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Boomer85
Nov 9, 2007, 02:45 PM
I really don't think this has anything to do with where one is located, but...

California, Mac, no.

I was able to load the new firmware using the link and instructions in this thread.

Yeah I doubt location matters, but hey you never know right?

Will that firmware link perform the same on a PC? I'd try it, but, as I mentioned before, I had a horrific time with 1.1.1 (lost everything)...and until someone fesses up to having tried the file on a PC successfully...I'll wait.

Thanks though...



chr1s60
Nov 9, 2007, 02:48 PM
I am starting to wonder if Apple has delayed releasing 1.1.2 through iTunes on purpose. Jailbreaking 1.1.2 has already gotten pretty far which would mean that likely within a few days there would be an easy jailbreaking process. On top of that there is the emergence of free ringtones again. Could Apple be applying a quick fix to one or both of these issues before releasing it through iTunes in the US?

Telp
Nov 9, 2007, 02:50 PM
Yes Telp...they do...I posted all of this this morning, the old 1.0.2 way of putting ringtones on your iPhone works again. This has been confirmed here and in my other post on the Apple Forums.

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1229012&tstart=0

Uhm ok, thanks. Sorry I don't like plugging in my iPhone for no reason and i wanted to make sure before i did anything. Nothing wrong with making sure.

SFC Archer
Nov 9, 2007, 02:52 PM
Yeah I doubt location matters, but hey you never know right?

Will that firmware link perform the same on a PC? I'd try it, but, as I mentioned before, I had a horrific time with 1.1.1 (lost everything)...and until someone fesses up to having tried the file on a PC successfully...I'll wait.

Thanks though...

Boomer...the zip file worked for me just fine on my windows PC this morning...this is how I discovered that personal ringtones could be utilized again. Once you download it just hold the shift and right click on the check for update button in your iPhone window. Took 3-5 minutes to do its thing and I had no issues.

Hope that helps,

Good Luck

Boomer85
Nov 9, 2007, 02:52 PM
Boomer...the zip file worked for me just fine on my windows PC this morning...this is how I discovered that personal ringtones could be utilized again. Once you download it just hold the shift and right click on the check for update button in your iPhone window. Took 3-5 minutes to do its thing and I had no issues.

Hope that helps,

Good Luck

Thanks a lot...

Telp
Nov 9, 2007, 02:53 PM
I am starting to wonder if Apple has delayed releasing 1.1.2 through iTunes on purpose. Jailbreaking 1.1.2 has already gotten pretty far which would mean that likely within a few days there would be an easy jailbreaking process. On top of that there is the emergence of free ringtones again. Could Apple be applying a quick fix to one or both of these issues before releasing it through iTunes in the US?

Exactly what i was thinking. There has to be a reason it wasnt released here already, and why the ringtone method works again.

SFC Archer
Nov 9, 2007, 02:57 PM
Uhm ok, thanks. Sorry I don't like plugging in my iPhone for no reason and i wanted to make sure before i did anything. Nothing wrong with making sure.

oops...sorry...didnt mean to come across that way (god I hate typing, you loose emotion) was just trying to answer your question directly. Only trying to help those that were making big issues with ringtones in the past and may have got caught up in the moment. Sorry again for the bad response.

As far as Apple fixing the "Free Ringtone" method...I have had the post on their forum all day today and it has not been removed yet and normally if something is out of line it is removed most riky tik. It may be (IMHO) that enough users who complained about the limit of not being able to use sounds, personal creations etc. that they decided to let it go and cater to the customer. I say Thank You Apple for your considerations!!!

chr1s60
Nov 9, 2007, 03:07 PM
Exactly what i was thinking. There has to be a reason it wasnt released here already, and why the ringtone method works again.

Yeah, I find it pretty weird that they would allow free ringtones again. The first time this was found Apple got on it right away and fixed it. Changing something in the update is the only reason I can see for them no releasing it in iTunes yet, especially since the German and UK releases have already passed.

Telp
Nov 9, 2007, 03:10 PM
oops...sorry...didnt mean to come across that way (god I hate typing, you loose emotion) was just trying to answer your question directly. Only trying to help those that were making big issues with ringtones in the past and may have got caught up in the moment. Sorry again for the bad response.

Haha no problem mate. I understand how it is, happens all the time. :)

tethead
Nov 9, 2007, 03:12 PM
I really don't think this has anything to do with where one is located, but...

it has EVERYTHING to do with that...

everyone always seems to forget Apple uses Akamai to serve up pretty much everything they do. Akamai uses server clusters spread throughout the world to give fast speeds no matter where you are located - but for it to do this properly, the files must all be mirrored to all of the servers, checksums verified, tested, and then eventually made live. this is the way EVERY update is done on a Mac - it's never as simple as connecting to a server in Cupertino that is hosting this update.

oh, and NYC/mac/no

olegandbuster25
Nov 9, 2007, 03:18 PM
hey there is a thing in the installer caller oktoprep
its supposed to get you to update to 1.1.2 without trouble but does it??"?
im scared to try without restoring

Chupa Chupa
Nov 9, 2007, 03:34 PM
And they show up on iPhone too?


Yes, they work great w/ 1.1.2. In Sound--> Ringtones there is a "Custom" ringtone list and a "Standard" ringtone set. The DIY ringtone show up in "Custom."

Chupa Chupa
Nov 9, 2007, 03:41 PM
For those who don't get the update showing up in iTunes, it didn't for me either. I d/l'd the direct link at the top of the thread and then did the opt+click and linked to the zip file. For whatever reason that caused an error and my phone went into "recovery mode." I was forced to do a restore which d/l'd the 1.1.2 firmware again, but this time from inside iTunes. That did the trick and all my files and pics were restored after the update. My music and movies were not so I had to resync which was a PITA. So if you really want to update you can try it that way. I do wonder if Apple is working on fixing the ringtone issue, or if that was intentional.

After the update the DIY ringtones worked great, as stated. My phone BTW was not jailbreaked prior to updating.

JustMarci
Nov 9, 2007, 04:25 PM
I guess I'll stop checking for updates on iTunes.

Honestly, as a non-globetrotting USAian, there's not much compelling in this update anyway. I can wait.

megfilmworks
Nov 9, 2007, 04:34 PM
it has EVERYTHING to do with that...

everyone always seems to forget Apple uses Akamai to serve up pretty much everything they do. Akamai uses server clusters spread throughout the world to give fast speeds no matter where you are located - but for it to do this properly, the files must all be mirrored to all of the servers, checksums verified, tested, and then eventually made live. this is the way EVERY update is done on a Mac - it's never as simple as connecting to a server in Cupertino that is hosting this update.

oh, and NYC/mac/noGreat info..Thanks

liberty4all
Nov 9, 2007, 04:42 PM
Safari on 1.1.2 is definitely faster. Never seen it work so fast, even over Edge... ebay.com used to be a slow loader, and now seems improved... cnn.com is dog slow though...

matthewHUB
Nov 9, 2007, 04:53 PM
ok i don't know how on earth everyone else has got this update to work.

i downloaded from the server and it unzipped. i zipped it up again and pointed to it in iTunes. then it says "preparing iphone for update" then comes up with an 'unexpected error.... something something... x(and then a bunch of numbers.)

HELP!

Powerbook G4, iTunes 7.5, virgin iPhone, NYC, no.

overcast
Nov 9, 2007, 04:56 PM
ok i don't know how on earth everyone else has got this update to work.

i downloaded from the server and it unzipped. i zipped it up again and pointed to it in iTunes. then it says "preparing iphone for update" then comes up with an 'unexpected error.... something something... x(and then a bunch of numbers.)

HELP!

Powerbook G4, iTunes 7.5, virgin iPhone, NYC, no.
And this is why I said in the beginning of this thread to wait for the iTunes update.

pacohaas
Nov 9, 2007, 05:08 PM
Safari on 1.1.2 is definitely faster. Never seen it work so fast, even over Edge... ebay.com used to be a slow loader, and now seems improved... cnn.com is dog slow though...
to summarize:
Safari is definitely faster...ok maybe not.

CADer
Nov 9, 2007, 05:11 PM
Macbook Pro 2.4 SR, Itunes 7.5, 8GB Iphone, Virgin Iphone, Reno NV, I enjoy long walks on the beach, and the feeling of spaghetti noodles between my toes, No.:D

Bernie-Mac
Nov 9, 2007, 05:12 PM
So if apple is holding off on releasing 1.1.2 does that mean we will have 2 1.1.2's or will they just release a 1.1.3 in a week or two?

daneoni
Nov 9, 2007, 05:15 PM
The Elite Team have posted an UNLOCK (http://code.google.com/p/iphone-elite/) solution already

Fuchal
Nov 9, 2007, 05:21 PM
Isnt this firmware just for the European iPhones so they can download and restore their iPhones if they have to?

zedsdead
Nov 9, 2007, 05:27 PM
to summarize:
Safari is definitely faster...ok maybe not.

