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MacRumors
Sep 11, 2003, 12:49 AM
PowerPage.org provides (http://www.powerpage.org/cgi-bin/WebObjects/powerpage.woa/wa/story?newsID=11378) Part 2 of their previous report (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/09/20030909131732.shtml) and expect 1.25GHz speeds with a 15.4" -- (while our own sources (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/08/20030822013250.shtml) claimed 15.2".)

The most interesting note is that they expect Dual G4s PowerBooks to arrive before the G5 makes its way into the PowerBook.

In Part I (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2003/09/20030909131732.shtml), PowerPage previously reported that they did not feel that PowerBook revisions were likely at Apple Expo next week.



e-coli
Sep 11, 2003, 12:58 AM
nice!

That's what I would love to have. Even more so than a G5 powerbook. Dualies with OS X is so nice.

theipodgod16
Sep 11, 2003, 12:59 AM
well, it would be a partial explanation as to the delays (need 2x as many processors as previous incarnations of powerbook g4)

Waluigi
Sep 11, 2003, 01:05 AM
There have been numerous dual G4 powerbook rumors in the past. Is there any more validity to this one?

--Waluigi

noverflow
Sep 11, 2003, 01:25 AM
I hope not, that just seems like a means to stalling. The power consumption on them would be huge. then you would have to have it so that it was only a dual when it was plugged-in. Also the felt heat from one of those cpus is enough for me, they would be too hot for me when i was using it plugged in and on my lap. The metal case transfers too much heat to the user.

ELYXR
Sep 11, 2003, 01:55 AM
Originally posted by noverflow
I hope not, that just seems like a means to stalling. The power consumption on them would be huge. then you would have to have it so that it was only a dual when it was plugged-in. Also the felt heat from one of those cpus is enough for me, they would be too hot for me when i was using it plugged in and on my lap. The metal case transfers too much heat to the user.

I agree with the heat issue. We had a 12" PB demo at the Apple reseller I used to work for. The Apple reps told us to uninstall the multimedia software demo because it would make the chassis too hot to touch over the left hand rest. That is where the **harddrive** is located on the 12". I hope they can pull off dualies though, Apple has to come out with something really awesome after the G5 towers, and they know it! If they could get the heat down, I'd buy one in a second.

As far as the power issue, I disagree. I think if one CPU worked on battery power and gave you 5 hours of life and dual procs yielded 3 hours, that would be pretty cool. Remember, a lot of the juice is getting used to power the LCD screen. My $.02

CmdrLaForge
Sep 11, 2003, 02:10 AM
Hi ,

I read an interesting article about Moto working on a G4 with a dual core. That means one processor with two cores. Its like a two processors in one. Maybe thats the way they make it.

Cheers

panphage
Sep 11, 2003, 04:05 AM
Originally posted by CmdrLaForge
Hi ,

I read an interesting article about Moto working on a G4 with a dual core. That means one processor with two cores. Its like a two processors in one. Maybe thats the way they make it.

Cheers

BwAAAAAAAAHAAAHAAAA!!!! Oh, man, that's one of the funniest things I've heard all month. Let's wait and see the 7457's, that were announced for Q4, then stated to be available early (Mid-August) and I guess now are on for Q4 again, before we start looking for dual cores. Maybe Moto will have that legendary dual-core part available NEXT October(at a zippy 1.5GHz!!!!) Maybe Microsoft will go Open Source and maybe, just maybe, Amiga will come back strong and take 90% marketshare. As long as we're dreaming...

byteborg
Sep 11, 2003, 04:50 AM
Originally posted by CmdrLaForge
Hi ,

I read an interesting article about Moto working on a G4 with a dual core. That means one processor with two cores. Its like a two processors in one. Maybe thats the way they make it.

Cheers

In fact, IBM's POWER4 (their workstation pendant to G5) should be a twin-core on one dye.

Due to IBM's heavy involvement in Development of the G5 PowerMac, I guess that Motorola's days are over. The announcement at the latest trade show in Frankfurt, Germany, was that IBM produces the CPUs and the chip set for the G5 platform.

