[IJ Reilly]

Originally posted by chadfromdallas
Oh, and I really don't post anything funny

You mean it isn't intentional?

[zimv20]

chadfromdallas (if his name actually is chad and if he's actually from dallas) is just spitting flamebait.

rower - have you done an IP check on him?

[chadfromdallas]

Well I'm sure I'll end up banned after this. :rolleyes: This forum can't stand someone with opinions that are different from the mass :o

[Rower_CPU]

zim-

His and Code101's IPs don't match, and he doesn't appear to be one of our friends back to visit us.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by chadfromdallas
Well I'm sure I'll end up banned after this. :rolleyes: This forum can't stand someone with opinions that are different than the mass :o

Not at all. What this forum can't stand are people who can't follow the rules (http://forums.macrumors.com/announcement.php?s=&forumid=4).

[mactastic]

Originally posted by chadfromdallas
Well I'm sure I'll end up banned after this. :rolleyes: This forum can't stand someone with opinions that are different from the mass :o

Yes it can.

[zimv20]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
zim-

His and Code101's IPs don't match, and he doesn't appear to be one of our friends back to visit us.

thanks for checking.

hmmm... maybe he is from dallas... :-)

[Waluigi]

Originally posted by chadfromdallas
Well I'm sure I'll end up banned after this. :rolleyes: This forum can't stand someone with opinions that are different from the mass :o

I've had some different opinions then other members in another political discussion thread, and I survived somehow? As long as you make a good effort to tell people what lead you to a different conclusion, rather then just spiting it out, things will run a lot smoother. This is a great forum for discussion, and most everyone here is pretty fair and openminded.

--Waluigi

[zimv20]

http://www.sacbee.com/state_wire/story/7382279p-8325847c.html


Santa Cruz to ask Congress to consider impeaching Bush

By MARTHA MENDOZA, AP National Writer
Last Updated 12:15 a.m. PDT Wednesday, September 10, 2003

SANTA CRUZ, Calif. (AP) - The Santa Cruz City Council has become the first local government in the country to pass a resolution that will call for Congress to look into impeaching President Bush over his handling of the war in Iraq.

[...]

The resolution, approved Tuesday by a 6-1 vote, authorizes Santa Cruz Mayor Emily Reilly to send a letter to House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner asking if Bush has committed any impeachable offenses that could lead to his ouster.

City leaders say Bush violated international treaties by going to war in Iraq, and that the president manipulated public fears to justify the war and undercut Constitutional rights.

[...]

Arcata, another California coastal community about 350 miles to the north, will be considering a similar resolution calling for impeachment next month.

[mactastic]

Yeah like the Santa Cruz city council will make a difference. Oh well, it helps keep the conservative tourists away so it's a little less crowded in the summers.

They really should have better things to do with their time.

[zimv20]

Originally posted by mactastic
Yeah like the Santa Cruz city council will make a difference. Oh well, it helps keep the conservative tourists away so it's a little less crowded in the summers.

They really should have better things to do with their time.

i've got some mixed feelings on this one. you've expressed one of them. the other is: hey! grass roots politics in action!

wouldn't it be something if this went somewhere?

[mactastic]

Originally posted by zimv20
i've got some mixed feelings on this one. you've expressed one of them. the other is: hey! grass roots politics in action!

wouldn't it be something if this went somewhere?

I grew up there... The city council has a history of these kinds of proclamations, and none of them go anywhere. Like the time they declared Santa Cruz a "hate free zone". It made me want to go to city hall and stand outside with a sign listing all the things I hate.

I hate homophobes.
I hate racists.
I hate liars.
I hate people who hate people for no good reason.
I hate city councils wasting my time and money on stupid pronouncements.

Stuff like that.

[Frohickey]

Originally posted by ColoJohnBoy He should be impeached for decpetion of the American public about the true nature of the threat Iraq posed. My father is currently serving in Iraq, just outside of Baghdad, with the 303rd Armored Cavalry. He is a Republican. He voted for Bush

US Army organization (http://www.army.mil/organization/activeunits.html)

I find no mention of a 303rd Armored Cavalry, in Colorado or elsewhere.

[Frohickey]

Originally posted by ColoJohnBoy Some of the people very critical of President Clinton forget some factors, he did not run for the President of the United States as the chairman of "Moral" Majority or as a monk. He ran as a politician, and there is a big difference

Ex-President Bill Clinton LIED under oath, this is from the CHIEFExecutive official in the United States of America.

[Frohickey]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU Agreed with one small clarification:
the people who started the recall process and signed the petition would do well to keep that in mind.

The % of people behind the recall is a tiny fraction of the electorate.

The percentage of people that signed the petition for initiating the recall of Governor Davis is adequate amount as allowed by law. People would do well to remember that the recall supporters followed election law... unlike what Secy of State Kevin Shelley tried to do to postpone the recall election by trying to postpone the certification of signatures, which is also defined in the law.

Also, the republican party is a latecomer in supporting the recall effort. The recall effort is grassroots, at its finest.

[Frohickey]

Originally posted by Sayhey
According to your logic my vote as a Californian should not count as much as someone from Wyoming. It makes no sense that in voting for the two people we elect as a nation to have certain of the votes cast count more than others. We have a institution that protects the smaller states - it is called the Senate. As to the idea that states can leave the union - sorry we settled that in 1865.

Your vote as a Californian does count, and if 50.1% of your fellow Californians vote for candidate A, all of your electoral votes go to candidate A. That is the way it is. In certain states, the electoral vote of a state is proportioned according to the election results, and that is specified in that state's election laws.