Faster or not, does it still CRASH when using Safari with the iPod playing?

Also, I get the feeling Apple is working on 1.1.3...

FreeState
Nov 9, 2007, 05:43 PM
Faster or not, does it still CRASH when using Safari with the iPod playing?

Not for me but it has not done that for me in a long long time (day 1 buyer here).

zedsdead
Nov 9, 2007, 05:57 PM
Not for me but it has not done that for me in a long long time (day 1 buyer here).

I am a day 1 buyer as well, and I had to exchange my first phone about a month in. Both had the problem, and this is a well known issue...glad to here it hasn't happened to you in a while though...

dave2qj
Nov 9, 2007, 06:03 PM
If I bought a US phone and was using this firmware in the UK would it prevent the need to unlock the phone?

EDIT: If I put an O2 sim card into it instead of AT&T.

rstansby
Nov 9, 2007, 06:14 PM
ok i don't know how on earth everyone else has got this update to work.

i downloaded from the server and it unzipped. i zipped it up again and pointed to it in iTunes. then it says "preparing iphone for update" then comes up with an 'unexpected error.... something something... x(and then a bunch of numbers.)

HELP!

Powerbook G4, iTunes 7.5, virgin iPhone, NYC, no.

Grab the original zip file from the trash. That worked great for me.

Boomer85
Nov 9, 2007, 06:32 PM
Ok I must comment...and sorry if I'm late with figuring this out, but:

Ok with the new 1.1.2 ability to play (<=30 second) custom ringtones, I decided to try something.

I took a full .m4a file (.mp3 works as well), that I had in my iTunes library. Nothing special...just a song from a CD I ripped. Anyway, so there was a specific starting point in the track that I wanted the ringtone to start at. So what I did is:

1.) Made a copy of the .m4a file, and renamed it to something else.m4a.

2.) Then I played the new track in iTunes to find the spot (in time using the meter on the top of the iTunes window) where I needed the ringtone to start. It happened to be at the 0:27 spot.

3.) Then I went to the track info and changed the start and end of the track to 0:27 to 0:57 (30 seconds), removed references to the album name/track number/part of a compilation checkbox/etc, titled it the way I wanted it, and saved the file.

4.) Then I did another: "convert to .aac" on the modified file.

5.) Then I browsed to my file on my computer, changed the extension to .m4r, added it to iTunes, and synced to my iPhone.

Bingo...instant fully-customed ringtone all through iTunes.

I love this 1.1.2 update!!!

Ok I'll stop my rant...

Compile 'em all
Nov 9, 2007, 06:40 PM
If I bought a US phone and was using this firmware in the UK would it prevent the need to unlock the phone?

EDIT: If I put an O2 sim card into it instead of AT&T.

The Locktable in the seczone locks your phone to the SIM card (in your case att). When you upgrade, the locktable is still there.

If you want to use the iPhone with a SIM card other than the one it came with you must unlock it.

megfilmworks
Nov 9, 2007, 06:54 PM
Any more guesses as to why the update is still not available on iTunes??:confused:

chr1s60
Nov 9, 2007, 07:07 PM
Any more guesses as to why the update is still not available on iTunes??:confused:

My only guess is that the 1.1.2 people have been downloading and installing on their own is not the one that will be released in the US. I doubt that the US one will have any extra features, but I think Apple is tryin to break any hacks that have already happened and they will get rid of the current free ringtone method. I doubt anyone will see it through iTunes before Monday at the earliest.

cameronjpu
Nov 9, 2007, 07:26 PM
Yeah I doubt location matters, but hey you never know right?

Will that firmware link perform the same on a PC? I'd try it, but, as I mentioned before, I had a horrific time with 1.1.1 (lost everything)...and until someone fesses up to having tried the file on a PC successfully...I'll wait.

Thanks though...

Did it, worked fine. Untouched unhacked normal out of the box iPhone. Took 5 mins.

cameronjpu
Nov 9, 2007, 07:30 PM
Faster or not, does it still CRASH when using Safari with the iPod playing?

Also, I get the feeling Apple is working on 1.1.3...

Mine used to, but did not at all today in the 5-10 minutes I tested it. So I'm pleased

Macsterling
Nov 9, 2007, 08:56 PM
Wirelessly posted (iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/3A109a Safari/419.3)

Hack it again boys! Stupid Apple, when are you going to realize you can't f with all of us and you can't keep up. I WILL use the iphone with T-Mobile and you may as well get used to it. I'll switch to AT&T when you can pry my unlocked iphone out of my cold dead hands, and your profit sharing agreement with AT&T can be damned.

Stupid Apple?? R u kidding me?? What have u invented or created? Apple has raised the bar on cell phones and while it is not perfect yet and missing some key features and apps, they will soon make it better. Look how far the iPod has come and the iPhone will only get better. Most of u need to realize that this is a first generation phone. I just wish everyone would stop complaining about apple when they have brought us some cool stuff.

Macsterling
Nov 9, 2007, 09:00 PM
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EDIT:: macrumors of all places (haha) made my iPod crash!

i hate this bug =(

If you turn on Safari debug mode you will notice that macrumors generates about 100+ errors. iPhones Safari hates some of the tags that macrumors uses. Which is also why it takes a little while to load.

use their mobile version and it loads very fast and has no problems

gceo
Nov 9, 2007, 09:44 PM
Garage Band + 1.1.2 = Ultimate Ringtone Maker

Thank you Apple. You listened. :)

penguy
Nov 9, 2007, 11:36 PM
Ok I must comment...and sorry if I'm late with figuring this out, but:

Ok with the new 1.1.2 ability to play (<=30 second) custom ringtones, I decided to try something.

I took a full .m4a file (.mp3 works as well), that I had in my iTunes library. Nothing special...just a song from a CD I ripped. Anyway, so there was a specific starting point in the track that I wanted the ringtone to start at. So what I did is:

1.) Made a copy of the .m4a file, and renamed it to something else.m4a.

2.) Then I played the new track in iTunes to find the spot (in time using the meter on the top of the iTunes window) where I needed the ringtone to start. It happened to be at the 0:27 spot.

3.) Then I went to the track info and changed the start and end of the track to 0:27 to 0:57 (30 seconds), removed references to the album name/track number/part of a compilation checkbox/etc, titled it the way I wanted it, and saved the file.

4.) Then I did another: "convert to .aac" on the modified file.

5.) Then I browsed to my file on my computer, changed the extension to .m4r, added it to iTunes, and synced to my iPhone.

Bingo...instant fully-customed ringtone all through iTunes.

I love this 1.1.2 update!!!

Ok I'll stop my rant...

so...I think I did everything you described, and the file is in iTunes, it even is listed as a ringtone. But, I cannot copy it to my ringtones folder from within iTunes...is there a way to do this within finder?

gceo
Nov 10, 2007, 12:05 AM
so...I think I did everything you described, and the file is in iTunes, it even is listed as a ringtone. But, I cannot copy it to my ringtones folder from within iTunes...is there a way to do this within finder?

While Ringtones is selected on the left side of iTunes, under Library, drag the files to the song listing window from a Finder window. It would only work for me if the song wasn't in iTunes first, it had to come from the Finder, and had to be a m4r file.

pico007
Nov 10, 2007, 12:23 AM
Thank you for the detailed info. I appreciate it.

This really sucks. :mad:

Apparently 1.1.1 supported (http://plusd.itmedia.co.jp/mobile/articles/0710/01/news118.html) (link in Japanese) Japanese input on select sites. I wonder if this is still working?

Can someone with 1.1.2 go to http://www.jr-odekake.net/ (in Safari) and click on the text edit box and let me know if you get the Japanese enabled keyboard?
(If you type "sushi" you should see the choices come up in Japanese).
This used to work in 1.1.1 and I'd like to know if this still works in 1.1.2...

Thanks!

filmjeff
Nov 10, 2007, 12:25 AM
So I downloaded the update thing from MacRumors. Rezipped it. And restored... then it gave me an error and the "iTunes logo/arrow/Dock connecter" logo came on my phone.

Crap.

Well I hit "Restore" in iTunes and lo and behold, it starts downloading 1.1.2. Weird.

So Apple is dishing it out, but it didn't come up when I originally clicked "Check for updates" (before I downloaded 1.1.2 from MacRumors).

So it's restoring right now. I'll let you know what happens.

penguy
Nov 10, 2007, 12:33 AM
While Ringtones is selected on the left side of iTunes, under Library, drag the files to the song listing window from a Finder window. It would only work for me if the song wasn't in iTunes first, it had to come from the Finder, and had to be a m4r file.

That's it! thank you. I could have sworn I had tried that, but obviously not.

scrogers
Nov 10, 2007, 12:41 AM
So I downloaded the update thing from MacRumors. Rezipped it. And restored... then it gave me an error and the "iTunes logo/arrow/Dock connecter" logo came on my phone.

