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MacRumors
Nov 17, 2007, 12:12 AM
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Per TUAW (http://www.tuaw.com/2007/11/16/drop-your-iphone-data-plan-keep-voice/), TalkiPhone (http://www.talkiphone.com/dont-need-data-remove-it-125/) reveals that AT&T is now allowing users to remove their EDGE Data plan at a savings of $20 per month.


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This would still allow you to browse the web, check email, and whatever else through Wifi networks, but would prevent any EDGE transfers. For a select few, this may be a useful option to save some money on their monthly bill.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2007/11/17/unsubscribe-to-iphone-data-edge-to-save-20-month/)



motorazr
Nov 17, 2007, 12:14 AM
does that also take the 200txt off? not that I would remove the data...

dborja
Nov 17, 2007, 12:19 AM
does that also take the 200txt off? not that I would remove the data...

Probably would. It's part of the package. I'm also keeping mine. $20 for unlimited data, even though it's Edge, is a very good deal. :)

darwen
Nov 17, 2007, 12:20 AM
does that also take the 200txt off? not that I would remove the data...

It says iPhone Data + 200

unless you have any better ideas on what the 200 stands for?

janitorC7
Nov 17, 2007, 12:20 AM
if anybody does this, please sell your iphone.

this would also kill visual voicemail I believe.

AHDuke99
Nov 17, 2007, 12:20 AM
it would be silly to get the iphone if you cant afford the $20 a month for data. the phone isnt the same with just wifi.

overanalyzer
Nov 17, 2007, 12:21 AM
No text messages, no visual voicemail and no EDGE. Say what you will about the slowness of EDGE, but I still use it plenty. And I just upgraded my text messages to 1500/month for an extra $10 because I already use my included 200.

I'll keep my data plan, thank you very much.

Edit - and geez, no maps while driving, no e-mail access, no YouTube to amuse me while waiting around, no weather updates. The more I think about this, the more I think that people who'd cancel their data plan either live in a WiFi utopia or would be better off with something other than an iPhone.

ortuno2k
Nov 17, 2007, 12:32 AM
Anyone who does this is intentionally crippling their iPhone and all its cool features!
Why buy a ferrari to just drive it from home to work & back? Same applies I guess...

Small White Car
Nov 17, 2007, 12:45 AM
So you people all think iPod Touch owners are stupid morons?

After all, if taking EDGE, voicemail, and texting out of the iPhone is dumb, those poor Touch owners must be equally stupid!

:rolleyes:

Until today I was thinking about buying an iPod Touch and a simple cell phone. If this news is true it might change my plans and I might get an iPhone after all. So sorry you can't all understand why this might be good for me.

overanalyzer
Nov 17, 2007, 12:48 AM
So you people all think iPod Touch owners are stupid morons?

After all, if taking EDGE, voicemail, and texting out of the iPhone is dumb, those poor Touch owners must be equally stupid!

:rolleyes:

Until today I was thinking about buying an iPod Touch and a simple cell phone. If this news is true it might change my plans and I might get an iPhone after all. So sorry you can't all understand why this might be good for me.

No, but the iPod Touch is a different device with a similar but not identical purpose. The iPhone is about mashing a bunch of features into one device, and the data plan is needed to make all those pieces come together as intended. The Touch is more focused on being an iPod first, with added functionality second. Other than making phone calls, you lose a lot of the functionality that the iPhone has over the Touch if you use it without a data plan.

So as I was saying before, if that's what people want, they should probably just get something other than an iPhone...like, for instance, an iPod Touch and a basic mobile phone, just like you suggested.

samh004
Nov 17, 2007, 12:49 AM
Step in the right or wrong direction ? I'd rather see a prepaid plan myself, with good deal on EDGE usage. I've used my phone this month once, so I don't do much on it. An iPhone could make me use it more, but I still think I'd have no one to text/phone... so the deal would be on the EDGE not the other stuff :p

So as I was saying before, if that's what people want, they should probably just get something other than an iPhone...like, for instance, an iPod Touch and a basic mobile phone, just like you suggested.

The thing that's stopping me getting an iPod touch is the Mail feature, if that were included I'd jump right in, I'd find that very useful and I have access to a lot of wifi hotspots in HK already so it's not an issue not having EDGE.

Apple has made it clear however that I'd need to use an iPhone for that purpose, and although it hasn't been released here yet, doesn't seem to want to budge much on the idea that I might not actually use the phone functions as much, so shouldn't have to pay for all this extra BS. :p

So what I'm saying is I personally think this should be going in the other direction. Leaving EDGE for a certain fee and using pay-as-you-go for phone calls and text, or some other combinations.

bigbossbmb
Nov 17, 2007, 12:50 AM
I'm thinking of actually activating my iPhone to use as a work cell phone JUST to use the data plan...

Anyone that does this A) is stupid and B) doesn't deserve an iPhone.

Small White Car
Nov 17, 2007, 12:51 AM
So as I was saying before, if that's what people want, they should probably just get something other than an iPhone...like, for instance, an iPod Touch and a basic mobile phone, just like you suggested.

Wouldn't going with this new plan give me an iPod Touch + phone + external speaker?

Am I wrong about that? That's pretty much what I want. Why is carrying a 2nd device BETTER for me?

I mean, the Touch + 2nd phone is still an option for me. I can't see how that's better, though. What does it gain me?

Anyone that does this A) is stupid and B) doesn't deserve an iPhone.

So read my first post and help me understand. You all seem to think that, instead of this, I should get an iPod touch and a small cell phone.