As to the states leaving the union, if the question were asked today, which states do you expect to fight on your side? Last I see, the liberal states of California and New York are anti-war. :p

[zimv20]

Originally posted by Frohickey
the liberal states of California and New York are anti-war. :p

probably 'cuz the residents thereof got the most sense...

[vwcruisn]

Originally posted by zimv20
probably 'cuz the residents thereof got the most sense...

my sentiments exactly :)

[Code101]

Originally posted by chadfromdallas
Well I'm sure I'll end up banned after this. :rolleyes: This forum can't stand someone with opinions that are different from the mass :o

I have to agree with chadfromdallas! Everyone is so far left on here that they can't stand Chad and I. Zim and a few others even tried to get us kicked off by saying we were the same person or saying that I was someone else that has been kicked off. This is very appalling!

You can't stand people from the Right! Admit it. It's funny how so many Mac owners are Liberal. Well I have news for you. More and more of us from the Right are starting to use Macs. We are here to stay. Get over it and stop the hate!

Instead of trying to get us kicked off because you don't like our point of view, grow up and argue your point! This is as bad as NPR. They don't let anyone from the Right on their, or I should say our radio show.

Just be nice and fair. I don't try to get you kicked off by spreading lies about you.

Come on!

[zimv20]

i'm sorry! i didn't try to get you kicked off! you just sounded like someone here before! this board can be tolerant! we just want people to follow the rules! and back up their arguments with facts!

i'm running out of exclamation points!!!!

[wwworry]

Originally posted by Frohickey
Ex-President Bill Clinton LIED under oath, this is from the CHIEFExecutive official in the United States of America.

The difference between a conservative and a liberal is that liberals put things in context (that he lied about a personal matter that had no bearing on official policy) and conservatives see things in black and white (technically Bush did not lie about Iraq but he misled us dearly).

So conservatives still go on about how evil Clinton was (ignoring Nixon) and completely forgive Bush of all his lying, manipulating crap that is costing each of us a lot of money and killing many American soldiers and Iraqi civilians and independent journalists. So I ask you, how many people died from Clintons lies? What did it cost you? Now, how many people are dying in Iraq and Afghanistan? How did we go from budget surplus to $562 billion dollar deficits in 3 years???????????????????

Bush really messed up. Elect someone else.

[Sayhey]

Originally posted by Frohickey
Your vote as a Californian does count, and if 50.1% of your fellow Californians vote for candidate A, all of your electoral votes go to candidate A. That is the way it is. In certain states, the electoral vote of a state is proportioned according to the election results, and that is specified in that state's election laws.

As to the states leaving the union, if the question were asked today, which states do you expect to fight on your side? Last I see, the liberal states of California and New York are anti-war. :p

Frohickey,

I know how the Electoral College works. Actually, it doesn't take 50.1%, but rather a plurality of the votes for a candidate to win the votes of the state or in the case of Maine or Nebraska, a plurality in the congressional district gets the candidate the vote of that district.

The way I figure it, California with a population of 33,871,648 (2000 census) and 54 electoral votes in the 2000 election, got one vote in the election for every 627,253 people who live in the state. Wyoming got 3 for the 493,782 people who live there. Clearly, Wyoming's votes counted for more than the equivalent number of Californians. Also, with the winner take all format in place in 48 of the 50 states, it means that an enormous number of votes cast in large states, such as California, are essentially not counted. For instance, the appox. 4.5 million Californians who voted for your buddy, George W. Bush, did not get their votes counted in the Electoral College vote. And the same could be said of the 60,000 plus who voted for Gore in Wyoming.

Frohickey, it is simple. There is a principle recognized the world over as the foundation of democracy. It is "one person one vote." The Electoral College is an anachronism that violates that principle. Yes, evey eligible person can vote, but clearly we don't count each vote equally. It is time we caught up with the rest of the democratic nations of the world and get rid of this dinosaur.

Sorry, the stuff about secession just isn't in the real world.

[Rower_CPU]

chadfromdallas and Code101-

Neither one of you has been here long enough to know all the permutations that this forum has gone through in terms of left/right, democrat/conservative, etc. balance.

We are open and tolerant, but we do not stand for people who cannot back up their statements and only seem to post things to instigate flamewars. The rules are quite clear on this, so I suggest you both make yourselves familiar with them.

Let's not continue this discussion here. If you have something more to say, PM me.

[Sayhey]

Originally posted by Code101
I have to agree with chadfromdallas! Everyone is so far left on here that they can't stand Chad and I. Zim and a few others even tried to get us kicked off by saying we were the same person or saying that I was someone else that has been kicked off. This is very appalling!

You can't stand people from the Right! Admit it. It's funny how so many Mac owners are Liberal. Well I have news for you. More and more of us from the Right are starting to use Macs. We are here to stay. Get over it and stop the hate!

Instead of trying to get us kicked off because you don't like our point of view, grow up and argue your point! This is as bad as NPR. They don't let anyone from the Right on their, or I should say our radio show.

Just be nice and fair. I don't try to get you kicked off by spreading lies about you.

Come on!

I'll be glad to have a discussion with you. Just back up the "rah-rah" for Bush with your reasoning and a few supporting facts and we can have all the discussion you want.

[Code101]

Originally posted by Sayhey
I'll be glad to have a discussion with you. Just back up the "rah-rah" for Bush with your reasoning and a few supporting facts and we can have all the discussion you want.


I'm a fair guy. Or at least I try to be fair:) I believe I have backed up my support for our president. Many times in fact. Just back up into some of my older posts.

In any event, I do back up what I say with fact. I'm quite up on the facts. This is what I do for a living aside from Cocoa and MS VS.NET programing.

Anyway, I think we have ran this thread to it's max:)