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travis
Apr 13, 2002, 12:30 PM
Hello, my name is Travis and I am a high school student down here in Houston, Texas. Although this sounds quite pitiful, I really need a laptop for school. My schedule does not allow me to have a job, and all of my volunteering work in the community doesn't give back to me anymore than the satisfaction of helping someone who cannot help themselves. So from the bottom of my heart, I am asking for someone to donate a laptop to an individual who simply wants to succeed. While I’d love to own a brand iBook, I realize that all I really need is a x400 Powerbook, which can run OS9 so that I can access my iDisk, which is where I store my homework while in transit from home to school and vice-versa. If anyone is kind and generous enough, then I can help pay for shipping, with my small amount of birthday money, I’m afraid I’d have to mail you the cash directly. As for confirmation that I am actually a student, I’d be happy to write you a thank you letter every month detailing how I am doing in school. Well, it’s been nice spending time on these forums, but I’ve got some more physics and AP US history to do, so thanks again for your time! Oh, and by the way, my e-mail address is kerrdude_2003@yahoo.com. TIA!
-travis gee

eyelikeart
Apr 13, 2002, 12:50 PM
travis...

if I could donate a laptop to u I would...I totally feel for u man...

the only thing I have worth anything is an older Motorola Starmax 4000 (Mac clone)...it can run OS 9...but slowly...it has a keyboard and a mouse...

as this is not a portable...it is a working computer...with ethernet card...

let me know if u would be interested...we could possibly work something out... ;)

travis
Apr 13, 2002, 01:01 PM
alas, thanks buddy, I like art too, especially the art of music, but apparently my skills in the art of persuasion are limited. I must say I really do appreciate your offer for you starmax 9000, but alas, only a portable can fufill my needs, thanks though, and see you around, AIM: kerrdude2003

AlphaTech
Apr 15, 2002, 05:05 PM
That does sound pitiful, but I have no pity to give you. I started working in my parents store when I was between 8 and 9, and then got a job pumping gas at 14-1/2 (had to get my parents to sign off on it so that I could work legally, some MA regulation about child labor). I have been either working, in college, or both ever since. I worked for the college while I was going there. First as a tutor for computer classes and then as a computer lab assistant. I did that for three of my four years at college. I earned enough money between my third and fourth years of college so that I didn't have to work, and could concentrate on my classes.

Honestly, if you want something bad enough, you would find a job that can fit into your schedule. Either that, or adjust your schedule to allow for a paying job. If you have a vehicle, or access to one, you could probably get a job delivering pizza's if nothing else. Get a job in a restaurante, I am sure there are some close enough to you. There were times that I had to either walk, or ride a bike to work (the pedal kind). I made it either way, and so can you.

Earning something makes you appreciate it much more then getting a hand-out. The only people that I give things to is family, and very close, and good, friends. That's it.

Ok, lecture over, class dismissed :D

mymemory
Apr 15, 2002, 06:21 PM
I'm 27 years old, I live in a country that now is under a socialist dictatorship. I have no money to start a new live some where else.

I have an audio engineer degree and a master in multimedia that cost to my parents $55.000 3 years ago and I haven't produce a 5th of that ammount to return that money to may parents.

I work for people and all the money I got is about enough to pay the phonebill, just because there are not jobs, by the way I still living with my parents because there is not money in the street and all my friends are in the same situation like me and onther 24million people in this country.

If you can not work to get something then you are not prepare for it.

The reasons you are giving to get a portable are far from being even not enough.

If you want to learn what the world really is, stop waisting your time and make some money out of it. Beside, there is no need to carry a portable to school, quit watching so much tv, that is what the media is selling you, get real. Get a degree in place of dreaming what you are gonna do with that computer at school.

You have hands, you can write with a pencil, you can get a notebook, then you are all set.

The worst thing you can do in your life is to start to depend in equipment. Right now I have about $10.000. But they worth nothing because they are in equipment and I can't carry any of them with me, may be my Pismo and some clothes and what I have in my brain. That is what is gonna make me succed or fail.

Never, but never base your production and skills on equipment, the less equipment you need, the more happy, productive and valuable you will be.

MacAztec
Apr 15, 2002, 06:59 PM
Hey travis, I have a PowerBook G3 266, but I think it has some problems. It has 64MB of RAM, and runs OS 9 fine. Every time you start it up, it tells you about a RAM failure, but then it runs fine.

I am pretty sure I still have it, since I let my bro use it. He better not have sold it, hehehe...

AlphaTech
Apr 15, 2002, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by MacAztec
Hey travis, I have a PowerBook G3 266, but I think it has some problems. It has 64MB of RAM, and runs OS 9 fine. Every time you start it up, it tells you about a RAM failure, but then it runs fine.

I am pretty sure I still have it, since I let my bro use it. He better not have sold it, hehehe...

Have you checked to see if it is using all of the installed memory?? I had a similar message one time on my G4 tower and it turns out that one of the memory chips had gone bad. I pulled it and everything was great. I then obtained a replacement from the company I purchased it from, and it was back up to the 1.5GB before I sold it :D.

MacAztec
Apr 15, 2002, 07:08 PM
Originally posted by AlphaTech


Have you checked to see if it is using all of the installed memory?? I had a similar message one time on my G4 tower and it turns out that one of the memory chips had gone bad. I pulled it and everything was great. I then obtained a replacement from the company I purchased it from, and it was back up to the 1.5GB before I sold it :D.

Dang you are smart. Actually, I havent really looked at it for about 8 months or so. I hope my brother didnt lose it!

AlphaTech
Apr 15, 2002, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by MacAztec


Dang you are smart. Actually, I havent really looked at it for about 8 months or so. I hope my brother didnt lose it!

Why, tank you, tank you berry butch :) lol... If your bro still has it, see about getting him to power it up and open up the Apple System Profiler. That will tell you if it is using all the installed memory, or if one has gone bad (will probably say something like unsupported).

Backtothemac
Apr 15, 2002, 07:46 PM
Travis, I have to agree with some of the previous posts. You need to adjust your schedule to get what you want. I partied my way out of the University of Alabama in 1994, and came back in 2000. In one year I took 54 hours, maintained a 3.75, worked 40 hours a week, and was a full time father, and husband. Believe me, if you set you mind to it, you can accomplish anything. It may suck for a few months, but you can do it.

MacAztec
Apr 15, 2002, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by AlphaTech


Why, tank you, tank you berry butch :) lol... If your bro still has it, see about getting him to power it up and open up the Apple System Profiler. That will tell you if it is using all the installed memory, or if one has gone bad (will probably say something like unsupported).

I just called him. He said he still has it, but it doesn't work. He said one day, he was using it, and he shut it down. Tried to start it up, and it never did.

Its a pretty old computer, so it may be dead for sure. I will ask for it when I go over to his place again. He only lives about 8 miles away!

AlphaTech
Apr 15, 2002, 08:13 PM
MacAztec, do you remember if it has one memory chip or two?? If it has just one, it could be that one has gone bad. What he described is one symptom of a memory chip failing.

I would suggest getting it back and try powering it up. Make sure the battery has a full charge in it, and that it is getting power from the ac adapter. It could also be an issue with the system not getting any power from the wall, and the battery has run dry.

You should get at least some response if the battery has a charge in it, or getting power from the adapter. There would be either a series of beeps or odd sounding startup chime if the memory is no good. Memory would be the easiest to repair/replace. The power system would require shipping it to Apple. Expect to pay close to $400 to get it repaired if it is not the memory. You have to decide at that point if it is worth fixing to you.

MacAztec
Apr 15, 2002, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by AlphaTech
MacAztec, do you remember if it has one memory chip or two?? If it has just one, it could be that one has gone bad. What he described is one symptom of a memory chip failing.

I would suggest getting it back and try powering it up. Make sure the battery has a full charge in it, and that it is getting power from the ac adapter. It could also be an issue with the system not getting any power from the wall, and the battery has run dry.

You should get at least some response if the battery has a charge in it, or getting power from the adapter. There would be either a series of beeps or odd sounding startup chime if the memory is no good. Memory would be the easiest to repair/replace. The power system would require shipping it to Apple. Expect to pay close to $400 to get it repaired if it is not the memory. You have to decide at that point if it is worth fixing to you.

I think it is one, but we may have upgraded it to two. If it costs over 400 dollars, I will just....put it in my collection.

travis
Apr 15, 2002, 08:52 PM
Ok seriously, for the sake of argument only, because I still love you guys, but anyways, yes, I do work, answering phones, being a secretary, a grunt worker, a framer, a carrying boy, a ladder boy, a paper filer, and lunch gopher and more at my dad's photo studio. Alas, no payor allowance, my parents say that buying me food for dinner is enough. You wouldn't happen to have Asian parents would you? Sundays are tied up with church, afternoons are filled with homework from my various AP classes. Mondays, I wake at 4 am, do homework, get ready, run to the bus stop (no car), have trumpet sectionals in the morning, then school, then our "official" sectionals in the afternoon. Shower, eat, homework. Bible Study follows at Grace Presbytarian later. Sleep. Wake on Tuesday at 4, do homework, get ready, run to the bus stop, have more trumpet sectionals in the morning (I'm first chair), then school, then more meetings for various clubs. Shower, eat, homework, Sleep! Wake on Wednesday at 4, do homework, get ready, run to the bus stop, have more trumpet sectionals in the morning (I'm the Band Vice President). I also have National Honor Society meetings on Wednesday mornings. School! Christian Fellowship (I'm VP and Treasurer) and Junior class officer (I'm VP) meetings afterschool. Trumpet lessons follow those meetings. Shower, eat, Homework, and my ONE hour of TV a week (Enterprise, gotta love it). Sleep! Thursday, wake at 4, homework, get ready, catch bus, more sectionals, school, then Jazz band Practice (it's mandatory and I'm first chair there, too), and Student Council Executive board meeting (I'm Junior Class Rep). Rush home to piano lessons, then shower, eat, homework and sleep. Friday!!! Wake at 4, do homework, eat, catch bus, more trumpet practice, school, then afterwards, another Student Council "General" Meeting. Afterwards we go to church to help at a children's Bible study called AWANA, I help with the 4th and 5th grade boys (they are mischievious) and I also assist and referee games. I also happen to be the music director for them. Stagger home and sleep. Saturday, homework, eat, volunteer at the local "House of Amos" (a community food pantry/school house), be servant for my dad, tutor my sister, chores. Oh, and whenever else I have time, I also cook, clean, wash, get the mail, take out the trash, fix my parent's computer problems (they use PCs), do other chores, study for the SAT and ACT, fill out college stuff, and do this really cool Nasa program see it at www.aerospacescholars.com, which takes a while, and I also manage to be nice and cordial to everyone I meet. So then I occasionally check AtAT, and other mac sites, check my email, and other web stuff (no porn). So all I was asking, from one macuser to another, was if you had an old PB of some sort, which could run OS9, that you might be able to donate for a goood cause. My plans for the future: got to either RIce University (in Houston), U of Texas, Texas A & M, NYU, or USC. There I plan to major in aerospace engineering with a minor in music composition or desktop publishing. I also am convincing my parents that the world doesn't really need another chinese doctor (their goal for me). Oh yeah, about being dependent on equipment. I have a folder, with a calendar of EVERYTHING, it's almost completely black with ink. I really do appreciate the constructive criticism though, it helps keep this world sane from people who actually do just want hand outs. As one president sort of said, "A hand up, not a hand out..." cheers!-travis

travis
Apr 15, 2002, 08:54 PM
Oh yeah, and just to prove that I am really not that dumb, I got a 1340 on my first real SAT, and am able to maintain a 4.19 GPA, in the top ten percent, number 18 in my class, and I DO believe in Jesus!

AlphaTech
Apr 15, 2002, 09:07 PM
travis, get your parents to get you the computer then. How long have you been giving them slave labor?? When I worked at my parents store, they increased my allowance. I would walk there from school and help out until either we closed, or I could get a ride home from one of them or my sister. They also never stood in my way of getting work. Looks like you have way too much time at church (for me, any amount of time there is too much).

Oh and for your afterstatement of Oh yeah, and just to prove that I am really not that dumb, I got a 1340 on my first real SAT, and am able to maintain a 4.19 GPA, in the top ten percent, number 18 in my class, and I DO believe in Jesus!

Believing in jesus doesn't make you all that bright in my books. More wars and attrocities have been commited in that person's name then just about any other. Religeon is one crutch that I neither need, nor have any time for. Being a free thinker has more value to me then going to the church every weekend, or whenever you do go. I also despise people that think that their religeon is the only valid one. There was another thread about Mac's and religeon not all that long ago... search for it and read through the messages... it might do you some good.

MacAztec
Apr 15, 2002, 09:11 PM
I am right with you Alpha. Church/Jesus has never done anything for me, except waste time. I am not saying I dont believe in Jesus, but I dont believe in going to church every weekend!

Spend your time living life, and not worrying about religion, and you will go further in life.

DavidCL23
Apr 15, 2002, 09:21 PM
Hi MacAztec, how much for the defective powerbook? I love tinkering with old machines....Is it a 14" model? I can pay you through paypal.com (I am a verified premier member). And yes, I am a student too with a very busy scheduel, but I manage my time to fit in a waitering job over the weekends ($8.25 hr).

AlphaTech
Apr 15, 2002, 09:26 PM
MacAztec, thanks for siding with me. Good to see there are some free thinkers in here ;).

If you want me to check out your powerbook, ship it to me, I will let you know what I find out, then it can be your call. If you want it back, I would pay the shipping back to you (since you would pay to get it to me :D ) that's only fair. I will donate the initial diagnostic time until you let me know how you want to proceed.

You can email me if you want to go through with this.

MacAztec
Apr 15, 2002, 09:28 PM
I believe it is a 266MHz PowerBook G3. It has 64MB of RAM, with a...2 GB hard-drive... believe. I am going to take a look at it, and probly sell it for about 150 dollars. If it works, probly more.

It has a 12.1 inch display, I believe. I will get all the information and post it here in a minute...

MacAztec
Apr 15, 2002, 09:31 PM
Originally posted by AlphaTech
MacAztec, thanks for siding with me. Good to see there are some free thinkers in here ;).

If you want me to check out your powerbook, ship it to me, I will let you know what I find out, then it can be your call. If you want it back, I would pay the shipping back to you (since you would pay to get it to me :D ) that's only fair. I will donate the initial diagnostic time until you let me know how you want to proceed.

You can email me if you want to go through with this.

Thanks Alpha! That would be great if you could do that. I think I am going to get it back from my brother, and check out the RAM issue. If I can't figure it out (which I probly wont, I dont know too much about computer guts), I will probly have the computer in the mail.

Can you email me at jcarian@mac.com?

MacAztec
Apr 15, 2002, 09:35 PM
This is the computer:
http://www.apple-history.com/quickgallery.html?where=pg3.html
It says it comes with 32MB of RAM, but I am about 95 percent sure that it has 64MB. I think I am going to go with my dad and pick up the computer either tonight or tomorrow. Thanks for your help!

Catfish_Man
Apr 15, 2002, 10:19 PM
Since we're talking about PowerBooks, I've got a kind of interesting question. My friend's sister's PBG3 (233) is currently the most broken laptop I've ever had the privilige of getting to mess with. The panel over the hinge between the screen and case fell off, and 3 out of 4 times you start it up it makes a wierd hissing/grumbling noise through the speakers (sounds like a submarine if you run it through an amp and some decent speakers). When it does boot, it often lags for very long periods of time. It has been replaced with a TiBook 550, so no real harm done ;), but it would still be cool to get it running again.

Backtothemac
Apr 15, 2002, 10:59 PM
Ok guys, (Alpha and Aztec) I too am a free thinker, but the fact of the matter is that people who are religious and who do participate in a church are in fact
1) More successfull
2) Happier in their personal life
3) Less likely to get divorced
4) Will make more money over the course of their life.

