Rip-proof CD's are on the way

[MacBytes]

Category: News and Press Releases
Link: Rip-proof CD's are on the way (http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/ptech/09/10/bus2.feat.cd.save/index.html)

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[chadfromdallas]

Yea, right. :rolleyes: No CD is rip-proof. If a CD-Rom reads it, it can be ripped.

[Nermal]

Even if a CD-ROM can't read it, you could still run an analogue cable from a standalone CD player and rip it that way. These so called "rip-proof" CDs are no better protected than the "impossible to copy" DVDs we have today. I believe it takes 4 lines of code to decrypt a DVD :rolleyes:

[TwitchOSX]

The Music industry is all ass-backwards. Imagine if starting tomorrow, every single audio CD that was made had some copy protection on it. Thats like giving 300 - 400 million dollars for protected CD's. In turn, this jacks the already god awfull CD prices even higher. GUESS WHAT? People dont want to buy CD's anymore. They want to purchase it online. Why the **** would I pay $15.00 for a CD for 3 tracks that I really like when I could pay $.99 for each track from iTunes? Or for that matter, $9.95 for the entire album and what.. $.35 for a CD. So, I can get the exact same thing minus the case for like $10.30. Hmm.. me thinks CD sales will continue to decline. I am willing to bet a large amount of money that when iTunes comes out for Windows, and as long as Apple's servers can hold it and doesnt crash immediately from 10 million songs being downloaded in the first day, that CD sales are going to go to ****. Why do these companies continue to invest HALF OF A BILLION dollars on something that is obviously going down! Why dont they team up with Apple, say you buy 10 albums worth of music, and get a 20 stack of CD's free! Its like.. DUH. But these people have thier heads stuck so far up thier asses they cant see the real potential of the internet. Besides, I remember when DVD's were NOT able to be pirated. But then one guy, figured it out. About 60 lines of code did the trick and that opened the flood gates. People will always pirate from now on. There is no stopping it. But, making it cheaper and easier for them to pay for it legally will save the music industry's ass. I dont remember the music industry going after people that copied tapes back in the day and gave them to a friend. Why? Because it was a pain in the ass and took so long to do. But now, its quick and easy. Either way, the music industry does not need to spend half a billion dollars in anti CD piracy ****. I would say.. spend half that one anti CD piracy protection and the other half in Apple.

[theipodgod16]

as if suing their own customers wasnt enough, this is whats next? they rip proof my cds, i say see ya! im not paying a cent more to support this disgusting corporation. from now on, its only used cds for me. heheh i cant wait to see the downfall....

ps, u folks realize, no rip no ipod right? if that happened, there would be flaming F*****G riots in front of RIAA headquarters.

[Mudbug]

Originally posted by theipodgod16
ps, u folks realize, no rip no ipod right? if that happened, there would be flaming F*****G riots in front of RIAA headquarters.

You do realize that our friends at Apple would really like you to use the iTMS to obtain your musical selections for importing onto your ipod, instead of ripping new CD's you purchased from someone else, right?

I think that now there are becoming viable online options for obtaining music, then the life of the CD as we have known it as a vehicle for music distribution is coming to a close. Encode it for protection any way you want. For the most part, it's headed the way of the dinosaur.

and one more thing - I know this is a hotbutton topic, and we have a filter, but can you guys try to hold down the language? thx.

[theipodgod16]

i apologize if i insulted anybody with my previous post

[balconycollapse]

audio hijack pro game over...consumers still win

[balconycollapse]