Regards,
/k

Vroem
Sep 11, 2003, 06:05 AM
I guess there is some logic.
Motorola made the 7457s available earlier than expected.
But there is a shortage of 15-inch LCDs, so the powerbooks are delayed
Apple has more processors and less screens
Since the 7457 has a very low consuption they put two of them in one powerbook.
If this is true then Apple must have known for a long time that there was a shortage on LCDs.

dietsoda
Sep 11, 2003, 06:11 AM
I suppose this could explain the delay, and even if they were ready, maybe Steve wanted to wait to announce them himself. There really is no way to navigate through all of these contradicting rumors. It's now been so long that I'm hoping to make do with a lime green ibook from work untill we see a G5 PB.

Stella
Sep 11, 2003, 06:15 AM
ROTFL.

If ONE of these PB rumours come true, Rumour sites had BETTER NOT CONGRATULATE themselves for getting it right... they've got almost daily predictions.. they can't fail to be wrong one of these days...

Anyway, dual processor PB?? Seriously this would be a major battery drainer? How long would the batteries not last?

bluedalmatian
Sep 11, 2003, 06:45 AM
" Seriously this would be a major battery drainer? How long would the batteries not last?"

Probably about as long as my Dell laptop - 90 minutes LOL

Its only got 1 processor but it has got dual fans:D

tpjunkie
Sep 11, 2003, 07:14 AM
w00t! another powerbook rumor! At this point I think we have heard every possible permutation of hardware for the upcoming revision.

Vroem
Sep 11, 2003, 07:17 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but I read on this motorola.com page (http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/news/detail/0,1958,2322_1901_23,00.html) ...
The MPC7457 and MPC7447 can perform at 1 GHz while consuming less than 10 Watts, making them ideal for high-performance, power dissipation-sensitive applications such as network control plane processing.
When I read the posts I start to think this is not true, but if it is, it would enable Apple to put two of them in one powerbook, wouldn't it?

AppleMatt
Sep 11, 2003, 07:45 AM
Originally posted by ELYXR
The Apple reps told us to uninstall the multimedia software demo because it would make the chassis too hot to touch over the left hand rest. That is where the CPU is located on the 12".

No, the CPU is located at the back of the machine just next to the graphics chip. The hard-drive is under the left palm rest, and it's the hard-drive which is causing most of the heat problems (along with the power-board), not the CPU.

AppleMatt

chazmox
Sep 11, 2003, 08:04 AM
This guy seems to be going for the MacWhisper's title - the above doesn't pass the common sense test.

1.) SARS really hasn't been an issue for 3 months now. It was a second quarter issue, not a third. Does anyone really think that Apple has had PowerBook intergration issues since the second quarter?

2.) What intergration issues would there be? I can't imagine much. The 7457 is a drop in replacement. The motherboard would not have to be modified on a large scale ( FW800, AE, etc. would be small local mods ) and most of the problems with the case would have been discovered in the 12 inch and 17 inch manufacturing introduction. Again, what issues would take since May??? And this would be after the product was released from design to manufacturing. A three month delay in startup - that seems very long.

And dual G4's easier to cool than a G5??? I doubt it...

crees!
Sep 11, 2003, 08:29 AM
Some of you are talking about battery life and dual PB's being impossible.. I know it's most likely not available yet (but who knows).. but fuel cells I've read have anywhere from 8-10 hour life to 40 hour battery life. Yes there is a stark difference between 10 and 40 hours but I read that somewhere.

x86isslow
Sep 11, 2003, 09:02 AM
NEC 40 hr laptop battery (http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103_2-1022130.html)

Sol
Sep 11, 2003, 09:09 AM
I do not think that dual G4 PowerBooks are impractical for technical reasons. These are portable processors and a second one would not dramatically increase the overall system heat or drain the battery much quicker. As someone allready mentioned on this thread, the hard drive and the screen are the biggest culprits in portable systems.

Anyway, the 17 inch PowerBook has enough room for an even bigger battery than most laptops and more fans.

