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MacRumors
Nov 7, 2007, 01:41 PM
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Apple has won large contracts for MacBooks in Kansas City (http://www.kansascity.com/business/technology/story/349949.html) and Louisiana (http://www.sulphurdailynews.com/articles/2007/11/07/news/news.txt). The two contracts are valued at $6.4 million and $5 million respectively

It appears Apple has made efforts to provide custom solutions to educators to meet their needs. Kansas City officials describe additional security measures added to the MacBooks, including a way to track lost/stolen MacBooks:
All of the laptops have stickers clearly identifying them as the property of the Kansas City, Kan., public schools. The sticker will not come off without virtually destroying the laptop. If thieves find a way around that obstacle, a GPS tracking device will help locate it. If all else fails, district officials said, they could also use a remote device to destroy the hard drive.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/11/07/apple-offers-customized-macbooks-to-school-districts/)



crees!
Nov 7, 2007, 01:42 PM
GPS, remote destroyed hard drives... mmm

queshy
Nov 7, 2007, 01:42 PM
Wow, that's pretty high tech!!!!

Good for apple, and good for the students.

deathshrub
Nov 7, 2007, 01:43 PM
All of the laptops have stickers clearly identifying them as the property of the Kansas City, Kan., public schools.

Wow, stickers. Cutting edge.

If all else fails, district officials said, they could also use a remote device to destroy the hard drive.

This is a joke, right?

discomandavis
Nov 7, 2007, 01:45 PM
ive been thinking that for apple to work its way to the top of the market is to really make an effort to get its computers in schools. even if it means giving them out dirt cheap. because thats how it all starts. kids use them at school all the time. then they get used to it. whenthose kids buy there first computer they buy mac cuz its what they used in school. there really is no better advertisment then getting these computers out there and getting the students to use them

PlaceofDis
Nov 7, 2007, 01:47 PM
ive been thinking that for apple to work its way to the top of the market is to really make an effort to get its computers in schools. even if it means giving them out dirt cheap. because thats how it all starts. kids use them at school all the time. then they get used to it. whenthose kids buy there first computer they buy mac cuz its what they used in school. there really is no better advertisment then getting these computers out there and getting the students to use them

exactly. which is why its good that apple are going the extra step.

C00rDiNaT0r
Nov 7, 2007, 01:47 PM
Trivial ways to get around it would be to not turn it back on until you do all the necessary modding.

Spider.Jm
Nov 7, 2007, 01:47 PM
remote hard drive destruction. sounds so Brutal. why not just have a self destruction device lose half the battery, gain c4. Now that would bring down theft

Kardashian
Nov 7, 2007, 01:47 PM
I wish I'd grown up and gone to school in the US.

We were stuck with stupid Windows PC's right through school - and only in my last year (6 months ago) did we get Windows XP.

Way to go with the latest technology, guys!

[Gosh, I'm almost paying Windows a compliment in a way.. latest technology? Hehe. I made a funny.]

goodtimes5
Nov 7, 2007, 01:48 PM
Holy crap, are you kidding me? Explode the hard drive remotely? What are the safety precautions on these things?

plumbingandtech
Nov 7, 2007, 01:50 PM
Holy crap, are you kidding me? Explode the hard drive remotely? What are the safety precautions on these things?

Erase. Or possible firmware erase too.

Do you really think they would blow something up?

Anonymous Freak
Nov 7, 2007, 01:51 PM
Okay, people, do you honestly think there is a small explosive in the computer that physically destroys the hard drive? No.