These have all been documented in various magazines such as USA Today, and have even seen #3 and #4 on TLC. I am not here saying that A religion is the best religion, although I do tend to have a fondness for mine :p

Anyway, don't lead the young lad astray. We should say congrats to him for caring enough to take the time to do something constructive with his time. Lets face it, probably the majority of teens don't do a 1/10th that this kid is doing.

Maybe we could start a pot for him? I would throw in 20 bucks.... With PC parents, they may try to stick him with a Dell.....

MacAztec
Apr 15, 2002, 11:07 PM
When I spoke about religion, I meant this.
He shouldn't make out time on weekends just to go to church. I mean, he isn't going to be "punished" if he doesn't go. He should go when he has time.

I think that Buddhism is the coolest religion. It is really open and free, and quiet. I am a Christian, but I don't go to church often. I think later in life, I would enjoy studying Buddhism. It seems to be really neat because people don't really sin or other stuff, you just live your life!

blackpeter
Apr 15, 2002, 11:07 PM
So won't your parents think it's a little um... weird to be getting such a "gift" from complete internet strangers?

AlphaTech
Apr 15, 2002, 11:16 PM
Originally posted by Backtothemac
Ok guys, (Alpha and Aztec) I too am a free thinker, but the fact of the matter is that people who are religious and who do participate in a church are in fact
1) More successfull
2) Happier in their personal life
3) Less likely to get divorced
4) Will make more money over the course of their life.

These have all been documented in various magazines such as USA Today, and have even seen #3 and #4 on TLC. I am not here saying that A religion is the best religion, although I do tend to have a fondness for mine :p

I have two words for those four points you have there... bull and *****. I am very successful in my carreer, and very happy in my personal life. I am not yet married, but when I do it is for keeps. I was raised that way by my parents through example. Church had NOTHING to do with their marrage being successful.

I also make plenty of money, actually more then the other tech at the site I work at. He is the church going one, not me, nor my boss.

If you need the crutch that is religeon, then use it. I have a strong enough character and sense of self to not need it. Or even want it for that matter.

MacAztec
Apr 15, 2002, 11:18 PM
Originally posted by AlphaTech


I have two words for those four points you have there... bull and *****. I am very successful in my carreer, and very happy in my personal life. I am not yet married, but when I do it is for keeps. I was raised that way by my parents through example. Church had NOTHING to do with their marrage being successful.

I also make plenty of money, actually more then the other tech at the site I work at. He is the church going one, not me, nor my boss.

If you need the crutch that is religeon, then use it. I have a strong enough character and sense of self to not need it. Or even want it for that matter.

I feel the exact same way. Actually, church kinda makes me nervous, its always so quiet, and so....clean! ;)

Beej
Apr 15, 2002, 11:40 PM
Originally posted by MacAztec
I feel the exact same way. Actually, church kinda makes me nervous, its always so quiet, and so....clean! ;) Yeah MacAztec... clean places freak me out, too. :)

Hey trav... the answer seems pretty simple to me: give up some stuff. It's great that you're doing so much, but you have to have time to relax!

MacAztec
Apr 15, 2002, 11:43 PM
Yeah MacAztec... clean places freak me out, too. :)
Hey trav... the answer seems pretty simple to me: give up some stuff. It's great that you're doing so much, but you have to have time to relax! [/QUOTE]

Exactly, give up some church time!

AlphaTech
Apr 15, 2002, 11:45 PM
Originally posted by MacAztec
Yeah MacAztec... clean places freak me out, too. :)
Hey trav... the answer seems pretty simple to me: give up some stuff. It's great that you're doing so much, but you have to have time to relax!

Exactly, give up some church time! [/QUOTE]

I second the motion.... give yourself some down time too... you need some time to relax or you are going to burn out, or go postal. Remember... all work and no play makes Jack homicidal. :D

MacAztec
Apr 15, 2002, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by AlphaTech


I second the motion.... give yourself some down time too... you need some time to relax or you are going to burn out, or go postal. Remember... all work and no play makes Jack homicidal. :D

Hehehe, I like that one.

Yea man, you should just kick it sometimes. Maybe get involved in some kind of sports league or something? Make sure it aint to competitive ;)

AlphaTech
Apr 15, 2002, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by MacAztec


Hehehe, I like that one.

Yea man, you should just kick it sometimes. Maybe get involved in some kind of sports league or something? Make sure it aint to competitive ;)

Yeah, we all know how fragile those church boys are... LMAO... Besides the fact that it seems like they get mollested by the priests more then anyone else... ANOTHER good reason to avoid sending your kids there.

Beej
Apr 15, 2002, 11:54 PM
Originally posted by AlphaTech
I have two words for those four points you have there... bull and *****.I can think of more words than that ;)

I too am a "free thinker." I'm 100% not religious (I haven't been christened or anything). I too am a very happy, very successful person (as successful as a full-time uni student with their own business can be ;)).

I can't speak for the divorce thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if religious couples stayed together just so they would not be frowned upon by their church and community...

AlphaTech
Apr 15, 2002, 11:59 PM
Beej, I'll go along with that... and congrats on having your own business... way cool.

One of the factions of christianity frowns on divorce and uses scare tactics to prevent it. Too many fun things will 'send you to hell'... with all of that, you know it's going to be the happening place. Keggers every day, wet t-shirt contests.. the works... LMAO!! Bikers paradise...

Heaven fears me, and hell is afraid I will take over :D

MacAztec
Apr 16, 2002, 12:10 AM
Originally posted by AlphaTech


Yeah, we all know how fragile those church boys are... LMAO... Besides the fact that it seems like they get mollested by the priests more then anyone else... ANOTHER good reason to avoid sending your kids there.

ROTFLMAO!!!! OMG!!! HAHAHAHAH! Phew, that was some funny *****!

MacAztec
Apr 16, 2002, 12:12 AM
Originally posted by AlphaTech
Beej, I'll go along with that... and congrats on having your own business... way cool.

One of the factions of christianity frowns on divorce and uses scare tactics to prevent it. Too many fun things will 'send you to hell'... with all of that, you know it's going to be the happening place. Keggers every day, wet t-shirt contests.. the works... LMAO!! Bikers paradise...

Heaven fears me, and hell is afraid I will take over :D

Hahaha, that is all true. I hate the idea of someone ALWAYS being greater and smarter and wiser than me. I also hate sins. Whatever you do, its a sin. Even IF it is lying for the better, you have to go "confess" or you will go to hell.

Rower_CPU
Apr 16, 2002, 01:05 AM
Travis-
I commend your hardwork and dedication in all that you do. You have built up quite a list of extracurricular activities and volunteer work. With your scholastic achievements, GPA and high test scores you should be able to get almost any scholarship you apply for.

There are MANY organizations out there that work to provide money for students just like yourself. Money that can be used towards school supplies (ie. computer).

If everything you posted is true, then you have an amazing resumé! Use all of your hard work and volunteer time to get you money for school! Talk to an advisor/counselor at your school and see what options you have. If you are a junior/senior, contact those universities you listed and see what scholarship information they can give you. Be proactive and do research earlier to get the best shot at the money that is available.


On a personal note, do try to take some time to relax every once in a while. I was very similar to you during high school: 5 AP classes, top 10 in class, 1440 SATs, Basketball, Volleyball, Choir, part-time work. Luckily my parents kept me from trying to do too much. You can easily get overwhelmed with organizing everything you do, and if something goes wrong (bad test score, bad band practice, etc.) it can stress you out and cause you to have a breakdown. I know, it happened to me. I got injured playing Basketball, and I went home and cried because I couldn't handle things not going the way I had planned with all of my commitments.

Take the time to relax every once in a while. It is far healthier than running yourself into the ground trying to be Superman. You have definitely built up enough experience and volunteer work to make your scholarship application an almost definite winner. If you can accept the fact that you can't do everything, try to scale back on your commitments. Really try to discuss an allowance/pay with your parents for all the work that you do.
You have your whole life to be stressed out and overworked...high school is the one last time in your life you can still be a kid. Enjoy it!!!

Good luck with your efforts! :D

rainman::|:|
Apr 16, 2002, 01:07 AM
two words: sugar daddy.

pnw

Rower_CPU
Apr 16, 2002, 01:08 AM
Originally posted by paulwhannel
two words: sugar daddy.

pnw

Careful Paul, he's from the Bible belt...:p

travis
Apr 16, 2002, 05:56 AM
Sugar Daddy?!? no intiendo

Oh, sorry I forgot to mention, but yeah, I'm pretty well built, so I do Volleyball and soccer intramurals, and during the summer I go swimming a lot. I have a nice "permanent" tan. Oh, hey, I hope you all get that powerbook taken care of. And No, I am not being forced to go to church, I actually want to help out. As for my parents, I know other people have strict parents too, I feel for ya'll...I speak Spanish well enough, good for being down here in Texas.

daytona63
Apr 16, 2002, 06:40 AM
I dunno, but I really don't think that anybody should be lecturing some high school kid about what a waste of time religion is, at least not in these forums. I personally would find it rather rude. Free-think yourselves out of here if you insist on jumping on him like that.

Mildly Perturbed,
daytona63

P.S. Honestly, just mildly

travis
Apr 16, 2002, 07:13 AM
tfaz1, yea, they do think it would be weird, but aren't we all a little weird sometimes?
Alphatech and MacAztec, wow, I'm glad you all have so much time to help in responding to all the posts here, controversial, but interesting. No, I am not Catholic, I go to a nice little Southern Baptist Church. Don't even make me go into all the stuff I do there.
Backtothemac, Madi is so cool, you should see if she wants to be a children's clothing model, it would work, my dad's a photographer.
Rower_CPU, interesting handle...But yeah I understand, I feel like I am sometimes heading for the ground, but occasionally, My efforts pay off, like at piano competitions, award ceremonies at school, and of course, the ultimate reward lies in Heaven...
Daytona, yep, I agree, stop the hating...but I know it's for trying to make me think like the rest of you all do...but really, I find church a good outlet for being normal, really, what was this country founded upon...?

AlphaTech
Apr 16, 2002, 09:09 AM
travis, being 'normal' is for the weak of character and for those with no imagination (or very little). Just for the record, I never claimed to be normal :D

MacAztec
Apr 16, 2002, 09:48 AM
Originally posted by travis
and of course, the ultimate reward lies in Heaven...

How are you so sure?

AlphaTech
Apr 16, 2002, 09:53 AM
Originally posted by MacAztec


How are you so sure?

Hey MacAztec, just in case you are running low... have a six-pack of whoop-ass. I have cases of the stuff just begging to be opened. :D

MacAztec
Apr 16, 2002, 09:58 AM
Originally posted by AlphaTech


Hey MacAztec, just in case you are running low... have a six-pack of whoop-ass. I have cases of the stuff just begging to be opened. :D

Hehe, go ahead and open it! I have to take off to school, but...I wont be gone. We have a computer lab (PeeCee)!

eyelikeart
Apr 16, 2002, 10:09 AM
hmm...I sense a flamewar coming on...Alpha?? :eek:

AlphaTech
Apr 16, 2002, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by eyelikeart
hmm...I sense a flamewar coming on...Alpha?? :eek:

Depends on how many people I can recruit... :)... It's more fun when you have a bunch ganging up on the weak of character :D.

Alas, I left my flamethrower at home today, since I rode the Harley to work.

Rower_CPU
Apr 16, 2002, 10:16 AM
I don't think we need to harp on the religion issue here...

I'm pissed 'cause I wrote a long post talking about scholarships and they guy didn't even say anything about it...:mad:

Backtothemac
Apr 16, 2002, 12:04 PM
Travis, thanks for the complement on Madi. She is everything to me. She is only 3 years old, but is 44 inches tall. She is going to have her Dad's height.

Alpha, and Aztec. Guys, I was making a general statement about people not saying that all people who are not religious fall in a certain category.

Alpha, and Aztec. Guys, I was saying that we should complement the kid for taking the time to actually do something productive with his teenage years. I know I did not.

Aztec, how can you look out into space, at the size of it, the depth of it, and not believe in something? I have seen far too many things in my life not to believe in anything. And don't asume that I am Christian. I may be, but I may not be. I have never said anything about that, just that it is cool that the kid believes in something.

AlphaTech
Apr 16, 2002, 12:14 PM
Backtothemac, do you also blindly believe that this is the only planet with 'intelligent' life on it??? With the countless star systems in the universe, there has to be more life out there. If not, that is very pathetic.

krossfyter
Apr 16, 2002, 12:21 PM
If there is life on other planets...our they fallen?

If not then if we encounter them will we corrpupt them?

Backtothemac
Apr 16, 2002, 12:22 PM
Actually no I do not. I think that anyone that can look out into the vastness of space and say "we are alone" is the dumbest creature on the planet. Cows would have a mental hand up an that dumba$$.

Like I have said. If you choose not to believe in organized religion because of the corruption, then I would have to agree with you. If you choose not to believe at all, that is your perspective and I respect that and would fight to the death for your right to believe that. I just don't understand how someone could believe in nothing that is all.

mischief
Apr 16, 2002, 12:26 PM
A few thoughts.

Due to the fact that no amount of looking will ever adequately define a finite size to the Universe it becomes mathematically impossible to NOT have Intelligent ETs out there. Have you seen the standard equations used to guess at how many planets worth of intelligent life are out there? Talk about a lot of assumptions and arrogance. We can't even show any real evidence that the speed of light is a constant outside our observations on one small planet. That's a bit like an amoeba guessing that life can only exist in a fluid.

AlphaTech
Apr 16, 2002, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by Backtothemac
Actually no I do not. I think that anyone that can look out into the vastness of space and say "we are alone" is the dumbest creature on the planet. Cows would have a mental hand up an that dumba$$.

Like I have said. If you choose not to believe in organized religion because of the corruption, then I would have to agree with you. If you choose not to believe at all, that is your perspective and I respect that and would fight to the death for your right to believe that. I just don't understand how someone could believe in nothing that is all.

I choose to believe in my own abilities and capabilities. Religeon has never done a thing for me, if anything it has done harm. Most of the heavily religeos people I have encountered are more then a little closed minded about other people's beliefs.

As I have mentioned before, religeon is a crutch that I do not need, nor want. I know that I will always have my family members (the ones still around at least) that I can count on for help when the chips are down.

Backtothemac
Apr 16, 2002, 01:07 PM
Alpha,
Like I said, I will defend your right to believe what you believe to the death. Oh, and now you have met one heavily religious person who is open minded. ;)


Mischief,
Could not agree with you more.

Mr. Anderson
Apr 16, 2002, 01:18 PM
Originally posted by AlphaTech
I choose to believe in my own abilities and capabilities. Religeon has never done a thing for me, if anything it has done harm. Most of the heavily religeos people I have encountered are more then a little closed minded about other people's beliefs.

Faith vs. Fact is what it boils down to. There was an engineer here at work, EE with a Masters Degree. He was working on powerbeaming and rf stuff, not for the lighthearted in any way, extremely intelligent, yet he was a creationist!

I was floored, I couldn't believe it. But it was good to see that even with all his scientific education, he was still willing to put faith ahead of facts. There are all types in this world, and everyone is entitled to their beliefs.

Given the approximate age of the universe(14 Billion years), its size and immensity, I can't help but to believe that there is life somewhere beyond our little blue marble. To think what some races could do, if they survive long enough, in a million years of growth, a billion? Where will the human race be in a million years?

travis
Apr 16, 2002, 01:23 PM
Rower, yes, I read everything you wrote and took it to heart, I really did, and I appreciate your input. As for you others, life requires such a delicate balance that it really shouldn't exist at all, but God decided to create being in His image (mankind), and then put us in an environment (our unique orbit around the sun) where we would thrive. As for knowing that the ultimate reward lies ahead, crack open a Bible, Hebrews 11:1, it's all about faith bay-bee!!!

rainman::|:|
Apr 16, 2002, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by travis
...but God decided to create being in His image (mankind), and then put us in an environment (our unique orbit around the sun) where we would thrive...