One thing is for sure, OS X runs at its best with two processors and a 32MB graphics card.

e2chris
Sep 11, 2003, 09:11 AM
this dude worked for apple and thinks the CPU is under the left hand palm rest. WOW! I swear I have yet to meet anyone with any knowledge of anything at the Apple Stores.

e2chris
Sep 11, 2003, 09:16 AM
EOM

-hh
Sep 11, 2003, 09:38 AM
Hmmm...a DP Powerbook. I seem to recall predicting this awhile back as a way for Apple to work around MHz/GHz myth problems.


In any event, it does bring up a slightly different question:

Has anyone in the world sold a DP Notebook yet?

If not, then there's "bragging rights" to be had for the advertising and marketing departments to take advantage of.


It would also help redeem Steve's "Year of the Laptop" claim.



-hh

Powerbook G5
Sep 11, 2003, 09:45 AM
This is just like the week before WWDC...first the rumors of G5 PowerBooks, then the rumors of dual G4 PowerBooks...before too long I'll hear rumors of dual G5 PowerBooks then I'll know for sure that there is some seriously bad weed some people are smoking. Just eat a couple of carrots instead, for the love of God!

Sol
Sep 11, 2003, 09:56 AM
Originally posted by Powerbook G5
This is just like the week before WWDC...

At least no-one is talking about video iPods and how Apple has to release them before the competition beats them to it. What were they thinking? Until Apple does portable video no-one will care about such devices.

e2chris
Sep 11, 2003, 10:27 AM
For a year that is suppose to be the Year of the Laptop then it was a pretty lame year. I mean they didnt realese ****. If they did make a dual Powerbook that would not suprise me. Cause they havent done anything since the release of the 12 and 17. That was what in Jan?

Stella
Sep 11, 2003, 10:46 AM
Sorry, about the following...

WHY DO PEOPLE MISINTERRUPT STEVE'S "YEAR OF THE LAPTOP" QUOTE?????

Steve said it was the sales of Laptops that would make it the year of the laptop - and not what is coming....

He quite clearly said this back in January MWSF

Sol
Sep 11, 2003, 11:04 AM
Originally posted by Stella
Steve said it was the sales of Laptops that would make it the year of the laptop - and not what is coming....

Is the Year Of The Laptop a part of the Chinese calendar?

Just kidding. Seriously, I am sure laptop sales could have been a lot better this year if Apple updated the PowerBooks sooner. Whatever happened to the 15 inch PowerBook? In most of 2003 that one was the laptop Apple forgot about.

Anyway, Year Of The Laptop or not I am sure I speak for many when I say that the G5 PowerMac was the Apple product of the year.

e2chris
Sep 11, 2003, 11:05 AM
Well when I watched it. I took from it that this is the year when they make some cool laptops to the mainstream. Cause who the hell would want a powermac when all the hype about the G5 was coming. It turned out that this is more the year of the Powermac with the release of the new machines. I would watch the Keynote again but it locks up Quicktime everytime I click on the link. Thank god I have a windows machine that loads it fine. What is up with that?? I will watch it again and see what I have to say about this.

crees!
Sep 11, 2003, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by e2chris
For a year that is suppose to be the Year of the Laptop then it was a pretty lame year. I mean they didnt realese ****. If they did make a dual Powerbook that would not suprise me. Cause they havent done anything since the release of the 12 and 17. That was what in Jan?

"Year of the laptop"... hmm.. I would think the 1st 12" and the 1st 17" laptop would justify the "Y.O.T.L." statement. You guys read too much into things.

beefstu01
Sep 11, 2003, 11:40 AM
I kinda think this article is bogus. My favorite line goes like "Dual G4's first, then when they figure out how to cool it, a G5." Even though these might be laptop processors, I think that two G4's would have a lot more heat dissapated than a single G5. I might be wrong, but it just doesn't add up.

Bunzi2k4
Sep 11, 2003, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by noverflow
I hope not, that just seems like a means to stalling. The power consumption on them would be huge. then you would have to have it so that it was only a dual when it was plugged-in. Also the felt heat from one of those cpus is enough for me, they would be too hot for me when i was using it plugged in and on my lap. The metal case transfers too much heat to the user.
wasn't there a rumor about power cell laptop batteries...? that would be sweet

KLFloyd
Sep 11, 2003, 11:57 AM
I don't know what to make of all these Laptop rumors. All I know is that my 500mhz 1st rev. G4 PowerBook is starting to get a little sluggish and it's the only machine I have.

