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boer
Nov 15, 2007, 12:34 PM
I am currently downloading Mac OS X 10.5.1 from Software Update. Weights 39.8 MB for my Intel iMac.



MacsRgr8
Nov 15, 2007, 12:34 PM
Just shown up in my Software Update!

Installing now...

Eidorian
Nov 15, 2007, 12:36 PM
109 MB on my MacBook.

cornerdealy
Nov 15, 2007, 12:38 PM
im getting an iphoto 08 update also

Enterprise8875
Nov 15, 2007, 12:38 PM
Nice find! Downloading now. Thanks

Eidorian
Nov 15, 2007, 12:41 PM
Looks like 39.8 MB on the retail install based Mac mini.

jayhawk11
Nov 15, 2007, 12:43 PM
Add me to the list. 39.8 MB on an UTD MacBook Pro C2D

Chillijam
Nov 15, 2007, 12:45 PM
MB C2D - 109MB. + 10 and a bit MB for the iPhoto update.

:)

MacsRgr8
Nov 15, 2007, 12:45 PM
Installed, and my Power Mac G5 Quad rebooted twice (like some previous Tiger updates did too).
My Mac mini Core Duo 1.66 just rebooted once after upgrading.

Build number = 9B18

webgoat
Nov 15, 2007, 12:45 PM
thanks for the heads up... i had just run software update about 5 minutes before your post and it came up with nothing... glad i caught your post

MacRumors
Nov 15, 2007, 12:47 PM
http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

Apple has released their first update to Mac OS X Leopard (10.5.1) today:
The 10.5.1 Update is recommended for all users running Mac OS X Leopard and includes general operating system fixes that enhance the stability, compatibility and security of your Mac.

Apple details the improvements in this technote (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=306907).

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/11/15/apple-releases-first-leopard-update-10-5-1/)

Eidorian
Nov 15, 2007, 12:48 PM
The GMA X3100 sees driver updates! :D

LaMerVipere
Nov 15, 2007, 12:48 PM
Hooray! Here's hoping it will smooth out some of the rough edges I've noticed.

eenduiker
Nov 15, 2007, 12:49 PM
it seems much snappier :eek:

solaris
Nov 15, 2007, 12:50 PM
Thanks for letting us know!
Cause I just Software Update just 30 minutes, or so, ago with no available updates.

109MB download on my 15" MacBook Pro (2.4GHz Core 2 Duo)

sunfast
Nov 15, 2007, 12:50 PM
AppFresh just picked it up!

Love that app.

See you on the other side....

heaven
Nov 15, 2007, 12:50 PM
yay! Finally! Downloading it at the moment :D

MadDog31
Nov 15, 2007, 12:50 PM
So is everyone going to update or will it break Jailbreak? Oh wait...wrong forum...

:rolleyes:

Peace
Nov 15, 2007, 12:50 PM
This is build 9B18 right?

bergmef
Nov 15, 2007, 12:50 PM
Hoping for a fix for the wireless to airport extreme problem. Any airport updates in the 10.5.1 update?

dalvin200
Nov 15, 2007, 12:51 PM
iCal alarms are now more reliably delivered via email.

Woohoo.. it actually works.. just tested it..

kjr39
Nov 15, 2007, 12:51 PM
that didn't take long. Good to see. C'mon you beta testers, let us know of any issues!

dalvin200
Nov 15, 2007, 12:51 PM
This is build 9B18 right?

yup

dalvin200
Nov 15, 2007, 12:52 PM
Hoping for a fix for the wireless to airport extreme problem. Any airport updates in the 10.5.1 update?

read the technote..

AirPort

Allows password-protected accounts on AirPort Disks to show up on in the Finder's Shared Sidebar.
Resolves an issue with saved passwords for wireless networks.

Enterprise8875
Nov 15, 2007, 12:53 PM
Damn still no transparent menu bar on 12" powerbooks.

Mustafa
Nov 15, 2007, 12:53 PM
39.8Mb on my G4 PowerBook.

4God
Nov 15, 2007, 12:53 PM
Wonder if this will help those freezer iMacs.

Chillijam
Nov 15, 2007, 12:53 PM
Wonder what the difference is between those of us with a 109MB download, and those with a 39MB one? Obviously those of us with a larger download have the super-deluxe version of Leopard with lots more functionality :) ...


...and more to fix. :(


Sorry, just filling time while my MB installs the update and reboots...

cbrain
Nov 15, 2007, 12:54 PM
Thanks for the info, I'll update now.

arkitect
Nov 15, 2007, 12:54 PM
that didn't take long. Good to see. C'mon you beta testers, let us know of any issues!

hehe. :p

I'll sleep on it and have a look at this thread in the morning.
Depending on the balance between Positive or Negative votes decide whether to install.

:p

bergmef
Nov 15, 2007, 12:55 PM
I saw the technote, was sure if that was the cause of the dropouts. Fingers crossed big time!! :-)

Dr. Dastardly
Nov 15, 2007, 12:55 PM
Oh please fix the wifi connecting to Airport Express. Having to connect the lappy to the ethernet is driving me to drink...

And I really don't want to spill on the keyboard.

4God
Nov 15, 2007, 12:56 PM
hehe. :p

I'll sleep on it and have a look at this thread in the morning.
Depending on the balance between Positive or Negative votes decide whether to install.

:p

Yeah, I'm with you on that one. I want to see if it breaks anything first. ;)

MacsRgr8
Nov 15, 2007, 12:56 PM
FYI:

My PPC Quad G5 rebooted twice.
My Mac mini Core Duo 1.66 and my MacBook Pro Core Duo 2 GHz simply rebooted once after upgrading.

Mitthrawnuruodo
Nov 15, 2007, 12:56 PM
That installer (on the blue background) took forever on my MacBook, and actually had me worried for a little while... oh and the restart was really slow, too...

But I just let it be and when it finally rebootes, 10.5.1 seems very nice. :)

Philsy
Nov 15, 2007, 12:56 PM
Hieratical menus in Stacks?

Better icons for Stacks?

Text messaging from Address Book again?

No, thought not... :(

cornerdealy
Nov 15, 2007, 12:57 PM
no problems here so far

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2109/2035362886_0723abe8b0_o.png

Warbrain
Nov 15, 2007, 12:57 PM
I'm going to run Time Machine today so that I can recover if anything goes wrong and then update.

But so far, I've heard of no issues.

lofight
Nov 15, 2007, 12:57 PM
the size of the file is a whole lot smaller than the 10.4.11 update, probably because they spent more time on the 10.4.11 one

rikers_mailbox
Nov 15, 2007, 12:58 PM
Damn still no transparent menu bar on 12" powerbooks.

seriously? that's weird.

I have a 12" PB but have not installed 10.5 yet. A question... how does Leopard run on it? Better than Tiger?

jholzner
Nov 15, 2007, 12:59 PM
Damn still no transparent menu bar on 12" powerbooks.

Ha! Some people on here would kill for that "feature"

Thought, it's not likely that you will ever get that as your graphics card doesn't support it.

mr_matalino
Nov 15, 2007, 12:59 PM
Why would people rate this a negative?

cpnotebook80
Nov 15, 2007, 01:00 PM
Can anyone confirm the update fixing firewire issues with WD external drives?
thanks

dr_lha
Nov 15, 2007, 01:01 PM
seriously? that's weird.

I have a 12" PB but have not installed 10.5 yet. A question... how does Leopard run on it? Better than Tiger?
Not better than Tiger IMHO, but pretty damn decently considering.

I'm just waiting for someone to chime in and say the reason the 12" PB doesn't have the transparent menubar is because its graphics card isn't up to it. :rolleyes:

OllyW
Nov 15, 2007, 01:01 PM
Just loaded it on my MBP.

Repairing permissions still takes ages!

goosnarrggh
Nov 15, 2007, 01:04 PM
Damn still no transparent menu bar on 12" powerbooks.

And that's something worth getting upset about?

I have Leopard on my 12" PB (1.5 GHz, 1.25 GB), and honestly, I hadn't even noticed whether the menu bar was transparent or not. Now I'll have to check when I get home...

ungraphic
Nov 15, 2007, 01:05 PM
Hieratical menus in Stacks?

Better icons for Stacks?

Text messaging from Address Book again?

No, thought not... :(

Thats terrible. Looks like steve jobs' reality distortion field has really gotten to him.

AppleMojo
Nov 15, 2007, 01:06 PM
Server and Desktop!

dr_lha
Nov 15, 2007, 01:07 PM
Just loaded it on my MBP.

Repairing permissions still takes ages!
Then don't repair permissions. We're not still using 10.1 you know.

And that's something worth getting upset about?

I have Leopard on my 12" PB (1.5 GHz, 1.25 GB), and honestly, I hadn't even noticed whether the menu bar was transparent or not. Now I'll have to check when I get home...
Trust me, it isn't.

John A
Nov 15, 2007, 01:09 PM
Looks like they changed the wording of the firewall options to something more appropriate:

http://macsecure.com/2007/11/15/mac-os-1051-update-security-changes/

Jovian9
Nov 15, 2007, 01:09 PM
Just loaded it on my MBP.

Repairing permissions still takes ages!

Why is that? It was very fast on Tiger but is SuperSlow on Leopard. Can't wait to get home and try this out. My C2D iMac has seemed very sluggish and slower since I upgraded to Leopard. Hopefully this helps some :rolleyes:

heehee
Nov 15, 2007, 01:09 PM
39.8 for my MBP.

Dwight Schrute
Nov 15, 2007, 01:10 PM
Then don't repair permissions. We're not still using 10.1 you know.


I can't believe people are still doing this. Superstition is a force to be reckoned with...

mac-slap-happy
Nov 15, 2007, 01:11 PM
No problems so far on a SR MBP. Install went smoothly.

tribulation
Nov 15, 2007, 01:11 PM
Hieratical menus in Stacks?

Better icons for Stacks?

Text messaging from Address Book again?

No, thought not... :(

WHAT A DAMN DISAPPOINTMENT. that little list of updates in 10.5.1 dont even cover the other huge bugs that mine has on a mac pro,total joke :mad:
and all of the complaints about stacks and the menu bar and no option?? wtf??!
i downgraded to tiger so i could have a working and good system but didnt think it'd be for too long.i guess it will be
with the .1 release theres no way they will release another update anytime soon.
to repeat WHAT A JOKE leopard has turned out to be!! :mad:

cyprian.pl
Nov 15, 2007, 01:14 PM
Lock'n'loaded! :cool:

Indeed seems much snappier.

Hopefully Time Machine will keep on rolling after restarts [got a new Freecom Tough Drive, white one with FW, but Time Machine didn't want to continue aborted download :( so disappointing, now formated it again after having installed this update and trying to backup].

