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MacRumors
Nov 6, 2007, 10:22 PM
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Apple will be launching the iPhone in the UK and Germany this Friday, November 9th.

A press release (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/11/06iphone.html) details the launch details for Apple, O2 and Carphone Warehouse. The iPhone will be available from more than 1,300 Apple, O2 and Carphone Warehouse retail locations across the UK starting at 6:02pm. O2 has hired and trained hundreds of new iPhone specialists who will be in all 450 O2 stores. The UK iPhone will be sold for £269 and require an 18 month contract with O2. Only two iPhones may be purchased per person.

Despite some early comments indicating that there would be a data cap on the O2 network for EDGE-data, a recent Telegraph.co.uk article (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml;jsessionid=JWRDHF2QV0PLTQFIQMFCFFOAVCBQYIV0?xml=/money/2007/11/03/cniphone103.xml) states that O2 has scrapped plans to limit web usage on the iPhone -- instead allowing users to download as much as they like.
''Customers find 'unlimited with limits' confusing, plus most people don't speak in megabits or understand what they equate to," said O2 UK chief executive Matthew Key. ''So we've taken the decision to remove the fair usage cap so that 'unlimited' really does mean 'unlimited' – this is a market first."

The iPhone is also launching in Germany on November 9th through Telekom Shops of Deutsche Telekom as well as the T-Mobile web shop starting at midnight. The German iPhone requires a new 2-year T-Mobile rate plan and will be available for €399.

We've reopened (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=104) our iPhone Purchaser Meetup forum to allow MacRumors in coordinating with others.

Existing iPhone users should also find interest in the the UK/German iPhone launch as it will likely coincide with the release of the 1.1.2 iPhone Firmware (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/11/03/iphone-firmware-1-1-2-on-the-way/) which is said to offer a number of bug and security fixes along with international language support.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/11/06/apple-iphone-launches-in-germany-and-uk-on-november-9th/)



KD7IWP
Nov 6, 2007, 10:25 PM
Do any of the UK countries have laws against locked phones?

DCRa
Nov 6, 2007, 10:44 PM
3rd Party Apps > bug fixes. :D

ventro
Nov 6, 2007, 10:53 PM
Is there any chance we might see 802.1X support with this update?

caliguy
Nov 6, 2007, 11:19 PM
Why is it 6:02pm?

eenu
Nov 6, 2007, 11:21 PM
Why is it 6:02pm?

The same reason ze germans get it at 00:01 on the 9th :p :rolleyes:

arn
Nov 6, 2007, 11:26 PM
Why is it 6:02pm?

O2 is the carrier. (as in 6 Oh 2)

arn

David G.
Nov 6, 2007, 11:55 PM
If I was a random person from the general population I would probably find "unlimited with limits" confusing too. It's good they're changing it.

MarlboroLite
Nov 6, 2007, 11:59 PM
Don't these launches in Europe (and the eventual ones in Canada and Australia later this year or early next) kind of kill the idea what we will see iPhone 2.0 unveiled at MWSF? If a new iPhone is announced it will pretty much kill the current iPhone sales in the rest of the world where it has just been introduced.

I think Apple will wait till at least May or June to announce a new version to be sold starting in Q4 2008 all simultaneously across the world.

Willis
Nov 7, 2007, 12:48 AM
Do any of the UK countries have laws against locked phones?

Im not too sure what you mean. But this is what I can tell you.

Most contract phones are actually unlocked. I believe it's only Vodaphone and 3 who have their phones locked now. But even then, it depends on what model of phone.

PAYG phones are mostly LOCKED.

Now, for laws... I dont believe there is one. If we want our phones unlocked, we can go out to a shop/stall on a market and get it done for about £10. Obviously, iPhone will be different. End of the day, I think most iPhone owners here would be happy with what they get. I do think there will be some consumer confusion though. General non Apple English people with Apple technology really isnt that good. ;)

kis
Nov 7, 2007, 12:48 AM
I think Apple will wait till at least May or June to announce a new version to be sold starting in Q4 2008 all simultaneously across the world.

that would be my assessment as well. Also, they can't announce anything that they don't have a release-date for - I seriously doubt they can have a 3G version ready before Christmas 2008.

kis
Nov 7, 2007, 12:50 AM
Do any of the UK countries have laws against locked phones?

no - but you can buy the French version. As 1.1.2 obviously has all the supported languages pre-installed, you can simply buy an unlocked version in France and set it to English (or whatever language you need).

