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Phatpat
Sep 16, 2003, 07:37 PM
I just got home from the Woodfield Apple Store and am now installing software updates on my 15" 1.25ghz Powerbook. I'm a tad bit excited. Any questions for me? I want to explore this :-) I already noticed that there is a bluetooth keyboard and mouse control panel under system preferences. I'm running 10.2.7 (6R55) I've gotten many others to switch, but now I am finally a switcher! What should I do? What do you guys do when you get a new mac?

dhdave
Sep 16, 2003, 07:50 PM
Bother absolutely everyone I know telling them about it and stay up all night. But that's just me. LOL

dh

weev
Sep 16, 2003, 07:52 PM
Can you post xbench results?
(http://www.xbench.com/)

Anna
Sep 16, 2003, 08:02 PM
Hey...I am going to buy one too but I need a few questions answered

1: What HD did you get (speed) and is it too slow

2: Does it run hot?

3: Do you think I should wait till 10.3 comes out to get that bundled

4: is DVD burning speed slow

5: if you press the back of the lid, is there marks on the LCD screen

6: Did you stick with 512mb of RAM

thanks!

Phatpat
Sep 16, 2003, 08:11 PM
XBench Results

Results 103.72
System Info
Xbench Version 1.1.1
System Version 10.2.7 (6R55)
Physical RAM 512 MB
Model PowerBook5,2
Processor PowerPC G4 @ 1.25 GHz
L1 Cache 32K (instruction), 32K (data)
L2 Cache 512K @ 1.25 GHz
Bus Frequency 167 MHz
Video Card ATY,RV350M10
Drive Type FUJITSU MHT2080AT
CPU Test 149.29
GCD Loop 145.19 5.67 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic 150.32 543.62 Mflop/sec
AltiVec Basic 150.31 4.37 Gflop/sec
vecLib FFT 150.36 2.33 Gflop/sec
Floating Point Library 150.42 6.02 Mops/sec
Thread Test 79.35
Computation 77.42 619.84 Kops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention 81.39 1.02 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test 114.64
System 114.14
Allocate 152.49 102.83 Kalloc/sec
Fill 148.72 1183.85 MB/sec
Copy 76.91 384.53 MB/sec
Stream 115.14
Copy 122.66 896.63 MB/sec [altivec]
Scale 124.70 920.31 MB/sec [altivec]
Add 112.59 720.60 MB/sec [altivec]
Triad 103.24 630.81 MB/sec [altivec]
Quartz Graphics Test 142.37
Line 134.76 3.43 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle 125.82 8.85 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle 149.16 3.44 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier 139.13 1.51 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text 170.63 2.78 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test 99.80
Spinning Squares 99.80 69.84 frames/sec
User Interface Test 129.30
Elements 129.30 41.59 refresh/sec
Disk Test 68.08
Sequential 79.64
Uncached Write 75.11 29.90 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 70.25 27.42 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 123.08 19.48 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 68.72 27.77 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 59.45
Uncached Write 68.16 0.97 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 55.22 12.45 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 53.76 0.35 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 62.89 12.94 MB/sec [256K blocks]

Freg3000
Sep 16, 2003, 08:15 PM
So 10.2.7 is definitely required for USB 2. All I'd also like to know how hot it gets now, although I'd think that it would only get warm now.

Kudos to Apple. Same day! SAME DAY!!! :)

Phatpat
Sep 16, 2003, 08:15 PM
I got the standard hard drive, 80gb, 4200rpm. Seems fine so far.

Heat: Wrist rests don't seem any warmer than room temp. Underside behind the keyboard is a little warm, but not uncomfortable.

Get it now, it rocks :-)

Haven't burned any dvd's yet, yet

If you press the back of the lcd there you can't tell by looking at the screen. No marks.

Got standard 512mb ram, fine for now, I'll upgrade later if I feel the need.

Oh, and this keyboard rocks. I love the feel of this powerbook over the old titaniums. Sound seems better too.

QCassidy352
Sep 16, 2003, 08:30 PM
aaah, I'm so jealous... congrats dude. That's just awesome. :)

hillel
Sep 16, 2003, 08:35 PM
Hi, which hd did you get - 4200 or 5400? how about heat and noise? I'd like to get some advice about which drive to get? I don't download a lot of big data files, so I'm wondering if it makes sense to get the slower drive - IF it's quieter and cooler. Hillel

jwdawso
Sep 16, 2003, 08:46 PM
Does it have any L3 cache? Is the processor identified as a 7457 or 7447? Can you include a dump from System Profiler (in the /Applications/Utilities folder)?