*looks down* does that mean God has a beer belly?

;)

I was actually going to post a message about scholarships, because it's a great way to free up cash - If they won't help you with a laptop, at least you can take out some of those student loans you're entitled to and buy one with that.

Or perhaps a new house, with what college costs these days...

But if you have a nice tan, I stand by my original assertion. Easier than filling out all those forms ;)

Have you tried Apple's financing? wait i suppose that's for people 18 and older... well do it in your dads name ;) Then when the bill comes, thank him heavily for investing in your education.

pnw

Mr. Anderson
Apr 16, 2002, 01:40 PM
Originally posted by travis
As for you others, life requires such a delicate balance that it really shouldn't exist at all

We might soon find out that life isn't all that rare. Mars and Europa are potential places that may harbor life, not life at an intelligent level maybe, but life all the same.

There are too many questions and the only way to get most of the answers is to go look for them. Some people are perfectly happy to have all there questions answered for them, others, like me, go out and find them ourselves. This shouldn't change the type of person you are. The morals laid down by the Bible and other Holy books are sound, but you also need to realize that society is changing, changing in ways we can't even imagine.

Galileo came along and forced the Catholic church to rethink its human centric model of the universe, even though they tried to keep him quiet. What do you think would happen if SETI had a break through? It would cause so many problems and issues that would require every person on the planet to rethink their role in the universe. I think by keeping an open mind I'm better prepared for the unknown. Someone who holds the bible close, can also say the same thing, for most things, but not for everything.

AlphaTech
Apr 16, 2002, 01:51 PM
dukestreet, all valid points... and you beat me to the punch too :D.

Travis, in your last statement, you came damned close to implying, if not stating, that the only people that will get any 'reward' are those that follow the bible (do notice, the little b is on purpose as with most of my capitalizations). Explain that to the Budists, the Muslims (the non-terrorist variety), the Jews.... If you walk out of that one, I would be surprised.

I don't remember exactly where it came from, but several years ago it was brought up by someone that there are essentially two types of people in this world... ducks and eagles... The ducks are followers, where the eagles are either loners or leaders. Many of the ducks require religeon in their lives to give it either direction, meaning, or validity. The eagles on the other hand, don't (while some use it as a tool).

Of course it can also be broken down to a line I love from the first Ghostbusters movie.. "Ray, when someone asks if you are a god, you say YES!!!"

Rower_CPU
Apr 16, 2002, 01:56 PM
I must say that I agree with duke and alpha here.

I was raised catholic, attended church, until my family decided that several hours on Sunday were better spent doing fun things outdoors and enjoying this wonderful world around us.

Backtothemac-
Who says any of us here do not believe in anything? I think it's pretty clear that most of us believe in evolution and the scientifically explained steps that brought us to where we are today. That is a very strong belief..nay, a faith in science that leads us to disbelieve the teachings of an ancient text written my MAN for his own devices.

mischief
Apr 16, 2002, 01:59 PM
I put up a Thread in General specifically for the Universal Population question.

So now we can let this little debutante get back to spangeing.;) :p :rolleyes:

AlphaTech
Apr 16, 2002, 02:14 PM
Rower_CPU, amen brother... LOL!!

Time that you waste in church could be better spent bonding with your family. Strengthen the ties that last an entire lifetime. With people that will always cover your back when you need it. Just like my father would do for me when I needed it. Just as I would do for my mother and sister, as well we the cousins and aunts and uncles, and one remaining grandfather.

I mentioned other items in the first thread like this, or where this has gone, about how wacked religeon is to me... not going into it all over again.

Mr. Anderson
Apr 16, 2002, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU

Who says any of us here do not believe in anything?

I totally believe there is a bigger picture. I just don't know what it is yet and I hope I find out. Its all part of my personal adventure called life. If I can change things for the better, make someone look at things from a different perspective, open their eyes to more than they're cabable or willing to see, I've done good. There isn't always one right answer, just remember that.

Mr. Anderson
Apr 16, 2002, 02:22 PM
Originally posted by AlphaTech
Time that you waste in church could be better spent bonding with your family. Strengthen the ties that last an entire lifetime. With people that will always cover your back when you need it.

When I was growing up and going with my familly to church every Sunday, it wasn't exactly a waste of time. I wasn't always looking forward to it, but it was time spent with other people in the community. We were all there to celebrate something special, although, I'd argue that not everyone was celebrating the same thing. But it did create a bond outside of the familly, something our own and something special.

I've not been able to find this since I've moved to DC, but someday I'm sure I will.

The church has a lot to offer, and I think everyone should have exposure to religion at some point in their life. But religion is also a very personal journey, you can share it with someone, but its not the same thing. Every one, as far as I'm concerned, needs to come to an understanding about their faith.

Backtothemac
Apr 16, 2002, 02:28 PM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU
I must say that I agree with duke and alpha here.

I was raised catholic, attended church, until my family decided that several hours on Sunday were better spent doing fun things outdoors and enjoying this wonderful world around us.

Backtothemac-
Who says any of us here do not believe in anything? I think it's pretty clear that most of us believe in evolution and the scientifically explained steps that brought us to where we are today. That is a very strong belief..nay, a faith in science that leads us to disbelieve the teachings of an ancient text written my MAN for his own devices.

Rower,
More than one person here has stated they don't believe in anything.

Actually, I believe in a combination of evolution and a religion. I don't think that just religion, nor just evolution has all the answers. Evolution leaves out too much, and most religions are blind to the facts of science. I think that the combination of the two are most plausible. Again, I am not nocking anyone for their faith, or lack there of, in a God, or Gods. Nor, am I saying that anyone is right or wrong. All I was saying is that we should commend the lad for doing something constructive with his time rather than suggesting that he cut something that he feels is important for his time. His request was for an old powerbook that would run OS 9. Not for a lecture on how to cut religion out of his life. Hell if I had one I would give it to him. If I had the money I would buy the kid a new one. I don't on either account, so lets get back to the idea of starting a fund for the kid. We have done this in the past before. I will put up 20 bucks, and we can let arn oversee the funds.

travis
Apr 16, 2002, 07:00 PM
Hello to all,
Backtothemac, I love you, man! I''ll babysit anytime you want me to. As for the rest of the discussion the bigbang theory, and evolution, aye....like a tornado ripping through a junkyard and out pops a resort hotel...or even better, from my physics class, Newton's second law of thermodynamics, from order, if left alone, chaos will follow, going completely against evolution...So, anyone have any time management tips/techniques to offer?

travis
Apr 16, 2002, 07:02 PM
Arn? I did a little search, he has done quite a few posts, I remember when this site was still a very baby site, which wasn't too long ago, and now it has nice scrollybars when you are on IE on a PC, plus it has some nice articles...how do you all have so much time to post thought-provoking things on here?

Rower_CPU
Apr 16, 2002, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by Backtothemac


Rower,
More than one person here has stated they don't believe in anything.

Actually, I believe in a combination of evolution and a religion. I don't think that just religion, nor just evolution has all the answers. Evolution leaves out too much, and most religions are blind to the facts of science. I think that the combination of the two are most plausible. Again, I am not nocking anyone for their faith, or lack there of, in a God, or Gods. Nor, am I saying that anyone is right or wrong. All I was saying is that we should commend the lad for doing something constructive with his time rather than suggesting that he cut something that he feels is important for his time. His request was for an old powerbook that would run OS 9. Not for a lecture on how to cut religion out of his life. Hell if I had one I would give it to him. If I had the money I would buy the kid a new one. I don't on either account, so lets get back to the idea of starting a fund for the kid. We have done this in the past before. I will put up 20 bucks, and we can let arn oversee the funds.

Where did they say that? I looked back through the posts and saw nothing to back up your claim. Since when is not believing in organized (or even judeo-christian) religion seen as believing in nothing?

I think the combo mentality is a nice fallback for when things get scary in the world of science. I think the answer is that we, as a species, don't have all of the answers yet as to how things work (physics, biology, etc.)...so religion is nice for filling in the blanks.
Don't tell me you don't think we evolved from apes...

I find the concept that a random occurrence of events lead to life on this planet much more comforting than the thought of some omnipotent, omnipresent being that created everything.

I do hold to the fact that there are certain "moral truths" that transcend organized religion. I just don't need someone else to tell me what they are.

Rower_CPU
Apr 16, 2002, 07:18 PM
Originally posted by travis
Hello to all,
Backtothemac, I love you, man! I''ll babysit anytime you want me to. As for the rest of the discussion the bigbang theory, and evolution, aye....like a tornado ripping through a junkyard and out pops a resort hotel...or even better, from my physics class, Newton's second law of thermodynamics, from order, if left alone, chaos will follow, going completely against evolution...So, anyone have any time management tips/techniques to offer?

Glad to see you joining the discussion! :D
Nothing like a little verbal sparring to get those neurons firing and boost those verbal scores on the SAT.

I take umbrage with the statement that chaos and evolution are mutually exclusive. Evolution is the occurrence of random events in the genetic development of a species that lead to mutation (very chaotic). Mutations that are beneficial to the species become adopted as mates with those qualities survive better, thus propagating the genetic changes until it becomes a standard for that species...and voilá, you've got a new species!

As for time management...like I said before, give yourself some allotted time for relaxtion (1 hour a week for Star Trek is not enough). Use it for Bible Study or meditation on your own. Use it for reading MacRumors. Use it for anything...just use it for yourself. I know it sounds selfish, but if you fall apart you will be less help to everyone than if you take a little bit of time regularly to do what you want. :)

Backtothemac
Apr 16, 2002, 07:58 PM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU


Where did they say that? I looked back through the posts and saw nothing to back up your claim. Since when is not believing in organized (or even judeo-christian) religion seen as believing in nothing?

I think the combo mentality is a nice fallback for when things get scary in the world of science. I think the answer is that we, as a species, don't have all of the answers yet as to how things work (physics, biology, etc.)...so religion is nice for filling in the blanks.
Don't tell me you don't think we evolved from apes...

I find the concept that a random occurrence of events lead to life on this planet much more comforting than the thought of some omnipotent, omnipresent being that created everything.

I do hold to the fact that there are certain "moral truths" that transcend organized religion. I just don't need someone else to tell me what they are.

Actually, we could have evolved from apes, hell we could have evolved from anything. The fact is that we don't know 100% sure of either religion or evolution. I do know that evolution is real because I can see it, study it, and watch it progress. As for religion it is all on faith. I reread the posts, and you are right, I must have misread. Anyway, I personally support anyones views even if they are different than mine, I just personally cannot believe that someone or something did not create all of existance. Fact is we will all find out one day ;)

Rower_CPU
Apr 16, 2002, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by Backtothemac


Actually, we could have evolved from apes, hell we could have evolved from anything. The fact is that we don't know 100% sure of either religion or evolution. I do know that evolution is real because I can see it, study it, and watch it progress. As for religion it is all on faith. I reread the posts, and you are right, I must have misread. Anyway, I personally support anyones views even if they are different than mine, I just personally cannot believe that someone or something did not create all of existance. Fact is we will all find out one day ;)

Nothing is 100%...at least we agree on that.

So let's leave it at "agreeing to disagree". Thanks for the discussion! :D

jelloshotsrule
Apr 16, 2002, 08:15 PM
Originally posted by MacAztec


Hahaha, that is all true. I hate the idea of someone ALWAYS being greater and smarter and wiser than me. I also hate sins. Whatever you do, its a sin. Even IF it is lying for the better, you have to go "confess" or you will go to hell.

what particular religion are you quoting here with the whole everything you do is a sin and will make you go to hell?

i'm catholic and i don't think that only christians will go to heaven. i also don't think that only religious people will go to heaven.

also, the nonchalant comments about the priest pedophilia events are offensive i think. if only because it treats it so lightly. if only out of respect for the victims, it's not something that should be joked about so lightly. these peoples' lives have been screwed up bad because of sick people. sick PEOPLE. not just because the people were priests. sure, that enabled them to have the access to kids' lives that they do, but the priesthood itself did not cause anyone to sexually abuse anyone- at least as of now. perhaps further studies will show that the whole no marriage, chastity thing is somewhat respsonsible. who knows.

jelloshotsrule
Apr 16, 2002, 08:19 PM
Originally posted by AlphaTech


I choose to believe in my own abilities and capabilities. Religeon has never done a thing for me, if anything it has done harm. Most of the heavily religeos people I have encountered are more then a little closed minded about other people's beliefs.

As I have mentioned before, religeon is a crutch that I do not need, nor want. I know that I will always have my family members (the ones still around at least) that I can count on for help when the chips are down.

2 things

1. you can believe what you want. but it is hypocritical when you say that religious people are closed minded and then you yourself go and clump religious people all together into some sort of closeminded, other hating group of people. also, you are completely closed minded to religion. that's fine, but don't use the "religious people are close minded" argument in that case

part 2 in next post... ha

DavidOS
Apr 16, 2002, 08:19 PM
I a know that I am new here, but . . . I thought this fourm was about a bunch of good people having a friendly conversation about mac rumors. we have dropped about 90% of the mac relatedness, and 100% of the niceness. Is it worth it?

hmmmm . . .

Dave

jelloshotsrule
Apr 16, 2002, 08:22 PM
Originally posted by AlphaTech
Rower_CPU, amen brother... LOL!!

Time that you waste in church could be better spent bonding with your family. Strengthen the ties that last an entire lifetime. With people that will always cover your back when you need it. Just like my father would do for me when I needed it. Just as I would do for my mother and sister, as well we the cousins and aunts and uncles, and one remaining grandfather.

I mentioned other items in the first thread like this, or where this has gone, about how wacked religeon is to me... not going into it all over again.

sorry, forgot the quote and didn't want to confuse...

2. you are implying in the first paragraph that religious people would not stand by their families for some reason, or that they are not as tight/close knit as people who don't go to church... i'm sure i'm just assuming. sorry if that's the case..

also, "how whacked religion is to me" sums it all up.... to YOU. allow others to decide for themselves mr. free thinker :)

AlphaTech
Apr 16, 2002, 08:23 PM
Originally posted by DavidOS
I a know that I am new here, but . . . I thought this fourm was about a bunch of good people having a friendly conversation about mac rumors. we have dropped about 90% of the mac relatedness, and 100% of the niceness. Is it worth it?

hmmmm . . .

Dave

in two words.. hell no...

jelloshotsrule
Apr 16, 2002, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by DavidOS
I a know that I am new here, but . . . I thought this fourm was about a bunch of good people having a friendly conversation about mac rumors. we have dropped about 90% of the mac relatedness, and 100% of the niceness. Is it worth it?

hmmmm . . .

Dave

i think that most of us accept this as a pretty interesting, friendly debate/conversation.

i personally do not dislike or hate anyone if they're not religious. just ask them for the open mindedness they insist upon from religious people.

i think it's not gotten too harsh yet, but maybe that's just me.

jelloshotsrule
Apr 16, 2002, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by AlphaTech


in two words.. hell no...

2 more words:

true dat

Rower_CPU
Apr 16, 2002, 08:30 PM
Originally posted by jelloshotsrule


2 things

1. you can believe what you want. but it is hypocritical when you say that religious people are closed minded and then you yourself go and clump religious people all together into some sort of closeminded, other hating group of people. also, you are completely closed minded to religion. that's fine, but don't use the "religious people are close minded" argument in that case

part 2 in next post... ha

I'll point out a couple of things here, since Alpha seems otherwise occupied...

He actually said "Most of the heavily religeos people I have encountered are more then a little closed minded about other people's beliefs." Note the use of two qulaifiers to narrow it down to "heavily" religious people, and then to exclude a select few of those as well...