You'll still be depending on semi-legal methods to activate it, though: while the French phones come un-locked, they can only be activated for the Orange network in France.

kis

igazza
Nov 7, 2007, 01:04 AM
great for the uk and germany. 2 days wait , here in oz we have to wait til early next year . :apple:

lazyrighteye
Nov 7, 2007, 01:20 AM
Don't these launches in Europe (and the eventual ones in Canada and Australia later this year or early next) kind of kill the idea what we will see iPhone 2.0 unveiled at MWSF? If a new iPhone is announced it will pretty much kill the current iPhone sales in the rest of the world where it has just been introduced.

I think Apple will wait till at least May or June to announce a new version to be sold starting in Q4 2008 all simultaneously across the world.

Agreed.

I could see them trying to "tide us over" until a fall '08 iPhone v2 with a spring 08 tablet.
I know, crazy talk.

But it would be more Apple of them if the iPhone v2 is merely a storage size increase to 16 GB and we don't see the 3G iPhone until MWSF '09.
Crazier talk?

KPlayer
Nov 7, 2007, 01:39 AM
Alright People?

Just a quick one, I was thinkin of getting the iPhone this friday in the UK but im aware the software has been updated to 1.1.2. I want to unlock the phone so should i buy it and just keep it in the box until someone releases an unlocker for 1.1.2? Any ideas on whats the best thing to do?

Cheers!

AndyR
Nov 7, 2007, 02:07 AM
Just a quick one, I was thinkin of getting the iPhone this friday in the UK but im aware the software has been updated to 1.1.2. I want to unlock the phone so should i buy it and just keep it in the box until someone releases an unlocker for 1.1.2? Any ideas on whats the best thing to do?


Yeah this is exactly what you'll have to do. Shouldn't be too long before an unlocker comes out. I'm doing the same but am picking one up from the States in December to take advantage of the exchange rate :D

metoo6000
Nov 7, 2007, 02:10 AM
Yeah this is exactly what you'll have to do. Shouldn't be too long before an unlocker comes out. I'm doing the same but am picking one up from the States in December to take advantage of the exchange rate :D

You are lucky...
I may just wait until an unlocking tool comes out... :(

fastbite
Nov 7, 2007, 02:27 AM
Don't these launches in Europe (and the eventual ones in Canada and Australia later this year or early next) kind of kill the idea what we will see iPhone 2.0 unveiled at MWSF? If a new iPhone is announced it will pretty much kill the current iPhone sales in the rest of the world where it has just been introduced.

I think Apple will wait till at least May or June to announce a new version to be sold starting in Q4 2008 all simultaneously across the world.

Maybe not an iPhone 2.0 but a mini or alternative lower cost one. I feel that will be the angle.

machatch
Nov 7, 2007, 02:35 AM
Don't these launches in Europe (and the eventual ones in Canada and Australia later this year or early next) kind of kill the idea what we will see iPhone 2.0 unveiled at MWSF? If a new iPhone is announced it will pretty much kill the current iPhone sales in the rest of the world where it has just been introduced.

I think Apple will wait till at least May or June to announce a new version to be sold starting in Q4 2008 all simultaneously across the world.

dident no about a new iphone.
cool:)hopes it comes to europe where i live:)

Dembo
Nov 7, 2007, 02:46 AM
Hmmm, Germany will be an interesting launch: USD 70,- for 100mins, 40 texts and throttled data if you go above 200MB/month is by far the worst contract bundled to an iPhone. It made me and many people I know give up on the iPhone which is just sad... :(

If T-Mobile gets through with those prices carriers in other countries like Canada or Australia will be even greedier.

casjohnr
Nov 7, 2007, 02:48 AM
If I buy a iPhone from the Apple Store and don't break the seal on it can I return it within 14 days for a full refund?

