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Oct 27, 2007, 04:05 PM
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The launch of Mac OS X Leopard has generated a lot of discussion in our Forums (http://forums.macrumors.com) resulting in 8015 new posts on Friday. This comes second to the previous one-day record of 8143 posts that was achieved on iPhone launch day (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/06/29/iphones-have-arrived/).

To organize this volume of posts, we've split the Mac OS X forum into:

- Mac OS X (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=69)
- Mac OS X Help and Troubleshooting (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=116)
- Mac OS X 10.4 and Earlier (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=117)
- Leopard Meetup Events (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=114)

Please direct your posts to the appropriate forum.

Here are a couple of solutions to some early problems:

- Solution (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=375444) to the "Installer Blue Screen" hang - blamed on Application Enhancer
- Solution (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=376092) to Hard Disk not appearing on Install "Choose a Destination".
- Tips from Apple (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=306714) for iChat backdrop effects.
- Apple has already issued a Software Update Login & Keychain Update 1.0 (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=306804) which addresses issues with old account passwords, connecting to some 802.11b/g wireless networks and FileVault password changes.
- Guide: List of Apps not compatible with Leopard (http://guides.macrumors.com/List:Applications_Not_Compatible_with_Leopard)

And some interesting new Leopard features:

- Photo Mosaic Screensaver: Choose a photo album from the Desktop & Screen Saver control panel, then click on the 3rd "Display Style" (Mosaic)
- iTunes Visualizers (iTunes -> View -> Visualizer): Lathe, Jelly and Stix
- Spotlight can be used as a calculator
- Control Panel -> Speech -> Text to Speech. New Alex Voice in Leopard.
- DVD Player with Chapter Index and Full Screen Controls
- Retro and Security screensavers are included in the Developer Tools (instructions (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=4394710&postcount=8))

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/10/27/mac-os-x-leopard-support-issues-and-cool-features/)

Photo courtesy of Doctor Q from the Los Angeles Leopard Meetup (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=369966)



Willis
Oct 27, 2007, 04:10 PM
Nice few hints there.. Spotlight as a calculator i think is pretty neat

arn
Oct 27, 2007, 04:19 PM
Everyone should try the Mosaic screensaver. It's very cool.

arn

chelsel
Oct 27, 2007, 04:25 PM
as soon as apple fixes the dock and restores the right-click menu functionality and as soon as WindowShade works again then I'm in the Leopard camp. Can't wait!!!

Darkroom
Oct 27, 2007, 04:27 PM
too bad for the video pros using the new Premier CS3...

but i wonder if apple was being a douche and purposefully crapping out on acrobat, since Preview now does .PDF editing... but even if not, Acrobat is a big elephant while Preview is quite snappy... so it's all good.

Darkroom
Oct 27, 2007, 04:28 PM
as soon as apple fixes the dock and restores the right-click menu functionality and as soon as WindowShade works again then I'm in the Leopard camp. Can't wait!!!

right click is there already... but by default the mouse options in sys prefs sets both buttons to "primary button"... jsut goto sys prefs > keyboard and mouse to change it

sonofpismo
Oct 27, 2007, 04:29 PM
The FrontRow application has its own screensaver now.

When it tries to turn on, the screen shows heavy signs of corruption, and can be rectified by returning to the main FrontRow menu.

Anyone else?

products7074740
Oct 27, 2007, 04:31 PM
Am I the only one not getting/having trouble with this mosaic screensaver?

so i click on a folder of a bunch of pictures and it makes this big mosaic. The problem is....only three pictures are used so the mosaic effect is kind of ...lame.

the other pictures appear in those transitional spot but the mosaic tiles are made up of only three pictures. I have no idea why. I have tried switching the folder and still.

Nicky G
Oct 27, 2007, 04:35 PM
Oh my god the Mosaic option for a photo folder screensaver is freaking me out, man! ;)

geerlingguy
Oct 27, 2007, 04:37 PM
I found where the intro video (and an MP3 of the audio) is stored:

1. Go to Computer > Hard Drive > System > Library > Core Services.
2. Right-click on 'Setup Assistant' and choose 'Show Package Contents'.
3. In the window that opens, open Contents > Resources.
4. Right-click on 'Transition Section.bundle' and choose 'Show Package Contents'.
5. In the window that opens, open Contents > Resources.

You'll see 'intro-sound.mp3' and 'intro.mov' - just open both of these up, and put the audio starting at the beginning of the video (I just used QuickTime Pro to paste the audio track on top of the video track; there's some extra audio at the end). There you have it!

I really liked the music - it was quite catchy.

dogtanian
Oct 27, 2007, 04:39 PM
Any chance someone could post a couple of pics of the mosaic screensaver, i'm not really getting it from the descriptions!

In case anyone is interested, I ordered my new MBP 2.4, AEBS, iPod Nano, iWork & Aperture earlier today :)

Darkroom
Oct 27, 2007, 04:46 PM
Any chance someone could post a couple of pics of the mosaic screensaver, i'm not really getting it from the descriptions!

not sure it's possible to screenshot screensavers... but let me try to explain:

it displays one of your images in full screen... then that image very slowly fades back, and you notice that other images from your other albums are beginning to display all around the main start image... it's like zooming out of a square on a matrix... so it slowly zooms back, and when it becomes very far away, the inclusion of all the other images have generated another image that is in your iPhoto library...

obviously this effect works best if there are thousands of images in your iphoto...

thefunkymunky
Oct 27, 2007, 04:49 PM
Photo Mosaic Screensaver option.

arn
Oct 27, 2007, 04:50 PM
It does this with your photos

http://www.dreden.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/Kennedy_Mosaic.jpg

and in a constant zoom-out. So the mosaic'd picture then becomes one of the many images making up the next mosaic'd image.

arn

jaw04005
Oct 27, 2007, 04:52 PM
I'm starting to have issues with Leopard on my MacBook. Everything appears yellowish when using the iSight camera in both iChat and Photo Booth.

Also, the dock has a frozen a few times.

Oh well.

thefunkymunky
Oct 27, 2007, 04:56 PM
It does this with your photos

http://www.dreden.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/Kennedy_Mosaic.jpg

and in a constant zoom-out. So the mosaic'd picture then becomes one of the many images making up the next mosaic'd image.

arn

You realise everyone is going to be looking to see if you have any naughty images in that mosaic. :D;):p:rolleyes:

Westside guy
Oct 27, 2007, 04:57 PM
Looking at the software compatibility lists - I'm going to have to wait a while before moving to Leopard. I rely on too many of those "problem" apps for work. CS3 updates won't be out until January, so even if I talk my boss into moving to CS3 (which is apparently "in the works", but not guaranteed) I'd likely see issues.

It's too bad, but none of Leopard's new features are "must have" for me so it's more of a "ooh, shiny, I want it" issue. I've already got an rsync-based backup system, so Time Machine will only be adding eye candy. I was hoping to move to iChat with 10.5, but Adium still works just fine. Spaces would be nice, but I only use VirtueDesktops occasionally as it is. Quicklook is probably handy; but I've lived without it so far.

There's still just a twinge of jealousy at this end, though. :D

haiggy
Oct 27, 2007, 04:57 PM
Oh my god the Mosaic option for a photo folder screensaver is freaking me out, man! ;)

lol watch it on fast with 100 lines for like 3 minutes then look at your desktop. Looks like it's coming out at you.. lol trippy

arn
Oct 27, 2007, 04:57 PM
You realise everyone is going to be looking to see if you have any naughty images in that mosaic. :D;):p:rolleyes:

that image was found on the internet. :)

arn

levitynyc
Oct 27, 2007, 04:58 PM
Oh my god the Mosaic option for a photo folder screensaver is freaking me out, man! ;)

That is unfcking believable. I was floored screaming OOOOOHHHH!!!! when i saw that...

SICK!!!!!

kjs862
Oct 27, 2007, 05:06 PM
The mosaic isn't working for me in addition to not having a transparent menu. Also the screen blinks purple for a second when I maximize a window from the dock. :mad:

When I select mosaic in the preview it says "You must have an iPhoto Library to run the Mosaic screen save."

pgwalsh
Oct 27, 2007, 05:09 PM
Everyone should try the Mosaic screensaver. It's very cool.

arn

Yes it is. I was blown away with it.... I have a ton of Photo's and it just was so cool to watch.

MrMighty
Oct 27, 2007, 05:09 PM
Not sure if this of any interest: about the mosaic screensaver. If you select for example 'Nature pattern', it will use the images in that category as 'base' images. You can then also change the speed of the animation. If you select an iphoto filmroll, it will use those images as the basis. However, you cannot change the animation speed (but it will use the speed you set earlier on).

Nicky G
Oct 27, 2007, 05:16 PM
lol watch it on fast with 100 lines for like 3 minutes then look at your desktop. Looks like it's coming out at you.. lol trippy

HAHAHAH LOL!!!!! This IN AND OF ITSELF is worth the price of 10.5!!!! LOL!!!!

:D

Darkroom
Oct 27, 2007, 05:18 PM
oh i've been meaning to ask: i no longer have a splash screen when booting into Mac OS X... like it no longer says "Mac OS X is start up" (or whatever it use to say) and show the progress bar... it just goes from the grey apple icon and loading indicator, to a blue screen, to my desktop... (but it's not slow)

is there no more splash screen in 10.5?

edit: forgot to mention that i did do a clean install...

thefunkymunky
Oct 27, 2007, 05:42 PM
oh i've been meaning to ask: i no longer have a splash screen when booting into Mac OS X... like it no longer says "Mac OS X is start up" (or whatever it use to say) and show the progress bar... it just goes from the grey apple icon and loading indicator, to a blue screen, to my desktop... (but it's not slow)

is there no more splash screen in 10.5?

edit: forgot to mention that i did do a clean install...

Splash screen and progress bar is still there but because it boots so fast you don't see it.;)

MrMoore
Oct 27, 2007, 05:44 PM
OK.

The Mosaic option is
COOL
:D

mdntcallr
Oct 27, 2007, 05:50 PM
so far so good for me. but I am getting the feeling this is really a nice incremental upgrade for os X.

Personally.... I believe $129 is a bit steep for the upgrade.

Should have been more like $79. The new OS is really not that much of an upgrade.

aLoC
Oct 27, 2007, 05:50 PM
it just goes from the grey apple icon and loading indicator, to a blue screen, to my desktop... (but it's not slow)

Me too. And the blue screen is there for like 5-10 seconds. I think it really needs a progress bar of some kind.

geerlingguy
Oct 27, 2007, 05:52 PM
lol watch it on fast with 100 lines for like 3 minutes then look at your desktop. Looks like it's coming out at you.. lol trippy

I had the EXACT same thought. And Mosaic didn't use a ton of resources, either!!!

imwoblin
Oct 27, 2007, 05:57 PM
Everyone should try the Mosaic screensaver. It's very cool.

arn

Mosaic screensaver is awesome... I'll rotate this with my Electric Sheep screensaver.

MrCrowbar
Oct 27, 2007, 06:00 PM
You realise everyone is going to be looking to see if you have any naughty images in that mosaic. :D;):p:rolleyes:

Hehe, top row in the middle:
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/6940/picture1km9.png (http://imageshack.us)

:D

yayaba
Oct 27, 2007, 06:10 PM
Safari 3.0 was worth the $39 for me ($100 iPhone rebate :)). That browser is seriously the fastest browser I have ever used before. Amazing.

After a year of using Firefox on my Mac I'm now a Safari convert.

ironring2006
Oct 27, 2007, 06:15 PM
Hehe, top row in the middle:
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/6940/picture1km9.png (http://imageshack.us)

:D
Looks like someone pinching a baby's outtie belly button to me ;)

Karf
Oct 27, 2007, 06:20 PM
You can now edit your Photo Booth effects.
Pick a effect and move your mose on the screen. Jou see now a slider.
You can also move the effect,

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/8205/naamloosvy2.png

happydude
Oct 27, 2007, 06:40 PM
mosaic screensaver is freakin!! awesome, man!!

Dagless
Oct 27, 2007, 07:27 PM
FRIG ME!

Mosaic is very awesome! Shame I don't use screensavers any more (just turn monitors off after 3 minutes).

But that is mightily impressive!

Heh, just realised Safari 3 does that IE style magnify feature. I can't stand that :o

stoutboy1
Oct 27, 2007, 07:35 PM
Is there A thread for Cool tips tricks and features of Leopard? If so were? If not someone should make one so we can see all there is to offer based on what we all think is cool.

Mosaic is bad-A. I though it was dumb for about 2 seconds until I figured out what it was doing. Thats the kind of cool crap that should be posted in the the thread I referred to above.

I really like the 10.5 update... GJ:apple:

bigandy
Oct 27, 2007, 07:37 PM
dumbass question, but does the mosaic screensaver work only with iPhoto, or does it build it from an Aperture library too?

don't have iPhoto installed, don't intend to install it, just reinstalling Aperture now..

akac
Oct 27, 2007, 07:40 PM
so far so good for me. but I am getting the feeling this is really a nice incremental upgrade for os X.

Personally.... I believe $129 is a bit steep for the upgrade.

Should have been more like $79. The new OS is really not that much of an upgrade.

Then you my friend are feeling a bit tired :) Seriously, this is probably the biggest upgrade of OS X since 10.0 from OS 9. Not only is the entire OS upgraded in every way for the user from the Finder (which is major) to the built in apps like iCal, Mail, iChat, Safari and new ones like Time Machine - but the internals (the frameworks) are huge. Its why so many app developers are making Leopard only versions for their next major releases. Think about it - why would they do that? Because Leopard offers *so* much for developers.

Doctor Q
Oct 27, 2007, 07:42 PM
Every time Apple adds another special effect feature, it adds to the Mac OS X popularity. They aren't important features when it comes to practical usability compared with all the productivity improvements like Spaces, Stacks, Time Machine, improved spotlight searching, notes in Mail, etc. But hey, having fun is important too! :)

Jetson
Oct 27, 2007, 07:43 PM
Waiting patiently for my copy of Leopard.