Crap.

Well I hit "Restore" in iTunes and lo and behold, it starts downloading 1.1.2. Weird.

So Apple is dishing it out, but it didn't come up when I originally clicked "Check for updates" (before I downloaded 1.1.2 from MacRumors).

So it's restoring right now. I'll let you know what happens.

I believe there are a few in the last 12 pages that have reported similar findings. iTunes/Apple still does not seem to be pushing the updater to the iPhones saying 1.1.1 is up to date. However, if you do a FULL restore it appears that at least some are getting 1.1.2 as the install file downloaded through iTunes.

I'm now just waiting to see if Apple is going to break this limbo and push the updater, or if we're all going to wait through the weekend and have 1.1.3 or something pushed on Monday. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

skwoytek
Nov 10, 2007, 12:49 AM
Any more guesses as to why the update is still not available on iTunes??:confused:

I think there will be an "iPhone Update: November '07" with added features very soon. It will be available to all iPhone owners. In the mean time, the 1.1.2 adds international features for outside the U.S.

Of course, Apple may release it anyway to keep people from downloading the update outside of iTunes as they are now. They wouldn't want people thinking iPhone updates are that clumsy.

Just a guess...

gceo
Nov 10, 2007, 02:03 AM
So I downloaded the update thing from MacRumors. Rezipped it. And restored... then it gave me an error and the "iTunes logo/arrow/Dock connecter" logo came on my phone.

Crap.

Well I hit "Restore" in iTunes and lo and behold, it starts downloading 1.1.2. Weird.

So Apple is dishing it out, but it didn't come up when I originally clicked "Check for updates" (before I downloaded 1.1.2 from MacRumors).

So it's restoring right now. I'll let you know what happens.

Same exact thing happened to me. Forced restore, then iTunes actually downloaded the update and applied it. All is good. Didn't lose a thing.

Claypidgeon
Nov 10, 2007, 03:55 AM
Can someone with 1.1.2 go to http://www.jr-odekake.net/ (in Safari) and click on the text edit box and let me know if you get the Japanese enabled keyboard?
(If you type "sushi" you should see the choices come up in Japanese).
This used to work in 1.1.1 and I'd like to know if this still works in 1.1.2...

Thanks!

If by "text edit box" you mean the search tool in the upper right hand corner, it did not appear to work for me. I don't know what a "Japanese enabled keyboard" looks like, but it looked like the usual qwerty to me.

MacBoySeattle
Nov 10, 2007, 06:57 AM
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Stupid Apple?? R u kidding me?? What have u invented or created? Apple has raised the bar on cell phones and while it is not perfect yet and missing some key features and apps, they will soon make it better. Look how far the iPod has come and the iPhone will only get better. Most of u need to realize that this is a first generation phone. I just wish everyone would stop complaining about apple when they have brought us some cool stuff.

Dude if you want to live in some iphone is God deluded dream world go ahead. Have you seen Verizon Wireless' Q3 numbers kid? 1.6 million new subscribers in Q3 and the highest ever ARPU of over $52 per subscriber. The iphone is a drop in the bucket. Get that in your head. Verizon doesn't give a **** about the iphone when they're adding close to 2 million people a quarter without it. And that's just Verizon. Your little fancy graphical toy phone is relevant to a small number of AT&T users and that's about it. The world has moved on.

The iphone is the Mac of the wireless industry. It's priced way outside of the mainstream. It has a tiny insignificant market share with a prorietary single carrier and yet it feigns grandiousity and importance based on some fancy graphics and a small loyal (if stupid) fan base. It doesn't matter to BlackBerry or Motorola who ship 100 times the number of phones per month, nor to Verizon or T-Mobile who have tens of millions of subscribers and keep adding.

kbrain2929
Nov 10, 2007, 07:29 AM
I brought up a picture of my wife that I had taken of her back side. I can now pinch her behind and to my surprise she can feel it. Thats just awesome!!

Okay just kidding. All these updates and what I really need is a to do list and notes. Not to forget everything else cheaper smartphones have that can run circles around the iPhone.

lol... thanks! I needed that. Yea... it's a pretty boring update, but my iPhone is unhacked, so what the hell. Nothing to really gain, nothing to loose. :rolleyes: :apple:

Edit: Did the whole manual update thing and it worked perfectly. No errors, little slower in update process than usual, but all in all no big deal.

SFC Archer
Nov 10, 2007, 08:02 AM
Garage Band + 1.1.2 = Ultimate Ringtone Maker

Thank you Apple. You listened. :)

EXACTLY!!!...Finally someone else with a glass half full! I figured I would see more of this in these and Apples forums, but I guess skepticism runs rampid across this country.

You think negative, negative things happen. Maybe, maybe just once Apple has seen it through the customers eyes and agreed to just let it go. They see that there is a need or desire for sound ringtones, or a childs voice saying something or a home artist creating a work of art. You have all asked for it and its here...BE THANKFUL.

I posted my finding on Apple's forums yesterday morning about my discovery of the ringtone option and it is still there...if Apple thought otherwise, as they have numerous times in the past...wouldn't they have removed my post???

Regardless...you all have a new iphone version 1.1.2 that allows these ringtones and totally does away with the need for 1.0.2. You do not need to upgrade to 1.1.3 "IF" it is even released. A workable is now here and I will enjoy it and use it to its fullest!!!

THANK YOU APPLE!!!

taybo20
Nov 10, 2007, 08:03 AM
Garage Band + 1.1.2 = Ultimate Ringtone Maker

Thank you Apple. You listened. :)

Hmmm...we'll see. This isn't the last update from Apple. If it sticks around that will be great, but chances are it won't.

MacBoySeattle
Nov 10, 2007, 08:05 AM
By the way, what firmware version do we have to wait for to get picture messaging (MMS)? Get with the frickin program Apple. What GSM phone made in the past 3 years has lacked MMS? My friends and I send about 50 photos a day to each other using MMS and we're on different networks. Its called a standard Apple, get with the standards everybody else has. Don't even get me started on the lack of Yahoo IM, stereo Bluetooth, 3G, all of which are increasingly available in $99 phones. The reason I bring up MMS because its a deal breaker for people I know and I can't think of one typically paranoid prorietary justification Apple would have for not including a software feature like that. And with all the prorietary paranoia Apple has, that's really saying something.

taybo20
Nov 10, 2007, 08:12 AM
EXACTLY!!!...Finally someone else with a glass half full! I figured I would see more of this in these and Apples forums, but I guess skepticism runs rampid across this country.

You think negative, negative things happen. Maybe, maybe just once Apple has seen it through the customers eyes and agreed to just let it go. They see that there is a need or desire for sound ringtones, or a childs voice saying something or a home artist creating a work of art. You have all asked for it and its here...BE THANKFUL.

I posted my finding on Apple's forums yesterday morning about my discovery of the ringtone option and it is still there...if Apple thought otherwise, as they have numerous times in the past...wouldn't they have removed my post???

Regardless...you all have a new iphone version 1.1.2 that allows these ringtones and totally does away with the need for 1.0.2. You do not need to upgrade to 1.1.3 "IF" it is even released. A workable is now here and I will enjoy it and use it to its fullest!!!

THANK YOU APPLE!!!

First off we don't think negatively, we think logically according to how Apple has reacted in the past. The ringtone thing happened initially in the beginning but then was patched over by multiple methods. Now it has returned, but only time will tell whether this new way of putting ringtones on the iPhone will stay. Perhaps their argument for this type of "custom ringtone" is that iPhone users actually wanted "custom ringtones", not just music. Fortunately, it allows the use of any audio file made into a .m4r.

Second, saying that we will not need to update to 1.1.3 is not a good statement. Every release that Apple will have will be something the help patch, fix, or add to the iPhone. What about 1.2? These updates will continue to come, especially next year. If they take away your precious ringtones with 1.1.3, I suppose I understand a little bit. But I will continue to update my iPhone in the hope that it continues to fix bugs and add new/wanted features. In that way, I will be using my iPhone to the fullest...;)

SFC Archer
Nov 10, 2007, 08:21 AM
First off we don't think negatively, we think logically according to how Apple has reacted in the past. The ringtone thing happened initially in the beginning but then was patched over by multiple methods. Now it has returned, but only time will tell whether this new way of putting ringtones on the iPhone will stay. Perhaps their argument for this type of "custom ringtone" is that iPhone users actually wanted "custom ringtones", not just music. Fortunately, it allows the use of any audio file made into a .m4r.