As I'm thinking of buying 2 as my friend was after one but without it being unlocked they would find it useless.

koobcamuk
Nov 7, 2007, 03:04 AM
People don't speak in megabits

haha :rolleyes:

cal6n
Nov 7, 2007, 03:08 AM
Alright People?

Just a quick one, I was thinkin of getting the iPhone this friday in the UK but im aware the software has been updated to 1.1.2. I want to unlock the phone so should i buy it and just keep it in the box until someone releases an unlocker for 1.1.2? Any ideas on whats the best thing to do?

Cheers!

Don't update your iTunes beyond 7.4.2 as it breaks the Independence app. There's a (admittedly rather slim) possibility that 1.1.2 may respond to a rapidly updated version of Independence. It is only a x.x.1 update, after all.

cal6n
Nov 7, 2007, 03:12 AM
If I buy a iPhone from the Apple Store and don't break the seal on it can I return it within 14 days for a full refund?

As I'm thinking of buying 2 as my friend was after one but without it being unlocked they would find it useless.

Don't buy until an unlock is confirmed. It's not like there's going to be a shortage...

samh004
Nov 7, 2007, 03:28 AM
I seriously doubt they can have a 3G version ready before Christmas 2008.

There was an article posted here just the other day about Broadcom I think integrating a 3G chip and some other components with a price of $23 and available now. It was said to lower power and space requirements while also increase other things, like support for a 5-megapixel camera.

I could perhaps see a 3G version come out in a few months for launch in Australia, and other markets in the US/UK/Germany/France if need be too... without changing too much else (like keeping the camera the same and design the same etc...) therefore it'd be more like a 1.5 update rather than a version 2.

no - but you can buy the French version. As 1.1.2 obviously has all the supported languages pre-installed, you can simply buy an unlocked version in France and set it to English (or whatever language you need).

You'll still be depending on semi-legal methods to activate it, though: while the French phones come un-locked, they can only be activated for the Orange network in France.

kis

I believe it's only unlocked after 6 months, so does that mean in 6 months time you can buy one, or you have to use it for 6 months before you can unlock it, I don't know, but it's 6 months from whenever it's released regardless.

jesteraver
Nov 7, 2007, 03:38 AM
Hopefully in the coming days the iPhone gets some new inner-workings (16GB / HSDPA) there is for sure no chance in hell for a 5 MP but the NAND and 3.5G for sure would make up for it.

Oblivious`
Nov 7, 2007, 04:00 AM
Hey All,

Just a quick question if i go to the o2 shop will i have to activate it at the shop or does it get done with itunes?

Ross

Veri
Nov 7, 2007, 04:05 AM
"unlimited with limits"
I await a report from the first person to leave their iPhone downloading 24 hours a day for a month ;).

It seems to further confirm that Apple isn't (officially) interested in allowing me to use an iPhone as a laptop modem, which I've been doing with my mobiles since 1999 (first on regular GSM dialup).

eenu
Nov 7, 2007, 04:08 AM
Hey All,

Just a quick question if i go to the o2 shop will i have to activate it at the shop or does it get done with itunes?

Ross

itunes.... google and o2.co.uk are you friends!

Oblivious`
Nov 7, 2007, 04:14 AM
itunes.... google and o2.co.uk are you friends!

A what what in the what what.

SPinc33
Nov 7, 2007, 04:50 AM
I'm American but have been living in Germany for the past 4 years. As if it didn't kill me enough watching the U.S. launch this summer from overseas, the German plan really rubbed salt in the wounds.

Anybody esle in my shoes? I don't mind paying early adopter premiums to get my gadgets early, but to do so every month is such a travesty.

Looks like I'll be watching yet another launch date go by, waiting for the next revision and for prices to come down.

MattJessop
Nov 7, 2007, 04:51 AM
A what what in the what what.

Roger, Roger. What's our vector, Victor?

Oblivious`
Nov 7, 2007, 04:58 AM
Roger, Roger. What's our vector, Victor?

:rolleyes:

So can i just go in O2 and pick up the iPhone without registering there?

gnasher729
Nov 7, 2007, 05:28 AM
Hmmm, Germany will be an interesting launch: USD 70,- for ...