It's been in "Item Shipping Soon" limbo at Amazon for 3 days now.

-Alan-
Oct 27, 2007, 07:51 PM
Everyone should try the Mosaic screensaver. It's very cool.

arn

The Mosaic feature seems to only work on one monitor if you have a dual monitor setup.

bigandy
Oct 27, 2007, 07:52 PM
dumbass question, but does the mosaic screensaver work only with iPhoto, or does it build it from an Aperture library too?

don't have iPhoto installed, don't intend to install it, just reinstalling Aperture now..


spiffing, it works :)

arn
Oct 27, 2007, 07:57 PM
Is there A thread for Cool tips tricks and features of Leopard? If so were? If not someone should make one so we can see all there is to offer based on what we all think is cool.

I created one and stickied it:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=376399

Steve Jobs=God
Oct 27, 2007, 08:00 PM
Everyone should try the Mosaic screensaver. It's very cool.

arn


My jaw quite literally dropped when i first saw it, now i can't stop loading up the screensaver to see it again!

I love core Animation

ellyr
Oct 27, 2007, 08:07 PM
Looking at the software compatibility lists - I'm going to have to wait a while before moving to Leopard. I rely on too many of those "problem" apps for work. CS3 updates won't be out until January, so even if I talk my boss into moving to CS3 (which is apparently "in the works", but not guaranteed) I'd likely see issues.

It's too bad, but none of Leopard's new features are "must have" for me so it's more of a "ooh, shiny, I want it" issue. I've already got an rsync-based backup system, so Time Machine will only be adding eye candy. I was hoping to move to iChat with 10.5, but Adium still works just fine. Spaces would be nice, but I only use VirtueDesktops occasionally as it is. Quicklook is probably handy; but I've lived without it so far.

There's still just a twinge of jealousy at this end, though. :D

Me too. I'm really exercising some self-control by not jumping in and ordering an iMac and all the software I planned to get as soon as Leopard was released. I've got CS3 ready to go in its box and even though that PDF says I should be okay, I'm just as happy to wait a bit longer and watch what problems fall out and how they get fixed.

stoutboy1
Oct 27, 2007, 08:11 PM
I created one and stickied it:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=376399

Sweet, Good work:)... Now I hope everyone will add to it. This is going to be a long weekend with little sleep.

SiliconAddict
Oct 27, 2007, 08:19 PM
Photo Mosaic Screensaver option.

OK that's just too damn cool. :D

Umm has anyone had any problems with their Bonjour network shares? All of mind all of a sudden disappeared. Rebooted nothing. :confused:

candy
Oct 27, 2007, 08:28 PM
Google docs works in Safari - even though it says it doesn't.
Page Creator still doesn't work.

rikishah
Oct 27, 2007, 08:29 PM
I have seen some people having a problem where the "essentials package" could not be verified. My friend did a leopard install on his black CD macbook and it gave him that error. He purchased a family license and then installed it on his mac mini and it worked fine. Anyone have any idea what is going on here? There have been a few people on the apple forums posting that it may be due to the GUID HD format? Could that be the case?

Frisco
Oct 27, 2007, 08:55 PM
The Mosaic Screensaver is the "Top Secret" feature Jobs talked about. I am not being sarcastic--this is so cool and I love visuals!

No wonder Apple didn't seed the final build to developers.

adamfilip
Oct 27, 2007, 10:03 PM
One big issue that I have with leopard is with my
Sonnet Tempo X 4+4 Sata Card in my Powermac g5 dual 2.0
I have 4 Hard drives connected to the card... plus another 2 just on the regular g5 sata ports and the syetem is fairly unstable with the card plugged in

I really hope Sonnet issues a firmware fast because there current one isnt cutting it.

irun5k
Oct 27, 2007, 10:08 PM
so far so good for me. but I am getting the feeling this is really a nice incremental upgrade for os X.

Personally.... I believe $129 is a bit steep for the upgrade.

Should have been more like $79. The new OS is really not that much of an upgrade.

I pretty much agree. I could stomach the $129 a little better if the release included a Java 1.6 implementation, and if they would have toned down the visuals. I really dislike the new doc and transparent menus.

The 3-D doc on my macbook is a major distraction to my work area. It sits at the bottom of the screen and is too visually "busy." Too many reflections and it is hard to see which apps are open. The Tiger dock was spot-on. Looked modern, yet didn't distract. Unfortunately the 2-D dock option doesn't take you back to a Tiger-style dock. It is a Leopard 2-D dock that is like dark smoked glass with a major visual defect- a prominent white border!

I do like that brushed metal is gone and most of the windows look the same finally. Although, iTunes still has different scrollbars. Also, there is still no consistency in toolbar styles.

I don't care for the new Front Row. The old one was nicer IMHO. In the new one, the icon for music looks like a 5th grader designed it.

In large part, I think Leopard caused OS X to lose a lot of its refinement. In the place of visual refinement is bllng, transparency, and reflections. I think it is true that they've just spread themselves too thin.

The pluses for me are Time Machine and potentially Spaces. Although I would use Spaces mostly when I am coding and I won't be doing much of that without Java 6.

P.S. Mosaic is cool but it isn't like mosaic generators just like this haven't been around for quite some time. The algorithm isn't nearly as complex as you'd expect it to be.

BWhaler
Oct 27, 2007, 10:27 PM
Mosaic is hella cool. Remarkable. Truly remarkable.

justflie
Oct 27, 2007, 10:43 PM
Agreed, the Mosaic is now my screensaver. If you guys are looking for a program to do this (and do it REALLY well) while also including flicker, google images, etc, check out this sweet free program: MacOSaiX (http://homepage.mac.com/knarf/MacOSaiX/) Gotta love the name. It's a little buggy at times but I love it. It allows you to export the final photo (ie not a screensaver, but an assembler/exporter for these nice mosaics).

acslater017
Oct 27, 2007, 10:50 PM
Control Panel?! :eek:

System Preferences!

irahodges
Oct 27, 2007, 11:21 PM
I pretty much agree. I could stomach the $129 a little better if the release included a Java 1.6 implementation, and if they would have toned down the visuals. I really dislike the new doc and transparent menus.

The 3-D doc on my macbook is a major distraction to my work area. It sits at the bottom of the screen and is too visually "busy." Too many reflections and it is hard to see which apps are open. The Tiger dock was spot-on. Looked modern, yet didn't distract. Unfortunately the 2-D dock option doesn't take you back to a Tiger-style dock. It is a Leopard 2-D dock that is like dark smoked glass with a major visual defect- a prominent white border!

I do like that brushed metal is gone and most of the windows look the same finally. Although, iTunes still has different scrollbars. Also, there is still no consistency in toolbar styles.

I don't care for the new Front Row. The old one was nicer IMHO. In the new one, the icon for music looks like a 5th grader designed it.

In large part, I think Leopard caused OS X to lose a lot of its refinement. In the place of visual refinement is bllng, transparency, and reflections. I think it is true that they've just spread themselves too thin.

The pluses for me are Time Machine and potentially Spaces. Although I would use Spaces mostly when I am coding and I won't be doing much of that without Java 6.

P.S. Mosaic is cool but it isn't like mosaic generators just like this haven't been around for quite some time. The algorithm isn't nearly as complex as you'd expect it to be.

I happily, and politely disagree with all your complaints. I am very thankful for all those things.

I think the dock is a perfect evolution of beauty and efficiency...if I put them side by side, it is no more distracting than the tiger dock. Transparency is neither too much nor too little...everything is easy to read as long as you don't sit and stare at the menu for 10 minutes. The new front row looks much cleaner and more modern than the cheap (with huge font) tiger front row. There are a few things I don't like, but mostly they are things I hope Apple will fix in a software update! Cheers

Stella
Oct 27, 2007, 11:23 PM
The Mosaic Screensaver is the "Top Secret" feature Jobs talked about. I am not being sarcastic--this is so cool and I love visuals!

No wonder Apple didn't seed the final build to developers.

There are no top secret features because they have all previously been revealed.

--

Apple treats Java as second class. Apple will soon realise their mistakes.

deannnnn
Oct 27, 2007, 11:46 PM
AH MAN THAT STUFF LOOKS AWESSOMMEEEE!
i want leopardddddd!

princealfie
Oct 27, 2007, 11:56 PM
all of it just looks so so sleek!

mrplow
Oct 28, 2007, 12:10 AM
Agreed, the Mosaic is now my screensaver. If you guys are looking for a program to do this (and do it REALLY well) while also including flicker, google images, etc, check out this sweet free program: MacOSaiX (http://homepage.mac.com/knarf/MacOSaiX/) Gotta love the name. It's a little buggy at times but I love it. It allows you to export the final photo (ie not a screensaver, but an assembler/exporter for these nice mosaics).

MacOSaiX *sucks*.. I can never get it to work right (I had it work like a year ago, but more recently I tried again and it wouldn't do anything).

If anyone is interested in this stuff look around a little more, there are tons of better apps out there. I wrote one in my intro programming course last year ... and that's when I realized MacOSaiX was so bad. It's really slow, while the one I wrote can generate a mosaic in ~3 seconds?

Of course you could just take a screen shot of the apple screen saver :)


but hell yeah, apple's implementation is wicked :)

the.snitch
Oct 28, 2007, 12:15 AM
Control Panel -> Speech -> Text to Speech. New Alex Voice in Leopard.

How dare you refer to System Preferences as Control Panel! What are you, a recent Windows switcher?

:p

Easy mistake to make though arn.

HLdan
Oct 28, 2007, 01:28 AM
so far so good for me. but I am getting the feeling this is really a nice incremental upgrade for os X.

Personally.... I believe $129 is a bit steep for the upgrade.

Should have been more like $79. The new OS is really not that much of an upgrade.

In regards to the price it's actually quite reasonable. Vista Ultimate is $400. Also if you don't see Leopard as much of an upgrade then you really haven't used it, you've only observed it from a distance. I've been on the Mac OS system since OS 8.5 and I was floored at Leopards features when I played with it at the Apple retail store. It feels a lot different using it then watching the training video on Apple's website.

HLdan
Oct 28, 2007, 01:31 AM
How dare you refer to System Preferences as Control Panel! What are you, a recent Windows switcher?

:p

Easy mistake to make though arn.

He's really not that far off base. Control Panel was in classic Mac OS. Windows got it from Apple back in the day. Apple since changed it to System Preferences in OS X. As usual Mac OS had it first. :)

meagain
Oct 28, 2007, 01:47 AM
Whoa - The Mosaic screen saver and the iTunes Jelly visualizer make the $129 worth it alone to me. Thank you Apple.

MacBram
Oct 28, 2007, 02:02 AM
OK.

The Mosaic option is
COOL
:D

So many comments on it, it must be great. I won't be getting Leopard until Christmas. What I want to know is, is if someone can create Core Animation/Video effects like that and put them into plugins for slideshows in iPhoto?

For live events with my non-profit org I often project slideshows as people are arriving, or export them as QTs and put them in a Keynote. If the mosaic effect was available for that, that would be great.

So I hope Apple puts it in an iPhoto update or someone creates a plugin soon.

gr8tfly
Oct 28, 2007, 02:05 AM
Maybe it'll even work as a teaching aid... :)

The new system wide grammar checker works with Safari and will catch misuse of your/you're and it's/its (among others, I'm sure)

examples (from TextEdit):

arn
Oct 28, 2007, 02:07 AM
How dare you refer to System Preferences as Control Panel! What are you, a recent Windows switcher?

:p

Easy mistake to make though arn.

:) It actually comes from my //gs days and Mac OS 7-9 Days

http://apple2history.org/museum/images/a2gscontrolpanel.jpg

http://toastytech.com/guis/mac755control.gif

Old habits... and all.

arn

cohibadad
Oct 28, 2007, 02:40 AM
Control Panel brings back bad memories of rows of Extensions popping up at the bottom of the screen on boot. That memory alone was probably reason enough for them to change the name to System Preferences.

connectcctv@mac
Oct 28, 2007, 03:38 AM
Well ive done em. All 5 machines with no problems:eek::eek: Have to say that i am very impressed. Beats doing a MS upgrade any day

blackmondo
Oct 28, 2007, 04:27 AM
yep agreed - that mosaic screen saver is brilliant. Can't believe Apple didn't mention it in any marketing material :)

Also, I'm happy to report that the login & keychain update seems to have fixed major Airport issues I was having - airport kept dropping out constantly for me after the upgrade, but has been solid so far since I updated.

And I agree with the guy who said Safari is fast. It really is a rocket. Even Flash doesn't seem to be as slow (but I might be just getting overly excited there)

Thanks Apple!

laurencenoton
Oct 28, 2007, 04:44 AM
I pretty much agree. I could stomach the $129 a little better if the release included a Java 1.6 implementation, and if they would have toned down the visuals.

What are you on about? Java is free, just download the SDK for whichever version your building software against, install it and reset your JAVA_HOME. Thats what I have done and all my terminals set up the JAVA_HOME on launch...no problems.

boobooq88
Oct 28, 2007, 05:23 AM
lol watch it on fast with 100 lines for like 3 minutes then look at your desktop. Looks like it's coming out at you.. lol trippy

HAHAHAHA!! That is so freaky! Another top secret feature revealed!! :p

maclincsUK
Oct 28, 2007, 06:02 AM
my biggest complaint is that I have not received it yet!! UPS had it out for delivery from Friday!!! and still not arrived!, it better arrive tomorrow! all you lucky people have had all weekend to play with it!

RBMaraman
Oct 28, 2007, 06:07 AM
The Login & Keychain updated fixed the airport connection problem on my PB G4 1.67. Glad to see Apple's staying on top of the issues!

slackpacker
Oct 28, 2007, 06:39 AM
Anyone know how to activate this?