Second, saying that we will not need to update to 1.1.3 is not a good statement. Every release that Apple will have will be something the help patch, fix, or add to the iPhone. What about 1.2? These updates will continue to come, especially next year. If they take away your precious ringtones with 1.1.3, I suppose I understand a little bit. But I will continue to update my iPhone in the hope that it continues to fix bugs and add new/wanted features. In that way, I will be using my iPhone to the fullest...;)

Again I state...This post has been on Apple forums for almost 24 hours...there have been over 2,400 hits and almost 50 posts...Apple without hesitation either locks or removes threads that do not belong, are not technical related or are derogatory in context or use. This has not happened. I posted it there for that reason...To see what Apple would do and they have let it alone...Take this as a simple sign or keep being pesimestic...I am only helping those that want to really truly enjoy life and freedom of expression.

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1229012&tstart=0

Have a terrific custom Ringtone DAY!!!:D

My response to the 1.1.3 were to those that are still using 1.0.2 or other because they want to use their own ringtones. It is so that "THEY CAN" update to get the patches and security fixes and still maintain what they were staying at a lower version for...please read the whole statement and intent. It also gets rid of the need for others to install hacks or other software that may hurt their phones...again, I am helping users with my posts not hurting. NO longer is iPhoneRingtoneMaker or iToner needed and still have open TIFF holes. This has all been a benefit to everyone...Again-Think POSITIVE!

thomasfxlt
Nov 10, 2007, 08:30 AM
Dude if you want to live in some iphone is God deluded dream world go ahead. Have you seen Verizon Wireless' Q3 numbers kid? 1.6 million new subscribers in Q3 and the highest ever ARPU of over $52 per subscriber. The iphone is a drop in the bucket. Get that in your head. Verizon doesn't give a **** about the iphone when they're adding close to 2 million people a quarter without it. And that's just Verizon. Your little fancy graphical toy phone is relevant to a small number of AT&T users and that's about it. The world has moved on.

The iphone is the Mac of the wireless industry. It's priced way outside of the mainstream. It has a tiny insignificant market share with a prorietary single carrier and yet it feigns grandiousity and importance based on some fancy graphics and a small loyal (if stupid) fan base. It doesn't matter to BlackBerry or Motorola who ship 100 times the number of phones per month, nor to Verizon or T-Mobile who have tens of millions of subscribers and keep adding.

And if you don't think the iPhone is a significant advancement in handheld platforms, you've got some delusions of your own. You sound like a typical number cruncher who just looks at current performance and has virtually no ability to see beyond the math.

thomasfxlt
Nov 10, 2007, 08:33 AM
By the way, what firmware version do we have to wait for to get picture messaging (MMS)? Get with the frickin program Apple. What GSM phone made in the past 3 years has lacked MMS? My friends and I send about 50 photos a day to each other using MMS and we're on different networks. Its called a standard Apple, get with the standards everybody else has. Don't even get me started on the lack of Yahoo IM, stereo Bluetooth, 3G, all of which are increasingly available in $99 phones. The reason I bring up MMS because its a deal breaker for people I know and I can't think of one typically paranoid prorietary justification Apple would have for not including a software feature like that. And with all the prorietary paranoia Apple has, that's really saying something.

You are something else. Apple develops the most innovative forward thinking platform of the decade and you're like a spoiled little kid complaining about the fact that the Porsche daddy bought isn't gold plated too. Get real!

MacBoySeattle
Nov 10, 2007, 08:43 AM
You are something else. Apple develops the most innovative forward thinking platform of the decade and you're like a spoiled little kid complaining about the fact that the Porsche daddy bought isn't gold plated too. Get real!

MMS is "gold plating"? Every phone with a color screen and a camera produced in the past couple years has MMS. And that's CDMA and GSM and what do you know? They're interoperable too. That's the thing about standards though which apparently Apple has you convinced you don't need. LOL when you take a picture with your fancy toy phone and want to send it to a Verizon or T-Mobile customer, what do you do? Pray to God? Its in every FREE phone dude.

EagerDragon
Nov 10, 2007, 08:58 AM
Dude if you want to live in some iphone is God deluded dream world go ahead. Have you seen Verizon Wireless' Q3 numbers kid? 1.6 million new subscribers in Q3 and the highest ever ARPU of over $52 per subscriber. The iphone is a drop in the bucket. Get that in your head. Verizon doesn't give a **** about the iphone when they're adding close to 2 million people a quarter without it. And that's just Verizon. Your little fancy graphical toy phone is relevant to a small number of AT&T users and that's about it. The world has moved on.

The iphone is the Mac of the wireless industry. It's priced way outside of the mainstream. It has a tiny insignificant market share with a prorietary single carrier and yet it feigns grandiousity and importance based on some fancy graphics and a small loyal (if stupid) fan base. It doesn't matter to BlackBerry or Motorola who ship 100 times the number of phones per month, nor to Verizon or T-Mobile who have tens of millions of subscribers and keep adding.

Hehe, you sound like the Dell guy that said that Apple should just be sold and the money returned to the shareholders.

Maybe you are right, but time will tell.

SFC Archer
Nov 10, 2007, 08:59 AM
MMS is "gold plating"? Every phone with a color screen and a camera produced in the past couple years has MMS. And that's CDMA and GSM and what do you know? They're interoperable too. That's the thing about standards though which apparently Apple has you convinced you don't need. LOL when you take a picture with your fancy toy phone and want to send it to a Verizon or T-Mobile customer, what do you do? Pray to God? Its in every FREE phone dude.

Wow...you are definetly a seattleite...impatient, spoiled and rude to boot!!! Obviously...YOU...are using this "TOY phone" and the only thing you seem to want to do is BITCH cause it don't meet your perfectionist standards. Get a GRIP DUDE...its called EMAIL to send a real photo...not a stupid thumbnail. I wouldnt want a bunch of thumbnails sent to me cause they are worthless and cant be used outside the friggin phone. Apple has NOT made a "standard" phone...they have made a better phone...get out of the dinosaur age and start using your email for big files. If you don't like "YOUR FANCY TOY PHONE" then take it back and leave these forums so that we don't have to listen to your spoiled brat attitude:eek:

Have a Great Day and ask for a Hug....you need it!

EagerDragon
Nov 10, 2007, 09:05 AM
Again I state...This post has been on Apple forums for almost 24 hours...there have been over 2,400 hits and almost 50 posts...Apple without hesitation either locks or removes threads that do not belong, are not technical related or are derogatory in context or use. This has not happened. I posted it there for that reason...To see what Apple would do and they have let it alone...Take this as a simple sign or keep being pesimestic...I am only helping those that want to really truly enjoy life and freedom of expression.

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1229012&tstart=0

Have a terrific custom Ringtone DAY!!!:D

My response to the 1.1.3 were to those that are still using 1.0.2 or other because they want to use their own ringtones. It is so that "THEY CAN" update to get the patches and security fixes and still maintain what they were staying at a lower version for...please read the whole statement and intent. It also gets rid of the need for others to install hacks or other software that may hurt their phones...again, I am helping users with my posts not hurting. NO longer is iPhoneRingtoneMaker or iToner needed and still have open TIFF holes. This has all been a benefit to everyone...Again-Think POSITIVE!

Dude, you are looking at a user forum, in many ways not that different from this one. The person that posted is not an Apple representative. Just becuase Apple have not removed the post and every one is talking about it, it does not mean Apple agress.

SFC Archer
Nov 10, 2007, 09:15 AM
Dude, you are looking at a user forum, in many ways not that different from this one. The person that posted is not an Apple representative. Just becuase Apple have not removed the post and every one is talking about it, it does not mean Apple agress.

Im the one that made that post and I have been on that forum since iPhone D-Day. It IS monitored by moderators that lock and remove posts daily. I know that it is a user to user forum and if you look at the two user names (here and there) and then look at my 700+ posts that I have been assisting users for over 4 months now. I am only new to this forum because I wanted to pass on the news of what I had discovered and wanted to share that with fellow users here. Your right though, I am not an Apple representative and even those that are on there cannot say one way or another but they do remove threads daily. If you had been a part of that forum crown for even two months, you would know...you havent thus you don't so please do not degrade advice from someone who has been there and knows the system.

Have a great day!

EagerDragon
Nov 10, 2007, 09:24 AM
Im the one that made that post and I have been on that forum since iPhone D-Day. It IS monitored by moderators that lock and remove posts daily. I know that it is a user to user forum and if you look at the two user names (here and there) and then look at my 700+ posts that I have been assisting users for over 4 months now. I am only new to this forum because I wanted to pass on the news of what I had discovered and wanted to share that with fellow users here. Your right though, I am not an Apple representative and even those that are on there cannot say one way or another but they do remove threads daily. If you had been a part of that forum crown for even two months, you would know...you havent thus you don't so please do not degrade advice from someone who has been there and knows the system.

Have a great day!

I used the link OU provided and that is a lot of people talking out of their butt. Nothing official. Just becuase Apple does not remove the post it does not mean that it is official. Major official capabilities are adverticed to bring more customers. This is a hole not a feature. It is too complex of a procedure. If Apple wanted you to be able to do this (at this stage), they would have instead just have you right click on the song and everything else would have occured automatically.