He doesn't say ALL religious people are closed minded.

Rower_CPU
Apr 16, 2002, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
also, "how whacked religion is to me" sums it all up.... to YOU. allow others to decide for themselves mr. free thinker :)

To follow up...

He is expressing his own opinion (just like you) about religion. He's not saying "religion is whacked and all of you should stop going to church". He's not trying to impose his opinion on someone else. He IS a free thinker since he has the courage to stand up to the "moral right" and go against the majority...as are all of us here have expressed our opinions both for and against religion.

Now who's trying to silence who here?

jelloshotsrule
Apr 16, 2002, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU


I'll point out a couple of things here, since Alpha seems otherwise occupied...

He actually said "Most of the heavily religeos people I have encountered are more then a little closed minded about other people's beliefs." Note the use of two qulaifiers to narrow it down to "heavily" religious people, and then to exclude a select few of those as well...

He doesn't say ALL religious people are closed minded.

yeah, i understand that.

i wouldn't say a "select few"="most" though.

but yeah, i understand that. but he and most non religious people (heck, even i agree about a lot of people, especially certain religions) tend to think that certain religious people are totally closed minded, both to other religions than their own as well as atheism.

if some christian were to tell me that only people who accept jesus as their savior will go to heaven, i'd disagree. i do believe in jesus (i'm catholic as i said) but i do think that some people aren't hit with faith, as well as i think that living a good life can do it.

i mean, there are PLENTY of hypocritical religious people. most people in general are hypocritical in some aspects (myself included).

i'm just saying that to be totally closed to religion and say you're a free thinker doesn't click with me. if you were to say "i don't believe religions are good or right for me". that's fine. but it is different than telling someone that they are wasting their time with church/religion.

ps. i do hope that you all realize i'm not getting worked up, just enjoying the discussion...

jelloshotsrule
Apr 16, 2002, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU


To follow up...

He is expressing his own opinion (just like you) about religion. He's not saying "religion is whacked and all of you should stop going to church". He's not trying to impose his opinion on someone else. He IS a free thinker since he has the courage to stand up to the "moral right" and go against the majority...as are all of us here have expressed our opinions both for and against religion.

Now who's trying to silence who here?

i think we were typing at the same time... basically i read some of the posts (especially earlier) as telling the guy that church is a waste of time. if i'm wrong, i'm wrong. i'll check it out.

Rower_CPU
Apr 16, 2002, 08:43 PM
Originally posted by jelloshotsrule


i think we were typing at the same time... basically i read some of the posts (especially earlier) as telling the guy that church is a waste of time. if i'm wrong, i'm wrong. i'll check it out.

I agree...I am enjoying this discussion. I'm not trying to accuse you of anything here. :D

I can see how you would get that impression from the post...but I don't think he was trying to say "Travis, you should stop going to church because it's a waste of time".

Alpha...care to jump in?

Mr. Anderson
Apr 16, 2002, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
but it is different than telling someone that they are wasting their time with church/religion.

This gave me a thought. You really can't force a religion on someone or take it from them. Its still a personal thing. Sure its been tried, the Catholic Church has a very, very long history of abuse, but its managed to get its act together, somewhat.

Regardless if the its 'the Word of God' its still been interpreted by humans who have their own agenda and put a spin on it. Look at all the people who take things out of context from the bible to back up their actions. Not to mention the heresies of the 5th and 6th century. But Monty Python put it best 'No body expects the Spanish Inquisition....'

What is the big picture? No one can really know. That's what makes it so mysterious. Philosophically it can be said 'Religion and God allow us to give a name to our fears'. Go ahead, flame on!

jelloshotsrule
Apr 16, 2002, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU


I agree...I am enjoying this discussion. I'm not trying to accuse you of anything here. :D

I can see how you would get that impression from the post...but I don't think he was trying to say "Travis, you should stop going to church because it's a waste of time".

Alpha...care to jump in?

you were kinda right there. i looked back and i believe you both said that he should give up his church time... which to me comes off as a half joke and thus not as straight out 'don't go to church' as i had remembered. i guess i was just mixing the tone overall with that particular comment.

however, the kid saying "i DO believe in jesus" as some sort of reason for us to give him a computer or money for one was kinda silly..

haha. funny how that short comment started all this. ahhhh. fun times

Rower_CPU
Apr 16, 2002, 08:48 PM
Well said, dukestreet!
I agree whole heartedly! :)

Rower_CPU
Apr 16, 2002, 08:49 PM
Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
haha. funny how that short comment started all this. ahhhh. fun times

"Neat, neat.....neat, fun."
Ana Gasteyer, SNL

jelloshotsrule
Apr 16, 2002, 09:04 PM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU


"Neat, neat.....neat, fun."
Ana Gasteyer, SNL

haha. funny cause i'm wearing my chris farley shirt today...

jelloshotsrule
Apr 16, 2002, 09:06 PM
Originally posted by dukestreet
This gave me a thought. You really can't force a religion on someone or take it from them. Its still a personal thing. Sure its been tried, the Catholic Church has a very, very long history of abuse, but its managed to get its act together, somewhat.

Regardless if the its 'the Word of God' its still been interpreted by humans who have their own agenda and put a spin on it. Look at all the people who take things out of context from the bible to back up their actions. Not to mention the heresies of the 5th and 6th century. But Monty Python put it best 'No body expects the Spanish Inquisition....'

What is the big picture? No one can really know. That's what makes it so mysterious. Philosophically it can be said 'Religion and God allow us to give a name to our fears'. Go ahead, flame on!

yeah, that's a good take on things.

as far as flaming.... i don't know why you'd get flamed. heck, i don't even know what flaming is or how to do it if there is a way... shows what i know

Mr. Anderson
Apr 16, 2002, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by jelloshotsrule


yeah, that's a good take on things.

as far as flaming.... i don't know why you'd get flamed. heck, i don't even know what flaming is or how to do it if there is a way... shows what i know

Anyone who holds the bible close to their heart might take offense. I felt as though I had posted a rather strong reply, but its what I feel, so I'll defend it if necessary. Thats all. Glad not to have dealt with the heat.

Rower_CPU
Apr 16, 2002, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by jelloshotsrule


yeah, that's a good take on things.

as far as flaming.... i don't know why you'd get flamed. heck, i don't even know what flaming is or how to do it if there is a way... shows what i know

From dictionary.com:

flame
<messaging> To rant, to speak or write incessantly and/or rabidly on some relatively uninteresting subject or with a patently ridiculous attitude or with hostility towards a particular person or group of people. "Flame" is used as a verb ("Don't flame me for this, but..."), a flame is a single flaming message, and "flamage" /flay'm*j/ the content.

jelloshotsrule
Apr 16, 2002, 09:17 PM
Originally posted by dukestreet


Anyone who holds the bible close to their heart might take offense. I felt as though I had posted a rather strong reply, but its what I feel, so I'll defend it if necessary. Thats all. Glad not to have dealt with the heat.

well yeah, there are some christians that interpret the bible very literally, just as there are those types of people with the constitution...

but i think catholics are becoming less like that. (SOME of them!) a friend of mine is very fundamentalist and is pretty sure that only by accepting jesus does one get 'saved'.. i don't agree, but then again, the guy's great. so what're you gonna do?

so what is flaming exactly? is it like "warning" on instant messenger? i don't see any 'flame' tool per se on here... or is it just an abstract "flame" type of response...?

jelloshotsrule
Apr 16, 2002, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU


From dictionary.com:

flame
<messaging> To rant, to speak or write incessantly and/or rabidly on some relatively uninteresting subject or with a patently ridiculous attitude or with hostility towards a particular person or group of people. "Flame" is used as a verb ("Don't flame me for this, but..."), a flame is a single flaming message, and "flamage" /flay'm*j/ the content.

ha. some might "flame" you for that response.

but i won't. tim meadows is on comedy central right now and he's a funny funny man.... to keep with the snl thing

Rower_CPU
Apr 16, 2002, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
tim meadows is on comedy central right now and he's a funny funny man.... to keep with the snl thing

He's been pretty quiet since leaving SNL...other than "The Ladies Man" and that new sitcom on NBC I haven't seen him much...

travis
Apr 16, 2002, 09:22 PM
Although I seriously do believe in Jesus, that's not the reason I'm looking for a laptop, I just want to get some homework done, neatly, quickly, and efficiently. HOMEWORK TIME!!!

jelloshotsrule
Apr 16, 2002, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU


He's been pretty quiet since leaving SNL...other than "The Ladies Man" and that new sitcom on NBC I haven't seen him much...

that michael richards show (that tim was on) got canned real quick. i never got to see it though... the ladies man was better than i expected from an snl movie... i wish i'd seen the couple episodes of michael richards, but oh well

what's the new show with tim? i thought i remembered hearing about it... but forget what it is...

Rower_CPU
Apr 16, 2002, 09:27 PM
Originally posted by jelloshotsrule


that michael richards show (that tim was on) got canned real quick. i never got to see it though... the ladies man was better than i expected from an snl movie... i wish i'd seen the couple episodes of michael richards, but oh well

what's the new show with tim? i thought i remembered hearing about it... but forget what it is...

Got it..."Leap of Faith":
http://www.nbc.com/Leap_of_Faith/bios/Tim_Meadows.html

Mr. Anderson
Apr 16, 2002, 09:29 PM
I just watched 'Watching Ellie' this evening. Its not all that bad. JLD might actually last a while, although I can't help but seeing some resemblance to the characters in Seinfeld.

jelloshotsrule
Apr 16, 2002, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU


Got it..."Leap of Faith":
http://www.nbc.com/Leap_of_Faith/bios/Tim_Meadows.html

ahhh yes! i'd heard about that but never actually gotten to see it.... thanks for the link he's got short hair in that pic.. gotta love the dreds...



Originally posted by dukestreet
I just watched 'Watching Ellie' this evening. Its not all that bad. JLD might actually last a while, although I can't help but seeing some resemblance to the characters in Seinfeld.

funny you mention that... in my comedy writing class we are working on sitcoms... and my teacher has written for some of them and such... anyways, he was a big JLD fan and started taping the show and showing it to us in class... well, after 2-3 shows we were all convinced it sucked. the 22 minute clock is a dumb gag that gets old quick. and the 2 i saw ended with her singing, which i just hated... did tonight's end that way?

anyways. my teacher said he saw like the 5th episode and it wasn't terrible, but the 6th was back to bad... looks like it will be canceled though... it might get a few more shows in next fall, but it doesn't look good. can't say i'll mind.

Mr. Anderson
Apr 16, 2002, 09:44 PM
Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
anyways. my teacher said he saw like the 5th episode and it wasn't terrible, but the 6th was back to bad... looks like it will be canceled though... it might get a few more shows in next fall, but it doesn't look good. can't say i'll mind.

Yeah, its not great like Seinfeld, but she didn't end up singing at the end, one of her ex's dogs had a model of the Lusitania glued to its ass, quite funny actually. I would agree it needs a little more wit. I've only seen 2 others and I'd say I didn't stop what I was doing and go turn on the tube for that show.

Now, Greg the Bunny, that's another story, blah! I will go watch that tomorrow night at 9:30 on Fox, blah!

jelloshotsrule
Apr 16, 2002, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by dukestreet


Yeah, its not great like Seinfeld, but she didn't end up singing at the end, one of her ex's dogs had a model of the Lusitania glued to its ass, quite funny actually. I would agree it needs a little more wit. I've only seen 2 others and I'd say I didn't stop what I was doing and go turn on the tube for that show.

Now, Greg the Bunny, that's another story, blah! I will go watch that tomorrow night at 9:30 on Fox, blah!

yeah, there were SOME funny parts for sure.

i heard bad things about greg the bunny but haven't gotten to see it yet. gotta love eugene levy though!

is that "blah" a good thing? ha

Rower_CPU
Apr 16, 2002, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by dukestreet
Now, Greg the Bunny, that's another story, blah! I will go watch that tomorrow night at 9:30 on Fox, blah!

I totally agree with you there....aiight...no, blah!
That show is pretty damn original! I'm really enjoying Fox's animated shows (Greg the Bunny is close enough): Simpsons, Futurama, King of the Hill...

jelloshotsrule
Apr 16, 2002, 09:51 PM
what do you guys think about malcolm in the middle?

i love that show... the characters are just great. the kids will be too old within a few years (or months) to play their ages anymore, but i think it's great...

i'm actually writing an episode for it for my class (we have to write for a current sitcom)...

eyelikeart
Apr 16, 2002, 09:52 PM
this thread went from some guy asking for a donation laptop to tv shows??

what happened to the excitement?! Alpha??? :eek:

MacAztec
Apr 16, 2002, 09:54 PM
This thread is goign psycho!
Oh geeze, Malcom is an awesome show...

Rower_CPU
Apr 16, 2002, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by eyelikeart
this thread went from some guy asking for a donation laptop to tv shows??

what happened to the excitement?! Alpha??? :eek:

You missed a few steps:
We went from donation laptop to religion to SNL to sitcoms...:D

Now this is a good discussion for evolution...how chaos theory works in discussion threads to completely derail the topic...:p

Entropy in action, baby!!!

jelloshotsrule
Apr 16, 2002, 09:58 PM
Originally posted by MacAztec
This thread is goign psycho!
Oh geeze, Malcom is an awesome show...

every character is great... i think malcolm might even be my least favorite... ha

craig is stellar. hal. amazing.

reese in his middle years (when he was going after the girl in particular)...

the mom is amazing too... and dewey's just a weird little nut

i'm even warming up to francis

travis
Apr 17, 2002, 08:40 AM
THis is a good example of how evolution would not work. If no one is here to moderate the topic, then chaos reigns and the thread goes off topic. Unless the Hand of God was there to intervene, chaos would happen. I suppose you could back in history and that in the past, when God was "allowed" in schools, there was a lot less vioence, when I get home this afternoon, I'll post more about something ya'll should read...till then!




powerbook anyone?

Mr. Anderson
Apr 17, 2002, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by travis
THis is a good example of how evolution would not work. If no one is here to moderate the topic, then chaos reigns and the thread goes off topic. Unless the Hand of God was there to intervene, chaos would happen. I suppose you could back in history and that in the past, when God was "allowed" in schools, there was a lot less vioence, when I get home this afternoon, I'll post more about something ya'll should read...till then!

powerbook anyone?

Still holding out for the computer?

Well, as for the hand of God and this thread, I'm thinking both Arn and Blakespot have better things to do than wade in hear and cure the schizophrenia. Its not psycho, it just doesn't know what it wants to be.

And there's nothing wrong with this 'off topic' thread. If you have a conversation with your friends, it might start out on one topic and end with a totally different one. That's the exact same thing that's happening here. We are having a conversation.

To use this as an example of evolution gone bad is quite silly, blah!

Oh, just so you know jelloshotrules, the Vampire on Greg the Bunny, Count Blah, ends his sentences with 'blah' once in a while. On the first episode Greg met the Count and they had a Abbot and Costello like discussion

Count:You can call me Blah, (small pause) blah!
Greg: Ok, Blah Blah
Count: No just Blah, (small pause) blah

You get the idea

go here and to get an idea about the site, pretty funny. Watch it tonight if you get the chance. 9:30 on Fox

http://www.fox.com/greg/set/index.htm

agreenster
Apr 17, 2002, 09:44 AM
Everyone hates sob stories. I dont care if you are a Native American Jew who had his homeland taken away and then sent off to Auschwitz all in one weekend, people still hate sob stories, espeically when coupled with a handout.

There are lots of hardworking, intelligent people in this world, but that doesnt mean (and shouldnt mean) that they 'deserve' anything. You sounds smart, and hard working--so you shouldn't be having such a hard time getting the computer you want. Just work out some sort of payment plan - negotiate with your parents somehow. Im just not sure that coming to a random rumor site and begging for a computer is the smartest way to go.

