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billabong
Nov 5, 2007, 06:22 PM
It has been a while now since the youtube update.. Where are the HD movies, the rentals, games, buying movies from the TV? With these features AppleTV would double in sales, come on Apple. Show some love for the :apple:TV



kjr39
Nov 5, 2007, 07:19 PM
It has been a while now since the youtube update.. Where are the HD movies, the rentals, games, buying movies from the TV? With these features AppleTV would double in sales, come on Apple. Show some love for the :apple:TV

Never coming?

anti-microsoft
Nov 5, 2007, 07:25 PM
Probably at MacWorld '08, If tehy don't announce any updates, they'll announce it's death.

Kamera RAWr
Nov 6, 2007, 02:21 AM
I'm actually really wanting an :apple:TV with 1080p support. Although I don't hold my breath for updates. Remember that for Apple, the :apple:TV is just a "hobby" of sorts.

billabong
Nov 6, 2007, 02:47 AM
Guess we will have to just wait.. Remember back at the keynote in sept they said they did have news for AppleTV and that it would be coming soon... Well I guess soon mean a few months. I can wait, I still love my appleTV and don't regret buying it at all..

petteri
Nov 6, 2007, 07:41 AM
Yea, we've seen updates to basically the entire Apple product line up now without a single thing for the :apple:TV. My guess is that they have (are?) taken a close look at the product and seeing if it is worth continuing the product line at all. Either they are going to beef up the machine's innards or drop it is my guess. Could be a problems with content providers.. who knows.

I started a thread a while ago, a wish list, for the :apple:TV. I wonder if any of those wants will ever be addressed. I guess it would be nice if they could give us at least one more update with a few "goodies" thrown in. ;)

jasonnorm
Nov 6, 2007, 09:12 AM
It's painfully simple and I hope Apple agrees. All they need to do to increase ATV sales 10-fold is add:

1) iTunes HD Content
2) iTunes rentals (HD included)

Add those 2 and you have a killer device.

lofight
Nov 6, 2007, 09:14 AM
Are there bugs?? otherwise i think january January 2008

kjr39
Nov 6, 2007, 09:33 AM
It's painfully simple and I hope Apple agrees. All they need to do to increase ATV sales 10-fold is add:

1) iTunes HD Content
2) iTunes rentals (HD included)

Add those 2 and you have a killer device.


You do those two and I no longer need cable and Netflix...

I just don't want to buy movies...

jaw04005
Nov 6, 2007, 11:33 AM
As much as I love my Apple TV, this is the single most disappointing product since the G4 Cube. It has so much potential, but it clearly does not have the support from within Apple to push its development.

There is no excuse for not supporting this product with continuous software updates. After all, Apple specifically accounted for such updates on their financial reports.

How hard is it to add video or on-the-go playlists? Why aren't there ABC-owned and produced shows on the iTunes Store in HD? If you're not going to support it internally, why not open it to third-party plug-ins (the frameworks to allow this are already built-in)?

This product was released in mid-March and has received the same amount of updates as the iPhone (which launched in June).

I expect more from Apple.

peeaanuut
Nov 6, 2007, 11:45 AM
a feature I had thought about which would be small and probably easy to integrate would be iPod docking. What spured this was a friend came over last night and had some videos on his iPod. I wanted to watch them on the TV and instead of just dropping it into a dock connected to the :apple:TV (using the appleTV menu structure) I had to pull out my cables and plug them in after unhooking something.

The AppleTV can be a media hub with iPod docking, optical drive connection and TiVO if just a few small updates were added. Come on apple, lets really do a number on this one. Ok?

PhatBoyG
Nov 6, 2007, 12:46 PM
My guess is all their content providers are not ready for it or they were never 100% behind it in the first place.

HandBrake, VisualHub, and some AppleScript are all you need to make the :apple:TV a top notch product.

kjr39
Nov 6, 2007, 01:06 PM
My guess is all their content providers are not ready for it or they were never 100% behind it in the first place.

HandBrake, VisualHub, and some AppleScript are all you need to make the :apple:TV a top notch product.

That's what I was just about to type. If you ask me, the product isn't being hampered by Apple, but by the media companies that supply the content.

It is there last century business model that is causing people to use HB and VH instead of downloading content...

cbrain
Nov 6, 2007, 01:29 PM
I think we may see the 2nd Generation AppleTV at Macworld.

It's quite possible that they make an update adding the iTunes WiFi store. Since the YouTube app made it across to the iPhone and iPod Touch, it's possible that the WiFi store app might make it across to the AppleTV.

I also think that there may an AppleTV SDK announced at the next WWDC.

I also think that we may even see Safari on the AppleTV.

MikieMikie
Nov 6, 2007, 03:13 PM
This product was released in mid-March and has received the same amount of updates as the iPhone (which launched in June).

I expect more from Apple.

Actually, it has received more functional updates than the iPhone. All the iPhone has received is some bug fixes and another way for you to spend money.

At least we got the YouTube update.

-- Mikie

JonHimself
Nov 6, 2007, 10:35 PM
Actually, it has received more functional updates than the iPhone. All the iPhone has received is some bug fixes and another way for you to spend money.