USD is not an accepted currency in Germany, so somehow I think you are wrong. If Apple advertised a phone in Germany with a price tag of USD 70 the chances of being sued would be one hundred percent. And thousands of lawyers in Germany would just send them a letter "Sorry guys, but advertising a price in USD where everyone else advertises in Euros is misleading consumers and therefore unfair competition. Please send €100 to my bank account for my efforts writing this nice letter to you".

Dagless
Nov 7, 2007, 05:40 AM
Best news all week! Unlimited data on the iPhone? I'm there baby :D maybe not launch day. since it's on Friday and I can't afford the bugger after giving up on the iPhone and going on a spending spree. Unlimited is good. Very good. Thanks Apple, Thapple.

markturnip
Nov 7, 2007, 05:54 AM
Has anyone confirmed if you must sign up for a contact on purchase of the iPhone in the UK Apple stores?

Seems a bit strange they haven't - it's almost like they're helping out unlockers.... I imagine the only reason it could be is because the apple employee's may not be authorised to set up contracts....

irbdavid
Nov 7, 2007, 06:04 AM
£269 for the initial thing.
18 month contract at minimum £35 per month:

A nice round figure of £899 to own the iPhone for 18 months. How many people, even among us mac users, can justify that?? Maybe if your employer was paying the bills, but which company would pick an iPhone over a blackberry type thing?

Mobile phone pricing is one of the most ridiculous things these days. A 5kB text message costs nearly the same as a 500kB voice conversation.

I'll be sticking with my £40 nokia and my £10 p/m O2 sim. 300 free texts per month - more than the £35 iphone contract...

irbdavid
Nov 7, 2007, 06:06 AM
Has anyone confirmed if you must sign up for a contact on purchase of the iPhone in the UK Apple stores?

Seems a bit strange they haven't - it's almost like they're helping out unlockers.... I imagine the only reason it could be is because the apple employee's may not be authorised to set up contracts....

Isn't phone-unlocking some sort of consumer-right thing over here? After all, you pay the for the contract if you've signed it, even if you never even switch your phone on...

HTrig
Nov 7, 2007, 06:15 AM
I believe it's only unlocked after 6 months, so does that mean in 6 months time you can buy one, or you have to use it for 6 months before you can unlock it, I don't know, but it's 6 months from whenever it's released regardless.

hmm thats not whats being said elsewhere (http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/06/iphone-delayed-in-france-due-to-unlocking-laws/)

twoodcc
Nov 7, 2007, 06:20 AM
that's cool that it's at 6:02 launch. and glad to see real unlimited data

eenu
Nov 7, 2007, 06:29 AM
:rolleyes:

So can i just go in O2 and pick up the iPhone without registering there?

As i have already said YES!

I also said look at o2.co.uk and google all the information you have asked for has been out since september 18th!

As a:

Apple Certified Technical Coordinator
Apple Certified Helpdesk Specialist

I would have thought you would have been 1) more clued up about apple products especially given the US example of iphone activation and 2) Smart enough to look at google and o2.co.uk for your answer, or heaven forbid pick up a phone and call o2 and maybe 3) able to not ask the question again once it had already been answered

Abraxx
Nov 7, 2007, 06:50 AM
What happens if the iPhone breaks irreparable, gets lost or even stolen (the latter being quite likely), do the customers
get a replacement (even if they have to pay 399 again) without having to sign for a new contract or maybe even the old contract must ceased, due to the exclusivity and the fact the customer is not able to make use of the telco service without the hardware (similar situation like when moving house...). There is no word from T-Mobile yet, but by german laws I have my doubts that customers can be forced to stay in a contract without the possibllity to replace the exclusively required hardware...
:confused:

eenu
Nov 7, 2007, 06:52 AM
What happens if the iPhone breaks irreparable, gets lost or even stolen (the latter being quite likely), do the customers
get a replacement (even if they have to pay 399 again) without having to sign for a new contract or maybe even the old contract must ceased, due to the exclusivity and the fact the customer is not able to make use of the telco service without the hardware (similar situation like when moving house...). There is no word from T-Mobile yet, but by german laws I have my doubts that customers can be forced to stay in a contract without the possibllity to replace the exclusively required hardware...
:confused:

well i would presume thats why you take out insurance :rolleyes:

bigandy
Nov 7, 2007, 06:54 AM
glad to see real unlimited data
i'll start believing in santa when i see him.