It is likely just a software program that writes over the boot sector or something similar. Or, at the most extreme, a firmware modification to the hard drive that renders the hard drive's firmware inoperative, thereby "destroying" the hard drive. (It would require sending the hard drive back to the factory to re-write the firmware to fix.)

deathshrub
Nov 7, 2007, 01:51 PM
ive been thinking that for apple to work its way to the top of the market is to really make an effort to get its computers in schools. even if it means giving them out dirt cheap. because thats how it all starts. kids use them at school all the time. then they get used to it. whenthose kids buy there first computer they buy mac cuz its what they used in school. there really is no better advertisment then getting these computers out there and getting the students to use them

Agreed with you on all counts there. In elementary school all the computers I've used were macs. Every computer I've bought thus far has been a mac, except for one laptop PC. I feel so awful about it that when the new Mac Pros come out, I will immediately plonk down about $6,000 for one. :D

TheSpecialist
Nov 7, 2007, 01:53 PM
That sounds really cool! Good initiative!

chelseasian
Nov 7, 2007, 01:54 PM
Apple's been known to customized Macs for corporate clients as well. Where I work, we've had custom built PowerBooks. They are distinct by their non-Ti casing and it was red. So if you order enough of such machines and have some sort of alliance with Apple, I am sure they will build customized solutions.

extraextra
Nov 7, 2007, 01:54 PM
Where does it say "exploding", it just says "destroy". That could mean anything, and probably doesn't mean exploding.

In all the schools I've gone to, they had Macs. (eMacs/iMacs) In middle school and high school, there were separate Mac / PC labs.

However in college, 99% of the computers are PCs. :(

mcarnes
Nov 7, 2007, 01:55 PM
SJ watched one too many episodes of Mission Impossible.

entropys
Nov 7, 2007, 01:58 PM
"sorry Miss, but a hacker destroyed my homework!"*


* excuse not valid if macbook runs leopard and time machine backups to external HD.

Modrak
Nov 7, 2007, 01:58 PM
Awesome. I'd love get hold of one of those. See how the sticker actually sticks and the most important thing...how they plan on blowing up the HDD :D

boss1
Nov 7, 2007, 02:00 PM
i dont see why anyone would rate this as negative. I would imagine that theft of expensive technology from schools is one of the major barriers from purchasing technologies. If this lessens the risk for schools and results in more technologies being implemented than thats most important for our educational system.

dukebound85
Nov 7, 2007, 02:01 PM
can i have a gps just in case mine is stolen...

Superchud
Nov 7, 2007, 02:03 PM
With all of the recent issues with Leopard Data Loss and defective Seagate HDD's, doesn't seem to be much need for remote HDD destruction. Looks like that feature is already being bundled with all MacBooks without any special customization. :D

chaseardoin7
Nov 7, 2007, 02:03 PM
hot dang. i live in louisiana and i'm an education major. this news is great and even know that the govenor made the announcement like 10 miles from where i'm sitting right now.

this is exciting.

i <3 :apple:

bbarnhart
Nov 7, 2007, 02:05 PM
Apple must have swapped some of these special Seagate remote destroying hard drives with the regular retail MacBooks. Link (http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/warning/seagate-25+inch-hard-drive-flaw-affecting-macbooks-316350.php)

goosnarrggh
Nov 7, 2007, 02:07 PM
Okay, people, do you honestly think there is a small explosive in the computer that physically destroys the hard drive? No.

It is likely just a software program that writes over the boot sector or something similar. Or, at the most extreme, a firmware modification to the hard drive that renders the hard drive's firmware inoperative, thereby "destroying" the hard drive. (It would require sending the hard drive back to the factory to re-write the firmware to fix.)

I would rather they put the poison pill inside the CPU or some other component which isn't user-exchangeable.

Of course, this technology is only acceptable if Apple is contractually obliged to turn over absolute discretion for control of the poison pill to the legal end-user as soon as the laptop is purchased.

Speaking hypothetically for a moment, it would be an absolutely unacceptable situation if Apple were to reserve the right to activate such a mechanism themselves without the end-user's explicit request, no matter what justification they thought they had for taking such action. (I mention this because it's just the sort of thing I can imagine a hypothetically evil corporation doing if it detected that the end-user was violating the software EULA...)

InLikeALion
Nov 7, 2007, 02:12 PM
These don't explode. There are enterprise hdd's that have ink or acid capsules in them that can be remotely activated. These permanently ruin the platter surface so they can no longer be read by the heads - no matter what software recovery is used.

mlochm
Nov 7, 2007, 02:12 PM
sensitive nuclear secrets?

