iPhone 2 in January?

[That-Is-Bull]

A lot of people have been saying a new iPhone will come out in January. I've really been wanting an iPhone but 8 GB is barely enough space for me, and if there's a decent chance a new one is coming out in January I'll wait for it, otherwise I'll get one for Christmas. What are the chances of a new one coming out in a couple months?

[psychofreak]

I seriously doubt it - it would be only 2 months after the European launch...

[GoodWatch]

I'll just wait. I expect a Dutch launch in March 2008. If it is still first gen I'll wait some more ;) The 8 GB memory is just to make people hungry for more. Memory is cheap, there's little or no reason to start with 8 GB. Having said this, my 4 GB Nano third gen is more than adequate. I only use it for one purpose, on my bike to work. 600 tracks are enough :D

[Mac-Addict]

Think of how pissed off all the people who bought the iPhone 1st Gen in Europe. There would be riots outside Apple stores! They would burn Jobs at the stake.

[Stella]

Think of how pissed off all the people who bought the iPhone 1st Gen in Europe. There would be riots outside Apple stores! They would burn Jobs at the stake.

You can be sure that they wouldn't be given a rebate like american buyers.

[geenosr]

If 8 gig is enough for your nano---you won't be sorry you bought the iPhone.
I have both video and music on mine, and I have room to spare. I honestly spend more time on youtube and safari than the iPod side. When I am on the iPod, it is more than adequate for my needs.

If the iPhone 2 does come out next year, it will probably be later rather than sooner. I don't know if Apple learned anything from the last price drop fiasco, but now they're dealing with a global marketplace, not just the USA.

I have never enjoyed a tech toy more in my life than I enjoy my iPhone. That's saying a lot!

Seriously---buy it now--you'll be glad you didn't wait.

[DeaconGraves]

I could see an announcement in January (so Apple can make the announcement as opposed to the FCC). But my guess would be the absolute earliest we'd see a new iPhone would be this summer.

[nickspohn]

You're a flat out idiot if you think iPhone 2 will be out before Q4 of 2008.

What are the new features going to be? More space and 3G?

Oh wow, that must be worth $500 to upgrade to.

[That-Is-Bull]

You're a flat out idiot if you think iPhone 2 will be out before Q4 of 2008.

Good point. I'ma go ahead and get one. 8 GB is enough if I delete some of the **** I rarely listen to.

[KittyToy]

I don't know why people so concerned about version 2, buy it now and enjoy the iphone for all it's worth. what is the big deal about space, it's a phone for goodness sake, it's not suppose to replace your ipod. that being said when will you be satisfied with the space that you have, 16 gb now then when you get that you will want 32 and so on, when will it be enough.:confused:

[nickspohn]

Good point. I'ma go ahead and get one. 8 GB is enough if I delete some of the **** I rarely listen to.

Good choice.

Seriously, how can you need more than a few GB's of music on a device? It's not like you're going to play 1,000 songs in one sitting. Sure it might be nice to have a song on hand, but that's what good playlists are for.

To be honest, i only have like 300 songs on my computer. All i need.


Video is another story, but still, i'm happy with my 4GB iPhone. I would of gotten the 8 but i got the last 4GB on iDay.

[Stella]

Its not just music - its photos and movies.

Good choice.

Seriously, how can you need more than a few GB's of music on a device? It's not like you're going to play 1,000 songs in one sitting. Sure it might be nice to have a song on hand, but that's what good playlists are for.

To be honest, i only have like 300 songs on my computer. All i need.


Video is another story, but still, i'm happy with my 4GB iPhone. I would of gotten the 8 but i got the last 4GB on iDay.

[Flying Dutchman]

I'll just wait. I expect a Dutch launch in March 2008. If it is still first gen I'll wait some more ;) The 8 GB memory is just to make people hungry for more. Memory is cheap, there's little or no reason to start with 8 GB. Having said this, my 4 GB Nano third gen is more than adequate. I only use it for one purpose, on my bike to work. 600 tracks are enough :D

First of all; Hallo :)

Second, I think the "iPhone 2" won't come out till a long time, but my guess is that in January the iPhone might see a 16 GB chip, 'cause I'm like going to hardware upgrade the phone myself if I have to, these chips ain't that hard/expensive to buy anymore. So I think it'll be like this; Apple is going to upgrade to a 16GB chip, with no extra features, for January, it'll come out in March for Holland (and probably other European country's) at the KPN provider (I think, Apple has gone with the "ex-governmental property" so far (for Europe)), and around June we might see an iPhone 2. Still, the Buyersguide indicates, Don't buy, end of cycle or something. But, I'll wait for the French iPhone to come out.