The iPhone and iTunes was made for the un-washed masses, this is too complex, it is not for people that know their way around a Mac.

Remember "It just works"?

Having to rename and then drag tells it all.
This is a hole.

SFC Archer
Nov 10, 2007, 09:39 AM
I used the link OU provided and that is a lot of people talking out of their butt. Nothing official. Just becuase Apple does not remove the post it does not mean that it is official. Major official capabilities are adverticed to bring more customers. This is a hole not a feature. It is too complex of a procedure. If Apple wanted you to be able to do this (at this stage), they would have instead just have you right click on the song and everything else would have occured automatically.

No one is talking out their butts as you put it. It is a user help user forum sponsored, maintained and moderated by Apple (read the Terms of Use) to assist iPhone users that are having problems troubleshoot and get up and operational. I have NOT stated in ANY post that this an "OFFICIAL" upgrade. It "IS" a hole in the new version and it is being used by those that want to enjoy the found "feature". The procedure is NOT complex at all. No one has told you to use it, it does NOT brick iPhones, it is not a hack so let it go already. Those that want to use the "feature" can and those that don't wont. Obviously, they are NOT going to advertise it for monetary reasons, but at the same time, they have NOT locked my other thread. Get over it and let it go....By the way I am not a "DUDE" I have been leading soldiers for more years then you have been alive.

Have a great :apple: day!

taybo20
Nov 10, 2007, 09:47 AM
TO SFC ARCHER

Hey man i am positive about Apple, hence why i own Apple products and no longer use windows/pc eqip. Also please dont use sarcasm in your arguments or defense; its less respectable.

Anyways like i said i am not negative about this new occurence nor am i pessimistic. I am skeptical. Do i hope its true? hell yeah! There are plenty of audio tones I want on my phone. But like I said time will tell. Also most users of 1.0.2 are not ringtone users, but those who have unlocked their phones for use on other carriers. I understand you're intent but try not to label people as negative or pessimistic. we all want the certain things from our phones. And hopefully we all get them.

EagerDragon
Nov 10, 2007, 09:49 AM
No one is talking out their butts as you put it. It is a user help user forum sponsored, maintained and moderated by Apple (read the Terms of Use) to assist iPhone users that are having problems troubleshoot and get up and operational. I have NOT stated in ANY post that this an "OFFICIAL" upgrade. It "IS" a hole in the new version and it is being used by those that want to enjoy the found "feature". The procedure is NOT complex at all. No one has told you to use it, it does NOT brick iPhones, it is not a hack so let it go already. Those that want to use the "feature" can and those that don't wont. Obviously, they are NOT going to advertise it for monetary reasons, but at the same time, they have NOT locked my other thread. Get over it and let it go....By the way I am not a "DUDE" I have been leading soldiers for more years then you have been alive.

Have a great :apple: day!

To me you are a dude, and by the way, you are making a mistake in assuming I am not older than you. Not all leaders are created equal btw, you seem to have a big ego, a lot of men that were lead are in graves and it is hard to say if they were led properly or not.

Get over it, DUDE.

BTW, Apple gave you a legal and for pay method of getting ring tones, what you are doing is stealing and leading others to steal also.

Good mark of a leader.

SFC Archer
Nov 10, 2007, 10:07 AM
To me you are a dude, and by the way, you are making a mistake in assuming I am not older than you. Not all leaders are created equal btw, you seem to have a big ego, a lot of men that were lead are in graves and it is hard to say if they were led properly or not.

Get over it, DUDE.

BTW, Apple gave you a legal and for pay method of getting ring tones, what you are doing is stealing and leading others to steal also.

Good mark of a leader.

Yes...and you are such a good example, not serving your country and making light of those who have sacraficed their lives for your freedom to sit on your ARSS and develope for 34 years.

And yes I do have an ego and it has allowed me to lead and bring home every SINGLE soldier. At least the soldiers I lead have respect and don't degrade others. And oh by the way...every song I have in iTunes to include ringtones is "PURCHASED" The sounds I am refering to come from Captain Audio and Crazy Frog and do not allow ringtones to be made yet...The SONGs WERE Purchased...Again speaking without facts....you GET OVER IT!

That is All...your Dismissed!

EagerDragon
Nov 10, 2007, 10:12 AM
Yes...and you are such a good example, not serving your country and making light of those who have sacraficed their lives for your freedom to sit on your ARSS and develope for 34 years.

And yes I do have an ego and it has allowed me to lead and bring home every SINGLE soldier. At least the soldiers I lead have respect and don't degrade others. And oh by the way...every song I have in iTunes to include ringtones is "PURCHASED" The sounds I am refering to come from Captain Audio and Crazy Frog and do not allow ringtones to be made yet...The SONGs WERE Purchased...Again speaking without facts....you GET OVER IT!

That is All...your Dismissed!

And why do you think I was not in the military?
As a LEADER you are making a lot of mistakes DUDE, you keep making a lot of assumptions. Just because you can does not mean you should, you are leading your MEN to steal.

I would say you are not much of a leader, you just have a big head and full of yourself.

mac-convert
Nov 10, 2007, 10:16 AM
Please people - Peace - Let's let this thread get back on track.

Thanks in behalf of all of us...

EagerDragon
Nov 10, 2007, 10:19 AM
Please people - Peace - Let's let this thread get back on track.

Thanks in behalf of all of us...

You are right, let get back on track.

pico007
Nov 10, 2007, 10:20 AM
If by "text edit box" you mean the search tool in the upper right hand corner, it did not appear to work for me. I don't know what a "Japanese enabled keyboard" looks like, but it looked like the usual qwerty to me.

Yes, upper right hand text field. thanks. In 1.1.1, by clicking on the text field with lang=ja it brought up a slightly different qwery that allowed me to type japanese. Looks like apple took this (bug) out.

EagerDragon
Nov 10, 2007, 10:25 AM
Is 1.1.2 now appearing on iTunes or the Apple update yet?

I would not try this until it does, it has been many hours and to my knowledge it is still not out.

I recommend waiting.

evilbert420
Nov 10, 2007, 10:40 AM
Wow, this thread sucks. You've got people trashing on people that live in Seattle, then turning around and talking about respect? Gotta love maturity, some have it and some don't.

Did Apple fix the major Calendar bug where calendar items not created by the owner of the calendar don't get synced? That's a major dealbreaker for me. The fact that 80% of my calendar items are sent by someone else, and yet they don't sync, has made me switch to another phone that handles the calendar appropriately.

Any idea if this is fixed?

guzhogi
Nov 10, 2007, 10:53 AM
I was just thinking, with the download of the firmware, I guess it won't be long before someone reverse engineers it* and creates a iPhone version of Linux or something. It would be interesting to see what develops.

*I think reverse engineering violates copyrights or EULA or something so do it at your own risk! I am not condoning this action, just saying it may be possible.

taybo20
Nov 10, 2007, 11:08 AM
Wow, this thread sucks. You've got people trashing on people that live in Seattle, then turning around and talking about respect? Gotta love maturity, some have it and some don't.

Please try not to bring this up again as you were not involved in the confrontation and because the issue has seemed to have been settled by both going in their own ways.

zac4mac
Nov 10, 2007, 11:14 AM
Not sure where this stands as of now, but I updated my MBP to the latest iTunes and QT and as long as it says current for my iPhone is 1.1.1 and the 1.1.2 is NOT from an Apple site that I recognize. I'll not touch it.

Z

thomasfxlt
Nov 10, 2007, 11:31 AM
MMS is "gold plating"? Every phone with a color screen and a camera produced in the past couple years has MMS. And that's CDMA and GSM and what do you know? They're interoperable too. That's the thing about standards though which apparently Apple has you convinced you don't need. LOL when you take a picture with your fancy toy phone and want to send it to a Verizon or T-Mobile customer, what do you do? Pray to God? Its in every FREE phone dude.

For everything the iPhone doesn't do, there is a list of 10 things no other phone has ever done. I'm more than happy with mine as are many millions of other people buying them. Perfect, no.... but on the road to being the best handheld device ever....by a wide margin. That's my opinion, delivered respectfully and without a bunch of misdirected anger.

EagerDragon
Nov 10, 2007, 11:50 AM
For everything the iPhone doesn't do, there is a list of 10 things no other phone has ever done. I'm more than happy with mine as are many millions of other people buying them. Perfect, no.... but on the road to being the best handheld device ever....by a wide margin. That's my opinion, delivered respectfully and without a bunch of misdirected anger.

This is version 1, imagine what version 2 and 3 look like!

claytonaugust
Nov 10, 2007, 11:55 AM
You are something else. Apple develops the most innovative forward thinking platform of the decade and you're like a spoiled little kid complaining about the fact that the Porsche daddy bought isn't gold plated too. Get real!