WHY is that better? Everyone is saying "it just is" but I'm not getting much in the way of reasons so far.

overanalyzer
Nov 17, 2007, 12:54 AM
Step in the right or wrong direction ? I'd rather see a prepaid plan myself, with good deal on EDGE usage. I've used my phone this month once, so I don't do much on it. An iPhone could make me use it more, but I still think I'd have no one to text/phone... so the deal would be on the EDGE not the other stuff :p

I have to say, having an iPhone has radically changed my mobile usage. I used to have the crappiest free Nokia and a prepaid T-Mobile account that I spent $100 on per YEAR for two years - that's roughly 80 minutes per month. In a matter of months of having an iPhone, I now use 400-500 minutes a month and over 200 text messages. I'm also now totally used to having constant e-mail, web, maps etc. access and can't imagine going back to my old simple prepaid.

So read my first post and help me understand. You all seem to think that, instead of this, I should get an iPod touch and a small cell phone.

WHY is that better? Everyone is saying "it just is" but I'm not getting much in the way of reasons so far.

Oh no, it's definitely not. Barring getting a 16GB Touch, I totally get the argument for still wanting your phone and iPod to be the same device, plus you get the camera built in too. After carrying multiple devices for years, I definitely get the convergence argument.

It's just that for me, based on my actual usage of the iPhone for 4.5 months, losing my data plan would severely cripple many of the features that make an iPhone worthwhile to me.

samh004
Nov 17, 2007, 12:59 AM
I have to say, having an iPhone has radically changed my mobile usage. I used to have the crappiest free Nokia and a prepaid T-Mobile account that I spent $100 on per YEAR for two years - that's roughly 80 minutes per month. In a matter of months of having an iPhone, I now use 400-500 minutes a month and over 200 text messages. I'm also now totally used to having constant e-mail, web, maps etc. access and can't imagine going back to my old simple prepaid.

So your saying your now addicted to spending money, just like a cigarette company giving you a pack for instance. They're milking you now and you can't stop :p

I understand what your saying, but I really don't see why I'd talk to the people I know now more often just because I had a plan that allowed me to. They're the same people after all.

However I do understand what your saying with the EDGE usage, which is the point I was trying to make, by introducing a plan with EDGE usage (unlimited or to a certain extent) but not including calls or texts, as I really wouldn't see myself changing those habits, and if I did I'd be wasting a lot of money :p

Of course, though, they'd like that.

Halsey12
Nov 17, 2007, 01:00 AM
AT&T's website said I could do the same thing with my Palm Treo, but it wouldn't actually allow you to remove the plan. Has any one tried it, or is the option simply listed for removal like it was on the Treo data plan?

Small White Car
Nov 17, 2007, 01:01 AM
It's just that for me, based on my actual usage of the iPhone for 4.5 months, losing my data plan would severely cripple many of the features that make an iPhone worthwhile to me.

Oh, yeah. I totally get that downgrading TO this from someone who's used to cellular internet is probably a bad idea. But for me, it was going to be an iPod Touch until I learned of this. I still consider it a step up.

I mean, my current cell phone looks kind of like this:

http://www.mobilecowboys.nl/images/upload/1161666949Nokia-1112.jpg

Pretty much ANYTHING I do will be a step up.

DMann
Nov 17, 2007, 01:02 AM
it would be silly to get the iphone if you cant afford the $20 a month for data. the phone isnt the same with just wifi.

Until 200 mile Wi-Fi becomes standard, no way I'm giving up EDGE. Wi-Fi is great when and where available, but EDGE does the job when it isn't.....

overanalyzer
Nov 17, 2007, 01:09 AM
Oh, yeah. I totally get that downgrading TO this from someone who's used to cellular internet is probably a bad idea. But for me, it was going to be an iPod Touch until I learned of this. I still consider it a step up.

I mean, my current cell phone looks kind of like this:

http://www.mobilecowboys.nl/images/upload/1161666949Nokia-1112.jpg

Pretty much ANYTHING I do will be a step up.

Looks just like my old phone! Mine had a color screen, though the graphics weren't much better. So I'll say one thing at least - if you do pursue this plan, don't wait too long to drop the data plan. Otherwise you'll end up addicted like me and won't want to downgrade.

At a certain point, $20/month really isn't that much for all the extra functionality. Unless you're on a family plan (I am, and it's a great deal), you're going to pay something like $1,400-$1,500 for the iPhone and two years of AT&T without the data plan. $480 over two years is sizable, but certainly not the bulk of your cost.

DMann
Nov 17, 2007, 01:48 AM
Oh, yeah. I totally get that downgrading TO this from someone who's used to cellular internet is probably a bad idea. But for me, it was going to be an iPod Touch until I learned of this. I still consider it a step up.

I mean, my current cell phone looks kind of like this:

http://www.mobilecowboys.nl/images/u...Nokia-1112.jpg

Pretty much ANYTHING I do will be a step up..

Had that same phone before a RAZR with T-Mobile. I bailed out on the contract on June 29th - it has been more than worth the breech charge. Definitely a step up without DATA, but Visual Voicemail by itself is enough to justify switching. Besides, roll-over minutes rock.

ravenvii
Nov 17, 2007, 01:57 AM
Well, that's great... but can you remove the voice plan to save, oh, $40 a month?

overanalyzer
Nov 17, 2007, 02:03 AM
Well, that's great... but can you remove the voice plan to save, oh, $40 a month?

Prepaid perhaps? It'd be sweet if there was a VoIP option, though. But, again, until there's ubiquitous WiFi, I don't think that'd be very practical, at least for me.

DMann
Nov 17, 2007, 02:21 AM
Well, that's great... but can you remove the voice plan to save, oh, $40 a month?

Yes, I propose that we remove $60/month. For the purchase of the iPhone, in exchange for dramatic exposure to the public, customers shall receive 2 years of free service with each iPhone purchase.

addendum
customers receiving free service agree not to call Customer Service, ever, since such calls would weigh heavily on the deficit such a move would cause AT&T.

chr1s60
Nov 17, 2007, 03:25 AM
Or instead of getting an iPhone, sign up for the free phone with whatever company you wish and get an iPod touch.