Hot Spots
Monitor up to ten different areas onscreen and be alerted when there’s a change. Then jump directly to any hot spot to investigate or take action.

Its supposed to be a Universal Access feature.:confused:

I think its been Yanked

Stella
Oct 28, 2007, 07:19 AM
What are you on about? Java is free, just download the SDK for whichever version your building software against, install it and reset your JAVA_HOME. Thats what I have done and all my terminals set up the JAVA_HOME on launch...no problems.

Download Java 6 from where? Apple have not released it. In fact, they have pulled the DP versions.

( Sun do not make the OSX JDK because Apple wanted to instead )

chelsel
Oct 28, 2007, 07:38 AM
The fact that Java 6 is missing is truly a shame. If you go to java.sun.com you'll see that there is no Java 6 distribution for Mac OS X. Java 6 has been available on other major platforms, Windows, Linux, Solaris for many months.

The fact that Java 6 is unavailable prevents me from using my Mac at my workplace as we have standardized on Java 6.

Wayfarer
Oct 28, 2007, 08:20 AM
I WANT my transparent menu bar!!! I was really looking forward to this, but Apple seemed to disable this capability on "older" hardware. (including my not-so-old iMac G5) I don't understand why, as all the other graphical effects work fluidly on my mac. This is my biggest concern. Everything else in Leopard is perfect, by me.

Someone please tell me how to enable the transparent menubar or I will flip out. :mad:

slackpacker
Oct 28, 2007, 08:26 AM
I WANT my transparent menu bar!!! I was really looking forward to this, but Apple seemed to disable this capability on "older" hardware. (including my not-so-old iMac G5) I don't understand why, as all the other graphical effects work fluidly on my mac. This is my biggest concern. Everything else in Leopard is perfect, by me.

Someone please tell me how to enable the transparent menubar or I will flip out. :mad:

Are you talking about the top menu bar? Funny you want it while lots of other people want what you have a non-transparent menu bar. I wouldn't be so upset its not all that great.

Steve Jobs=God
Oct 28, 2007, 08:27 AM
Loving the mosiac screensaver, having to show it to everyone though is getting annoying lol

Overall i have mixed feelings about leopard, on one hand there are certain aspects that i'm finding i like which before just from the keynote demos, the video guides etc i thought i wouldn't, the new finder being the prime example, however i'm still looking for something to hit me and just go wow, something to justify all the hype, admittedly i'm not using TM at the moment, so when i do maybe that'll do it for me, or maybe one of the updates will bring something new.

And then there are things i do like alot about it, the new dock, stacks, mail being the ones to come to mind, how many people can say they have trouble seeing which apps are open amazes me to be honest

http://gallery.mac.com/rwdesignpa/100080/Picture-201_6/web.jpg

If you have trouble seeing that, i would recommend seeing a eye specialist, it's bright enough, if anything i find it to bright.

Well thats my opinion, i'm enjoying Leopard, but i'm still waiting for that knockout punch to bowl me over

slackpacker
Oct 28, 2007, 08:32 AM
Loving the mosiac screensaver, having to show it to everyone though is getting annoying lol

Overall i have mixed feelings about leopard, on one hand there are certain aspects that i'm finding i like which before just from the keynote demos, the video guides etc i thought i wouldn't, the new finder being the prime example, however i'm still looking for something to hit me and just go wow, something to justify all the hype, admittedly i'm not using TM at the moment, so when i do maybe that'll do it for me, or maybe one of the updates will bring something new.

And then there are things i do like alot about it, the new dock, stacks, mail being the ones to come to mind, how many people can say they have trouble seeing which apps are open

http://gallery.mac.com/rwdesignpa/100080/Picture-201_6/web.jpg

If you have trouble seeing that, i would recommend seeing a eye specialist, it's bright enough, if anything i find it to bright.

Well thats my opinion, i'm enjoying Leopard, but i'm still waiting for that knockout punch to bowl me over


The Dock should have more options and the Open apps ARE harder to read than Tigers Dock. The Blue on gray with the reflection....is hard to see.

I'm running the clear option dock now and loving it

Wayfarer
Oct 28, 2007, 08:34 AM
Are you talking about the top menu bar? Funny you want it while lots of other people want what you have a non-transparent menu bar. I wouldn't be so upset its not all that great.

It's really all a matter of personal taste. I've liked it since it was introduced at WWDC and followed the development of it since. It was in love at first sight. I've seen many different screenshots, and I think it really works depending on what background you have. Right now, unfortunately I'm stuck with the flat opaque grey regardless of desktop background. Some people perfer it, others like me, don't.

I believe there's a thread about this:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=374851

I want my transparent menu bar. BAD. :(

Takeo
Oct 28, 2007, 09:04 AM
Mosaic doesn't really run at all on my iMac 1.8GHz G5. Insanely slow.

tribulation
Oct 28, 2007, 09:28 AM
Are you talking about the top menu bar? Funny you want it while lots of other people want what you have a non-transparent menu bar. I wouldn't be so upset its not all that great.

I would gladly give you mine if I could. I hate that thing. My eyes cannot stop getting distracted by it, the transparency makes it in actuality stick out like a very sore thumb. and thats not it a good way.

since Apple thankfully unified their app's window style, they are all dark now. so when you put one near the top of the screen it clashes very bad with the transparent menubar. it is not a good thing

Dagless
Oct 28, 2007, 09:35 AM
The Dock should have more options and the Open apps ARE harder to read than Tigers Dock. The Blue on gray with the reflection....is hard to see.

I'm running the clear option dock now and loving it

They are harder to see yea, especially on my PowerBook. The blue dot doesn't stand out as well. 2007WFP is okay, but it's bit more obvious on my iMacs display.

I WANT my transparent menu bar!!! I was really looking forward to this, but Apple seemed to disable this capability on "older" hardware. (including my not-so-old iMac G5) I don't understand why, as all the other graphical effects work fluidly on my mac. This is my biggest concern. Everything else in Leopard is perfect, by me.

Someone please tell me how to enable the transparent menubar or I will flip out. :mad:

Odd. My 12" PowerBook has the transparent menu.

MonkeyClaw
Oct 28, 2007, 09:42 AM
I WANT my transparent menu bar!!! I was really looking forward to this, but Apple seemed to disable this capability on "older" hardware. (including my not-so-old iMac G5) I don't understand why, as all the other graphical effects work fluidly on my mac. This is my biggest concern. Everything else in Leopard is perfect, by me.

Someone please tell me how to enable the transparent menubar or I will flip out. :mad:

Thats really weird cause I installed it on my PowerBook G4 and the menubar is transparent. Looks really good actually, I like the way it turned out... Maybe its just a bug, I wouldn't think that it would require that much horsepower to do...

paola105
Oct 28, 2007, 09:43 AM
All of this looks very cool. I just ordered Leopard! Hopefully I'm not gonna have installation issues.

avkills
Oct 28, 2007, 09:44 AM
I also have no transparent menu bar and I also get the weird screen flash when I maximize windows from the dock; or the dock disappears and then reappears.

G5, X800. I wonder if it has something to do with after market GPUs.

Although everything else seems to be working fine.

-mark

Fukui
Oct 28, 2007, 09:51 AM
Download Java 6 from where? Apple have not released it. In fact, they have pulled the DP versions.

( Sun do not make the OSX JDK because Apple wanted to instead )

I think you got that backwards...... ?

overcast
Oct 28, 2007, 09:55 AM
FRIG ME!

Mosaic is very awesome! Shame I don't use screensavers any more (just turn monitors off after 3 minutes).

But that is mightily impressive!

Heh, just realised Safari 3 does that IE style magnify feature. I can't stand that :o
The only thing screen "savers" are good for is wasting energy and using up your screens lifespan quicker. You're doing a good thing putting them in standby mode.

lepriapus
Oct 28, 2007, 10:00 AM
If it helps anyone, I have not had any problems with CS3 under Leopard.

tribulation
Oct 28, 2007, 10:01 AM
I also have no transparent menu bar and I also get the weird screen flash when I maximize windows from the dock; or the dock disappears and then reappears.

G5, X800. I wonder if it has something to do with after market GPUs.

Although everything else seems to be working fine.

-mark

No you aren't alone. there are MAJOR bugs in Leopard with the graphics using many aftermarket cards and builtin ones. I know the pros are going crazy because of lines all over everything especially with the x1900 radeon cards. if you look on apple's support site there are thousands of posts with similar problems. leopard was definitely pushed out the door far too quick and is unpolished unlike anything apple has ever released that i can remember. quite shocking really

scottrichardson
Oct 28, 2007, 10:03 AM
hey all,

found another new feature.. sorry if it has been reported already...

but try taking a screengrab using Apple-Shift-4 or Apple-Shift-Control-4

It now gives you the realtime pixel coordinates as you move around the screen, and once you click and drag to make a selection, it updates in real time with the pixel dimensions of your selection..

I for one love this new feature, as taking specifically sized screengrabs is a common task in my design job!

Nice one apple... nice little touch!

CJD2112
Oct 28, 2007, 10:13 AM
So what's the general consensus? Are people finding Leopard to be a disappointment? It seems from the comments and votes that a lot of people aren't satisfied. :(

Stella
Oct 28, 2007, 10:14 AM
I think you got that backwards...... ?

Backwards in what way?

Apple develop Java for OSX
Sun create Java on other platforms, i.e., Linux, windows, Solaris et al.

If you try and download Java for OSX from the Sun site, you'll get redirected to Apple.

cohibadad
Oct 28, 2007, 10:21 AM
So what's the general consensus? Are people finding Leopard to be a disappointment? It seems from the comments and votes that a lot of people aren't satisfied. :(

Can only speak for myself. Not disappointed at all. Love Leopard. A poll would give a better overall picture.

EDIT: oh. looks like there is a poll and not many disappointed.

megfilmworks
Oct 28, 2007, 10:28 AM
So what's the general consensus? Are people finding Leopard to be a disappointment? It seems from the comments and votes that a lot of people aren't satisfied. :(
Just the opposite:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=375645

autumnsong
Oct 28, 2007, 10:29 AM
I am loving Leopard. I actually really like both the menu bar and the new dock. I've always kept my dock on the left side, but now I've got it on the bottom. The mosaic screensaver is great. Sure, most of it is just eye candy, but it makes it more fun. Safari does seem slower to me though, and everyone else says theirs is faster. Not sure why I'm stuck in the slow lane. :rolleyes:

autumnsong
Oct 28, 2007, 10:48 AM
Has anyone else noticed that Leopard shows the trash in coverflow now? It's pretty cool. The whole trash interface is updated. It even has an "empty" button while the file is open. It seemed weird to me that Tiger didn't have that. One more thing to love about Leopard. :)

slackpacker
Oct 28, 2007, 10:48 AM
Just the opposite:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=375645

Nobody will ever be satisfied. I haven't been through any os release where there were NOT complainers and whiners.

I think Leopard is a great Upgrade and its underpinnings will start showing up more and more in new software releases.

iriejedi
Oct 28, 2007, 10:52 AM
My Inbox is FULL - ok not really, but check out the message count. All other mail boxes work/count normally.

I thought this was a fun bug to share.

slackpacker
Oct 28, 2007, 10:54 AM
My Inbox is FULL - ok not really, but check out the message count. All other mail boxes work/count normally.

I thought this was a fun bug to share.

MAILBOX>REBUILD

Not a Bug - its you man

Aeolius
Oct 28, 2007, 10:59 AM
Here's one I haven't seen, until I installed Leopard. In iChat, when someone on your buddy list is using AOL mobile, their status button turns gray and a WiFi symbol appears next to their name.

Am3822
Oct 28, 2007, 10:59 AM
Can someone compare how smoothly Leopard runs on a machine with 128M vram compared to a machine with 256M? (Is there a way to measure it -- some kind of benchmarking program, perhaps?)

(Please feel free to move this post to a suitable thread if necessary)

cornopaez
Oct 28, 2007, 11:02 AM
Is anyone having issues unmounting disk images? yesterday I had to reboot my MB just get rid of the Google Earth disk image after installing (By the way, it seems to work a lot smoother on 10.5)

ccrandall77
Oct 28, 2007, 11:15 AM
I've been waiting for Apple to fix this on the Apple TV only to find they screwed this up on Leopard!!! No longer will it divide your TV shows into seasons. It just lumps it all into one big frickin' list!!! I have several TV series loaded, like South Park, and instead of having 10 folders with each of the seasons separated, I have a big list of over 140 episodes. This is really stupid.

Other than that the only other issues I've had are:

1.) Yahoo! widgets no longer work.

2.) Sherlock is gone... I know it's been crippled for a while, but it was a nice app and I used it quite a bit.

Other than that it's pretty cool, but the Front Row thing is major for me since I have tons of TV shows loaded. And this is just a stupid UI decision.

bevo
Oct 28, 2007, 11:26 AM
Is anyone having issues unmounting disk images? yesterday I had to reboot my MB just get rid of the Google Earth disk image after installing (By the way, it seems to work a lot smoother on 10.5)

I've had similar issues. Reinstalled vmware and couldn't unmount the disk image without rebooting

MrCrowbar
Oct 28, 2007, 11:30 AM
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/474/resolutionindependencezv9.png

I found this new option on the bottom in Preview. When turned on, the image scales a little when I move the Preview window from my Macbook's screen over to my Dell (extended desktop). Since my external monitor has only 100 ppi (Macbook has 130), the picture in Preview appears to be smaller on the external monitor; But actually, it's the same size in terms of inches (or centimeters).

slim31
Oct 28, 2007, 11:41 AM
ccrandall77

I've been waiting for Apple to fix this on the Apple TV only to find they screwed this up on Leopard!!! No longer will it divide your TV shows into seasons. It just lumps it all into one big frickin' list!!!

With iTunes v7.4.2 (4) - could work with older versions

The whole thing for TV shows is hinged on the Show name and no need to set as compilation.

For example "24 - Season 1" and "24 - Season 2" as the show name will separate these episodes for you if the list is sorted by "Show".