Actually it's more like complaining that the Porsche daddy bought doesn't have power door locks.

thomasfxlt
Nov 10, 2007, 12:13 PM
Actually it's more like complaining that the Porsche daddy bought doesn't have power door locks.

Yeah, just 450 raw ponies under the hood and a suspension that can take a hairpin curve at 80 mph. I can wait for the door locks.:)

ntrigue
Nov 10, 2007, 12:20 PM
By the way, what firmware version do we have to wait for to get picture messaging (MMS)? Get with the frickin program Apple. What GSM phone made in the past 3 years has lacked MMS? My friends and I send about 50 photos a day to each other using MMS and we're on different networks.

The iPhone has a gorgeous display. Why do I want 0.3MP photos from friends clogging it up?!

claytonaugust
Nov 10, 2007, 12:33 PM
Yeah, just 450 raw ponies under the hood and a suspension that can take a hairpin curve at 80 mph. I can wait for the door locks.:)

Except the engine dies 4 out of 5 times when you reach a certain speed, and Porsche tells you they can't take responsibility because you tried to put your own gasoline in it. They then sell your neighbor the same model for $20,000 less and offer you a credit for free oil change with your next Porsche purchase. :p

thomasfxlt
Nov 10, 2007, 12:59 PM
Except the engine dies 4 out of 5 times when you reach a certain speed, and Porsche tells you they can't take responsibility because you tried to put your own gasoline in it. They then sell your neighbor the same model for $20,000 less and offer you a credit for free oil change with your next Porsche purchase. :p

Sounds pretty much like the development cycle of most American products...;)

overcast
Nov 10, 2007, 02:01 PM
Except the engine dies 4 out of 5 times when you reach a certain speed, and Porsche tells you they can't take responsibility because you tried to put your own gasoline in it. They then sell your neighbor the same model for $20,000 less and offer you a credit for free oil change with your next Porsche purchase. :p
No it's more like a very small minority of people who have no idea what is going on under the hood modify the engine. Then it dies, Porsche tells them they can't take responsibility for what they've done, and then they come on public forums like a bunch of cry babies. Then like the product life cycle of ANYTHING else on the entire planet, they offer models for less money than when they first came out. You should be so lucky they offered ANYTHING.

overcast
Nov 10, 2007, 02:02 PM
The iPhone has a gorgeous display. Why do I want 0.3MP photos from friends clogging it up?!

Don't be ridiculous, MMS is a no brainer.

thegman1234
Nov 10, 2007, 02:09 PM
Not sure if anyone else is having this problem, but my iPhone won't take the update. Yes I rezipped the folder and renamed it as a .ipsw. Anyone have a clue?

guzhogi
Nov 10, 2007, 02:30 PM
I have a suspicion that this is not a real iPhone update. I checked the link's address and it is. http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iPhone/061-4037.20071107.5Bghn/iPhone1,1_1.1.2_3B48b_Restore.ipsw

Note what's in between the http:// and the first slash: appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net. If this WERE from Apple, it wouldn't have the .edgesuite.net. Besides, if this update is genuine, why do you have to download it at all & not just go through iTunes? So update this at your own risk.

CWallace
Nov 10, 2007, 02:33 PM
I am starting to wonder if Apple has delayed releasing 1.1.2 through iTunes on purpose. Jailbreaking 1.1.2 has already gotten pretty far which would mean that likely within a few days there would be an easy jailbreaking process. On top of that there is the emergence of free ringtones again. Could Apple be applying a quick fix to one or both of these issues before releasing it through iTunes in the US?

Well custom ringtones is a 1.1.2 update because while iTunes 7.5 will load and list an AAC file with a .m4r extension as a ringtone, it will not copy it to a 1.1.1 phone.

Now since at least France has to have an open-contract iPhone, could this be something specific to the EU? Perhaps the EU either requires "user supplied" ringtones under law or the RIAA contracts that (some claim) prevent them here in the US does not apply to the EU, so they can get free ringtones?

thegman1234
Nov 10, 2007, 02:46 PM
Not sure if anyone else is having this problem, but my iPhone won't take the update. Yes I rezipped the folder and renamed it as a .ipsw. Anyone have a clue?

Never mind I got it to work.

EagerDragon
Nov 10, 2007, 03:27 PM
I have a suspicion that this is not a real iPhone update. I checked the link's address and it is. http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iPhone/061-4037.20071107.5Bghn/iPhone1,1_1.1.2_3B48b_Restore.ipsw

Note what's in between the http:// and the first slash: appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net. If this WERE from Apple, it wouldn't have the .edgesuite.net. Besides, if this update is genuine, why do you have to download it at all & not just go through iTunes? So update this at your own risk.

LOL, it is probably ok as Apple host these externally, but it would be real funny if this was malware ....... ROLMAO.

Shasterball
Nov 10, 2007, 04:01 PM
I'm waiting for this update to appear in iTunes.

I couldn't agree more. Plus, who's in a rush to limit their phone? Not me!

(L)
Nov 10, 2007, 04:58 PM
I have a suspicion that this is not a real iPhone update. I checked the link's address and it is. http://appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net/content.info.apple.com/iPhone/061-4037.20071107.5Bghn/iPhone1,1_1.1.2_3B48b_Restore.ipsw

Note what's in between the http:// and the first slash: appldnld.apple.com.edgesuite.net. If this WERE from Apple, it wouldn't have the .edgesuite.net. Besides, if this update is genuine, why do you have to download it at all & not just go through iTunes? So update this at your own risk.

Plus, what's going on? Previous rumor pointed to an update via iTunes by Friday. Friday came and went, and all we get is this DIY sketchy thing? Anybody who's installed it - can you verify that it really is a legitimate Apple update?

claytonaugust
Nov 10, 2007, 05:56 PM
No it's more like a very small minority of people who have no idea what is going on under the hood modify the engine. Then it dies, Porsche tells them they can't take responsibility for what they've done, and then they come on public forums like a bunch of cry babies. Then like the product life cycle of ANYTHING else on the entire planet, they offer models for less money than when they first came out. You should be so lucky they offered ANYTHING.

Haha, actually I don't care that much about it. I bought my iPhone the day after the price drop was announced. Also, it's completely stock, not jailbroken or unlocked...that doesn't change the fact that Safari & iPod don't play nice, or that it locks up at random times... But thank you for being an upright protector of the good name of Apple.

Fuchal
Nov 10, 2007, 05:57 PM
Plus, what's going on? Previous rumor pointed to an update via iTunes by Friday. Friday came and went, and all we get is this DIY sketchy thing? Anybody who's installed it - can you verify that it really is a legitimate Apple update?


The URL is legit. Edgesuite is an Akamai name.

This is the stock firmware of the international iPhones and is online for all the Euro iTunes users to be able to restore their iPhones if they need to. It's not an update to the US iPhone.

There will be an update to the US iPhone (and Euro) soon enough.

megfilmworks
Nov 10, 2007, 06:02 PM
Where is the official word that this is a US update? Just because MacRumors posted it?

(L)
Nov 10, 2007, 06:36 PM
The URL is legit. Edgesuite is an Akamai name.

This is the stock firmware of the international iPhones and is online for all the Euro iTunes users to be able to restore their iPhones if they need to. It's not an update to the US iPhone.

There will be an update to the US iPhone (and Euro) soon enough.

Thanks, I guess. But since I'm guilty of not knowing what "Akamai" is, I have no idea what you mean. The thing is, I *think* it's legitimate, and that I can wait a day or two until they've put up the real update, but I was wondering if someone could explicitly show that this is real rather than just restate what everybody thinks.

And what happened to the one rumored to become available Friday through iTunes?

ElBerserko
Nov 10, 2007, 06:49 PM
Where is the official word that this is a US update? Just because MacRumors posted it?

There is no official word. Someone just found the European restore file and people took that as the "release".

For those that are unsure if the update is legit, go to http://itunes.com/version and you will see all the URLs for downloading these files. Apple uses Akamai's edgesuite.net for all the downloads. Also notice the URL it forwards you to.

iTunes updates work by suggesting a version as the newest based on what you are currently running. Below is all the builds known by iTunes and what version you will be asked to update to if you are running that build.

1A543a -> 3A109a (1.1.1)
1C25 -> 3A109a (1.1.1)
1C27 -> 3A109a (1.1.1)
1C28 -> 3A109a (1.1.1)
3A101a -> 3A109a (1.1.1)
3A109a -> 3A109a (1.1.1)
3B48a -> 3B48b (1.1.2)
3B48b -> 3B48b (1.1.2)
Unknown -> 3B48b (1.1.2)

This tells us that all iPhones that are not currently running 1.1.2 should be updated to 1.1.1. Also, if your phone is hosed and it can't figure out the version you are currently running, you get 1.1.2. For that reason I do not think it is bad for US phones to run 1.1.2.