I am confused over why someone would want to take away EDGE. The iPhone is in fact a phone and is meant to be used all over, not just in a WiFi hot spot. Losing EDGE takes at least 1/3 of the functions away depending on your location. It seems like it would make more sense to allow someone to remove the 200 text messages to save a few dollars a month, could just be me though.

deckwalker
Nov 17, 2007, 06:46 AM
Yeah, yeah, I hear you naysayers.

However, in my very specific situation it makes sense. I live somewhere where there is NEVER going to be an official iPhone carrier: Afghanistan. BUT, I'll be home in the US for Christmas, and then only have three months left on my contract here. I'll then be moving back to the US for a while.

I've been debating buying one at Christmas, using for the month I'm home, coming back here, jailbreaking it and using it with a local SIM. That however, would cost me $180 just to get it three months early (because of the AT&T monthly bill).

If I can turn off the edge and only pay $40 a month while I'm not using AT&T, then that means I'm only burning $120.
When I get back to the US, I'll put the AT&T SIM back in and turn EDGE back on. And voila - money saved and I get to show off the iPhone here!:D

Grimace
Nov 17, 2007, 08:07 AM
I live and work on a university campus with 100% wifi coverage. Makes sense to me, but I imagine not too many others.

savanahrose
Nov 17, 2007, 08:17 AM
I just went to an apple store on Thursday and finally seen the iphone. After seeing what it does I don't see why anyone would want to do without the data plan. My contract for my cell does not end until April. :(
My birthday is in March, ;):D, I told my daughter to get with her brother and father because that is what I WANT FOR MY BIRTHDAY!
Geez, I haven't waited for a birthday in so long it can't get here fast enough!

It seems to have blown everything else I have ever used (besides my imac) out of the water.

veeco3110
Nov 17, 2007, 08:32 AM
this is actually a cool thing for people who live in a city with city wide wifi. i think it may be geared towards them. in phillidelphia they have city wide wifi. and if u dont pick up on the wifi every store has open wifi to use.

nbs2
Nov 17, 2007, 08:59 AM
More curious is how they will handle partial months. Will I simply pay a prorated portion? If so, then turning this off while traveling would save some cash, and potential headaches. Just go to ATT, turn off EDGE, get to wherever, and never worry about roaming charges for using data.

aross99
Nov 17, 2007, 09:06 AM
I think people are missing the point here. For some situations the $20/month is a big deal. Now that the iPhone has dropped in cost, it is well within the range that young people get get one for a gift to replace their existing cell phone or iPod.

In return, they get the convergence of the iPod and a phone. In fact, the experience is significantly better than having two devices, and they get e-mail and other features left off the iPod Touch.

For the young people of today who relay more on unlimited SMS than anything else, this COULD BE is a good solution. Arguing that this is a bad idea for everyone, is like arguing that you can replace SMS/MMS with e-mail - different strokes for different folks.

No question that adding edge would be a good step up, but for now, it gets them an iPhone without the additional monthly cost...

If I was thinking about getting my teenagers an iPod Touch, I would definitely consider an iPhone w/o data for only $100 more, since it would eliminate the need for them to keep track of two devices...

savanahrose
Nov 17, 2007, 10:03 AM
Yes but could you use the data without being signed up for it? I know that you could or used to be able to get on the internet by using a per KB price. If that is the case here could they do that and send the bill skyrocketing?

OneMike
Nov 17, 2007, 10:11 AM
I had my iphone data plan removed a couple months ago

1) It doesn't kill visual voicemail.

2) It's not always just about saving $20. In my case it's about not waisting $20.

I mainly got an iphone to use these features

- Phone + ipod in one to save the amount of items I have to carry
- Txt
- Contacts, Email, Etc.. sync with mac without missingsync or some other program
- built in wifi I can use at home / work / airport / etc.. If I don't feel like using my macbook

If I'm driving I have a navi system. If I'm going away I'd bring my macbook and datacard which I had before iphone. If I'm out I'm rarely just sitting around, etc.. Everybody has different needs. I use terminal 99% of the time I'm on my macs. Doesn't make it a worthless purchase if somebody else buys a mac and never uses it.

lshaner
Nov 17, 2007, 10:27 AM
NO! Just don't do it!!!

The article is misrepresenting the ability to drop the unlimited data plan... Yes, you can drop the unlimited data from your plan, but that doesn't stop the iPhone from trying to use EDGE.

What would happen is your iPhone would continue to use EDGE any time you're using data features and you stray too far from your WiFi. Even if you are very careful, this can happen if you were reading e-mail at home and walked out the door without leaving the mail app. Lots of other ways this can happen, too.

The only way that you can top your iPhone from using EDGE is if you are ROAMING and you check the related option in network preferences. That feature was added in firmware 1.1.1. There is no general feature to disable EDGE at all times -- only when roaming.

Certainly dropping the unlimited data minutes from your plan does NOT dissallow edge -- rather it simply means you will be charged exorbitant per-MB fees for your EDGE usage.

Just don't do it!!!

RichP
Nov 17, 2007, 10:35 AM
More curious is how they will handle partial months. Will I simply pay a prorated portion? If so, then turning this off while traveling would save some cash, and potential headaches. Just go to ATT, turn off EDGE, get to wherever, and never worry about roaming charges for using data.

You can turn off EDGE right in the phone.

I can understand the usefulness of this for a few people, but overall I think its kind of ridiculous. Its rare to find free, unlocked wifi (at least in NY). And when I am in areas where I have access to wifi, I probably have access to a computer. The iphone sings because I have access to the web, etc when I dont have access to anything else. The amount of time and effort having web, google maps, etc on my phone is easily worth $20 a month.

overanalyzer
Nov 17, 2007, 11:12 AM
For the young people of today who relay more on unlimited SMS than anything else, this COULD BE is a good solution. Arguing that this is a bad idea for everyone, is like arguing that you can replace SMS/MMS with e-mail - different strokes for different folks.