At least we got the YouTube update.

-- Mikie

That's hardly fair though. Whether or not you use the functions, the iPhone added the WiFi store (which I suppose you mentioned.. but again, you might not use it, but I would use the WiFi store more than I would the YouTube app), added the double-tap space for a period entry, and double click home button for ipod controls. I'm sure there are a few others as well.

joeshell383
Nov 6, 2007, 11:57 PM
I'm actually really wanting an :apple:TV with 1080p support. Although I don't hold my breath for updates. Remember that for Apple, the :apple:TV is just a "hobby" of sorts.

It wasn't at Macworld 2007. Only after a few months on the market did Steve refer to it as a "hobby". AT MWSF when Steve announced the name change [from "Apple Computer Inc." to "Apple Inc."] it was identified as one of the four pillars (legs) of Apple (the other three being iPod, iPhone, and Mac.)

MikieMikie
Nov 7, 2007, 03:07 PM
That's hardly fair though. Whether or not you use the functions, the iPhone added the WiFi store (which I suppose you mentioned.. but again, you might not use it, but I would use the WiFi store more than I would the YouTube app), added the double-tap space for a period entry, and double click home button for ipod controls. I'm sure there are a few others as well.

Yes, well, you missed the point (which is understandable as I do not always communicate clearly). My point, put bluntly, is this:
iPhone has had NO new software added to it except for the store, a means by which you can add to Apple's bottom line.
AppleTV has had a new, free feature called YouTube. (Did I mention is was free and that, in order to use it, it doesn't cost you money? And that's what I call a feature.)

-- Mikie

MikieMikie
Nov 7, 2007, 03:09 PM
It wasn't at Macworld 2007. Only after a few months on the market did Steve refer to it as a "hobby". AT MWSF when Steve announced the name change [from "Apple Computer Inc." to "Apple Inc."] it was identified as one of the four pillars (legs) of Apple (the other three being iPod, iPhone, and Mac.)

Seems the leg is a little shorter than the others.

:D

-- Mikie

peeaanuut
Nov 7, 2007, 05:27 PM
I am wondering why people expect feature upgrades. Did they purchase the aTV expecting it to do more than it does? Thats really not a good way to go about purchasing anything IMO.

billabong
Nov 8, 2007, 03:50 AM
I am wondering why people expect feature upgrades. Did they purchase the aTV expecting it to do more than it does? Thats really not a good way to go about purchasing anything IMO.

No I bought it a love it, but would love to get even more out of it. They have talked about some features but not released them yet. When they do it will be great, but right now it's great too. I have about 200 movies (80 are 720P HD) loads of TV shows, and all my music. I utilize my appleTV to the max and it's amazing. So simple, everyone in my family can use it. That is why it's a winner for me... It just works!

petteri
Nov 8, 2007, 07:05 AM
I am wondering why people expect feature upgrades. Did they purchase the aTV expecting it to do more than it does? Thats really not a good way to go about purchasing anything IMO.

I don't think that's it exactly. It's just that it appears that the Apple TV is more than just a simple set top box to most. Apple has already added a feature, YouTube, and people are clamoring for more. I'm pretty happy with mine. For me I'd like to see an update that improves on what's already there. I'd like create play lists, go back to the main menu without stopping the music playback, etc.

Diatribe
Nov 8, 2007, 07:24 AM
No I bought it a love it, but would love to get even more out of it. They have talked about some features but not released them yet. When they do it will be great, but right now it's great too. I have about 200 movies (80 are 720P HD) loads of TV shows, and all my music. I utilize my appleTV to the max and it's amazing. So simple, everyone in my family can use it. That is why it's a winner for me... It just works!

Did you put the movies with Handbrake onto it? And how did you get 720p movies onto it?

The only thing I am still missing for appleTV is 5.1 discrete surround sound. Without this having movies on it for me is still only half useful. :(

mkubal
Nov 8, 2007, 08:10 AM
It's painfully simple and I hope Apple agrees. All they need to do to increase ATV sales 10-fold is add:

1) iTunes HD Content
2) iTunes rentals (HD included)

Add those 2 and you have a killer device.

Amen.

As someone who is currently only mildly interested in an ATV, if these two things were announced today I would certainly have one by the end of the day.

So much potential...

billabong
Nov 8, 2007, 01:40 PM
Did you put the movies with Handbrake onto it? And how did you get 720p movies onto it?

The only thing I am still missing for appleTV is 5.1 discrete surround sound. Without this having movies on it for me is still only half useful. :(

Two words "Visual Hub" and there are sources where you can find 720P movies...

I can survive without 5.1, the sound is still very good...

If I want my top quality I'll watch some of my HD DVD's but for fast easy movies with one click the AppleTV is where its at...

pedz
Nov 8, 2007, 04:50 PM
I also have HD DVD Movies and I have ripped all of my regular DVDs using Handbrake and it is great being able to browse and play them on the atv.