Voor jou GoodWatch; kijk ook eens op OneMoreThing.nl in de fora...

[colonelbutt]

as the touch is 16gb, it is for sure there will be a 16gb version soon.

however i think the 8gb one will remain, and the 16gb will be more expensive.

after another year or 18months there will probably be a 32gb version.

i am pretty sure that Apple will not be playing around with the user interface or form factor much for many years. its pretty good and they need to recoup their R&D anyway.

[michaelsviews]

You're a flat out idiot if you think iPhone 2 will be out before Q4 of 2008.

What are the new features going to be? More space and 3G?

Oh wow, that must be worth $500 to upgrade to.

New features

GPS, there were articles either on BGR or TUAW on Jobs working together with Telenav and seeing how AT&T already has Telenav it would be a smart thing to do.

3G, working on it but the main problem is still battery life, let alone AT&T getting 3G up and running nationwide, I know it still is NOT up in my area, it comes and goes and comes and goes

16Gig of Memory and from a salesperson I trust at the Corp store there has been RUMOR of more memory but nothing in writing / email

More applications, or programs however you want to slice it.

I have seen more iPhones locally on T-Mobiles network

And finally "Forgot to add this" Due out is Christmas or Late fall in 2008 no sooner

[TonyHoyle]

GPS they could add just by producing a USB Bluetooth adapter and enabling it in software... OTOH GPS is a *huge* battery drain - running flat out it can drain an N95 with the high capacity battery in about 4 hours (compared to a standard battery life of about 3.5 days)... it's really an in-car thing for satnav support. A USB GPS adapter can have its own battery to take the strain off the phone.

iphone would be pretty good at satnav IMO - nice large touch screen.. Add a decent text to speech processor and it could even replace my 910.

3G would require a new phone release, however battery life issues with it are overblown.. I've never seen any practical difference (couple of percent here and there) however the iphone has such a weak battery to start with it may make more of a difference.

16Gb version is pretty much a shoe-in... I'm surprised there isn't one already.

16Gb (or more) and 3G would be worth the upgrade to me, provided the software issues were fixed by then.

[bartelby]

I seriously doubt it - it would be only 2 months after the European launch...

Yeah, Apple would never change things so soon after a product launch...;)

[Cloudane]

January which year? :)

January 2008 would be too soon. Apple have already learned their lesson on changing things just a few months after launch I should think.

Also I can't remember where, but I'm sure there was a quote from Jobs saying they'll be able to do 3G in the second half of next year... so I think we've got a while to go yet (think January 2009) unless that's slated for the iPhone 3.

[jg2000]

I can't believe I'm still reading these arguements. 8GIG is PLENTY for a PHONE, understand....a PHONE. You should not be using the iPhone as your primary source for music and video and photos and all that. If that was the case, there would be no use for ipods. think of it...as the NAME of the product clearly states,...iPHONE not iEVERYTHINGTHEYMAKEINONELITTLEPACKAGE.

I have 20 gig of stuff I could put on it, but why??? I've said this a million times too, just because they make something that holds 100GBm doesn't mean you have to scramble to fill it. There seems to be a weird obsession with that.

[zap2]

Nope...not a chance in hell.

[TonyHoyle]

Steve jobs announced the iphone as 'the best ipod we've ever made'.

It's an ipod, with a phone. Or a phone, with an ipod. Or a PDA/iPod/Camera/Phone convergence device. Whatever. It's *not* 'just a phone'. If you want 'just a phone' there are plenty of cheap devices available with no camera, email, google maps, music playback etc. The iphone is not one of those.

One of the big selling points of ipod is you carry all your music around.. I find it really hard to get down to 8gb (especially when 2gb of that has video on it)... I have itunes selecting a random selection each day (well it's supposed to but as mention elsewhere smart playlists are broken and it never updates - I need to try some of the workarounds to see if I can get it working).

[That-Is-Bull]

I can't believe I'm still reading these arguements. 8GIG is PLENTY for a PHONE, understand....a PHONE. You should not be using the iPhone as your primary source for music and video and photos and all that. If that was the case, there would be no use for ipods. think of it...as the NAME of the product clearly states,...iPHONE not iEVERYTHINGTHEYMAKEINONELITTLEPACKAGE.