I had my iphone data plan removed a couple months ago

1) It doesn't kill visual voicemail.

2) It's not always just about saving $20. In my case it's about not waisting $20.

I mainly got an iphone to use these features

- Phone + ipod in one to save the amount of items I have to carry
- Txt
- Contacts, Email, Etc.. sync with mac without missingsync or some other program
- built in wifi I can use at home / work / airport / etc.. If I don't feel like using my macbook

But don't you also lose the 200 included text messages if you cancel the data plan? :confused:

lshaner
Nov 17, 2007, 11:35 AM
You can turn off EDGE right in the phone.

Sorry, NO. That only applies if you are ROAMING... E.g. you go out of the country.

drummingcraig
Nov 17, 2007, 12:17 PM
I think people are missing the point here. For some situations the $20/month is a big deal. Now that the iPhone has dropped in cost, it is well within the range that young people get get one for a gift to replace their existing cell phone or iPod.

In return, they get the convergence of the iPod and a phone. In fact, the experience is significantly better than having two devices, and they get e-mail and other features left off the iPod Touch.

IMO, if faced with the choice of A) an iPhone with no data/EDGE -or- B) a "regular" cell phone AND a separate iPod, I will choose B. Reason being is that without EDGE you lose visual VM. Yes, you can still call and get your messages the "old-fashioned way", but AFAIK there is no indicator of new messages waiting which leaves you calling to check periodically.

Yes, having the WIFI apps would be cool, but anyone who has an iPhone already has a computer with internet access. If they're already home I would think they would use their computer for that stuff. If they're out and about, finding a free WIFI network is about 50/50 (excluding colleges and schools). Just seems to me that it wouldn't get much use. Maybe in a workplace environment with WIFI...but again, if you're a professional who needs the phone for accessing email why not spend the $20 so you *always* have access. :confused:

For the young people of today who relay more on unlimited SMS than anything else, this COULD BE is a good solution. Arguing that this is a bad idea for everyone, is like arguing that you can replace SMS/MMS with e-mail - different strokes for different folks.

Not a good solution at all as they would lose the 200 SMS. AT&T charges 10 cents per incoming or outgoing SMS...that can add up real fast if you have a text heavy, teen user.

[No question that adding edge would be a good step up, but for now, it gets them an iPhone without the additional monthly cost...

If I was thinking about getting my teenagers an iPod Touch, I would definitely consider an iPhone w/o data for only $100 more, since it would eliminate the need for them to keep track of two devices...

Again, better make sure they don't send texts, and that they tell all of their friends not to text them.

If I was 16 and buying my own cell phone...even if I could afford a $400 device...I would be pretty bummed if I got it and could only sort of use it. Anyone who would want to use SMS would be better off with a standard phone which did not require a data plan.

On a personal note, coming from a Treo where I was paying $39/month for JUST unlimited data and another $10 for unlimited texts...this was a no brainer. I am now paying $30 a month for the unlimited data and 1500 SMS, and I dropped my voice plan down a notch because I have accrued so many RO minutes.

Craig

matticus008
Nov 17, 2007, 12:34 PM
But don't you also lose the 200 included text messages if you cancel the data plan? :confused:
Yeah, but you can add a text message package to the plan instead of the data.

If you disable EDGE (over and above removing the plan), you do lose visual voicemail, though, as it absolutely relies on GPRS data.

For people who mostly travel internationally (or don't travel at all, I suppose) and live in a place with good Wi-Fi coverage, this is a great option to cut out $240 of rarely-used service every year, especially if your car has GPS built-in anyway and you have paid Wi-Fi hotspot access through your existing plan.

overanalyzer
Nov 17, 2007, 12:40 PM
Yeah, but you can add a text message package to the plan instead of the data.

If you disable EDGE (over and above removing the plan), you do lose visual voicemail, though, as it absolutely relies on GPRS data.

For people who mostly travel internationally (or don't travel at all, I suppose) and live in a place with good Wi-Fi coverage, this is a great option to cut out $240 of rarely-used service every year, especially if your car has GPS built-in anyway and you have paid Wi-Fi hotspot access through your existing plan.

Of course getting 200 text messages via an AT&T text message plan is $10/month, so that alone cuts the savings in half.

http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/services/services-list.jsp?catId=cat1470003&LOSGId=&catName=Messaging+and+MEdia(TM)+Bundles&source=IX810110300000L5

JGowan
Nov 17, 2007, 12:48 PM
So you people all think iPod Touch owners are stupid morons?

After all, if taking EDGE, voicemail, and texting out of the iPhone is dumb, those poor Touch owners must be equally stupid!

:rolleyes:

Until today I was thinking about buying an iPod Touch and a simple cell phone. If this news is true it might change my plans and I might get an iPhone after all. So sorry you can't all understand why this might be good for me.First, many of those buying the Touch aren't in a market for a cellphone due to a variety of reasons. (1) They are happy with their current cell phone service provider' (2) Hate AT&T; (3) In the Middle of a contract with current provider and don't want to incur a hefty break-up fee; (4) Fill in the Blank.

But, in your case (and many like you), you're considering both an iPod Touch/Another phone or an iPhone...