Carl Spackler
Nov 7, 2007, 02:17 PM
ive been thinking that for apple to work its way to the top of the market is to really make an effort to get its computers in schools. even if it means giving them out dirt cheap. because thats how it all starts. kids use them at school all the time. then they get used to it. whenthose kids buy there first computer they buy mac cuz its what they used in school. there really is no better advertisment then getting these computers out there and getting the students to use them

I was very fortunate to be in grade school in the early, early 80's, when Apple ruled the roost in schools. For the longest time, I had no idea any other computers existed.

Go little turtle drawing program...whatever you were called!

goosnarrggh
Nov 7, 2007, 02:20 PM
I was very fortunate to be in grade school in the early, early 80's, when Apple ruled the roost in schools. For the longest time, I had no idea any other computers existed.

Go little turtle drawing program...whatever you were called!

LOGO. It was a programming language that was available in equivalent forms for other microcomputers besides the Apple ][, if I recall correctly, but the Apple version certainly was very popular as a teaching tool.

gceo
Nov 7, 2007, 02:23 PM
GPS, remote destroyed hard drives... mmm

This should be a stock option, then Macbooks wouldn't be such a HOT item.

crackermac
Nov 7, 2007, 02:25 PM
I just remember playing Oregon Trail and super munchers (maybe it was number munchers) when I used them in elementary school.

I still have a pizza box (Mac LC) so I can rock out on Oregon Trail

jellomizer
Nov 7, 2007, 02:26 PM
Having the Hard Drive break or whip out isn't that big of a deal get a $1000.00 Laptop and buy a $100.00 replacement Disk.

As for the impossible sticker I haven't seen one yet.. There are the Acid burn stickers which melt the information to Plastic or Metal but if it doesn't do that they may not peel off but some time with a mild abrasive may do a good job. Then some polish when your done and it will look almost like new.

If you need protection from stealing them I would suggest that you find a way for a CPU self destruction (Perhaps an Apple ]I[ Design). That would bring the $1000.00 Laptop to a $100.00 laptop...

I am guessing kids will steal them for their own use so I guess blowing up the drive is better then nothing because they will not go out of their way for a new drive... But if there are more criminal behavior going on I would assume the parts are worth more then the system itself. Even without a Case and a Drive.

notjustjay
Nov 7, 2007, 02:29 PM
Stickers? Can't they run these through the iPod assembly line and have them laser-etched with the school district information?

psychofreak
Nov 7, 2007, 02:30 PM
This should be a stock option, then Macbooks wouldn't be such a HOT item.

I don't know why GPS isn't an option, it would be useful to so many people, and Apple clearly have nothing physical stopping them. gMaps integration would be awesome...

SeaFox
Nov 7, 2007, 02:36 PM
]All of the laptops have stickers clearly identifying them as the property of the Kansas City, Kan., public schools. The sticker will not come off without virtually destroying the laptop.
Destroying, as in replacing the case section that has the sticker, or, heck, just putting stickers all over the laptop to hide the school district's sticker.

If thieves find a way around that obstacle, a GPS tracking device will help locate it. If all else fails, district officials said, they could also use a remote device to destroy the hard drive.
So now the thief replaces the hard drive, too.

johnnyi
Nov 7, 2007, 02:50 PM
remote detonator to kill the hard drive !,GPS,No removable sticker well done apple but i think that apple should strap C4 inside the mac. When it gets stolen hit the big red button and boom kills the sucker who stole it in the first place.Why dont apple give us the option of the GPS as there is nothing worse than forking out 2000 on a laptop.Then 6 months down the line it gets knicked :mad: but go :apple: it sounds good.

TimTheEnchanter
Nov 7, 2007, 02:51 PM
Holy crap, are you kidding me? Explode the hard drive remotely? What are the safety precautions on these things?