Hope that helps.

tribulation
Oct 28, 2007, 11:57 AM
Nobody will ever be satisfied. I haven't been through any os release where there were NOT complainers and whiners.

I think Leopard is a great Upgrade and its underpinnings will start showing up more and more in new software releases.

I am definitely disappointed with it. Very disappointed.
Not whining, there are just so many things wrong with it. changes are one thing, many of which i don't like at all like Stacks, which are very badly implemented. Bugs and lack of testing is another thing. leopard is very buggy.
there are hundreds if not thousands of complaints of the graphics errors that i am having as well. the graphics system in leopard is very flawed.

maybe they will have an update ready this week. i hope they do because otherwise this is the first time i will be downgrading my Mac OS :(
i have never felt the need before. but leopard is poorly done and obviously rushed out the door unfinished. even tiny things like when you minimize a quicktime movie into the dock ------ IT DOESN'T play anymore. things like that are littered all over leopard. i remember at a macworld keynote when steve jobs was showing off the quicktime movie playing in the dock and how cool that was. why ---- WHY would they just remove a feature like that??
and no that isnt a major feature but like i said before, there are tons of things like that that are just deleted from leopard. and the visual things they did add are counterproductive for the most part for the majority of Mac users. it isnt just change, it is a BAD change

alansky
Oct 28, 2007, 11:58 AM
Looking at the software compatibility lists - I'm going to have to wait a while before moving to Leopard. I rely on too many of those "problem" apps for work. CS3 updates won't be out until January...

You may have been misinformed. Check out this article:
http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/10/26/adobelopard/index.php?lsrc=mwrss

According to MacWorld, most Adobe CS3 apps are already compatible with Leopard and require no update. The following Adobe apps do need to be updated: Adobe Acrobat 8 Professional, Adobe Reader 8, Adobe Premiere Pro CS3, After Effects CS3 Professional, Encore CS3 and Soundbooth CS3.

F0l3ert
Oct 28, 2007, 12:03 PM
My Logitech MX5000 Bluetooth Keyboard finally works under OS X.

meagain
Oct 28, 2007, 12:06 PM
Yes, Quicktime movie stops when put in the dock. Darn. Not a life-changer for me and I anticipate this will change.

plaine300
Oct 28, 2007, 12:07 PM
I was already completely impressed with all of the previous OS X releases. So its hard to go up from there.

This upgrade is basically for Apple zealots who think that anything Apple does is perfect and for new soccer mom types who have switched from Windows over the past 2 years. For those of us who use these professionally, not much to offer. Speed seems to be slower on both of my machines and all of the new features are mere eye candy, rather than offering new functionality that will assist in my workflow. However, its an 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it' type situation, because I was happy with the past versions and saw no major flaws.

I'm disappointed with the speed, I had issues installing and in general this OS gets away from Apple's focus on superb usability with less extra junk cluttering your drive, so I'm giving it a 4 out of 10 in the poll on the other tread. I've had applications crash (Safari/Mail regularly). Spaces is great, but that's about all it has to offer. Apple seems to be focused on eye candy, which is sad because usability has suffered.

Darkroom
Oct 28, 2007, 12:11 PM
Loving the mosiac screensaver, having to show it to everyone though is getting annoying lol

Overall i have mixed feelings about leopard, on one hand there are certain aspects that i'm finding i like which before just from the keynote demos, the video guides etc i thought i wouldn't, the new finder being the prime example, however i'm still looking for something to hit me and just go wow, something to justify all the hype, admittedly i'm not using TM at the moment, so when i do maybe that'll do it for me, or maybe one of the updates will bring something new.

And then there are things i do like alot about it, the new dock, stacks, mail being the ones to come to mind, how many people can say they have trouble seeing which apps are open amazes me to be honest

http://gallery.mac.com/rwdesignpa/100080/Picture-201_6/web.jpg

If you have trouble seeing that, i would recommend seeing a eye specialist, it's bright enough, if anything i find it to bright.

Well thats my opinion, i'm enjoying Leopard, but i'm still waiting for that knockout punch to bowl me over

did you change your Mail icon? mine is still the same one from 10.4... just wondering if you changed yours (which is think is much cooler than mine) or if that is the actual 10.5 Mail icon that for some reason didn't get installed on my mac.

tribulation
Oct 28, 2007, 12:12 PM
Yes, Quicktime movie stops when put in the dock. Darn. Not a life-changer for me and I anticipate this will change.

i thought i already addressed any need for a reply on this, as i gave that example only as a single example of the hundreds of bugs and pulled-features that are in Leopard. no, that feature alone is not life threatening. but when you take a truckload of small features like that, add in a bunch of instability and obviously slack on testing on the relatively small range of products Apple has to be compatible with ----- that is not a good 'upgrade'.

applesith
Oct 28, 2007, 12:14 PM
I have noticed that when i do a screen shot, my mac freezes a bit. Anyone else experience this?

meagain
Oct 28, 2007, 12:19 PM
i thought i already addressed any need for a reply on this, as i gave that example only as a single example of the hundreds of bugs and pulled-features that are in Leopard.

I was just lamenting on it. I didn't know it didn't work till you posted. It surprised me.

tribulation
Oct 28, 2007, 12:25 PM
I was just lamenting on it. I didn't know it didn't work till you posted. It surprised me.

:)
ya surprised me too. i hate to just keep saying the same thing but it seems like when i poke around in leopard, those little things seem to popup all over the place. lots of missing or dysfunctional little things keep adding up to an increasing number of big things

.........in addition to all of the already big things that they seemed to mess up like the major graphics problems and so on

ccrandall77
Oct 28, 2007, 12:46 PM
ccrandall77



With iTunes v7.4.2 (4) - could work with older versions

The whole thing for TV shows is hinged on the Show name and no need to set as compilation.

For example "24 - Season 1" and "24 - Season 2" as the show name will separate these episodes for you if the list is sorted by "Show".

Hope that helps.

Ya, that should work. It's not the solution I really want since it'll be a pain in the rear to go into iTunes and change everything, but I think what you propose is a good work around. Thanks!

CJD2112
Oct 28, 2007, 12:46 PM
Just the opposite:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=375645

Hmmm, then I wonder why there are more negative votes on this thread. Oh well, I'm happy, and looking forward to seeing if they release those axed features in future updates.

damienvfx
Oct 28, 2007, 12:49 PM
Perhaps it did this before, and I just never noticed. iCal shows a a line for the current time of day. Handy to see if something is coming up!

PS - Is anyone else having trouble distinguishing their finder windows in Coverflow and iTunes? I keep getting frustrated when iTunes doesn't show what's on my desktop :)

ccrandall77
Oct 28, 2007, 12:50 PM
http://gallery.mac.com/rwdesignpa/100080/Picture-201_6/web.jpg

If you have trouble seeing that, i would recommend seeing a eye specialist, it's bright enough, if anything i find it to bright.


That's because you have a dark background. Try that dock if you have a bright window or screen background reflecting on the dock. It's really not so easy to see then.

AndyR
Oct 28, 2007, 01:10 PM
Don't think my upgrade has gone as smoothly as I thought. Although the upgrade itself went fine, today I've noticed that its not as snappy as I thought, in fact it seems a little sluggish.

I just rebooted and firefox took 14 bounces to come up?? When I go into coverflow view in finder its takes a while for all documents to get a thumbnail, slow enough that I've found the document I want long before its done the thumbnail.

Guess my only option is to erase the lot and start again :(

tomd89
Oct 28, 2007, 01:12 PM
Loving the mosiac screensaver, having to show it to everyone though is getting annoying lol

Overall i have mixed feelings about leopard, on one hand there are certain aspects that i'm finding i like which before just from the keynote demos, the video guides etc i thought i wouldn't, the new finder being the prime example, however i'm still looking for something to hit me and just go wow, something to justify all the hype, admittedly i'm not using TM at the moment, so when i do maybe that'll do it for me, or maybe one of the updates will bring something new.

And then there are things i do like alot about it, the new dock, stacks, mail being the ones to come to mind, how many people can say they have trouble seeing which apps are open amazes me to be honest

http://gallery.mac.com/rwdesignpa/100080/Picture-201_6/web.jpg

If you have trouble seeing that, i would recommend seeing a eye specialist, it's bright enough, if anything i find it to bright.

Well thats my opinion, i'm enjoying Leopard, but i'm still waiting for that knockout punch to bowl me over

Has the mail icon changed in leopard?

damienvfx
Oct 28, 2007, 01:17 PM
Has the mail icon changed in leopard?

no. It must be an option this user has.

As a side note, Firefox is still better than Safari 3. I really wanted tabbed browsing without using any hot keys. Oh well, there is always Safari 4 to look forward to...

tattooedpierre
Oct 28, 2007, 01:30 PM
I don't know if this is noteworthy, but I've found that I can now open Quartz Composition files directly in the Safari browser window.

So, for example, goto www.quartzcompositions.com and click on of the compositions and it'll show the (usually screensaver) effects in the browser window itself. You can then right-click to save the composition.

koobcamuk
Oct 28, 2007, 01:44 PM
I don't know if this is noteworthy, but I've found that I can now open Quartz Composition files directly in the Safari browser window.

So, for example, goto www.quartzcompositions.com and click on of the compositions and it'll show the (usually screensaver) effects in the browser window itself. You can then right-click to save the composition.

I don't entirely understand what you're getting at here - but if you explain more, I would love to try :)

Darkroom
Oct 28, 2007, 02:03 PM
Perhaps it did this before, and I just never noticed. iCal shows a a line for the current time of day. Handy to see if something is coming up!

PS - Is anyone else having trouble distinguishing their finder windows in Coverflow and iTunes? I keep getting frustrated when iTunes doesn't show what's on my desktop :)

i maybe alone on this one, but i find coverflow in finder completely counterproductive... it looks cool (if the icon has full res, which a lot are lacking), but it's much slower than actually seeing your file immediately from the list...

slackpacker
Oct 28, 2007, 02:05 PM
i maybe alone on this one, but i find coverflow in finder completely counterproductive... it looks cool (if the icon has full res, which a lot are lacking), but it's much slower than actually seeing your file immediately from the list...

For you it is .... its just another way to look at files.... just don't use it if you don't like it. Use the list... no complaints

ataq
Oct 28, 2007, 02:13 PM
quicktime can now autozoom with the on screen controls in fullscreen mode.


open a 4:3 movie in quicktime and stretch it clicking on panorama. it strechtes the video very nice.. dont know how to explain it in english, just check it out yourself!

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9696/quicktimeplayerschnappsyd0.jpg

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6828/quicktimeplayerschnappspm7.jpg

twoodcc
Oct 28, 2007, 02:25 PM
cool stuff :)

gotta try out that new screensaver i guess

tribulation
Oct 28, 2007, 02:27 PM
I am guessing you installed leopard and are having a fine time with it then? have you noticed any of these bugs? what about random missing small features, just small ones like the movie playing in the dock sort of thing; or how the view options don't keep their settings consistently on a per-window basis [this is confirmed on the Apple support forums]? how about the graphics bugs that put lines all over the screen [also confirmed by many others on the Apple support forums, not just me] and is pretty severe. while not a bug, the stacks look pretty bad in the dock depending on what is inside of the folder/stack ----- most of the time they end up looking all jumbled up with icons overlapping in a not-so-good-way; also the hierarchal menus in the dock for folders is a huge blunder as far as i am concerned [again as are others as posted all over the net and apple's support forum]; and the menubar looks like it's permanently disabled, like a button would have been in previous OS X versions when a window wasn't in the foreground, it doesnt appeal to me at all, nor does the 3d dock. another dock 'what the?' is when you have it positioned on the left or right of the screen, and Stacks can't be viewed in the 'fan' style, only the grid ----- the fan format could have still worked but for some reason it just isn't an option.

MORE?
in the finder, you cant hide just the toolbar or just the sidebar. they go hand in hand, in tiger you could hide them separately. i dont use the sidebar because it takes up way too much window space, so I could slide it over all the way to the left in Tiger; NOT in leopard. you can only resize it down a bit but it is still there. The only way to hide it is by choosing 'hide toolbar' which obviously then hides the toolbar and the sidebar. but wait, i want the toolbar. it has nothing to do with the sidebar but for unknown reasons in leopard it is tied to the visibility option of both. for one that makes no sense; and it sucks and should have 2 separate options to hide them......................

smart folders, at least on my install are very limited and lack the other searchable attributes that were available even in Tiger. if you make one and try to add an attribute to search by and choose 'other', there is nothing there. that list was full in tiger..............

my 2 year old firewire drive has worked perfectly up until the 1st time i mounted it in leopard. i was copying a few files to it and the OS crashed [only had that happen probably 5 times the whole time i used Tiger]. but no kernel panic screen was shown, it just froze ---- btw does anyone know if there is even a kernel panic screen in leopard? because it just froze, after 10 minutes of sitting there hoping i did a hard restart. then, my FW drive would not mount. Disk Utility could not fix it and would only offer to reinitialize it! luckily I had DiskWarrior installed and it fixed it [the directory was all messed up, another gripe that Apple's Disk Utility can't do this common repair after all these years] --- once again, look on the apple forum and you'll find tons of similar reports of people who had their drives screwed up, with no option except to reformat it.

don't get me too wrong. Leopard does have some good things about it. but for the 1st time in my personal macintosh history, i feel that they released it to the public way way too far ahead of schedule to meet their deadline and think it has had some major consequences on the quality and polished expectations that apple is known for. And this is all from a newly erased, clean install of leopard.

there is really no way to refute the point that apple was behind schedule and didn't allow time to finish up as planned or adequately test Leopard because months ago, jobs showed off things like the customizable Stacks that didn't even come close to making it into the retail version. maybe the 'iphone taking resources away from OS X' was real enough to have actually caused this, i don't know. what i do know is that if it was even quickly tested on a mac pro with a radeon x1900 card, which is a very common configuration for pro users, the graphic glitches would have definitely been discovered as they are very noticeable and reproducible and widely reported. even apple phone support is now saying that they know of the problem and are working on it. that was just flat out irresponsible to release the OS with such glaring problems such as these when apple obviously knew that they existed.

i could go on for pages but i won't, because nobody will read it anyways :o

i posted this to warn people that have not installed it yet to wait at least a couple weeks to see if apple fixes some of this mess. worst case, you might have big hard drive problems and data loss. best case, maybe you like it and get lucky

EricNau
Oct 28, 2007, 02:32 PM
For anyone who may be having a problem deleting your AOL mail from Mail.app in Leopard, like those of us in this thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=375513), here's the solution:

Go to Mail.app > Preferences > Accounts > Mailbox behaviors, and uncheck "Move deleted messages to the Trash mailbox."