Advantages of getting an 8GB $399 iPhone VS. 8GB $299 iPod Touch:

iPhone
01) Phone: Duh. Makes calls (up to a 4-person conference call); Visual Voicemail; Other cool stuff I'm not aware of…
02) SMS Text Messaging: Big need for the tween/teen/twenties crowd.
03) Stock Widget: Big need for the thirties and over crowd.
04) Weather Widget: Big need for those who aren't in the shut-ins crowd.
05) Built-in Camera: 2MP is better than nothing + rumor has it that with a software update, it could become a videocamera that could upload directly to YouTube very soon. Very compelling stuff.
06) Email: This built-in App is better than just using Safari for webmail.
07) Google Maps: This built-in App is better than just using Safari for Google Maps.
08) Notes: taking notes on the run is a great advantage.
09) Higher Quality Screen: I believe this is still an issue. I think Apple fixed the problem with a software update, but I think it's still widely considered that the iPhone screen displays better video.
10) Edge Internet: The ability to have net access in other areas besides WiFi spots is big.
11) 1 Device, not 2: Why would you want to carry two devices when 1 device would do the jobs better?
12) Sexier: Without a doubt, the iPhone is simply gorgeous and is superior to the Touch.

iPod Touch
01) $100 Cheaper: Yes, but if you're buying a "simple cell phone", that $100 is spent anyway.

Whatever plan you could get on another network is going to be at least the same price or higher than one from AT&T so this is a moot point. You're going to incur virtually the same costs. Again: Moot.

Bottom line, YES (in your scenario), you'd be a moron to get a Touch and a simple cell phone.

ravenvii
Nov 17, 2007, 01:03 PM
Yes, I propose that we remove $60/month. For the purchase of the iPhone, in exchange for dramatic exposure to the public, customers shall receive 2 years of free service with each iPhone purchase.

addendum
customers receiving free service agree not to call Customer Service, ever, since such calls would weigh heavily on the deficit such a move would cause AT&T.

You are not aware.

I meant to remove the voice portion, and keep the data portion.

Like I can with T-Mobile and the Blackberry/Sidekick.

I am deaf, so the voice portion is useless.

Please refrain from flaunting your failure at life next time.

wesk702
Nov 17, 2007, 01:08 PM
sorry if this is a dumb question but I just really don't know.

If many people do cancel they're edge, will that lead to a better edge connectivity and bandwidth for the edge keepers?

JGowan
Nov 17, 2007, 01:26 PM
I think people are missing the point here. For some situations the $20/month is a big deal. Now that the iPhone has dropped in cost, it is well within the range that young people get get one for a gift to replace their existing cell phone or iPod.In my opinion, if $20 is going to "make you or break you", you have no business with an iPhone to begin with. You need a tracfone or some other prepaid cell or get a plan with a service provider who has a giveaway phone. That or "go Superman" and use a Telephone booth.

The problem with this country is that too many people are living beyond their means. A person on a modest budget has no shame in having to go for something simple.

If you're worried about the rising cost of a tank of gas (and that "the $20/month is a big deal"), ask yourself: "Do I really need Time Magazine's Invention of the 2007"?

danny_w
Nov 17, 2007, 02:04 PM
This may be a little OT, but if I had it to do over again I would probably get a Touch and a regular cell phone. The promise of an iPod and a cell phone in one device is not very good in practice; I bought a shuffle and now use my iPhone w/o the iPod features for two reason: 1) the gsm noise makes use in a car impractical and 2) the battery life is horrible if you use the iPod features (I can get max 5-6 hours vs. the stated 24 hours). So I am now back to 2 devices anyway.

EDIT: Correction: I would probably get a Nano or 5.5G/Classic + regular cell phone. I haven't tried the Touch, but I suspect that it suffers from the same problems that cause me not to use the iPod features of my iPhone (poor battery life, lack of click wheel/buttons, etc). Regardless of what SJ says, IMHO the iPhone is NOT the best iPod ever.

chicagostars
Nov 17, 2007, 02:13 PM
In my opinion, if $20 is going to "make you or break you", you have no business with an iPhone to begin with. You need a tracfone or some other prepaid cell or get a plan with a service provider who has a giveaway phone. That or "go Superman" and use a Telephone booth.

The problem with this country is that too many people are living beyond their means. A person on a modest budget has no shame in having to go for something simple.

If you're worried about paying the light bill (and "the $20/month is a big deal"), do you really thing you need Time Magazine's Invention of the 2007.

Well put. So many of us are living beyond our means and don't help our own situations. The iPhone represents a great convergence of technologies, but is far from a necessity, no matter what some people argue. I haven't made the purchase yet, but plan to within the next month or two because the convenience of the iPhone would be great for me and the device won't break my budget at this stage of life. Maybe that's been helped by keeping the same mobile handset for over three years!. :)

Saving $20 a month is great if you're not going to use EDGE or the 200 messages, but if this $20 is what makes the device economically viable for a potential owner, I ask them to carefully consider their purchase. Just my $.02 as it's your money and your decision.

viqas
Nov 17, 2007, 03:46 PM
You are not aware.

I meant to remove the voice portion, and keep the data portion.

Like I can with T-Mobile and the Blackberry/Sidekick.

I am deaf, so the voice portion is useless.

Please refrain from flaunting your failure at life next time.

I would like this, not because im deaf, mainly because i already have a mobile phone (verizon) to talk on. AT&T is pretty **** where i live, 2 of my room mates have to talk outside on their AT&T phones, and one of them already got mugged.

but being able to browse the web while im on the train would be nice, i can't really do that with wifi.

Ronnoco
Nov 17, 2007, 03:50 PM
Wouldn't going with this new plan give me an iPod Touch + phone + external speaker?

Am I wrong about that? That's pretty much what I want. Why is carrying a 2nd device BETTER for me?

I mean, the Touch + 2nd phone is still an option for me. I can't see how that's better, though. What does it gain me?

I do use the EDGE network quite a bit as it is strong in my area and not really all that slow most times...but as an owner of a Touch and an iPhone I will agree with you that the iPhone even without the data plan is superior to the Touch with it's better LCD (there is really no comparison between my iPhone lcd and my Touches lcd and I have a good Touch screen without any of the negative blacks or any other defect...my iPhone LCD is CLEARLY superior)...
There are also other benefits over the Touch that you mentioned with the iPhone apps without having to "hack" such as Mail, Notes and Google maps which work very well with WiFi, the Speakers, Camera, the Mic (for recording), SMS and then there is the volume rocker which is VERY useful, mute switch, the included dock and charger and the remote iPod controller switch on the included headphones which I truly love having as not to have to remove the unit form my pocket or belt clip while working out or walking to advance, pause or restart the iPod...
So I can see where someone might do this without being called names and mocked...
Anyway, it's progress that AT&T would allow this and I for one like seeing this type of plan flexibility...