It seems obvious that Apple does not intend to release 1.1.2 to US iPhones just yet, or even at all officially though iTunes. If they do not, I suspect another update is coming very soon.

Fuchal
Nov 10, 2007, 09:59 PM
I'm guilty of not knowing what "Akamai" is

Akamai is basically a massive web hosting company that Apple uses to deliver it's files on the internet - it mirrors the file across servers located throughout the world to ensure that download speeds are fast and the servers are never full.

(L)
Nov 10, 2007, 10:29 PM
Akamai is basically a massive web hosting company that Apple uses to deliver it's files on the internet - it mirrors the file across servers located throughout the world to ensure that download speeds are fast and the servers are never full.

Thanks. Also thanks to ElBerserko. That makes more sense now.

I guess 1.1.2 was just pushed out the door in time for the European release, then?

timish
Nov 10, 2007, 10:32 PM
Wasn't the first clue to ANYONE looking at this that it is a BETA release??

There's a damn "b" in the release file name.

Tim

pooryou
Nov 10, 2007, 10:39 PM
It's definitely not a beta.

timish
Nov 10, 2007, 10:45 PM
It's definitely not a beta.

And what does the b in the file name historically mean when attached to a software release?

"Brick"??

LOL
:D

psingh01
Nov 10, 2007, 11:08 PM
Thanks, I guess. But since I'm guilty of not knowing what "Akamai" is, I have no idea what you mean. The thing is, I *think* it's legitimate, and that I can wait a day or two until they've put up the real update, but I was wondering if someone could explicitly show that this is real rather than just restate what everybody thinks.

And what happened to the one rumored to become available Friday through iTunes?

Akamai is the company Apple uses to hosts it's files: firmware updates, downloads, quicktime movies, itunes songs. Their infrastructure is setup to handle the requirements of moving large files to many users. They provide a service to many companies on the web, Apple being one of them.

olegandbuster25
Nov 10, 2007, 11:38 PM
im kinda confused,
if i did download 1.1.2 from that link does taht mean when it gets realeased on itunes it wl reupdate it adnt might be different,
does that also mean that the vesrsion i have right now is less secure adn easier to hack??

pamon
Nov 11, 2007, 03:11 AM
i'm not seeing the update on the firmware. i'm sticking w/ 1.1.1 on mine and wait to see if 1.1.2 ever gets offically released by apple vs a link on their servers. Seems like if they wanted to update the US iphones, they do a better job to release the firmware on itunes vs a remote akamai link.

diamond.g
Nov 11, 2007, 07:03 AM
i'm not seeing the update on the firmware. i'm sticking w/ 1.1.1 on mine and wait to see if 1.1.2 ever gets offically released by apple vs a link on their servers. Seems like if they wanted to update the US iphones, they do a better job to release the firmware on itunes vs a remote akamai link.

1.1.2 isnt for US yet. That is why it doesnt show up in iTunes.

zac4mac
Nov 11, 2007, 07:29 AM
Page loads are quite fast.
Does seem faster, typing seems to be more precise.
Thanks, Europe, for the update.

Z

daze
Nov 11, 2007, 01:36 PM
For everything the iPhone doesn't do, there is a list of 10 things no other phone has ever done. I'm more than happy with mine as are many millions of other people buying them. Perfect, no.... but on the road to being the best handheld device ever....by a wide margin. That's my opinion, delivered respectfully and without a bunch of misdirected anger.

Nicely put. Thank you.

If you anyone has qualms about the iPhone, please do me and yourself a favour... Take your business elsewhere because nothing is perfect. Let's just enjoy the ride.

Peace.

Bernie-Mac
Nov 11, 2007, 01:37 PM
Except the engine dies 4 out of 5 times when you reach a certain speed, and Porsche tells you they can't take responsibility because you tried to put your own gasoline in it. They then sell your neighbor the same model for $20,000 less and offer you a credit for free oil change with your next Porsche purchase. :p

Thats why you buy a Corvette Z06:D

Love
Nov 11, 2007, 06:34 PM
Stupid questions deserve stupid answers:
Does it work for iTouch?

Working on it :)

s8film40
Nov 11, 2007, 07:00 PM
The iPhone ringtone renaming method isn't working for me. I have iTunes 7.5 and 1.1.2 and have tried every combination of renaming and resizing I can think of. I also tried using Makeiphoneringtone still no luck I don't undersdand why this is working so easily for others but not for me.

Assman
Nov 11, 2007, 11:06 PM
enough with this 1.1.2 talk already, it's a european release. Anyways, got tired of Apple's $2 per ring policy, appsnapped my phone, installed iphoneringtonemaker and I'm happy. apple can now kiss my a$$ :)

overcast
Nov 11, 2007, 11:07 PM
enough with this 1.1.2 talk already, it's a european release. Anyways, got tired of Apple's $2 per ring policy, appsnapped my phone, installed iphoneringtonemaker and I'm happy. apple can now kiss my a$$ :)
Yeh you tell them! Take it to the man!

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Assman
Nov 11, 2007, 11:14 PM
decided to install appsnapp yesterday, could be more easier, just tunr off auto-lock in settings general for the installation process. Less than a minute I was able to modify iphone as i wish. Installed iphoneringtonemaker and it's unbelievebly easy to use, one time $15 fee and you got custom ringtones for life.

zac4mac
Nov 12, 2007, 06:17 AM
Same 15 dollar deal with iToner.

You don't have to appsnap first tho.
No muss no fuss

Thank you again Mr. Andrew Welch

Ya know, it's a small thing, but I really like the charge indicator fir the phone in iTunes. Don't have to wake up the phone to see if it's charged.

Thanks Apple, Thanks Europe for the weird laws that forced this openness.

Z

Divindude
Nov 12, 2007, 06:36 AM
The iPhone ringtone renaming method isn't working for me. I have iTunes 7.5 and 1.1.2 and have tried every combination of renaming and resizing I can think of. I also tried using Makeiphoneringtone still no luck I don't undersdand why this is working so easily for others but not for me.

It is easy the one trick you need to remember is to NOT have another song anywhere in your library with the same name. Your .m4r file name must be unique.

erzeszut
Nov 12, 2007, 11:04 AM
So, I took a chance this AM and downloaded the 1.1.2 firmware via the Akamai link.

Option-clicked on the Update button in iTunes, pointed it to the .ipsw file, and it updated without a hitch.

I can also confirm that the ringtone methods described here work perfectly. I just made seven or eight ringtones from songs in my iTunes library by:

--Dragging the desired songs from iTunes to the Desktop.
--In GarageBand, trimmed the songs to the 15-20 seconds I wanted. Also used the Track Volume controls to fade out the song at the end.
--Used the Share >> Export Song to Disc command and saved the files as "Good Quality" AACs.
--Renamed each file to change the .m4a extension to .m4r.
--Dragged the files into the iTunes library. They automatically went into the Ringtones listing.
--Connected the iPhone, and all of my newly-created ringtones appear in the "Custom" section.

Not a bad process, similar to what I used to do with my Treo 700p to make my own ringtones.

And the 1.1.2 firmware is not just for European users. As other US users have pointed out on this thread, if you do a Restore in iTunes you get the 1.1.2 version.

Not sure why Apple is holding it back from the "Update" button in the US; probably trying to get through the European launch first. But the firmware is the same, and those of you hesitant about upgrading, all I can say is that it worked perfectly for me.

Hopefully, free custom ringtones are here to stay.

pacohaas
Nov 12, 2007, 11:31 AM
Not sure why Apple is holding it back from the "Update" button in the US; My guess is the same as many on this board, Apple will release a better update soon that actually affects US users(other than the charging icon and TIFF fix) and they might feel it's too much to ask iPhone users to update Firmware twice in one month.

drummingcraig
Nov 12, 2007, 01:16 PM
I can also confirm that the ringtone methods described here work perfectly. I just made seven or eight ringtones from songs in my iTunes library by:

--Dragging the desired songs from iTunes to the Desktop.
--In GarageBand, trimmed the songs to the 15-20 seconds I wanted. Also used the Track Volume controls to fade out the song at the end.
--Used the Share >> Export Song to Disc command and saved the files as "Good Quality" AACs.
--Renamed each file to change the .m4a extension to .m4r.
--Dragged the files into the iTunes library. They automatically went into the Ringtones listing.
--Connected the iPhone, and all of my newly-created ringtones appear in the "Custom" section.

Not a bad process, similar to what I used to do with my Treo 700p to make my own ringtones.



SO...I did this very same process and got the RT to appear in the iTunes RingTone library. However, I can not select it to sync to my iPhone in the Phone controls window.

Any ideas?

Craig

*EDIT* Nevermind...I figured it out. I had made it too long. :)

Yay for free ringtones!!!! :)

Assman
Nov 12, 2007, 01:54 PM
Same 15 dollar deal with iToner.