Isn't this the Osama bin Laden Special Edition MacBook I've heard rumored about? ;) :eek:

evil0ne
Nov 7, 2007, 02:57 PM
I guess none of you have ever heard of CompuTrace. Guaranteed to recover your computer within 60 days or you get $1,000. We've had great success with it at work and have not found a way to defeat it.

guzhogi
Nov 7, 2007, 03:02 PM
While it's a good idea to get kids hooked on Macs when they're young, I wonder how well that'll work. ~90% of today's computers are Windows so some might think "Why get a Mac? The whole world uses Windows." On the other hand, Macs can run Windows now. Yet, w/ Apple's/Steve Job's control freak thing and not wanting to let 3rd party developers design for the iPhone and whatever, that might push some potential buyers away. Also, I remember an article a while back that said some game developers (EA or some other big name company) tried talking to Apple about bringing games over, but Apple was too hard to deal with. Hopefully, just using Macs in schools will be good enough to bring more converts. Only time will tell.

MongoTheGeek
Nov 7, 2007, 03:03 PM
There are numerous ways to "Destroy" a hard drive with software. The recent batch of Seagate drive problems is just on way. Rapid spin ups and stops, repeatedly overwriting the boot block. Putting the heads out before the drive spins up.

Its probably nothing Jim Phelps dramatic.

As for unremovable stickers, if KC schools are getting 5000 of these things they could get a custom plastic cover with the "sticker" etched or with a clear plastic case and the sticker between the plastic and the metal.

winterspan
Nov 7, 2007, 03:09 PM
I wish I'd grown up and gone to school in the US.

We were stuck with stupid Windows PC's right through school - and only in my last year (6 months ago) did we get Windows XP.

Way to go with the latest technology, guys!

[Gosh, I'm almost paying Windows a compliment in a way.. latest technology? Hehe. I made a funny.]

Seriously, it *REALLY* depends on where you go to school. Rich areas have nice public / private schools but elsewhere it's hit or miss. There are MANY areas of very poor education quality... It's almost like America is really 10 different countries, as it totally depends on what state you live in. And although we are one of the richest countries per capita, IMO our actual education spending is abysmal. Compared to most western European countries
and ESPECIALLY the Nordic countries per capita, It's a joke.
Although we do have excellent education in what most people outside the US call University ( In the US, 'college' and 'university' are the same thing).

LondonMacs
Nov 7, 2007, 03:11 PM
Quite interesting, england wont see this for a while

ChrisA
Nov 7, 2007, 03:12 PM
You have to take what you read with a grain of salt. For example "destroy the hard drive" likely means simply erasing some part of it and "GPS" likely means simply locating it by it's assigned IP address. The people who write for these papers may not have a technical background.

I'd bet both functions of "GPS" and "Destroy HD" are done in software only.

winterspan
Nov 7, 2007, 03:15 PM
hot dang. i live in louisiana and i'm an education major. this news is great and even know that the govenor made the announcement like 10 miles from where i'm sitting right now.

this is exciting.

i <3 :apple:


Isn't "education in Louisiana" an oxymoron? :D

Stampyhead
Nov 7, 2007, 03:18 PM
There's always a complainer out there making a fuss about them using Macs... Does he really think the school district would pay full retail price for these machine? Some people need to think before they write...

I believe that providing laptops is a great idea, but going with propitiatory software and some of the most high end hardware is a waste of money. Free software that is highly competitive is available as well as better priced hardware. The school just paid easily two times the amount they should have to use a name brand. Is this Apples new marketing, or just a display in terrible money management? Possibly someone should educate these educators before they educate our children. Indiana schools saw the benefit and sensibility to migrate towards Linux, perhaps that is part of the reason Indiana schools are accredited and Kansas City is not. Waste and excess is that the American way?

bignumbers
Nov 7, 2007, 03:29 PM
I'm sure we'll soon get revised info regarding what these laptops REALLY have.

I doubt there's real GPS functionality. It's probably a phone-home feature (Computrace or similar). If it had real GPS it would likely need FCC certification and we'd hear all about it. Not to mention the cost impact.

For destroying the hard drive, I'll guess it locks down the system, erases some key directory data, a specialized firmware password, or something along those lines. I don't see physical hard drive destruction involved, Seagate jokes aside.

winterspan
Nov 7, 2007, 03:39 PM
I'm sure we'll soon get revised info regarding what these laptops REALLY have.