Stacks and menu bar still the same though :(

kagharaht
Nov 15, 2007, 01:15 PM
Hope it enables the Flux Capacitor in Time Machine. That Marty McFly guy owes me a Pepsi. :p

dr_lha
Nov 15, 2007, 01:15 PM
WHAT A DAMN DISAPPOINTMENT. that little list of updates in 10.5.1 dont even cover the other huge bugs that mine has on a mac pro,total joke :mad:
and all of the complaints about stacks and the menu bar and no option?? wtf??!
i downgraded to tiger so i could have a working and good system but didnt think it'd be for too long.i guess it will be
with the .1 release theres no way they will release another update anytime soon.
to repeat WHAT A JOKE leopard has turned out to be!! :mad:
First of call: Calm Down.

Secondly: Traditionally a 10.x.1 release is going to consist of mainly bug fixes that were found after GM, mostly internally, and is not going to add any new features. Expect to see some of the bigger user complains and issues being addressed in 10.5.2 and 10.5.3. 10.5.1 is a small patch to fix the most heinous of bugs.

MacinSas
Nov 15, 2007, 01:16 PM
That and occasional inability to wake from a long nap are the main issues I have been having with Leopard.

Can anyone plug their D-Link into a hub and actually have their Bluetooth goodies or their system work?

slicecom
Nov 15, 2007, 01:16 PM
I'm disappointed that there are no changes to stacks or the menu bar, but not surprised.

Maniamac
Nov 15, 2007, 01:16 PM
Unfortunately, it looks like the lack of menu bar translucence isn't a bug, after all.

The determinant for menu bar translucence is GPU support for Quartz GL. The GeForce FX 5200 does not support that, so no translucent menu bar.

You can verify this, using Quartz Debug: "Quartz GL Not Supported" is grayed out and in place of "Enable Quartz GL," which you'll find with GPUs that can support it.

It still seems rather odd to me, considering that Quartz GL is Quartz 2D Extreme renamed, the minimum requirements for which are a Radeon 9600 or better, or a *GeForce FX* or better, IIRC.

thekorksta
Nov 15, 2007, 01:17 PM
Good job Apple

Another update like this and you might want to release Leopard to the public.

aussie_geek
Nov 15, 2007, 01:18 PM
Is this update ok with DIVX installed?? i had to remove all the the divx components prior to leopard install.


aussie_geek

odinsride
Nov 15, 2007, 01:19 PM
Can anyone confirm...

Fix for MBP Screen turning off issue
Fix for Screencapture Memory Leak
Fix for Expose forgetting Hotkey settings?

I'm at work and can't try it out :/

AndyMulhearn
Nov 15, 2007, 01:19 PM
Damn still no transparent menu bar on 12" powerbooks.

You say that like it's a bad thing :p

FreeState
Nov 15, 2007, 01:19 PM
downgraded to tiger so i could have a working and good system but didnt think it'd be for too long.i guess it will be
with the .1 release theres no way they will release another update anytime soon.
to repeat WHAT A JOKE leopard has turned out to be!! :mad:

So you downgraded and how exactly can you tell on a system running Tiger if the update to Leopard did not fix some of your bugs that you didn't list above? (Stacks and transparent menu bar are not bugs). Apple never lists all the bugs that are fixed in an update in those tech notes.

steinlager
Nov 15, 2007, 01:19 PM
Can definitely feel an immediately improvement in performance and snappiness of applications. Doesn't take 20 bounces for Firefox to load anymore!

Quillz
Nov 15, 2007, 01:20 PM
Installed it, works great for me.

darthraige
Nov 15, 2007, 01:21 PM
Now I can only hope a new MacPro will be released next Tuesday. Hopefully Apple was just waiting for the update so the new MacPro can be more stable with Leopard.

vassillios
Nov 15, 2007, 01:23 PM
WHAT A DAMN DISAPPOINTMENT. that little list of updates in 10.5.1 dont even cover the other huge bugs that mine has on a mac pro,total joke :mad:
and all of the complaints about stacks and the menu bar and no option?? wtf??!
i downgraded to tiger so i could have a working and good system but didnt think it'd be for too long.i guess it will be
with the .1 release theres no way they will release another update anytime soon.
to repeat WHAT A JOKE leopard has turned out to be!! :mad:

I guess the joke's on you

jonny
Nov 15, 2007, 01:23 PM
Can I play Call of Duty 2 yet? :(

tribulation
Nov 15, 2007, 01:24 PM
First of call: Calm Down.

Secondly: Traditionally a 10.x.1 release is going to consist of mainly bug fixes that were found after GM, mostly internally, and is not going to add any new features. Expect to see some of the bigger user complains and issues being addressed in 10.5.2 and 10.5.3. 10.5.1 is a small patch to fix the most heinous of bugs.

i'd calm down if the $129 I wasted worked on my top of the line mac pro :mad:
and it doesnt.putting aside the asinine removal of dock hierarchal folders and simple options to reduce the ugly translucent menu bar,my system is still not usable.clean install and all
my x1900 high end graphics card puts lines all over the screen in leopard,if you think its just me and i'm blowing it out of proportion just look at apple discussions for samples. that and giant yellow and purple shapes that appear all over the screen at random.tiger never did this and hasnt done it since i went back so it is NOT a hardware issue.and no it is not fixed in 10.5.1,i just tried.
so a huge issue like this is just ignored and passed over by :apple: even though it is affecting thousands of mac pro high end customers majorily?! thats not what i'd call an update that should have been never needed

and back to the missing aka REMOVED 'enhanced' features in leopard like the stacks,menu bar,view options staying set and being stable,and a thousand other things ---- yes i am mad as hell at that. even the stacks feature that they demoed to the world in the public WWDC video showed them working MUCH differently.so much differently that it is another feature entirely. leopard is so half-as@ it isnt even funny so yes i have the right to be mad

tribulation
Nov 15, 2007, 01:25 PM
So you downgraded and how exactly can you tell on a system running Tiger if the update to Leopard did not fix some of your bugs that you didn't list above? (Stacks and transparent menu bar are not bugs). Apple never lists all the bugs that are fixed in an update in those tech notes.

dual boot

Mydel
Nov 15, 2007, 01:25 PM
Can anyone confirm...
Fix for MBP Screen turning off issue
I'm at work and can't try it out :/

Unfortunately still no luck with dimming the screen on MBP....after restart still going dark after 10 min :(

uNext
Nov 15, 2007, 01:25 PM
I said it before ill say it again.

Leopard is vista but done the mac way.


What a disappointment overall.

vassillios
Nov 15, 2007, 01:25 PM
Can anyone confirm...

Fix for MBP Screen turning off issue
Fix for Screencapture Memory Leak
Fix for Expose forgetting Hotkey settings?

I'm at work and can't try it out :/


I can confirm that:

a) never had an issue
b) never had an issue
c) never had an issue

dadudeness
Nov 15, 2007, 01:25 PM
i just updated my MB but cant see any visual differences so far. no crash yet :D

does anyone know if the security/firewall issues were touched?

vassillios
Nov 15, 2007, 01:26 PM
Can I play Call of Duty 2 yet? :(

I've never had an issue playing it pre Leo and post Leo

mac-slap-happy
Nov 15, 2007, 01:27 PM
Is this update ok with DIVX installed?? i had to remove all the the divx components prior to leopard install.
aussie_geek

DivX installed here prior to update. No problems on this end.

Eduardo1971
Nov 15, 2007, 01:27 PM
Whoohoo!

Now that I've backed up 10.4.10; I'll be able to load 10.5; err 10.5.1!

chelsel
Nov 15, 2007, 01:27 PM
Let me be the first to ask when 10.5.2 is coming out? Any ideas?

Mydel
Nov 15, 2007, 01:27 PM
I can confirm that:

a) never had an issue
b) never had an issue
c) never had an issue

Really?? I always had that problem, I mean dimming the screen after restart no matter what I change in system preferences. Not only in 10.5 but 10.4 as well. And not only on one computer.
So maybe you think about something else???

EMU1337
Nov 15, 2007, 01:28 PM
Just did the software update after installing 10.5.1 and there is now a graphics firmware update for the Aluminum iMac (1.2.1). Hopefully this will fix issues due to the ATI 2600HD in the new iMacs.

zioxide
Nov 15, 2007, 01:28 PM
i'd calm down if the $129 I wasted worked on my top of the line mac pro :mad:
and it doesnt.putting aside the asinine removal of dock hierarchal folders and simple options to reduce the ugly translucent menu bar,my system is still not usable.clean install and all
my x1900 high end graphics card puts lines all over the screen in leopard,if you think its just me and i'm blowing it out of proportion just look at apple discussions for samples. that and giant yellow and purple shapes that appear all over the screen at random.tiger never did this and hasnt done it since i went back so it is NOT a hardware issue.and no it is not fixed in 10.5.1,i just tried.
so a huge issue like this is just ignored and passed over by :apple: even though it is affecting thousands of mac pro high end customers majorily?! thats not what i'd call an update that should have been never needed

and back to the missing aka REMOVED 'enhanced' features in leopard like the stacks,menu bar,view options staying set and being stable,and a thousand other things ---- yes i am mad as hell at that. even the stacks feature that they demoed to the world in the public WWDC video showed them working MUCH differently.so much differently that it is another feature entirely. leopard is so half-as@ it isnt even funny so yes i have the right to be mad

go buy a vista pc.

tibi08
Nov 15, 2007, 01:29 PM
That installer (on the blue background) took forever on my MacBook, and actually had me worried for a little while... oh and the restart was really slow, too...

But I just let it be and when it finally rebootes, 10.5.1 seems very nice. :)

Yes it took forever - I thought I'd bricked my MBP

vassillios
Nov 15, 2007, 01:29 PM
I said it before ill say it again.

Leopard is vista but done the mac way.


What a disappointment overall.


Hmmmm...couldn't disagree more

dr_lha
Nov 15, 2007, 01:29 PM
Unfortunately, it looks like the lack of menu bar translucence isn't a bug, after all.

The determinant for menu bar translucence is GPU support for Quartz GL. The GeForce FX 5200 does not support that, so no translucent menu bar.

You can verify this, using Quartz Debug: "Quartz GL Not Supported" is grayed out and in place of "Enable Quartz GL," which you'll find with GPUs that can support it.

It still seems rather odd to me, considering that Quartz GL is Quartz 2D Extreme renamed, the minimum requirements for which are a Radeon 9600 or better, or a *GeForce FX* or better, IIRC.
If this is true then why is a 12" PB capable of doing the exact same effect in menu backgrounds? How come I can fill half the screen with a blurry transparant menu, but not the top 5% of the screen with a menu bar using the same effect, which's background is static?

