Apple Pro Employee Salaries

[brandon1040]

Does anyone know how much Apple Employees make? I am considering getting a degree in Computer Science.

I am NOT limiting myself just to Apple, however that would be the most preferred company.

Specifically how much would a starting Software Engineer make? Or something close.

Also if you have other salaries from other Apple Positions or Other companies, feel free to post.

[twoodcc]

i highly doubt anyone will post that information on here

[JNB]

CEO makes $1 per year...

[CalBoy]

CEO makes $1 per year...

Followed by millions in stock options ;) I believe that arrangement allows him to skirt standard income tax rates and social security.

OP, your best bet would be to ask people in the field. It's highly unlikely that you'll find an Apple employee on these forums (it's against Apple's policy). I'm sure that Apple pays at around the industry average (with perks like free hardware/software and such).

[cmm]

Why can't apple employees be on this site?

FWIW: google employees make about 30k a year. even the top. but they are paper millionaires.

Stock options are much more important than your salary as a CS or computer engineer

[iPhil]

Does anyone know how much Apple Employees make? I am considering getting a degree in Computer Science.

I am NOT limiting myself just to Apple, however that would be the most preferred company.

Specifically how much would a starting Software Engineer make? Or something close.

Also if you have other salaries from other Apple Positions or Other companies, feel free to post.




Have a look Here on salary ranges (http://www.dice.com/) on those Hot tech jobs :eek:

[CalBoy]

Why can't apple employees be on this site?
It's against Apple's policy. Several forum members have left in the past because they've gotten jobs at Apple. I guess it prevents leaks from getting out.

FWIW: google employees make about 30k a year. even the top. but they are paper millionaires.
Google also offers some insane benefits (free meals, dry cleaning, vets, doctors, dentists, etc, IN HOUSE).

Stock options are much more important than your salary as a CS or computer engineer

Be careful with that logic, lest another dot com bust happen again ;)

[cmm]

Stop/loss order at 7%. ;-)

[CalBoy]

Stop/loss order at 7%. ;-)

:confused: Sorry, I'm not following.

[cmm]

:confused: Sorry, I'm not following.

I'm a day/swing trader. If I'm doing swing trades and the stock drops more than 7.0%, it is automatically sold by my broker. You can set automatic orders to do so. That's a stop/loss order. http://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/stop-lossorder.asp

I am assuming people can cash out when they work at a company if they like.

I bought GOOG on IPO day and it has been a successful venture. Just wish I had more money to put into it. :s

But there's always the emerging markets. ; -)

You own a macbook pro, by any chance? No one has bit at the questions I have asked in the buying forum and could use some advice before I drop 5-6k. I also need a nice set of speakers and an external HDD.

[CalBoy]

I'm a day/swing trader. If I'm doing swing trades and the stock drops more than 7.0%, it is automatically sold by my broker. You can set automatic orders to do so. That's a stop/loss order. http://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/stop-lossorder.asp

I am assuming people can cash out when they work at a company if they like.

I bought GOOG on IPO day and it has been a successful venture. Just wish I had more money to put into it. :s

But there's always the emerging markets. ; -)

You own a macbook pro, by any chance? No one has bit at the questions I have asked in the buying forum and could use some advice before I drop 5-6k. I also need a nice set of speakers and an external HDD.

Ahh, I see what you meant. Nonetheless, many of those programmers during the dot com bubble kept thinking that the good times would never end, and that's where trouble begins ;)

PS: I'm looking for your question in the Buying Tips forum right now :)

[synth3tik]

To be honest all entry level jobs will pay little. People fresh out of college make enough to pay rent and their student loans. My advice would be to get a job doing some computer stuff while you are in school. That way you have work experience.

[cmm]

Ahh, I see what you meant. Nonetheless, many of those programmers during the dot com bubble kept thinking that the good times would never end, and that's where trouble begins ;)

PS: I'm looking for your question in the Buying Tips forum right now :)

Well, that's their stupidity.

[Rodimus Prime]

To be honest all entry level jobs will pay little. People fresh out of college make enough to pay rent and their student loans. My advice would be to get a job doing some computer stuff while you are in school. That way you have work experience.

what are you smoking if you think that. I graduated in Dec and yes I am looking for a job and for me it is $45k/year plus benefits before I even will talk with you and I am not making any insane demands there. That is below average for my degree starting. 50-52k being more in the norm. I have friends who will not talk to a company for less than 75k and that is not insane to demand. that is the competitive rate for his major.

For CS I would be expecting at least 50k a year but I do not know that major as well as others. I do expect it to be higher than mine.

As for my personally major it is Construction Engineering Technology. I am in the college of Engineering so that should explain why much higher than average expecting starting pay.

[cmm]

Heh, my friend (not recommending this) works for AT&T. He lied about having a BS in CS and makes 80k a year. Been there about 4 years. Granted it is in DC, but it's still a lot of money.

He was offered a huge promotion (120k a year), but he'd have to commute to NYC and DC back and forth bi-weekly and take on some management duties, so he turned it down.

He does this as he studies for his degree in philosophy.