Link (http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=5656947)

irun5k
Oct 28, 2007, 02:39 PM
That's because you have a dark background. Try that dock if you have a bright window or screen background reflecting on the dock. It's really not so easy to see then.

Thanks, I was going to say the same exact thing. I'm running with one of the slate gray abstract Apple backgrounds. My 13" Macbook screen obviously isn't huge. And the Macbook screen (unfortunately!) is completely glossy. So the dock doesn't need to be reflective, since we all already get a nice big reflection from the glossy screens that are pretty much standard now.

So after everything I mentioned above, you really can't see the little tiny blue light at all.

I guess what some peeps aren't understanding is that most of us would love to love Leopard. But we're not going to say we love it when in reality we know there are parts of it that make OS X more difficult for us to use on a daily basis.

jabbiati
Oct 28, 2007, 02:45 PM
i did the Login and Keychain update on my PowerBook G4 and lost my airPort. By "lost" I mean that when I click on the AirPort icon in the menu bar, I just get a message saying that there is no wireless device installed.

I put the Leopard DVD back in and reinstalled 10.5. This put things back into working order. I guess I shouldn't do the update again.

Anyone know what happened and where my big mistake was?

Thanks.

Joe

Steve Jobs=God
Oct 28, 2007, 02:47 PM
did you change your Mail icon? mine is still the same one from 10.4... just wondering if you changed yours (which is think is much cooler than mine) or if that is the actual 10.5 Mail icon that for some reason didn't get installed on my mac.

Yeah i changed it, the standard mail icon is probably the worst icon on the entire OS imo

And before i took the screen capture the image my dock came from, i had a bright wallpaper, could still see the little lights perfectly fine

shomama
Oct 28, 2007, 03:09 PM
by the way, i'm loving photobooth...it does video now!! finally. it also does this four shot photo thing, kinda cool, kinda cheesy.

Eric Lewis
Oct 28, 2007, 03:20 PM
by the way, i'm loving photobooth...it does video now!! finally. it also does this four shot photo thing, kinda cool, kinda cheesy.

Yeah i changed it, the standard mail icon is probably the worst icon on the entire OS imo

And before i took the screen capture the image my dock came from, i had a bright wallpaper, could still see the little lights perfectly fine

i did the Login and Keychain update on my PowerBook G4 and lost my airPort. By "lost" I mean that when I click on the AirPort icon in the menu bar, I just get a message saying that there is no wireless device installed.

I put the Leopard DVD back in and reinstalled 10.5. This put things back into working order. I guess I shouldn't do the update again.

Anyone know what happened and where my big mistake was?

Thanks.

Joe

Thanks, I was going to say the same exact thing. I'm running with one of the slate gray abstract Apple backgrounds. My 13" Macbook screen obviously isn't huge. And the Macbook screen (unfortunately!) is completely glossy. So the dock doesn't need to be reflective, since we all already get a nice big reflection from the glossy screens that are pretty much standard now.

So after everything I mentioned above, you really can't see the little tiny blue light at all.

I guess what some peeps aren't understanding is that most of us would love to love Leopard. But we're not going to say we love it when in reality we know there are parts of it that make OS X more difficult for us to use on a daily basis.

For anyone who may be having a problem deleting your AOL mail from Mail.app in Leopard, like those of us in this thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=375513), here's the solution:

Go to Mail.app > Preferences > Accounts > Mailbox behaviors, and uncheck "Move deleted messages to the Trash mailbox."

Link (http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=5656947)

LOL I wish :D
I am guessing you installed leopard and are having a fine time with it then? have you noticed any of these bugs? what about random missing small features, just small ones like the movie playing in the dock sort of thing; or how the view options don't keep their settings consistently on a per-window basis [this is confirmed on the Apple support forums]? how about the graphics bugs that put lines all over the screen [also confirmed by many others on the Apple support forums, not just me] and is pretty severe. while not a bug, the stacks look pretty bad in the dock depending on what is inside of the folder/stack ----- most of the time they end up looking all jumbled up with icons overlapping in a not-so-good-way; also the hierarchal menus in the dock for folders is a huge blunder as far as i am concerned [again as are others as posted all over the net and apple's support forum]; and the menubar looks like it's permanently disabled, like a button would have been in previous OS X versions when a window wasn't in the foreground, it doesnt appeal to me at all, nor does the 3d dock. another dock 'what the?' is when you have it positioned on the left or right of the screen, and Stacks can't be viewed in the 'fan' style, only the grid ----- the fan format could have still worked but for some reason it just isn't an option.

MORE?
in the finder, you cant hide just the toolbar or just the sidebar. they go hand in hand, in tiger you could hide them separately. i dont use the sidebar because it takes up way too much window space, so I could slide it over all the way to the left in Tiger; NOT in leopard. you can only resize it down a bit but it is still there. The only way to hide it is by choosing 'hide toolbar' which obviously then hides the toolbar and the sidebar. but wait, i want the toolbar. it has nothing to do with the sidebar but for unknown reasons in leopard it is tied to the visibility option of both. for one that makes no sense; and it sucks and should have 2 separate options to hide them......................

smart folders, at least on my install are very limited and lack the other searchable attributes that were available even in Tiger. if you make one and try to add an attribute to search by and choose 'other', there is nothing there. that list was full in tiger..............

my 2 year old firewire drive has worked perfectly up until the 1st time i mounted it in leopard. i was copying a few files to it and the OS crashed [only had that happen probably 5 times the whole time i used Tiger]. but no kernel panic screen was shown, it just froze ---- btw does anyone know if there is even a kernel panic screen in leopard? because it just froze, after 10 minutes of sitting there hoping i did a hard restart. then, my FW drive would not mount. Disk Utility could not fix it and would only offer to reinitialize it! luckily I had DiskWarrior installed and it fixed it [the directory was all messed up, another gripe that Apple's Disk Utility can't do this common repair after all these years] --- once again, look on the apple forum and you'll find tons of similar reports of people who had their drives screwed up, with no option except to reformat it.

don't get me too wrong. Leopard does have some good things about it. but for the 1st time in my personal macintosh history, i feel that they released it to the public way way too far ahead of schedule to meet their deadline and think it has had some major consequences on the quality and polished expectations that apple is known for. And this is all from a newly erased, clean install of leopard.

there is really no way to refute the point that apple was behind schedule and didn't allow time to finish up as planned or adequately test Leopard because months ago, jobs showed off things like the customizable Stacks that didn't even come close to making it into the retail version. maybe the 'iphone taking resources away from OS X' was real enough to have actually caused this, i don't know. what i do know is that if it was even quickly tested on a mac pro with a radeon x1900 card, which is a very common configuration for pro users, the graphic glitches would have definitely been discovered as they are very noticeable and reproducible and widely reported. even apple phone support is now saying that they know of the problem and are working on it. that was just flat out irresponsible to release the OS with such glaring problems such as these when apple obviously knew that they existed.

i could go on for pages but i won't, because nobody will read it anyways :o

i posted this to warn people that have not installed it yet to wait at least a couple weeks to see if apple fixes some of this mess. worst case, you might have big hard drive problems and data loss. best case, maybe you like it and get lucky


everything will work great after the first major 10.5.1

jaw04005
Oct 28, 2007, 04:01 PM
I am guessing you installed leopard and are having a fine time with it then? have you noticed any of these bugs?

I'm experiencing many of the same issues you touched on. However, I have hope that Apple will fix the bulk of our complaints with 10.5.1.

Be sure to file bugs using the feedback form, so Apple will know exactly which hardware these issues are occurring on.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html/

slackpacker
Oct 28, 2007, 04:04 PM
LOL I wish :D
I am guessing you installed leopard and are having a fine time with it then?

Yes I am.

After having an issue with 3rd party software not working right (SuperDuper) I have had NO problems. Leopard imported all my info after a clean install and its smooth as silk.. I was back up and running in less than an hour if I just trusted it to begin with.

My drives all worked better than they did with 10.4.

I agree that Apple could have done more... not having options to turn off the butt ugly 3D Launch bar. Not Working with the Quicksilver developer who was hired by Google. I could go on but I won't.

But the facts are they did not and we got a great update to tour OS that for me works great and is faster... better and more feature rich than the last update.

I hope you get your issues fixed.... Just try a clean install onto a new drive then do a migration of all your data using the tool. Worked great for me.

ksolano
Oct 28, 2007, 04:06 PM
dont have my copy yet here in the UK & i wanna see this Mosaic NOW!!
someone put up a youtube vid plz.. Cheers

currentinterest
Oct 28, 2007, 04:16 PM
I've been using Leopard since Friday and have not had a single problem. It is faster and more fun than Tiger. My old drives work, my new drives work, my mail is much better and faster as well.

matttrick
Oct 28, 2007, 04:23 PM
i honestly dont see one single must have feature that makes me want to upgrade my MBP to leopard. i mean, its got some.... nifty things. but nothing i need, or want badly enough to shell out. from trying it at the apple store, the closest thing i can liken it to is an expansion pack to a video game.

slackpacker
Oct 28, 2007, 04:28 PM
Life of a sometimes windows user]

This is what I just had to do to run a new game - Crysis on my Vista PC.

#1. Download new awesome game demo

#2. Install beta Graphics Driver that is hidden away by Nvidia... go through validation.... Accept that its a beta driver that I'm installing

REBOOT

#3 Install game... at the end of which it say I need a Patch from Microsoft for
Vista... (why for the hell of it all is it not there already) I have D/L a validation program in order to get the update... copy the Validation number and then it gives me the Blessing that I can d/l the all coveted driver.

REBOOT

All just to install one program.... its the same every time...with windows. You guys think you have it so bad just give windows vista a try its FRUSTRATION all packed up in a shiny box.

koobcamuk
Oct 28, 2007, 04:30 PM
Safari isn't letting me see www.apple.com/jp - it says I am not connected to the internet!

EricNau
Oct 28, 2007, 04:34 PM
I'm not liking the new dictionary widget for two reasons:

First of all, now it takes two clicks to switch between dictionary and thesaurus, and secondly, I can no longer right-click in the text field to correct my spelling.

tribulation
Oct 28, 2007, 04:39 PM
Safari isn't letting me see www.apple.com/jp - it says I am not connected to the internet!

i have no idea why but ever since i installed leopard, i cant use wikipedia. i was even using the safari 3 beta in tiger before and it was fine. my connection hasn't changed and i havent had this problem ever before. but when i do a search on wikipedia or through the new dictionary using wikipedia, it says my connection is banned or unverified; says it can't verify my user agent. happens in firefox too.

heck i never even edit anything on wikipedia. i barely ever use it. no way i would be banned for doing something bad or something of the like. i thought it was my dsl provider, but now that you posted this i am thinking twice and wondering if there is more to it.

has anyone else had strange problems being blocked from any sites or weird internet problems? maybe it is just a coincidence. dont know

3D-Troll
Oct 28, 2007, 04:47 PM
I was trying out some stuff with python and ran into some strange results:

>>> .01 * 3
0.029999999999999999
>>> .07 * 3
0.21000000000000002
>>> .007 * 3
0.021000000000000001
>>> .7 * 3
2.0999999999999996

Don't know where this is coming from.

Steffen

HLdan
Oct 28, 2007, 04:48 PM
I'm not liking the new dictionary widget for two reasons:

First of all, now it takes two clicks to switch between dictionary and thesaurus, and secondly, I can no longer right-click in the text field to correct my spelling.

Lol, is that the only problem you are having with Leopard? Takes so little for some people.:rolleyes:

koobcamuk
Oct 28, 2007, 04:50 PM
i have no idea why but ever since i installed leopard, i cant use wikipedia. i was even using the safari 3 beta in tiger before and it was fine. my connection hasn't changed and i havent had this problem ever before. but when i do a search on wikipedia or through the new dictionary using wikipedia, it says my connection is banned or unverified; says it can't verify my user agent. happens in firefox too.

heck i never even edit anything on wikipedia. i barely ever use it. no way i would be banned for doing something bad or something of the like. i thought it was my dsl provider, but now that you posted this i am thinking twice and wondering if there is more to it.

has anyone else had strange problems being blocked from any sites or weird internet problems? maybe it is just a coincidence. dont know

I think there's more to it. I do not think on any level that you have been banned from Wikipedia if you say that you've never edited anything on there.

It seems like some sites are doing something to the safari webkit? I know some sites have always been flakey, even with Safari 2, but I didn't try the beta of 3 on this very premise.

Let's see what other reports come up, as people often take a few days to visit the sites they use. I might dig up some others - for example, the reason I wanted to go to the Japanese Apple site was prompted by another user saying that his iPhone is named in Japanese and iTunes had problems with that this time around. I changed the name of mine successfully mind you.

tribulation
Oct 28, 2007, 04:56 PM
I think there's more to it. I do not think on any level that you have been banned from Wikipedia if you say that you've never edited anything on there.

most likely so. it is weird since the main wikipedia loads fine. but when i search for anything, that page comes up complaining about the user agent. which is why i tried firefox with no luck either. even with the safari debug menu showing and going through all of the user agents that safari can fake, nothing works.

i think it must be a coincidence. the only reason i said it was because you posted that question and thought it might be related. and with all of my problems so far with leopard, i thought maybe just another thing to put on the list
i will post later if it fixes itself. btw i can go to the japanese apple site that you couldn't, it loads fine here

koobcamuk
Oct 28, 2007, 05:09 PM
btw i can go to the japanese apple site that you couldn't, it loads fine here

Mine loads too now. No idea what that was. Safari wouldn't have it - only firefox/opera/shiira would. Interesting.