EDIT: I'd say that I'm sure some bug in the GeForce * 5200 card is to blame, but I can't imagine its not easy for Apple to work around it. That said, its not really a big deal and there are bigger things to fix/add.

bytethese
Nov 15, 2007, 01:30 PM
I keep reading and a post here and there says that X feature is snappier. I can't get the "Inconceivable!" "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." dialog from my head. :)

vassillios
Nov 15, 2007, 01:30 PM
Really?? I always had that problem, I mean dimming the screen after restart no matter what I change in system preferences. Not only in 10.5 but 10.4 as well. And not only on one computer.
So maybe you think about something else???

Ahhhh i see. I thought you meant the screen would just go blank...yeah...i've noticed that too.

*GG*
Nov 15, 2007, 01:31 PM
Just did the software update after installing 10.5.1 and there is now a graphics firmware update for the Aluminum iMac (1.2.1). Hopefully this will fix issues due to the ATI 2600HD in the new iMacs.

I got that as well. Fingers crossed this solves the problems. I am hoping.

tibi08
Nov 15, 2007, 01:31 PM
I keep reading and a post here and there says that X feature is snappier. I can't get the "Inconceivable!" "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." dialog from my head. :)

Is it just me or does Safari feel slightly snappier?

benspratling
Nov 15, 2007, 01:31 PM
Damn still no transparent menu bar on 12" powerbooks.

Maybe I should switch back to using my 12" PowerBook. I can't figure out how to get back the beautiful Tiger Menu bar. Not the menus mind you, just the menu bar. The leopard menus look awesome, except for the menu bar.

slicecom
Nov 15, 2007, 01:32 PM
When will this snappier nonsense die!? It was funny 3 years ago...

AppleMojo
Nov 15, 2007, 01:32 PM
Really?? I always had that problem, I mean dimming the screen after restart no matter what I change in system preferences. Not only in 10.5 but 10.4 as well. And not only on one computer.
So maybe you think about something else???

It's obviously not going to happen to everyone...

I haven't had the first two issues ever, but I've had my Expose preferences reset multiple times on multiple machines.

I imagine they are working down a list of bugs like any developer does, those that affect the operation of the OS for the greatest audience will get dealt with first.

I have a laundry list as well, but I am just glad to finally have a 24" iMac that isn't freezing! :-)

swordfish5736
Nov 15, 2007, 01:32 PM
not sure if this has been mentioned by anyone else but i went to update and also got a graphics update for my 24"imac

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3566/picture1cl8.jpg
Click for larger

naftalim
Nov 15, 2007, 01:33 PM
Have you ever seen any OS or major software product released that didn't have some bugs? Software is created by humans and humans aren't perfect. Overall, the system works quite well, and Apple is responding fairly quickly to issues.

As for Vista, it costs a lot more than $129 and if you don't like it you can go back to XP or wait another 5 years for Vista 2 or whatever they call their next monstrosity


I said it before ill say it again.

Leopard is vista but done the mac way.


What a disappointment overall.

izzle22
Nov 15, 2007, 01:34 PM
Really?? I always had that problem, I mean dimming the screen after restart no matter what I change in system preferences. Not only in 10.5 but 10.4 as well. And not only on one computer.
So maybe you think about something else???

I do not have and never have had these problems either.

winterstate
Nov 15, 2007, 01:35 PM
Hmm, when will we be able to use Time Machine via an Airport Extreme drive without using the bootleg workaround??

mikes63737
Nov 15, 2007, 01:35 PM
That was fast...

I hope it fixes those sleep problems I've been having with my MBP, even though it doesn't say it does.

AppleMojo
Nov 15, 2007, 01:35 PM
iMac update as well?!

Just did another update check after 10.5.1...

Nice!

tibi08
Nov 15, 2007, 01:35 PM
not sure if this has been mentioned by anyone else but i went to update and also got a graphics update for my 24"imac

If I were you, I'd get someone in to sort out that thermostat rather than doing it yourself...

airfang
Nov 15, 2007, 01:36 PM
wonder if they fixed the logitech driver issue...

currently logitech mouse will stop responding when resumed from sleep:confused:

pwygant
Nov 15, 2007, 01:36 PM
Still missing the sound for "new mail"!

vassillios
Nov 15, 2007, 01:37 PM
I do not have and never have had these problems either.

I think perhaps it pertains to notebooks only

dr_lha
Nov 15, 2007, 01:37 PM
If I were you, I'd get someone in to sort out that thermostat rather than doing it yourself...

Mr Weiner is too busy watching The Royal Tennenbaums I'd guess.

blackslayer
Nov 15, 2007, 01:38 PM
that is weird. i don get to see any 10.5.1 from my software update... i have to download from the apple website:cool:

Maniamac
Nov 15, 2007, 01:39 PM
If this is true then why is a 12" PB capable of doing the exact same effect in menu backgrounds? How come I can fill half the screen with a blurry transparant menu, but not the top 5% of the screen with a menu bar using the same effect, which's background is static?

EDIT: I'd say that I'm sure some bug in the GeForce * 5200 card is to blame, but I can't imagine its not easy for Apple to work around it. That said, its not really a big deal and there are bigger things to fix/add.

Well, because it really isn't the exact same effect. Menus in Leopard really are translucent, as you said. For instance, if you pull down a menu over a playing movie, you still see the movie (though blurred) underneath it.

The menu bar translucence is actually faked. It's really opaque, but since it draws a blurry copy of your wallpaper, it lends the menu bar a transparent sort of appearance.

That said, I agree with you that Quartz GL has been disabled on the GeForce FX 5200 even though the card technically supports it. Perhaps it performs poorly. Perhaps it's STILL too buggy on NVidia cards. Perhaps Apple is hoping that by so doing, a lot of computers still using that card will be replaced so that their owners don't feel the guilt of obsoletism staring back at them every time they use their machine. It's like how many licks it takes to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop: the world may never know.

alljunks
Nov 15, 2007, 01:41 PM
update already...1st thing I will be doing when get home...

mac-convert
Nov 15, 2007, 01:41 PM
wonder if they fixed the logitech driver issue...

currently logitech mouse will stop responding when resumed from sleep:confused:

I am wondering if you went out to logitech's web site and downloaded the current driver. I have the S530 and I'm not having those issues (on a mac-mini). I did get the bluescreen on the upgrade to Leopard, but resolved that.

All in all, I am pleased with Apple in releasing this so quickly. Everything is running well for me so far.

goosnarrggh
Nov 15, 2007, 01:42 PM
Unfortunately, it looks like the lack of menu bar translucence isn't a bug, after all.

The determinant for menu bar translucence is GPU support for Quartz GL. The GeForce FX 5200 does not support that, so no translucent menu bar.

You can verify this, using Quartz Debug: "Quartz GL Not Supported" is grayed out and in place of "Enable Quartz GL," which you'll find with GPUs that can support it.

It still seems rather odd to me, considering that Quartz GL is Quartz 2D Extreme renamed, the minimum requirements for which are a Radeon 9600 or better, or a *GeForce FX* or better, IIRC.

Here's Apple's take on the issue:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=306894

writeous
Nov 15, 2007, 01:42 PM
Any changes to Front Row?

Eidorian
Nov 15, 2007, 01:43 PM
For MacBook Santa Rosa users it looks like Apple updated the GMA X3100 driver so that performance isn't impaired when using more the 1 GB (2 x 512 MB) of RAM.

This is only from synthetic benchmarks done using OpenMark.

dr_lha
Nov 15, 2007, 01:44 PM
The menu bar translucence is actually faked. It's really opaque, but since it draws a blurry copy of your wallpaper, it lends the menu bar a transparent sort of appearance.

Surely that should be an easier effect to do that the menu translucency because it doesn't need to be updated in real time? I mean, that's the sort of thing you could do easily in software, let alone needing a GFX card to do it! :)

That said, I agree with you that Quartz GL has been disabled on the GeForce FX 5200 even though the card technically supports it. Perhaps it performs poorly. Perhaps it's STILL too buggy on NVidia cards.

I'm just not convinced "Quartz GL" is actually needed to do that effect.

Perhaps Apple is hoping that by so doing, a lot of computers still using that card will be replaced so that their owners don't feel the guilt of obsoletism staring back at them every time they use their machine.
I think we're getting closer to the truth here. I can accept that its a bug/issue with the 5200 GFX cards, I can't accept there's no work around. However I can see Apple just considering it to be a non-issue and not fixing it because those computers will go away some day anyway.

dr_lha
Nov 15, 2007, 01:44 PM
Any changes to Front Row?
No.

Here's Apple's take on the issue:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=306894
All that tells me is that Apple have decided is not worth fixing. ;)

Chris F
Nov 15, 2007, 01:44 PM
Really hoping this fixes the Airport driver kernel panic problems though they are not specifically mentioned in the tech note. Being forced to use Ethernet for the MBP is a hassle. Only a few hours till I get out of work and can find out.

chambers7
Nov 15, 2007, 01:46 PM
My sound on my macbook speakers isn't working. i did a fresh install and the sound still isn't working. the sound works over my speakers but not on my macbook! :mad::mad::mad:

i still love you :apple:

mac-convert
Nov 15, 2007, 01:46 PM
Any changes to Front Row?

Nothing apparent - I just checked it and it's version 2.0(229). I'm not sure what the version was before the upgrade. Are you hoping that the original screens came back?

harmonium
Nov 15, 2007, 01:47 PM
Still no wireless internet for me. I guess if I really want wireless I'll have to boot into Windows Vista where it works perfectly. :confused:

mrJnC
Nov 15, 2007, 01:47 PM
FWIW, searching "entire message" in mail.app still isn't working with 10.5.1.

thekorksta
Nov 15, 2007, 01:48 PM
Can definitely feel an immediately improvement in performance and snappiness of applications. Doesn't take 20 bounces for Firefox to load anymore!

I went from 16 bounces to 1 bounce to open firefox on my MBP since the update,

Anyone else rush out to but Lepard only to feel like one pays for the privalege of testing apples software for them?

oh well we love apple anyway right?

ratspg
Nov 15, 2007, 01:50 PM
I hope the driver updates in 10.5.1 provide sooome improvement :)

tibi08
Nov 15, 2007, 01:50 PM
I went from 16 bounces to 1 bounce to open firefox on my MBP since the update,

Anyone else rush out to but Lepard only to feel like one pays for the privalege of testing apples software for them?

oh well we love apple anyway right?

Still 11 bounces on my MBP - are you sure about that?

bhjs1
Nov 15, 2007, 01:51 PM
everything seems to be a bit trimmed down...dashboard loaded much faster for me after reboot...

mac-convert
Nov 15, 2007, 01:51 PM
Still 11 bounces on my MBP - are you sure about that?