According to Jobs, the iPhone is a phone, iPod, web browser, and something else I forgot. It's not just a phone. If the iPhone is just a phone, then what is the iPod Touch? It's pretty much the same thing but with less features and more space.

I have 20 gig of stuff I could put on it, but why??? I've said this a million times too, just because they make something that holds 100GBm doesn't mean you have to scramble to fill it. There seems to be a weird obsession with that.

Just because I need a little more than 8 GB of space, that doesn't mean I also need 100 GB. I had almost 8 GB of music, that would fill the iPhone up and wouldn't leave room for videos, pictures, and other applications and stuff.

I'm going to stop there. Honestly, this is a really stupid post and I'm not going to waste any more time responding to it. No offense.

[Telp]

I am going to say most likely no. Too closeto the euro launch, I doubt they will even unveil a 16GB one. I highly doubt that they will mention the iPhone at all except for the SDK and any new apps or features that they will be adding soon. That is actually a lot, but they won't being showing a new product.

[GTiPhone]

I can't believe I'm still reading these arguements. 8GIG is PLENTY for a PHONE, understand....a PHONE. You should not be using the iPhone as your primary source for music and video and photos and all that. If that was the case, there would be no use for ipods. think of it...as the NAME of the product clearly states,...iPHONE not iEVERYTHINGTHEYMAKEINONELITTLEPACKAGE.

I have 20 gig of stuff I could put on it, but why??? I've said this a million times too, just because they make something that holds 100GBm doesn't mean you have to scramble to fill it. There seems to be a weird obsession with that.



You are about as clueless as it gets. Is it the "Old Phone" ringtone that keeps confusing you into thinking the iPhone is a phone?

Granted it is capable of making and receiving calls, and that is also its most expensive feature....but in no way shape or form is the iPhone a Phone.

For a phone, I would not want nor care about photos, music, video, etc...because its a phone.


The iPhone is the best portable internet device available and is an awesome widescreen ipod.

....oh and it can make phone calls.

[xenotaku]

I can't believe I'm still reading these arguements. 8GIG is PLENTY for a PHONE, understand....a PHONE. You should not be using the iPhone as your primary source for music and video and photos and all that. If that was the case, there would be no use for ipods. think of it...as the NAME of the product clearly states,...iPHONE not iEVERYTHINGTHEYMAKEINONELITTLEPACKAGE.

I have 20 gig of stuff I could put on it, but why??? I've said this a million times too, just because they make something that holds 100GBm doesn't mean you have to scramble to fill it. There seems to be a weird obsession with that.

some of us would like to have an all-in-one device. I don't want to carry an iPod and a phone in my pocket and in my car to listen to music. I'm waiting for more memory and 3G, then I'm getting an iPhone and ditching my iPod.

[49erPress]

all i want is push mail.

[Mitch1984]

I doubt it, I always thought so but the 1st one has only just come to europe.
I think it'll be like april, you might as well get one now, then sell it when the new one comes out if you need to. I was gonna wait but I read that they will add alot of functionality via software updates.

[needthephone]

They have to at least announce version 2 soonish as the pace of mobile phone releases moves so fast. Just look at how many models nokia come out with. It would be OK to say the new model was coming out in 6 months as they did with the first one-BUT why give the competition a head start as this time they don;t have ligitimate reasons for a pre announcement.


iphone has to be 3g (or better) before its really taken seriously. There is always that nagging doubt with the curent model. If it was launched in OZ I think I would wait.

I'm also torn about the touch as the iphone is what I want but I can't get one and the touch just seems a really fancy mp3 player to justify the cost. If it offered genuine applications (not just web gadets or widgets) then I would be tempted more.

[MikeDTyke]

Chances are that iPhone is on a similar once a year refresh as iPod is.

I could see an announcement in Jan with release in May, or more realistically, because this is a the 2nd time round and dealing with the FCC maybe slightly faster, is an announcement in Feb alongside the SDK and release again in May or start of June.

Broadcom has released a new 3g chip that has the kind of battery characteristics that apple needs for sampling. Ramp up of the chip is about 4 to 5 months off. Which fits nicely in the timeframe above.

By May, flash prices should facilitate a 16GB iPhone model, probably $50 to $100 more than the current one, meanwhile, i could see the 8 Gig at that time dropping by $50, maybe, though unlikely to hit $299.