hmm...let me rant some...sorry for the lack of punctuation structure

it is my feeling that the apple ipod would not be a commercial success had it not been for file trading networks (p2p) and the ability to rip cds....with that said...if digital downloads become the norm which i hope they will apple will still be fine because the ipod is "meant" for that...what i find vexing and hypocritical is that recent article in WIRED about the company Big Champagne which collects realtime data of downloads from p2p by using the first digits of ip addresses to figure out by zipcode who is downloading what and where...and furthermore the RIAA members are lining up to purchase this data...not so much to target the users...but to find out more about their demographic...the magazine gives examples that if they know that for some reason people in atlanta are downloading tons of norah jones songs then her managment will get a call and they will change their previously scheduled trip to maybe florida for a concert to atlanta...or add a date...based on this data...or call every radio station and tell them to start spinning her records and fax them the data....or even more annoying they might find that each person who grabbed norah jones also had at least 1 john mayer song...so guess whos the next opening act for norah jones around the panhandle....basically artists don't make anymoney from record deals unless they are one of those absurd chart toppers of which there are maybe a few that can make it on just the sales...(i'm rehashing info from DIY websites about bands etc articles i've read)..the rest are left to make their buck from touring...and if they do a succesful tour will net almost 100 percent profit and the vendor/concert hall/ everyone involved makes out like a bandit even at 20 dollar seats...so then...what more beneficial to the record company...a possibly 50 percent decline in cd sales to gain extremely valuable demographic info that will allow their artists to make alot more money on the road...make radio call ins exponentially more effective...figure out statistically instead of guessing the "hot" value of an artist...save tons of marketing dollars not polishing a turd...and still sell a bunch of cds at exorbent prices...perhaps only putting the ones they know are going to sell in stores in a certain area...so i ask...why are they then suing downloaders to deter them from adding to their demograph data? and why on earth would they make uncopyable cds? its to the record industries advantage to have file trading..."uncopyable" cds will just throw a possible new and effective business model i just stated into the trash...no matter what happens apple will laugh all the way to the bank...ohh...microsoft released more bad news about security leaks...that mac doesn't look so bad afterall :) rant is over....officially...right ........now

[the future]

If the copy protection will be the same as in Europe or Japan (and according to the article it will be, though apparently a 'better version'), it's a joke and nothing to worry about.

I personally don't think the CD as a medium of music distribution is over yet as for me and probably a lot of other folks mp3s (or aacs) just do not sound as good as cd-quality audio, especially on a home system. For mobile systems like the iPod they are great, though. If/When online distribution channels like iTMS will let you download aiffs, it's a whole different story, if your internet connection is fast enough to download them in a speedy manner. But even then IMO the CD won't go away if the record companys follow Universal and just make CDs cheaper, which they should have done a long time ago.

[Jerry Spoon]

Guess I'll just have to buy most of my music on line....oh....I'm doing that anyway...;)

[bosskxx1]

Didn't they already do this?
If I remember correctly those protected CD were defeated by just using a black felt marker.

[aarond12]

There have been several methods of copy protection, including the one that was defeatable by using a black marker.

What the music industry has to understand is there is no infallable copy protection. As long as a stand-alone CD player can play the disc, line outs can be put into a sound card and recorded. Yes, this is not a bit-perfect copy, but it circumvents any copy protection they may put on the disc.

Even before DVD rippers were available, I could take the output from my DVD player, put it into a Sony DVMC-DA2 Firewire CODEC box, and could copy DVDs if I wished. Same theory.

Hey RIAA! There is an easier way: Make the CDs cheaper so people are more likely to purchase them! Don't spend millions of dollars trying to find the perfect copy protection scheme. It will never exist. Lower the price of CDs. If you REALLY want to shake things up, lower the price of CDs below what the on-line retailers sell them for!

[mactastic]

The reality is that this industry needs to find a new business model to succeed. They were basically blindsided by Napster, although anyone with a little foresight should have seen that coming once CD burners emerged. They need to offer something you can't get on a P2P or online store. Videos with the music, more live performances by the artists, extra stuff in the jewel case... something to make it worth buying from them. Albumns just shouldn't cost more than $10.

One of my friends father still has the Cheech and Chong albumn (record) that came with the giant rolling paper. It's classic!

[-hh]

Originally posted by aarond12
What the music industry has to understand is there is no infallable copy protection. As long as a stand-alone CD player can play the disc, line outs can be put into a sound card and recorded. Yes, this is not a bit-perfect copy, but it circumvents any copy protection they may put on the disc.

