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arn
Apr 12, 2002, 06:23 AM
PumaCode provides us with a tidbit of regarding upcoming OS X releases. He reports that the next update of Mac OS X will be OS X 10.1.4 and should be coming "very soon now".

...while Mac OS X 10.2 should not be expected before Summer of 2002.

PumaCode had previously predicted the Security Update #2 for Mac OS X by a few days.

iGav
Apr 12, 2002, 06:28 AM
Interpret as maybe a OSX.1.4 at WWDC to keep people ticking over until MWNY when they preview OSX.2??

mac15
Apr 12, 2002, 06:41 AM
that suck I was hoping they would preview OS X.2
but apple have nevere gone to a #.4 update before
I doubt the update very much

DaveGee
Apr 12, 2002, 07:20 AM
Originally posted by mac15
that suck I was hoping they would preview OS X.2
but apple have nevere gone to a #.4 update before
I doubt the update very much

Never?!?!

System 6.0.4
System 6.0.5

And even if those updates didn't exist I still don't see the logic in your statement.

D

Geert
Apr 12, 2002, 07:33 AM
I'dd say if the 10.1.4. is 10.2 that we have been discussing lately (those great improved features), then I don't mind:D

jasonq
Apr 12, 2002, 07:41 AM
Originally posted by mac15
that suck I was hoping they would preview OS X.2
but apple have nevere gone to a #.4 update before
I doubt the update very much

Or, 9.0.4

mac15
Apr 12, 2002, 07:44 AM
man I'm way off
sorry well then it highly likely:p

Mr. Anderson
Apr 12, 2002, 08:06 AM
Originally posted by iGAV
Interpret as maybe a OSX.1.4 at WWDC to keep people ticking over until MWNY when they preview OSX.2??

Exactly. Apple's going to try and keep people happy by stringing them along. It'll be interesting to see what OSX.1.4 has to offer.

iGav
Apr 12, 2002, 08:11 AM
it would just seem the logical way to go to me.....

OSX.1.4 could have alot of improvements over the current OS, but I just have the feeling that Apple are holding back to really give everything at MWNY....

Backtothemac
Apr 12, 2002, 08:13 AM
10.0.4 ? Wasn't that one of the builds of the original X?

dricci
Apr 12, 2002, 08:14 AM
As far as I know, there *was* a 10.0.4. So yes, there have been many 0.0.4 releases.

Taft
Apr 12, 2002, 08:17 AM
I was expecting it at MWNY anyway. No big deal. :cool:

Plus we get an update to tide us over. Super-:cool:!!

Matthew

DaveGee
Apr 12, 2002, 08:17 AM
Given X.y.z

In the past when Apple has bumped the 'z' part of an OS release it's been due to either minor bug fixes that couldn't wait for the next 'y' bump or new hardware support. Some rumors sites report new laptops and that might just explain it... or it could just be some house cleanup (bugs etc) that couldn't wait till the 10.2 release. MWNY is far enough away that 10.1.4 could just be an Apple 'spring cleaning' release.

Not what most wanna hear but I'll bet pretty close to the truth.

Dave

MikeH
Apr 12, 2002, 08:17 AM
10.2, 10.1.4, to be honest I don't care what number they give updates so long as they do the job and Photoshop 7 arrives very soon.

trilogic
Apr 12, 2002, 09:12 AM
Originally posted by MikeH
10.2, 10.1.4, to be honest I don't care what number they give updates so long as they do the job and Photoshop 7 arrives very soon.

I second that, allthough I'd like to see "spring folders" in OSX.whatever soon. Ah and yes, when does GoLive 6 ship?

TechLarry
Apr 12, 2002, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by dukestreet


Exactly. Apple's going to try and keep people happy by stringing them along. It'll be interesting to see what OSX.1.4 has to offer.

Hey, fixes are fixes. Improvements are improvements.

Who cares what the version number is. Bring it on!

TL

ejm625
Apr 12, 2002, 12:39 PM
I was really disappointed in the 10.1.3 update. It seemed to have made things worse. It seems like we all noticed huge improvements in the 10.0.* chain but 10.1.* hasn't done much. But maybe, this update will stop those stupid pauses I get on iTunes Visualizations!