Meanwhile, and this is were i really go out on a limb, i do believe there's a iPhone nano of sorts, not really geared as a big time music/video player, more focused on email and phone. Storage around 2-4GB, maybe smaller screen with a physical keyboard to cope with reduced size of the on screen keyboard, perhaps hidden behind a slider mechanism. $199-$249.
When this comes out is anyone's guess, but i'm sure it'll be staggered from regular iPhone updates, to maintain "The Buzz (tm)".

As to iPod touch, well i'm sure it'll see the 16GB replace the 8GB and a 24-32GB model appear at the top end come Sept 08.

I don't have any insider knowledge, just makes sense based on Apple's previous moves.

M. :D

[donnie3000]

Remember that the iPhone launched in Europe this month is already a 5 month old product (if you ignore the US price cut - which means nothing in Europe anyway). I think Apple will see the 8Gb iPhone through Christmas with a memory bump to 16Gb early next year.

Primarily, Apple will want the iPhone to remain cutting edge, attractive and useful to potential customers rather than worrying about annoying recent purchasers!

[MikeDTyke]

Remember that the iPhone launched in Europe this month is already a 5 month old product (if you ignore the US price cut - which means nothing in Europe anyway). I think Apple will see the 8Gb iPhone through Christmas with a memory bump to 16Gb early next year.

Primarily, Apple will want the iPhone to remain cutting edge, attractive and useful to potential customers rather than worrying about annoying recent purchasers!

I agree, that Apple don't care about existing customers when it comes to the new version. But flash prices aren't moving quickly enough to double the memory by then. I believe that they see it as important that the top end iPod has more storage than the top-end iPhone, because their thinking pattern is, that the iPod is the king of media players and the iPhone is much more than just a media player.

So when iPhone goes 16GB the touch either simultaneously or very shortly after is going 24-32GB.

In the interim, there's no other 8GB phone competing with them, so little pressure to up capacity, more likely they'll differentiate with software enhancements.

M.

[donnie3000]

I agree, that Apple don't care about existing customers when it comes to the new version. But flash prices aren't moving quickly enough to double the memory by then. I believe that they see it as important that the top end iPod has more storage than the top-end iPhone, because their thinking pattern is, that the iPod is the king of media players and the iPhone is much more than just a media player.

So when iPhone goes 16GB the touch either simultaneously or very shortly after is going 24-32GB.

In the interim, there's no other 8GB phone competing with them, so little pressure to up capacity, more likely they'll differentiate with software enhancements.

M.

Perhaps, but I think that in the long term, the iPod touch and the iPhone will more or less converge - the iPhone needs to stay 'the best iPod we've ever shipped'!

[Sin]

I was just in the Regent Street Apple store to ask about using an iPhone when visiting Japan (specifically whether I can use the SIM in a 3G phone instead when I'm away - but that's another thread...), and while the person I was speaking to didn't know the answer, I was told to wait until February for some kind of update to the phone.

Obviously the only update that would make the thing work would be the addition of 3G, and otherwise the solution is network support, which shouldn't need an update to the phone at all.

Of course I was also told that removing the SIM would involve prising of the back and voiding my warranty, which I'm pretty sure is not true (though under the watchful eye of the Apple staff I wasn't going to attempt to dismantle the phone in the shop to prove my point).

IMO the staff member in question was probably just trying to get rid of me, so take that as you will!

[arkitect]

Of course I was also told that removing the SIM would involve prising of the back and voiding my warranty, which I'm pretty sure is not true

The FUD being spread by some staff is astonishing!:eek:
There is just a usual SIM tray and you only need a paper clip. :D

[Sin]

The FUD being spread by some staff is astonishing!:eek:
There is just a usual SIM tray and you only need a paper clip. :D

I did turn around the phone and point at that when they came out with that line, but they were clearly not comfortable talking about anything other than the "approved" use of the phone. I guess they get a lot of people asking about using other SIMs in the phone, and just treated me in the same way (which is stupid, because had I got a reasonable answer I'd have been willing to hand over the cash there and then, and activate the thing straight away... I'm not trying to avoid their contract!).

Still, don't see why they need to misinform people. All that will happen now is that I've been put off buying the phone, and even if I do my own research and find a way around the issue, I'll buy it somewhere else!

[ucfgrad93]

There is no way there will a new iPhone in January.

There was so much wailing and gnashing of teeth when Apple dropped the price $200 after 2 months, can you imagine what it would be like if they introduced a new phone 2 months after the release in Europe?!?!

[snook911]

You're a flat out idiot if you think iPhone 2 will be out before Q4 of 2008.

What are the new features going to be? More space and 3G?

Oh wow, that must be worth $500 to upgrade to.


