Leopard Aqua scrollbars removed!

[HLdan]

Sorry if this has been posted but I found this link from someone on a different forum. It's a simple fix to change the aqua scroll bars in Leopard to the ones familiar to iLife and iTunes. Worked great and looks much better. Here's the link, sorry I have no pic.
http://rapidshare.com/files/68668421/iTunesScrollbars.zip.html

[Wayfarer]

I wonder how this works, who made this or where it came from...

[notsofatjames]

cant you upload a screenshot. (apple+shift+3)

[HLdan]

Here's a link to the screen shot from another forum I got the link to the software from. Scroll down and you will see the pics. It works perfectly. http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=183337&page=3

[Wayfarer]

I did get it working. :)

[HLdan]

Figured out how to upload the pic, I think.

[great high wolf]

Working here - and it looks great!

[2Shae]

Thanks for this...the aqua bars really annoyed me.

[tyr2]

Nice, that looks a whole lot better.

[Kilamite]

Am I one of the few who like Aqua?

[Phil A.]

Interesting that the resource file goes into the Carbon framework, which presumably means Finder is still a carbon app rather than a cocoa one. I'm sure there was some talk about finder moving under the cocoa framework: Guess they ran out of time!

[Steve1496]

Thanks for posting this, it looks great. Personally, I love the new Leopard look, but I thought the old Aqua scroll bars look awkward with Leopard's darker theme. This makes it much better.

Steve

[techlover828]

another screenshot of camino, thanks a lot!

[Kilamite]

Okay, changed my mind.

I tried it and damn its smooth!

[nikiski]

Hm... can't download from rapidshare... Any alternative links? Or could someone be so kind and send it to me? :o

[stuppy]

This is sweet. Thanks.

Works fine here

[xUKHCx]

Okay, changed my mind.

I tried it and damn its smooth!

Smooth is definitely the word.

[fistful]

Niceness! Looks good in Tiger as well. :)

[paola105]

Cool thanks! It looks much better than aqua.

[iShak]

thank you soo very much indeed!

those jelly beans scrollbars didn't match the sober graphite look at all ... finally my mac looks nice and mature.

[REBELinBLUE]

Very nice. Now just need someone to figure out how to get the column headings to match the iTunes style

[danb77]

Before I try this. Is it safely uninstallable?

[fistful]

Before I try this. Is it safely uninstallable?

As long as you make a backup of the original Extras.rsrc all you have to do is replace the file to bring it back.

[tacomahunter]

Works great, make a backup and go for it! Looks fantastic! Thanks

[mbalson]

Wow, this really looks great and makes everything within Leopard more consistent looking. Makes me wonder why Apple didn't do this before they released 10.5 to the masses.

[isalex]

looks great, thanks for the hookup :D

[saxman]

Couldn't you just change to the graphite appearance in system preferences?

I haven't had blue scroll bars since Panther

[Topher15]

Hm... can't download from rapidshare... Any alternative links? Or could someone be so kind and send it to me? :o

http://www.abitbol.org/macosx/Extras.zip

[TheStu]

Couldn't you just change to the graphite appearance in system preferences?

I haven't had blue scroll bars since Panther

Right, but they are still Aqua Graphite. This will, if you are using graphite, give you flat, non-shiny gray scrollbars. I've got to tell you, really liking how easy it is appearing to mod Leopard.

[saxman]

Right, but they are still Aqua Graphite. This will, if you are using graphite, give you flat, non-shiny gray scrollbars. I've got to tell you, really liking how easy it is appearing to mod Leopard.

I see. I always thought aqua just meant everything was a blue color.

I guess some people are really into their scroll bars - which is fine, I've just not paid that much attention I guess

[Dany M]

Hmm, for some reason it didnt work but I dont care that much, it does look better but not worth my time to change it.

[hollerz]

Thanks!! :D Always liked the Aqua scroll bars but was hoping they'd change to iTunes style in Leopard!

[Nayrb]

So much better, that's how it should have been in the first place.

[armani]

It did not work for me. Shall I restart?

[xUKHCx]

When i tried first time i just replaced the existing files and it didn't work. Then i deleted the files and put the new ones in there and then it worked.

[ravenvii]

Wow, it worked *snap* just like that.

So easy...

Looks great!

[psychofreak]

So much better, that's how it should have been in the first place.

Although I'm loving this, I was hoping to see the scrollbar shown horizontally on this (http://www.apple.com/itunes/) page...

BTW, Safari3 is missing out a part of that page (including the scrollbar) over here! Anyone else have this?