I live in a world where I have to have a portable computer and I'm just not willing at this point to have a Desktop and a Laptop and deal with all the syncing issues that goes along with that.

I'd like to see the laptop market get comparable with our Desktops. Obviously a 2.0 ghz dual G5 Powerbook is going to be a ways off but in addition to designing the chips to run cooler and getting batters that last longer we're also going to have to look at different form-factors for our machines. The PowerBook is sleek and sexy now but some compromises can be made to better accommodate these chips and the heat they dispense.

I've got about a year or 18 months until I'm going to be forced to buy my next laptop. All I want is the absolute fastest, smallest, most durable and coolest laptop on the market when I buy one and I want it to last me easily 3-4 years. Now that's not too much to ask is it? :D

ELYXR
Sep 11, 2003, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by e2chris
this dude worked for apple and thinks the CPU is under the left hand palm rest. WOW! I swear I have yet to meet anyone with any knowledge of anything at the Apple Stores.

A reseller, not Apple.

[mod. edit - Watch the insults.]

ColoJohnBoy
Sep 11, 2003, 01:20 PM
Haha! Good ol' PowerPage. They always know how to make me smile. Dual G4 PowerBook? Hmmmm.... Oh my God! There are pigs flying outside my apartment!!

Urdam
Sep 11, 2003, 01:45 PM
I wonder if the rumors are correct, and that we'll see a G5 Powerbook early 2004. My Powermac G4 (AGP) 400MHZ is now 4 years old and I need to get a good labtop for college. A new G5 Powerbook would be perfect. Anyways, just a thought.

clonenode
Sep 11, 2003, 02:40 PM
Originally posted by e2chris
this dude worked for apple and thinks the CPU is under the left hand palm rest. WOW! I swear I have yet to meet anyone with any knowledge of anything at the Apple Stores.
What kind of knowledge are you looking for? Engineering information about how the things are built!? Find the right store and the right employee and you will find A LOT of knowledge: graphic design, print production, movie editing, music recording.

It irks me to no end when you people expect the retail employees to be experts on everything.

clonenode
Sep 11, 2003, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by e2chris
For a year that is suppose to be the Year of the Laptop then it was a pretty lame year. I mean they didnt realese ****. If they did make a dual Powerbook that would not suprise me. Cause they havent done anything since the release of the 12 and 17. That was what in Jan?

Did Apple say that because this was the "Year of the Laptop" that they were going to keep on making newer and newer laptops all year. No. They simply pointed out that the ever gaining popularity of laptops would make them year a big seller this year. Oh, and here are our two new laptop offerings, the 12 inch and the 17.

You have over-inflated expectations because you chose to misinterpret what they said.

AppleMatt
Sep 11, 2003, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by clonenode
It irks me to no end when you people expect the retail employees to be experts on everything.

Agreed. If a customer asked me which machine would be best, and why for them, I'd confidently be able to explain the choices with reference to hardware and their needs etc.

If they asked me what the best video editing solution that allowed them to so [insert video jargon here] was, I'd stare blankly, point at something behind them and run.

(I've been on the receiving end of a customer who expected me to know everything, it's no fun)

AppleMatt

cb911
Sep 11, 2003, 03:58 PM
i'm not trusting PowerPage too much these days, i feel that they're kinda sketchy.

someone could have just been trying to make some quick cash. it does say at the end of the second article "Got Juice on the new PowerBooks? Spill the beans and win a PowerPage prize pack."

dual-proc PowerBooks sure would be cool thought. OS X just feels like it was meant to run on a dual-proc system! :D

and for those who think that a single-proc G5 would blow the pants off a dual-proc G4 at the same clock speed... you should think again about that. some of the early benchmarks have shown that you would be wise to consider which G5 model to go for before selling your dual-G4. for example if you have a 1.4GHz dual G4, the 1.6GHz G5 might not be worth it...