Oh well - it's all fun and games. If we wanted to be 100% safe we would have waited until about Christmas time to upgrade.

Steve Jobs=God
Oct 28, 2007, 05:32 PM
Just posted a video of the mosaic screensaver on youtube, once it's been processed i'll post the link

And here it is

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eTdj8IBtV8M

SiliconAddict
Oct 28, 2007, 05:58 PM
My only answer ...

Are you High?

There are definitely issues with Leopard.

http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=89205&stc=1&d=1193611996

And my WIFI is as secure as you can get. IP limited range, MAC filtering, WPA2-PSK, and monthly key rotations in the 20 character range. That and if someone hacked my router at 3 in the morning with 5 open wireless networks around me they have no life.
No something funky is going on.

Magnum318
Oct 28, 2007, 05:58 PM
Hay all, usually a lurker but I need some help

Got a Macbook with maxed out ram just installed 10.5

I used to hook up my macbook to my LCD tv through HDMI and watch videos and listen to music though FrontRow in Tiger...now after Ive updated, frontrow only plays the sound but doesnt show the video. Show everything else but the video, anyone have similar problems or any help??

Thanks all

Ok, I figured it out...I turned off Mirroring and took the little white bar and made my TV the main monitor...works now....

DaBrain
Oct 28, 2007, 06:02 PM
REBOOT

All just to install one program.... its the same every time...with windows. You guys think you have it so bad just give windows vista a try its FRUSTRATION all packed up in a shiny box.[/QUOTE]

That's what's called Windows Genuine Advantage!

However, I somehow can't see the advantage, which is why I left wondows almost 2 years ago and never looked back!--))) (That's after 20 years of being a windows/dos user, PITA registery issues and the list goes on and on and on!!!!) :eek:

Pallish
Oct 28, 2007, 06:12 PM
lol watch it on fast with 100 lines for like 3 minutes then look at your desktop. Looks like it's coming out at you.. lol trippy

Hahaha! That is a really freaky feeling! I'm feelin' extremely dizzy!

HLdan
Oct 28, 2007, 06:15 PM
Just posted a video of the mosaic screensaver on youtube, once it's been processed i'll post the link

And here it is

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=eTdj8IBtV8M

Wow that's awesome. I can't wait until my Leopard delivers this week. :)

koobcamuk
Oct 28, 2007, 06:22 PM
There are defiantly issues with Leopard.

http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=89205&stc=1&d=1193611996

And my WIFI is as secure as you can get. IP limited range, MAC filtering, WPA2-PSK, and monthly key rotations in the 20 character range. That and if someone hacked my router at 3 in the morning with 5 open wireless networks around me they have no life.
No something funky is going on.

My BT home network (homhub, unchanged SSID, unchanged WEP) works just fine. I didn't even have to put the password back in. Bit lucky there I guess. I prefer the wired connection when I am connected to my ACD though.

chubad
Oct 28, 2007, 06:30 PM
Leopard is certainly a first release. I installed on three machine different problem on all three including the one that I did a complete erase and install.
I have no alerts or system sounds. Zero. I checked and all of the alert folders in the library are totally empty. Weird.
On the macbook it deleted the Keychain. Gone. Poof. Had to start over and build a new one.
Those of you with iSubs for a speaker can put them on E-bay. Not recognized. Sorry. Stacks are just plain poorly done. I would rather have the option to go to a simple list view. The transparent menu bar doesn't bother me as I use a dark gray solid color desktop. If I did not it would bug me to no end. What is the purpose of it being transparent? At least make some of this goofy stuff an option. It can't be that hard.
Oddly before the release I thought I would like the 3-D dock. After using it however I would go back to the Tiger Dock in a flash. It provided more room for the icons and it was much easier to see what apps are open. The blue glow just is too subtle.

On the good side Aperture and other graphic heavy apps run noticeably faster. Quicklook is awesome. Safari has yet to crash.

I really hope 10.5.1 comes out real soon.:(

PCMacUser
Oct 28, 2007, 06:37 PM
Mine loads too now. No idea what that was. Safari wouldn't have it - only firefox/opera/shiira would. Interesting.

Oh well - it's all fun and games. If we wanted to be 100% safe we would have waited until about Christmas time to upgrade.

Yep, I was at an Apple Leopard training session this morning, and my demo Macbook was getting the 'you're not connected to the Internet' error on occasion too. It's like some kind of timeout setting in the background. The world's fastest web browser is also the world's most impatient web browser, apparently.

It was also interesting to see during the demonstration, how there are a lot of minor bugs in the OS that need some fixing. The poor demonstrator's computer wouldn't do quite a few of the things he was trying to show off.

Another interesting point that came out of the session, was the fact that Time Machine is not a guaranteed backup method. You still need hard copies. The demonstrator's external TM backup drive died... therefore, no backups. It was also quite clear that you need a dedicated drive for Time Machine, since it requires the HFS+ filing system and will eventually consume all available space on the drive (you could partition, of course). Which is a good reason to not run Time Machine on a network server. They specifically pointed out that this is not the intended use for TM.

Possibly the best feature I saw in Leopard this morning was the new Parental Control features, to create guest accounts and limit website browsing. It also tracks visited and blocked websites. Very cool.

SiliconAddict
Oct 28, 2007, 06:43 PM
REBOOT

All just to install one program.... its the same every time...with windows. You guys think you have it so bad just give windows vista a try its FRUSTRATION all packed up in a shiny box.


That's what's called Windows Genuine Advantage!

However, I somehow can't see the advantage, which is why I left wondows almost 2 years ago and never looked back!--))) (That's after 20 years of being a windows/dos user, PITA registery issues and the list goes on and on and on!!!!) :eek:

No problems with Vista here. But then again I know how to configure and tweak Windows to make it my *coughs* yah. I seem to find 80% of the people who bitch about Windows do not know how to use it to begin with. First rule of Windows. Disable the services you aren't using. Apple learned this long ago. MS? Not so much. In terms of user intervention to really USE the OS it goes Linux Windows OS X. Where in Linux you still need to know the command line to get things done (Its gotten better though.), windows you need to know where they hide features like the group policy editor, or the service manager. And OS X? Well it has its fair share of hidden management features however by and large to USE OS X its ready out of the box which is why I prefer OS X over Windows. I cam make Windows my *coughs* but the time involved. Bah. Whatever. I'd rather be spending that time doing things.

koobcamuk
Oct 28, 2007, 06:43 PM
Leopard is certainly a first release. I installed on three machine different problem on all three including the one that I did a complete erase and install.
I have no alerts or system sounds. Zero. I checked and all of the alert folders in the library are totally empty. Weird.
On the macbook it deleted the Keychain. Gone. Poof. Had to start over and build a new one.
Those of you with iSubs for a speaker can put them on E-bay. Not recognized. Sorry. Stacks are just plain poorly done. I would rather have the option to go to a simple list view. The transparent menu bar doesn't bother me as I use a dark gray solid color desktop. If I did not it would bug me to no end. What is the purpose of it being transparent? At least make some of this goofy stuff an option. It can't be that hard.
Oddly before the release I thought I would like the 3-D dock. After using it however I would go back to the Tiger Dock in a flash. It provided more room for the icons and it was much easier to see what apps are open. The blue glow just is too subtle.

On the good side Aperture and other graphic heavy apps run noticeably faster. Quicklook is awesome. Safari has yet to crash.

I really hope 10.5.1 comes out real soon.:(

Sorry to hear about all your problems. I won't ask if you bought separate licenses for all those macs ;)

Anyway, I think the dock is the same size and it's just perception. All your other comments are valid - although I disagree. Stacks are excellent. Spaces make my MacBook feel 4 (or 16???) times bigger. Safari is snappier. It's what I wanted :)

mspman
Oct 28, 2007, 07:47 PM
The two big things I noticed so far is that Leopard broke my Juniper VPN into work, so I can't dial in anymore from OS X (can through Paralells), AND the Fire IM app won't work either.

I'm holding off on putting it on my Mac Pro until some of these kinks are worked out.

Renko31
Oct 28, 2007, 07:50 PM
Hi Got my copy of Leopard yesterday and installed it on an external HD. Running nicely on both my iMac G5 (20" 2.1 GHz 1.5GB) and my Mac mini (G4 1.42 512MB).

One nice feature that I find useful (and may have been in previous version of the OS, but isn't in Tiger) is paths in the title bar of a window when you right mouse click. Works in the finder and in Safari.

princigalli
Oct 28, 2007, 07:58 PM
Leopard is soooooo slow, and not just on my computers. I went to the store and played with an Imac with Leopard, but launching programs could still take up to 10 seconds. So nothing has changed on that front and it actually looks like there are many more problems, since Apple has taken a habit of distributing alpha-beta software and label it as 1.0. or more. Safari is 2.0 with a beta 3 and still can't run javascript properly.

I am not going to move to Vista now, but I'm starting to wish I would. They have more innovative laptop designs, they have a very fast operating system, and contrary to OS X, Vista stuff seem to just work.

izzle22
Oct 28, 2007, 08:34 PM
Leopard is soooooo slow, and not just on my computers. I went to the store and played with an Imac with Leopard, but launching programs could still take up to 10 seconds. So nothing has changed on that front and it actually looks like there are many more problems, since Apple has taken a habit of distributing alpha-beta software and label it as 1.0. or more. Safari is 2.0 with a beta 3 and still can't run javascript properly.

I am not going to move to Vista now, but I'm starting to wish I would. They have more innovative laptop designs, they have a very fast operating system, and contrary to OS X, Vista stuff seem to just work.

What Are You Smoking? Leopard has it's bugs but in no way is it slower than Tiger and it is most certainly more user friendly than vista, and yes I've used vista a time or two. Everything in Leopard not only seams to work but it does work.

HLdan
Oct 28, 2007, 08:44 PM
Leopard is soooooo slow, and not just on my computers. I went to the store and played with an Imac with Leopard, but launching programs could still take up to 10 seconds. So nothing has changed on that front and it actually looks like there are many more problems, since Apple has taken a habit of distributing alpha-beta software and label it as 1.0. or more. Safari is 2.0 with a beta 3 and still can't run javascript properly.

I am not going to move to Vista now, but I'm starting to wish I would. They have more innovative laptop designs, they have a very fast operating system, and contrary to OS X, Vista stuff seem to just work.

You my friend should go back to Windows, in fact I highly recommend it for you. Mac OS X is not a system that is right for you.

I went to the Leopard launch event Friday nite at my local Apple store and Leopard ran beautifully. Slow? No. Zippier performance? Yes. Is it perfect right now? No. Is that just cause to say, "Well I just may go back to Windows"? Umm yes, if you are not thinking straight.
What is this ridiculous thing about, "I'll just go back to Windows" every time there's a small issue or something someone dislikes about a Mac? Sometimes I feel like people want the Mac users to beg them to stay and try and convince.
Well, I'll give you the get go, Vista will work for you. OS X works for me. I have too much Mac software to let issues make me wanna just jump ship which makes no sense.

megfilmworks
Oct 28, 2007, 09:07 PM
Hmmm, then I wonder why there are more negative votes on this thread. Oh well, I'm happy, and looking forward to seeing if they release those axed features in future updates.
I think it's the usual, that people who have a problem search out a thread that offers answers and support. The poll is a wider sampling of the MacRumors crowd. (which is still a tough audience):)


I am not going to move to Vista now, but I'm starting to wish I would. They have more innovative laptop designs, they have a very fast operating system, and contrary to OS X, Vista stuff seem to just work.

Luckily as a Mac user I don't have to go back to Windoze or Vista. I have it on my mac. And running Leopard and Vista next to each other constantly reminds me why I prefer OSX.

SiliconAddict
Oct 28, 2007, 09:15 PM
Leopard is soooooo slow, and not just on my computers. I went to the store and played with an Imac with Leopard, but launching programs could still take up to 10 seconds. So nothing has changed on that front and it actually looks like there are many more problems, since Apple has taken a habit of distributing alpha-beta software and label it as 1.0. or more. Safari is 2.0 with a beta 3 and still can't run javascript properly.

I am not going to move to Vista now, but I'm starting to wish I would. They have more innovative laptop designs, they have a very fast operating system, and contrary to OS X, Vista stuff seem to just work.

Two possibilities.

1. We have a troll here.
2. This person has run\played with Leopard on 2 defective systems.

All I know is that Leopard is SUBSTANTIALLY faster then Tiger. By far.

slackpacker
Oct 28, 2007, 09:21 PM
Two possibilities.

1. We have a troll here.
2. This person has run\played with Leopard on 2 defective systems.

All I know is that Leopard is SUBSTANTIALLY faster then Tiger. By far.

I vote that he's grubbing Troll.

My system is substantially faster running on Leopard.

HLdan
Oct 28, 2007, 09:23 PM
Oh crap, my bad, he is a jealous troll from a Windows forum. I shouldn't have replied to his post. I just figured smart people only visit here. He's not.:p

cohibadad
Oct 28, 2007, 09:28 PM
Leopard is soooooo slow, and not just on my computers. I went to the store and played with an Imac with Leopard, but launching programs could still take up to 10 seconds. So nothing has changed on that front and it actually looks like there are many more problems, since Apple has taken a habit of distributing alpha-beta software and label it as 1.0. or more. Safari is 2.0 with a beta 3 and still can't run javascript properly.

I am not going to move to Vista now, but I'm starting to wish I would. They have more innovative laptop designs, they have a very fast operating system, and contrary to OS X, Vista stuff seem to just work.