The only thing I think we might see is a 16gb iphone at $599. No other hardware changes though. I don't think you will see iphone # 2 until just before the first 2 years contracts are going to expire. Upgrade and bam they got you for 2 more years.

[JRomero]

I really don't think that Apple would release a new iPhone in January. It would be the biggest burn for all of the people who bought them over the holiday season for themselves or gifts.

I know Apple is much smarter than that. I say earliest would be around this time next year.

[Macgic]

WOW....I cant believe ppl are still talking about this. Just enjoy your iphone its the best phone currently on the market so don't complain.

[hatcher146]

im gonna have to say....a 16gb upgrade at MWSF or around spring...and then "iPhone2" sometime of summer 2008 or fall 2008 this is real "iPhone2" IE-3g, 32 gb, slimmer, etc etc

just my 2 cents

[nickspohn]

Everyone thinks the iPhone 2 will have 3G. Sorry to say but it's more than likely going to skip it and go straight to 4G.

[iEdd]

Oh the ignorance of some Americans is funny, the new iPhone is not just for you. :o

It is highly likely that a new iPhone will be released next January, ready for the Aus/NZ/Asian launches, simply because 3G is basically all that they have (ie. no common EDGE/2.75G, just 2G). Apple will NOT release a phone that boasts internet features if those of us from down under have to use painfully slow data transfer speeds for $80 a month.

My predictions would be 3G and 16GB for the current 8GB price, as well as MMS and with a software update, bluetooth syncing. So you're right that it's not a major upgrade, but it is a necessary one.

[lilnyc]

A lot of people have been saying a new iPhone will come out in January. I've really been wanting an iPhone but 8 GB is barely enough space for me, and if there's a decent chance a new one is coming out in January I'll wait for it, otherwise I'll get one for Christmas. What are the chances of a new one coming out in a couple months?

The iPhone is a cell phone with additional features. To my knowledge, most cell phones come with minimal storage, and you can buy an SD card to add about 4 GB. So for there to be a whopping 8GB on a cell phone, c'mon. That's a lot, plus the content is compressed to optimize space.

Create a Playlist for your iPhone and be selective about what you sync to it. There's no way I would pass up my iPhone to wait for more GBs. It is not an iPod. I'd suggest the iPod Touch if storage is of utmost importance. I don't even use a regular iPod outside of my water proofed one because I like to get my calls and emails while listening to music. The benefits outweigh the gigabytes.

[emotion]

as the touch is 16gb, it is for sure there will be a 16gb version soon.

Touch has two mem slots, iPhone has one. That is why we see the capacities we do. However the 16GB iPhone will come. I'd guess April 08.


i am pretty sure that Apple will not be playing around with the user interface or form factor much for many years. its pretty good and they need to recoup their R&D anyway.

Firmware 2.0 in Feb/march 08. Interface improvements, notes and todo syncing, A2DP, possibly MMS and video recording (with poting straight to YouTube). That'll keep people going until November 08 iPhone2 launch.

I know, all conjecture...

[emotion]

It is highly likely that a new iPhone will be released next January, ready for the Aus/NZ/Asian launches, simply because 3G is basically all that they have (ie. no common EDGE/2.75G, just 2G). Apple will NOT release a phone that boasts internet features if those of us from down under have to use painfully slow data transfer speeds for $80 a month.

My predictions would be 3G and 16GB for the current 8GB price, as well as MMS and with a software update, bluetooth syncing. So you're right that it's not a major upgrade, but it is a necessary one.

I might agree. January 2009 though. That is what you meant right?

[G4R2]

I suppose it depends on defining what added features would be worthy of 2.0 designation.

I definitely think that a better model of the current iPhone is in the works with increased memory capacity, access to ATT's 3g network, and a few added features. I would consider that to be an iPhone 1.5.

Apple is market savvy so I would speculate that to get the maximum number of people upgrading to 2.0 they will target June 2009 for a release and in the meantime only add incremental upgrades to the current iPhone.

[danp]

I agree that Jan '08 seems a little too soon. I can only assume people who think otherwise are trying to justify why they haven't picked one up yet. On the other hand, maybe I'm trying to justify why I *have* picked one up ;)

Look at the current iPhone. Its an undeniably awesome piece of kit with a mind blowing UI and a set of useful, well implemented features that make every other manufacturers output look decidedly last generation. Apple are already leading the pack and the market simply doesn't require "v2" so soon.