hopefully some more accurate info will surface before Tuesday. ;) :D

NavyIntel007
Sep 11, 2003, 04:19 PM
The only reason they'd do this is because Moto can't come up with powerful enough chips for the powerbooks. The solution put two cheap sub 1 Ghz processors in the machine to compensate for the lack of power. This is the only reason why that would happen.

x86isslow
Sep 11, 2003, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by Sol
At least no-one is talking about video iPods and how Apple has to release them before the competition beats them to it. What were they thinking? Until Apple does portable video no-one will care about such devices.

amen.. next rumor : g5 newtons and othersuch
:o

e2chris
Sep 11, 2003, 06:03 PM
well personally i would never ask a apple employee nothing cause I know they know nothing. They just sell stuff. Kind of like a salesperson. Useless... I do my own research before I buy something. Yes I think Sales people should know something... i mean come on. You wanna spend your life just selling stuff? Pathetic.

And this bit about the year of the laptop. Well I thought there would be some cool stuff coming out this year. And its Sept and nothing since Jan. At least update the 15". I mean come on... This was so not the year of the laptop. I bet the sales of the new Powermac are catching up to the Year of the Laptop sales fast. So it was all just marketing who-ha. I dont think a dual G4 Powerbook would be a bad idea at all. That is a year of the laptop step. Oh and I guess he fooled me and lots of others as well with his statement.

I just helped my sis get a laptop for College. Think I recommended a apple? NO! I got her the IBM T40P. Awesome machine! no doubt.

tizza
Sep 11, 2003, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by clonenode
Did Apple say that because this was the "Year of the Laptop" that they were going to keep on making newer and newer laptops all year. No. They simply pointed out that the ever gaining popularity of laptops would make them year a big seller this year. Oh, and here are our two new laptop offerings, the 12 inch and the 17.

You have over-inflated expectations because you chose to misinterpret what they said.
Sure, but if if Apple was going to cash in on the popularity of laptops you'd think they'd be updating more regularily than they have. Obviously though many factors have delayed PB's which are prob out of Apple's control, but still ...

e2chris
Sep 11, 2003, 06:21 PM
I agree that they are probably having delays that they didnt expect. Good old Motorola. I think they wanted to pump out at least another set of laptops by now. AT least the 15". But with the G5's right around the corner why would anyone want a G4 powerbook? I would rather make due with what I have now. This should be the feeling with many people. I think the only way they could get me to buy a Powerbook at this time is if it had dual processor or maybe that new fuel cell. Again I know its a stretch but it would be sweet.

Stella
Sep 11, 2003, 08:21 PM
HEAR HEAR.. exactly!

Some people are so RETARDED, they hear the quote and don't think to understand the meaning. Steve EXPLICITY EXPLAINED the reason for the year of the laptop.

Seriously, this is absolutely ****ing me off about how people expect jaw dropping laptops this year... this was NOT the meaning of SGs quote.

[i]
You have over-inflated expectations because you chose to misinterpret what they said. [/B]

[mod. edit - Don't circumvent the profanity filter.]

Steven1621
Sep 11, 2003, 08:35 PM
can they handle that kind of heat and power need?

e2chris
Sep 11, 2003, 08:35 PM
SSSSSSTTTEEELLLLLAAAAAAA!!!!

e2chris
Sep 11, 2003, 08:36 PM
Stella you let words tick you off on a computer eh?

haha

Stella
Sep 11, 2003, 08:49 PM
LOL.

Yes, especially when people misintrept the meaning of "The year of the Laptop"!!!

:-D

I hate computers, they think they are always right... unfortunately, they are! (Human coding errors)

Originally posted by e2chris
Stella you let words tick you off on a computer eh?

haha

e2chris
Sep 11, 2003, 08:54 PM
Stella its all good...

Until the Matrix/Terminator thing goes into effect computers do what humans tell them to do.

its always a user error...

yujini
Sep 12, 2003, 02:40 AM
So do these video ipods play music videos while playing the song?
That's gonna be tite.
well at least for the people who watch mtv all day.
Gonna be a good market for young girls.

Porshuh944turbo
Sep 12, 2003, 04:17 AM
NEC is "working on" a 40 hour fuel cell for laptops, but "plans to bring out a fuel cell powered laptop in 2004 with 5 hours battery life"... WTF? lol... good thing we can get 5 hours out of a refill! :thumbs down:

oh yeah...