What happens if the iPhone breaks irreparable, gets lost or even stolen (the latter being quite likely), do the customers
get a replacement (even if they have to pay 399 again) without having to sign for a new contract or maybe even the old contract must ceased, due to the exclusivity and the fact the customer is not able to make use of the telco service without the hardware (similar situation like when moving house...). There is no word from T-Mobile yet, but by german laws I have my doubts that customers can be forced to stay in a contract without the possibllity to replace the exclusively required hardware...
:confused:
There's a warranty for if it breaks, which means it'll be either (a) fixed, or (b) replaced. If it's lost or stolen, it's not their fault, so why should O2 let them out of their contract, or Apple give them a free replacement? This is no different from any other contract - you lose your phone, you pay a penalty.

If you're worried about it, insure it. Simple as.

samgilbert
Nov 7, 2007, 06:55 AM
if i turn up at the regent street store at 6pm on friday, does anyone have a guess how long the wait will be? thanks

Digitalclips
Nov 7, 2007, 06:56 AM
Don't these launches in Europe (and the eventual ones in Canada and Australia later this year or early next) kind of kill the idea what we will see iPhone 2.0 unveiled at MWSF? If a new iPhone is announced it will pretty much kill the current iPhone sales in the rest of the world where it has just been introduced.

I think Apple will wait till at least May or June to announce a new version to be sold starting in Q4 2008 all simultaneously across the world.

Agreed , unless it is an addition to the line rather than a replacement ... then it would not matter I guess.

davem7
Nov 7, 2007, 06:57 AM
Alright People?

Just a quick one, I was thinkin of getting the iPhone this friday in the UK but im aware the software has been updated to 1.1.2. I want to unlock the phone so should i buy it and just keep it in the box until someone releases an unlocker for 1.1.2? Any ideas on whats the best thing to do?

Cheers!

I'm in the same boat as you. My plan is to grab the phone on Friday anyway. My hope is that the firmware can be downgraded to 1.1.1 (in the same fashion as the 1.1.1 -> 1.0.2 downgrade). Indications I've picked up are that it probably can, but the baseband will remain at the 1.1.2 level so unlocking won't be an option, until the dev team releases a new unlocker. However, at least it'll be usable as an iPod for the time being.

Abraxx
Nov 7, 2007, 07:06 AM
i'll start believing in santa when i see him.



There's a warranty for if it breaks, which means it'll be either (a) fixed, or (b) replaced. If it's lost or stolen, it's not their fault, so why should O2 let them out of their contract, or Apple give them a free replacement? This is no different from any other contract - you lose your phone, you pay a penalty.

If you're worried about it, insure it. Simple as.

Warranty or Insurance is not the point here at all.

I think you haven't understood the point of my question, its not the hardware its the contract which continues to run, I can insure the hardware but the customer would maybe have to sign up for a new contract thats defnitely not only a customer problem even if he broke the iphone himself!? These are two separate things, its not that if I get money from the insurance to replace the hardware, but the issue is the exclusivity bundled with hardware! Thats a new situation. Without phone and the possiblity to replace it even with payment would make it impossible to make use of the signed contract, therefore there is no basis for the contract anymore, little example if you move the house though your hommephone contract would still run for some month, there is nevertheless no basis for the service anymore so you just can cancel it. So what I mean is the customer MUST have the possibility to get back and be able to use the exclusive tarif even if the phone gets lost or stolen, of course this risk must financially be covered and basically the customer will have to pay for it somehow but my poinit is THERE IS NO WORD FROM ANYBODY HOW THIS "PROCESS" WOULD WORK, or did I miss something! I hope I might myself clear now :)

PS don't forget that the mobile tariffs do contain special services like the visual voicebox which is only usable with the iphone!

csimmons
Nov 7, 2007, 07:07 AM
I'm American but have been living in Germany for the past 4 years. As if it didn't kill me enough watching the U.S. launch this summer from overseas, the German plan really rubbed salt in the wounds.