Phatpat
Sep 16, 2003, 09:30 PM
---------------------------------------------------
System Profile
---------------------------------------------------
Software Overview:
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| |
| System version : Mac OS X 10.2.7 (6R55) |
| Boot volume : |
| Kernel version : Darwin Kernel Version 6.7: Wed Aug 13 20:21:32 PDT 2003; root:xnu/xnu-344.47.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC |
| |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
Hardware Overview:
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| |
| Machine speed : 1.250 Ghz |
| Bus speed : 167 MHz |
| Number of processors : 1 |
| L2 cache size : 512K |
| Machine model : PowerBook5,2 (version = 1.1) |
| Boot ROM info : 4.7.1f1 |
| Customer serial number : V73362WJ-NRZ |
| Sales order number : Not available |
| |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
Memory Overview:
Location Type Size
SODIMM0/J25LOWER DDR SDRAM 256 MB
SODIMM1/J25UPPER DDR SDRAM 256 MB
Network Overview:
SLOT-B:
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| |
| Flags : 0x8863<Up,Broadcast,b6,Running,Simplex,Multicast> |
| Ethernet address : 00.03.93.EF.BF.3B |
| IP : 10.0.1.2 |
| Subnet Mask : 255.255.255.0 |
| Broadcast : 10.0.1.255 |
| |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
Built-in:
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| |
| Flags : 0x8863<Up,Broadcast,b6,Running,Simplex,Multicast> |
| Ethernet address : 00.0A.95.D7.E3.54 |
| IP : 192.168.1.100 |
| Subnet Mask : 255.255.255.0 |
| Broadcast : 192.168.1.255 |
| |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
---------------------------------------------------
Devices and Volumes
---------------------------------------------------
PCI:
built-in AGP:
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| |
| Card Type : ATY,DDParent |
| Card Name : ATY,JasperParent |
| Card Model : ATY,RV350M10 |
| Vendor ID : 1002 |
| Device ID : 4e50 |
| ROM# : 113-xxxxx-117 |
| Revision : 0 |
| Card (Video) Memory : 64 MB |
| |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
SLOT-B:
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| |
| Card Type : Not available |
| Card Name : pci80211 |
| Card Model : Not available |
| Vendor ID : 14e4 |
| Device ID : 4320 |
| ROM# : Not available |
| Revision : 2 |
| |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
PC Card:
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| |
| Card Type : cardbus |
| Card Name : cardbus |
| Card Model : TXN,PCIXXXX-00 |
| Vendor ID : 104c |
| Device ID : ac56 |
| ROM# : Not available |
| Revision : 0 |
| |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
USB Information:
USB Bus 0:
USB Bus 1:
USB Bus 2:
USB Bus 3:
Bluetooth HCI:
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| |
| Product ID : 33283 ($8203) |
| Vendor ID : 1452 |
| Device Speed : Full |
| Power (mA) : 500 |
| |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
FireWire Information:
No FireWire devices found.:
Bus:
CD-RW/DVD-R:
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| |
| Disc Burning : Fully supported. |
| Unit Number : 0 |
| ATA Device Type : atapi |
| Device Serial : |
| Device Revision : DXJ3 |
| Product Identification : DVD-R UJ-816 |
| Vendor Identification : MAT****A |
| |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
Hard Drive:
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| |
| Disk Size : 74.53 GB (1K = 1024) 81 GB (1K = 1000) |
| Device Serial : NN4CT3812YK5 |
| Unit Number : 0 |
| ATA Device Type : ata |
| Device Model : FUJITSU MHT2080AT |
| Device Revision : 8162 |
| |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
Macintosh HD:
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
| |
| Volume Size : 74.52 GB (1K = 1024) 81 GB (1K = 1000) |
| Ejectable : No |
| Writable : Yes |
| |
+----------------------------------------------------------------------+

Phatpat
Sep 16, 2003, 09:31 PM
I love this this computer! Very quiet under normal conditions, runs dvds really well. Go Apple! Glad to be a switcher.

MacUser1
Sep 16, 2003, 09:58 PM
mines on the way, but...must see pics!

KBFinFan
Sep 16, 2003, 10:08 PM
Very jealous.. maybe I should have gone to the Apple Store instead of ordering online?

It's that cursed 1 DIMM of 512 RAM I asked for...

Let's see some pictures and ENJOY!