Mr. Anderson
Apr 17, 2002, 09:52 AM
Originally posted by agreenster
Everyone hates sob stories.

And the agreenster wades in with fists flailing....

Bringing us back to the matter at hand. After several days, 5 pages and over 110 posts later - will this thread ever end - travis is still out of luck. My guess, and I agree with the agreenster, although I wouldn't have been as forceful, that looking for handouts is not exactly the way to go here.

Most people I know routine make sacrifices to get what they want. My second Mac I used the Apple Loan program and ended up paying extra just to have a Mac. I'd do it again, but hopefully I won't have to. My advice, try and solve this problem on your own. It will be a growing experience. Leave the message board as a resource to have answers to the technical and philosophical questions answered.

Haven't seen you around the boards lately agreenster, you been on vacation?

agreenster
Apr 17, 2002, 09:53 AM
You mentioned that you will write more "when you get home." So, you have a home computer. Thats better than 90% OF THE WORLD. Only 10% of the worlds opoulation have a home/personal computer. Think about that before you go talking about 'needing' anything. You just really really WANT one, just like EVERYONE else here on the site.

Oh, and one more thing:

Cool it with this whole 'hand of god' nonsense. How do you know that what you call 'order' isnt really just evolution running in its purest form. What we call 'normal' and structured in nature is only normal because it is what we are used to. To people living 5000 years ago (which even Biblical scholars agree) would think our world is the most bizarre, unrealistic, UN NATRUAL thing ever. Plus, we cant even begin to understand nature, the oceans, space, even with our advanced knowledge.

Anyway, thats another story

agreenster
Apr 17, 2002, 10:00 AM
Hey DukeStreet

No, havent been on vacation-its my senior year in college, and my senior project/film has been kicking my ass. I dont sleep anymore, do nothing but animate, render, eat, and study (on occasion). Its pure hell. Last week, I got a cumulative total of 13 hours of sleep in a 7 day period. By the seventh day, I was extremely delirious, and was having all kinds of mental problems.

Anyway, Im not sobbing about it because I wouldnt trade it for anything. I love to animate and make movies, and I thrive off of working so hard that you make yourself sick. Then you know you are doing your absolute best.

I think thats why I hear people complaining about their hard knock life, I always think it could be worse. I mean hell, we live in America for Christ's sake. We are the luckiest people alive. I sometimes think we have nothing to complain about.

Mr. Anderson
Apr 17, 2002, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by agreenster
its my senior year in college, and my senior project/film has been kicking my ass.

I've been there, the sleep deprivation thing is quite weird, eh? What are you doing for your film? Is it all computer animation or live shooting with special effects? I'd be interested in learning more.

agreenster
Apr 17, 2002, 10:20 AM
Here's movie poster:
www.trentonbranding.com/imac/pirate.htm

mcrain
Apr 17, 2002, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by agreenster
Here's movie poster:

Where??? No poster here.

As for senior year hard work, all I can say is no one likes a sob story.

Try working your butt off for 5 days straight so you can get your client's post-conviction petition filed on time so he doesn't get electocuted or lethal injection.

agreenster
Apr 17, 2002, 10:38 AM
Oops--sorry. I couldnt get the image attachment thing to work. I uploaded it now--its fixed on the link above.

But I already beat you to the punch about the 'sobbing' thing.--please note in the above post that I wasn't 'sobbing.' I love hard work.

And Im also not trying to say that YOUR work or anyone elses is just as hard or valueable. By the sound of it, it is.

My point is, people SHOULD work hard, and use that ability to work for what they want or need, not ask for handouts.

Mr. Anderson
Apr 17, 2002, 12:27 PM
Very nice! What are you using to do the CGI? How long is going to be? Post a small version online, I'd love to see it.

jelloshotsrule
Apr 17, 2002, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by agreenster
Oops--sorry. I couldnt get the image attachment thing to work. I uploaded it now--its fixed on the link above.



indeed it looks good. i'll be going through the same thing next year with my final project/film. i hope i can get some good looking characters as you did..

are you working with a group or just by yourself? and how long have you been in the process..?

travis
Apr 17, 2002, 01:00 PM
Wow, I can't believe there have been so many posts, but anyways, I appreicate all the insight everyone has given me, but I must accept that this thread has non-evolutionarily gone chaotic, so it no longer revolves around me, which is ok, because I can't control everyuthing, but anyways, It's been fun! especially since the post which started this monumental thread was my very first post here!

mcrain
Apr 17, 2002, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by travis
I appreicate all the insight everyone has given me, *** so it no longer revolves around me, which is ok, because I can't control everyuthing,

Best advice I can give you kid is to go rob some old lady and buy your own computer. Otherwise, put your nose to the grindstone and maybe someday you will be able to afford a new computer. Then again, you might just knock up that nappy ho you been dating, and then you won't have any money to spend on a new computer. That's what you get for scrimping on condoms. You should always buy the good ones. Believe me when I tell you that saving 35 cents on a pack of condoms just isn't worth the price of having an unwanted little poop factory.

blackpeter
Apr 17, 2002, 03:23 PM
I bet one of these guys will give a good, little boy his first computer... ;)

http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos063.htm

jelloshotsrule
Apr 17, 2002, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by tfaz1
I bet one of these guys will give a good, little boy his first computer... ;)

http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos063.htm

or what about teachers who sexually abuse their students?

it's not the priest in the person causing them to do it, it's the sickness in the person.

so now that we've briefly hit religion again here, lets' quickly move on to snl and sitcoms! ha :)

Mr. Anderson
Apr 17, 2002, 04:07 PM
I think the thread has gotten too long, why don't we all move on. Start a thread about SNL and the Mac Commercials they've done. There were several posted earlier.

jelloshotsrule
Apr 17, 2002, 04:10 PM
Originally posted by dukestreet
I think the thread has gotten too long, why don't we all move on. Start a thread about SNL and the Mac Commercials they've done. There were several posted earlier.

i'll agree with you about this thread. however i don't know anything about the mac commercials snl has done..? so i wouldn't feel fit to start such a thread.

duke: any progress on the 3D smiley guy?

travis
Apr 17, 2002, 04:16 PM
er?
So if we really are seperating those other comments from this thread we can get back to the subject? really? that would be so cool!

voicegy
Apr 17, 2002, 05:04 PM
If anyone can donate the kid a computer, laptop preferred, please e-mail him at the address he left at the top of this post.

Religion, sexual orientation, schizophrenia, evolution, Greg the Bunny and sleeplessness can be found in various posts on other forums.

Now go install OS X Update 10.1.4




Well....what are you waiting for?!

blackpeter
Apr 17, 2002, 05:05 PM
...just trying to be topical. Sorry if the humor hit a sore spot.

Laugh different.

cleo
Apr 17, 2002, 06:17 PM
Originally posted by travis
As for you others, life requires such a delicate balance that it really shouldn't exist at all, but God decided to create being in His God's image (mankind)humankind , and then put us in an environment (our unique orbit around the sun) where we would thrive.

My edits in red.

Right. God is not a man! (God is not a woman, for that matter!) God is beyond our comprehension and our language! The casting of God in the image of MAN is what has gotten us into all of the messes we're currently in!

And to anyone who says, "'Man' is just a generic term for all people": go to a room filled with half men and half women, and ask all of the men to stand up. Then tell me it's inclusive language.

</angry feminist rant>

Rower_CPU
Apr 17, 2002, 07:56 PM
Originally posted by cleo


My edits in red.

Right. God is not a man! (God is not a woman, for that matter!) God is beyond our comprehension and our language! The casting of God in the image of MAN is what has gotten us into all of the messes we're currently in!

And to anyone who says, "'Man' is just a generic term for all people": go to a room filled with half men and half women, and ask all of the men to stand up. Then tell me it's inclusive language.

</angry feminist rant>

Well done! And we're off again...

I agree that one of my main problems with organized religion is the phallocentrism and hypocritical nature of the dogma.

The Bible was written by men, for men, to suit their purposes.

Mr. Anderson
Apr 17, 2002, 09:40 PM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU


Well done! And we're off again...

dogma.


Dogma, a great movie, Chris Rock is the Black 13th Apostle, Jesus was a blackman and God is played by Alanis Morissette. I really enjoy movies that make you think and look differently at things you take for granted some times.

jelloshotsrule: I'll be posting 'Smiley' when I get him rigged and all the endomorphs done. I'll have about 24 or so facial states for emotion and talking, it takes a while. The nice thing is that he only has arms and hands, no legs, so he just floats around and its a little less work. I'll end up putting him in my avatar too, so if you don't see me post something, you'll know he done when he shows up there.

Rower_CPU
Apr 17, 2002, 09:51 PM
Originally posted by dukestreet
Dogma, a great movie, Chris Rock is the Black 13th Apostle, Jesus was a blackman and God is played by Alanis Morissette. I really enjoy movies that make you think and look differently at things you take for granted some times.

I like Jay and Silent Bob as the Prophets...and who could forget "Buddy Jesus"?
Actually, that doesn't sound like too bad of an idea right now...the Catholic church could definitely use a new image...

Mr. Anderson
Apr 17, 2002, 10:05 PM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU
...the Catholic church could definitely use a new image...

They are in a bit of a tight situation. One thing they should do is allow priests to marry, they're having a really hard time getting new priests as it is.

At the beginning of Christianity, priests could marry, but politics got involved and celebacy provided an end to Papal office staying in the familly. Not that it didn't keep them out, it just made things worse. The Borgia's were a particularly interesting bunch.

jelloshotsrule
Apr 17, 2002, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by dukestreet

jelloshotsrule: I'll be posting 'Smiley' when I get him rigged and all the endomorphs done. I'll have about 24 or so facial states for emotion and talking, it takes a while. The nice thing is that he only has arms and hands, no legs, so he just floats around and its a little less work. I'll end up putting him in my avatar too, so if you don't see me post something, you'll know he done when he shows up there.

yeah i figured it would be a long time coming but i wasn't sure how long you'd been working on it and such...

i wish i'd have done a non-human type character for mine, just because i think there's less complications as far as expectations of what it SHOULD look like... but good learning experience i guess... will keep an eye on your icon.

jelloshotsrule
Apr 17, 2002, 10:09 PM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU


I like Jay and Silent Bob as the Prophets...and who could forget "Buddy Jesus"?
Actually, that doesn't sound like too bad of an idea right now...the Catholic church could definitely use a new image...

i don't remember buddy jesus from the movie... but i went to the upright citizen's brigade theater and saw a great group one time that had a skit about a jesus that is hip and stuff... he comes in and yells "booyah!" while the mom is trying to get her kids ready for church. he then proceeds to punch the mom out and gives the kids pop rocks communion.. haha. now that's just funny

Rower_CPU
Apr 17, 2002, 10:20 PM
Originally posted by jelloshotsrule


i don't remember buddy jesus from the movie... but i went to the upright citizen's brigade theater and saw a great group one time that had a skit about a jesus that is hip and stuff... he comes in and yells "booyah!" while the mom is trying to get her kids ready for church. he then proceeds to punch the mom out and gives the kids pop rocks communion.. haha. now that's just funny

"Buddy Jesus" was the statue George Carlin, the Catholic priest (now there's an oxymoron) was demoing as the church's new advertising piece...think of the classical Jesus picture (long brown hair, blue eyes, robe - BTW, what do you Christians think of the fact the Jesus' image has been lightened through the years to make him more palatable to whites?), now think of the Fonz from Happy Days (attitude-wise)...now you've got Jesus with a big cartoon smile, winking at you, giving you a big thumbs-up...

jelloshotsrule
Apr 17, 2002, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by Rower_CPU
"Buddy Jesus" was the statue George Carlin, the Catholic priest (now there's an oxymoron) was demoing as the church's new advertising piece...think of the classical Jesus picture (long brown hair, blue eyes, robe - BTW, what do you Christians think of the fact the Jesus' image has been lightened through the years to make him more palatable to whites?), now think of the Fonz from Happy Days (attitude-wise)...now you've got Jesus with a big cartoon smile, winking at you, giving you a big thumbs-up...

haha. i remember slightly now... i didn't like the movie overall. i did think keeping the faith was pretty funny though. just not a big fan of the whole jay and silent bob type movies in general...

as far as the white jesus. i think it's pretty clear that he would have been pretty dark skinned, based on where he lived. similar to the way that in most african depictions jesus is black, he is white skinned in most other places. i haven't been to the middle east, but i'd guess if they represent him as their skin tone, then they'd be the most accurate ones... there are other misrepresentations of people in many other areas too..

i think i rememeber seeing particular native americans from history (sacajawea and other ones that "helped" us whiteys) that are really depicted as being very light skinned most of the time, which is probably not too accurate.

3rdpath
Apr 17, 2002, 11:21 PM
i had to check this thread out just to see how it could be 6 pages long----and now i find out i've missed a forum on jay and silent bob, jesus AND a rant from cleo.....man i miss out on all the fun:mad:

agreenster
Apr 18, 2002, 01:16 AM
Originally posted by jelloshotsrule


indeed it looks good. i'll be going through the same thing next year with my final project/film. i hope i can get some good looking characters as you did..

are you working with a group or just by yourself? and how long have you been in the process..?

Sorry it took so long to get back to you guys, and thanks for your positive comments.

Ive been working solo on it for about 9 months now. Im using Cinema4D XL 7, but if I had to do it again, I'd definitely go with Maya, because of the huge price cut. Maya complete is only 2 grand. Thats amazing.

Anyway, I should be finishing it up this week, and I'll try to remember to give you guys a link so you can check it out, when I get around to posting it online. Its only a short, about 6 minutes long. But, 3D animation takes forever, and 6 minutes is actually pretty average fora student film.

Anyway--talk to ya later

PS: has that kid gotten his laptop yet? Hell, by the time this thread is over, all of our laptops will be old enough to donate. !! :)

jelloshotsrule
Apr 18, 2002, 01:19 AM
Originally posted by agreenster

Ive been working solo on it for about 9 months now. Im using Cinema4D XL 7, but if I had to do it again, I'd definitely go with Maya, because of the huge price cut. Maya complete is only 2 grand. Thats amazing.

Anyway, I should be finishing it up this week, and I'll try to remember to give you guys a link so you can check it out, when I get around to posting it online. Its only a short, about 6 minutes long. But, 3D animation takes forever, and 6 minutes is actually pretty average fora student film.


wow. 6 minutes solo is pretty impressive. i assume that includes creating the characters, rigging, etc eh? i'm definitely interested to see how your deformations look, as that's the thing i had the biggest problem with. i'm better at the actual timing and animation than i am with the rig... that's one main reason i hope to work with someone, besides being able to produce a bigger overall project...

my teacher has basically said he'd expect like a minute out of me for 2 classes worth, for 2 semesters, with a group of 1 or 2 other people... so heck, 6 minutes in itself is amazing. good luck to you!

ps. are you using your own comp/software or the school's?

Mr. Anderson
Apr 18, 2002, 08:58 AM
Originally posted by agreenster

Ive been working solo on it for about 9 months now. Im using Cinema4D XL 7, but if I had to do it again, I'd definitely go with Maya, because of the huge price cut. Maya complete is only 2 grand. Thats amazing.


6 minutes is huge in terms of 3D animation, well, animation of any type. I'm really looking forward to viewing it.

If you want to see something absolutely amazing, checkout

http://www.lotsofrobots.com

Not only did he do the animation, but the music as well. I was blown away. I also really liked Rocket Pants, his other short.

agreenster
Apr 18, 2002, 10:35 AM
Yeah, I've done all of the work, minus the narration-I had someone else do my voice-overs. But it was all written, modeled, textured, lit, animated, etc. by me.

Dont get the wrong idea though. Im not Pixar, and its still a student project. I am very proud of it though. I think I tried too hard to make a story, and it caused me to spend less time refining the animation since there is so much length to the film. 2 minutes of top-notch animation is as ambitious as 6 minutes of not-as-great animation.

