Java 1.4.1 Update 1 (Software Update)

[sickracer2015]

The Java 1.4.1 Update 1 adds the following enhancements:

• Improved Java applet support for Safari and other web browsers that support the Java Internet Plug-In.
• Improved drawing correctness and performance.
• Changes to Java 1.3.1 that provide support for Oracle11i client applications on Mac OS X.
• Improved stability, memory usage, and correctness.

For more details on this update, please visit: http://www.apple.com/java/

[synthetickittie]

maybe my physics class homework online will now display? I get back in a few minutes to tell you..

[synthetickittie]

ya still not working, I just looked at the code and its java script not java. The display will not show AT ALL. Their is another problem above it that is a java display that works but the javascript one does not. Ive tried camino, safari, and explorer yet not work. Kinda annoying that now I know Im gonna have to go get on a windows computer to view this thing some where on campus and not just being able to sit in my room and do it. Is there ANY home that some broswer will some day soon fix this or would this be something to do with masos x the OS its self?

[jihad the movie]

It hasn't crashed on the sites it usually crashes on!


I think this is a sign that the next version is due out soon!

[bobindashadows]

This kind of verifies that Update 2 will be coming out, no?

[ColoJohnBoy]

Hooray! Java was one of the things that made Safari the slightly-less-than-perfect browser. I haven't had any problems so far. I hope Java is right around the corner.

[mactastic]

Hmmm... I'm guessing if I wait till tomorrow I could update a couple more things all at once...:cool:

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by mactastic
Hmmm... I'm guessing if I wait till tomorrow I could update a couple more things all at once...:cool: yeah, maybe. dang! i have 25 days on my uptime. i can't restart now! :mad::mad:

[mvc]

Originally posted by synthetickittie
…ANY hope that some browser will some day soon fix this or would this be something to do with masos x the OS its self?

Without seeing the code I expect the problem is windows specific javascript that will never run on OSX in any browser. I assume this code is created on a PC? This is very common - Microsoft takes a (relatively) open technology standard like javascript and puts little useful hooks in it that (shucks!) only work on Windows. The people creating the code are often ignorant of the fact that it only works on PC, or don't care.

Its called leveraging, and its a monopolists game from way back.

Thats why they were being sued, remember?

[GeoMac]

Originally posted by mvc
Without seeing the code I expect the problem is windows specific javascript that will never run on OSX in any browser. I assume this code is created on a PC? This is very common - Microsoft takes a (relatively) open technology standard like javascript and puts little useful hooks in it that (shucks!) only work on Windows. The people creating the code are often ignorant of the fact that it only works on PC, or don't care.
hey were being sued, remember?

not likely. Jave was created by Sun, and they use unix on their own Sun computers. Probably closer to a Mac than PC. Microsoft isn't even allowed to include their own version of Java on their OS anymore (VM).

[pwm519]

Yea my dental school is a mess right now as we just switched to a "cross platform" dental clinic management system called Quick Recovery that is supposed to be Java based (using the Jwalk client) and run on both Macs and Pcs. While the application runs on macs, it is very slow, can't right click (control click) and you can't drag and drop within it and thus can not treatment plan or change treatment plans (unfortunately something that must be done on a daily basis). They've promised compatibility but I have a feeling it's not going to workout. I would imagine that Apple sticks to the Java standard pretty well and the problem is a poorly coded application. I'm interested to know if this fixed functionality problems? Java is not the cross platform solution it was supposed to be.

[Powerbook G5]

I think Microsoft just enjoys being a pain in everyone's behinds.

[mvc]

Originally posted by GeoMac
not likely. Jave was created by Sun, and they use unix on their own Sun computers. Probably closer to a Mac than PC. Microsoft isn't even allowed to include their own version of Java on their OS anymore (VM).

But we are talking about JAVASCRIPT, or jscript or vbscribt more likely - his original point was that the java upgrade made no difference to the site he was looking at because the source was javascript, and Java and Javascipt are two very different animals.

Microsoft still has its own propriety extensions to the javacript language, they have no connection whatsoever to the big Java VM hoohaa between them and Sun.

But that IS yet another example of Microsoft attempting to leverage its desktop monopoly into other technology areas :mad:

[GregGomer]

Hey, maybe this is the software that was rumored to be released this week. If so it really is unexpected :)

Obviously I doubt it is... but glad to see the update just the same.

[GeoMac]

well most importnantly, my yahoo fantasy football stattracker seems to be working alot better, so I'm very happy with the update :)

[jholzner]

Well, I installed the update and now gay.com chat works. It hasn't worked for over two years on a Mac with ANY browser. I sent feedback to Apple after every update to Safari pointing this out. Glad to see it's finally fixed...for the most part.