G4scott
Sep 16, 2003, 10:18 PM
I wonder if the 15" has the same, mid-range enhancing speaker that the 12" PowerBook has...

I'm hoping to maybe get a 15" PowerBook on their next revision. I just got my 12" PowerBook in January, and I love it to death. I just wish I had a bigger screen, but I'm looking into buying a nice digital/analog LCD, such as the Samsung 151T (which they don't make anymore :mad: It was a good display!)

I think I could use a bigger display for my CS classes later on. For now, I love the portability of my 12" PowerBook.

alia
Sep 16, 2003, 10:19 PM
I, too, am interested in whether the 5400 rpm hard drive is too hot, or eats up too much batteries. I'm a designer, so I do a lot of graphics heavy work, in which the faster drive would come in handy.

If anyone gets a 5400 rpm drive, let us know how hot it gets!

Alia

hacurio1
Sep 16, 2003, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by Phatpat
I just got home from the Woodfield Apple Store and am now installing software updates on my 15" 1.25ghz Powerbook. I'm a tad bit excited. Any questions for me? I want to explore this :-) I already noticed that there is a bluetooth keyboard and mouse control panel under system preferences. I'm running 10.2.7 (6R55) I've gotten many others to switch, but now I am finally a switcher! What should I do? What do you guys do when you get a new mac?

yeah...please post some pics. Also, what battery life does it have. please be specific on the energy settings (highest performance, or long batery life)

thanks

Powerbook G5
Sep 16, 2003, 10:40 PM
As far as the 3rd speaker, according to the specs page on Apple, it does indeed have the mid-range speaker like the 12". I, too, would like to know how the 5400 RPM disk performs since I also got the upgrade. There seems to be no L3, though, from the specs listed on the page and the system profiler. I do hope you enjoy your PowerBook, I cannot wait for mine next week! The three things I really want to know, though, are how hot it gets after a few hours of use, how often the fan kicks in, and how long your battery lasts (real world and not Apple "ideal"). Besides that, it looks pretty good!

mstecker
Sep 16, 2003, 10:50 PM
I made a special trip today over to the Apple Store in SoHo (NYC), and they didn't have any of the new hardware at all :(

In the end, this was probably best for my bank account.

hillel
Sep 16, 2003, 11:01 PM
I'd like to hear a bit more from people who have 1 - 512 Ram and people who have 2. Does this make a big heat difference? I love to keep a lot of applications open, so I was thinking about getting 2 512 Ram.

And a biggie for me - The touchpad. With my G3, the base of my thumb never leans on the touchpad, which is a little depressed from the keyboard. But when I used a friends earlier Titanum 15 inch and also the ibook, my thumb base kept hitting the touchpad and the cursor kept jumping all over the place making typing really a drag. (of course I had the preferences fixed to turn off touchpad sensitity while typing, but that didn't matter.)

Any feedback about the touchpad on the new models would be great!

DakotaGuy
Sep 16, 2003, 11:35 PM
Originally posted by Phatpat
CPU Test 149.29
GCD Loop 145.19 5.67 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic 150.32 543.62 Mflop/sec
AltiVec Basic 150.31 4.37 Gflop/sec
vecLib FFT 150.36 2.33 Gflop/sec
Floating Point Library 150.42 6.02 Mops/sec
Thread Test 79.35
Computation 77.42 619.84 Kops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention 81.39 1.02 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test 114.64
System 114.14
Allocate 152.49 102.83 Kalloc/sec
Fill 148.72 1183.85 MB/sec
Copy 76.91 384.53 MB/sec
Stream 115.14
Copy 122.66 896.63 MB/sec [altivec]
Scale 124.70 920.31 MB/sec [altivec]
Add 112.59 720.60 MB/sec [altivec]
Triad 103.24 630.81 MB/sec [altivec]


The CPU and memory test look good, especially the CPU, this new improved G4 looks like a strong processor.

Powerbook G5
Sep 16, 2003, 11:41 PM
How does it compare to the G4 in the Ti? I have yet to own a G4 anything so I am not sure what its score was compared to this one.

Powerbook G5
Sep 16, 2003, 11:45 PM
I have a question now that I think about it...I remember when the 12"/17" PowerBooks came out, there were quite a few defects with the lid not closing flush and battery not sitting flush with the units. How does yours look? Any defects with either yours or the demo units at the store?