"They require a refill of fuel such as hydrogen gas or liquid methanol in order to keep operating. "

hmm.. so much easier it will be to keep a supply of hydrogen gas ready to go when we run out of juice on the road... wtf?

are you guys retarded or have you just not thought it through? you got your fuel cell battery powered powerbook.. woo-hoo! then 5-10 hours later, you need a refill... go to the nearest 7-11 and fill 'er up? NOPE.. they don't currently stock Methanol or Hydrogen Gas at 7-11 sorry to tell ya! wonder how much that'll cost! and if we put a huge tank in our home, we can refuel anytime!!! :) NOPE! what do you do on the road?? can't plug in to the ol' cigarette lighter now can we? I don't recall cars these days coming with methanol or hydrogen gas tanks do you?


think people... think... you don't even have to do it differently.. just think!

chazmox
Sep 12, 2003, 07:00 AM
Why couldn't you use a cigaretter lighter. I could see a mechanism/compartment where you would put the cigarette lighter in with the fuel outlet place inside a small nipple ( ok, no one get dirty on me... ). Then as you closed the door to the compartment, it would cause the fuel release of the laptop to be pressed, putting positive pressure on the nipple.

Be interesting if something like this could work because your distribution problems are solved.

NOW, that being said, Apple IS NOT going to release a fuel cell laptop this September. Nothing like being the test case for all the regulatory agencies involved ( and BTW, the PB would have had to get all those approvals and you would have heard about something that radical ) or having the FAA restrict our PB on commercial flights.

neonart
Sep 12, 2003, 09:19 AM
Sorry if it's been mentioned before...

Checking Moto's site it looks like the 7457 @1GHz consumes less than half (10W) than the current 7455@1GHz (21.3W, 30Max). This means that making the 17" Dual 1Ghz is not impossible. Or even the 15".
I'm not saying this is a sure thing, of course, but it can be done.
I would personally prefer to have a Dual 800 MHz over a single 1.4GHz. Most people work on multiple Apps alot more than do highly intensive work on just one app.

marklander
Sep 12, 2003, 09:47 AM
Maybe Apple should release a Dual IBM G3 + altivec Powerbook and rid us of Moto all together.

chazmox
Sep 12, 2003, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by neonart
Sorry if it's been mentioned before...

Checking Moto's site it looks like the 7457 @1GHz consumes less than half (10W) than the current 7455@1GHz (21.3W, 30Max). This means that making the 17" Dual 1Ghz is not impossible. Or even the 15".
I'm not saying this is a sure thing, of course, but it can be done.
I would personally prefer to have a Dual 800 MHz over a single 1.4GHz. Most people work on multiple Apps alot more than do highly intensive work on just one app.

Can you provide a link? The specs I looked at showed the 7457 to be 15.8/22 Watts at 1 Ghz and 18.7/26 Watts at 1.3 GHz...

http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MPC7447&nodeId=016246

check out page 14 of the datasheet "MPC7457EC."

mrsebastian
Sep 12, 2003, 11:19 AM
i see 17" pb dual g4s possible, just because the form factor offers the room for them. heat and power consumption issues aside, i actually don't expect a dual 17" pb however. now that apple finally seems to have reliable chip maker in ibm, i expect they'll wait to do anything crazy with the powerbook line till the g5 is viable in powerbooks. for now i expect a revamped 15" and minor revisions to the 12" and 17". in any case, i just got the 17" this week and am happy as clam! if there is an update on tuesday, i'll be down at the apple store exchanging it for the new model.

jhedges3
Sep 12, 2003, 05:40 PM
Originally posted by clonenode
Did Apple say that because this was the "Year of the Laptop" that they were going to keep on making newer and newer laptops all year. No. They simply pointed out that the ever gaining popularity of laptops would make them year a big seller this year. Oh, and here are our two new laptop offerings, the 12 inch and the 17.

You have over-inflated expectations because you chose to misinterpret what they said.