First, many of those buying the Touch aren't in a market for a cellphone due to a variety of reasons. (1) They are happy with their current cell phone service provider' (2) Hate AT&T; (3) In the Middle of a contract with current provider and don't want to incur a hefty break-up fee; (4) Fill in the Blank.

But, in your case (and many like you), you're considering both an iPod Touch/Another phone or an iPhone...

Advantages of getting an 8GB $399 iPhone VS. 8GB $299 iPod Touch:

iPhone
1) Phone: Duh. Makes calls (up to a 4-person conference call); Visual Voicemail; Other cool stuff I'm not aware of…
2) SMS Text Messaging: Big need for the tween/teen/twenties crowd.
3) Stock Widget: Big need for the thirties and over crowd.
4) Weather Widget: Big need for those who aren't in the shut-ins crowd.
5) Built-in Camera: 2MP is better than nothing + rumor has it that with a software update, it could become a videocamera that could upload directly to YouTube very soon. Very compelling stuff.
6) Email: This built-in App is better than just using Safari for webmail.
7) Google Maps: This built-in App is better than just using Safari for Google Maps.
8) Notes: taking notes on the run is a great advantage.
9) Higher Quality Screen: I believe this is still an issue. I think Apple fixed the problem with a software update, but I think it's still widely considered that the iPhone screen displays better video.
10) Edge Internet: The ability to have net access in other areas besides WiFi spots is big.
11) 1 Device, not 2: Why would you want to carry two devices when 1 device would do the jobs better?
12) Sexier: Without a doubt, the iPhone is simply gorgeous and is superior to the Touch.

iPod Touch
1) $100 Cheaper: Yes, but if you're buying a "simple cell phone", that $100 is spent anyway.

Whatever plan you could get on another network is going to be at least the same price or higher than one from AT&T so this is a moot point. You're going to incur virtually the same costs. Again: Moot.

Bottom line, YES (in your scenario), you'd be a moron to get a Touch and a simple cell phone.
Opps...didn't see your post before making a similar point...pardon the repetition... ;)

synth3tik
Nov 17, 2007, 04:09 PM
I am glad this was not available when I got my iPhone. I would have opted to save the $20 bucks. I always thought I would be within Wi-fi range most of the time, but find myself now using EDGE quite a bit. Sitting around the coffee shop getting some work done, playing with the internets, internets goes down like it does at the shop quite often. Everyone is crying, except the guy with the iPhone.

Really it looks sad. Me sitting there with my MBP on the table, playing on my iPhone.

LinuxGigolo
Nov 17, 2007, 04:42 PM
NO! Just don't do it!!!

The article is misrepresenting the ability to drop the unlimited data plan... Yes, you can drop the unlimited data from your plan, but that doesn't stop the iPhone from trying to use EDGE.

What would happen is your iPhone would continue to use EDGE any time you're using data features and you stray too far from your WiFi. Even if you are very careful, this can happen if you were reading e-mail at home and walked out the door without leaving the mail app. Lots of other ways this can happen, too.

The only way that you can top your iPhone from using EDGE is if you are ROAMING and you check the related option in network preferences. That feature was added in firmware 1.1.1. There is no general feature to disable EDGE at all times -- only when roaming.

Certainly dropping the unlimited data minutes from your plan does NOT dissallow edge -- rather it simply means you will be charged exorbitant per-MB fees for your EDGE usage.

Just don't do it!!!

I don't have an iPhone.. i have a Cingular/ATT 8525 .. another phone designed to suck up the EDGE/3G bandwidth. To clarify your comment, removing the unlimited data plan DOES NOT prevent you from connecting to EDGE. Just as you said, it would cause all your data to be at a per KB charge.

What you *can* do, however, is tell AT&T to block all EDGE traffic from your phone. They provision it with a 'feature' that causes the network to block your EDGE/GPRS data connection. This is the only true way to prevent any cell network data usage. I did it on my 8525 for a few months because I got sick of paying $35/month without 3G. You have to call customer service to get it added.

matticus008
Nov 17, 2007, 05:53 PM
Of course getting 200 text messages via an AT&T text message plan is $10/month, so that alone cuts the savings in half.

Well first of all, that's not a 200 message plan, that's an unlimited plan with 200 off-network messages, and second of all, it's not the only set of plans that are available, especially for people with older account structures and/or family plans.

Adding 1500 messages to my account is an additional $5/month.

It's not about saving money; it's about not throwing away money on a service you don't use. It doesn't matter if you're talking about $5 a month less or $50.

ChemiosMurphy
Nov 17, 2007, 08:37 PM
This could be cool for college students who live on a wifi campus. I go to Drexel and we have WIFI everywhere, so its a waste of 20 dollars. I'm a commuter and love having EDGE on T-Mobile to watch youtube on the train.

severe
Nov 17, 2007, 09:51 PM
I must admit, and I've never said one negative thing about my iPhone on these boards, Edge seems worse the more I use it. It really seems like the biggest drawback of this phone. This opinion comes five months after being thrilled with just about all the iPhone's other features.

Sometimes, as I'm waiting for a page to load, I have to ask myself what they were thinking. I'll be somewhere using the phones features (controlled by my fingers, for crying out loud!) and I'll have to wait nearly a minute for a page to load. It even looks ridiculous.