Ha - seven on my mac-mini 1.83

cohibadad
Nov 15, 2007, 01:52 PM
i'd calm down if the $129 I wasted worked on my top of the line mac pro :mad:

blah blah blah

leopard is so half-as@ it isnt even funny so yes i have the right to be mad

you have the right to be a lot of things

Sussman
Nov 15, 2007, 01:52 PM
downloading now and noticed it is only 39MB for macbook

thekorksta
Nov 15, 2007, 01:53 PM
ummmmm NO!


So everything apple releases works perfect for you then?

4God
Nov 15, 2007, 01:54 PM
The iMac graphics firmware update seems to make things even smoother for me.
I'll bet it helps those freezers.

vassillios
Nov 15, 2007, 01:54 PM
So everything apple releases works perfect for you then?

That was not the question.......

thekorksta
Nov 15, 2007, 01:55 PM
Still 11 bounces on my MBP - are you sure about that?

yup , pretty sure

Telp
Nov 15, 2007, 01:55 PM
go buy a vista pc.

why dont you? You would probably do better on that side. He has every right to complain, and apple really should be on top of those problems. Get your head outta your fantasy world and realize apple isn't perfect and vista is the quintessence of a crappy system.

rmh
Nov 15, 2007, 01:55 PM
So everything apple releases works perfect for you then?

Does anything that ANYONE releases work perfectly for everyone in its first version?

tibi08
Nov 15, 2007, 01:56 PM
yup , pretty sure

Think you mean second time round - try rebooting and launching it again. No way only 1 bounce

madmax_2069
Nov 15, 2007, 01:56 PM
at least the progress bar works wile repairing permissions, but it still takes 10 years to do anything.

the update for me went flawlessly, it didn't restart twice for me like Tiger sometimes does (even the 10.4.11 update didn't reboot 2 times like it normally does). things are a bit more responsive and work more smoothly. still a few things need work, but Apple seems to be going in the correct direction

The Enterpriser
Nov 15, 2007, 01:56 PM
I've noticed Skype now works correctly in Leopard. I had serious problems getting it to launch more than once per install. That seems to have been fixed...somehow. (same Skype as pre 10.5.1)

Anecdotal, but interesting.

tibi08
Nov 15, 2007, 01:57 PM
Does anything that ANYONE releases work perfectly for everyone in its first version?

Yes my TV, Sky box, fridge, oven, hob, camera, ipod, car, bed, sofa

briansanderson
Nov 15, 2007, 01:57 PM
does not look like the spotlight issue was addressed at all. it still does not search my library folder unless I tell it to specifically. i was hoping this would be fixed but hopefully it will be in the next update.

AppleCandidate
Nov 15, 2007, 01:57 PM
Did anyone experience any improvement in the animation? Is it still jerky if it was like that before? It's still the same on my Mac Mini :(

vassillios
Nov 15, 2007, 01:58 PM
I've noticed Skype now works correctly in Leopard. I had serious problems getting it to launch more than once per install. That seems to have been fixed...somehow. (same Skype as pre 10.5.1)

Anecdotal, but interesting.

this is most likely due to the firewall fix

Eidorian
Nov 15, 2007, 01:58 PM
I hope the driver updates in 10.5.1 provide sooome improvement :)It does.

Vanilla
Nov 15, 2007, 01:59 PM
Just loaded it on my MBP.

Repairing permissions still takes ages!

Repairing permissions was the first thing I checked and sadly it's still scr*wed. It hangs on "estimated time: less than 1 minute" fffoorrreeeeevvvveeeeerrrr...

I get a lot of warning messages as well, which I've not seen before, not sure if I should be worried or not.

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Warning: SUID file "usr/libexec/load_hdi" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/DiskManagement.framework/Versions/A/Resources/DiskManagementTool" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/DesktopServicesPriv.framework/Versions/A/Resources/Locum" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Install.framework/Versions/A/Resources/runner" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Admin.framework/Versions/A/Resources/readconfig" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Admin.framework/Versions/A/Resources/writeconfig" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "usr/libexec/authopen" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/Resources/OwnerGroupTool" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/CoreServices/RemoteManagement/ARDAgent.app/Contents/MacOS/ARDAgent" has been modified and will not be repaired.
----------------------

le sacre
Nov 15, 2007, 01:59 PM
Maybe I should switch back to using my 12" PowerBook. I can't figure out how to get back the beautiful Tiger Menu bar. Not the menus mind you, just the menu bar. The leopard menus look awesome, except for the menu bar.

the easy but annoying solution to the menubar problem is to add a menubar-sized black (or any other solid color) rectangle to the top of all your desktop images. this is not ideal because it's a time-consuming step to take if you want a new desktop picture, but it works quite nicely.

Hls811
Nov 15, 2007, 02:00 PM
When will this snappier nonsense die!? It was funny 3 years ago...

I must admit, I still giggle a little bit the first time I see someone say that in a thread..

Mitthrawnuruodo
Nov 15, 2007, 02:02 PM
"System/Library/CoreServices/RemoteManagement/ARDAgent.app/Contents/MacOS/ARDAgent" has been modified and will not be repaired.
----------------------This one, at least, is not a problem (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=386395)

tribulation
Nov 15, 2007, 02:02 PM
Now I can only hope a new MacPro will be released next Tuesday. Hopefully Apple was just waiting for the update so the new MacPro can be more stable with Leopard.

I can guarantee you that my quad mac pro with the x1900 is very very very unstable with leopard.that is with the 10.5.1 update,like i said i am defaulting my dual boot to the tiger install

mac-convert
Nov 15, 2007, 02:03 PM
Did anyone experience any improvement in the animation? Is it still jerky if it was like that before? It's still the same on my Mac Mini :(

I just went through some things, and haven't noticed any jerkiness on my mini, either before or after the upgrade. I also had no issues in Tiger. It's the 1.83 and I did upgrade to 2GB of memory. I know that doesn't affect the video memory capacity, but it does make it run really nice.

lamina
Nov 15, 2007, 02:03 PM
Running great on my 17" PowerBook.

Only ~38MB too...

PS: Stacks animations are much smoother. Especially with the applications stack. Well done.

Analog Kid
Nov 15, 2007, 02:03 PM
Nothing apparent - I just checked it and it's version 2.0(229). I'm not sure what the version was before the upgrade. Are you hoping that the original screens came back?

I'm at version 1.0 pre-update.

AppleCandidate
Nov 15, 2007, 02:03 PM
I get the same error messages when I try to repair permissions - it worked fine for me before..... i'm getting closer to revert to tiger, i don't think Apple knows what they're doing anymore. As a Windows user I was super impressed with Tiger which I used for several weeks before I got my Mac upgrade - now, i'm really disappointed!

vassillios
Nov 15, 2007, 02:03 PM
This one, at least, is not a problem (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=386395)

Thank god Apple cleared that up with that informative and insightful description.

Decrepit
Nov 15, 2007, 02:04 PM
10.5.1 does not fix the Mac Mini 1.42GHz graphics issues in Time Machine.

Just an FYI.

thekorksta
Nov 15, 2007, 02:04 PM
That was not the question.......

fair enough vassillios I did not quite ask that question. But after the rush of going out and buying leopard and spending hours on the phone to apple and many more figuring stuff out myself on a reletivly new piece of hardware, I couldnt help wonder if it wasnt quite ready for general release. Indeed part of the process of releasing a new OS invloves many customers discovering the issues themselves and reporting back to apple. Perhaps as thorough testing is practically impossible for Apple to do 100%.

kwfl
Nov 15, 2007, 02:04 PM
hopefully this will address the issue with disk utility when u do repair disk permissions, it wont start. and i have to abort it.

TheSpaz
Nov 15, 2007, 02:04 PM
Few things:

Who the hell is repairing permissions every day? I very rarely do it because repairing permissions has become the "magic problem solver option" for some reason and it's not. Whenever you have a problem, it's most likely NOT due to permissions.

Also, Screen Capture memory leak? What is screen capture? Are you referring to "Grab" which nobody uses, or are you referring to cmd-shift-3?

I just hope it makes my video card fly again.

dr_lha
Nov 15, 2007, 02:06 PM
10.5.1 does not fix the Mac Mini 1.42GHz graphics issues in Time Machine.

Just an FYI.
FMI: What graphics issues are those?

Who the hell is repairing permissions every day?
Its a form of OCD.

Rocketman
Nov 15, 2007, 02:06 PM
Good job Apple

Another update like this and you might want to release Leopard to the public.

My thought too.

I bought a SR MB day 1 (10.5.0) and after today's update will begin using it, but not on critical stuff till 10.5.2.

Rocketman

Woo hoo! (There. I said it)

swordfish5736
Nov 15, 2007, 02:06 PM
If I were you, I'd get someone in to sort out that thermostat rather than doing it yourself...

its for the coolant thermostat on a bimmer. I do all my own work and had to make a DIY for a friend:D

Cloudane
Nov 15, 2007, 02:07 PM
Nice quick work by Apple as usual.

I love how people are expecting extra features/options like improvements to Stacks... it's never going to happen. Deal with it (or hack it) :) I've never heard of Apple doing such a thing in minor updates (anything except bug fixes), and improved stack functionality would be a good selling point for 10.6.

Transparency's not going away either. Those who dislike it had better hope they don't take as many paid upgrades to finally eradicate it as they did with the pinstripes ;)

quovadis
Nov 15, 2007, 02:07 PM
Firewall: "allow only essential services" is now the default

General: "Use secure VM" is checked by default

mikejd1
Nov 15, 2007, 02:07 PM
I noticed that after installing the 10.5.1 and imac graphics update spaces seems so much smoother. I don't receive a weird rigid type effect when clicking the spaces icon, so smooth now

dt1611
Nov 15, 2007, 02:07 PM
running much better on my iMac "24

no video card freezing yet!!!!

DizzyRose
Nov 15, 2007, 02:07 PM
MacBook

Core 2 Duo

Download size 39.8 MB A little different than others...?

psychofreak
Nov 15, 2007, 02:07 PM
I've had no stability problems, but hopefully this will fix the repairing permissions for me...

C225
Nov 15, 2007, 02:09 PM
Downloaded this and the imac graphics and it seemed to take an age to open installer script then the whole bar filled and computer restarted(only once) then when logged in it did the graphics firmware update and needed to be restarted.

Seems to be working fine no real difference for me.

Decrepit
Nov 15, 2007, 02:09 PM
FMI: What graphics issues are those?

When you switch to Time Machine, the whole screen freaks out and flickers violently.

This is at 1920x1200. All graphics were fine in Tiger, but in Leopard some things just go nuts.

The Time Machine interface screen is the worst and easiest to reproduce. But if you minimize an application to the dock, and then restore it to the desktop, the display turns upside down for about one second, and then fixes itself.