[Taylor C]

Has anyone found any areas where these resource replacements are not present? I'd hate to replace them and find the old aqua ones somewhere.

[Me1000]

Im assuming this requires a restart?

[Shadow]

I can't say I was a fan of this style of scrollbar on Tiger - it just looked out of place. Having said that, it rocks on Leopard! (Although tbh I'll probably switch back to the Aqua ones eventually)

<Off topic>
I'm really enjoying Leopard so far. It seems very polished and has just a nicer overall feel than Tiger. For example, the network pane of Sys Prefs on Tiger seemed a bit outdated but its been vastly improved for Leopard. At the time, Tiger was very good but looking back it just looks old, outdated and, to be frank, pathetic.

[techlover828]

Im assuming this requires a restart?

just a relaunch of finder ;)

[djejrejk]

Yes, you must relaunch finder. Also, follow the directions very carefully, you have to delete the old file, you can't just copy over it for some reason.

BTW, Thx it looks great!

[decksnap]

Although I'm loving this, I was hoping to see the scrollbar shown horizontally on this (http://www.apple.com/itunes/) page...

Yeah... iTunes scrollbars... still ugly after living with them this long. I would have liked to see those as well. Uno can't seem to keep up with Apple on their releases.

[chimerical]

Am I one of the few who like Aqua?

No, there are plenty of us who like Aqua. From that crowd, some want something different after years of Aqua (does not mean that they don't like it anymore). Some of us newer Mac users haven't grown tired of Aqua just yet, and would like to keep it.

I wish they'd offer both as options, but what can we do.

[webgoat]

another successful aqua removal here :D .. my backed up originals folder is growing with original dock files, DefaultDesktop.jpg, and now Extras2.rsrc

[theGAPkid]

The new scrollbars are in finder windows, iLife apps, mail, iWork etc... but Safari and MS office still have the traditional aqua themed ones. Is this supposed to be???

If not HELP! - I love the new look!

[Me1000]

Yes, you must relaunch finder. Also, follow the directions very carefully, you have to delete the old file, you can't just copy over it for some reason.

BTW, Thx it looks great!

Ah, I didnt delete the file, I just replaced it...

Thanks,

[webgoat]

safari should have the new graphite scrollbars... did you replace the right file since one is supposedly for ppc and the other intel?

[MistaBungle]

This is really excellent. Now if we can only get them to correct the "click red button to close/click red button to close the window but still need to quit" thingy.

[theGAPkid]

I replaced it with Extras2.rsrc. The backup of the original is still on computers desktop. Could this be causing a conflict?

[techlover828]

I replaced it with Extras2.rsrc. The backup of the original is still on computers desktop. Could this be causing a conflict?

no it won't

[HLdan]

This is really excellent. Now if we can only get them to correct the "click red button to close/click red button to close the window but still need to quit" thingy.

Edit. Yeah, I see. There's a science to why some windows don't quit on the close button but the web browser makes zero sense not to quit on the last window. If anything it should hide the window because once you close the browser you lose your existing web page whereas Hide maintains your web page. Go figure.

[MBX]

AWESOME!

now somebody just find out how to replace the stupid aqua bubbles & window bubbles (resize, maximize, minimize) with the flat buttons look (as in timemachine preference pane).

[TheStu]

The new scrollbars are in finder windows, iLife apps, mail, iWork etc... but Safari and MS office still have the traditional aqua themed ones. Is this supposed to be???

If not HELP! - I love the new look!

Have you quit and then restarted Safari and Office?

[theGAPkid]

Have you quit and then restarted Safari and Office?

yup

and ive restarted the computer :confused:

[GSMiller]

Am I one of the few who like Aqua?

I like Aqua, but it just doesn't fit in as nice as it used to.

Does this change the Aqua buttons too so they match the new scrollbar?

[Mac OS X Ocelot]

When i tried first time i just replaced the existing files and it didn't work. Then i deleted the files and put the new ones in there and then it worked.

Yeah, my copy (from the source posted) came with edited instructions that added that to them.

This makes my day.

[psychofreak]

I like Aqua, but it just doesn't fit in as nice as it used to.

Does this change the Aqua buttons too so they match the new scrollbar?

Unfortunately not...

[Templex]

This is the first modification to OS X I've seen that actually makes things better.

Apple really screwed up with the default Aqua scrollbars.

[theman]

I use finder in list view mainly, and the tabs at the top are still aqua blue and I can't change them. it looks terrible next to the drab dark blue of the new scrollbars.

I wish apple would change it themselves...change everything.