But, it is tough to do yourself as well.

As far as computers go, I do most of my animating on a 550mHz TiBook, all of the post editing on my 400mHz G4, but all (most) of the rendering is done on the school's Dual 800 G4, and two single 867's. But hey, its all Apple, so its all good. I am happy with their performance. Other students here are amking a film on SGI's, and 2.2 gHz Intellistations, and are running into ALL sorts of problems. But, they are using Maya, and its certainly a more high end 3D package. They are doing great as well.

Oh, and just for the record, Lots of Robots totally kicks my ass.

Mr. Anderson
Apr 18, 2002, 11:45 AM
Originally posted by agreenster
Oh, and just for the record, Lots of Robots totally kicks my ass.

Lots of Robots kick ass period!

When he gets it all finished it will be interesting to see what happens. After I first saw it I was thinking it was Oscar quality, for the animated short catagory. Artistically its magnificent, I'm more concerned about where the stories going. Should be cool.:D

jelloshotsrule
Apr 18, 2002, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by dukestreet


Lots of Robots kick ass period!

When he gets it all finished it will be interesting to see what happens. After I first saw it I was thinking it was Oscar quality, for the animated short catagory. Artistically its magnificent, I'm more concerned about where the stories going. Should be cool.:D

indeed it does. that's amazing for one person.... wow. well, duke, you've succeeded in making me feel totally inadequate now! haha.

i love the kinda blown out type syle/colorization. and the beginning parts with the close ups of the various things and the landscapes out of focus in the back just goes to show that you can do a very simple background and with the depth of field of the camera you can just allow people to see the colors and shapes out of focus... that's something i have been wanting to start using, but then again i haven't done many REAL 3D projects... i guess that and lighting are my 2 favorite things at the moment...

Mr. Anderson
Apr 18, 2002, 12:56 PM
Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
indeed it does. that's amazing for one person.... wow. well, duke, you've succeeded in making me feel totally inadequate now! haha.

... i guess that and lighting are my 2 favorite things at the moment...

don't feel bad, hell, you've done more than I have. If I could show you the things I did way back in '92 on the Amigas for my 3D animation you would laugh you butt off. I can't because, thankfully, they're all on 3/4" tape and I have no access to a 3/4" deck.

I've just started playing around with 3D character animation myself using Lightwave and I've only done one thing so far. But I've got a few things in the works. Go check out one of my sites

http://www.flossgordon.com

I'm going to have a new trailer in a few months, but I'm still developing the characters. I also have a small character animation I'm doing right now and when I get it done, I'll post it. I'll end up using it for my avatar too.

And congrats on getting the project done, all on a mac too, that's great!:D

I make it priority to go and see all the big budget 3D movies, next time you go see one look at the credits and see how many people worked just on the lighting - in Shrek, I seem to remember there were more people working on the lighting than animators. And dramatic lighting is always best, dawn and dusk are real good. Getting detail in shadows is an artform.

jelloshotsrule
Apr 18, 2002, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by dukestreet

don't feel bad, hell, you've done more than I have. If I could show you the things I did way back in '92 on the Amigas for my 3D animation you would laugh you butt off. I can't because, thankfully, they're all on 3/4" tape and I have no access to a 3/4" deck.

I make it priority to go and see all the big budget 3D movies, next time you go see one look at the credits and see how many people worked just on the lighting - in Shrek, I seem to remember there were more people working on the lighting than animators. And dramatic lighting is always best, dawn and dusk are real good. Getting detail in shadows is an artform.

yeah but i AM paying like 40000 a year to learn the stuff... ha.

yeah, something i learned in my most recent film is that using the lighting for dramatic effect, rather than just to see everything on screen can make a movie soo much better. usually i do comedies so it's just pretty bright and such, but the last one was a dark comedy and it turned out very good... as compared to my others at least... ha. now i want to get some maya going and mess with lights!

Mr. Anderson
Apr 18, 2002, 01:51 PM
I did a quick check and found out that only one other thread had more posts, 176 back in March, 2002.

What was the topic?

jefhatfields - 'Macs and Religion'

I guess the topic hasn't run its course, huh?

merkn
Apr 18, 2002, 02:30 PM
I had a 4.25 in high school. High school is cake. AP Physics, AP Chem, AP Bio, AP US Hist, AP Euro Hist...blah blah blah. Also, National Honors Society isn't exactly hard to get in to. You don't have to be smart to get in it. In fact, I've known people in high school that took nothing but standard classes, no honors or AP, in high school and get in NHS.

I going to have quite a few (about 5) powerbook 1400's and 3400's in my posession in about a week (getting them from work), but I don't share with anyone but my girlfriend and brother.

Get a job. Tell your parents to kiss your ass and that homework comes first. Go drink with your friends and enjoy high school, assuming you have time for them since you're so busy. I did great in high school. Played baseball and football (along with the practice for 3 hours each day after school), took my AP courses, got wasted on the weekends. Enjoyed it. It doesn't sound like you enjoy having to get up at 4am to do all the **** you have to do.

Oh yeah. Get a job, or new parents that appreciate you.

--merkn

cleo
Apr 18, 2002, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by 3rdpath
i had to check this thread out just to see how it could be 6 pages long----and now i find out i've missed a forum on jay and silent bob, jesus AND a rant from cleo.....man i miss out on all the fun:mad:

Woo-hoo! I'll rant more often, if you like. :D

travis
Apr 18, 2002, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by merkn
I had a 4.25 in high school. High school is cake. AP Physics, AP Chem, AP Bio, AP US Hist, AP Euro Hist...blah blah blah. Also, National Honors Society isn't exactly hard to get in to. You don't have to be smart to get in it. In fact, I've known people in high school that took nothing but standard classes, no honors or AP, in high school and get in NHS.

I going to have quite a few (about 5) powerbook 1400's and 3400's in my posession in about a week (getting them from work), but I don't share with anyone but my girlfriend and brother.

***more stuff***

--merkn

I understand dude...but I do go to a special school. It's "self-paced." What I mean by that is that at the begining of the term, we are given a deadline sheet and a pak. a pak is about a magazine wide, and has lots of assignments. There aren't individual duedates for each assignment, but rather a due date for the pak, whick is typically anywhere from 4 days to two weeks. Every term (term=9 weeks) there are normally 7-14 paks, with lots and lots of stuff. THe point of this system is to help the student learn how to manage their time. So although this method allows flexibility, it also requires that the student possess a large amount of self control and self-discipline. As for sports, we have intramurals, but no "real" athletics. As for your brother and girlfriend, we are all a family of Mac users, so I ask you, would you consider sliding a powerbook this way? I understand what you mean being more relaxed, which I am trying, although my parents yell at me even more for not being "on task". Or at least, can you put me in touch with a source who may be able to provide a x400 series powerbook? thanks!

-travis

AlphaTech
Apr 18, 2002, 04:06 PM
I couldn't stay away for long....

travis, STOP looking for a handout of a computer. IF your parents are that big of a$$holes and won't give you some kind of compensation for working for them, then stop and get a job that pays you. Tell them that you need the money or for them to get you the computer. Trim down on your extra activities, you know, the ones that are not going to further your education and you really CAN live without. Get some down time and live a little. You are only a kid once, enjoy it while you can. Once you get out of school and into the work force, you are going to be kicking yourself big time for wasting your chance to have fun.

travis
Apr 18, 2002, 04:14 PM
hokay, i hear ya man...

Like I said earlier, their idea of compensation is food, a bed, and a roof over my head...They won;t allow me to get a job. I'm trying to enjoy my childhood, really I am, but when you are two months old and your parents are already planning which medical school you should go to, do you really have that much of a choice?

<kick target=myself>owww!</kick>
<scratch target=head><question>why why why?</question>

alex_ant
Apr 18, 2002, 04:27 PM
So... which medical school ARE you going to? :)

Mr. Anderson
Apr 18, 2002, 04:31 PM
Travis,

Once you graduate from college and get a real life, you're going to look back at all this crap and ask yourself why? Do you communicate with your parents or do you just listen to what they tell you to do? Do they know you want/need a computer to do your work? What's their response? You're never going to be able to use anything posted here as support for your cause with your parents, they won't, and rightly so, thinks its right. But you do need to talk with them. I put myself through college working full time and taking a full load of classes, I payed my dues. Everyone has a sob story, deal with your situation, make a change, or make the best of it.

My advice is to drop one or two things that you really don't need (do you need to be an officer of so many organizations in school), and don't give me crap about needing to have a lot of activities on your college applications. If you're going for an in state school, you're not going to have as much a problem if you were trying for MIT.

And if you're so smart, you should be able to find ways to make money some how. Do web development for someone at the church, you must have connections, for the loan of a computer to use, would be one suggestion. This way it would make your parents happy and get you what you want. There are so many options, just don't go looking for sympathy and hand outs.

Pants
Apr 18, 2002, 04:39 PM
my 'old ' laptop is curently being hacked into a mac classic to act as a server....so, no, it has a use! (old laptops apple should never die - you can always find a use for one! ) (pics to follow when I get my finger out...)

secondly, the second law of thermodynamics aint Newtons and it DOES not preclude life - in fact it rather promotes it....the Earth is not a completely open system, hence we dont actually need a creator to nudge it along in the right direction (you'd have more chance arguing this with the 'big bang', rather than than life on earth being prohibited by thermodynamics. I mean, we aint nothing but metastable... :) ....). Keep that grade average thingy up by having a deeper look at the world of chemical thermodynamics - everything is thermo! And finally, deny evolutionary theory, you deny ALL of scientific theory, and if you do, you wont have any need for a computer!
:)

AlphaTech
Apr 18, 2002, 08:39 PM
Travis,

Your parents suck. I'm sure you probably already know this, but still. Good parents don't make their kids work for them (besides house chores to get an allowance... ie $$$$) while in school. I had to stay with my folks when I got out of college, out of necessity. Once I had a job, we agreed upon an amount to cover their increased expenses of buying food, the utilities and such. I don't remember exactly what it came out to, but I think it came out to about $300 a month. Considering the quality of the place, the gourmet meals my father made on a daily basis, and what little I needed to do (kept my section clean and did the lawn) I got a great deal. Plus, I was working at the time and saving plenty of money.

travis
Apr 18, 2002, 09:15 PM
Oh, I feel so loved, I keep getting positive criticism, and I also just read the post about the 15 yr old guy who is trying to score a g3 laptop. Well, I am slightly older, but that doesn't matter, anyways, I think I will try for MIT, I think I have enough qualifications, and I already passed a term of AP calculus....
Well as for my relationship with my parents, i'm as close to them as anything...I don't hate my parents, I love them, they are nice enough...they just don't spoil me. For example, as a child, i didn't get to eat ANY candy or watch any saturday morning cartoons, I thought TV was permanently tuned to PBS...later I found my dad watching startrek...anyways, I now hereby choose to steer this thread into way of convincing my parents that I need a laptop, and why I should get to ebay a box of pretty valuable stuff. I have a syquest drive, lots of software (old), and a new 56k modem, maybe I could sell them to finance a powerbook? ideas, anyone?


no, I do not wish to be a doctor, altthough my parents want me to be, I want to work for nasa and/or be an astronaut, i'd take my ibook up in space and show them dirty pc users whose boss...

Mr. Anderson
Apr 18, 2002, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by travis
I think I will try for MIT, I think I have enough qualifications, and I already passed a term of AP calculus....

as a child, i didn't get to eat ANY candy or watch any saturday morning cartoons, I thought TV was permanently tuned to PBS...later I found my dad watching startrek...

I have a syquest drive, lots of software (old), and a new 56k modem, maybe I could sell them to finance a powerbook? ideas, anyone?

I want to work for nasa and/or be an astronaut, i'd take my ibook up in space and show them dirty pc users whose boss...

Good for you, take the initiative. Don't ever let anyone else tell you what your dreams are. Good luck trying for MIT, if you get in you'll get a chance at things you never dreamed of.

Saturday morning cartoons were a way of life for me, maybe that's why I'm doing 3D animation today. Can't believe you weren't allowed to see them, its almost mind boggling.

If you can raise the money on ebay, great. You might also find what you're looking for there as well at a significant reduction in price.

NASA is only OK. I worked there, JPL, for a summer. Its very politically driven.
It won't make you wealthy, but if you really like what you're doing, it can be very rewarding. But if you plan on that type of career, even astronaut, start thinking of spending more time in school. A master degree minimum, and a doctorate preferred. And you'll need to figure out what sort of thing you want to specialize in. But you'll figure that out in college. Go in with an open mind and find out what you enjoy to learn/study before you pigeon hole yourself into one thing.

travis
Apr 18, 2002, 09:37 PM
Actually, You only need a bachelor’s, but no one has gone up to NASA with only a BS in hand, that would be ridiculous. But yes, as for taking initiative, rather than waiting for a Powerbook to fall from the sky, I went out and asked for one, and now I feel loved by my fellow Mac users <tear> The only problem is my vision, it’s kind of bad. Your summer at JPL, was that a coop internship? I know a lot of people do those. Well to end, I’d like to do engineering, but if that doesn’t work out, I normally have more fun doing stuff with music, like the technical part of it, and biology and also some graphic and page design Mac stuff…well, for those of you still reading this thread, I’m waiting for the skies to open…

AlphaTech
Apr 18, 2002, 09:43 PM
Syquest drivers are a dead technology, even more so then floppies. I seriously doubt that you could even give that away. Since you said the software is old, unless they can qualify for upgrades to new versions, don't expect to get much of anything for them, if anything at all. As for the modem, unless it is a high end business modem (such as a Courier v.everything business modem) don't expect anyone to even want it.

agreenster
Apr 19, 2002, 09:04 AM
Originally posted by dukestreet
I did a quick check and found out that only one other thread had more posts, 176 back in March, 2002.

What was the topic?

jefhatfields - 'Macs and Religion'

I guess the topic hasn't run its course, huh?

HEEEEEEEEY!!!!!!!!!!

Check again!!!! I started that thread!!!!!!!!!

Sheesh! Whats a guy gotta do to get some credit around here!?!?!?

:)

Mr. Anderson
Apr 19, 2002, 09:20 AM
Originally posted by agreenster

HEEEEEEEEY!!!!!!!!!!

Check again!!!! I started that thread!!!!!!!!!

Sheesh! Whats a guy gotta do to get some credit around here!?!?!?
:)

Sorry. I goofed, jefhatfield was the last to post to the thread, I read his name by mistake.

Didn't realize you were so sensitive. The problem is, Travis did this as his first post and its run away and it looks like it won't stop. Its at 164 and closing...

But you could always do what sparkleytone did for one of his and resurect it in a few months. I bet you could get over 200 posts no problem.:D

agreenster
Apr 19, 2002, 09:36 AM
Dude.....Im just messin wit ya.

And how is everyone enjoying the nerd fight posted above? Yikes people.

I certainly agree with merken, that people should be well rounded, educated, athletic, and more social. I hate 'special' schools, because it does nothing but make weird people. I did the same thing in High School as merken, tested out of all my math and english in college by blowing the AP tests to pieces, but was still a three season athlete, got wasted on the weekends, was an artist, and had tons of fun.

It sounds like Travis (sorry buddy) is nothing more than a nerdy momma's boy, who wont stand up for himself, unless it is here at a MacRumors site. If you really want something, flex some muscle, and get it! You can raise enough money for a computer if you put your mind to it. And start thinking for yourself-- dont let your parents dictate your every move. Unless you want to be under their wing the rest of your life, its time to do a little heartbreaking, and start telling your folks "No." Its a tough thing to do, but by God it is certainly healthier for you.