Phatpat
Sep 17, 2003, 12:17 AM
The battery on the powerbook stays very flush with the bottom of the case. On the 500mhz tibook my dad has the batter would come out easily (too easily), but this one requires a coin/screwdriver to take out, which I prefer. Battery life seems great. Haven't tried watching a dvd, but I've been using safari/itunes/ichat/dreamweaver for about an hour and a half and the battery indicator shows 63% left. The touchpad seems great, I actually like it better than the older ones. Pics will come, but probably not till tomorrow. I'm gonna try this thing out for games now.

cb911
Sep 17, 2003, 12:23 AM
hey Phatpat!! congrats!!:D when i first got my TiBook i just spent time setting up the partitions and then changing all the icons etc. getting themes and messing with the dock and stuff. but i doubt you'll get sick of the look of OS X, so you shouldn't need the themes until later. ;) :D

and can you test WarCraft III on it? i realy want to see how that runs, as that's the only game i have really played on my TiBook.

it is good that Apple could release it the same day... but it would even have been better if they could do that here in Australia. i was talking to an Apple Store and they said it could be two weeks!!!:eek: i can't wait that long!!:mad: :rolleyes: i wonder if Europe has the same availability problems?:confused:

Phatpat
Sep 17, 2003, 12:40 AM
Warcraft III and Unreal Tournament 2k3 are the games I was gonna test imminently. Looking forward to it :)

Can anyone interpret the XBench results for me? Thanks!

macphoria
Sep 17, 2003, 02:39 AM
No questions. Just a comment. YOU SUCK! I am so jealous!

andyjamesnelson
Sep 17, 2003, 05:17 AM
please let us know how hot the model runs after 5 hours of hard work.. i.e video rendering etc.. does the model have fans? are they always on? how loud is the model at startup and then whilst in normal use? and as a last point does the 15 inch PB feel portable? or does it seem to big to carry around? thanks andy.

cb911
Sep 17, 2003, 07:19 AM
i'm looking forward to seeing how those games run, should be very good. :D

i don't really know how to interpret the xBench results, but here is a page that shows the results of a 1GHz Titanium PowerBook (http://ladd.dyndns.org/xbench/merge.xhtml?doc1=31781). hope that page helps. here is a page of results for a Rev. A 17" PowerBook Al (http://ladd.dyndns.org/xbench/merge.xhtml?doc1=32503). and one of the new 1.25GHz 15" PowerBooks (http://ladd.dyndns.org/xbench/merge.xhtml?doc1=33285) running 512MB RAM.

because of the many different configurations of RAM, and the different versions of OS X (or maybe OS 9 :eek: :p ) that people might be using, i think that would have some effect on the results, but i'm not sure how significant that difference would be. there's a list of xBench comparisons (http://ladd.dyndns.org/xbench/) that you should check out to get a broader view of the results. i hope all that stuff helps.

also, something i'd like to see, just out of curiosity, is a PSBench 7 (http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Cafe/4363/download.html) test with the advanced 50MB test image. if you've got Photoshop 7 that is. ;) it just runs a set of actions on the image and times it all. then we could compare it with the PSBench 7 results at Chaosmint.com (http://www.chaosmint.com/benchmarks/powermac-g5-ps7bench/), althought they are for a G5 1.6GHz, there are some PC's results in there as well, so it should give us some idea.

Phatpat, you've been asked to do alot, hope your up to the task. thanks for being the ginuea pig! :D

Powerbook G5
Sep 17, 2003, 08:36 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if he felt like a MacRumors-PowerBook whore with how much we are making him do. ;) :D

weev
Sep 17, 2003, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by Powerbook G5
I wouldn't be surprised if he felt like a MacRumors-PowerBook whore with how much we are making him do. ;) :D

i've heard the new powerbooks are not very strong, and will break when sat upon.

Can you please confirm this.

Also, believe they are only water-resistent, not proof. Can you check that too, thx

Kwyjibo
Sep 17, 2003, 11:17 AM
I'm told its flame resistant to 300 degrees celsius and can operate at near absolute zero, testing those factors would also be excelelent. I'm glad u finally got the machien phatpat...hope u like it... just in time for college right?

Powerbook G5
Sep 17, 2003, 11:40 AM
I've heard that Dells bounce when you drop them from a 10 story window and they can survive being ran over by a Mack truck. Would anyone out there with a Dell like to test these two factors for me? Thanks! :D

dennis88
Sep 17, 2003, 11:49 AM
If you could run many tests on unreal tournament 2003 with high settings, it would be great!
Thanks!