[psychofreak]

I use finder in list view mainly, and the tabs at the top are still aqua blue and I can't change them. it looks terrible next to the drab dark blue of the new scrollbars.

I wish apple would change it themselves...change everything.

Maybe I'm being too optimistic in hoping that it will come in a 10.5 update...

[Nabooly]

Am I one of the few who like Aqua?

I love the aqua scroll bars! The grey ones look so boring and unappealing :rolleyes:

[NEiMac]

THis is really cool, now if someone can get make something to change the colors of the aquabubbles everything would be great. :D

[ravenvii]

This is really excellent. Now if we can only get them to correct the "click red button to close/click red button to close the window but still need to quit" thingy.

That's the way Mac OS worked since 1984. There is a good reason for this. Get over it.

(For elaboration, do a search for threads on this, there has been many)

I replaced it with Extras2.rsrc. The backup of the original is still on computers desktop. Could this be causing a conflict?

Nah, I have it on my desktop too. No problems.

[HLdan]

yup

and ive restarted the computer :confused:

Just make sure that after you've actually replaced the Extras2 rsrc file by deleting it first and then replacing it with the new one. Then relaunch the Finder by using command, option escape. Then log out and log back in and all should be good.

[AppleCrisp]

Does anyone else not have a frameworks folder in their library:confused: am I missing something...some help thanks

[nikiski]

http://www.abitbol.org/macosx/Extras.zip

Aye, thanks so much. I was having trouble with my ISP's transparent proxies. And now the scroll bars rock! :D

[webgoat]

Does anyone else not have a frameworks folder in their library:confused: am I missing something...some help thanks

are you sure you are looking /System/Library and not /Users/user/Library

[thejadedmonkey]

Dark dock, kick a** scrollbars, 10.5 ROCKS!

Now if only it looked like this natively...

[NicP]

Edit. Yeah, I see. There's a science to why some windows don't quit on the close button but the web browser makes zero sense not to quit on the last window. If anything it should hide the window because once you close the browser you lose your existing web page whereas Hide maintains your web page. Go figure.

Safari opens a new window on my system much quicker if the app is already open than having to start the app from scratch. I would hate if they changed it to close the app when closing the last window.

[Mac OS X Ocelot]

Safari opens a new window on my system much quicker if the app is already open than having to start the app from scratch. I would hate if they changed it to close the app when closing the last window.

Not only that, but quiting the browser altogether logs you out of every forum, myspace/facebook thingy, or wiki site (etc.). All of my Windows-using friends keep their FireFox downloads window open just so they won't have to reloggin to those things. A few programs in Windows are intuitive, like AIM, wherein the process goes to the system tray in the lower right so closing all windows (even buddy list) doesn't quit the program altogether.

Before Spaces, I would always close the iTunes window even when it plays to save space. I never liked the controller it becomes when you "zoom" it. Same with Mail; I'd want it open but the window closed. And iCal sort of.

Some apps do close with the last window. Like Calculator, System Prefs, and Disk Utility. Some I wish would like Preview, TextEdit, QuickTime. But 99% of the time I close windows with CMD+W than with the button, so CMD+Q isn't such an inconvenience. Much less of one than Safari closing with the last window.

[ravenvii]

Some apps do close with the last window. Like Calculator, System Prefs, and Disk Utility. Some I wish would like Preview, TextEdit, QuickTime. But 99% of the time I close windows with CMD+W than with the button, so CMD+Q isn't such an inconvenience. Much less of one than Safari closing with the last window.

Apple isn't perfect with this, but basically the idea is that if the program only has a purpose having one window open (like Preferences or Disk Utility), it will quit when you close that window. QuickTime, Preview, et al can have multiple meaningful windows open at the same time (multiple movies in QuickTime, multiple PDFs in Preview, etc etc), thus closing a window doesn't quit the program (otherwise, if you have two PDFs open, and close one, the program quits. Does that make sense to you? I hope not).

[Mac OS X Ocelot]

Apple isn't perfect with this, but basically the idea is that if the program only has a purpose having one window open (like Preferences or Disk Utility), it will quit when you close that window. QuickTime, Preview, et al can have multiple meaningful windows open at the same time (multiple movies in QuickTime, multiple PDFs in Preview, etc etc), thus closing a window doesn't quit the program (otherwise, if you have two PDFs open, and close one, the program quits. Does that make sense to you? I hope not).

I'm aware of and agree with point one. Point two is nonsense. Never did anyone say that if you close one window when other windows are open the entire program should quit. But for some apps it makes sense for it to quit when the last window is closed. No more windows open in QuickTime or Preview, no reason for it to be open. At least, none that would suit me.