You don't have to appsnap first tho.
No muss no fuss

with iphoneringtonemaker you don't have to appsnapp (jailbreak) either, I just appsnapped so that I can mod my :apple:phone

erzeszut
Nov 12, 2007, 03:01 PM
My guess is the same as many on this board, Apple will release a better update soon that actually affects US users(other than the charging icon and TIFF fix) and they might feel it's too much to ask iPhone users to update Firmware twice in one month.

Hmm. Well I can't speak for everyone. But the ability to "roll your own" ringtones HUGELY affects this US user.

If a US-revised 1.1.2, or 1.1.3 update breaks this ability, and removes homemade ringtones, I'll likely skip it. Hanging on to this downloaded 1.1.2 for now! :)

yagrax
Nov 12, 2007, 03:55 PM
I'm a die-hard iPhone user, but I'm not upgrading anymore (including this piddlely release) unless I see real improvements in the iPhone usability department, and not left-over quasi-European features. Apple needs to step up already, been nearly 6 months since the initial release.

1) Sync my darn Outlook notes already. Treo used to.

2) Cut & Paste. Treo used to.

3) Games. Treo had these

4) SMS with everyline timestamped, and not wasting space with bubble pop-ups (so 12 year old-ish) Treo had this.

5) Video playlists where the videos keep playing by themselves one after another. Treo didn't have this, but my iPod30gVideo did.

6) LOUDER SPEAKERPHONE FOR US GEN-Xers THAT ARE NEARLY-DEAF ALREADY Treo had this.

7) Phone Recents improved with breakout of Missed, Made, Taken calls and timestamps on each one.



I love my iPhone, don't get me wrong, just want some basic improvements made to push my experience over the top.

kainjow
Nov 12, 2007, 04:09 PM
I just checked for updates and 1.1.2 is now available in iTunes. Downloading now...

walnuts
Nov 12, 2007, 04:15 PM
I just checked for updates and 1.1.2 is now available in iTunes. Downloading now...

It also showed up on mine as well just now.

Hey can anyone confirm- I'm at work and won't be at home (where all my music and movies sync from) until the next day or so... if I update will it wipe everything? It would suck to be without music for 2 days

olegandbuster25
Nov 12, 2007, 04:30 PM
how do u make custom ringtones with windows??

olegandbuster25
Nov 12, 2007, 04:32 PM
when will the new hack come out
i cant wait

olegandbuster25
Nov 12, 2007, 04:34 PM
It also showed up on mine as well just now.

Hey can anyone confirm- I'm at work and won't be at home (where all my music and movies sync from) until the next day or so... if I update will it wipe everything? It would suck to be without music for 2 days

yeh it would all be erased
wait till u get home
the update isnt that special anyways

erzeszut
Nov 12, 2007, 04:37 PM
how do u make custom ringtones with windows??

You need some software to edit the MP3/AAC files, to pick out the 30 seconds or less you want to use.

Once you do that, if the file is an AAC (.m4a extension) just rename it to .m4r and drag it back into iTunes.

If it is an MP3 file, put it in iTunes, convert it to AAC, drag the converted AAC file back out of iTunes, rename the extension as described above, then drag it back in.

Files have to be AAC, and they have to have the extension .m4r. And they have to be under 30 seconds.

Other people in this thread have reported that the ringtones have to have a unique name, not the same name as another song in your Library. I have not experienced that; most of my ringtones are named the same as the original files, and they work just fine.

erzeszut
Nov 12, 2007, 04:38 PM
yeh it would all be erased
wait till u get home
the update isnt that special anyways

Incorrect. Updating the firmware (assuming everything works correctly) does NOT wipe your iPhone.

Of course, if the update pukes in the middle, you may have to restore. But I didn't.

And the ability to add custom ringtones without paying Apple is huge for me. Been making ringtones all day. :rolleyes:

walnuts
Nov 12, 2007, 04:46 PM
yeh it would all be erased
wait till u get home
the update isnt that special anyways

Thanks- that would have been a real let down.

walnuts
Nov 12, 2007, 04:50 PM
Incorrect. Updating the firmware (assuming everything works correctly) does NOT wipe your iPhone.

Of course, if the update pukes in the middle, you may have to restore. But I didn't.



Thanks to you too- but it may not be worth the effort/risk for me

olegandbuster25
Nov 12, 2007, 04:53 PM
You need some software to edit the MP3/AAC files, to pick out the 30 seconds or less you want to use.

Once you do that, if the file is an AAC (.m4a extension) just rename it to .m4r and drag it back into iTunes.

If it is an MP3 file, put it in iTunes, convert it to AAC, drag the converted AAC file back out of iTunes, rename the extension as described above, then drag it back in.

Files have to be AAC, and they have to have the extension .m4r. And they have to be under 30 seconds.

Other people in this thread have reported that the ringtones have to have a unique name, not the same name as another song in your Library. I have not experienced that; most of my ringtones are named the same as the original files, and they work just fine.

thanks, that makes sense cuz it wont let me do it right now without cuting the songs to 30 sec, or less
now i just have to find a software to do that for me

mac-convert
Nov 12, 2007, 04:55 PM
thanks, that makes sense cuz it wont let me do it right now without cuting the songs to 30 sec, or less
now i just have to find a software to do that for me

That would be called Garageband...

olegandbuster25
Nov 12, 2007, 05:10 PM
That would be called Garageband...
i dont think there is garage band for windows, is there ?

olegandbuster25
Nov 12, 2007, 05:10 PM
umm how do i cnvert songs to acc files in itunes

olegandbuster25
Nov 12, 2007, 05:45 PM
HOLY CRAP
this took a lot of work but i finally made a ringtone
im soooooo exited
its awesome

pacohaas
Nov 12, 2007, 05:47 PM
i dont think there is garage band for windows, is there ?

allow me to quote myself:iToner is not necessary now with 7.5 and 1.1.2 you can just rename mp4's to m4r and drag them to your library without needing itoner. I don't think mp3s will work but you can convert them with iTunes. You can even use the start and end tags before converting and make your ringtone that way by selecting a section that is less than 30 seconds.

olegandbuster25
Nov 12, 2007, 07:23 PM
allow me to quote myself:


sorry i dont get your point
lol

rynox77
Nov 12, 2007, 10:55 PM
sorry i dont get your point
lol

Posted this on another thread... There is a program for Windows users called WavePad (I'll let you google it) that will let you do a ton of audio editing.

olegandbuster25
Nov 12, 2007, 11:11 PM
Posted this on another thread... There is a program for Windows users called WavePad (I'll let you google it) that will let you do a ton of audio editing.

Thanks, I got it, and it works great

pacohaas
Nov 13, 2007, 09:12 AM
sorry i dont get your point
lol

I was quoting a solution that does not require Garageband, just iTunes, and therefore will work on both Macs and Windows.

aceducy
Nov 15, 2007, 08:17 PM
I'm a die-hard iPhone user, but I'm not upgrading anymore (including this piddlely release) unless I see real improvements in the iPhone usability department, and not left-over quasi-European features. Apple needs to step up already, been nearly 6 months since the initial release.

1) Sync my darn Outlook notes already. Treo used to.

2) Cut & Paste. Treo used to.

3) Games. Treo had these

4) SMS with everyline timestamped, and not wasting space with bubble pop-ups (so 12 year old-ish) Treo had this.

5) Video playlists where the videos keep playing by themselves one after another. Treo didn't have this, but my iPod30gVideo did.

6) LOUDER SPEAKERPHONE FOR US GEN-Xers THAT ARE NEARLY-DEAF ALREADY Treo had this.

7) Phone Recents improved with breakout of Missed, Made, Taken calls and timestamps on each one.



I love my iPhone, don't get me wrong, just want some basic improvements made to push my experience over the top.

Give that man a cigar. I mean, there can only be SO much in-fighting and bickering at Apple from the Success Prevention Team. Who could still possibly be with the company that fought these features?

This stuff is basic. Routine. Simple to fix. Problem is if Apple fixes it, then somebody over there is going to have to eat crow because it wasn't right to begin with. Put another way, your iPhone isn't being updated because of someone's (some individuals') ego.

Thus is the basic business premise that you (Steve Jobs) never hire your relatives - especially for design, production and engineering work

I can hear the conversation now when Steve's sister calls him and says: "YOU AZZHOLE - you fired my husband because he put those cute little bubbles on the SMS thingie - I want you to know those were MY ideas and that all the ladies at the social club came up with"!

optophobia
Nov 20, 2007, 10:30 AM
No other software needed.

I created an EASY step by step instruction site with photos for everyone to make ringtones

:)HERE (http://freeitunesringtone.blogspot.com/):)

pacohaas
Nov 20, 2007, 10:32 AM
No other software needed.

I created an EASY step by step instruction site with photos for everyone to make ringtones

:)HERE (http://freeitunesringtone.blogspot.com/):)

yup, exactly what I said 2 weeks ago in this thread