[Rodimus Prime]

Heh, my friend (not recommending this) works for AT&T. He lied about having a BS in CS and makes 80k a year. Been there about 4 years. Granted it is in DC, but it's still a lot of money.

He was offered a huge promotion (120k a year), but he'd have to commute to NYC and DC back and forth bi-weekly and take on some management duties, so he turned it down.

He does this as he studies for his degree in philosophy.

ooo I strongly recommend against every pulling a stunt like that. Lying on ones resume is great way to get oneself fired. If they ever back check him they can and a lot of the time will fire him on the spot. It speaks volumes about integrity.

Your friend better pray they never back check him and right now they have grounds for termination. No unemployment can be collect. No severance package. Nothing. Oh and this can always be used against him as long as he works for ATT

[cmm]

ooo I strongly recommend against every pulling a stunt like that. Lying on ones resume is great way to get oneself fired. If they ever back check him they can and a lot of the time will fire him on the spot. It speaks volumes about integrity.

Your friend better pray they never back check him and right now they have grounds for termination. No unemployment can be collect. No severance package. Nothing. Oh and this can always be used against him as long as he works for ATT
They did an initial background check when he applied for the position. Passed.

He registered and took classes at said college, but didn't get a degree. Probably why he passed.

He doesn't care if he gets fired. His SO makes 50k and he's doing his doctorate in philosophy right now.

[Rodimus Prime]

They did an initial background check when he applied for the position. Passed.

He registered and took classes at said college, but didn't get a degree. Probably why he passed.

He doesn't care if he gets fired. His SO makes 50k and he's doing his doctorate in philosophy right now.

background checks and back checking are 2 different things. Every company does a background check. Now all of them will back check things on resumes. 2 very different things.

Also everyone needs to remember companies talk.

[cmm]

He's been with the company for years now. Offered management jobs. Turned them down. I'm sure they've done all the checking they can do.

And do you keep missing the part where he is getting his PhD in philosophy? He's going into an academic career - has no desire to work in CS, it just pays bills better than other jobs and he has the equivalent of a MS in it.

[twoodcc]

well this time next year i'll hopefully be looking for a job in the IT field.

[CashGap]

He's been with the company for years now. Offered management jobs. Turned them down. I'm sure they've done all the checking they can do.

Lot's of people thought that. Oops... they were wrong.

And do you keep missing the part where he is getting his PhD in philosophy?

No, I caught the irony. So basically in a few years he'll be lecturing on integrity at a university. Nice.

[Rodimus Prime]

Lot's of people thought that. Oops... they were wrong.



No, I caught the irony. So basically in a few years he'll be lecturing on integrity at a university. Nice.


sad isnt it. A unethical person trying to teach ethics and integrity. If I was his boss and found out about what he did I would fire him on the spot. All his integrity is shot.

As I said before he better pray they never go back and check on his resume if he was lying because they can and will fire him if they find out and it will haunt him from that day forward.

[cmm]

Lot's of people thought that. Oops... they were wrong.



No, I caught the irony. So basically in a few years he'll be lecturing on integrity at a university. Nice.

First, morals and ethics are totally subjective.

Second, that's not his research interest: he's interested in artificial intelligence, viz., the singularity.

sad isnt it. A unethical person trying to teach ethics and integrity. If I was his boss and found out about what he did I would fire him on the spot. All his integrity is shot.

As I said before he better pray they never go back and check on his resume if he was lying because they can and will fire him if they find out and it will haunt him from that day forward.

First, it wouldn't haunt him.

Second, have you ever lied?

He has been at the job for years - so obviously he must know a thing or two about CS or he wouldn't have lasted long.

Third, you're not his boss - evidently, they're too stupid to know he never got a bachelors degree.

Fourth, he's only interested in the ethics of AI vs humans. And once again, ethics and morality are totally subjective.

[flopticalcube]

what are you smoking if you think that. I graduated in Dec and yes I am looking for a job and for me it is $45k/year plus benefits before I even will talk with you and I am not making any insane demands there. That is below average for my degree starting. 50-52k being more in the norm. I have friends who will not talk to a company for less than 75k and that is not insane to demand. that is the competitive rate for his major.

For CS I would be expecting at least 50k a year but I do not know that major as well as others. I do expect it to be higher than mine.

As for my personally major it is Construction Engineering Technology. I am in the college of Engineering so that should explain why much higher than average expecting starting pay.

I agree. I was making 40K a year 20 years ago when I left uni (BEng).

[illegalprelude]

like others said, Apple Employees are instructed to steer clear of these sites, due to rumors and leaks.

As for salary, like others said, anywhere from $1 to im sure a few million for some of the other in 3rd and 4th command

[lord patton]

If this philosophy PhD candidate has been offered multiple promotions, then I guarantee you his bosses don't give a **** what kind of degree he has. They want someone they can depend on, and they'll pay for it.

If he were to continue in the field, yes, there is a chance it could haunt him. When you are recruited for higher level executive positions, the head-hunters and HR reps will likely check on your resume—it's just a simple call to the registrar.