Anybody esle in my shoes? I don't mind paying early adopter premiums to get my gadgets early, but to do so every month is such a travesty.

Looks like I'll be watching yet another launch date go by, waiting for the next revision and for prices to come down.

I feel your pain. I can't get out of my current contract with Vodafone until March, so it's not so bad. The deal-clincher for me is WiFi access. Since I travel a lot and spend lots of time in Germany train stations - all of which have T-Com HotSpots - the iPhone would make stuff like 3G and MMS totally irrelevant. Honestly, who would whop down the fee required to send an MMS when one could achieve the same result through email virtually for free?

Oh-es-Ten
Nov 7, 2007, 07:19 AM
Thanks Apple, Thapple.

Ah, a 'Look Around You' quote... brilliant.

Re: Unlimited Data.. I would also like to say (to O2) Thanks Matthew. Thatthew.

Dagless
Nov 7, 2007, 07:33 AM
£269 for the initial thing.
18 month contract at minimum £35 per month:

A nice round figure of £899 to own the iPhone for 18 months. How many people, even among us mac users, can justify that?? Maybe if your employer was paying the bills, but which company would pick an iPhone over a blackberry type thing?

Mobile phone pricing is one of the most ridiculous things these days. A 5kB text message costs nearly the same as a 500kB voice conversation.

I'll be sticking with my £40 nokia and my £10 p/m O2 sim. 300 free texts per month - more than the £35 iphone contract...

I believe the bulk of the contract cost is going to the unlimited data. Which isn't good if you'd rather talk and text, but I've got a nice deal on another network (crappy Voda) where me and my girlfriend can ring each other for free.

Yea. Way I see it; low end call+text tarrif with unlimited data. Worth it IMO.

Yateball
Nov 7, 2007, 07:50 AM
Cool.... now what about Canada?

Stella
Nov 7, 2007, 07:52 AM
Cool.... now what about Canada?

Unless your very rich, the common person could never afford the iPhone contract under Rogers!

abrooks
Nov 7, 2007, 08:07 AM
Cool.... now what about Canada?

Where?









:p

Yateball
Nov 7, 2007, 08:30 AM
Unless your very rich, the common person could never afford the iPhone contract under Rogers!

So true, but I'm still one of the optimistic ones that Apple and Rogers will come to some sort of deal to lower data prices. After all, it would help Rogers for sure.

Wavell
Nov 7, 2007, 09:02 AM
if i turn up at the regent street store at 6pm on friday, does anyone have a guess how long the wait will be? thanks

Hi all,

first time posting here (I tend to be more of a lurker but couldn't resist answering this one) so be gentle with me !

anyway, from what I gather.. and this is to give some indication of expected response in the UK... The CEO of Carphone Warehouse is expecting to sell 10,000 iPhones in the first 4 hours on Friday. Carphone Warehouse have 450 stores in the UK, so a quick calculation sees..

22 phones sold per store in 4 hours.. or one every 10 minutes or so, on the night.

As I said - it's *very* rough estimate. I'm going to pull on by one of their stores at 9pm or so in the hope that there won't be any queues ;)

Fotek2001
Nov 7, 2007, 09:07 AM
I'm still amazed that people are so interested in the iPhone in the UK... It doesn't have MMS which is now almost ubiquitous, the camera is pathetic, the storage capacity's really low and it's insanely expensive.

I was keen to get one and having played with an iPod touch the other day, I became even more excited but no matter how much I'd like one, I simply cannot justify spending that much on a phone which lacks basic things like the ability to support MMS. This may sound stupid but I get picture messages from friends and family all the time and not being able to receive them on the 'hottest new device' will make me look like a laughing stock!

Wavell
Nov 7, 2007, 09:13 AM
I'm still amazed that people are so interested in the iPhone in the UK... It doesn't have MMS which is now almost ubiquitous, the camera is pathetic, the storage capacity's really low and it's insanely expensive.