So there are some graphics glitches new to Leopard with the original Mini at very high resolutions.

I am still looking for a way to turn off the background starfield effect in Time Machine, since that is the problem on that screen. The other stuff is minor, but the Time Machine screen looks like it's going to damage my display or something. It's very very unhappy.

vassillios
Nov 15, 2007, 02:09 PM
fair enough vassillios I did not quite ask that question. But after the rush of going out and buying leopard and spending hours on the phone to apple and many more figuring stuff out myself on a reletivly new piece of hardware, I couldnt help wonder if it wasnt quite ready for general release. Indeed part of the process of releasing a new OS invloves many customers discovering the issues themselves and reporting back to apple. Perhaps as thorough testing is practically impossible for Apple to do 100%.


Much clearer, thank you. I think the problem is that everybody's system is different (to a degree) and everybody uses their system differently. I, for one, have not experienced any problems and have been EXTREMELY happy with my purchase of Leopard. In fact....everything, for me, has been for the better.

Having said that, I can appreciate the fact that some users are having growing pains, but that is to be expected. There were much bigger pains in the transition to Tiger....but most seem to have forgotten that or never experienced those pains if Tiger was their introduction to the Mac OS.

mac-convert
Nov 15, 2007, 02:10 PM
Firewall: "allow only essential services" is now the default

General: "Use secure VM" is checked by default

Use secure VM is NOT checked on mine, and I never changed it in the past.

thekorksta
Nov 15, 2007, 02:11 PM
Think you mean second time round - try rebooting and launching it again. No way only 1 bounce

of course youre right, no way 1 bounce. After a reboot I now get 6 still a bit better

Feverish Flux
Nov 15, 2007, 02:11 PM
Fixed the issues I was having with Google Earth for some reason (maybe a result of cache), but I'm still waiting for .2 or .3 to put it on my production machine.

swordfish5736
Nov 15, 2007, 02:12 PM
oh ya...it was 39 megs on my imac and powerbook

HyperX
Nov 15, 2007, 02:13 PM
Does it fix the MBP 8600M GT drivers.

They STILL sucked in 10.5 ;\

bmcgrath
Nov 15, 2007, 02:13 PM
Graphics on my 2.0ghz Core Duo Macbook Pro now run extremely smooth again like Tiger. Since I updated to Leopard all the graphics stuff had been running sluggish. This update has fixed it.
Everything seems to run smoother now.
And the firewall is fixed :)

guzhogi
Nov 15, 2007, 02:14 PM
Downloaded & installed the update. Seems okay except that disk permissions repair is taking forever. And I'm running on a 2.2 GHz MBP

phytonix
Nov 15, 2007, 02:14 PM
Does it fix the MBP 8600M GT drivers.

They STILL sucked in 10.5 ;\

maybe because they are not good?
they said it is not really faster than 7600GT, except maybe for DX10. And they are M.

adr1974
Nov 15, 2007, 02:14 PM
Yes my TV, Sky box, fridge, oven, hob, camera, ipod, car, bed, sofa

You must have really old stuff. What do you get for mileage on that model T?

kwfl
Nov 15, 2007, 02:15 PM
Repairing permissions was the first thing I checked and sadly it's still scr*wed. It hangs on "estimated time: less than 1 minute" fffoorrreeeeevvvveeeeerrrr...

I get a lot of warning messages as well, which I've not seen before, not sure if I should be worried or not.

---------
Warning: SUID file "usr/libexec/load_hdi" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/DiskManagement.framework/Versions/A/Resources/DiskManagementTool" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/DesktopServicesPriv.framework/Versions/A/Resources/Locum" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Install.framework/Versions/A/Resources/runner" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Admin.framework/Versions/A/Resources/readconfig" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Admin.framework/Versions/A/Resources/writeconfig" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "usr/libexec/authopen" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/Resources/OwnerGroupTool" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/CoreServices/RemoteManagement/ARDAgent.app/Contents/MacOS/ARDAgent" has been modified and will not be repaired.
----------------------

yeah, it stops there forever.

chairguru22
Nov 15, 2007, 02:15 PM
Anyone can confirm that the iDisk issue is fixed? My iDisk would show incorrect capacity and free space.

TheSpaz
Nov 15, 2007, 02:15 PM
Nice quick work by Apple as usual.

I love how people are expecting extra features/options like improvements to Stacks... it's never going to happen. Deal with it (or hack it) :) I've never heard of Apple doing such a thing in minor updates (anything except bug fixes), and improved stack functionality would be a good selling point for 10.6.

Transparency's not going away either. Those who dislike it had better hope they don't take as many paid upgrades to finally eradicate it as they did with the pinstripes ;)

Actually, in Tiger, they improved Dashboard by adding a widget manager. That wasn't in 10.4.0 and after they added it, they began shipping Tiger as that version out of the box. I can't remember it was 10.4.2 or 10.4.3 but, it was an added FEATURE.

FatGolfer
Nov 15, 2007, 02:15 PM
No fix for iDisk size and syncronisation issues - oh well, guess I wont renew .Mac next week then.

tribulation
Nov 15, 2007, 02:16 PM
go buy a vista pc.

i've been on the mac platform since the Mac Classic came out so this isn't going to deter me,but that doesn't excuse any of the horribly bad project management of the OSX team and the fact of letting it be sold in this current state

tiger is fine and runs great on my mac pro.i have NEVER found a reason NOT to upgrade to the latest version of the Mac OS except for now.this is a first,since system 6
i have never downgraded my mac and never thought i'd want or have to.that was always a Windows thing
i am so mad this time around because of the sheer lack of quality apple has put into leopard and the multitude and severity of the enormous bugs
in our office we have tons of mac pros with this same configuration and they ALL have the exact same major graphics flaws in leopard ----- not in tiger. so this isnt some small intractable bug that they missed. :apple: has it so easy,they only have a very small number of configurations to support and test for compared to other OSes.but they screwed this up big time and either
a] didnt bother to fix it
b] didnt want to break their deadline so released it anyways knowing damn well how serious it was
c] didnt find the bug,which is the most serious of all since it is so readily reproducible

like i and so many others have said,leopard is not public-ready and should not have been released in this state.some of you have been lucky,nice for you.most of us have not been so lucky if the computer is used for much more than simple web browsing or checking email

HyperX
Nov 15, 2007, 02:17 PM
maybe because they are not good?
they said it is not really faster than 7600GT, except maybe for DX10. And they are M.

8600M GT crashes a lot cause of crappy drivers that cause a memory leak in certain OPENGL games. Second Life is the most famous of the issues. It IS with the drivers and not with the games.

thekorksta
Nov 15, 2007, 02:17 PM
Much clearer, thank you. I think the problem is that everybody's system is different (to a degree) and everybody uses their system differently. I, for one, have not experienced any problems and have been EXTREMELY happy with my purchase of Leopard. In fact....everything, for me, has been for the better.

Having said that, I can appreciate the fact that some users are having growing pains, but that is to be expected. There were much bigger pains in the transition to Tiger....but most seem to have forgotten that or never experienced those pains if Tiger was their introduction to the Mac OS.


Strangely enough i didnt experience any issues with tiger, so yea you are right there are so many different variables that its not an exact science although at times consumers (like my self) wish it were, and get a little grumpy.

I see your using Logic 8, I hear it works like a dream.

Small White Car
Nov 15, 2007, 02:18 PM
some of you have been lucky
most of us have not been so lucky

"Some" versus "most?"

So what's that in numbers? 90% have problems? 99%?

Sure sounds terrible!

Conversly, I've been having TERRIBLE issues with Tiger on 2 of my 3 Macs for the last 2 months. I guess I should claim that "most" people are having trouble with Tiger because of it? And that you are just lucky to not have my problems?

le sacre
Nov 15, 2007, 02:19 PM
I love how people are expecting extra features/options like improvements to Stacks... it's never going to happen. Deal with it (or hack it) :) I've never heard of Apple doing such a thing in minor updates (anything except bug fixes), and improved stack functionality would be a good selling point for 10.6.

with stacks, it's not an extra or new feature we're looking for. it's the restoration of awesome function in tiger that they decided to take away for no reason (hierarchical navigation of sub-folders from the dock).

oh yeah, and the stacks icon thing would not be an extra feature either; it's just fixing an incredibly bone-headed mistake! has anyone said they like it this way? has anyone even figured out what they were thinking when they designed it this way?

EDIT: by the way, is there something we can do about these serious dock problems other than submit feedback on the apple site (and encourage others to do it (http://www.apple.com/feedback/macosx.html) as well? can we start a petition? take a poll?

psychofreak
Nov 15, 2007, 02:20 PM
Started permissions repair 'One minute' was the estimate...4 minutes in, my fans are on full (the Macbook is cool on my lap still thankfully) and its barely 2/3 done...

Analog Kid
Nov 15, 2007, 02:20 PM
fair enough vassillios I did not quite ask that question. But after the rush of going out and buying leopard and spending hours on the phone to apple and many more figuring stuff out myself on a reletivly new piece of hardware, I couldnt help wonder if it wasnt quite ready for general release. Indeed part of the process of releasing a new OS invloves many customers discovering the issues themselves and reporting back to apple. Perhaps as thorough testing is practically impossible for Apple to do 100%.
I think it's a tradeoff between debugging and getting people new stuff quickly. The tendency has been towards the latter from all manufacturers over the last 10 years, and it's really accelerated since broadband has become more ubiquitous. I'm not sure where the right line is. There are a few minor annoyances with Leopard, but nothing catastrophic for me (I haven't lost data) and it did get working backup software out to the masses which is worth something.

There's a reason IT folks always stay a major rev behind the market. In a server room, reliability is everything so they'd rather forego a few features and run a fully patched revision. Consumers still tend to think newer is better though, and it burns a few people.

Small White Car
Nov 15, 2007, 02:21 PM
oh yeah, and the stacks icon thing would not be an extra feature either; it's just fixing an incredibly bone-headed mistake!


Won't fix all of your problems, but it sure helps:

http://t.ecksdee.org/post/19001860

Rick Friele
Nov 15, 2007, 02:22 PM
The first update I got was 39MB on my MacBook, but when I restarted it gave me an error message saying the update couldn't be installed. It restarted and I ran software update again and got an update showing 109MB. Currently downloading it now.

joelovesapple
Nov 15, 2007, 02:26 PM
Is it just me or does Safari feel slightly snappier?

Well it doesnt work on my mac. I can't acces the Internet from my iMac. I am typing this from Windows XP. I tried everything and nothing works. All the utilities cannot fix my broken internet connection and it doesn't work on either Safari OR Firefox. Somethings truly messed up here. Everyone else so far can, can't they? Or is it just me...:mad:

OllyW
Nov 15, 2007, 02:26 PM
Started permissions repair 'One minute' was the estimate...4 minutes in, my fans are on full (the Macbook is cool on my lap still thankfully) and its barely 2/3 done...