I doubt there's real GPS functionality. It's probably a phone-home feature (Computrace or similar). If it had real GPS it would likely need FCC certification and we'd hear all about it. Not to mention the cost impact.

For destroying the hard drive, I'll guess it locks down the system, erases some key directory data, a specialized firmware password, or something along those lines. I don't see physical hard drive destruction involved, Seagate jokes aside.

Why would they need FCC certification?? It's not like Apple is going to physically manufacturer a new GPS chip. Couldn't they just use a cheap Surf Start III module connected internally, as the GPS device would already have passed certification?

phillipjfry
Nov 7, 2007, 03:52 PM
6 million$ in Apple Laptops? That comes out to like what, 200 laptops? :p


Erase. Or possible firmware erase too.

Do you really think they would blow something up?

Sony laptop batteries did it all the time :p

I guess none of you have ever heard of CompuTrace. Guaranteed to recover your computer within 60 days or you get $1,000. We've had great success with it at work and have not found a way to defeat it.

That ain't no crap. We had a laptop stolen from one of our warehouses. It wasn't 30 days later I heard my boss talking about prosecuting the now-in-custody thief to the full extent.

7031
Nov 7, 2007, 04:07 PM
Sticker eh? A bit like my school. They have the schools address engraved in the iMacs.

Though, to be honest, it's not too deep, and some sandpaper could probably remove it...

Seriously, it *REALLY* depends on where you go to school. Rich areas have nice public / private schools but elsewhere it's hit or miss. There are MANY areas of very poor education quality... It's almost like America is really 10 different countries, as it totally depends on what state you live in. And although we are one of the richest countries per capita, IMO our actual education spending is abysmal. Compared to most western European countries
and ESPECIALLY the Nordic countries per capita, It's a joke.
Although we do have excellent education in what most people outside the US call University ( In the US, 'college' and 'university' are the same thing).
True. It all depends on where you go, not specifically what country it is in, and yes, I'm sure America differs a vast amount between states.

compuguy1088
Nov 7, 2007, 04:22 PM
I was very fortunate to be in grade school in the early, early 80's, when Apple ruled the roost in schools. For the longest time, I had no idea any other computers existed.

Go little turtle drawing program...whatever you were called!

I've never used it, but I recall the "turtle drawing program" is called LOGO.

Fluffymuff
Nov 7, 2007, 04:29 PM
ive been thinking that for apple to work its way to the top of the market is to really make an effort to get its computers in schools. even if it means giving them out dirt cheap. because thats how it all starts. kids use them at school all the time. then they get used to it. whenthose kids buy there first computer they buy mac cuz its what they used in school. there really is no better advertisment then getting these computers out there and getting the students to use them

:confused::confused::confused:

I don't follow the logic.

:confused::confused::confused:

Kid uses a mac at school and likes it. Kid grows up and decides to buy a mac for him/herself.

:confused::confused::confused:

So you're saying that using a mac at school somehow influences the kid's future purchasing decision?

:confused::confused::confused:

I just don't follow.

Sorry.

fluidinclusion
Nov 7, 2007, 04:41 PM
This "large contractS" title is very misleading. The Louisiana article states it's for only 50 students (NOT Large), and just saying Kansas City implies Missouri, which is not where this occurred. While this first district will use Apple Computers, the article Macrumors linked to wasn't specific enough to know whether the $5 million will ALL go to Apple or if each district has the choice of Windows PCs. Remember their statement:"The exact model used will depend on individual schools and systems".

The rest could all be for Windows PCs as far as we know. The article isn't specific enough.

In addition:

While I'm happy that the poorer Kansas City, Kansas district will provide students with a great opportunity, it's certainly different than if Kansas City, MO schools adopted the same thing because the potential numbers are so different.



Poor reporting.

whirlpool
Nov 7, 2007, 04:41 PM
wtf? remote hdd destroyers, gps tracking... all for little school kiddies?

I'm sure this would probably cost more, than just replacing the macbook for if the one off gets stolen...

I was expecting the specs to be bumped down to make it cheaper and targeted for educational use.

greenmeanie
Nov 7, 2007, 04:49 PM
What do you use for Policy control and end point security when running a windows server with Mac clients?
How can you stop booting off USB on a Mac to stop kids from running a windows or linux OS off a USB key?
I am plagued with this and more all day long and would really like to know how you would stop this and more on a mac?

UbuntuFu
Nov 7, 2007, 05:00 PM
Sweet...now the poor kids can visit porn sites, chat away and waste tons of hours on Facebook and Myspace just like their rich classmates.

gnasher729
Nov 7, 2007, 05:23 PM
While it's a good idea to get kids hooked on Macs when they're young, I wonder how well that'll work. ~90% of today's computers are Windows so some might think "Why get a Mac? The whole world uses Windows."

Well, kids shouldn't learn to use the computers that the world uses now, but the computers the world uses when they come out of school. :)

But seriously, kids should use computers to learn other things. Like biology, history, music and so on. So they should use the computers that make that easiest.

Rocketman
Nov 7, 2007, 05:33 PM
I have had three friends recently ask me if the MacBook is available in colored and translucent cases. I said no. I got the impression it was a deal breaker. Apple might get 10% or more incremental sales by offering a case color BTO option.

Rocketman

Doctor Q
Nov 7, 2007, 05:36 PM
So they have "Kansas inside" stickers, eh? Maybe those (not the MacBooks) will become collectors items, if people figure out how to get them off.

YoNeX
Nov 7, 2007, 05:44 PM
Beating the Sticker:
Place another sticker over it! :D or some kind of skin

Beating the GPS:
Tinfoil!

Beat the Exploding Drive:
See Above
Take out the Hard Drive?

twoodcc
Nov 7, 2007, 05:53 PM
wow, that is crazy. good money for apple i guess, and good to see schools using macs

SciTeach
Nov 7, 2007, 06:01 PM
:apple: has been around education for decades. Maine had an program a few years back about giving every student in middle school a laptop. The chose :apple:. When the G4 processors came out, didn't Virginia Tech buy 1,000 of them to make a supercomputer out of them and then did it again with the Intel Cores came out. :apple: will always be around education and this is good. Compared to other plans, this is small, but it is a start. Now if EVERY school system did this in the US....:eek: :)

If it helps students learn.... good job :apple:!

As for the GPS...It will probably be something that is attached to the MacBooks rather than something :apple: does.

FaasNat
Nov 7, 2007, 06:08 PM
ive been thinking that for apple to work its way to the top of the market is to really make an effort to get its computers in schools. even if it means giving them out dirt cheap. because thats how it all starts. kids use them at school all the time. then they get used to it. whenthose kids buy there first computer they buy mac cuz its what they used in school. there really is no better advertisment then getting these computers out there and getting the students to use them
I think that's partly true. Though, back when I was in school, it was pretty much all Mac. However, most of my friends bought Windows computers so they could play games. Now, they still buy Windows systems because that's what they're mainly used to, plus they still like to play games.

mpw
Nov 7, 2007, 06:12 PM
Wow, that's pretty high tech!!!!...

Is it?

GPS and remote formatting of HDD has been available in smartphones for years.

I think it's great that Apple have put a GPS chipset into the MacBook as it suggests this *could* find it's way to other Apple products in the future.... but I won't hold my breath. As for the hard HDD erase, I guess that's just a software command the next time the MaBook conects to the 'net??

Anonymous Freak
Nov 7, 2007, 06:57 PM
I was very fortunate to be in grade school in the early, early 80's, when Apple ruled the roost in schools. For the longest time, I had no idea any other computers existed.

Go little turtle drawing program...whatever you were called!

Yeah, my first experience (yay early '80s!) was LOGO on Apple II's, too. Later moved on to Oregon Trail (very topically appropriate, as I grew up in, and still live in, Oregon,) and Where in the <xxx> is Carmen Sandiego?

Moved to Macs in high school. (Woo-hoo! Dual floppy SEs!)

My son's former elementary school has Macs, but this middle school uses a mish-mash of Macs and PCs. Most classrooms have 1-2 beige G3 all-in-one's and/or early iMacs; the 'computer lab' is all generic PC, although they run Linux.

chaser84
Nov 7, 2007, 07:27 PM
In Canada all through elementry school we used nothing but macs, started on some crappy apple thing then got mac classics. In highschool we switched to PC's. But there was always still one mac lab in the school.

RuiC
Nov 7, 2007, 08:22 PM
they would be better with a flying mac that when stolen could return to the owner (with help of the gps).
it wouldn't need wings, it would use a jet engine engine in the back, using the space that they are reserving for the C4 or plutonium or wharever.
last, but not least, the sticker! it would change color and text from green "i'm happy with my owner" to blinking red "hey, this dude grabed me!"... and then *puff its gone

AidenShaw
Nov 7, 2007, 08:57 PM
Is it?

GPS and remote formatting of HDD has been available in smartphones for years.

OSX copies Windows Mobile again.... ;)



As for the hard HDD erase, I guess that's just a software command the next time the MaBook conects to the 'net??

Most of the smartphone disk erase programs work on the opposite protocol - if it can't connect to the authentication server within some interval it destroys the disk.

I turned my Windows Mobile smartphone (with the corporate security package) off on Thanksgiving weekend when I traveled way out of area.

Turned it on Monday - and it had bricked. Five days without contacting the mothership - self-destruct.

No big deal - re-connected and re-synched and back to normal.

Analog Kid
Nov 7, 2007, 09:10 PM
I vote with the people that say GPS isn't GPS. It would be stupid to try and put GPS into a laptop as a theft prevention device. It's hard enough to get the antenna to co-exist with the noisy hardware, it would be a snap to disable, and you'd need to pull an IP address from somewhere to send the position back to the tracker, so you may as well send back the IP address instead.

i dont see why anyone would rate this as negative. I would imagine that theft of expensive technology from schools is one of the major barriers from purchasing technologies. If this lessens the risk for schools and results in more technologies being implemented than thats most important for our educational system.
I'd guess this is more about protecting the kids than protecting the computers... The laptops can be insured.
Seriously, it *REALLY* depends on where you go to school. Rich areas have nice public / private schools but elsewhere it's hit or miss. There are MANY areas of very poor education quality... It's almost like America is really 10 different countries, as it totally depends on what state you live in.
You must have come from one of the states with better education than mine-- our underpaid teachers taught us that there were 50 states...

Assassin bug
Nov 7, 2007, 10:00 PM
But would the students in Kansas City be allowed to have Darwin installed on their MacBook? ;)

gkarris
Nov 7, 2007, 10:02 PM
I shudder to think what would happen if hackers or students or disgruntled employees broke into their MacBook Anti-Theft system and started erasing the drives during normal use... :eek:

dontwalkhand
Nov 7, 2007, 11:36 PM
ive been thinking that for apple to work its way to the top of the market is to really make an effort to get its computers in schools. even if it means giving them out dirt cheap. because thats how it all starts. kids use them at school all the time. then they get used to it. whenthose kids buy there first computer they buy mac cuz its what they used in school. there really is no better advertisment then getting these computers out there and getting the students to use them

I must admit, this is how I got into Macs...if it wasn't for my school, I probably be on a PC right now ;).

iW00t
Nov 8, 2007, 12:57 AM
ive been thinking that for apple to work its way to the top of the market is to really make an effort to get its computers in schools. even if it means giving them out dirt cheap. because thats how it all starts. kids use them at school all the time. then they get used to it. whenthose kids buy there first computer they buy mac cuz its what they used in school. there really is no better advertisment then getting these computers out there and getting the students to use them

Nope, they buy the computer that runs all the cool latest games and supports the latest graphics cards that all the other dudes in school have.

deadkenny
Nov 8, 2007, 05:44 AM
Wow, stickers. Cutting edge.

Originally Posted by Macrumors
If all else fails, district officials said, they could also use a remote device to destroy the hard drive.

This is a joke, right?

They could use a gun for remote desctruction :)

headfuzz
Nov 8, 2007, 06:26 AM
Awesome. I'd love get hold of one of those. See how the sticker actually sticks and the most important thing...how they plan on blowing up the HDD :D

Ever seen the EMP in Goldeneye? :eek:

:D

anonymous idiot
Nov 8, 2007, 07:32 AM
I actually saw one of these last night!

I work for an education service center in KCK. One of our students is dual-enrolled at one of the high schools. Yesterday was their deployment day and as soon as she picked hers up she brought it by so we could install some software on it.

It was running Leopard. It did have two fairly large stickers. It was pretty locked down (couldn't install anything and couldn't connect to certain websites or to proxy servers). Overall, though, I was pretty impressed! They'd even had a training session to show the student and her parent some basic information like the dock and how to change the energy savings for better battery life.

From what I understand each student in the KC district will get a MacBook (about 5000 total). This is excellent, because if KCK gets it it won't be long before other area schools want them, too. The $6.4 million leases the MacBooks from Apple and parents have to pony up $25 for insurance.

If anyone wants to read more, here's the KC Star article about it:
http://www.kansascity.com/business/technology/story/349949.html

Veri
Nov 8, 2007, 08:13 AM
As any fule kno, every school has a little group of keen hackers. They are usually useful to an enlightened IT dept because they highlight security issues, and their aim is to enable functionality and/or cause mild mischief, not to be malicious. They shy away from no challenge, and their first job will be to find out how to remotely disable a random laptop's hard drive.

But this information just needs to reach one idiot, and congratulations, several hundred destroyed hard drives.

Meanwhile, the savvy thief just replaces the drive.

Kwill
Nov 8, 2007, 09:16 AM
Its probably nothing Jim Phelps dramatic.

As for unremovable stickers, if KC schools are getting 5000 of these things they could get a custom plastic cover with the "sticker" etched or with a clear plastic case and the sticker between the plastic and the metal.

'Your mission, Mr. Phelps, is to do your homework. Attempts to avert this assignment by lying and saying that your MacBook was lost or stolen will will be averted. This message will self destruct in 5 seconds.'

Etched identification can be covered with stickers.:eek:

ruckus
Nov 8, 2007, 09:50 AM
it'll be interesting if sun flares (or something) start triggering the hard drives to erase themselves. Thank goodness for time machine! :P

gwangung
Nov 8, 2007, 10:37 AM
Etched identification can be covered with stickers.:eek:

If you're looking for a missing laptop, wouldn't that sticker warrant a little more investigation?

Mac_Max
Nov 8, 2007, 02:44 PM
http://www.g4tv.com/pile_player.aspx?video_key=7724

Who needs C4, it's all about thermite ;). The fun begins at about 2:30.

John Musbach
Nov 8, 2007, 10:29 PM
http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

Apple has won large contracts for MacBooks in Kansas City (http://www.kansascity.com/business/technology/story/349949.html) and Louisiana (http://www.sulphurdailynews.com/articles/2007/11/07/news/news.txt). The two contracts are valued at $6.4 million and $5 million respectively

It appears Apple has made efforts to provide custom solutions to educators to meet their needs. Kansas City officials describe additional security measures added to the MacBooks, including a way to track lost/stolen MacBooks:


Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/11/07/apple-offers-customized-macbooks-to-school-districts/)

Wow this is pretty intense :eek: , sounds like something businesses would enjoy too...

EagerDragon
Nov 9, 2007, 08:51 AM
http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

Apple has won large contracts for MacBooks in Kansas City (http://www.kansascity.com/business/technology/story/349949.html) and Louisiana (http://www.sulphurdailynews.com/articles/2007/11/07/news/news.txt). The two contracts are valued at $6.4 million and $5 million respectively

It appears Apple has made efforts to provide custom solutions to educators to meet their needs. Kansas City officials describe additional security measures added to the MacBooks, including a way to track lost/stolen MacBooks:


Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/11/07/apple-offers-customized-macbooks-to-school-districts/)

Sounds like excesive security for a term paper speciallly in a high School.
This maybe an experiment for Apple to provide corporations in the near future similar capabilites.