I wonder if anyone reads this kind of post and believes it. I don't wonder if anyone writes this kind of post and believes it.

slackpacker
Oct 28, 2007, 09:32 PM
Is it me or have they also updated the Quicktime AV controls.... cool

Its all in one menu now

QuarterSwede
Oct 28, 2007, 09:41 PM
I wonder if anyone reads this kind of post and believes it. I don't wonder if anyone writes this kind of post and believes it.
That post was like bizarro OS X. Hahaha.

tortoise
Oct 28, 2007, 10:11 PM
I was trying out some stuff with python and ran into some strange results:

>>> .01 * 3
0.029999999999999999
>>> .07 * 3
0.21000000000000002
>>> .007 * 3
0.021000000000000001
>>> .7 * 3
2.0999999999999996

Don't know where this is coming from.

Steffen


What were you expecting? This is correct behavior for Python -- standard floating point math -- and is reproducible on pretty much every platform and every version. If you want decimal math (and it seems you do), use the decimal module (built-in as of v2.4 and later).

freeny
Oct 28, 2007, 10:14 PM
Where is the thread where we can bitch about things that use to be there (in Tiger) and now aren't (in leopard) as well as new features that disrupt my finely honed work flow?

There are many things i like about Leopard but there are a few annoying things I don't.

I am particularly angry that there are functions that have been present for years in OSX and are suddenly gone.

Don't want to sound like a whiner but it is grating my nerves...:mad:

1- No audio control or audio at all for that matter in the preview column when selecting a movie clip.
2- stacks uses the first folder within the main folder as its icon instead of the folder itself. This throws out the use of custom icons for folders. It also makes the icon in the dock constantly change as you add new content to the folder making it dificult to visually locate dock items.

There, I said it.:o

I do LOVE the new DVD app as well a the web widget and spaces.
Connecting to shared printers is easier too.
The dock transparency is a bit annoying but this is easily fixed with some custom desktop image photoshopping.

pamon
Oct 28, 2007, 10:23 PM
i picked up my upgrade disc on friday night w/ the tshirt, haven' upgraded my macbook due to my schedule but tonight's the night... hope i don't have any problems....

chubad
Oct 28, 2007, 11:06 PM
Sorry to hear about all your problems. I won't ask if you bought separate licenses for all those macs ;)

Anyway, I think the dock is the same size and it's just perception. All your other comments are valid - although I disagree. Stacks are excellent. Spaces make my MacBook feel 4 (or 16???) times bigger. Safari is snappier. It's what I wanted :)

Ever hear of a Family Pack? :rolleyes:

chubad
Oct 28, 2007, 11:14 PM
Where is the thread where we can bitch about things that use to be there (in Tiger) and now aren't (in leopard) as well as new features that disrupt my finely honed work flow?

There are many things i like about Leopard but there are a few annoying things I don't.

I am particularly angry that there are functions that have been present for years in OSX and are suddenly gone.

Don't want to sound like a whiner but it is grating my nerves...:mad:

1- No audio control or audio at all for that matter in the preview column when selecting a movie clip.
2- stacks uses the first folder within the main folder as its icon instead of the folder itself. This throws out the use of custom icons for folders. It also makes the icon in the dock constantly change as you add new content to the folder making it dificult to visually locate dock items.

There, I said it.:o

I do LOVE the new DVD app as well a the web widget and spaces.
Connecting to shared printers is easier too.
The dock transparency is a bit annoying but this is easily fixed with some custom desktop image photoshopping.

The removal of the audio control in column view sux bigtime. Why on earth would they take that out? Many QT movies have the volume cranked. If I need to preview a QT movie adjusting the volume is a must.:(

HLdan
Oct 28, 2007, 11:34 PM
The removal of the audio control in column view sux bigtime. Why on earth would they take that out? Many QT movies have the volume cranked. If I need to preview a QT movie adjusting the volume is a must.:(

Is something wrong with using the keyboard volume control?

CJD2112
Oct 28, 2007, 11:46 PM
1- No audio control or audio at all for that matter in the preview column when selecting a movie clip.
2- stacks uses the first folder within the main folder as its icon instead of the folder itself. This throws out the use of custom icons for folders. It also makes the icon in the dock constantly change as you add new content to the folder making it dificult to visually locate dock items.


I completely agree. I've been beta testing Leopard, and number 2 especially is odd. For example, when you change the stack for the downloads folder in the dock to "Sort by name", the folder icon goes away and only shows the first item in the stack. I have Applications, Utilities and Downloads folders and it is difficult to tell them apart.

I have a work around though. I created a folder within the folder, named it "#Documents" or "#Downloads", thereby making it the first item to show in the dock stack. I then used "Get Info" on the Applications folder and the "#Applications" folder I created, copied the Leopard one and cut and pasted it for each respective folder to match the folder I just created. Otherwise, don't know how else to change that.

Is something wrong with using the keyboard volume control?

What he means is the preview controls for a movie thumbnail are gone, which allowed for previewing a movie and altering its volume while doing so. I find that to be a bit odd as well.

PCMacUser
Oct 29, 2007, 12:52 AM
2- stacks uses the first folder within the main folder as its icon instead of the folder itself. This throws out the use of custom icons for folders. It also makes the icon in the dock constantly change as you add new content to the folder making it dificult to visually locate dock items.


According to Apple, in their official training presentation this morning, this is a "feature". It's more because Stacks seems to be focused on the 'download' folder, and the icon changes are meant to make it easier to see what you've downloaded most recently (right clicking on the icon allows you to set these preferences).

Doctor Q
Oct 29, 2007, 01:11 AM
I just ran into the custom icon problem myself, while trying to put some custom stacks on the dock for my wife. My solution was to put an alias of the stack's folder inside the stack's folder. I named the alias with a leading @ to make it come first alphabetically (the stack sort order). It puts an extra useless item in the stack, but it lets me control the icon in the stack by setting the icon for that folder.

CJD2112
Oct 29, 2007, 01:12 AM
According to Apple, in their official training presentation this morning, this is a "feature". It's more because Stacks seems to be focused on the 'download' folder, and the icon changes are meant to make it easier to see what you've downloaded most recently (right clicking on the icon allows you to set these preferences).

Yes, but when the icon changes to show only the first item in that stack (and for example if that stack is your "documents" folder") and you have more than one stack in your dock and they're all set to show the first item in that stack/folder, how can you tell them apart without opening them up? I work for Apple as well, and have had training, but it's an issue customers have addressed as well as fellow mac specialists, geniuses and creatives. It doesn't make sense, Apple should allow for the option to change the stack icon as well as "sorting by name" so that the stack icon still shows what folder is in the dock.

PCMacUser
Oct 29, 2007, 02:36 AM
Yes, but when the icon changes to show only the first item in that stack (and for example if that stack is your "documents" folder") and you have more than one stack in your dock and they're all set to show the first item in that stack/folder, how can you tell them apart without opening them up? I work for Apple as well, and have had training, but it's an issue customers have addressed as well as fellow mac specialists, geniuses and creatives. It doesn't make sense, Apple should allow for the option to change the stack icon as well as "sorting by name" so that the stack icon still shows what folder is in the dock.

I agree that this could be an issue. Apple should've kept the existing dock options, and simply complimented them by adding the ability to use Stacks as well.

slackpacker
Oct 29, 2007, 05:23 AM
I agree that this could be an issue. Apple should've kept the existing dock options, and simply complimented them by adding the ability to use Stacks as well.

They should add it as an option... yep I'm part of the crowd that likes seeing
what the latest file is in my downloads folder.
:D

Steve Jobs=God
Oct 29, 2007, 05:47 AM
Does anyone else whose just done the upgrade, get a PC called 'Thomson' pop up in their shared network in finder?

I have it, but thought it was just my neighbor stealing my internet connection, but a mate a few hundred miles away who also did upgrade also has it, so it can't be that

koobcamuk
Oct 29, 2007, 07:47 AM
Ever hear of a Family Pack? :rolleyes:

Yeh, I have heard of the family pack. I was only teasing anyway, sorry :)

As for your issues - I wish your computer a speedy recovery. These problems seem to be hitting the news... uh oh... :mad:

Does anyone else whose just done the upgrade, get a PC called 'Thomson' pop up in their shared network in finder?

I have it, but thought it was just my neighbor stealing my internet connection, but a mate a few hundred miles away who also did upgrade also has it, so it can't be that

Oh my god. I have that too. I assumed the same too. My girlfriend even asked who it was and I said maybe someone using the same exchange router as us (i.e. guessed). Wow. Unless this Thomson guy is stealing internet usage from people all over the UK? [I'm in Manchester].

dogtanian
Oct 29, 2007, 08:03 AM
This 'Thomson' sounds like a Ghost in the Machine...spooky

tattooedpierre
Oct 29, 2007, 11:19 AM
I don't entirely understand what you're getting at here - but if you explain more, I would love to try :)

A lot of screensavers are made using Quartz Compositions (part of the Dev. tools).. They usually produce some neat effects, sometime sound reactive.. Anyways, they open directly in Safari.

iBecks
Oct 29, 2007, 11:24 AM
Does anyone else whose just done the upgrade, get a PC called 'Thomson' pop up in their shared network in finder?

I have it, but thought it was just my neighbor stealing my internet connection, but a mate a few hundred miles away who also did upgrade also has it, so it can't be that

Are you with BT Broadband or do you have a Thomson Speedtouch Router?

I had this when connected to my mother in laws wifi network.

Steve Jobs=God
Oct 29, 2007, 12:32 PM
Are you with BT Broadband or do you have a Thomson Speedtouch Router?

I had this when connected to my mother in laws wifi network.

Have got BT Broadband with the wireless homehub whatever it's called, pile of crap anyway

Hopefully it's something to do with that, perfect excuse to get a Airport Extreme then :D

koobcamuk
Oct 29, 2007, 01:36 PM
Have got BT Broadband with the wireless homehub whatever it's called, pile of crap anyway

Hopefully it's something to do with that, perfect excuse to get a Airport Extreme then :D

I have that too.

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/7043/picture1ln5.png (http://imageshack.us)

Doctor Q
Oct 29, 2007, 05:04 PM
Some of the little Leopard features I like: The login screen has smoother transitions.
TextEdit gives a brief "pulse" highlight to text as you search.
You can press F8 after F9 or F9 after F8 to use Exposé and Spaces at the same time. (Unfortunately, you can't also use Spaces' control keys within Exposé.)
In Mail, if you set rules to play a sound for certain types of mail, you now hear the sound once for each such message, instead of once overall, when you receive a batch of mail.
Safari warns you if you try to close a window with multiple tabs open, as Firefox already does.

tyxp32
Oct 29, 2007, 06:56 PM
i made this using Leopard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvWNacb6Ni8

photobooth

i love it so far!!!

Doctor Q
Oct 29, 2007, 08:41 PM
i made this using Leopard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvWNacb6Ni8
Wow! Give that kid a stage and he'll have a sell-out crowd!

HLdan
Oct 29, 2007, 10:26 PM
Yes, but when the icon changes to show only the first item in that stack (and for example if that stack is your "documents" folder") and you have more than one stack in your dock and they're all set to show the first item in that stack/folder, how can you tell them apart without opening them up? I work for Apple as well, and have had training, but it's an issue customers have addressed as well as fellow mac specialists, geniuses and creatives. It doesn't make sense, Apple should allow for the option to change the stack icon as well as "sorting by name" so that the stack icon still shows what folder is in the dock.

But if you think about it, the way Stacks works is logical. To have the the stack resemble a folder isn't. Think of when you stack papers into a pile. The first document on top of the stack is what you see. That's exactly how Stacks works.
Sorry but too many people on this forum are picky (not saying you are:D) all the way down to the dock separator not being in perfect perspective or the reflections from the dock icons not reflecting correctly.
If Apple did not set up Stacks in the logical way the forum members would really complain even though it's the way they want it.

Stacks behaves properly as it should. Any other way is illogical.

meagain
Oct 29, 2007, 10:40 PM
I dissagree - I want folder icon options to choose from to place these items in an easily identifyable folder. Identifyable at a glance. I have multiple websites open with multiple minimized at all times and I need something to stand out. I don't want a stack of papers, I want the stack of papers in a marked folder. I would try to download/install my own if the darned 3rd parties would have prepared for Leopard.

HLdan
Oct 29, 2007, 11:11 PM
I dissagree - I want folder icon options to choose from to place these items in an easily identifyable folder. Identifyable at a glance. I have multiple websites open with multiple minimized at all times and I need something to stand out. I don't want a stack of papers, I want the stack of papers in a marked folder. I would try to download/install my own if the darned 3rd parties would have prepared for Leopard.

See but what you are talking about is a folder with documents in it and that's not a "stack". A stack of papers in a folder is not a "stack". That's where everyone is getting it backwards. Yes, before we could stick folders in the dock and unfortunately Stacks replaced that but when you pile things in a stack the top document is suppose to show.
What you are going after is a standard folder and at this point it's going to have to reside in the Finder and not on the Stacks floor.

meagain
Oct 29, 2007, 11:17 PM
Well, I made folders for all my stacks so they don't look like the rest of the icons in my dock. :) I like it that way. If I see a folder in my dock, that means to me that it's a stack.

bboyredcel
Oct 30, 2007, 01:18 AM
Does anyone else love the new "Help"?