[ravenvii]

I'm aware of and agree with point one. Point two is nonsense. Never did anyone say that if you close one window when other windows are open the entire program should quit. But for some apps it makes sense for it to quit when the last window is closed. No more windows open in QuickTime or Preview, no reason for it to be open. At least, none that would suit me.

Well, why not extend that to Safari, as well? After you close the last window, it's not doing anything for you, is it?

Yeah, but Safari opens faster if I don't quit!

Yeah, so does QuickTime.

But I don't need QuickTime to load faster!

Well, maybe someone needs/wants to watch several different movies, and keeping one window open while opening another movie so QuickTime wouldn't quit, or having to quit and relaunch QuickTime every time you switch to a different movie, would be annoying, cumbersome, and most of all, dumb.

The same principle applies to Preview. Just replace movies with PDFs or images and QuickTime with Preview above.

But I don't!

... and you think Apple ought to break consistency and guidelines for you, o special one?

There. I saved both of our time by completing the "discussion" in one swoop.

[Ludde]

I'm kind of embarrassed to admit this, but I got huge problems when trying to replace the file on my Macbook. I deleted the file, but got errors when I was copying the new file. In the end Finder wouldn't respond or relaunch or anything. I restarted and couldn't log in, so I thought I'd start from the Leopard disc and use Time Machine to restore the file.

Unfortunately, neither the Leopard or the Tiger disc seems to want to boot. I get a blue screen and the spinning wheel from time to time. The cursor is only visible for a couple of seconds.

I'd heard about problems starting with the Leopard disc, so I thought I'd install Tiger on one of my external drives and fix the problem after booting from it, but as it is now, I can't seem to do that either.

I would be very grateful if someone could give me some pointers. Maybe I should just go to a store that sells Macs and use one of theirs to install on an external ;)

[Iamtherealwoody]

I'm kind of embarrassed to admit this, but I got huge problems when trying to replace the file on my Macbook. I deleted the file, but got errors when I was copying the new file. In the end Finder wouldn't respond or relaunch or anything. I restarted and couldn't log in, so I thought I'd start from the Leopard disc and use Time Machine to restore the file.

Unfortunately, neither the Leopard or the Tiger disc seems to want to boot. I get a blue screen and the spinning wheel from time to time. The cursor is only visible for a couple of seconds.

I'd heard about problems starting with the Leopard disc, so I thought I'd install Tiger on one of my external drives and fix the problem after booting from it, but as it is now, I can't seem to do that either.

I would be very grateful if someone could give me some pointers. Maybe I should just go to a store that sells Macs and use one of theirs to install on an external ;)

A friend of mine had the exact same problem. We tried booting into single user mode to copy the new file into the system folder, but its read only in S.U.M. and we couldnt do it. Our other option was to boot into firewire disk mode and access it through, but didnt have access to one.
Finally, we did an archive install to fix the problem, if all else fails, thats what Id do if i was you.

[Jestered]

Or if you want to safely do this (sorta), you could just go into System Prefs->Appearance. Then change the first drop down from blue to graphite. That will pretty much get rid of all the aqua stuff and make it more grey. The scroll bars don't look exactly like the hacked ones here, but they are not aqua. The three buttons in all windows are not colored anymore either.

[xUKHCx]

Or if you want to safely do this (sorta), you could just go into System Prefs->Appearance. Then change the first drop down from blue to graphite. That will pretty much get rid of all the aqua stuff and make it more grey. The scroll bars don't look exactly like the hacked ones here, but they are not aqua. The three buttons in all windows are not colored anymore either.

They are aqua. And that means giving up colour everywhere else.

[GSMiller]

Unfortunately not...

Well that sucks...

[Jestered]

They are aqua. And that means giving up colour everywhere else.

Well I guess the meaning of "aqua", at least to me, is more the blueness of it. That obviously is up to interpretation though. I never said that my post was a way of doing what was described in this thread exactly. Just a way of getting rid of the blue scroll bars, while also losing the colored buttons. I personally don't use the grey "theme" and just thought I would give up the info in case someone else here does not mind losing more colors just to get rid of the blue scroll bars without hacking the OS.

[FJ218700]

anyone have a link to the original directions? the link from post 1 is down.

[xUKHCx]

anyone have a link to the original directions? the link from post 1 is down.

Navigate to here, probably easiest to copy the string below and use the cmd+shift+g Finder shortcut

/System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/HIToolbox.framework/Versions/A/Resources/

Delete Extras.rsrc (PPC) or Extras2.rsrc (Intel) -- (make a backup first)

Then move the new one in there from the downloaded folder. (It says you just have to copy one, the relevant one, but i did both without harm). For me i just copied over and it didn't work so do delete it first.