Im not telling you to act out and be an ass, Im just telling you to tell them, "Look, I feel like I am working my brains out, both at school and at home. I get good grades, I am being successful, and I feel like all of this extra work I am required to do should be compensating me somehow. Can we work somthing out so I can get a laptop?"

If they say No, than maybe you should reconsider doing all this work for them.

mcrain
Apr 19, 2002, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by travis
no, I do not wish to be a doctor, altthough my parents want me to be, I want to work for nasa and/or be an astronaut, i'd take my ibook up in space and show them dirty pc users whose boss...

Well, I was accepted to the Air Force Academy, decided to go to a better acedemic program (U of Michigan), became an aerospace engineer, went to law school and am married to a girl with a biology degree and MD in less than a month. We did all that with no laptop computers and with minimal calculators (I had a radio shack model that couldn't do more than sin cosine on its best day)

So, stop feeling sorry for yourself, and realize that if your asian, oppressive parents are just part of the game. Remember you're an exceptional student because of their genetics and work ethic, not because of some stupid computer.

You can be what you want, but you won't get it for free, just like you aren't going to get a computer from any of us for free.

10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1... Blast off!

mcrain
Apr 19, 2002, 10:36 AM
Quick clarification on a comment from my previous post ->

Asian parents being oppressive... what I mean is that most Asian parents who are 1st or 2nd generation in the US are very, very hard working, very motivated, very demanding, and they place very high expectations on their children.

That is extremely common mainly because of the schooling systems in Asia: (see for e.g. China, Japan, India) Over there, there may be 20000 students all competing for one or two higher education spots. Then, once you get a higher education spot, you are competing with 10,000 others who also received spots for a very limited number of post-grad training spots.

Due to the extreme competition, and other cultural issues, most successful asians understand that to be successful, you have to work extremely, extremely hard, set high goals, and always be competitive. Therefore, Asian parents always try to motivate (through whatver means necessary) their children to work extremely hard, set high goals, and be competitive.

So, when I say oppressive, I mean only that if you are an American child of Asian descent, you have to just understand and accept that your parents will try to motivate and push you. That's just part of the deal.

teabgs
Apr 19, 2002, 11:13 AM
I've been trying to steer clear of this thread. I read it before anyone posted any thing and I was so tempted to just scream at this kid. I had a 4.2 was the Prs. of the National Art Honors Society, in the NHS(not hard to get into), Exec. Board for theater, Tech. Director for theater, all AP and honors classes, did art, animation, played music, had a girlfriend(lots of time there :D )had a job at a pizza place, hung out with friends, and made some films. Religion had nothing to do with anything for me, but it ok if people want it. I love SNL...the ladies man rocked. Also, there are other intelligent beings, I met one the other day, and I hated greg the bunny.

Travis: You need to just stop whinning and change your life. Dont do what people tell you to. Do what you feel is right. Screw your parents....they're bad people. WHy do they live in Texas? by choice? Mayeb thats your problem. You and George dubya...you're both stupid and simpleminded from the oil fumes and heat down in the lone star state...we should give it back to mexico...

Mr. Anderson
Apr 19, 2002, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by teabgs
and I hated greg the bunny.

Say it isn't so!:(

Actually, I watched it the other night and wasn't too impressed with it, except for the Resevoir Dogs reference. You're entitled to your own opinion, and I'm sticking to mine.

Great post btw, very 'forum war' like. Read sparkleytone's resurected thread to see what the forum was like in the good old days. We missed out on a lot of fun.:D

But I don't think Texas was ever part of Mexico, although Texas did expand into parts - Rio Grande. I think most Texan's would rather cecede from the USA than be part of Mexico....

jelloshotsrule
Apr 19, 2002, 11:44 AM
i didn't catch all of the greg the bunny episode, but i did pick up on the "blah" bit.... it's funny how subtle it is

i could see it getting old/annoying... kinda like stevie in malcolm in the middle...

teabgs
Apr 19, 2002, 12:17 PM
Yeah, I was reading that thread over....too bad man. That woulda been so fun. Oh well.

As for greg the bunny, we (my roomates and I)watched the first one. Were not impressed and turned it off the do homework at the commercial.

And Let texas cecede. Then the government would send the army over there and destroy the entire place. We'd be rid of some of the most ludicrous (sp?) and inane people ever! I seriously dont understand the Texas mentality. I'm from Maryland...I don't like it any more then any other state. Wow, its where I was born and raised...big deal. How can one be so patriotic about their home state? its stupid. Iƒ you want to be proud of something go out and actually accomplish something.

But wait...Texas is SOOO BIG.

Shut up!

Maybe I do like this thread after all ;)

AlphaTech
Apr 19, 2002, 12:31 PM
Size isn't everything... MA was one of the original 13 states but you don't see us plastering it all over the place or advertising it. We are also one of the smallest states but don't really care about that. Quality over qualtity :D.

Opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one, but watch out for people with multiple :D. Not all of them smell all that well either.

mcrain
Apr 19, 2002, 12:32 PM
I'm moving to texas soon from Illinois, and I agree with you. Why is where you live that big a deal. Granted, I'd rather live anywhere other than certain places, but that's me not liking somewhere. I like florida, but you don't hear me running around waving my hat around and saying remember disneyworld.

I just don't get it. But, as they would say, it's the texas way. :confused:

mcrain
Apr 19, 2002, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by AlphaTech
Size isn't everything...

Sure, that's what they all say.

mcrain
Apr 19, 2002, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by AlphaTech
Size isn't everything...

Let me guess... the next line is something like it's not the size of the wave, its the motion of the ocean?

Just remember that ponds only have ripples, and usually the ripples barely move the boat.

AlphaTech
Apr 19, 2002, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by mcrain


Let me guess... the next line is something like it's not the size of the wave, its the motion of the ocean?

Just remember that ponds only have ripples, and usually the ripples barely move the boat.

Actually, I wasn't going to say anything, but since you brought it up... It's all about how you use what you've got :D... Remember, the G4 duals destroyed pentiums when it came to certain tasks. Even though they were more then twice the speed.

Are you also putting Apple in that field?? Considering how we are only about 5% of the market, and m$ is soooo large (a large pile of crap smells more then a small pile :D).

teabgs
Apr 19, 2002, 12:44 PM
size and performance...As relates to computers so as not to be totally off topic. Is it possible to be off topic in this thread??? :rolleyes:

Anyway, would you rather have a computer from the 60's that's the size of a room(i.e. Texas) or a small portable iBook (place random small state here)???

AlphaTech
Apr 19, 2002, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by teabgs
size and performance...As relates to computers so as not to be totally off topic. Is it possible to be off topic in this thread??? :rolleyes:

Anyway, would you rather have a computer from the 60's that's the size of a room(i.e. Texas) or a small portable iBook (place random small state here)???

I'd take the TiBook over the football field sized computer any day of the week. :D

Mr. Anderson
Apr 19, 2002, 01:43 PM
Originally posted by AlphaTech
I'd take the TiBook over the football field sized computer any day of the week. :D

And now for another topic all together:

Deep Thought (the super computer from Douglas Adams' Universe books?) was big, but then they built Earth as the ultimate computer to find out the question to the answer of the meaning of life '42'

Douglas Adams was a huge Mac-o-phile, it really sucks he died so young.

Actually this sort of does fit in with the whole second topic of the thread. Someone should have mentioned '42' to travis earlier.:D

Oh, and this is officially the longest thread ever on MacRumors, sheesh, pathetic.

teabgs
Apr 19, 2002, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by dukestreet

Oh, and this is officially the longest thread ever on MacRumors, sheesh, pathetic.

Yes its pathetic, but its also funny :D

Mr. Anderson
Apr 19, 2002, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by teabgs


Yes its pathetic, but its also funny :D

Absolutely when you realize what the thread was started for. And not only that, someone read what was going on here and tried to do the same thing on another thread, had a different sob story, but asked for a handout anyway. Ah, the depths we'll go...

travis
Apr 19, 2002, 02:58 PM
ok well this is the thread starter guy for those of you who are now catching on...
hmm...the many things to say. Well first of all, not only am I well rounded, but I am also blessed in many areas, physically, mentally, spiritually, etc...So I guess I really shouldn't be looking for a powerbook, I should instead just keep working hard, I mean, I have it all under control...Maybe I'll try asking again, or would something smaller be more appropriate, like a palm pilot or something...

teabgs
Apr 19, 2002, 03:07 PM
Oh my god man! are you dense? Have you NOT been reading the posts in this thread that deal with your little whinning sob story? Nobody cares about your "problems" we're all the same boat.

You dont NEED anything. dont ask for handouts. that is what you SHOULD have learned by now. What you should ask for is a JOB at the local grocery store or something.

When you get a job and earn yourself whatever cash is left after good ol' Uncle Sam has his share you can start a thread entitled "I have money and would like to BUY and old powerbook from someone if they don't need it"

I'm sure if someone had an old PB that they dont use and you had say $150-200 youd be set. If you have a functioning mind and body go out and use it to get what you want. When you're out of mommy and daddies house the only way you'll get stuff is for you to go out and get it yourself.

travis
Apr 19, 2002, 03:12 PM
NO, No, no. I'm sorry, what I meant was that I was going to take ya'll's advice and ask my parents for a laptop, especially after all the stuff I do

AlphaTech
Apr 19, 2002, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by travis
NO, No, no. I'm sorry, what I meant was that I was going to take ya'll's advice and ask my parents for a laptop, especially after all the stuff I do

Finally... you've gotten the idea.. too bad it took so many postings to get it to sink into your skull. Personally, I would have asked my parents for it BEFORE posting on here looking for one.

Now, if they give you a limited budget (i.e. they are too cheap to get you a brand new one) then you might want to see if anyone here has one they would be willing to sell to you for the amount your parents give/tell you.

get it?? got it?? good

travis
Apr 19, 2002, 03:56 PM
Originally posted by AlphaTech


Finally... you've gotten the idea.. too bad it took so many postings to get it to sink into your skull. Personally, I would have asked my parents for it BEFORE posting on here looking for one.



again, no no no...I had already asked, but with what you all would have considered to be dumb excuses....maybe now I can try bargaining or something...or even use the reasons ya'll have given, such as I do all this stuff and feel like I need more compensation for it, but in a nicer way...

Mr. Anderson
Apr 19, 2002, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by travis
or even use the reasons ya'll have given, such as I do all this stuff and feel like I need more compensation for it, but in a nicer way...

From everything you've said, and I mentioned it before, do not use what we've told you here on the thread directly when confronting you parents.

'But Dad, all the guys at MacRumors say that...' will automatically lose you the arguement. You have to plan your attack, figure out in advance the responses they will give you to your requests. And make it look like you came up with this yourself. Compose the problem as if you were writing a proposal or justification for what you need. Actually, writing it all down before hand, listing the pros and cons won't hurt. Put a little effort and forethought into it and try and make it look like there really isn't any option but to get a computer. But also have the prices available, if asked. Look on ebay and find out what people are getting and compare them to the new. If you can get new great, but if you have to settle for used, fine. Go high and see where you get. Its all about negotiation.

Good luck.

3rdpath
Apr 20, 2002, 12:03 AM
with the time you've invested in starting, reading and replying to this thread you could've built your own computer from paperclips, chickenwire and electronics from the dumpster at fry's.....

btw, why do i get the feeling this thread is a total charade?:)

Mr. Anderson
Apr 20, 2002, 09:58 AM
Originally posted by 3rdpath

btw, why do i get the feeling this thread is a total charade?:)

quite elaborate one, if it is. :D

teabgs
Apr 20, 2002, 06:58 PM
I don't really think it matters what this thread is at this point. This thread is the thread of all threads. For no other reason then it being a thread....it is a thread :D

AlphaTech
Apr 20, 2002, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by teabgs
I don't really think it matters what this thread is at this point. This thread is the thread of all threads. For no other reason then it being a thread....it is a thread :D

That sounds a bit thread-bare :D

3rdpath
Apr 20, 2002, 09:27 PM
thread-bare? i'm a frayed knot....:D

Mr. Anderson
Apr 21, 2002, 05:20 PM
It does look like its ran out of steam, sorry, not going with the one liners, wasted of a post.

At 193 posts as of mine, this IS the longest and possibly one of the most obsurd threads on MacRumors. But if Travis comes back and lets us know how his proposal for a new machine to his parents went, you can almost bet we'll get over 200!

Any word there Travis?

cleo
Apr 21, 2002, 05:52 PM
Originally posted by dukestreet

At 193 posts as of mine, this IS the longest and possibly one of the most obsurd threads on MacRumors.

Actually, duke, it's "absurd."

194. :D

3rdpath
Apr 21, 2002, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by cleo


Actually, duke, it's "absurd."

194. :D

if you look at how many times its been viewed:

you might say its " observed"...

195:D

Rower_CPU
Apr 21, 2002, 07:38 PM
Originally posted by 3rdpath


if you look at how many times its been viewed:

you might say its " observed"...

195:D

Given the relative worth many people place in this thread, you might say it's "a turd"...
196:D

mcrain
Apr 21, 2002, 08:35 PM
You know, this Travis kid is from Houston... next thing you know he'll start asking for Texans season tickets because his parents are too mean to buy him some, and he has to mow the yard for free... David Carr? Who's that?

Mr. Anderson
Apr 21, 2002, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by mcrain
You know, this Travis kid is from Houston... next thing you know he'll start asking for Texans season tickets because his parents are too mean to buy him some, and he has to mow the yard for free..

Well given that, his parents wouldn't allow him to go anyway. But I want to here from him and see what's happened. Maybe he's not allowed on the computer on Sunday?

3rdpath
Apr 21, 2002, 10:48 PM
Originally posted by dukestreet


Well given that, his parents wouldn't allow him to go anyway. But I want to here from him and see what's happened. Maybe he's not allowed on the computer on Sunday?

or he's on another mac site solidifying a freebie dual 1ghz......travis, if you're the real deal i apologize. but my gut keeps telling me its a scam.


199:D

teabgs
Apr 22, 2002, 07:40 AM
Maybe when he talked to them he said "The guys at macrumors said..." and now they watch his every move on the computer.

200 :D

Mr. Anderson
Apr 22, 2002, 09:22 AM
Originally posted by 3rdpath
if you look at how many times its been viewed:

you might say its " observed"...

This post has the most views: 10197!

http://www.macrumors.com/forums/showthread.php3?threadid=1840

201:D

mcrain
Apr 23, 2002, 03:05 PM
If a thread gets over 500 posts, does it get its own avatar?

AlphaTech
Apr 23, 2002, 03:07 PM
Originally posted by mcrain
If a thread gets over 500 posts, does it get its own avatar?

I think it implodes and takes the server with it. Or maybe it just takes all of the faces with it...

mcrain
Apr 23, 2002, 03:12 PM
Originally posted by AlphaTech
Or maybe it just takes all of the faces with it...

Faces or feces?? :confused:

Sorry for dredging this post back up...

Mr. Anderson
Apr 23, 2002, 03:12 PM
This thread was almost laid to rest and you had to come along and disturb it. But we haven't heard from Travis since he decided to go to his parents and ask for the computer.

Ha, they probably banned him from using the internet! I just hope he didn't mention that we gave him the ideas to do it, that wouldn't have been a good move on his part.

teabgs
Apr 23, 2002, 11:58 PM
do you think that in a few years when Travis is allowed back on the internet that he'll come to macrumors and this thread will still be getting kicked around?