I'm just getting one because it just looks awesome and I'm also a bit of a gadget freak. I'm not too fussed about MMS - that's just software at the end of the day and I'm sure it'll be sorted out in a future update :)

jotwee
Nov 7, 2007, 10:03 AM
I reserved one today in a "T-Punkt", so i will get my iPhone early on friday morning :D

Oh-es-Ten
Nov 7, 2007, 10:16 AM
I'm just getting one because it just looks awesome and I'm also a bit of a gadget freak. I'm not too fussed about MMS - that's just software at the end of the day and I'm sure it'll be sorted out in a future update :)

I played with a US iPhone for a while and I was sold as soon as played with it for 5 mins.

This was less like 'that is an expensive phone' and more like 'this is an amazing held touch screen Mac and iPod....oh and it makes calls as well'...

Most handsets I have upgraded to have always disappointed me, however I am not expecting the iPhone to be.

I have never used MMS as after having worked on some software that deals with mobile gateways it is clear that the results are different on every handset and the quality varies depending on which network you are sending it to. If I send someone a pic via e-mail, at least I know they will get a decent quality pic.

Don't get me wrong, this may be a good reason for some people not to get this handset, but not good enough for me.

MattJessop
Nov 7, 2007, 10:18 AM
Ah, a 'Look Around You' quote... brilliant.

Re: Unlimited Data.. I would also like to say (to O2) Thanks Matthew. Thatthew.

Ah, I havn't seen that show in ages.

What are birds? We just don't know.

bigandy
Nov 7, 2007, 12:14 PM
Warranty or Insurance is not the point here at all.

I think you haven't understood the point of my question, its not the hardware its the contract which continues to run, I can insure the hardware but the customer would maybe have to sign up for a new contract thats defnitely not only a customer problem even if he broke the iphone himself!? These are two separate things, its not that if I get money from the insurance to replace the hardware, but the issue is the exclusivity bundled with hardware! Thats a new situation. Without phone and the possiblity to replace it even with payment would make it impossible to make use of the signed contract, therefore there is no basis for the contract anymore, little example if you move the house though your hommephone contract would still run for some month, there is nevertheless no basis for the service anymore so you just can cancel it. So what I mean is the customer MUST have the possibility to get back and be able to use the exclusive tarif even if the phone gets lost or stolen, of course this risk must financially be covered and basically the customer will have to pay for it somehow but my poinit is THERE IS NO WORD FROM ANYBODY HOW THIS "PROCESS" WOULD WORK, or did I miss something! I hope I might myself clear now :)

PS don't forget that the mobile tariffs do contain special services like the visual voicebox which is only usable with the iphone!

Quite obviously, you didn't get what I was hinting at :p

When you lose, break, or otherwise end up requiring a new handset, how does it work in the UK?

It works one of the following ways, depending on your network:

1. You get a new handset, at full price, and can activate it on your current contract.

2. You get a new handset, at full price, and your contract is reset to the 12, 18, or 24 months it was at when you started.

3. The network offers you a free handset again, if you promise to take out insurance. This obviously won't happen with the iPhone, as it's not subsidised (much, if at all).

So it looks like it will be option 1 or option 2. Neither are horrific. Except the £30-£50 networks charge for a replacement SIM card if you're not careful.

eenu
Nov 7, 2007, 12:54 PM
Quite obviously, you didn't get what I was hinting at :p

When you lose, break, or otherwise end up requiring a new handset, how does it work in the UK?

It works one of the following ways, depending on your network:

1. You get a new handset, at full price, and can activate it on your current contract.

2. You get a new handset, at full price, and your contract is reset to the 12, 18, or 24 months it was at when you started.

3. The network offers you a free handset again, if you promise to take out insurance. This obviously won't happen with the iPhone, as it's not subsidised (much, if at all).

So it looks like it will be option 1 or option 2. Neither are horrific. Except the £30-£50 networks charge for a replacement SIM card if you're not careful.

Doesn't work that way on O2 when you have the insurance with them. You pay for the insurance monthly. You get a new handset and simcard etc..... ie get you iphone nicked and a new one turns up and you activate it viaa itunes again no hassle. Why are people making such a meal out of that!?