If it weren't for losing Visual Voicemail, or whatever else, the option to save $20 would be quite tempting.

davethecrave
Nov 18, 2007, 03:28 AM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/3B48b Safari/419.3)

does all this matter? If you use it, great! If not, then take it off. I don't see why so many people care.

danny_w
Nov 18, 2007, 09:35 AM
I must admit, and I've never said one negative thing about my iPhone on these boards, Edge seems worse the more I use it. It really seems like the biggest drawback of this phone. This opinion comes five months after being thrilled with just about all the iPhone's other features.

Sometimes, as I'm waiting for a page to load, I have to ask myself what they were thinking. I'll be somewhere using the phones features (controlled by my fingers, for crying out loud!) and I'll have to wait nearly a minute for a page to load. It even looks ridiculous.

If it weren't for losing Visual Voicemail, or whatever else, the option to save $20 would be quite tempting.
I think EDGE is fine for the few times I don't have wifi, but to me the weakest part of the iPhone is the iPod function. It just takes too many key presses (while having to look at the thing) to do what could be done with one press of the click wheel. Plus, it really sucks the battery dry in just 5 hours (Apple claims 24 hours for audio), but w/o iPod functions I can get 3-4 days from the iPhone. There is no way that it will last a whole day at work. I still have my iPhone, but have gone back to an iPod for music (back to 2 devices again).

skillz1318
Nov 18, 2007, 09:36 AM
visual voicemail + google maps + mail is worth it alone for me....EDGE is perfectly fine for those apps

i also use it for weather updates as well as casual browsing while I am out and about....

edge is not as fast as 3g obviously but for what I use it for it is perfect. I could not imagine not having Edge...it's like having a Treo or BlackBerry without data/internet....just a phone and a mp3 player....doesn't make much sense to me....

Geffen
Nov 18, 2007, 05:31 PM
Wouldnt turning off Edge mean when you turn on your iphone its going to search for data and you will still be charged a different higher fee for not being in an Edge plan? i'm not planning on turning off my Edge since i use text messages and use Edge every once in a while when im not near a wifi area. Can anyone confirm there isn't any charges for data while being off of Edge?

thingamajigidid
Nov 18, 2007, 09:18 PM
i luv the fact you can choose...
i was actually thinking of saving some money using another cell and loosing the 20 dollar for internet and text...
now i don't have to keep asking my friends who has an old atnt cell with a chip..

i say this choice is great for college students, or anyone with a tight budget, thats trying to save a little extra a month because they might be tight one month.

and yes, i am doing other things.. to save money, including taking the bus :)

not to mention there are always wifi anywhere and everywere in school campus.. so i don't need edge, but will miss visual voice mail feature, i guess i will go old school and call in.. to hear my voice mail.

goosnarrggh
Nov 19, 2007, 05:51 AM
Wouldnt turning off Edge mean when you turn on your iphone its going to search for data and you will still be charged a different higher fee for not being in an Edge plan? i'm not planning on turning off my Edge since i use text messages and use Edge every once in a while when im not near a wifi area. Can anyone confirm there isn't any charges for data while being off of Edge?
It was mentioned by one person that apparently even if you opt out of the unlimited data plan, AT&T would by default continue to allow the iPhone to request EDGE service, and you'd automatically be charged the per-kilobyte rate instead. (It seems to me that such a policy would have to be mentioned somewhere in the terms of service you've already agreed to - maybe it's time to finally get around to reading all the fine print...)

But somebody else claimed that you can optionally contact customer service and instruct them to block all of your phone's attempts to access EDGE from their end.

Not being an AT&T customer (I don't even live in a country where the iPhone is available yet) I cannot vouch for the truth of this claim, but it seems like a reasonable question to call in to AT&T and ask about. With my carrier at least, calls to customer service are always toll free and don't count toward my airtime, so I'd imagine all it'd cost you is some of your time to find out for sure.

Geffen
Nov 19, 2007, 11:00 AM
After going into the AT&T wireless website i was able to change my plan from the $20 data plan over to a $14.99 data plan which has 1500 text messages instead of the 200 but it only allows 5MB of data, i'll at least be saving 5.00 a month on my iphone plan i mostly use my iphone with wifi and rarely use Edge and i do use text messages often so this one works out for me instead of cancelling the entire data plan there is another plan i noticed for data for only $4.99 which only 1MB is allowed. I noticed on my bill ive only used 1.6 MB of data already and im about a week from my bill closing date.

CTYankee
Nov 26, 2007, 10:38 PM
two questions:

1. What is the cost of the $60 plan a month after taxes and fees in California? My AT&T DSL/phone plan is $48 a month but that balloons to $70 with all the extras.

2. Can you turn on/off the Edge service? When I travel it would be good to have. however I work from home and an office that has wifi so 90% of my time is by wifi. The rest of the time I don't need it much (currently have a Treo that I rarely need to use on line).

Pacer69
Jan 6, 2008, 03:12 AM
After going into the AT&T wireless website i was able to change my plan from the $20 data plan over to a $14.99 data plan which has 1500 text messages instead of the 200 but it only allows 5MB of data, i'll at least be saving 5.00 a month on my iphone plan i mostly use my iphone with wifi and rarely use Edge and i do use text messages often so this one works out for me instead of cancelling the entire data plan there is another plan i noticed for data for only $4.99 which only 1MB is allowed. I noticed on my bill ive only used 1.6 MB of data already and im about a week from my bill closing date.

Thanks for posting that, sounds like a great solution for me as well.

Superman07
Jan 7, 2008, 08:38 AM
I must admit, and I've never said one negative thing about my iPhone on these boards, Edge seems worse the more I use it. It really seems like the biggest drawback of this phone. This opinion comes five months after being thrilled with just about all the iPhone's other features.

Sometimes, as I'm waiting for a page to load, I have to ask myself what they were thinking. I'll be somewhere using the phones features (controlled by my fingers, for crying out loud!) and I'll have to wait nearly a minute for a page to load. It even looks ridiculous.

If it weren't for losing Visual Voicemail, or whatever else, the option to save $20 would be quite tempting.