My CD MBP was very slow to complete, it took at least 5 minutes.

The mini only took a minute or so without any fuss :confused:

thesdx
Nov 15, 2007, 02:27 PM
I'm not sure if it's just my imagination, but Leopard sure does seem MUCH faster and snappier.

Virgil-TB2
Nov 15, 2007, 02:29 PM
That and occasional inability to wake from a long nap are the main issues I have been having with Leopard.

Can anyone plug their D-Link into a hub and actually have their Bluetooth goodies or their system work?I use a D-Link bluetooth dongle for my wireless keyboard although I will have to drop wireless peripherals when I move to the Mac Pro.

I have Leopard installed and never noticed anything unusual or had any problems with Bluetooth.

Do you mean problems when the dongle is plugged into a router or something? never had it fail on Tiger or Leopard otherwise.

vassillios
Nov 15, 2007, 02:29 PM
i've been on the mac platform since the Mac Classic came out so this isn't going to deter me,but that doesn't excuse any of the horribly bad project management of the OSX team and the fact of letting it be sold in this current state

tiger is fine and runs great on my mac pro.i have NEVER found a reason NOT to upgrade to the latest version of the Mac OS except for now.this is a first,since system 6
i have never downgraded my mac and never thought i'd want or have to.that was always a Windows thing
i am so mad this time around because of the sheer lack of quality apple has put into leopard and the multitude and severity of the enormous bugs
in our office we have tons of mac pros with this same configuration and they ALL have the exact same major graphics flaws in leopard ----- not in tiger. so this isnt some small intractable bug that they missed. :apple: has it so easy,they only have a very small number of configurations to support and test for compared to other OSes.but they screwed this up big time and either
a] didnt bother to fix it
b] didnt want to break their deadline so released it anyways knowing damn well how serious it was
c] didnt find the bug,which is the most serious of all since it is so readily reproducible

like i and so many others have said,leopard is not public-ready and should not have been released in this state.some of you have been lucky,nice for you.most of us have not been so lucky if the computer is used for much more than simple web browsing or checking email

so music production is light weight? I use it for music production and do not have any problems......

tribulation
Nov 15, 2007, 02:31 PM
Have you ever seen any OS or major software product released that didn't have some bugs? Software is created by humans and humans aren't perfect. Overall, the system works quite well, and Apple is responding fairly quickly to issues.

As for Vista, it costs a lot more than $129 and if you don't like it you can go back to XP or wait another 5 years for Vista 2 or whatever they call their next monstrosity

software is one thing,an entire hugely popular operating system is another and requires exceedingly stricter [or it should] standards and testing,which leopard obviously seems to lack
and yes bugs are inevitable and even expected.but operating system bugs that are released to the masses should not be glaringly noticeable and obvious lack of testing or effort. that is a fact of being a major OS developer
like i said before,the severe bugs that affect mac pros that were just released and are on the shelves right this second is inexcusable
look on the :apple: support site.look at the comments about the mac pro and hi-end ATI radeon x1900 card which is the most popular pro configuration.there are thousands of posts not even counting the ones that apple is trying so hard to delete as fast as possible.then take a look at the examples people have posted of screenshots
then tell me if a mighty bug like that should have ever made it into a shipping operating system,and even if it did,why it isnt even in 10.5.1??
thats only 1 bug,there are many many other major ones that are still unfixed

jonny
Nov 15, 2007, 02:32 PM
I've never had an issue playing it pre Leo and post Leo

on a Santa Rosa Machine MBP?

vassillios
Nov 15, 2007, 02:33 PM
on a Santa Rosa Machine MBP?

mmmmm nope. MBP CD 2.16


but I don't play COD 2 any more. I installed COD 4 on my boot camp partition....WOOOW WEEEEEE it's bad ass!!!!!

joelovesapple
Nov 15, 2007, 02:34 PM
Seems that the lack of an Internet Connection is just a very small number of people then. I'll be contacting Support tomorrow.

My Internet connection on the mac was just fine before I updated.

Now it's ballsed up.

Anyone?

Hard-Hat-Mac
Nov 15, 2007, 02:34 PM
no new stack Icons... but you can use this. It's a very good idea. It gives you what looks like bins for your stacks i.e. application bin or download bin but still shows you what's inside that bin.

http://t.ecksdee.org/post/19001860

Just download the icons and move them into the specific stack. They've been modified using the touch command to always be on top.

Enjoy,

HHM

vansouza
Nov 15, 2007, 02:37 PM
Just shown up in my Software Update!

Installing now...

Mine also showed a Graphics Update 1.0

crusadernm
Nov 15, 2007, 02:38 PM
I recently switched back to Tiger. I don't feel like reinstalling until I know Leopard is stable enough to use. Get to work beta testers. :p

starflyer
Nov 15, 2007, 02:38 PM
WHAT A DAMN DISAPPOINTMENT. that little list of updates in 10.5.1 dont even cover the other huge bugs that mine has on a mac pro,total joke :mad:
and all of the complaints about stacks and the menu bar and no option?? wtf??!
i downgraded to tiger so i could have a working and good system but didnt think it'd be for too long.i guess it will be
with the .1 release theres no way they will release another update anytime soon.
to repeat WHAT A JOKE leopard has turned out to be!! :mad:
i'd calm down if the $129 I wasted worked on my top of the line mac pro :mad:
and it doesnt.putting aside the asinine removal of dock hierarchal folders and simple options to reduce the ugly translucent menu bar,my system is still not usable.clean install and all
my x1900 high end graphics card puts lines all over the screen in leopard,if you think its just me and i'm blowing it out of proportion just look at apple discussions for samples. that and giant yellow and purple shapes that appear all over the screen at random.tiger never did this and hasnt done it since i went back so it is NOT a hardware issue.and no it is not fixed in 10.5.1,i just tried.
so a huge issue like this is just ignored and passed over by :apple: even though it is affecting thousands of mac pro high end customers majorily?! thats not what i'd call an update that should have been never needed

and back to the missing aka REMOVED 'enhanced' features in leopard like the stacks,menu bar,view options staying set and being stable,and a thousand other things ---- yes i am mad as hell at that. even the stacks feature that they demoed to the world in the public WWDC video showed them working MUCH differently.so much differently that it is another feature entirely. leopard is so half-as@ it isnt even funny so yes i have the right to be mad

My Mac Pro has run like a dream ever since I upgraded to Leopard 2weeks ago. I use CS3, Mail, Safari, Stacks daily without one problem.

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7929/picture1yd5.png

Update installed fine.

no new stack Icons... but you can use this. It's a very good idea. It gives you what looks like bins for your stacks i.e. application bin or download bin but still shows you what's inside that bin.

http://t.ecksdee.org/post/19001860

Just download the icons and move them into the specific stack. They've been modified using the touch command to always be on top.

Enjoy,

HHM

I use these. Love 'em.

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/8812/picture1hd6.png

slackpacker
Nov 15, 2007, 02:38 PM
I think the people who are reporting "Snappyness" are reporting this because since the update forces you to re-boot ....this is the first time they have re-booted in a while.

jotwee
Nov 15, 2007, 02:39 PM
no new stack Icons... but you can use this. It's a very good idea. It gives you what looks like bins for your stacks i.e. application bin or download bin but still shows you what's inside that bin.

http://t.ecksdee.org/post/19001860

Just download the icons and move them into the specific stack. They've been modified using the touch command to always be on top.

Enjoy,

HHM

great idea, and great icons... unfortunately the download limit seems to be exceeded... do you know an alternative link?

rickster2k
Nov 15, 2007, 02:39 PM
I am wondering if you went out to logitech's web site and downloaded the current driver. I have the S530 and I'm not having those issues (on a mac-mini). I did get the bluescreen on the upgrade to Leopard, but resolved that.

All in all, I am pleased with Apple in releasing this so quickly. Everything is running well for me so far.

Still isn't fixed. My logitech mouse still refuses to work if it's plugged in when I put my MBP to sleep. Ah well, here's hoping for 10.5.2. :)

bpd115
Nov 15, 2007, 02:39 PM
Seems that the lack of an Internet Connection is just a very small number of people then. I'll be contacting Support tomorrow.

My Internet connection on the mac was just fine before I updated.

Now it's ballsed up.

Anyone?

Are you plugged into a router or direct to a modem? Are you getting a valid IP address? Can you ping anything by domain name or by IP address? If you are using a router and have other devices on the network can they browse the internet? Can you ping those devices?

Markleshark
Nov 15, 2007, 02:40 PM
Good so far, animations (Spaces, Stacks, Expose) are a lot smoother.

Still not correctly showing my network shares, but I guess we'll get there. ;)

g4jedi
Nov 15, 2007, 02:42 PM
I hate to tell you this dude, but you need a new video card! I'm betting you have one of the first Mac Pros with a rev1 X1900. If you have Applecare, call Apple and get your video card replaced. Trust me! I had those exact same glitches. After having Apple replace my X1900, they are gone! I have been monitoring a HUGE discussion at Apple about this here:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1195969

The reason your faulty X1900 is more apparent in Leopard than it was in Tiger is due to the fact that the entire OS interface (eye-candy) relies on the GPU and pushes it harder than Tiger did. Basically poorly designed cooling systems on the card is causing the video RAM to get toasted. This is more of an ATI issue than an Apple one.

i'd calm down if the $129 I wasted worked on my top of the line mac pro :mad:
and it doesnt.putting aside the asinine removal of dock hierarchal folders and simple options to reduce the ugly translucent menu bar,my system is still not usable.clean install and all
my x1900 high end graphics card puts lines all over the screen in leopard,if you think its just me and i'm blowing it out of proportion just look at apple discussions for samples. that and giant yellow and purple shapes that appear all over the screen at random.tiger never did this and hasnt done it since i went back so it is NOT a hardware issue.and no it is not fixed in 10.5.1,i just tried.
so a huge issue like this is just ignored and passed over by :apple: even though it is affecting thousands of mac pro high end customers majorily?! thats not what i'd call an update that should have been never needed

and back to the missing aka REMOVED 'enhanced' features in leopard like the stacks,menu bar,view options staying set and being stable,and a thousand other things ---- yes i am mad as hell at that. even the stacks feature that they demoed to the world in the public WWDC video showed them working MUCH differently.so much differently that it is another feature entirely. leopard is so half-as@ it isnt even funny so yes i have the right to be mad

Jetson
Nov 15, 2007, 02:42 PM
I think the people who are reporting "Snappyness" are reporting this because since the update forces you to re-boot ....this is the first time they have re-booted in a while.
Haha!