But if he were to tell his bosses tomorrow that he lied on the application, they'd tell him to shut up and get back to work. Good management does not throw away good workers... they know everything they need to about his ethics from how he's performed for them since the day he was hired.

[Rodimus Prime]

If this philosophy PhD candidate has been offered multiple promotions, then I guarantee you his bosses don't give a **** what kind of degree he has. They want someone they can depend on, and they'll pay for it.

If he were to continue in the field, yes, there is a chance it could haunt him. When you are recruited for higher level executive positions, the head-hunters and HR reps will likely check on your resume—it's just a simple call to the registrar.

But if he were to tell his bosses tomorrow that he lied on the application, they'd tell him to shut up and get back to work. Good management does not throw away good workers... they know everything they need to about his ethics from how he's performed for them since the day he was hired.

it might depend on the career field. In mine reputation is everything and being found out that some one lied on their resume is a huge dent in the person reputation. Even if the person was a great employee the lack of integerty there is enough for grounds of firing.

If att ever gets into hard times they can lay him off and not have to pay unemployment on him. So if times get hard might as well remove a one employee cost and not have to pay any severance package. For some one of his cost that would be around 100k a year saving right there. All his salary and benifit cost are now saved. (compared to other employee where you still have to pay a certain % of the salary and benefits for a while to come)

You will be surprise at how much stuff get by and they never beck check it. They assume the person is telling the truth in the interviews. It just speaks volumes about a person if they pull a stunt like that. To me the integrity of the person and all his work is now in question. But like I said I am going into a field where reputation is everything.

[robbieduncan]

To be honest all entry level jobs will pay little. People fresh out of college make enough to pay rent and their student loans. My advice would be to get a job doing some computer stuff while you are in school. That way you have work experience.

You must be joking. Graduate with a real CS degree (i.e. be able to program in 3+ languages, do proper software design and analyse the system at a mathematical level) and you should be able to earn a decent salary straight away. When I graduated (7 years ago) I was earning about the same as either of my parents from day-1.

Edit to add: What I've heard is that Apple employees are not amongst the highest paid the work demands can be quite high.

[CalBoy]

You must be joking. Graduate with a real CS degree (i.e. be able to program in 3+ languages, do proper software design and analyse the system at a mathematical level) and you should be able to earn a decent salary straight away. When I graduated (7 years ago) I was earning about the same as either of my parents from day-1.

Starting salaries have calmed down since then (if you'll remember, 7 years ago was in the 'bubble').

Nonetheless, a programmer will have a starting salary that is much higher than the average salary of most average workers, so it isn't as bad as it seems.

[Rodimus Prime]

You must be joking. Graduate with a real CS degree (i.e. be able to program in 3+ languages, do proper software design and analyse the system at a mathematical level) and you should be able to earn a decent salary straight away. When I graduated (7 years ago) I was earning about the same as either of my parents from day-1.

Edit to add: What I've heard is that Apple employees are not amongst the highest paid the work demands can be quite high.

I would be surprised that apple employees are paid less and the work is high demand. Apple can get away with it because they are apple and they can fill a lot of those spots with people who just want to work for them and pay is not high on the list. While I do expect their rates are competivie I do think they are on the lower side of the scale.
Apple is going to be among the few companies after mac programmers and they get to play with the lack of a better term "fan boy" card to pay a low side.

I do know CS guys get paid more than I do starting. Also remember when some one paying a very high starting they own you.

[kellah]

If you're good and you're ambitious you can definitely get 40-50k right outta school with a CS degree.

[CalBoy]

If you're good and you're ambitious you can definitely get 40-50k right outta school with a CS degree.

That's a terrible salary in most tech-rich areas. The cost of living in the Bay Area for rent, insurance, etc is above $34,000 alone. Add student loan debt and the fact that you want to live comfortably, and the salary looks sad from that perspective. Heck, teachers in the Bay Area (if they're in a decent district) usually start at around $45k. (just to put some perspective on things).

[illegalprelude]

You must be joking. Graduate with a real CS degree (i.e. be able to program in 3+ languages, do proper software design and analyse the system at a mathematical level) and you should be able to earn a decent salary straight away. When I graduated (7 years ago) I was earning about the same as either of my parents from day-1.

Edit to add: What I've heard is that Apple employees are not amongst the highest paid the work demands can be quite high.

its true

[miken79]

what are you smoking if you think that. I graduated in Dec and yes I am looking for a job and for me it is $45k/year plus benefits before I even will talk with you and I am not making any insane demands there. That is below average for my degree starting. 50-52k being more in the norm. I have friends who will not talk to a company for less than 75k and that is not insane to demand. that is the competitive rate for his major.

For CS I would be expecting at least 50k a year but I do not know that major as well as others. I do expect it to be higher than mine.

As for my personally major it is Construction Engineering Technology. I am in the college of Engineering so that should explain why much higher than average expecting starting pay.

One factor is your current location. My state's job market for Computer Science is very low. Therefore, there are not very many high paying entry level jobs for this field. However, leaving state would bring better opportunities for me. The last time I checked, the national average salary for a CompSci degree was in the $50k range. Unfortunately, I am currently below that average.