That said, there are a bunch of software related issues that need to be addressed - in my opinion, more so than the hardware. These are issues that are potentially costing sales of the *current* model and could be easily addressed by setting a few code monkeys to task. Support for MMS and video recording (however trivial to some contributors on this board) are often cited as justification for not buying. Inconsistencies in the UI (how many times have you turned the phone on its side when tapping out an SMS or e-mail?) make the software seem a little unfinished on close inspection.

Its these facts alone that lead me to believe Apple are busily working on a firmware update to address these issues (and others, I don't doubt). Add that to the impending SDK release and I think you've got all the evidence you need that "v1" is with us for a while yet.

Of course, perhaps I'm wrong. Come Jan '08 perhaps we'll see "v2" with 3G support, GPS and holographic projection video playback ;)

[emotion]

I agree that Jan '08 seems a little too soon. I can only assume people who think otherwise are trying to justify why they haven't picked one up yet. On the other hand, maybe I'm trying to justify why I *have* picked one up ;)

Look at the current iPhone. Its an undeniably awesome piece of kit with a mind blowing UI and a set of useful, well implemented features that make every other manufacturers output look decidedly last generation. Apple are already leading the pack and the market simply doesn't require "v2" so soon.

That said, there are a bunch of software related issues that need to be addressed - in my opinion, more so than the hardware. These are issues that are potentially costing sales of the *current* model and could be easily addressed by setting a few code monkeys to task. Support for MMS and video recording (however trivial to some contributors on this board) are often cited as justification for not buying. Inconsistencies in UI (how many times have you turned the phone on its side when tapping out an SMS or e-mail?) make the software seem a little unfinished on close inspection.

Its these facts alone that lead me to believe Apple are busily working on a firmware update to address these issues (and others, I don't doubt). Add that to the impending SDK release and I think you've got all the evidence you need that "v1" is with us for a while yet.

That's a nice level headed view which tallies with my thoughts too :)

[Ronnoco]

I did turn around the phone and point at that when they came out with that line, but they were clearly not comfortable talking about anything other than the "approved" use of the phone. I guess they get a lot of people asking about using other SIMs in the phone, and just treated me in the same way (which is stupid, because had I got a reasonable answer I'd have been willing to hand over the cash there and then, and activate the thing straight away... I'm not trying to avoid their contract!).

Still, don't see why they need to misinform people. All that will happen now is that I've been put off buying the phone, and even if I do my own research and find a way around the issue, I'll buy it somewhere else!

What's funny is that on Apple's own support page for the iPhone it gives clear directions to "remove the sim card before sending the iPhone to Apple for repair and place the sim in the "loaner phone" supplied to you by Apple"...

Then there are instructions for the user to simply remove the sim card with a paper clip...


Too funny what these Apple Store clerks tell people...LOL

[OdduWon]

No update in Jan, the current iphone has not yet been pushed to the extent of it's abilities. They will probably keep the same model, but add more memory and let people install applications on it without bricking. Wasn't there a report that most of the foreseeable upgrades could be done through software/firmware changes? After 2 years of secret designing and planning, I am sure apple has already planed the evolution of the iPhone for at least the first 3 generations.
Also with the iPhone it is not so much about the hardware as it is about software. The nature of a multi-use phone suggests an accumulation of personal info or data. On june 30 i called my phone from an iPhone, just to see if it worked. When i got home i saw the number in my phone and called it. People looking at the iPhone in the apple store answered, amazed, and we talked for a minute, then it hit me, they can see my number and anyone else who has been called from that phone. I rushed down to the store and deleted my number from the [phone.
This is a danger. there is now, not only phone numbers, but web info, maps, contacts and media on a phone that is connected to the internet. All it would take is for you to install the wrong app, and boom! someone has an all access pass to your i life.

[Sin]

What's funny is that on Apple's own support page for the iPhone it gives clear directions to "remove the sim card before sending the iPhone to Apple for repair and place the sim in the "loaner phone" supplied to you by Apple"...

Then there are instructions for the user to simply remove the sim card with a paper clip...


Too funny what these Apple Store clerks tell people...LOL

It's even "funnier" what O2 tell people. I've now been told twice by different O2 customer services people that the iPhone will work on a 3G network.

It's probably only a matter of time until someone actually buys one on the strength of that advice, travels abroad to find it doesn't work, and sues them for the loss of business or whatever as a result.

Last time I checked it wasn't really a good idea to lie to people about products in an effort to make them buy something.

Honestly I'm being put off the whole thing now, not because of the iPhone itself but the appalling behaviour of both Apple and O2.