PCUser
Apr 24, 2002, 12:35 AM
Of course! By then the thread will have developed its own intelligence, gone well past 1,000 posts, and it'll start posting it's own posts in other threads. We may be the first to stumble across Atrifical Intellegince... :)

Of course, I had to keep the thread going since I hadn't posted on it. *ducks* *moves on*

travis
Apr 24, 2002, 07:41 AM
Hey, guys, i'm back, and no, my parents have not bought me a new ibook yet, although I did read the recent article about UT's cheaper ibooks, by the time I get there, I'll probably get a 1Ghz iBook for $999...Aye, yes, I am the real deal, email me if you don't believe me...aznboy@mac.com...But anyways, my parents feel "that you would spend too much time on the computer" and "install and play games all day" and "other non-productive things" such as messing with kalidescope...which I don't do anymore...I have not been, am not, and will not be banned from using the computer or the internet, i've just been really busy with an english project, Oh yeah, I'm in the top ten percent again for this new term that we just started...you can see my school's page at www.alief.isd.tenet.edu/kerr/ (http://www.alief.isd.tenet.edu/kerr/). I can't find anything with my name on it, such as the various clubs, they only have the sponsors listed...But click on the band links, that should take you to a page that I am playing in, although you probably can't tell it's me since the rest of the band is playing too...Well in addition to my english project, we just had band pre-contest at Astroworld...Kerr brought home 6 trophies from the houston six flags competition, and the choir brought home 8 from the san antonio six flags competition. Well, for those of you in texas, drop me a line, please, that way maybe i can meet you, and prove that i am "legit". Oh and about those season tickets for the texans...I love houston and all, but I'm not a huge fan of football, especially such a new team like them...

travis
Apr 24, 2002, 07:44 AM
http://www.alief.isd.tenet.edu/kerr/Kerronicle/current/center/privateschools.htm Yes, i found a link!!! THIs proves it, it's a corny story, but I really am a student at kerr high school...read it!!! yes, please believe me...anyways, off to class I go!!!

Mr. Anderson
Apr 24, 2002, 08:33 AM
Originally posted by travis
Hey, guys, i'm back, and no, my parents have not bought me a new ibook yet, although I did read the recent article about UT's cheaper ibooks, by the time I get there, I'll probably get a 1Ghz iBook for $999...

So you're going to stay local, eh? I'd get out of state and learn to live life on your own, grow up and get out from under your parents control. What happened to MIT?

mcrain
Apr 24, 2002, 08:47 AM
Originally posted by dukestreet


So you're going to stay local, eh? I'd get out of state and learn to live life on your own, grow up and get out from under your parents control. What happened to MIT?

MIT is just the east coast version of U of Michigan. If you really want opportunity, look to the glove state. U of Michigan has a top notch engineering school, but if you don't like that, they have a top notch LSA school, great business school, great athletics, great art, great design, great music, great business, great law, great medicine... and so on...

Most schools are known for one or two things, but U of M has it all. If you can't figure out something you like there, you're an idiot.

Plus, Michigan has real winters to toughen you up so you don't wimp out and start begging from strangers when your parents say no on the computer.

Go Blue!

Mr. Anderson
Apr 24, 2002, 08:52 AM
Originally posted by mcrain

Go Blue!

Careful there with that profanity mcrain. As an OSU alumni it could be considered unacceptable verbage for a post.:D

mcrain
Apr 24, 2002, 09:51 AM
Directions to OSU from U of M... south on 75 (I think) till you smell it, then east on 310 (I think) till you step in it.

Wolverines!!!!

mcrain
Apr 24, 2002, 09:54 AM
Ok, one more...

Why do all the trees in Indiana lean to the east??

Because OSU s*cks!

Sorry, but there's nothing more fun than old football rivalries. Dukestreet, I'm only kidding if you didn't know. I know there are a million jokes and digs that every collage has for every one of its rivals.

Remember when Bo was coach? I had friends with the "Bo has Aids" hats. Even a Mich fan like myself thought that was funny in a mean sort of way. (And, before I get anyone mad at me, I didn't make the hats, I thought they were in bad taste, but you have to admit, at the time, they were original)

Mr. Anderson
Apr 24, 2002, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by mcrain
[BRemember when Bo was coach? I had friends with the "Bo has Aids" hats. Even a Mich fan like myself thought that was funny in a mean sort of way. [/B]

I graduated in 93, so I've been there when we kept losing to Bo. Actually, even though I'm an OSU Alumni, I'm not exactly a supporter. OSU football and basketball always were a huge dissapointment, I got tired of watching and don't any more.

We had a our share of Bo apparel - some of the t-shirts I can't even describe here because of the nature involved.

travis
Apr 24, 2002, 06:06 PM
profanity? what profanity? yes, i did think about going to MIT, but I would like to stay close to home, unless miraculous scholarships begin falling from Heaven...As for the cold, I LIKE THE COLD, it is way to hot here in houston, althoughI am used to it, But I seriously wouldn't mind living where all you have to do is put more clothes on to be comfortable instead of trying to find ways of taking more off, while still staying decent...

mcrain
Apr 24, 2002, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by travis
As for the cold, I LIKE THE COLD, it is way to hot here in houston, althoughI am used to it, But I seriously wouldn't mind living where all you have to do is put more clothes on to be comfortable instead of trying to find ways of taking more off, while still staying decent...

I'm moving to Houston, and I'm looking forward to the temperatures being warmer. I'm not looking forward to August, but the rest of the year will be ok. SO, you like the cold. Try spending a few winters in the very cold, very snowy north, or worse, try spending it in the insanely cold plains during a bad winter. It's not as easy as you think to just add clothes to stay warm. Cold and wet is normal. Lots of flu, cold viruses, and nagging sinus issues for 3 months or so. A bad winter is just as bad as a bad summer.

travis
Apr 24, 2002, 06:34 PM
Oh, I see, moving to houston?? when? where? need help? you can HIRE me, then pay me, and maybe I can get a laptop....BTW, ya'll did see that I am for real, right? check the link above, it's a story about my anti-Chinese-ness or surplus/lack of...

G4scott
Apr 24, 2002, 07:07 PM
Just a note on Colleges in Texas. If you are in the top 10% of your class, you can get automatic admission into any public state university as long as you turn in everything before the deadline. Getting into the university is easy like that, but getting into a certain college within the University is harder. My brother got accecpted at UT because he was like, the top 1 or 2 % in his class. He got into the business school, but only because of his high rank. The minimum rank for automatic accecptance at the business school was 3%, I think.

There are also plenty of other schools in Texas to go to. There's Texas Tech, UT Dallas, University of Houston, and many others. I will say, though, stay far away from a&m. That place stinks. It smells like a cow... (LOL)

Anyways, keep it up if you want to go to a school in Texas, but if you want to go out of state, try to get a music scholarship, or something like that If you're good at playing the trumpet, and are looking into a music major. (I'm also 1st chair trumpet at my school!)

It just depends on what you're interested in...

Oh, and about that laptop, I think I have one that I can give to you. It's a PowerBook 145b. I'm not sure how long the battery lasts, and only half the screen works at a time (it depends on the contrast...) It's slow as heck, and weighs about 9 pounds...Actually, I think you'd be better off carrying around 9 pounds of bricks instead of this mammoth...

travis
Apr 24, 2002, 08:11 PM
really? a real laptop? for me? That's too cool...So, since you know about the top ten% rule, I guess that means you live in Texas, so my question is, WHERE?!? I mean, another mac user, trumpet player...IN TEXAS of all places...I gotta meet you...hmm....



p.s., very funny jello-boy

jelloshotsrule
Apr 24, 2002, 08:25 PM
Originally posted by travis
rWHERE?!? I mean, another man user, trumpet player...IN TEXAS of all places...I gotta meet you...hmm....

haha. i know it's a typo... but that's a heck of a funny one..

"another MAN user"... hahaha.

blah

Mr. Anderson
Apr 24, 2002, 10:33 PM
Originally posted by travis
really? a real laptop? for me? That's too cool...So, since you know about the top ten% rule, I guess that means you live in Texas, so my question is, WHERE?!? I mean, another mac user, trumpet player...IN TEXAS of all places...I gotta meet you...hmm....

Oh, now you got him all excited, way to go, dangling the mac in front of him like a carrot.

Travis, look at his name on the post, then read directly under it - what does it say? Looks like a town in Texas to me. Oh, and congrats on possibly getting a free laptop. What exacly are you going to tell your folks when you get it? Some guy on the internet gave it to you? You know there's a couple scams going on right now aimed a kids. I'd make sure you formalize it so there aren't any problems.

Rower_CPU
Apr 24, 2002, 11:13 PM
Here we are on day 10 of this epic thread and someone finally steps forward to offer the kid a portable...and this is what we see?

Take this thread off of life support and let it go...let it die peacefully in its sleep...

eyelikeart
Apr 24, 2002, 11:54 PM
I bet he hasn't gotten a free computer yet...

this thread is like a roach that won't die...

I wonder how long it could go on without being purposely closed?? :rolleyes:

Mr. Anderson
Apr 25, 2002, 08:16 AM
Originally posted by eyelikeart

I wonder how long it could go on without being purposely closed?? :rolleyes:

I'm thinking it could go on indefinitely, its more of a curiosity now anyway, well over 200 posts and all. Besides, he could resurect it when he does receive his computer and that would be good for another 100 posts. Although he might start a different thread for that.

eyelikeart
Apr 25, 2002, 04:11 PM
so then should we just keep up this nonsense?! :eek: :confused: :rolleyes: ;) :p

teabgs
Apr 26, 2002, 10:08 AM
I cant believe...well, ok I do, but its absurd that this thread has10 pages!

I pose a question to you all: Is it morally right to keep this thread going or should we cut it loose?

iGav
Apr 26, 2002, 10:19 AM
Travis has spawned a monster.......!!!

Grrrrrrrr........ :p

Mr. Anderson
Apr 26, 2002, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by teabgs
I cant believe...well, ok I do, but its absurd that this thread has10 pages!

I pose a question to you all: Is it morally right to keep this thread going or should we cut it loose?

You can try cutting it loose, but it most likely will come back and resurect itself, its already done that a few times. Its almost got a life of its own, but my guess is that someday it will die.

But look at what sparkleytone did. He resurected a really old post, his first thread, and it got a good replay. It helped that a lot of the heavy hitters from days gone by had posted there Spikey, Kela, John123 and jefhatfield. Its a very interesting read btw.

http://www.macrumors.com/forums/showthread.php3?threadid=526

jelloshotsrule
Apr 26, 2002, 11:36 AM
i don't think that anything about a thread as far as continuing a dumb thread or not. or continuing a thread beyond a certain point is a matter of morality... that's just elevating it higher than it deserves. ha.

still haven't figured me out eh teabgs?

travis
Apr 26, 2002, 12:32 PM
just because this thread is long and drawn out does not mean that it has lost its purpose...BTW, any one have an iBook or an old x400 PB that they'd like to sell?

Mr. Anderson
Apr 26, 2002, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by travis
just because this thread is long and drawn out does not mean that it has lost its purpose...BTW, any one have an iBook or an old x400 PB that they'd like to sell?

ooh, he's back. And now you're looking to buy? Try ebay for prices, I have no doubt you'll find something there. But you won't be able to try for sympathy on ebay, you just have to be lucky and be the high bidder and bid over they're minimum price. But its worth a look.

Good luck.

iGav
Apr 26, 2002, 01:37 PM
ooh, he's back.

Just like Elvis in 68!!!:p

3rdpath
Apr 26, 2002, 02:46 PM
ok, since i was the main doubter--i now believe that you exist and are not just scamming freebie gear.

regarding colleges-have you thought about stephen f austin?

its not too far from houston, just far enough that you parents checks get there in a day but yet they can't personally drive them to you....its nestled in the amazingly beautiful piney woods of nacogdoches( or as it may be called-shangriladoches or nacanowhere...):) the teacher to pupil ratio is great ( unlike ut) and the atmosphere is laid-back. it doesn't carry the prestige of mit but everyone i know who's graduated from there has done quite well-including those in the computer sciences and business schools.

and if you haven't guessed- i graduated from there( many, many years ago---we used punch cards and fortran in the cs classes...and NO ONE had a lap top).

oh, and the girl to guy ratio was 2 to1. :) :eek: :D ;)

teabgs
Apr 26, 2002, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
i don't think that anything about a thread as far as continuing a dumb thread or not. or continuing a thread beyond a certain point is a matter of morality... that's just elevating it higher than it deserves. ha.

still haven't figured me out eh teabgs?

I dont really think its a moral issue either.

And no, I dont think I have figured out who you are yet. Though I have an idea. I got swamped with the end of year work. You know, 2 films to finish, a 3d animation to finish (currently rendering), 15 page paper, reading, presentation to prepare....

ANYWAY: 1) are your initials "J.N."? 2)have you figured me out yet?

eyelikeart
Apr 27, 2002, 01:31 AM
Originally posted by teabgs

I pose a question to you all: Is it morally right to keep this thread going or should we cut it loose?

I think we're past the point of what's morally acceptable...

but if u guys want it closed...maybe we should vote on it? ;)

j763
Apr 27, 2002, 02:08 AM
Hey Guys,

Just a quick one, please write your opinions here but don't make comments that will offend anyone... eg. "Jesus does nothing but waste time" and "Are your parents asian?"... I personally aren't offended by those comments but I can understand and respect that some people could be easily offended. Please keep the forums clean for everyone's sake...

Thanks.


PS. mymemory -- get the hell out of venezuala... seriously -- save up and live somewhere a bit more politically stable where you can actually get a JOB. I know it's HARD but you have to try!

teabgs
Apr 27, 2002, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by j763
I personally aren't offended by those comments

I'm sorry to pick on you for stupid things but that just bugs me. :rolleyes:

travis
Apr 27, 2002, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by 3rdpath
ok, since i was the main doubter--i now believe that you exist and are not just scamming freebie gear.

regarding colleges-have you thought about stephen f austin?

its not too far from houston, just far enough that you parents checks get there in a day but yet they can't personally drive them to you....its nestled in the amazingly beautiful piney woods of nacogdoches( or as it may be called-shangriladoches or nacanowhere...):) the teacher to pupil ratio is great ( unlike ut) and the atmosphere is laid-back. it doesn't carry the prestige of mit but everyone i know who's graduated from there has done quite well-including those in the computer sciences and business schools.

oh, and the girl to guy ratio was 2 to1. :) :eek: :D ;)

Really? I never even considered SFA, but I definitely will now...maybe I'll visit there this summer, thanks for the heads-up!

travis
Apr 30, 2002, 07:20 AM
Hello, for those of you all who are still reading this, I want you to think about your old Powerbooks and old iBooks for a minute, as for Powerbooks, any x400 series ones that you have, they aren't any good any more, deep down, I know you lament the inability to run OSX on these ancient machines, even OS9 runs slowly, if at all...iBooks on the other hand, have such small hard drives on them, and plus their bus speed is a paltry 66Mhz, right? plus you don't like those loud flashy colors, right? Well I think you should throw those machines away and get a new TiBook, they were just updated you know...But then again, you can't really throw them away, since they would then cause an environmental problem, so why don't you donate them to some who could use them, all they are really good for is typing and stuff, right? so give it to someone who could get some good Mac usage out of it, hmmm, the recipient of your donation, who should it be....What about me? I'm a student, I need a laptop for school, so I can take my homework back and forth and on the go, whaddya say? From one Mac user to another, I could really use it!
Thanks,
Travis

mcrain
Apr 30, 2002, 08:55 AM
Travis, you are a piece of work man.

You really should stop begging for a new laptop, and go to work for some telemarketer considering your amazing talent of persistence.

I might agree to some stupid credit card insurance scam just to get you to hang up the phone.

That would allow you to earn some coin to buy your own laptop.

Mr. Anderson
Apr 30, 2002, 09:29 AM
Originally posted by mcrain
Travis, you are a piece of work man.

'I get knocked down, I get up again, You're never going to knock me down'

3rdpath
Apr 30, 2002, 09:44 AM
this is a scam. no one in their right mind would ask (no, beg and manipulate) for a freebie after all thats been said on this thread.

this is some sad psych experiment or just someone's idea of a way to fill their time between classes.

travis, get a job, get a life, get a laptop.

BUT NOT HERE:mad: