In Every Republican, a Racist

[carbonmotion]

Now that I've been working for a firm on Capital Hill for nearly 8 month now, I've noticed the following. This is far from scientific, mind you, but about 8 out of every 10 Republicans I meet in a non confrontational setting has made some sort of overt racist comment towards me...

[ham_man]

Now that I've been working for a firm on Capital Hill for nearly 8 month now, I've noticed the following. This is far from scientific, mind you, but about 8 out of every 10 Republicans I meet in a non confrontational setting has made some sort of overt racist comment towards me...
Do elaborate.

[adrianblaine]

I'm certainly not a Republican but I'll defend that they shouldn't be generalized like some have done to you.

I've noticed it to be more of a generational issue. Most people I meet under the age of around 30 are not racist at all. Even people that might fall under the "conservative" blanket. It's hard for change to happen when some people are so set in their ways...

Of course in the end I am generalizing as well, only about old people. When all is said and done, no one fits any mold we may make for them.

[Desertrat]

I'm a conservative independent, although at the national level I'm prone to vote Republican over Democrat. State and local, it's a tossup. And I'm 73.

I don't recall a time in my life even in a confrontational situation that I've used any racial epithet against any minority of whatever sort. Simplest put, it's rude and impolite.

But "Ofay", pig latin for "foe", and "honky" do not seem to me to be terms of endearment, and I've heard those more than once...

'Rat

[adrianblaine]

I'm a conservative independent, although at the national level I'm prone to vote Republican over Democrat. State and local, it's a tossup. And I'm 73.

I don't recall a time in my life even in a confrontational situation that I've used any racial epithet against any minority of whatever sort. Simplest put, it's rude and impolite.


Exactly my point. Our brains have a hard time processing the fact that every single person is very different from any other that we have to group people together in order to make some sense of everything. In the real world there are no absolute stereotypes.

[Desertrat]

My view from my own experience is that there is a commonality, though: Most folks just want some package of payday, sundown, some entertainment, some peace and quiet, and feedom from hassle. Anywhere you go, worldwide. So, just nod, smile, be courteous and polite and odds are that life is hassle-free.

I wandered into a bar in Marseilles, about a half-century back this year, come to think of it. Some guy made a crack along the lines of "sales yanqui cochon" and I came back with a grin and, "Yanqui, Hell, I'm from Texas!"

"Ah! Texas! Le cowboy! Indians! John Wayne!" and suchlike. They got me drunker'n Cooter Brown, telling lies about cowboys and indians...

Life's easy, if you let it.

'Rat

[carbonmotion]

I'm a proud second generation Chinese american and I'm by no means a sensitive person. But, I've probably had more overtly racist remarks through at me at one professional gatherings by Right wing agents --ranging from politicians who appear on CSPAN to policy writers-- than at anytime, anywhere in my entire life.

I consider myself to be a fiscal Democrat, so I have friends on both sides of the fence here who are awesome people. But the right wingers that I have to deal with at work are insanely unaware of how racist they sound, which makes me wonder, "did you grow up in a cave?"

This is by no means a scientific poll, but I feel like every other meeting with Republicans involve some racial remark being made. Where as I have not experience that with Democrats. And, usually, I take it with a good dose of humor. Partly because it comes with the job and partly because I'm not easily hurt or offended. But surprised? Yes!

-- = me thinking to myself

"Your English is perfect!"
--Why do you presume that I am an immigrant?

"So, where did you grow up, Chinatown?"
--Where did you grow up, little italy?

"Your people are very good with numbers but not so good with people"
--Hmm...

"More black people were like asians, our country would be a better place..."
--So black people and asians are homogenous groups?

"Are you from Japan or Korea?"
--Neither, or can't you tell from my mid west english

(In response to me stating my beliefs on torture having been influenced by my religious upbringing)
"I respect your people's religious believes (assuming that I was Buddhist), but this is a christian nation..."
--I'm a fourth generation presbyterian, WTF?

"You're luck, your women make great wives."
--American women make great wives?

"I imagine your parents probably worked real hard in their laundromats to pay for your college."
--My dad is a VP of a multi-national corp and my mom is a retired nurse... where do you get laundromat?

"Where did you learn to speak English so well?"
--Right back attcha

"You're a shinning example of what we want all immigrants to be, we should put your face on a poster."

(apparently unaware of my prescence in the room)
"We should import some chinks to do the heavy digging, they work like dogs for next to nothing. Oh! Sorry, we didn't mean you!"

(On Barack Obama)
"But seriously, can you imagine America run by a black president? I mean, we'd probably turn the whole country in to a bunch of thrill seeking unemployed dilettantes."

[Rodimus Prime]

Well if they are a politician then you could look at them like I do. They are less than human. they are scum. I do not care what party they are. Almost all politicians are lieing double talking idiots who only give a damn about their personal power. They do not stay in office for the people. They are there because they want the power. Every president is really there because they like the power. Do not think they are really their for the people. While Bush may suck he seems to be a least a little more upfont about it and is pretty clear he does what he wants.

[Mac OS X Ocelot]

Holy ****, that was all actually said... no. I stop there. That was all actually said?

I have no political affiliation but I grew up in a liberal area with a conservative family and lived for three years in an extremely conservative area and I've never heard anything of any of that nature by anyone I've ever met with any political affiliation. And I'm white, so you'd think people would feel okay saying **** like that in front of me.

[carbonmotion]

Well if they are a politician then you could look at them like I do. They are less than human.

No just politicos, but also strategy writers, think tankers, lawyers, lobbyists, investment bankers, people under 30, harvard and yale grads, asians! They all have one thing in common, they're all Republicans.

I mean, tell me I'm over reacting and these comments are perfectly normal behavior

[carbonmotion]

Holy ****, that was all actually said... no. I stop there. That was all actually said?


A common theme is to compare blacks with asians to illustrate what changes they should make to their culture.

[Rodimus Prime]

No just politicos, but also strategy writers, think tankers, lawyers, lobbyists, investment bankers, people under 30, harvard and yale grads, asians! They all have one thing in common, they're all Republicans.

I mean, tell me I'm over reacting and these comments are perfectly normal behavior

are you sure about the part that they are Republicans or is it just the fact that you clearly are not one that you are just pinning it all on them.

I also might like to add you are reading way way to much into a lot of those comments. Also if you work with them all the time. Take a chance to professionally express you views on how you think it is wrong. As long as it is done calmly most will respect you. More than likely you will get the best results by pretty much by saying that you feel it is wrong but in a way that it not a big deal and very private. Mostly all you need to do is just inform them. The professional ones will shape up and cut down on it.

As for the part about a black president. I would have to say it would be hard to imagen this country ever being run by one. Not because of the racist side but because it is very unlikely one would ever be voted in. Mostly because we have way to many raciest people who would vote for the other guy. Mix that along with our normal vote set up it would easily throw the vote to the normal white everyday president.

[carbonmotion]

As for the part about a black president. I would have to say it would be hard to imagen this country ever being run by one. Not because of the racist side but because it is very unlikely one would ever be voted in. Mostly because we have way to many raciest people who would vote for the other guy. Mix that along with our normal vote set up it would easily throw the vote to the normal white everyday president.
anyone else agree with this guy?

[skunk]

I also might like to add you are reading way way to much into a lot of those comments.Of course. How could anyone possibly mean anything derogatory by saying any of that? Get over yourself. You lot are always complaining. It's just good ol' boys having fun.

:rolleyes:

There's a lot of it about.

[SMM]

anyone else agree with this guy?

Nope, if we can escape this administration and win our Country back. I think in the future, we will pick the right person for the job.

[Agathon]

Tell me something I didn't know. Some of the Libertarians aren't racist, but right wing beliefs tend to coalesce around the goal of some sort of inequality and racial inequality is a popular type.

You know, when the left accuse the right of being fascists, they aren't wrong. It's actually proven by personality tests. There was a thread on this a while back.

After I found this out, I dropped the politeness and now openly refer to them as authoritarians. I don't see any point in not doing so now.

[obeygiant]

You know, when the left accuse the right of being fascists, they aren't wrong. It's actually proven by personality tests.

Of course your right. Just like every liberal is a closet communist. Its been proven by personality tests. :rolleyes:

[Abstract]

I'm a proud second generation Chinese american and I'm by no means a sensitive person. But, I've probably had more overtly racist remarks through at me at one professional gatherings by Right wing agents --ranging from politicians who appear on CSPAN to policy writers-- than at anytime, anywhere in my entire life.

You should come to Australia. Australians are generally more racist. It's not just the politicians. ;)

You'll hate it here. Apparently, every Australian has a bit of "right-wing" in them.

[ucfgrad93]

anyone else agree with this guy?

Nope. I believe this country will someday have a black president, and a female president.

Personally, I wish Colin Powell would run. I think that Barak Obama has a good chance to be president someday.

[solvs]

I wouldn't say all Republicans are racist, but there are a considerable amount of racists who've become conservative. Especially neoconservative. Just as a communist or socialist may tend to vote more Democratic, but that doesn't mean all Dems are either of those, or anywhere close. You seem to have met some of the bad ones.

We've seen worse from some of them though, like Ann Coulter, and it certainly does seem to be tolerated more, especially in the last few years. Which is disturbing. But also part of the reason they are becoming less popular to want to be associated with.

Looking at how some of them treat gays though, it's hard not to see similarities.

[Swarmlord]

anyone else agree with this guy?

No, we could and certainly will eventually have presidents of all races and genders.

On your original point though, I've been there myself and I'm a white, eastern european. I can't tell you the amount of Pollack jokes I've had to endure or comments about how people can't believe I'm Polish because I'm educated. Those types of comments have almost entirely disappeared now, but they were common 40 years ago.

[Desertrat]

carbonmotion, several of the comments you listed are much less racist than they are pure ignorance. The first thing that came to mind, due to your D.C. location, was the deal Sen. Domenici encounterd. A bank withheld some of the interest on a savings account. He asked why. He was told that it was required of those from foreign countries. Folks from New Mexico encounter that sort of ignorance quite regularly.

Playing to the thead drift about the electability of a black candidate: We know that the popular vote, historically, runs about 52/48 or 51/49 and thereabouts. For Obama, then, if the racist folks in the Democratic Party go to the polls, he's quite probably a goner from losing swing states. It's a "balalnce of power" thing. FWIW, I saw and heard more overt racist comments during my year around the UAW in Detroit than in any part of the south, ever.

So I dunno. I'm like a lot of old car racers, I guess. Performance-oriented elitist: If, metaphorically, you go to spinning out and eating walls, I'm not interested in you. If you're running out front in life itsownself, you're probably pretty good folks. I don't care if somebody's purple with orange polka dots, if they're good people and competent at what they do.

carbonmotion, you oughta wander down my way. I guess the worst racism we ever had here was when there was a fire up in Big Bend National Park. We had a bunch of about 40 Apache firefighters come down from New Mexico. A local Gringo, an electronics guy, went along with them to keep the radios working and handle overall communications with the Park staff. They bedded down for the night. He's about half asleep and hears, "Hey! White-eyes! You better sleep light! Apaches are sneaky!" Laughter, followed by snores. That's about as bad as it gets. :D:D:D

'Rat

[carbonmotion]

I've met basically every brand of neoconservative in D.C.. Women, racial minority, ex-gays. It kind of weirds you out to find a minority in these positions and most of the time they are filled to some degree with self loathing. I remember talking to a ex-gay republican who basically told me all gay people should be locked up or some such!

Apparently, he's a ex-gay crusader who goes around the country on high school speaking tours and tells people that he's cured. What a role model. Not. And what kind of public high school would pay to have this guy speak?
That's gotta be the most illegal thing I've heard ever.

[carbonmotion]

carbonmotion, several of the comments you listed are much less racist than they are pure ignorance. The first thing that came to mind, due to your D.C. location, was the deal Sen. Domenici encounterd. A bank withheld some of the interest on a savings account. He asked why. He was told that it was required of those from foreign countries. Folks from New Mexico encounter that sort of ignorance quite regularly.

'Rat

Well yes, I understand that most of it is due to a lack of understanding. But, really, I'd shrug it off much easier if some of those things weren't said by elected officials and people who're well educated. What that tells me is that they know better, but they don't care enough to act better.

Additionally, for white people to say these things shows a lack of forethought. It's ok to make racial jokes with your colored blokes at the pub, but in a professional atmosphere with people that you don't know... it's sure to offend. Lets take this example.

"Wow, your english is very good. How long have you been in America?"
This question is based on the principle that the normative in the United States is White. If you're not white, you're a foreigner. Despite the fact that you speak english like everyone else, you talk about playing high school football, and you don't act like a foreigner . Anyone with any brain would know that the person is probably American. To complement them on their english is condescending and to ask how long they've been in the states, extremely insulting. It's tantamount to saying, wow you don't fit in here because everyone else is white and you're not.

Also a lot of the arguments are congratulatory in the form of comparing the Asian Community with the Black Community. It's basically supporting the social construct that Asians are the model minority and Blacks & Hispanics should follow them. I've worked for four years with poor Asian communities organizing and I can tell with certainty that the model model minority perception is both racist and mythical and it hurts everyone involved.

Also the argument that "If I were a colored person, I wouldn't be offended" or "I haven't experience/ witnessed any racism" or "My colored friends say its ok to say these things." doesn't mean its ok or the problem doesn't exist. It means you're unaware of any problems which is very different from there being no problems what so ever. Overt racism isn't racist in the form of KKK or Neo nazis, it's a general ideology that the normative narrative for America is white privilege and the inability to accept minorities as part of that narrative. For example, Jews, who've been so successful and even look like everyone else, are still racialized to be old world stereotypes. The inability for the majority whites to completely accept Jews as part of the american narrative shows that there is something seriously wrong with that narrative that doesn't let it live up to its promise; that of a racially pluralistic America.

[Rodimus Prime]

Playing to the thead drift about the electability of a black candidate: We know that the popular vote, historically, runs about 52/48 or 51/49 and thereabouts. For Obama, then, if the racist folks in the Democratic Party go to the polls, he's quite probably a goner from losing swing states. It's a "balalnce of power" thing. FWIW, I saw and heard more overt racist comments during my year around the UAW in Detroit than in any part of the south, ever.



That is more along the lines I meant. While it will happen one day. I just find it hard to believe it will happen in my life time. If you look over our presidents they all have very common very American names and all are white males. While times are change the fact people vote heavily based on feelings lets face the facts right now the people tend to vote for the most american sounding name. Also it because look at how few minority we have in congress is why I made that statement originally.


Also like I said some of them is you taking the comment the wrong way. Some common slang terms I have a feeling you would take the wrong way in the hot rod world is the term Ricer. It now no longer really meant as the originally slightly racist it used to mean. Now when some one calls some one a ricer or there car a ricer, it is an insult meaning that there car is all show and no go. I heard and read the term used in magazines and across all races refering to both American and non american cars

[mactastic]

I'm a conservative independent, although at the national level I'm prone to vote Republican over Democrat. State and local, it's a tossup. And I'm 73.

I don't recall a time in my life even in a confrontational situation that I've used any racial epithet against any minority of whatever sort. Simplest put, it's rude and impolite.

But "Ofay", pig latin for "foe", and "honky" do not seem to me to be terms of endearment, and I've heard those more than once...

'Rat
Says the man who has used the term "wetback" in debate in this very forum (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=716466&postcount=4)...

[tobefirst]

I love the irony in the post title. (:

[skunk]

carbonmotion, several of the comments you listed are much less racist than they are pure ignorance.They are the words of an ignorant racist.

[carbonmotion]

I heard and read the term used in magazines and across all races refering to both American and non american cars

Well no. I used to own a supercharged Honda S2000. I was for a time a proud rice burner. Currently, I drive a Mercedes Benz mountain bike (reducing carbon footprint). The term ricer doesn't anymore, I guess. In anycase, the term ricer is harmless.

Saying black people should be more like asians
Questioning my Americaness because of my facial features, despite evidence pointing to otherwise
Racializing the women of my "race" to be docile and great wife material...

That's racist because it's harmful to the group narrative of America

[mactastic]

I wonder which way Duane "The Dog" Chapman (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21689604/)votes...

[saltyzoo]

Yes, every republican is a racist and every democrat loves everyone of every race, color, and creed. It's a fact.

[thechidz]

hows this for a provocative statement:

Im sorry, but everyone in the world is a racist....


and yes I do believe this:(

[leekohler]

Yes, every republican is a racist and every democrat loves everyone of every race, color, and creed. It's a fact.

The OP works with these people in DC. That's about as "real world" as you can get, isn't it? And since you keep telling people to live in the "real world" in other threads, I would think you could appreciate this one. On the other hand, if you have no problem with the comments made to him, that's your business.

[obeygiant]

hows this for a provocative statement:

Im sorry, but everyone in the world is a racist....


and yes I do believe this:(

Actually everyone in the world is probably prejudiced in some way or another. Doesn't Racism mean that someone is prejudiced enough to go out and do something about how they feel? I don't think everyone would go out and commit acts of violence on others.

[thechidz]

Actually everyone in the world is probably prejudiced in some way or another. Doesn't Racism mean that someone is prejudiced enough to go out and do something about how they feel? I don't think everyone would go out and commit acts of violence on others.

I guess it depends. My point being that people are people, and now matter how much we talk about equality, it will never exist in humanity. Would you take from your son or daughter to give to a stranger to try to be equal? It doesn't exist. When people try to be equal, it really just means they want more.

[mactastic]

Yes, every republican is a racist and every democrat loves everyone of every race, color, and creed. It's a fact.
Of course it's ridiculous to assert that every Republican is racist, but the fact of the matter is that many white supremacy groups are drawn to the nativist rhetoric of certain parts of the GOP.

Are there racist Democrats? Sure. Plenty of them, in fact.

[carbonmotion]

I guess it depends. My point being that people are people, and now matter how much we talk about equality, it will never exist in humanity. Would you take from your son or daughter to give to a stranger to try to be equal? It doesn't exist. When people try to be equal, it really just means they want more.

There are a few flawed assumptions in your view...

1. Just because something is not the case now and has never been the case does not mean that it will never be the case.

2. Complete equality on all factors is not the same thing as racial equality in that the former has more (and different) requirements than the latter.

3. The topic here is not about special relationship such as family, but between races. The question is therefore, should whites be required to treat whites and minority similarly?

[carbonmotion]

Actually everyone in the world is probably prejudiced in some way or another. Doesn't Racism mean that someone is prejudiced enough to go out and do something about how they feel? I don't think everyone would go out and commit acts of violence on others.

For me racism is holding incorrect and racialized assumptions about other races. (e.g. all asians make good engineers. all blacks know how to break in to cars. all central asians are terrorists. etc)

[carbonmotion]

hows this for a provocative statement:

Im sorry, but everyone in the world is a racist....


and yes I do believe this:(

That's simply false

[skunk]

Actually everyone in the world is probably prejudiced in some way or another. Doesn't Racism mean that someone is prejudiced enough to go out and do something about how they feel? I don't think everyone would go out and commit acts of violence on others.No, that is not what it means at all. Racism is the mindset which allows or encourages you to classify people differently - and detrimentally - according to their perceived ethnicity. You don't have to go and beat the crap out of someone to be a racist.

[thechidz]

There are a few flawed assumptions in your view...

1. Just because something is not the case now and has never been the case does not mean that it will never be the case.

2. Complete equality on all factors is not the same thing as racial equality in that the former has more (and different) requirements than the latter.

3. The topic here is not about special relationship such as family, but between races. The question is therefore, should whites be required to treat whites and minority similarly?


If thats the case than I am sorry once again. I live in New York City and the most racist people I have EVER come across have been asians, followed by african americans. You are fighting a losing battle here with this one I'm afraid.

Mind you, I am not saying I think asian people are bad people. My GF is asian and she readily admits to her racism. We've had many a long conversation about korean culture and the racist and sexist systems that have always been in place there...

It is sad, but true...

I no longer am an optimist...:(

[obeygiant]

For me racism is holding incorrect and racialized assumptions about other races. (e.g. all asians make good engineers. all blacks know how to break in to cars. all central asians are terrorists. etc)

Well Racist is defined as:

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Prejudice

1. an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.
2. any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.
3. unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, esp. of a hostile nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group.
4. such attitudes considered collectively: The war against prejudice is never-ending.
5. damage or injury; detriment: a law that operated to the prejudice of the majority.
–verb (used with object)
6. to affect with a prejudice, either favorable or unfavorable: His honesty and sincerity prejudiced us in his favor.
—Idiom

[skunk]

If thats the case than I am sorry once again. I live in New York City and the most racist people I have EVER come across have been asians, followed by african americans.It may in your experience be true, or it may be that you only notice this kind of racism. In either case it is wholly irrelevant to the OP's question.

[skunk]

Well Racist is defined as:
PrejudiceWe are discussing Racism, not Prejudice, and you provide no links.

[saltyzoo]

It may in your experience be true, or it may be that you only notice this kind of racism. In either case it is wholly irrelevant to the OP's question.

I don't think it's irrelevant, because it shows that your statement can be applied to the OP as well.

[thechidz]

It may in your experience be true, or it may be that you only notice this kind of racism. In either case it is wholly irrelevant to the OP's question.


The OP didnt really ask a question, he/she made a statement, and most likely a true one at that.

I am just elaborating on the point by saying there is no way out of this, other than some kind of miracle that people actually wake up from perception, which has been radically distorted since the dawn of man...

[skunk]

I don't think it's irrelevant, because it shows that your statement can be applied to the OP as well.Whether or not the OP has his own set of prejudices is irrelevant to his question relating to the entrenched attitudes he has illustrated encountered in his daily life. It sounds to me as if the racist attitudes demonstrated by his quotes are both widespread and regarded by some apologists here and elsewhere as acceptable if slightly unfortunate. He should just move on, apparently. I disagree. I feel his concerns should be addressed.

[thebassoonist]

"Wow, your english is very good. How long have you been in America?"
This question is based on the principle that the normative in the United States is White. If you're not white, you're a foreigner. Despite the fact that you speak english like everyone else, you talk about playing high school football, and you don't act like a foreigner . Anyone with any brain would know that the person is probably American. To complement them on their english is condescending and to ask how long they've been in the states, extremely insulting. It's tantamount to saying, wow you don't fit in here because everyone else is white and you're not.

Also a lot of the arguments are congratulatory in the form of comparing the Asian Community with the Black Community. It's basically supporting the social construct that Asians are the model minority and Blacks & Hispanics should follow them. I've worked for four years with poor Asian communities organizing and I can tell with certainty that the model model minority perception is both racist and mythical and it hurts everyone involved.

Well said! I'm white, but I am taking a couple of Ethnic Studies classes this semester and I find those quotations of people incredible - why on Earth would anyone say that? Frankly, people in the dominant society are blind to these experiences because we NEVER experience them - well, perhaps outside of the US we might.

More about the model minority bit is that for some reason (post-WWII - as China was an ally - and recent immigration from China and other Asian countries) you culture is more "acceptable" to the dominant society. I think one of the main reasons is something like 11% of Asian-Americans (sorry to clump the Chinese, Japanese, Korean, and others together!) are impoverished. The percentage for African-Americans is much higher. In poverty, a different family structure may happen. It's not matriarchy (that implies that women have power) but rather the feminization of poverty. I'm sure we have all heard the debates on Welfare and many of us know about Moynihan, but clearly, this doesn't work with the patriarchy of the dominant society... of which Republicans particularly subscribe, too, and not only subscribe but defend to the point of them looking like completely miscogenistic, backwards, KKK-like men.

*Woo*. That's all I've got to say, but thanks for writing up those quotes... they were shocking!

EDIT: to make this point clear, more African-Americans are impoverished opposed to Asian-Americans. Republicans HATE those who receive Welfare, so we can see why they dislike African-Americans more. Generally... this is a general statement, of course.

[saltyzoo]

Whether or not the OP has his own set of prejudices is irrelevant to his question relating to the entrenched attitudes he has illustrated encountered in his daily life. It sounds to me as if the racist attitudes demonstrated by his quotes are both widespread and regarded by some apologists here and elsewhere as acceptable if slightly unfortunate. He should just move on, apparently. I disagree. I feel his concerns should be addressed.

I don't dismiss them at all. I do however, have a sneaky feeling that they are just as slightly over-exaggerated as is his thread title. But I'm sure that makes me a racist. (I'm not a republican though, so that's problematic)

Well said! I'm white, but I am taking a couple of Ethnic Studies classes this semester and I find those quotations of people incredible - why on Earth would anyone say that?

I'm finding them incredible too.

1 incredible, unbelievable
beyond belief or understanding; "at incredible speed"; "the book's plot is simply incredible"

I'm certain there are plenty of racists in Washington. I'm also certain that they wouldn't be there for long (nor should they) if the OP had any actually proof of said quotes. It's sad and interesting that nobody even questions that the OP might exaggerate or take things out of context, but there's no problem accepting the premise of the thread.

[carbonmotion]

Well Racist is defined as:



Prejudice

it fits, no?

[skunk]

I don't dismiss them at all. I do however, have a sneaky feeling that they are just as slightly over-exaggerated as is his thread title. But I'm sure that makes me a racist. (I'm not a republican though, so that's problematic)

I'm finding them incredible too.

1 incredible, unbelievable
beyond belief or understanding; "at incredible speed"; "the book's plot is simply incredible"You are dismissing them, in this very post, and by doing so you are indeed establishing your tendency to racism. Well done.

[skunk]

I'm certain there are plenty of racists in Washington. I'm also certain that they wouldn't be there for long (nor should they) if the OP had any actually proof of said quotes. It's sad and interesting that nobody even questions that the OP might exaggerate or take things out of context, but there's no problem accepting the premise of the thread.You really should stop digging.

[saltyzoo]

it fits, no?

Your thread title is prejudiced. Are you a racist?

[saltyzoo]

You are dismissing them, in this very post, and by doing so you are indeed establishing your tendency to racism. Well done.

Of course, because I don't believe every claim of a random person on the internet is 100% accurate I have proved myself to be a racist. Right.

You don't even know what race I am. Nice prejudice on your part as well.


I don't dismiss racist events. But I also don't believe everything I read on the internet. :rolleyes:

[skunk]

You don't even know what race I am. Nice prejudice on your part as well.I don't care what race you are.

[Queso]

Your thread title is prejudiced. Are you a racist?
Racist against who? People from Republica? :p

[mactastic]

I don't care what race you are. I believe that makes you racist against those who have no race...

[skunk]

I cannot deny it.

[carbonmotion]

I don't dismiss them at all. I do however, have a sneaky feeling that they are just as slightly over-exaggerated as is his thread title. But I'm sure that makes me a racist. (I'm not a republican though, so that's problematic)

I'm certain there are plenty of racists in Washington. I'm also certain that they wouldn't be there for long (nor should they) if the OP had any actually proof of said quotes. It's sad and interesting that nobody even questions that the OP might exaggerate or take things out of context, but there's no problem accepting the premise of the thread.

challenging my credibility won't make the fact of matter go away. whether or not what I say is believed by you is irrelevant to the fact that in the real world these events are common.

are you questioning my authenticity as a poster or are you questioning the viability of those aforementioned words as racist words?

because if its the former, then its unlikely that you'll get a definitive answer, i would surely be in trouble with my employers if found out. if its the latter, then i suggest you open your mind to listen to what someone who's not white experiences in the us. trying to see a perspective from someone else's shoes is an important quality to being a responsible citizen of a democracy.

furthermore, i made it clear that it is not only white people who are making these comments, but rather a plethora of people from the republican party. is there something inherent in the republican ideology that tends to either draw individuals who believe in the views of white america? i don't know, but i think i'd be interesting to research the topic.

[saltyzoo]

challenging my credibility won't make the fact of matter go away. whether or not what I say is believed by you is irrelevant to the fact that in the real world these events are common.

are you questioning my authenticity as a poster or are you questioning the viability of those aforementioned words as racist words?

because if its the former, then its unlikely that you'll get a definitive answer, i would surely be in trouble with my employers if found out. if its the latter, then i suggest you open your mind to listen to what someone who's not white experiences in the us. trying to see a perspective from someone else's shoes is an important quality to being a responsible citizen of a democracy.

Most of what you quoted is clearly racist. And you should be dealing with it more appropriately than just posting them here if you have any proof of such.

However, I do believe that it's highly likely that you have exaggerated reality and I have no way of knowing how much. You very well have made them all up completely. But your thread title certainly suggests you don't mind exaggerating when it meets your goal - doesn't mean it's true, but it suggests that.

Again, if this is happening so often, then getting proof should be simple and you should do so and stop it. Most of what you described is clearly wrong, although a couple could have been misinterpretations of meaning / you hearing what you expect rather than what was said. Some of your quotes are too obviously wrong that the previous statement does not apply to them.

challenging my credibility won't make the fact of matter go away.
Posting in the internet won't make the fact of the matter go away either. Nor will making completely unsubstantiated claims about an entire political party. I'm not even a Republican so you aren't offending me, but it's so ironic that you generalize and prejudice so deeply in a thread about generalization and prejudice. No, irony isn't the right word. It's just wrong.

How can you have such passion about a wrong, while you commit the same wrong when talking about it?

"Are you from Japan or Korea?"
In every republican, a racist

There is no difference between these statements at all. Both are ignorant and prejudice in the same way. Actually, I'm wrong. The first, *might* actually have been an attempt to know and understand you better out of actually caring about you as a person. Ignorant, perhaps, but it very well could have been a GOOD thing. It depends on the context.

[carbonmotion]

Most of what you quoted is clearly racist. And you should be dealing with it more appropriately than just posting them here if you have any proof of such.

However, I do believe that it's highly likely that you have exaggerated reality and I have no way of knowing how much. You very well have made them all up completely. But your thread title certainly suggests you don't mind exaggerating when it meets your goal - doesn't mean it's true, but it suggests that.

Again, if this is happening so often, then getting proof should be simple and you should do so and stop it. Most of what you described is clearly wrong, although a couple could have been misinterpretations of meaning / you hearing what you expect rather than what was said. Some of your quotes are too obviously wrong that the previous statement does not apply to them.

indeed, when your job involves convincing other people to give you money or vote a certain way, its not a good idea to tell them that their racist.

in any case, if you doubt the authenticity of this thread, you're more than welcome to continue doubting as it ultimately it makes no difference

on the other hand, you could contribute to the discussion on the racial discourse in america and learn something while helping everyone else on the thread learn something

[saltyzoo]

indeed, when your job involves convincing other people to give you money or vote a certain way, its not a good idea to tell them that their racist.

in any case, if you doubt the authenticity of this thread, you're more than welcome to continue doubting as it ultimately it makes no difference

on the other hand, you could contribute to the discussion on the racial discourse in america and learn something while helping everyone else on the thread learn something

It's happening to you. You can stop it. We can't. We can cry for you, but that's it. Do something about it. You don't have to confront them. Some of your quotes rise to the point where confrontation is not the appropriate response.

But I really don't have much interest in joining the "discussion on racial discourse" with people that don't see their own prejudice, and have no other point but to talk about a "wrong" premise in the first place.

[carbonmotion]

There is no difference between these statements at all. Both are ignorant and prejudice in the same way. Actually, I'm wrong. The first, *might* actually have been an attempt to know and understand you better out of actually caring about you as a person. Ignorant, perhaps, but it very well could have been a GOOD thing. It depends on the context.

clearly the title is mean to be provocative. it doesn't mean every republican ever in existence is racist. i do believe the title is suppose to be a playful reference of former republic president hoover's 1928 campaign slogan. i hope that wasn't lost on you, i thought it was rather clever myself. but to answer your question, no, you're not suppose to read it literally.

[carbonmotion]

But I really don't have much interest in joining the "discussion on racial discourse" with people that don't see their own prejudice, and have no other point but to talk about a "wrong" premise in the first place.

well if you don't have much interest you're more than welcomed to continue to be disinterested. i do believe these forums hold no prisoner, unless you're really that captivated by my thread.

[it5five]

...with people that don't see their own prejudice, and have no other point but to talk about a "wrong" premise in the first place.

Is everyone on these forums wrong, with the exception of you? You seem to bring that up in almost every thread you have post in.

[carbonmotion]

If thats the case than I am sorry once again. I live in New York City and the most racist people I have EVER come across have been asians, followed by african americans. You are fighting a losing battle here with this one I'm afraid.

Mind you, I am not saying I think asian people are bad people. My GF is asian and she readily admits to her racism. We've had many a long conversation about korean culture and the racist and sexist systems that have always been in place there...

It is sad, but true...

I no longer am an optimist...:(

This is true, some asians communities are pretty racist, i'm not sure about being the most racist or more racist than others, though. Part of it is what you've said about the existence of xenophobia in some cultures, but another part of it is inherited from majority culture. I think that it's hopeless too sometimes, but then it's better to hope then to have no hope. Right?

Besides, nobody thought Jim Crowe was going away in the 40ties, but by coming together as a nation, we made it go away. I think we can expel racism from our cultural heritage, but it'll take some time and group effort.

[saltyzoo]

clearly the title is mean to be provocative. it doesn't mean every republican ever in existence is racist. i do believe the title is suppose to be a playful reference of former republic president hoover's 1928 campaign slogan. i hope that wasn't lost on you, i thought it was rather clever myself. but to answer your question, no, you're not suppose to read it literally.

You've made a couple more statements in this thread along the lines of "what leads racists to the GOP" .... I suppose you didn't mean that literally either? Well, it doesn't make it any less wrong than some of your quotes. If you want to have a dialog that includes more than democrats (hmm, I'm just realizing, that's exactly not what is wanted in this forum by most of the posters) that's not the way to do it.

Is everyone on these forums wrong, with the exception of you? You seem to bring that up in almost every thread you have post in.

Please point me out to the posts where you've said anything about me other than saying I'm wrong?

[mactastic]

(hmm, I'm just realizing, that's exactly not what is wanted in this forum by most of the posters)
I guess the problematic thing for you is that I'm not a Democrat.

[it5five]

Please point me out to the posts where you've said anything about me other than saying I'm wrong?

Chavez thread.

I, and others, had posted evidence and reasoning about the situation. You said things like "LOL wow", and told us we were ignorant and close-minded.

[carbonmotion]

You've made a couple more statements in this thread along the lines of "what leads racists to the GOP"
Show me where I've said that

[Thomas Veil]

Like thebassoonist, I'm incredulous that people can be stupid enough to make the kinds of comments carbonmotion quoted. It's amazing to me that, in this day and age, we have people in high places who talk and think like Archie Bunker.

Tell me, though, carbonmotion -- while I believe what you say about Republicans, have you ever heard those kinds of things from Democrats?

[None Such]

Now that I've been working for the state's sex offender rehabilitation program for nearly 8 month now, I've noticed the following. This is far from scientific, mind you, but about 8 out of every 10 rapists I meet in a non confrontational setting is a Democrat.

[obeygiant]

Now that I've been working for the state's sex offender rehabilitation program for nearly 8 month now, I've noticed the following. This is far from scientific, mind you, but about 8 out of every 10 rapists I meet in a non confrontational setting is a Democrat.

Wow. Thats strange, ironic, and sad all at the same time. Some Dem names are coming to mind but I won't say who.

[Ugg]

Now that I've been working for the state's sex offender rehabilitation program for nearly 8 month now, I've noticed the following. This is far from scientific, mind you, but about 8 out of every 10 rapists I meet in a non confrontational setting is a Democrat.

Hmmm, do they have to declare their political affiliation to take part in the program? Seems rather odd that you would know this information, or does it simply come up in casual conversation?

[carbonmotion]

Like thebassoonist, I'm incredulous that people can be stupid enough to make the kinds of comments carbonmotion quoted. It's amazing to me that, in this day and age, we have people in high places who talk and think like Archie Bunker.
Don't misinterpret that to mean all those comments came from senior republican senators. What I said was in my interactions with a variety of republican a professional setting, these are a collection of comments that I have heard.

Tell me, though, carbonmotion -- while I believe what you say about Republicans, have you ever heard those kinds of things from Democrats?

Yes, some... fewer

[None Such]

Hmmm, do they have to declare their political affiliation to take part in the program? Seems rather odd that you would know this information, or does it simply come up in casual conversation?

They ask about their voting rights and then it just comes up as a continuation of the conversation.

[solvs]

are you questioning my authenticity as a poster or are you questioning the viability of those aforementioned words as racist words?
It's obvious that none of this ever happened. As a matter of fact, you probably don't even exist at all. Unless you can prove it, I'm going to assume you're just a figment of my imagination. My imagination, which is apparently racist. Like the rest of you. You're all racists. Bastards.

i hope that wasn't lost on you
Clearly it was. The irony being that some didn't seem to get your irony while pointing out the irony of you not realizing you were being ironic. Ironic.

[carbonmotion]

It's obvious that none of this ever happened. As a matter of fact, you probably don't even exist at all. Unless you can prove it, I'm going to assume you're just a figment of my imagination. My imagination, which is apparently racist. Like the rest of you. You're all racists. Bastards.


Clearly it was. The irony being that some didn't seem to get your irony while pointing out the irony of you not realizing you were being ironic. Ironic.

ironic

[Mac OS X Ocelot]

ironic

No, you're an iron, iron.

[SMM]

When this thread was first posted, I was pretty sure it would gather a great deal of visceral responses, so I have not been disappointed. It has been a tough thread to jump into, as the posts seem to jump around. So, this post is addressing the original question.

No, not all republicans are racists. At least any more than any other cross-section of society. There are some exceptions, which I shall note.

Authoritarians are almost always racists. Altemeyer discusses this in great detail in his writings. Authoritarians are always conservatives. Conservatives are almost always republicans. There may be a tendency to associate republicans with racists, but the fact is, not all republicans, or conservatives, are authoritarians.

I have travelled extensively in my life. I have seen racism in many places and forms. Even in England, I heard several times that the adjoining region was 'odd', primarily due to in-breeding. It just seems like we look for the differences in each other, to find excuses for dislike, or ill-treatment.

Most racists I encounter, do not know any of the people they profess to dislike. They have no relationships to base their prejudices on. Yet, oddly enough, when they are put in a situation where they must interact, the racism disappears. They find a common ground and sometimes become friends.

I guess for me, looking for the good in others, is far more beneficial than fearing them.

[Desertrat]

From skunk's Post #28: "They are the words of an ignorant racist."

I disagree. For instance, carbonmotion mentioned the comment to him about his use of English and wonderment at how long he'd been in the U.S. That's ignorance, just like my example of folks who think New Mexico is a foreign country. We live in a country where high school students can't name adjacent counties, so I'm not surprised there are people who automatically assume an Asian is a tourist or immigrant. I dunno; some of it might derive from the publicity about Asian immigrants' track records in our schools; some of it might come from the publicity about the Vietnames who've come here since 1975.

But his point was that such a comment from an educated person shows a serious lack of thought about people in general. And some of his list shows that some folks suffer from serious terminal dumbutt.

SMM's comments seem more explanatory than "Republicans..." in that those in Washington are more "into" the power game than Republicans in the general public.

Since mactastic interjected a jab at me, personally, I'll leave it with this: The term wetback is limited to illegals who come across the Rio Grande into Texas. (If somebody enters across the borders of New Mexico, Arizona or California, it is physically impossible for them to be wetbacks.) It is an identifier and not a pejorative. The term is used by citizens of all ethnicities.

Teasing: carbonmotion, is it true that "Gaijin" = "Big Nose" = "Foreigner"? Anyhow, if you're ever down this way you'll find that folks look at behavior and heart and not much else. Clues available at http://www.bigbendgazette.com

'Rat

[skunk]

From skunk's Post #28: "They are the words of an ignorant racist."I retract the serious content of my response, leaving only the irony. :cool:

[Genghis Khan]

I think it's more a symptom of capital hill rather than republicans (although it may be more accentuated in republicans IDK)

[carbonmotion]

Teasing: carbonmotion, is it true that "Gaijin" = "Big Nose" = "Foreigner"? Anyhow, if you're ever down this way you'll find that folks look at behavior and heart and not much else. Clues available at http://www.bigbendgazette.com

'Rat

i do like the way people out west in the open country aren't obsessed with race like in the cities.

[obeygiant]

Teasing: carbonmotion, is it true that "Gaijin" = "Big Nose" = "Foreigner"? Anyhow, if you're ever down this way you'll find that folks look at behavior and heart and not much else. Clues available at http://www.bigbendgazette.com

'Rat

Rat, this is the first time I've heard gaijin translated that way. AFAIK gaijin is an abbreviation of "gaikokujin", so the literal meaning is rather "a person from a country other than your own". Big nose? I'm not sure.

[Desertrat]

I don't know, either. Clavell novel, IIRC...Who knows? Maybe slang.

FWIW, of countries I've been in, people in France and Costa Rica seemed to show the least racism. I'm not saying that others have heaps, gobs and bunches, but there I saw/heard some evidentiary commentary in the Philippines, Korea, Japan and Hong Kong. Some in England and Germany. Some but not much in Mexico.

This is all "seat of the pants" opinion from what I saw, of course.

Just my opinion, but there is much less racism now in the U.S. compared to fifty years back. Too many minority folks have proven the foolishness of race-based denigration for the KKK/Nazi-crowd to have credibility. Trouble is, there's always some loser who will hunt for any opportunity to blame others for his own failures...

'rat

[Agathon]

Of course your right. Just like every liberal is a closet communist. Its been proven by personality tests. :rolleyes:

Except it hasn't.

And another thing that is commonplace among right wing authoritarians is outright denial of well established scientific facts.

Looks like we're got a winner twice in this thread already.

[saltyzoo]

You've made a couple more statements in this thread along the lines of "what leads racists to the GOP"Show me where I've said that




furthermore, i made it clear that it is not only white people who are making these comments, but rather a plethora of people from the republican party. is there something inherent in the republican ideology that tends to either draw individuals who believe in the views of white america? i don't know, but i think i'd be interesting to research the topic.

I can't imagine what you mean by "white america". Duh. I guess you really didn't mean racist huh? I guess you meant, really nice white folks that love people of all colors and treat them as equals. Yeah. I'm sure that's it.

Thanks for confirming my belief that honest discussion is not the goal here.

[solvs]

Thanks for confirming my belief that honest discussion is not the goal here.

Are you judging an entire group based on the actions of a few? Sounds like racism to me. On a serious note though, this is not the first time you've mentioned this. If you have such a problem with it, and you feel anyone is breaking the rules here, you have the option of reporting them, responding to them with a counter argument, or not subjecting yourself to it. So far, we've rarely seen a coherent counter argument from you, so pardon my skepticism that you're here for such.

[obeygiant]

Except it hasn't.

And another thing that is commonplace among right wing authoritarians is outright denial of well established scientific facts.

Looks like we're got a winner twice in this thread already.
Hmmm, does that mean I'm a winner? A winner as in Racist?

[Cleverboy]

No, that is not what it means at all. Racism is the mindset which allows or encourages you to classify people differently - and detrimentally - according to their perceived ethnicity. You don't have to go and beat the crap out of someone to be a racist. True. If this thread is any example, it clear many people don't even recognize that they don't know what racism is (regardless of whether you think there is a racist in "every Republican", which I do not, simply for the fact that not every Republican has the same skin color). That said, very nice post with the examples of things people say. More interesting to see others equate some of the statements with otherwise innocuous naivete.

While its easy to read some statements as pure "ignorance", when you stop to realize that at root, is the fact that this person feels demonstrably superior/priviledged towards people of a different color and would use that judgement as a subtle (or not so subtle) means of demeaning the other person's esteem, or elevating their own... it becomes crystal clear. I remember one story a friend told me, where a friend of his said he had a black guy working for him, and he felt bad because he couldn't promote him... and the guy really deserved to be promoted (hard worker, integrity, etc). My friend went on to tell me, that his friend thought the guy deserved it, but if he promoted him, he feared for his family, because the community was apparently racist (but not him, oh no...) I told my friend that that sounded like a load garbage. When you think about the amount of spineless "reasonable" people in this world throughout history, its no surprise that racism by consensus, if not conviction, is holding back our collective progress and generating self-fulfilling prophesies left and right.

For the record, Barrack Obama had a white mother and a black father. This is one of the things some racists point out when they see Tiger Woods doing so well. It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic, that people are so color sensitive that regardless of someone's actual background they will choose to accept or not accept them, even when biology can't quite make as strong a case as appearance.

Everyone should take a moment and either go to the library and borrow it, or buy the book or audiobook of Obama's "The Audacity of Hope". Read it, think about it. The man has a good head on his shoulders.

Amazon
http://www.amazon.com/Audacity-Hope-Thoughts-Reclaiming-American/dp/0307237699
iTunes
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?id=196777797&s=143441

~ CB

[Desertrat]

"this person feels demonstrably superior/priviledged towards people of a different color and would use that judgement as a subtle (or not so subtle) means of demeaning the other person's esteem, or elevating their own"

Yeah, may be. Seems like just another way to say what's been said.

Awful lot of nit-picking on the issue, though. Lots of folks are prejudiced agains certain cultures or sub-cultures, and thereby get accused of prejudice against the ethnic group of that particular culture.

'Rat

[skunk]

Lots of folks are prejudiced agains certain cultures or sub-cultures, and thereby get accused of prejudice against the ethnic group of that particular culture.Yeah, may be. Seems like just another way to say what's been said. There are many ways to finesse prejudice.

[saltyzoo]

Are you judging an entire group based on the actions of a few? Sounds like racism to me. On a serious note though, this is not the first time you've mentioned this. If you have such a problem with it, and you feel anyone is breaking the rules here, you have the option of reporting them, responding to them with a counter argument, or not subjecting yourself to it. So far, we've rarely seen a coherent counter argument from you, so pardon my skepticism that you're here for such.

No, it's not my lack of "coherent counter argument". The ones I complain about rarely have been honest in their responses. Instead of having an honest discussion you charge me with accusing "an entire group based on the actions of a few" knowing full well that's not what I've done. You charge me with racism. Etc, etc. If you were honest you go see how many responses to me are just calling me names and making fun. There is very little actual "coherent counter argument" to anything I've said. Well, except for the lies.

There is no "coherent counter argument" to this game you are playing. You aren't discussing the topic at all. You simply belittle and berate anyone that disagrees with you until they give up.

Sadly, you and your ilk think that means you are right.

But it doesn't. People like me go away not because we are wrong, but because we aren't stupid and we understand that there is no true discussion. Only a bunch of people using subterfuge and semi-poor debate skills to beat people into submission.

The thread starter claims to want to discuss the situation. But stating false premise questions like he has regarding why racists gravitate to the republican party does not create discussion any more than someone asking whether or not you are from Korea and is just as prejudiced - or more perhaps.

It's just sad that so many of you would rather play this game than actually be open minded.

Enjoy your game.

[solvs]

Instead of having an honest discussion you charge me with accusing "an entire group based on the actions of a few" knowing full well that's not what I've done. You charge me with racism. Etc, etc.
Ok, I was kidding about the racist part. As per the, "on a serious note though". Playing the victim though just comes off a disingenuous, We can be rough here, as I said, if you have a response, post it. If you feel someone has personally insulted you, report them. If you'd like to have a serious discussion, saying things like "thanks for confirming my belief that honest discussion is not the goal here" and posts that consist of nothing but "lol wow" don't help your case as much as a post with actual substance debating the comment you're responding to. Not saying you always have to do that, or even be serious, we certainly aren't, but if you have a problem with something, disputing it with nothing to back or your argument, or even an argument at all, just complaining about how no one here is making a good argument, while not actually making one yourself, just gets us nowhere.

What was your point anyway?

[obeygiant]

Ok, I was kidding about the racist part.

Saltyzoo, thats as close as you're going to get to an apology while it is a little stange to kid someone about being a racist. Now maybe agathon will try it or at least stop calling people names.

People throw out the term racist very easily and quickly. That really shouldn't be the case

[mactastic]

Since mactastic interjected a jab at me, personally, I'll leave it with this: The term wetback is limited to illegals who come across the Rio Grande into Texas. (If somebody enters across the borders of New Mexico, Arizona or California, it is physically impossible for them to be wetbacks.) It is an identifier and not a pejorative. The term is used by citizens of all ethnicities.
The term "******" is used as an identifier too, by some. People who aren't black, well it is physically impossible for them to be a "******", right?

Since 'Rat views any attempt at fact checking to be a personal attack, I'll simply let people decide if 'Rat was telling them the truth when he told us in the beginning that he is as pure as the driven snow when it comes to the use of racist language.

[solvs]

Saltyzoo, thats as close as you're going to get to an apology
This coming from someone who not only uses the same tactics, but I've yet to see a correction or apology from, well, ever even when proven wrong.

I just don't understand the need for people to come in here and do nothing but complain about the lack of serious content while contributing little to none themselves, guilty of the same things they're complaining about. You want to contribute, contribute. Make your argument, preferably backing it up if it's not expressed purely as an opinion, and expected to be taken as fact, when not already a known fact. If you feel wronged, report the poster or post. If you disagree with something, don't just complain, debate it. This is all very clearly laid out in the rules.

And for the record, Salty, I didn't mean to actually call you a racist. Ironically, I was pointing out that such terms are used far too freely. I'll try to be more clear with my flippancy in the future.

[obeygiant]

This coming from someone who not only uses the same tactics, but I've yet to see a correction or apology from, well, ever even when proven wrong.

Thats just not true, solvs. You're now attacking me with unsubstantiated claims when you were the one playing the racist card. Not even an apology from you just a "I was kidding." Usually at this point I'd stop posting, but since you seem to equate a lack of response with how "right" you are I kinda have to.

Make your argument, preferably backing it up if it's not expressed purely as an opinion, and expected to be taken as fact, when not already a known fact.

Tell this to OP. The thread, which I find offensive and is what I consider a troll thread, has been taken seriously and received as fact by many. I've already given this thread too much of my time which is a testament to how this god forsaken forum can suck you in. In any case you may have the last word if you want it. I'm done.

have a nice day. :)

[Rodimus Prime]

The OP works with these people in DC. That's about as "real world" as you can get, isn't it? And since you keep telling people to live in the "real world" in other threads, I would think you could appreciate this one. On the other hand, if you have no problem with the comments made to him, that's your business.

call DC the real world is a joke right. DC is just a bunch of power people who do not care about anyone but themselves.

DC is about as far from the general population as you can get.

[leekohler]

call DC the real world is a joke right. DC is just a bunch of power people who do not care about anyone but themselves.

DC is about as far from the general population as you can get.

However, it is the real world of politics. I would hardly dismiss them as having nothing to do with the general populace. They are the people running things and making laws. Their opinions and views affect a lot of what goes on in this country whether we like it or not.

[Rodimus Prime]

However, it is the real world of politics. I would hardly dismiss them as having nothing to do with the general populace. They are the people running things and making laws. Their opinions and views affect a lot of what goes on in this country whether we like it or not.

but I have to agree with the other person in this thread that good portion of this thread has been the ones thinking that just beating down all republican are racist.

It would be like me saying all Democrats are idiots Which we know is not true.

Just it the long list of thing been saying that other wise and the endless beat down of it. I think this thread should be lock and moved to wasteland for thread title alone and how the rest of it degraded.

Like others I stop paying any real attention to this tread because all it did was turn into name calling by a few people mostly people agree with the statement instead of offer substance to it just name call and belittle.

[leekohler]

but I have to agree with the other person in this thread that good portion of this thread has been the ones thinking that just beating down all republican are racist.

It would be like me saying all Democrats are idiots Which we know is not true.

Just it the long list of thing been saying that other wise and the endless beat down of it. I think this thread should be lock and moved to wasteland for thread title alone and how the rest of it degraded.

Like others I stop paying any real attention to this tread because all it did was turn into name calling by a few people mostly people agree with the statement instead of offer substance to it just name call and belittle.

You are correct in that the original intent of the thread has been sidetracked, which is too bad. It's interesting to hear what people actually say in DC.

[Rodimus Prime]

You are correct in that the original intent of the thread has been sidetracked, which is too bad. It's interesting to hear what people actually say in DC.

I agree just I think the thread starter seem to of wanted to steer it in another direction and just the title of this tread ruined any chance.

Now does it surpise me that a fair number of the pople their do that? not so much. DC is a sad little city full power hungry self centered less than sub-humans.

[solvs]

Thats just not true, solvs. You're now attacking me with unsubstantiated claims when you were the one playing the racist card. Not even an apology from you just a "I was kidding."
But I have yet to see you apologize for anything or offer a correction when presented with proof you are wrong. And I wasn't playing the racist card. I already said I was pointing out the fact that racism is thrown around too frequently, as well as those who then get defensive when called racist. Even after saying something that could be construed as prejudice. That's why the minor explanation, but no actual apology.

Like I said, I'll try to be more clear in the future when I'm being a jerk to someone who lumps us all together, which isn't anything like prejudice or racism.

Usually at this point I'd stop posting, but since you seem to equate a lack of response with how "right" you are I kinda have to.
I only equate that when someone is proved wrong or disagreed with and doesn't come back to make their case. This is all about opinion and pissy-ness. No response needed unless you really have one.

Tell this to OP.
I was.

Mostly.

The thread, which I find offensive and is what I consider a troll thread, has been taken seriously and received as fact by many.
Not really. I don't think any of us thinks all Republicans are racists. Just an interesting point about the correlation. Some people still aren't getting the actual point, though like my flippant comment, I suppose most of the blame lies with the poster who posted it.

I've already given this thread too much of my time which is a testament to how this god forsaken forum can suck you in. In any case you may have the last word if you want it. I'm done.
I love the god forsaken part. So many people come in here complaining about this forum, and I wonder why they put up with it if it's so bad. Odd, they are usually the same types of people. Often using the same tactics they claim to abhor, as salty just did in another thread, and you my friend have done on many an occasion. Don't worry, I'm sure this thread will be locked soon enough.

I'll just go back to assuming "I've won", unless of course you do post again and the thread is wastelanded before I can respond, so you can put more words into my mouth.