Then restart Finder and any programs you have open.

[FJ218700]

^^ thanks

[TheSpaz]

I thought Kevin from MacNN was working on this. He is also currently working on making mini iTunes scroll bars for things like iChat's buddy list window.

http://forums.macnn.com/94/gui-customization/351929/official-hacking-leopards-gui-thread/4/

[snverhallen]

Great find!

snverhallen

[lugesm]

I know I'll get stoned for making this comment . . . . but

With all the real problems in OS 10.5 the color of the slider seems a little trivial. :confused:

[lofight]

very very nice! i love it!

[TheSpaz]

I know I'll get stoned for making this comment . . . . but

With all the real problems in OS 10.5 the color of the slider seems a little trivial. :confused:

Who said the scrollbars were a "problem". We're just trying to make Leopard visually better while we deal with the REAL problems. At least we'll feel a little better not to have to use Apple's UGLY scrollbars

[cornerdealy]

ok, here's my probelm

I made the backup, but my computer is not letting me delete the file. It says it's in use.

furthermore, it wont let me drag the new one to replace the old one into the folder.

Now I restored the original file back into the folder, but now I have a copy of it in my trash and i cant delete it.

EDIT: Nevermind, I'm an idiot, I didnt give myself permission to read/write the folder.

[xUKHCx]

ok, here's my probelm

I made the backup, but my computer is not letting me delete the file. It says it's in use.

furthermore, it wont let me drag the new one to replace the old one into the folder.

Now I restored the original file back into the folder, but now I have a copy of it in my trash and i cant delete it.

Why can't you put the new one in?

To be able to empty the trash you will have to restart/log out.

Edit: See you sorted it out.

[Kardashian]

I'm kind of embarrassed to admit this, but I got huge problems when trying to replace the file on my Macbook. I deleted the file, but got errors when I was copying the new file. In the end Finder wouldn't respond or relaunch or anything. I restarted and couldn't log in, so I thought I'd start from the Leopard disc and use Time Machine to restore the file.

Unfortunately, neither the Leopard or the Tiger disc seems to want to boot. I get a blue screen and the spinning wheel from time to time. The cursor is only visible for a couple of seconds.

I'd heard about problems starting with the Leopard disc, so I thought I'd install Tiger on one of my external drives and fix the problem after booting from it, but as it is now, I can't seem to do that either.

I would be very grateful if someone could give me some pointers. Maybe I should just go to a store that sells Macs and use one of theirs to install on an external ;)

I got the exact same thing and I've just had to re-install all of Tiger.

God sakes.

[Quillz]

Who said the scrollbars were a "problem". We're just trying to make Leopard visually better while we deal with the REAL problems. At least we'll feel a little better not to have to use Apple's UGLY scrollbars
Exactly. The new GUI that Leopard pushes is great, but the old Aqua scroll bars just didn't fit in. But the newer iTunes 7 scroll bars just look perfect with the rest of the GUI.

[Paulimac24]

I followed the links to this new scheme and frankly it's pig ugly. The aqua looks great to me.

[webgoat]

I followed the links to this new scheme and frankly it's pig ugly. The aqua looks great to me.

does itunes look pig ugly to you then? perhaps you can find away to put aqua in there

[QuarterSwede]

I have to admit, it really does look better now. I don't think it's perfect (the window resizer really looks bright now) but it definitely fits better than Aqua did. Now if we can only get the jelly buttons (Cancel, OK) to be flat (Time Machine preference pane).

If you don't like the aqua blue highlight color do this: System Preferences > Appearance > Highlight Color: > Other ... I just found that the blue highlight color in Finder and Mail really didn't go so I made it a slightly lighter shade of the scrollbars.

Also, there is a perfectly good reason to allow Safari to continue running with no windows ... Downloads.

[Guiltygugu]

gooooorgeeeousssssssss

im in love with the guy/gal who created this, now everything just feels all tied together in a nice little leopard bundle

by changing the highlight color to graphite it really makes everything look amazing...when i first changed the scroll bars the other aqua elements really stood out, so when i changed it it all looked 110% better, i highly recommend it

[paul.b.davis]

wow, I had done this so long ago, I had forgotten about the aqua scroll bars until I saw this thread pop up again

I gave my old PowerBook to my sister for her birthday (with Leopard) and I replaced these before I even gave it to her (as well as the dock I use)

[GNice]

So happy I found this...I much, much prefer the look...