Is it unreasonable to you for people to question if "the year of the laptop," is consistent with reality? If the statement was made, which I donít believe you are challenging, then within the many broader interpretations of it is that the year should be one in which Apple laptops are up to date.

You, and others, may continue to restate and remind us of the context and true meaning, to include what you consider its true qualifications and associations. And yet with as many people interpreting and hanging on their words it might be better to withhold saying things that only make sense and can be applied after having someone with knowledge, such as you, translate it for the rest of us.

Porshuh944turbo
Sep 13, 2003, 12:47 AM
sorry, but i have to agree with clonenode on this one.. i think there are those who have taken that statement out of context.

neonart
Sep 13, 2003, 08:22 AM
Originally posted by chazmox
Can you provide a link? The specs I looked at showed the 7457 to be 15.8/22 Watts at 1 Ghz and 18.7/26 Watts at 1.3 GHz...

http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MPC7447&nodeId=016246

check out page 14 of the datasheet "MPC7457EC."

Here is the 7455 specs. A bit down into the page you will notice the chart that states the 1000Mhz consumes 21/30max.
http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MPC7455&nodeId=03C1TR046708718653

On the 7457 page, the first paragraph IN RED (which is the color of performance ;) ), states the "LESS than 10W" number:
http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MPC7457&nodeId=03C1TR046708718653

Vlade
Sep 13, 2003, 08:54 AM
Doesn't make any sense, why would apple wait an extra month to stock up on dual machines when it could have had powerbook updates a months ago with single CPUs?

neonart
Sep 13, 2003, 11:24 AM
Again- this is just speculation- but Apple has been very much pro-duals for a few years now. Making the "first dual processor laptop"* would be huge news! It would also be near impossible to do with most other chips in the Intel and AMD families.


*Don't know if there is some obscure laptop that does already that's not mainstream.

ABassCube
Sep 14, 2003, 12:30 AM
OK, I agree that the PowerBooks should have been upgraded a LONG time ago, but this is hardly Apple's fault. Motorola is just being pathetically slow and unproductive as usual, and they're just not getting the new chips to Apple.

Steve Jobs did mean that this would be the "Year of the Laptop" in terms of sales, and even if he did mean in terms of features and upgrades, the 12" and 17" were a pretty damn good start. Apple definitely planned on having the PowerBook upgrades ready FAR earlier, it's just Motorola. Honestly, Motorola should just get wiped off the face of the earth. Their pathetically slow progress on the G4 is just ridiculous and has really hurt Apple. Apple needs to just get G5s in all their computers ASAP so they can just drop Motorola for good.

Adam

-hh
Sep 15, 2003, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by ABassCube
OK, I agree that the PowerBooks should have been upgraded a LONG time ago, but...

Steve Jobs did mean that this would be the "Year of the Laptop" in terms of sales, and even if he did mean in terms of features and upgrades, the 12" and 17" were a pretty damn good start...

Well, if Steve had been more clear, this debate wouldn't exist.

And without Steve himself jumping in to provide clarifiation, we're going to have to accept the fact that people have interpreted the statement at least two different ways:

1) Its "The Year" in which laptop sales become a big % of total sales, if for no other reason than the desktop MHz/GHz lagging was so bad that it wasn't worth buying a desktop...

-or-

2) Its "The Year" because so many awesome new laptop designs and features are (to be) released that blows everyone away, which means that they're obviously worth buying on their own merit...


Hope you can see what I mean by both statements. And with the release of the 12" and 17" PB, interpretation #2 did seem viable...for awhile.

FWIW, I almost bought a 12"PB because of disappointment on the PowerMac end of the desktops (ed, interpretation #1), even though it was a pretty neat product (interpretation #2): IMO, both factors have probably played strongly into a lot of buyer's final decisions.


Now while Apple has expanded their laptop product line from 3 to 5 platforms with the 12" and 17" PB's, it makes you want to go dig up the data to find out what % of total laptop sales they represent. Afterall, the rest of the line is pretty uninspiringly Vanilla:

12.1" iBook design: introduced 2.3 years ago
14" iBook design: introduced 1.5 years ago
15" TiBook design: introduced 2.5 years ago,

Granted, they've gotten speedbumps and the like along the way, but the biggest update was probably TiBook's Superdrive. Not only was this anticipated, it's also now 0.8 year old, old news.