[iEdd]

I might agree. January 2009 though. That is what you meant right?

No, January 2008. I'm not talking about a major update here. This is just so that it CAN be released, as estimated, Q1 2008 in Australia and New Zealand. The only way to get decent internet here is 3G or Next G (3G type replacement of CDMA). Trust me, we are not waiting another year and a half for the iPhone, just a few months. ;)

[emotion]

It's probably only a matter of time until someone actually buys one on the strength of that advice, travels abroad to find it doesn't work, and sues them for the loss of business or whatever as a result.
Sued? Are you for real?


Honestly I'm being put off the whole thing now, not because of the iPhone itself but the appalling behaviour of both Apple and O2.

Appauling behaviour of Apple?

O2 are another matter...they're a phone network - it's expected of them.

Despite the lower than expected EDGE cover I'm very pleased with my iPhone.

[emotion]

No, January 2008. I'm not talking about a major update here. This is just so that it CAN be released, as estimated, Q1 2008 in Australia and New Zealand. The only way to get decent internet here is 3G or Next G (3G type replacement of CDMA). Trust me, we are not waiting another year and a half for the iPhone, just a few months. ;)

I'd put money on you waiting at least a year for your 3G iPhone.

We'd have seen FCC filings for a 3G model by now, for a start.

[Sin]

Sued? Are you for real?



Last time I checked, it was pretty dodgy behaviour for a company to sell a product by claiming it does something it doesn't. Certainly the potential for legal action if someone fall victim to that.



Appauling behaviour of Apple?



Possibly not quite "appalling" but I'm less than happy with the attitude I got from the Apple staff, sure. I was interested in buying one of their products and asked an honest question. I didn't expect someone to question whether or not I really needed to know, and then give me bad information. That's pretty shoddy behaviour at least.



O2 are another matter...they're a phone network - it's expected of them.



I'm not sure why I should expect anything less than the truth from any large company, regardless of what line of business they're in.



Despite the lower than expected EDGE cover I'm very pleased with my iPhone.

I'm glad you're pleased with your phone... They seem like very nice phones, and I'd love to be able to own one myself.

[emotion]

Last time I checked, it was pretty dodgy behaviour for a company to sell a product by claiming it does something it doesn't. Certainly the potential for legal action if someone fall victim to that.


I agree dis-information from useless sales staff is bad but legal action will only come form them doing this in publicity material (web, adverts etc).



Possibly not quite "appalling" but I'm less than happy with the attitude I got from the Apple staff, sure. I was interested in buying one of their products and asked an honest question. I didn't expect someone to question whether or not I really needed to know, and then give me bad information. That's pretty shoddy behaviour at least.


Again, don't listen to sales staff. They're paid low wages, they don't care. However, Apple should have better training I agree.

[GAS]

We'd have seen FCC filings for a 3G model by now, for a start.

Just like we saw FCC filings for the first iPhone:rolleyes:

[emotion]

Just like we saw FCC filings for the first iPhone:rolleyes:

No need to roll eyes. There were FCC filings for the iPhone1.

As it happens you can get pre-approved chipsets for mobile phones so they could go that route. However, Oz and NZ is such a tiny market I suspect Apple will just consolidate on the 'easy' markets for now. As for Asia, that requires a big push. Yet another reason to consolidate and get the firmware/OS up to scratch first (ie. firmware version 2.0 coming in March along with the possible 16GB upgrade).

I'm prepared to be surprised, but you're setting yourself up for disappointment if you think 3G is coming in January IMO.

Not long to see who's view is realistic though is it?

[GAS]

No need to roll eyes. There were FCC filings for the iPhone1.



I'm just making the point that saying there haven't been any fcc filings yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist as we didn't see any filings for the first iPhone before release.


More on topic to this thread, it would be incredibly stupid of Apple to release a new iPhone in Jan. I doubt it will happen.

[iEdd]

More on topic to this thread, it would be incredibly stupid of Apple to release a new iPhone in Jan. I doubt it will happen.

Why, because Americans already have the iPhone? ;)

What would be stupid would be to delay the iPhone for Australia and New Zealand for ANOTHER year, losing potential sales, as well as causing a number of ready customers to give up waiting and just go into another contract with a Nokia/Motorola/Telstra phone.

At the VERY least, the iPhone will be upgraded to 16GB and released using some sort of EDGE with Telstra, Q1/Q2 2008, but as Apple do NOT want to go with telstra, they really need to go to 3G and another network (most likely 3).