I have wondered about people who leave their Macs on for weeks/months at a time, and I wonder - why?

Yes some people are running servers, but there just seems to be almost an obsession with not wanting to reboot their Mac.

mac-convert
Nov 15, 2007, 02:44 PM
Still isn't fixed. My logitech mouse still refuses to work if it's plugged in when I put my MBP to sleep. Ah well, here's hoping for 10.5.2. :)

I hear ya'. Keep your eyes' on the logitech site. The S530 is a wireless keyboard and mouse setup for my mini. Sounds like you are hardwired.

vassillios
Nov 15, 2007, 02:44 PM
Haha!

I have wondered about people who leave their Macs on for weeks/months at a time, and I wonder - why?

Yes some people are running servers, but there just seems to be almost an obsession with not wanting to reboot their Mac.

Yeah, I reboot mine regularly...keeps everything "SNAPPY" :p

Hard-Hat-Mac
Nov 15, 2007, 02:44 PM
great idea, and great icons... unfortunately the download limit seems to be exceeded... do you know an alternative link?

Yeah you can get'em here http://www2.datacraft.co.jp/~chida/icon/

jonny
Nov 15, 2007, 02:45 PM
mmmmm nope. MBP CD 2.16


but I don't play COD 2 any more. I installed COD 4 on my boot camp partition....WOOOW WEEEEEE it's bad ass!!!!!

hmm
how big of a partition did you make? :D

EDIT OMFG. I installed the update and COD2 isn't choppy anymore!!!!

joelovesapple
Nov 15, 2007, 02:46 PM
Are you plugged into a router or direct to a modem? Are you getting a valid IP address? Can you ping anything by domain name or by IP address? If you are using a router and have other devices on the network can they browse the internet? Can you ping those devices?

I have the same IP address as I have always had... I am using the XP PC now to type this, which connects no problem and Both are connected wirelessly to a router, as well as a G4 iBook (works as well).

Haven't tried pinging anything as I've never had to do it so I do not know how.

nemex
Nov 15, 2007, 02:46 PM
Repairing permissions was the first thing I checked and sadly it's still scr*wed. It hangs on "estimated time: less than 1 minute" fffoorrreeeeevvvveeeeerrrr...

I get a lot of warning messages as well, which I've not seen before, not sure if I should be worried or not.

---------
Warning: SUID file "usr/libexec/load_hdi" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/DiskManagement.framework/Versions/A/Resources/DiskManagementTool" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/DesktopServicesPriv.framework/Versions/A/Resources/Locum" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Install.framework/Versions/A/Resources/runner" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Admin.framework/Versions/A/Resources/readconfig" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Admin.framework/Versions/A/Resources/writeconfig" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "usr/libexec/authopen" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/Resources/OwnerGroupTool" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/CoreServices/RemoteManagement/ARDAgent.app/Contents/MacOS/ARDAgent" has been modified and will not be repaired.
----------------------

Well you are not alone, I'm getting the same 9 SUID warnings... :confused:

hadleydb
Nov 15, 2007, 02:47 PM
Is this update ok with DIVX installed?? i had to remove all the the divx components prior to leopard install.


aussie_geek

I just slapped that bug avatar on my monitor and broke my 30" display!

J/K :p

timothyjay2004
Nov 15, 2007, 02:48 PM
Everyone needs to stop complaining about Leopard supposedly being released too early. Every company, Microsoft, Apple, etc. all do it. I have had hardly any issues with 10.5.0 or 10.5.1. My only issue is Disk Utility and permissions repair, but that isn't a huge issue. It still does what it is supposed to do and will get better in time with future updates.
People keep comparing Leopard to Tiger. Does anyone actually remember 10.4.0 (or 10.0, 10.2.0 or 10.3.0 for that matter)?? Personally, I thought that 10.4.0 was much less stable than 10.5.0. Tiger didn't get into it's prime until around 10.4.3+. And you guys have to give Apple credit here. They are having to compile a pretty much universal OS that works on both PPC and Intel.. that's no easy task. Tiger's 10.4.0 debut was only for PPC only, and then they had to port and separate them at around something like 10.4.6(?) for Intel processors. Leopard is different, it is totally universal, it has to be able to run both, which requires more code and will take longer to update and debug, but they are getting faster and more proficient at it. Give them time. A lot of the stuff people are complaining about (driver issues etc.) are not directly put out by Apple. They are often made by other companies (ex: Nvidia, ATI etc.) with Apple input. Give it time. If people are so unhappy with Leopard, then go back to Tiger until 10.5.3+. No one made you upgrade. I for one am very happy with Leopard. I think it is the best OS they have released yet. Like someone posted before, not all of their testers will be able to test the OS under the way we each uniquely use it. That's why Leopard asks you to submit bug reports when something happens, so that the OS X team can examine what happened and what caused it. If it's quirky behavior, submit a bug report manually through apple's website. Just give Apple time, they are busy at work on improvements and aren't just sitting on their duffs saying "oh well, sucks to be you".

vassillios
Nov 15, 2007, 02:48 PM
hmm
how big of a partition did you make? :D

about 30gb

mac-convert
Nov 15, 2007, 02:48 PM
My CD MBP was very slow to complete, it took at least 5 minutes.

The mini only took a minute or so without any fuss :confused:

Confused here too. I ran this on my mini 1.83 with 2GB of memory. The verify took about 5 minutes and showed the problems seen elsewhere in this thread. So I ran the fix and it took about 5 minutes also, reported the same problems and said it couldn't fix them.

Maybe I will try later with nothing running.

Virgil-TB2
Nov 15, 2007, 02:49 PM
Downloaded & installed the update. Seems okay except that disk permissions repair is taking forever. And I'm running on a 2.2 GHz MBPWhy are so many people on this thread talking about repairing their permissions?

It's almost never necessary AFAIK and should only really come up if you have a problem. If your hard drive is slow or programs aren't working, then repairing the permissions is definitely something to try, but in the normal course of using the computer, defrag, permissions, and most everything in that category of stuff can be safely ignored for the most part.

This isn't Windows people. :)

No need to constantly "manage" the hard drive.

lshaner
Nov 15, 2007, 02:50 PM
FYI, two MBP's, that were upgraded from 10.4.10 to 10.5, and now to 10.5.1 are showing warnings in Disk Utility when repairing permissions.

Not an isolated issue. You may experience this as well, so heads up.

Perhaps the meta-data for these files didn't get properly updated so that Disk Utility would understand that these were changed by the update rather than some other means. Or perhaps these were supposed to get updated and didn't.

I'm calling Apple Care to report it and see if we can't get clarity.



Repairing permissions for “Macintosh HD”
Warning: SUID file "usr/libexec/load_hdi" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/DiskManagement.framework/Versions/A/Resources/DiskManagementTool" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/DesktopServicesPriv.framework/Versions/A/Resources/Locum" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Install.framework/Versions/A/Resources/runner" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Permissions differ on "private/var/log/secure.log", should be -rw------- , they are -rw-r----- .
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Admin.framework/Versions/A/Resources/readconfig" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Admin.framework/Versions/A/Resources/writeconfig" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "usr/libexec/authopen" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/Resources/OwnerGroupTool" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/CoreServices/RemoteManagement/ARDAgent.app/Contents/MacOS/ARDAgent" has been modified and will not be repaired.
User differs on "System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.4.2/Home/lib/jvm.cfg", should be 0, user is 95.
User differs on "System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.4.2/Libraries/classlist", should be 0, user is 95.
User differs on "System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.5.0/Home/lib/jvm.cfg", should be 0, user is 95.
User differs on "System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.5.0/Libraries/classlist", should be 0, user is 95.

Permissions repair complete

AlphaAnt
Nov 15, 2007, 02:50 PM
Active Directory still does not work, but it's gotten better. The Directory Utility app doesn't crash when I try to load it, and it let me unbind the machine from AD through the GUI. Once it was unbound, my Mobile account works normally, but it goes back to failure upon rebinding to AD. My guess is that AD user authentication is still broken.

At least I don't have to pull the network cable just to login to my account anymore.

50548
Nov 15, 2007, 02:50 PM
Updated to 10.5.1 and all seems fine so far; DU gives more feedback on repair permissions, even though it still takes a fairly long time to finish...all in all, a minor and irrelevant issue.

My only concern still remains with TM and the random freezes caused by I/O timeout or disk underrun issues (on my LaCie USB Porsche external)...I will be reactivating it now to see if all is OK.

Everything else has been pretty much flawless with Leopard...so far, so good.

massiv
Nov 15, 2007, 02:51 PM
i am so mad this time around because of the sheer lack of quality apple has put into leopard and the multitude and severity of the enormous bugs
in our office we have tons of mac pros with this same configuration and they ALL have the exact same major graphics flaws in leopard ----- not in tiger.

No offense but if you have a room full of Mac Pro's in a production setting why the hell are you putting a brand new OS on all of them? Anyone in a mission critical setting would never upgrade immediately after release. Why do you think Vista is being adopted so slowly in most corporate settings.

The design studio I work for has upgraded a couple machines with no issues what-so-ever running CS3 to the brink. It does not matter what company we are talking about there is always going to be some issues with every major OS release. 10.6 will be no different. At least Apple is working on fixes rather quickly. Chill out.

cloudnine
Nov 15, 2007, 02:52 PM
Still no wireless internet for me. I guess if I really want wireless I'll have to boot into Windows Vista where it works perfectly. :confused:

Yeah, my computer still refuses to remember my wireless network information. This is after:

1. Deleting keychains related to the wireless network
2. Deleting networks from the Network Preference Panel
3. Deleting network preferences file
4. Completely resetting airports and creating new network name/password
5. Changing airport setting from b/g to only "g"
6. Changed wireless network from hidden to non-hidden name
7. Verifying/Repairing permissions

Kill me.

Trekkie
Nov 15, 2007, 02:52 PM
I had one glitch when updating my Mac Pro 2.66GHz. 4GB of RAM, ATI 1900XL, and 4x500GB in a concatenated array.

It rebooted, apple logo, went black screen and rebooted again.

Sat a grey screen. Waited about 5 min, turned it off, turned it back on same thing.