-hh

Bunzi2k4
Sep 15, 2003, 02:47 PM
good point hh... but i honestly don't care anymore.... my 12 inch pb is good enough for me. i'll start caring about updates when the g5's are in powerbooks

jhedges3
Sep 15, 2003, 03:50 PM
I find myself in anxious agreement with everyone else; PBís and others need updates, speedbumps, and pedicures/makeovers. If for no other reason then to keep the few of us who care happy and sane. There doesnít seem to be many who disagree. How and when these modifications occur is another point.

In regards to all that is said, our signal to noise ratio seems wonderfully low. Words flow on these pages and others ad nauseum. Predictions are pushed into our consciousness rather quickly and then forgotten. Before stopping to quantify who got what wrong and by how much, the focus moves on to the next event, for which the predictions vary. The only noticeable aftereffect of all the erroneous predictions is the disinterest of those whoíve already witnessed this process, which leads them to say things like ďbut i honestly don't care anymore.Ē But if you really didnít care why would you keep reading and why would you post to state as much?

Often what is said includes things already predicted, but repackaged as they didnít happen the last time? As you all know better then me there are also fanciful new predictions. In terms of the latter, however, they must not be too fantastic. It must seem within a threshold of possibility. For example, as yet nobody has stated that apple will release a 500 gig ipod, for that we have to wait.

In the end, however, what we are asking for is them to increase the frequency of the step function they use to keep us coming back to the trough, with all our Benjamins in hand. Also, we donít want them to be slow in bringing more. Yet, should we really want this? Do we want the half-life of hardware and software to further dwindle from a year, perhaps, to two months, and then to two weeks or a day? If it did would we then be dissatisfied and asking for more? Why not instead say that we want PBís with unquestioned technological supremacy and yet for this supremacy to last longer, such that they wouldnít need frequent updates?

e2chris
Sep 19, 2003, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by jhedges3
I find myself in anxious agreement with everyone else; PBís and others need updates, speedbumps, and pedicures/makeovers. If for no other reason then to keep the few of us who care happy and sane. There doesnít seem to be many who disagree. How and when these modifications occur is another point.

In regards to all that is said, our signal to noise ratio seems wonderfully low. Words flow on these pages and others ad nauseum. Predictions are pushed into our consciousness rather quickly and then forgotten. Before stopping to quantify who got what wrong and by how much, the focus moves on to the next event, for which the predictions vary. The only noticeable aftereffect of all the erroneous predictions is the disinterest of those whoíve already witnessed this process, which leads them to say things like ďbut i honestly don't care anymore.Ē But if you really didnít care why would you keep reading and why would you post to state as much?

Often what is said includes things already predicted, but repackaged as they didnít happen the last time? As you all know better then me there are also fanciful new predictions. In terms of the latter, however, they must not be too fantastic. It must seem within a threshold of possibility. For example, as yet nobody has stated that apple will release a 500 gig ipod, for that we have to wait.

In the end, however, what we are asking for is them to increase the frequency of the step function they use to keep us coming back to the trough, with all our Benjamins in hand. Also, we donít want them to be slow in bringing more. Yet, should we really want this? Do we want the half-life of hardware and software to further dwindle from a year, perhaps, to two months, and then to two weeks or a day? If it did would we then be dissatisfied and asking for more? Why not instead say that we want PBís with unquestioned technological supremacy and yet for this supremacy to last longer, such that they wouldnít need frequent updates?

The more I read this the more lost I got... =O

jhedges3
Sep 19, 2003, 05:12 PM
Your getting lost is my fault or yours?

e2chris
Sep 19, 2003, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by jhedges3
Your getting lost is my fault or yours?

I just think you could have summed it up in like 2 sentences. Dont take it personal its just a joke.

jhedges3
Sep 19, 2003, 05:19 PM
I'm not taking it personally, actually I agree with you to some extent. It does seem rather prolix, vague, and convoluted. Yet, if you can sum up what I said in two sentences then I'd be interested to know what you'd say in those sentences.