[synth3tik]

Honestly. Look at the life cycle of every other Apple product. What is giving people this idea that an iPhone will be coming out in Jan. I mean by tradition you are looking at around a year

[alFR]

What would be stupid would be to delay the iPhone for Australia and New Zealand for ANOTHER year, losing potential sales, as well as causing a number of ready customers to give up waiting and just go into another contract with a Nokia/Motorola/Telstra phone.

Unless of course Apple don't really care about Australia and New Zealand as telecomms markets. I mean, Australia and NZ have a total population of about 25 million, while New York State alone in the US has a population of 19 million , Germany has a population of 82 million, France a population of 61 million, Spain 40 million etc. etc. The size of their other markets makes the antipodes look like small potatoes, really.

[emotion]

At the VERY least, the iPhone will be upgraded to 16GB and released using some sort of EDGE with Telstra, Q1/Q2 2008,

Now you're agreeing with me. :)

As for product lifecycles: people believe a 3G phone is coming soon out of blind optimism. Personally I think there's a lot of mileage in the current hardware.

Maybe the rumours of an iPhone2 just reflect firmware 2.0 that will come when the SDK is released (announced January, released sometime later)? We'll see true 3rd party app support when apps don't run as root (maybe some kind of sand box?).

It's also possible we'll see offline ajax app support (a little like google gears), a2dp stereo headphone support, notes and todo syncing, video recording (with straight to youtube support), mms.

Only time will tell. Until then my iPhone1 will do me.

[CD3660]

.....people believe a 3G phone is coming soon out of blind optimism. Personally I think there's a lot of mileage in the current hardware.


I believe you are correct on both counts.

I have to admit that when it became clear that the U.K. model was not to have 3G I had doubts as to whether I should get one. After 9 days of ownership of the iPhone I realise that my doubts were entirely unfounded. :)

Having said that I would not be surprised if a 3G version appeared in the Spring (March/April).

[emotion]

I have to admit that when it became clear that the U.K. model was not to have 3G I had doubts as to whether I should get one. After 9 days of ownership of the iPhone I realise that my doubts were entirely unfounded. :)

If you look back to the announcement of the iPhone I was fairly vocal that a non-3G iPhone would be of no use to Europe. In the UK the less than perfect 3G coverage (for O2 in particular) convinced me otherwise. For now.


Having said that I would not be surprised if a 3G version appeared in the Spring (March/April).

I guess that's possible but I'd guess announced Sept and then available November 08. As I keep saying, we'll all see in due course.

[CD3660]

I guess that's possible but I'd guess announced Sept and then available November 08. As I keep saying, we'll all see in due course.
Whenever it is I'll be in the queue for it even though I have no complaints about the current model, apart from the quality of the loudspeaker when playing music.

[emotion]

Whenever it is I'll be in the queue for it even though I have no complaints about the current model

Me too. Though O2 may have to get their skates on with HSDPA deployment as the coverage could be a lot better.

[jonnyb]

Whenever it is I'll be in the queue for it even though I have no complaints about the current model, apart from the quality of the loudspeaker when playing music.

If the low quality of the loudspeaker prevents people from foisting their appalling musical taste on me in public then I'm all for keeping it low quality ;)

[Sal Collaziano]

I'm waiting for a new iPhone that'll offer the ability to be used as a modem. Otherwise, I'd have one already.

[emotion]

I'm waiting for a new iPhone that'll offer the ability to be used as a modem. Otherwise, I'd have one already.

Trust me, when you've used the current one you won't be hankering after that. It's also unlikely to ever happen, its just not Apple's (or ATT/O2's) style.

[Sal Collaziano]

I'm not sure what you mean. Also, what's O2? I use AT&T...

Trust me, when you've used the current one you won't be hankering after that. It's also unlikely to ever happen, its just not Apple's (or ATT/O2's) style.

[Stella]

I'm not sure what you mean. Also, what's O2? I use AT&T...

O2 is a cell phone carrier in the UK. AT&T hasn't got a presence in the UK ( from what I remember ).

[iSamurai]

Think of how pissed off all the people who bought the iPhone 1st Gen in Europe. There would be riots outside Apple stores! They would burn Jobs at the stake.

No way, it will be 100 Euro Apple Gift voucher!!! :D:D:D:D

[Sal Collaziano]

O2 is a cell phone carrier in the UK. AT&T hasn't got a presence in the UK ( from what I remember ).

Thank you. That answers my question. :)