I love the way it shows Menu Items, and where they are. Thats fantastic... I guess some people over in cupertino went "Where is that? hmmm... view? no... tools? nope... File? Noo... WTF!" one too many times.

lol

Check it out in finder as a good example.. just click help then type "View" or something else like "Copy" that is usually found in the menubar... And Voila!

now, submit... where is that? hmmm... oh, this will never work.

panagiotisgr
Oct 30, 2007, 02:09 AM
I got a PowerBook G4 1.5 17' and 'till now Leopard runs just fine. The only problem i got is the 3d party application. They need updates for 10.5. Adium apears to be buggy on me, I can't install PS CS3, aMSN got problem too :( and i hate the new desktop pic. I missed the blue one :(

Porco
Oct 30, 2007, 02:14 AM
But if you think about it, the way Stacks works is logical. To have the the stack resemble a folder isn't. Think of when you stack papers into a pile. The first document on top of the stack is what you see. That's exactly how Stacks works.
Sorry but too many people on this forum are picky (not saying you are:D) all the way down to the dock separator not being in perfect perspective or the reflections from the dock icons not reflecting correctly.
If Apple did not set up Stacks in the logical way the forum members would really complain even though it's the way they want it.

Stacks behaves properly as it should. Any other way is illogical.

Can I refer you to http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=375615 ?

I have no idea why anyone actually likes Stacks right now to be honest, because unless I'm missing something, there isn't anything functional that it can do that you couldn't already do in Tiger (or even in Panther for that matter!!). I already have, in Tiger, my downloads folder in the dock, from which I can get to any recently downloaded file. The difference is, if I have a folder in the downloads 'Stack' (as it would be forcibly converted to in 10.5) I would have to open a pointless finder window to see what was in that folder. That takes one click more. That's just stupid, not "logical"

I'm quite happy to concede that with the old functionality added back, and an easier way to apply an icon of your own choosing Stacks could go from being a step backwards to a step forwards. If it's not fixed in 10.5.1 I'll be looking for a 3rd party solution, which would just be ridiculous. Hopefully Apple are getting lots of feedback on this issue from people who've been using folders in the dock for years. Stacks as a metaphor for creating a pile of documents is fine (personally I think the icons look a right mess all piled on top of each other, much MORE cluttered), but it shouldn't have come at the cost of such a great feature, it's just silly.

irahodges
Oct 30, 2007, 02:27 AM
I got a PowerBook G4 1.5 17' and 'till now Leopard runs just fine. The only problem i got is the 3d party application. They need updates for 10.5. Adium apears to be buggy on me, I can't install PS CS3, aMSN got problem too :( and i hate the new desktop pic. I missed the blue one :(

You can still use the blue one. Check your "Apple Images" in Desktop under System Preferences.

freeny
Oct 30, 2007, 09:16 AM
See but what you are talking about is a folder with documents in it and that's not a "stack". A stack of papers in a folder is not a "stack". That's where everyone is getting it backwards. Yes, before we could stick folders in the dock and unfortunately Stacks replaced that but when you pile things in a stack the top document is suppose to show.
What you are going after is a standard folder and at this point it's going to have to reside in the Finder and not on the Stacks floor.

OK fine, I get it, Stacks are "stacks".

So where are my "folders with documents" IN MY DOCK option that Ive been using for the past 5 years?

See where we are getting at?;)

HLdan
Oct 30, 2007, 11:10 AM
Can I refer you to http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=375615 ?

I have no idea why anyone actually likes Stacks right now to be honest, because unless I'm missing something, there isn't anything functional that it can do that you couldn't already do in Tiger (or even in Panther for that matter!!). I already have, in Tiger, my downloads folder in the dock, from which I can get to any recently downloaded file. The difference is, if I have a folder in the downloads 'Stack' (as it would be forcibly converted to in 10.5) I would have to open a pointless finder window to see what was in that folder. That takes one click more. That's just stupid, not "logical"

I'm quite happy to concede that with the old functionality added back, and an easier way to apply an icon of your own choosing Stacks could go from being a step backwards to a step forwards. If it's not fixed in 10.5.1 I'll be looking for a 3rd party solution, which would just be ridiculous. Hopefully Apple are getting lots of feedback on this issue from people who've been using folders in the dock for years. Stacks as a metaphor for creating a pile of documents is fine (personally I think the icons look a right mess all piled on top of each other, much MORE cluttered), but it shouldn't have come at the cost of such a great feature, it's just silly.

You do have a good point about a folder with items inside not being convenient to access from Stacks. To answer your question about how Stacks could possibly be useful? I like the fact that I can now just click and my app choices show up in the grid and I click and my app opens and then the Stack closes. How's that better than before?
Well I hate to say it but the Start menu in Windows was "functionally" better than what could be done in Tiger. In Tiger I could drag my Applications folder to the dock and access my files but I had to either "right click" or "control click" to get the menu to shoot up and access my files. If I just clicked then a whole Finder window would open, I choose my app then I still had to close the Finder window.

Friends would come over and never knew to right click on my Applications folder and once again a Finder window would open. Having Stacks to access my files using a standard left click is much easier but I agree Stacks is not perfect for folders residing inside the stack.

Doctor Q
Oct 30, 2007, 11:23 AM
Perhaps when you click a folder in a Stack the contents of that folder should replace the Stack, as if that folder had been the Stack in the Dock.

I admit that this design doesn't include an elegant way to set the Stack-display preference for that folder (fan, grid, automatic) or a way to move back up to the enclosing folder/Stack. That will require some more thought.

Porco
Oct 30, 2007, 01:44 PM
In Tiger I could drag my Applications folder to the dock and access my files but I had to either "right click" or "control click" to get the menu to shoot up and access my files.

Are you serious? Stacks is better because you can left click instead of right click?! C'mon, you must see how silly that looks as a justification? I really don't think the loss of sub-folder access is worth it for changing the right/ctrl click button to the left button.

I actually do think moving everything (the stack/folder including subfolder access to the left button would be better, because you could still add an alias of a folder to the dock to open the finder window instead of a stack instead I guess.

Anyway, here's hoping for 10.5.1

HLdan
Oct 30, 2007, 06:32 PM
Are you serious? Stacks is better because you can left click instead of right click?! C'mon, you must see how silly that looks as a justification? I really don't think the loss of sub-folder access is worth it for changing the right/ctrl click button to the left button.

I actually do think moving everything (the stack/folder including subfolder access to the left button would be better, because you could still add an alias of a folder to the dock to open the finder window instead of a stack instead I guess.

Anyway, here's hoping for 10.5.1

I don't think you even read my previous posts. I was making the same point you just made. I was saying that Stacks IS better because I don't have to drag my Applications folder to the dock anymore and right click to expand the contents. I prefer the Stacks way. :)

Doctor Q
Oct 30, 2007, 07:39 PM
If you fill in a form on a web page and try to close the Safari tab, you now get the messageAre you sure you want to close this tab?

You have entered text. If you close the tab, your changes will be lost. Do you want to close the tab anyway?Maybe that will prevent somebody from losing a valuable forum post!

Doctor Q
Oct 30, 2007, 08:17 PM
I've been finding Tiger-Leopard differences by accident, when something doesn't "feel right."

Here are a couple of examples in the Finder:

When you open a window that you previously scrolled within, the scroll bar is positioned at the same place it was before. Without ever realizing it, I was expecting my windows to be at the top every time I opened them. I thought some of my files were missing since the alphabetically early files weren't shown! Then I noticed the scroll bar... duh!

When you Connect to Server, and have a scrolling list of previous connections, it scrolls to the last server used. My instinct to click the one that's first in the display didn't work.

These features will be convenient in the long run, but cause little pauses as I work since I'm not used to them yet.

Porco
Oct 31, 2007, 12:50 AM
I don't think you even read my previous posts. I was making the same point you just made. I was saying that Stacks IS better because I don't have to drag my Applications folder to the dock anymore and right click to expand the contents. I prefer the Stacks way. :)

Oh, I know that, I was agreeing with you that a left-click is probably more sensible to access the Stack in the first place than a right click, I was just underlining my opinion that I think that change is a tiny and trivial one which was not worth doing if it meant throwing out the extremely useful ability of being able to browse through several layers of folders in one click (whether left or right, it makes no difference). I think I'd rather they had left Stacks, as is, an optional extra at most until they put back the sub-folder access back in.

Doctor Q
Oct 31, 2007, 02:57 PM
If you have the "Show all file extensions" option enabled in Finder Prefereces, then when you press enter to rename the selected file in a window, the filename is highlighted but not the extension. This makes it easier to rename the file without changing the extension.

To rename the file and extension, press command-a before you type the new filename.

CJD2112
Nov 1, 2007, 12:49 AM
See but what you are talking about is a folder with documents in it and that's not a "stack". A stack of papers in a folder is not a "stack". That's where everyone is getting it backwards. Yes, before we could stick folders in the dock and unfortunately Stacks replaced that but when you pile things in a stack the top document is suppose to show.
What you are going after is a standard folder and at this point it's going to have to reside in the Finder and not on the Stacks floor.

Makes sense, but the original implementation of stacks was for creating them on the "Desktop", not the Dock. I would much rather have stacks as Smart folders, similar to smart mailboxes, in which you can have a "Stack" of PDF's (for example) gathered on your desktop (much like you would have a stack of files on your desk organized). Let's say you have a ton of documents on your desktop; jpeg's, doc's, pdf's, etc. It would be AWESOME if you could have your desktop automatically organize all your files in STACKS according to file type. THAT makes much more sense to me then the stacks that are currently implemented in the doc. Having a stack in your dock organized by name just throws a random object in your dock, and if you have a lot of stacks in your dock (such as I do) coupled with open Safari pages and other applications it only makes for a muddled dock rather than an organized desktop. Plus, if the idea of stacks isn't to have an organized folder, than why does Leopard come pre-programmed with a downloads stack in the dock with a downloads folder icon (until the stack is changed to "Sort by Name" that is)?

I agree that the concept of stacks is antithetical to what they have turned out to be, but personally I would have liked to have seen Leopard implement a "Smart Stack" option for the desktop rather than what Stacks has turned out to be in the Dock. I'm not nitpicking, I like Leopard a heck of a lot, but if consumers don't make objections and comments, then how will anything improve?

German
Nov 1, 2007, 07:52 AM
Apple petition to support open-source FLAC lossless audio codec

I encourage all people who are interested in iPods, iTunes, iPhones and Apple TVs being able to natively support FLAC to contact Apple (politely) and ask for Apple to adopt this open-source free lossless standard format (FLAC) in all their audio products. That way Apple will truly have open, standard (read non-proprietary) support in their popular iPod, iTunes and other products that can freely be read by other competitior's software and hardware products.

The more open formats that Apple adopts, the better we all are. Being tied into proprietary Microsoft WMA (DRM and non-DRM) and Apple ALAC formats is not wise in the long run and will require audio conversions in the future. Better to support a popular, non-proprietary, free lossless format now.

More: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=53975&st=0

Would you like iTunes to support FLAC? So would we!

Due to the design of iTunes, only Apple can add support for FLAC [1]. And why wouldn't they? FLAC usage is accelerating, many bands like Pearl Jam, Phish, Dave Matthews Band, Metallica -- the same hip, influential people whose fans Apple courts -- are already distributing music in FLAC format, and users are clamoring for it in the iTunes forums:

* [2] "I have seen a lot of people on live music message boards turn away from the iPod because there are other music players that support FLAC. I am on the verge... and I am an Apple die-hard!"
* [3] "If your source material is FLAC (as many bands have gone this way to distribute online music) your choice is to use another music player ..."
* [4] (many more requests)

Make your voice heard! Fill out the iTunes feedback form (politely!) and let them know. Feel free to also direct them to this page. We at the FLAC project stand ready to help as well. http://www.apple.com/feedback/itunesapp.html

XiphQT, through tremendous effort by developers, goes as far as possible in allowing some playback capability via QuickTime. But proper iTunes support -- tag handling, no import delays, etc. -- is not possible without Apple.

http://flac.sourceforge.net/itunes.html

FLAC support in Mac OS X 10.5 “Leopard” SDK?
What does it mean "supported (...) via its developer SDK"? That's a quite inaccurate statement and I don't think word "supported" can be used with what there is in the Leopard developer SDK. An example implementation of an AudioCodec built on top of libFLAC is all there is. Without any attempts to support any container file format that is used for FLAC (native FLAC, Ogg FLAC) it's of no use to normal users, and of little use even to developers. And there are no "FLAC tools embedded in the Leopard SDK".

For interested a bit more details on that subject in my post here. => http://barelyfocused.net/blog/2007/10/28/flac-support-in-mac-os-x-105-leopard/

http://www.apple.com/feedback/itunesapp.html

freeny
Nov 5, 2007, 12:42 PM
Apple petition to support open-source FLAC lossless audio codec



May I assume you work for the FLAC people?
Half of your posts pertain to forwarding the FLAC codec :rolleyes:

You can already play lossless file formats on the ipod.
What makes the FLAC codec so special?

diamond.g
Nov 5, 2007, 01:07 PM
What makes the FLAC codec so special?

AFAIK the F(ree) is what makes it special. Not much else. Are Apple Lossless encoders free?

Doctor Q
Nov 5, 2007, 04:10 PM
This is nice. After a software update requiring a restart, I can postpone the final step.

psychofreak
Nov 5, 2007, 04:11 PM
This is nice. After a software update requiring a restart, I can postpone the final step.

And the progress bar during a restart caused by updating...

Doctor Q
Nov 5, 2007, 07:01 PM
And the progress bar during a restart caused by updating...I wasn't as impressed with that feature. The progress bar moved a bit, then sat there making no progress for a while. It never reached the halfway point, and then it disappeared, leaving me staring at a blue screen for many seconds, wondering if the Mac was still doing anything.

psychofreak
Nov 5, 2007, 07:05 PM
I wasn't as impressed with that feature. The progress bar moved a bit, then sat there making no progress for a while. It never reached the halfway point, and then it disappeared, leaving me staring at a blue screen for many seconds, wondering if the Mac was still doing anything.

Worked well for me...should be fixed for good in an update...its a proof-of-concept if nothing else...

HowEver
Nov 6, 2007, 06:44 PM
If you have the "Show all file extensions" option enabled in Finder Prefereces, then when you press enter to rename the selected file in a window, the filename is highlighted but not the extension. This makes it easier to rename the file without changing the extension.

To rename the file and extension, press command-a before you type the new filename.

How Windows-y.