Abraxx
Nov 8, 2007, 02:36 AM
Quite obviously, you didn't get what I was hinting at :p

When you lose, break, or otherwise end up requiring a new handset, how does it work in the UK?

It works one of the following ways, depending on your network:

1. You get a new handset, at full price, and can activate it on your current contract.

2. You get a new handset, at full price, and your contract is reset to the 12, 18, or 24 months it was at when you started.

3. The network offers you a free handset again, if you promise to take out insurance. This obviously won't happen with the iPhone, as it's not subsidised (much, if at all).

So it looks like it will be option 1 or option 2. Neither are horrific. Except the £30-£50 networks charge for a replacement SIM card if you're not careful.

Well this would work, though I asked several T-Mobile customer support people and nobody could answer me that question, they didn't knew what they are allowed to do with regards to the iphone...
I'm going to ask them tomorrow in a store again. Yet I won't buy one, I'll wait in case the release is a flop in GY and prices drop...

Dembo
Nov 8, 2007, 03:28 AM
USD is not an accepted currency in Germany, so somehow I think you are wrong. If Apple advertised a phone in Germany with a price tag of USD 70 the chances of being sued would be one hundred percent. And thousands of lawyers in Germany would just send them a letter "Sorry guys, but advertising a price in USD where everyone else advertises in Euros is misleading consumers and therefore unfair competition. Please send €100 to my bank account for my efforts writing this nice letter to you".
(a) macrumros.com is registered by Arnold who happens to live in Virginia, USA - while that implies by now means that the majority of the forum members is indeed from the US, I took the liberty to convert EUR 50,- to USD since most of the people will be familiar with the rate plans and prices in the US.
If you are having a hard time doing the conversion, I suggest you google "70 USD in EUR" – amazing, eh?

(b) better check again with your lawyer(s) before writing letters: what makes you think I cannot advertise a product in whatever currency I like? Try booking a LHR-NYC-LHR via the German BA site - price is quoted in GBP (granted, it comes with a disclaimer).

I understand your pain though: T-Mobile asks me to pay TTD 3.6 for a 10s call, that’s right all you folks in the sunny Caribbean – TTD 3.6 for 10s, we are talking a 60/60 system here…

ABM
Nov 8, 2007, 04:41 PM
German online store is down... :)

John Musbach
Nov 8, 2007, 10:26 PM
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Apple will be launching the iPhone in the UK and Germany this Friday, November 9th.

A press release (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/11/06iphone.html) details the launch details for Apple, O2 and Carphone Warehouse. The iPhone will be available from more than 1,300 Apple, O2 and Carphone Warehouse retail locations across the UK starting at 6:02pm. O2 has hired and trained hundreds of new iPhone specialists who will be in all 450 O2 stores. The UK iPhone will be sold for £269 and require an 18 month contract with O2. Only two iPhones may be purchased per person.

Despite some early comments indicating that there would be a data cap on the O2 network for EDGE-data, a recent Telegraph.co.uk article (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml;jsessionid=JWRDHF2QV0PLTQFIQMFCFFOAVCBQYIV0?xml=/money/2007/11/03/cniphone103.xml) states that O2 has scrapped plans to limit web usage on the iPhone -- instead allowing users to download as much as they like.


The iPhone is also launching in Germany on November 9th through Telekom Shops of Deutsche Telekom as well as the T-Mobile web shop starting at midnight. The German iPhone requires a new 2-year T-Mobile rate plan and will be available for €399.

We've reopened (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=104) our iPhone Purchaser Meetup forum to allow MacRumors in coordinating with others.

Existing iPhone users should also find interest in the the UK/German iPhone launch as it will likely coincide with the release of the 1.1.2 iPhone Firmware (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/11/03/iphone-firmware-1-1-2-on-the-way/) which is said to offer a number of bug and security fixes along with international language support.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/11/06/apple-iphone-launches-in-germany-and-uk-on-november-9th/)Congrats to those of you in the UK and Germany, about time you guys got to play with these phones :)

Dembo
Nov 9, 2007, 07:05 AM
iPhone on sale for 14+h in Germany - can't be much longer before the first people will run into T-Mobile's download speed cap of 64kBits per second... :p