[3-22]

I think someone else already pointed this out, but just to reiterate...

Javascript is not Java! Javascript was developed (i believe) orginally by Netscape. It has no relation to java except, a slightly similiair coding style.

Javascript has also became very "muddy", with various vendor implementations...

[Stella]

Yep, spot on,
for example, one MS extension of JS which is very common is
Document.all

WTF is .ALL?
Its not Javascript standard.

It screws up websites because lazy web developers can't use
document.getElementById or .getElementByName


Originally posted by mvc
But we are talking about JAVASCRIPT, or jscript or vbscribt more likely - his original point was that the java upgrade made no difference to the site he was looking at because the source was javascript, and Java and Javascipt are two very different animals.

Microsoft still has its own propriety extensions to the javacript language, they have no connection whatsoever to the big Java VM hoohaa between them and Sun.

But that IS yet another example of Microsoft attempting to leverage its desktop monopoly into other technology areas :mad:

[luiss]

Originally posted by synthetickittie
... Ive tried camino, safari, and explorer yet not work...
Try a recent mozilla (i.e. 1.4 or 1.5beta) at mozilla.org.

[orion123]

Blah, ESPN gamecast now crashes Safari, which it didnt before. And now it seems like 20% of websites are crashing it.

This sucks

[vanmonkey]

i don't get it. didn't i already update to java 1.4.1 like six months ago?

I don't understand. this udate has the same name???

[QCassidy352]

Originally posted by orion123
Blah, ESPN gamecast now crashes Safari, which it didnt before. And now it seems like 20% of websites are crashing it.

This sucks

yes, me too. ESPN gamecast either crashes or just never loads now. When will I learn not to install these things as soon as they appear??? :mad:

[jimthorn]

Originally posted by synthetickittie
ya still not working, I just looked at the code and its java script not java. The display will not show AT ALL. Their is another problem above it that is a java display that works but the javascript one does not. Ive tried camino, safari, and explorer yet not work. Kinda annoying that now I know Im gonna have to go get on a windows computer to view this thing some where on campus and not just being able to sit in my room and do it. Is there ANY home that some broswer will some day soon fix this or would this be something to do with masos x the OS its self?

How about giving us a web address so we can see why it's not working?

[BKMaggert]

Originally posted by QCassidy352
yes, me too. ESPN gamecast either crashes or just never loads now. When will I learn not to install these things as soon as they appear??? :mad:
Ditto here. Bummer things got worse.

Good thing I prefer "Gameday" on www.MLB.com (for 'baseball' Gamecast). It still works. Gameday does basically the same thing as Gamecast but also includes pitch location after each pitch and shows the hit/out location in the field diagram. Try it.

[Photorun]

Those of you having crashes, is there an old java pref file perhaps in OS X to throw out? Just something to consider, I don't know if this will fix it, just a suggestion.

[QCassidy352]

Originally posted by BKMaggert
Ditto here. Bummer things got worse.

Good thing I prefer "Gameday" on www.MLB.com (for 'baseball' Gamecast). It still works. Gameday does basically the same thing as Gamecast but also includes pitch location after each pitch and shows the hit/out location in the field diagram. Try it.

yeah, actually I am using gameday now, but it's still annoying. Even the "game update" (refreshes every 60 seconds) on espn isn't working. This is pretty annoying. Is there anyway to revert to before this update?

[hap]

Originally posted by GeoMac
not likely. Jave was created by Sun, and they use unix on their own Sun computers. Probably closer to a Mac than PC. Microsoft isn't even allowed to include their own version of Java on their OS anymore (VM).

Java and javascript are not the same thing. The original poster was refering to Microsoft's embrace and extension of Java script.

[themacdetective]

I just checked ESPN gamecast and it worked for me. Monday Night Football says Bucs leading 3 to zip. Wife watching HGTV. This is with Safari and new java update. Safari does seem a little faster and no crashes so far.

[settledown]

prior to this update, gamecast worked for me, but statracker did not. With the java update both work well.

Ibook 600mhz on an airport network using safari

[settledown]

someone give us a good java site that didnt work before.....i wanna test this baby out

[dragula53]

well, installing that update made my drive unbootable.

neat.

that was 3 hours of my life that I will never get back.

good thing I had the trusty ipod backup drive.

I only lost a bunch of shareware games... and some porn. heh.

anyway. I'm not too mad. but it did hose my computer good.

hence my negative rating on this one.

[GeoMac]

Originally posted by hap
Java and javascript are not the same thing. The original poster was refering to Microsoft's embrace and extension of Java script.


yep, fingers were a little faster than the brain...my bad.

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by 3-22
I think someone else already pointed this out, but just to reiterate...

Javascript is not Java! Javascript was developed (i believe) orginally by Netscape. It has no relation to java except, a slightly similiair coding style.

Javascript has also became very "muddy", with various vendor implementations...

Right, JavaScript was CoolScript and Java was Oak in earlier lives.

It's good to see that they've tightened up things a bit but it's still 1.4.1_01 not 1.4.1_02 so they've only fixed Apple-created bugs.

[hayesk]

Originally posted by dragula53
well, installing that update made my drive unbootable.


More likely there was already something wrong with your drive and no matter what you installed next, your drive would have been hosed.

Check your hard disk occasionaly with Disk Utility. Remember to fix any problems.

[MrMacMan]

does this mean THIS IS GONE:


I have this 'java console' I can't close it or turn it off, will this fix it?

:confused:

[groovebuster]

Originally posted by GeoMac
not likely. Jave was created by Sun, and they use unix on their own Sun computers. Probably closer to a Mac than PC. Microsoft isn't even allowed to include their own version of Java on their OS anymore (VM).

JAVA != JavaScript

It's a commonn error to think it is.

By the way, 1.3.1 was really a bad release anyway. It was the first time they used the GCC3+ compiler for it and I can tell you that several libraries in JAVA were not 100% functionable anymore. I know that, because I am writing the documentation for a software company at the moment and part of their software was relying on JAVA...

But of course they don't mention the biggest buf-fix... that it finally works again how it is supposed to. ;)

Oh... and from a technical point of view Safari is a horror how it handles embedded objects (ask a programmer) and the DOM. That's why most online applications won't work as soon as they are a little bit more complicated. Most of them work in Mozilla 1.3, but not in Safari. Apple nailed together a browser that looks good on most websites, but don't look under the hood... it's scary. I really hope that they get their act together and will offer a really professional browser with V.2. Safari 1.0 is just a toy browser so far...

groovebuster

[Kirtus]

I just tried the Gameday on ESPN and it works fine. I was hoping it would fix the problem with MLB Video I subscribed to watch the Mariners play and I can do it on my old PC (I am a new SWITCHER) but I can't get it to work on my new Emac unless I use IE....I was hoping to make a clean break form microsoft.

[gregorypierce]

Originally posted by orion123
Blah, ESPN gamecast now crashes Safari, which it didnt before. And now it seems like 20% of websites are crashing it.

This sucks

SI.com's MLB, NFL, and NCAAF Scorecasts seem to work perfectly file with the Java update. Last time I looked - ESPNs stuff was all Flash based BTW - not Java based.

[SeaFox]

Originally posted by jimthorn
How about giving us a web address so we can see why it's not working?

Probably because you have to log in with a student ID and password to try using the site at all. It is a homework site of a university.

[DylanSchell]

I had the problem with the Java console as well.
It turns out it was a preference problem in my case. Just go to /Applications/Utilties/Java/Java 1.4.1 Plugin Settings and select "Show Console" click Apply and select "Do not start console" and click Apply again. that fixed it in my case YMMV

[madrobby]

Oracle 11i Apps? Hmm, OracleWorld is just now (http://www.oracle.com/oracleworld/sanfrancisco/conference/). Maybe there's a Version of Oracle 10g for Mac OS X Server (there is a "Developers Preview" of the 9i Database already). So maybe Oracle and Apple are sort of teaming up here.

I mean the Xserve Cluster config would go perfectly with the "g" of "Oracle 10g", which is, "Grid"...

Maybe there are Xserve G5 Updates around the corner... ;)

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Kirtus
I just tried the Gameday on ESPN and it works fine. I was hoping it would fix the problem with MLB Video I subscribed to watch the Mariners play and I can do it on my old PC (I am a new SWITCHER) but I can't get it to work on my new Emac unless I use IE....I was hoping to make a clean break form microsoft.

Try Camino (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/camino/). You can dowload the last released build 0.7 or you can download the latest nightly build. I would just suggest getting the latest nightly build as I have not had a problem with them in the last 6 months.

[DamnDJ]

Originally posted by jholzner
Well, I installed the update and now gay.com chat works. It hasn't worked for over two years on a Mac with ANY browser. I sent feedback to Apple after every update to Safari pointing this out. Glad to see it's finally fixed...for the most part.

Good to hear this finally works! I haven't been able to use gay.com's chat since switching over to Mac (Not that it's a HUGE deal to me), but it'll be nice to have this problem fixed.

I have been using a chat client called, well, "Chat Client" i believe that allows a connection to gay.com's chat rooms. It's actually kind of nice and a lot better than the java chat webclient.

http://www.gayboi.org/ and then click on Chat Client at the top.

[dragula53]

Originally posted by hayesk
More likely there was already something wrong with your drive and no matter what you installed next, your drive would have been hosed.

Check your hard disk occasionaly with Disk Utility. Remember to fix any problems.

heh, after it became unbootable, I checked my drive. drive was fine. Permissions were jacked.

Fixing permissions didn't make it bootable, but I suppose that might have been part of the problem.

I have been doing a lot of experimenting lately, so you might be correct about it being broken before the install.

I sometimes wish that OS X had an uninstall. My computer started running really really bad, and I spent a week removing anything I had installed recently. but there are application helpers and things like that in the library that you have to find for yourself. It's possible that I deleted something important along the way, and caused the prob with this update.

Anyway, it turns out that when I moved my computer/desk, I dislodged my memory, heh. that was my performance problem.

Anyway, peace

[JayBee]

Looking more and more like the rumour squad read "software update" as "unexpected software announcement".

Can't really blame anyone here, but I reckon this fits the bill - it was certainly unexpected, and came out on Tuesday...

[imaswitcheryeah]

I checked my installed plugins for Safari and it shows that it still uses 1.3.1 for Java Plug-in (CFM) and the Java Plug-in. Java Plug-in for Cocoa is 1.4.1. See attached screenshot.

Also, in my /Applications/Utilities/Java folder, there are 2 Java Plugin Settings Apps, on for 1.3.1 and one for 1.4.1.

Does this mean the 1.4.1 install didn't overwrite 1.3.1? Is it safe to delete 1.3.1 files to have 1.4.1 work for all plugins in Safari? OR, is this why this is "Update 1" and an "Update 2" will finish off the update?

Any info would be much appreciated.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by JayBee
Looking more and more like the rumour squad read "software update" as "unexpected software announcement".

Can't really blame anyone here, but I reckon this fits the bill - it was certainly unexpected, and came out on Tuesday...

Actually it came out yesterday early in the day that being Monday.

[JayBee]

Originally posted by MacBandit
Actually it came out yesterday early in the day that being Monday.

Fair enough - still reckon it fits the bill a bit TOO nicely, though. I hope I'm wrong!

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by JayBee
Fair enough - still reckon it fits the bill a bit TOO nicely, though. I hope I'm wrong!

The rumors I read didn't say new software just that there would be 2-3 update this week. Monday and Tuesday and then maybe the first of next week I believe it said. The update yesterday came out just before noon so we still have a couple hours.

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by imaswitcheryeah
I checked my installed plugins for Safari and it shows that it still uses 1.3.1 for Java Plug-in (CFM) and the Java Plug-in. Java Plug-in for Cocoa is 1.4.1. See attached screenshot.

Also, in my /Applications/Utilities/Java folder, there are 2 Java Plugin Settings Apps, on for 1.3.1 and one for 1.4.1.

Does this mean the 1.4.1 install didn't overwrite 1.3.1? Is it safe to delete 1.3.1 files to have 1.4.1 work for all plugins in Safari? OR, is this why this is "Update 1" and an "Update 2" will finish off the update?

Any info would be much appreciated.

1.4.1 and 1.3.1 are both on the machine for various reasons. You should not delete either.

There will most likely be other updates since this update does not yet put Mac OS X in sync with the rest of the Java community.

[imaswitcheryeah]

Originally posted by bousozoku
1.4.1 and 1.3.1 are both on the machine for various reasons. You should not delete either.

There will most likely be other updates since this update does not yet put Mac OS X in sync with the rest of the Java community.

Thanks, bousozoku!

[beware_phog]

Still doesn't work properly at www.wsj.com. Is it so hard for it remember your log in AND show your personalized front page?

Safari is faster...still not compatible enough. Beta to me.

[beware_phog]

Still doesn't launch Real Player at www.mlb.com to listen to games. Need to still use IE.

I have no idea what causes IE to work over Safari....but with every update, I think that they will finally get it working correct. Aren't these basic tasks?

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by beware_phog
Still doesn't launch Real Player at www.mlb.com to listen to games. Need to still use IE.

I have no idea what causes IE to work over Safari....but with every update, I think that they will finally get it working correct. Aren't these basic tasks?

Actually from what I understand they aren't simple tasks. If you really want it to work with that page why haven't you sent in a bug report?

The reason I say they aren't simple tasks as from what I understand something like 90% or greater of all web pages are poorly written. To get around that the web browser has to be able to almost guess at what the page should be doing and circumvent the problem. IE is the defacto standard to which most pages are written so it is better at dealing with these issues and web developers are better at writing for it. Each type of browser has it's own style to which the web developer must make their page compatible with. If you open up the debug menu in Safari there are options to make Safari emulate Netscape or IE type browsers and this can fix small incompatibilities but not always.