Tried verbose mode to see what it was doing, that time it booted. Been fine now.

slicecom
Nov 15, 2007, 02:52 PM
Everyone needs to stop complaining about Leopard supposedly being released too early. Every company, Microsoft, Apple, etc. all do it. I have had hardly any issues with 10.5.0 or 10.5.1. My only issue is Disk Utility and permissions repair, but that isn't a huge issue. It still does what it is supposed to do and will get better in time with future updates.
People keep comparing Leopard to Tiger. Does anyone actually remember 10.4.0 (or 10.0, 10.2.0 or 10.3.0 for that matter)?? Personally, I thought that 10.4.0 was much less stable than 10.5.0. Tiger didn't get into it's prime until around 10.4.3+. And you guys have to give Apple credit here. They are having to compile a pretty much universal OS that works on both PPC and Intel.. that's no easy task. Tiger's 10.4.0 debut was only for PPC only, and then they had to port and separate them at around something like 10.4.6(?) for Intel processors. Leopard is different, it is totally universal, it has to be able to run both, which requires more code and will take longer to update and debug, but they are getting faster and more proficient at it. Give them time. A lot of the stuff people are complaining about (driver issues etc.) are not directly put out by Apple. They are often made by other companies (ex: Nvidia, ATI etc.) with Apple input. Give it time. If people are so unhappy with Leopard, then go back to Tiger until 10.5.3+. No one made you upgrade. I for one am very happy with Leopard. I think it is the best OS they have released yet. Like someone posted before, not all of their testers will be able to test the OS under the way we each uniquely use it. That's why Leopard asks you to submit bug reports when something happens, so that the OS X team can examine what happened and what caused it. If it's quirky behavior, submit a bug report manually through apple's website. Just give Apple time, they are busy at work on improvements and aren't just sitting on their duffs saying "oh well, sucks to be you".

x2

I'd much rather get the OS 6 months earlier and deal with the issues that come along with being an early adopter than have to wait another 6 months. For those of you who don't want to deal with these issues, NEVER buy anything until the 3rd or 4th version is out. It's quite simple!

mac-convert
Nov 15, 2007, 02:52 PM
Why are so many people on this thread talking about repairing their permissions?

It's almost never necessary AFAIK and should only really come up if you have a problem. If your hard drive is slow or programs aren't working, then repairing the permissions is definitely something to try, but in the normal course of using the computer, defrag, permissions, and most everything in that category of stuff can be safely ignored for the most part.

This isn't Windows people. :)

No need to constantly "manage" the hard drive.

It is nice to know that it will work if it's ever needed. This isn't windows, but this is a real world. Lose power, accident of some sort - things that might make this tool necessary. I don't condone using it every day, but when needed.

age234
Nov 15, 2007, 02:52 PM
Let me be the first to ask when 10.5.2 is coming out? Any ideas?

Well, the time between 10.4.1 and 10.4.2 was almost two months, so it could be awhile.

smartalic34
Nov 15, 2007, 02:53 PM
anyone know why some 10.5.1 updates are 39MB and others 109MB? thats an awfully big difference...

tennismanclay
Nov 15, 2007, 02:53 PM
Is this update ok with DIVX installed?? i had to remove all the the divx components prior to leopard install.


aussie_geek


lmao

aussie_geek i actualy tried to wipe a bug off my screen when i noticed it was your avatar. :p

I for one will try to get Time machine to work after i finish upgrading, that is the only major problem i have had since upgrading, alongside a few apps that don't work and little tweaks here and there.

and also since upgrading to leopard restarting takes forrrrrever, twice as long as tiger :(

-Clay

dolbinau
Nov 15, 2007, 02:53 PM
Damn still no transparent menu bar on 12" powerbooks.

Does your PowerBook's graphics card Support "Core Image"? Sorry if this has been touched upon earlier on. But if it doesn't, I think it explains the lack of transparency in the menu bar.

Also, in Time machine do you get a static background or the 'normal' effects?

psychofreak
Nov 15, 2007, 02:54 PM
anyone know why some 10.5.1 updates are 39MB and others 109MB? thats an awfully big difference...

Intel Macs need more updating...

jotwee
Nov 15, 2007, 02:55 PM
Yeah you can get'em here http://www2.datacraft.co.jp/~chida/icon/

Thanks! this way I really like the new stack folders :)

Mac21ND
Nov 15, 2007, 02:55 PM
x2

I'd much rather get the OS 6 months earlier and deal with the issues that come along with being an early adopter than have to wait another 6 months. For those of you who don't want to deal with these issues, NEVER buy anything until the 3rd or 4th version is out. It's quite simple!

x3 - running Leopard on two machines and no problems.

Coma2nd
Nov 15, 2007, 02:56 PM
There is a Firmware-Update (1.0) on my Al-iMac 2.4 Ghz also.

Don't know where that's coming from ...

Peace
Nov 15, 2007, 02:57 PM
There is a Firmware-Update (1.0) on my Al-iMac 2.4 Ghz also.

Don't know where that's coming from ...

It's coming from Apple,Inc. :)

mac-convert
Nov 15, 2007, 02:58 PM
Intel Macs need more updating...

I have an intel mac mini and only needed the 39MB download.

Perhaps it's the iMacs that need a larger one.

vassillios
Nov 15, 2007, 02:59 PM
Only 4 more hours til I get home and download this puppy.

C225
Nov 15, 2007, 02:59 PM
I have an intel mac mini and only needed the 39MB download.

Perhaps it's the iMacs that need a larger one.

my intel imac only needed the 39mb

scott523
Nov 15, 2007, 03:00 PM
Intel Macs need more updating...
Running a MacBook 2nd Gen, 39MB Update... I think it's the other way around. The PPC Macs require more patch work.

Apple is really fast, I hope the bugs are covered. A lot has to be fixed in iTunes+QT and their AAC codec.

joelovesapple
Nov 15, 2007, 03:00 PM
Experts,

I need your help please! My iMac isnt connecting via Wi-Fi to my router, but the PC is. If I hook up my mac to the PC with an ethernet cable, would it be able to connect to the internet via a wirelessly connected PC, which does connect?

Peabody
Nov 15, 2007, 03:01 PM
I get roughly the same disk utility messages on my MBP, 10.4 upgrade to 10.5 machines...doesn't seem to be entirely an isolated issue.

Although I will say that the system seems entirely stable and I haven't had any "issues" as of yet. My airport problems with N enabled routers is now finally behaving!

--Peabody

FYI, two MBP's, that were upgraded from 10.4.10 to 10.5, and now to 10.5.1 are showing warnings in Disk Utility when repairing permissions.

Not an isolated issue. You may experience this as well, so heads up.

Perhaps the meta-data for these files didn't get properly updated so that Disk Utility would understand that these were changed by the update rather than some other means. Or perhaps these were supposed to get updated and didn't.

I'm calling Apple Care to report it and see if we can't get clarity.



Repairing permissions for “Macintosh HD”
Warning: SUID file "usr/libexec/load_hdi" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/DiskManagement.framework/Versions/A/Resources/DiskManagementTool" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/DesktopServicesPriv.framework/Versions/A/Resources/Locum" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Install.framework/Versions/A/Resources/runner" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Permissions differ on "private/var/log/secure.log", should be -rw------- , they are -rw-r----- .
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Admin.framework/Versions/A/Resources/readconfig" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/Admin.framework/Versions/A/Resources/writeconfig" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "usr/libexec/authopen" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/Resources/OwnerGroupTool" has been modified and will not be repaired.
Warning: SUID file "System/Library/CoreServices/RemoteManagement/ARDAgent.app/Contents/MacOS/ARDAgent" has been modified and will not be repaired.
User differs on "System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.4.2/Home/lib/jvm.cfg", should be 0, user is 95.
User differs on "System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.4.2/Libraries/classlist", should be 0, user is 95.
User differs on "System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.5.0/Home/lib/jvm.cfg", should be 0, user is 95.
User differs on "System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/1.5.0/Libraries/classlist", should be 0, user is 95.

Permissions repair complete

davidwarren
Nov 15, 2007, 03:01 PM
my macbook only got a 39mb update....

gwangung
Nov 15, 2007, 03:02 PM
No, no, no.....if you have problems, by all means---report it and complain. If nobody knows there's a problem, it's not going to be fixed. (Kinda simple, eh?) And if there's a problem, Apple SHOULD fix it.

But I don't want to hear people whining about how it was OBVIOUS that Leopard was pushed out the door, how it was OBVIOUS no quality control was done, and so forth. Without any figures and numbers, you're talking through your hat. Maybe Apple did a poor job with this...maybe they didn't. Without the numbers, you can't tell---and with the increased market share for Macs, Apple could have done a BETTER job of QC and bug squashing and STILL have more complaints (all justified) of operating system bugs.

Coma2nd
Nov 15, 2007, 03:04 PM
There is a Firmware-Update (1.0) on my Al-iMac 2.4 Ghz also.

Don't know where that's coming from ...

That Firmware-Update seems to be for the graphics card:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=307008-de

Maybe it addresses the freezing-problems ... can't tell, i never had that problems ...

cu after the update

bpd115
Nov 15, 2007, 03:04 PM
I have the same IP address as I have always had... I am using the XP PC now to type this, which connects no problem and Both are connected wirelessly to a router, as well as a G4 iBook (works as well).

Haven't tried pinging anything as I've never had to do it so I do not know how.

Just to double check, I'm talking internal IP address, not your internet address (WAN IP) just to clarify.

Open up network utility in the utilities folder. You should have a 192. or a 10. something IP address on the airport interface (there is a pull down menu. On my Mac Mini here at work airport is en1) if you're using wireless.

There is also a ping tab there as well. Start by trying to ping the windows PC (on windows, start, run, type cmd +enter, than ipconfig + enter to get the XP IP address). Enter the IP of the windows machine into the ping tab. This will verify that your at least connected to the wireless router and your network. Make sure any firewall is turned off on the windows PC so it doesn't interfere with the ping test.

cyprian.pl
Nov 15, 2007, 03:05 PM
I keep reading and a post here and there says that X feature is snappier. I can't get the "Inconceivable!" "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." dialog from my head. :)

2 cleverly concise; neat : snappy catchphrases.
• neat and elegant : a snappy dresser.

bpd115
Nov 15, 2007, 03:07 PM
Experts,

I need your help please! My iMac isnt connecting via Wi-Fi to my router, but the PC is. If I hook up my mac to the PC with an ethernet cable, would it be able to connect to the internet via a wirelessly connected PC, which does connect?

Not unless your PC has internet connection sharing turned on, which is a bit of a nightmare in windows.

Better Idea is to wire right to the router to your iMac if possible. Double check your wireless settings on the router, perhaps turn off wep or wpa to troubleshoot if you have a password protected wireless network.

mrfrosty
Nov 15, 2007, 03:09 PM
After about 10 attempts to install the update and eventually doing a direct download of the full 100+Mb update from apples website i have got the update installed on my stock mini 2.0ghz.

It does seem less choppy (and not just because of the reboot).

odinsride
Nov 15, 2007, 03:12 PM
Also, Screen Capture memory leak? What is screen capture? Are you referring to "Grab" which nobody uses, or are you referring to cmd-shift-3?


I'm referring to cmd-shift-3 and -4. Grab works fine, but I don't want to use that. There's a couple threads on Apple forums about this.