Exactly. Considering that a $30 portable CD player is 95% of the necessary hardware investment to augment your PC, going the "pipe it analog" route pays for itself in but two ...count 'em two!... full-priced CD's.



Hey RIAA! There is an easier way: Make the CDs cheaper so people are more likely to purchase them! Don't spend millions of dollars trying to find the perfect copy protection scheme. It will never exist. Lower the price of CDs.

Exactly. When a private party can make a one-off duplicate of a hugely mass-produced product, you know that the basic rules of a free and open marketplace have broken down.

The RIAA's nothing more than a Monopoly who's illegally exercising their monopoly powers to prop up their prices, and they bought the Digital Millenium Act through political donations.

If the RIAA want to know why my personal CD purchases have dropped by 99%, its because this consumer would rather boycott their products instead of endorsing and subsidizing their greed. Its not because I rip or steal music, because I don't.

If the RIAA doesn't want to believe me, here's a "put up or shut up" bet: the RIAA puts up a $50,000 bond for the right to scan my computer's hard drives: if they find any of their musical property, I'll pay them $1000 per track. But if they can't find any, then I get to keep their $50K bond.


-hh

[pgwalsh]

Instead of the companies wasting money and pissing off consumers by adding copy protection they should lower CD prices and downloadable music prices should be cut in half.

By adding copy protection they're doing two really bad things.

1.) Raising the cost of the CD and they'll use that very reason to justify it.

2.) They're going to make people really upset and they will buy less.

I don't share music on P2P and I have lots of CD's... But I like to make my own comps for my car and home stereo. If I couldn't do that, I wouldn't by the CD's anymore.

[Physiognome]

Universal just lowered the price of their CDs... but I don't think the problem is solely one of price.

It's also of convenience. Rather sadly, some of the current generation of consumers find it 'easier' to spend an hour searching for an MP3 online then driving fifteen minutes to the local CD store and buying an album. If your tastes are eclectic or your local geography conspires against music purchases, it may genuinely be easier to do so.

The upside of this is that iTMS is even more convenient then P2P. :)


My very own justification for pirating is that I listen mostly to Japanese imports, and the vast majority of online retailers carry cheaper Taiwanese versions of the same albums. These are both illegally imported under the Berne Convention, and pay the artists only their cut of a small fixed fee worthy of distribution rights within a country of 22 million people.

I've tried asking whether the albums are the Japanese or Taiwanese versions, and have had two retailers lie to me. I've since stopped buying unless I can pick up the CDs and hold them in my hands. There's more kinds of piracy then copyright infringement.

Okay, moronic tangent's done with. :rolleyes:

[Genie]

You guys are totally right.

The music industry is rudderless.

THIS is a much better way to go IMHO:

http://www.nilssonmedia.com/artistsponsor.com

[bennetsaysargh]

if they're rip proof, there will be riot, and apple will attempt to do something.
iTunes = Rip + Burn + Mix.
teens who don't have credit cards (like me) might have to use CDs and buy them. Rip Burn Mix will be dead, and then the PC zealots will get on our case.

there will defiantly be a way around it. Before i posted just now, and read this thread, i though, hey, i can analog it through if i want.

[MrMacMan]

Originally posted by Nermal
Even if a CD-ROM can't read it, you could still run an analogue cable from a standalone CD player and rip it that way. These so called "rip-proof" CDs are no better protected than the "impossible to copy" DVDs we have today. I believe it takes 4 lines of code to decrypt a DVD :rolleyes:

Haha DeCSS took alot more then that.

If it was 4 lines of code that would be like a non-encrytion.


Arg, more disks that can't be regullary playied in computers like the old copy protection.

bAH

[cb911]

can rip-proof CD's save the music biz? NOPE! no one wants to buy a CD they can't rip, everyone would just start a mass boycott of rip-proff CD's.

i just hope that the iTMS gets to Australia fast!;) :D