Phatpat
Sep 17, 2003, 12:02 PM
It's very quiet on startup. The fan finally started spinning noticeably after a little gaming, but it wasn't too bad. Noticeable, but not annoying. Overall its pretty quiet machine. The hotspots are definitely right below the keyboard. You can't notice it when typing, but if its on your lap it will start to get hot. Not quite uncomfortable, but getting there.

Warcraft III and Unreal ran great! Warcraft: I maxed out all the settings and everything ran perfectly. Levels loaded in about 5 seconds. Ran perfectly.
Unreal: Didn't spend too much time on this, but set resolution at 1024x768 (had to have bars on the side :-\ ) One of the options was on high detail, character textures I think(?) and the rest were on normal. Ran splendid :-)

If you guys want to tests out senselessly beating a laptop, I'll tell my friends who bought Dells to experiment :cool:

I'm leaving for college on friday, so being your guinea pig gives me the excuse to procrastinate packing a little more, :) I'm not complaining.

I'll get pics up once I find my compactflash reader....no idea where it went..

fukuhela
Sep 17, 2003, 12:18 PM
Yoy are one evil human being. ;-) Here I'm sitting without a dime in my pocket and a great desire to purchase a new computer even though i most surtainly haven't got the money. And then you come along telling me/us about how great yuor bp (my dreammachine) are - getting me even more h**ny for the pb.

But anyway; thanks alot for all the info. And big congrats.

chazmox
Sep 17, 2003, 12:41 PM
Dell's do bounce...

Just not in one piece...

sinser
Sep 17, 2003, 12:52 PM
Just have to say it: i'm a new switcher!

Incase Laptop Sleeve for PowerBook
PowerBook G4 15.2inch 1.25GHz
Backlit Keyboard & Mac OS
DVD/CD-RW
1.25GHz PowerPC G4
512MB DDR333 SDRAM - 2 SO-DIMMs
AirPort Extreme Card
60GB Ultra ATA drive (4200rpm)

So cool, just can't wait until it ships (14-16 days)

Alf.
:D

dennis88
Sep 17, 2003, 12:54 PM
how many fps did unreal run under those settings?

Winston Smith
Sep 17, 2003, 12:58 PM
Thanks Phatpat your doing great work making us drool.
Mine will be a 1.25Ghz with 512mb on a single So-Dimm with a 20GB iPod.:cool:
Do you notice a big speed difference with USB2?

CrackedButter
Sep 17, 2003, 01:19 PM
I'm in the UK and i have ordered one with student discount. Its 15" 1.25Ghz with combo drive (seems alot of people take out the superdrive), i have asked for 1 512 DIMM, its actually cheaper in the UK than Crucial! So i got the 1 DIMM for when i need to upgrade it. I got the 60GB HDD as well since i am not that rich and i'm planning on buying a DVD writer (maybe external HD) in the future so no need for the extra space.

I bought AppleWorks and a Tucano Sleeve with it, if it fits inside this brenthaven bag i have here than i am buying one of those as well, along with another battery. Now all i need is Sim City 4 + Unreal Tournament + one of those skins you can get for the PB, so you cannot get fingerprints on the laptop keys or mousepad.

Powerbook G5
Sep 17, 2003, 03:40 PM
Man, I'd love to get Sim City 4, but I need to buy all new software for OS X first since all I have is OS 9 and I don't want to be stuck under Classic all day long.

cb911
Sep 17, 2003, 06:43 PM
UT 2003 and WC III sound like they ran good. can't wait to get my PB now!! :D

Macnasien
Sep 17, 2003, 08:58 PM
When i read all these great quotes i thinking even harder to get a 15" AlPB.
If i would order one I get 1,25 GHz with 512 MB, 80 GB HD, Superdrive and Backlite kayboard. After receving it pull out both dimms and get two 512 MB CL2 Dimms in it. Does anyone want to buy my iBook :D LOL.

G4scott
Sep 17, 2003, 09:43 PM
The 15" PowerBook seems like a very nice computer. It's sleek, and packs a punch for it's size and thickness...

The 1.25ghz G4 is a nice chip. I'd love to have a backlit keyboard (Why, Apple, couldn't you do that with the 12" PowerBook???) And I can imagine that that Radeon 9600 mobility kicks some major FPS...

I'd love to get one now, but I just got my 12" in January, so I'm going to have to wait... Hopefully I can get a job, and if I get it, I know it'll be a job I'll love :D I'll have to let ya'll know about that later, if I get the job ;) :p