Have you figured out a way to rip your HD DVDs so you can watch them on the atv at 720p? I don't mind downscaling to 720p, that is the resolution of my tv anyway and it still looks great. I also don't mind losing the surround as the sound is still very good. But i desparately want to get the HD DVDs onto the atv so i can start moving away from buying DVDs.

I can buy an HD DVD drive and I know anydvd hd will unlock it, but I cannot find any software that will rip it to h.264.

any help would be appreciated.
peter

Superman07
Nov 8, 2007, 07:43 PM
I also have HD DVD Movies and I have ripped all of my regular DVDs using Handbrake and it is great being able to browse and play them on the atv.

Have you figured out a way to rip your HD DVDs so you can watch them on the atv at 720p? I don't mind downscaling to 720p, that is the resolution of my tv anyway and it still looks great. I also don't mind losing the surround as the sound is still very good. But i desparately want to get the HD DVDs onto the atv so i can start moving away from buying DVDs.

I can buy an HD DVD drive and I know anydvd hd will unlock it, but I cannot find any software that will rip it to h.264.

any help would be appreciated.
peter

Sorry, but how does being able to rip hd dvd's allow you stop buying dvds?

Also, if you're concerned with the "quality" of hd dvd, why would you be okay to settle with downconversion to 720p? Not only that, but if you're concerned with "quality", I'd imagine 5.1 would be a requirement before hd dvd ripping/reproduction. I know I'd rather see 5.1 first. Allow me to have surround sound and then I'll consider going to their format and hardware. Otherwise I'll just stick with my dvd players.

tronic72
Nov 10, 2007, 10:41 AM
Sorry, but how does being able to rip hd dvd's allow you stop buying dvds?

Also, if you're concerned with the "quality" of hd dvd, why would you be okay to settle with downconversion to 720p? Not only that, but if you're concerned with "quality", I'd imagine 5.1 would be a requirement before hd dvd ripping/reproduction. I know I'd rather see 5.1 first. Allow me to have surround sound and then I'll consider going to their format and hardware. Otherwise I'll just stick with my dvd players.

I couldn't agree more. Do the posters that are continually asking for HD content realise that current broadband Internet simply doesn't make this realistic? Do you guys even know how big a HD movie is???? Even if you had a connection fast enough, the total download amount for even half a dozen movies a month would be way more than most plans allow. Unfortunately, until the "personal" Internet speeds up BIG TIME optical media will continue to rule supreme.

I also think that many of the users requesting 1080P HD content may not realise that the difference between 720HD & 1080P/1080i is not that great. I've added this link regarding the various versions of HD http://www.neowin.net/forum/lofiversion/index.php/t520949.html It shows that for many/most programs there isn't a difference. Keep in mind the media must be produced using the High Level HD equipment otherwise there isn't any improvement.

PS Please Apple, give us 5.1 surround on Apple TV and we'll be happy. I love my Apple TV but the loss of surround sound is a step back ten years (yes I've had surround sound for that long).
:apple:

shahidhaque
Nov 10, 2007, 07:58 PM
Ok -- either my Apple TV has gone bonkers or there is a new update available right now? I have the 1.1 update installed, and I just turned it on to reveal a message saying that an update is available. I'm afraid to install because I have Awkward TV installed and don't want to break that.

But is this really an update? Seems weird it would come on a Saturday night.

Edit: Nevermind, I'm an idiot. After installing Awkward TV a few days ago, I never re-updated to 1.1 with YouTube. It just finally found that update. Sorry to alarm anyone.

Anyone know if I can update to 1.1 at this point and keep my Awkward TV settings? I imagine not.

jaw04005
Nov 10, 2007, 08:34 PM
I couldn't agree more. Do the posters that are continually asking for HD content realise that current broadband Internet simply doesn't make this realistic? Do you guys even know how big a HD movie is???? Even if you had a connection fast enough, the total download amount for even half a dozen movies a month would be way more than most plans allow. Unfortunately, until the "personal" Internet speeds up BIG TIME optical media will continue to rule supreme.

Wow. If we used your logic, things would never progress. Have you considered that if HD content (or similarly larger size media) is not made available by mainstream providers like Apple that ISPs will have no reason to improve their services?

If consumers demand better service, ISPs will eventually adjust rate plans and remove bandwidth limitations that are currently hindering the deployment of premium online content.

HD movie rentals are currently available on XBOX 360's Marketplace. Downloads run around 2-4GB compressed. For those that live in areas with decent broadband speeds, that's roughly a 2 to 3 hour download. That's perfectly acceptable. Not to mention, Apple could deploy some type of streaming service that after a certain amount of time Apple TV would allow incremental playback of the movie while it finishes.

Apple should start by offering ABC HD content on the store and gradually progress to Disney movies, etc. It's unfortunate that Apple TV development has basically come to a standstill. There's a lot of competition in this space, and unless Apple beefs up its product, Apple TV sales are going to continue to lag.

peeaanuut
Nov 10, 2007, 09:56 PM
personally I think that HD TV shows would be better to start with than HD Movies. While movies would be great, it is more accepted by the general user to download a tv show than a movie. Not saying that movies wouldnt sell, but I think that they would have a better chance of success if they start with TV shows.