Catfish_Man
Apr 12, 2002, 12:45 PM
...nothing in the 10.0.x chain. 10.1.x has done a few (very few) visible things on my machine. 10.1 was incredible though, IE went from 28 bounces to 2-3 bounces.

kishba
Apr 12, 2002, 12:58 PM
10.1.3 improved speed on my powerbook 400 (g3) tremendously

but that's just me :)

edenwaith
Apr 12, 2002, 01:15 PM
As for the release date of Photoshop 7, a person mentioned that he has a buddy at Adobe and PS 7 might start shipping the middle of next week.

I'm not entire sure how reliable any of that information is, but it is a whole lot more than even the Adobe site mentions. I'm kind of irritated by all of these signs and messages which claim 'the wait is over'. That is like saying it's Christmas even though it is only December 20th.

burningwheel
Apr 12, 2002, 01:38 PM
macwarehouse says ps7 ships on april 19

what if you don't install 10.1.3 and then install 10.1.4, do you get the benefits (so to speak) of 10.1.3? sorry if i'm naive, but i've been out of touch for a while. heck i'm still using 8.6 on a 8500/120! but i just did get new quicksilver 2002 but can't use it yet.

kishba
Apr 12, 2002, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by burningwheel
macwarehouse says ps7 ships on april 19

what if you don't install 10.1.3 and then install 10.1.4, do you get the benefits (so to speak) of 10.1.3? sorry if i'm naive, but i've been out of touch for a while. heck i'm still using 8.6 on a 8500/120! but i just did get new quicksilver 2002 but can't use it yet.

why can't you use it yet?

sparkleytone
Apr 12, 2002, 04:27 PM
10.1.4 will not be the demoed OS X at WWDC. Apple has been touting the next "major upgrade" to OS X. Double dot releases are anything but major.

King Cobra
Apr 12, 2002, 04:37 PM
Since 10.2 will not be around for a while, then let's go with the 10.1.4 update.

I am looking forward for Apple to fix the problem with dial-up net service.
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britboy
Apr 12, 2002, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by burningwheel
macwarehouse says ps7 ships on april 19

what if you don't install 10.1.3 and then install 10.1.4, do you get the benefits (so to speak) of 10.1.3? sorry if i'm naive, but i've been out of touch for a while. heck i'm still using 8.6 on a 8500/120! but i just did get new quicksilver 2002 but can't use it yet.

each update builds upon the improvements made in the previous version. So any improvements in 10.1.3 will also be there in 10.1.4 (or whatever they release next).

bretm
Apr 12, 2002, 07:35 PM
Originally posted by trilogic


I second that, allthough I'd like to see "spring folders" in OSX.whatever soon. Ah and yes, when does GoLive 6 ship?

Ah, GoLive shipped roughly 6 weeks ago. GoGet yours now!

gopher
Apr 12, 2002, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by mac15
that suck I was hoping they would preview OS X.2
but apple have nevere gone to a #.4 update before
I doubt the update very much

And don't forget 6.0.4. Apple jumped the #.4 on 7.5, and went from 7.5.3 to 7.5.5. Though there is an interesting screenshot of 7.5.4 on

http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/images/os754_IIci.gif

G4scott
Apr 12, 2002, 10:58 PM
who cares about a .4 update, it's still an update, with either bug fixes, or new features. This is still good. It's better to have 10.1.4 than not to have 10.2...

I think that the new version of Apache will find its way into 10.1.4, and maybe some other smaller features, or even spring-loaded folders, but you know how Apple is, and they may make a big deal out of spring loaded folders in 10.2, so who knows? If you do know, then speak up!

Choppaface
Apr 12, 2002, 11:28 PM
as long as I have my photoshop I dont care what version of X it is :D :D

I could almost use a PhotoOS :D :D

FelixDerKater
Apr 12, 2002, 11:58 PM
Well, I have been reading the forums for a while, and finally decided to sign up to start posting. :D

As far as I remember, the 7.5.4 update was going to be released, but there were some sort of bugs in the installer, so they fixed the installer and renamed it 7.5.5.

Hemingray
Apr 13, 2002, 01:28 AM
Good to have you posting, Felix!

You guys, don't forget 9.0.4.

From the sounds of it, mac15 was talking about a x.4 update (not x.x.4), which is a totally different case altogether!

Martino
Apr 13, 2002, 08:09 AM
Would the 10.1.4 update contain the Apache 2.x server? I would really like that...

ibjoshua
Apr 13, 2002, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by Martino
Would the 10.1.4 update contain the Apache 2.x server? I would really like that...

i don't think so, i wouldn't hold my breath for it in 10.2 either.
apache 2 is not long out of beta.

has anyone else noticed slower boot times since going to 10.1.3?

i'm surprised there's so much talk about 10.2 or 10.4 for that matter.


bring on OS XI !

dantec
Apr 13, 2002, 04:15 PM
Amazing...

This morning I started up my iBook & my Powermac at the same time. I have a quicksilver (867) & a iBook 366.

Amazingly the iBook started up faster (by about 15 ) seconds ahead of the G4. This is by the way not affected to memory size. Mac OS 10 doesn't check your memory when you start up whatsoever!

dantec
Apr 13, 2002, 04:18 PM
And a tip for all of you:

Mac OS 10 does a really basic scan of the startup disk when it starts up (avoids the fsck command). To avoid this type this in the terminal:

sudo root
fastboot

Your computer will restart and a file will be created in the root of your startup disk named "fastboot". To stop the fastboot just trash the file.

dantec
Apr 13, 2002, 04:20 PM
Oh and one last thing:

What is pumacodes url?

gopher
Apr 13, 2002, 05:03 PM
It still took about 50 seconds to startup my Mac from a cold start after having done fastboot. Also fastboot doesn't work unless you just type:

sudo fastboot all on one line. At least not on 10.1.3. Only do this while no other program is running, as it literaly reboots your machine without going through the regular shutdown procedure. Not a good thing to do!

Originally posted by dantec
And a tip for all of you:

Mac OS 10 does a really basic scan of the startup disk when it starts up (avoids the fsck command). To avoid this type this in the terminal:

sudo root
fastboot

Your computer will restart and a file will be created in the root of your startup disk named "fastboot". To stop the fastboot just trash the file.

PumaCode
Apr 13, 2002, 07:26 PM
Dantec and all, let's keep that a secret ;)

Xapplimatic
Apr 14, 2002, 10:55 AM
I thought everyone knew that _._.x updates were never major things. I wouldn't expect more in the update than a few new device drivers, probable inclusion of the new ATI drivers which were just put out, and some bug squashes. Don't expect any new features or major optimizations. That's usually reserved for _.x updates.

I would comment however that Rage 128 Pro users (mostly g3 iMacs) will notice a speedup in window scrolling etc if they hadn't already put in the new ATI drivers. As it stands under 10.1.3 with the new ATI drivers, the windows scroll very smooth except for the pauses for displaying areas containing files not previously seen yet (when the disk is thrashing to cache icon info).

TechLarry
Apr 15, 2002, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by gopher


And don't forget 6.0.4. Apple jumped the #.4 on 7.5, and went from 7.5.3 to 7.5.5. Though there is an interesting screenshot of 7.5.4 on

http://home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/images/os754_IIci.gif

7.5.4 was not a general distribution build. It was special-purpose, but I'll be damned if I can remember what it was for.

TL

Mr. Anderson
Apr 15, 2002, 12:45 PM
With the announcement that the newest version of OSX is going to be a 'sneak peak' at the WWDC Keynote, I'd be more inclined to believe that this rumor is valid. We'll just have to wait and see if the release is actually done this week.

And I wouldn't expect to see OSX.2 at WWDC now. It will probably be released later, possibly MWNY.

FattyMembrane
Apr 15, 2002, 02:31 PM
i appologize for being late in this post, but i have another question about boot times. my imac 500 takes about 2-2.5 minutes to do a cold start and even then, i have to wait about a minute or two before i launch any programs, otherwise, it takes forever for an application to launch. for example, omniweb usually takes about 10-12 seconds to launch for the first time, but if i try to launch it (or any other app) right after a restart/reboot, it will take about a minute for the blinking arrow to stop and another 30 seconds for the browser window to appear. do others have this problem, or is my computer really messed up?

kishba
Apr 15, 2002, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by FattyMembrane
i appologize for being late in this post, but i have another question about boot times. my imac 500 takes about 2-2.5 minutes to do a cold start and even then, i have to wait about a minute or two before i launch any programs, otherwise, it takes forever for an application to launch. for example, omniweb usually takes about 10-12 seconds to launch for the first time, but if i try to launch it (or any other app) right after a restart/reboot, it will take about a minute for the blinking arrow to stop and another 30 seconds for the browser window to appear. do others have this problem, or is my computer really messed up?

i have the same problem on my g4 867... i guess it does something in the background during the first few minutes of logging in