[QCassidy352]

aargh, this has made safari so unstable... so many crashes... so many things that won't work (actually, just espn mostly)... can someone please tell me how to revert to before this "update"??

[WM.]

Sorry for the OT. I'll keep it on the PM side from now on.

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by beware_phog
Still doesn't launch Real Player at www.mlb.com to listen to games. Need to still use IE.

I have no idea what causes IE to work over Safari....but with every update, I think that they will finally get it working correct. Aren't these basic tasks?

That wouldn't be a Java problem. You can however, launch Real Player first and it should work as it has for me.

[vanmonkey]

Damn, does this screenie from yahoo chess look right to you!!?

[bousozoku]

Originally posted by vanmonkey
Damn, does this screenie from yahoo chess look right to you!!?

It looks as though it can't find the font. I'm surprised the games work at all. Does it happen in all browsers?

I tried the MahJongg Solitaire since I could do that by myself and it worked perfectly.

[QCassidy352]

Just found out that the "TV guide online," the only tv guide i have btw, appears as a mangled jumble now.

Please, can anyone help me get rid of this awful java update without reinstalling jag and doing everything from scratch??

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by QCassidy352
Just found out that the "TV guide online," the only tv guide i have btw, appears as a mangled jumble now.

Please, can anyone help me get rid of this awful java update without reinstalling jag and doing everything from scratch??

Can't you go to your cable providers home page and get a tv listing? That's what I have always done with TCI, ATT, Comcast, and occasionally DirecTV. If I want a even more up to date listing I go to the homepage for the channel I want to check on. I frequent SpeedTV.com frequently to check they're schedule due to delayed races.

[QCassidy352]

yeah, I guess I can do that, but I don't really want to find work arounds for all the things that no longer work in safari. I just want safari to work again... :(

[beware_phog]

Originally posted by MacBandit
Actually from what I understand they aren't simple tasks. If you really want it to work with that page why haven't you sent in a bug report?


I've sent in a million bug reports. I hope someone looks at them.

[j33pd0g]

Originally posted by QCassidy352
Just found out that the "TV guide online," the only tv guide i have btw, appears as a mangled jumble now.

Please, can anyone help me get rid of this awful java update without reinstalling jag and doing everything from scratch??


You know what, TV Guide changed the website and how the grid works. It's not you or the java update... I haven't upgraded yet... and it's a garbled mess for me too. Works in Mozilla though...

So if you haven't already re-installed jag yet, hold off. Try another browser. My friend has a PC and he said he had problems with it too.

[Hmm]

Yeah, the TV Guide site suddenly looks like crap and I never installed the Java update. My local cable provider's guide makes me log in and has less info on each program than TV Guide.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Hmm
Yeah, the TV Guide site suddenly looks like crap and I never installed the Java update. My local cable provider's guide makes me log in and has less info on each program than TV Guide.

That's funny. The reason I use the local cable companies guide is TV Guide requires that you register and the local cable company does not.

Even though it's free I hate registering if the information is available elsewhere without registering.

[j33pd0g]

I never had been asked to register with TV Guide. Lucky I guess. The new style isn't worth visiting. Back on topic: Any other downfalls to this update?

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by j33pd0g
I never had been asked to register with TV Guide. Lucky I guess. The new style isn't worth visiting. Back on topic: Any other downfalls to this update?

Has there been any downfalls to this update at all except that it isn't completely up to date with the rest of the world yet?

[j33pd0g]

Originally posted by MacBandit
Has there been any downfalls to this update at all except that it isn't completely up to date with the rest of the world yet?

I was just wondering if I need to this java update yet. This is the version I have now:
java version "1.4.1_01"
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.1_01-39)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.1_01-14, mixed mode)

Someone mention about how Safari is now unstable. I wasn't really interested in any of that action.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by j33pd0g
I was just wondering if I need to this java update yet. This is the version I have now:
java version "1.4.1_01"
Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.1_01-39)
Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.1_01-14, mixed mode)

Someone mention about how Safari is now unstable. I wasn't really interested in any of that action.

I have seen absolutely no change in stability or features in anything. I use Safari as my only browser and I browse extensively often having 3-5 pages open simultaneously with more then one of them with tabs and often having 20 or more tabs in one of the windows. My recommendation to anyone have stability problems after any installation is to do the basics. Check/repair Permissions and run a disk check. A great program to run your standard repairs and to open up some basic hidden features is Cocktail (http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/18282).