Can you tell a page to load and then use other fuctions and come back once the page is loaded, or does the iPhone default out of Safari?

DMann
Jan 7, 2008, 02:58 PM
Can you tell a page to load and then use other fuctions and come back once the page is loaded, or does the iPhone default out of Safari?

Yes. In the rare cases (commuting) I need to use EDGE, I let the e-mail and web-pages load while listening to messages, returning calls, texting, etc. The pages load in the background, which is great productivity wise. And if on the street, I'll temporarily tap into a wireless network which pops-up. Wi-MAX will soon solve all of these issues......

Pigumon
Jan 7, 2008, 09:56 PM
Yeah honestly what is with this wannabe JUDGMENTS FROM ABOVE??

YOU DONT DESERVE AN IPHONE IF YOU AREN'T RICH.

WTH???

Anyone can buy an iphone if they have $399

Anyone can use it ANY WAY THEY WANT whether it's $40 a month, $60 or how about $0 and use it as a paperweight? Guess what, they can do that and you can't tell them otherwise!

I would like an iphone but honestly i think anyone paying more than $20 a month to use a phone is a complete moron and just feeding the machine. But really i wouldn't call them a moron, 'cause that's just silly.

I use a prepaid and average about $17 a month.

If i had a prepaid iphone to use as a phone, and use all the wi-fi i want, i'd be happy. I often wonder if i should buy one and use my t-mobile prepaid on it and hope they keep up the hacks to make it work.

but the bottom line of this thread IS the bottom line. $20 off $60 is ONE THIRD off. If someone could get everything they buy at a 33% discount, but couldn't buy certain things they don't want, would you call them a moron?

machurdler
Jan 16, 2008, 12:45 AM
Is this still available? I got an iPhone on Christmas, and my next billing cycle has begun, but I am still not able to add/remove features online. Must I still wait a FULL month to do it? Also, my father went into the AT&T store and they said you could not remove the data plan...

Pacer69
Jan 17, 2008, 11:24 PM
Is this still available? I got an iPhone on Christmas, and my next billing cycle has begun, but I am still not able to add/remove features online. Must I still wait a FULL month to do it? Also, my father went into the AT&T store and they said you could not remove the data plan...

Yeah...someone above said they changed their plan. I'd call ATT and get the scoop.

DiamondMac
Jan 18, 2008, 11:16 AM
I couldn't live without Edge. Too important to me.

Work doesn't allow me to connect to their wireless from it nor is their any around me AND while driving (should I admit this?) I need it for directions with no wireless

Cybergypsy
Feb 20, 2008, 07:11 AM
it would be silly to get the iphone if you cant afford the $20 a month for data. the phone isnt the same with just wifi.

But some people dont use it much at all I leave my iphone in the car, I also unlocked it and went back to tmobile...AAT is suckie in my area and customer service is a joke.......

ThunderSkunk
Feb 21, 2008, 01:31 AM
Say a person:

a. uses their phone at work and at home (both locations have WiFi).
b. makes occasional phone calls.
c. does not use text messaging, but does email and IM.
d. does not use the internet while out and about.
e. sees spending money on a service they do not use as wasteful, and does not find waste to be constructive.

The iPhone minus the data plan fits this perfectly.

It takes a certain level of shortsightedness and arrogance to go around doling out advice based on the assumption that everyone is living the same life you are.

Some of us do not NEED electronic gadgets, practically or emotionally, but bought the iphone because we use all those functions SO LITTLE, that it's attractive as an all-in-one solution.

ThunderSkunk
Feb 21, 2008, 02:05 AM
People need clean air, clean water, and healthy food.
Then, a sense of freedom, companionship, and a means of reproduction.
Then, then satisfying growth/stability/security of future desires...
At best, the EDGE network is a luxury that fits in near the trailing end of these.

The notion that someone could not live without some (alright, non-medical) technological gadget, or any material possession for that matter, is very sad.

tagtagnc
Feb 21, 2008, 02:45 AM
[snip]Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2007/11/17/unsubscribe-to-iphone-data-edge-to-save-20-month/)

EDGE to me seems quite slow from those I've stopped using the iPhone in non-WiFi areas. It's one of the deterrents in me ever choosing to upgrade from my Nokia 3650 and (thankfully) out of contract phone with AT&T which was a T-Mobile phone to start. The rep entered data wrong when I simply signed up for service and was given a SIM card as the phone was unlocked by T-Mo since I was living at the time in Arkansas where T-Mo didn't have towers and I could never convince AT&T it wasn't their phone. It's pretty bad when you do a hard reset in front of someone to show that when it restarts there is a "Get More From Life" logo and not a AT&T Wireless or Cingular logo back in the day.

intoxicated662
Mar 20, 2008, 04:20 PM
I hear alot of complaints and negative comments from my 2 friends who both have their iphones on at&t. They pay alot more than than me. I pay about $66 after tax with t-mobile and my plan has: 600 daytime minutes, 400 txt msgs, t-zones (everything works fine and at a decent speed except no youtube but you can use wifi for that), free nights and weekends @ 9pm. Their at&t plan is: 450 daytime minutes, 200 txt messages, unlimited edge, free nights and weekends @ 9pm. However, they say their edge service is really slow and they get alot of dropped calls. Their signal fades when I talk to them and I hate to be talking and then be left hanging because of the other persons crappy service..lol

airfang
May 23, 2008, 12:05 PM
jesus... just found out that AT&T had removed the option to unsubscribe data plan...

what should I do...

Scooterman1
May 23, 2008, 01:46 PM
If it's like the Smartphone, you had better be ready for a Shock when your bill comes. On the Smartphone, removing a pre-paid Data plan DID NOT disable it from using the data network. You really had to do a lot to disable it. You had to remove all of the WAP settings and server IP addresses. Otherwise, you still accessed it and ran up your bill at an astronomical rate. It paid AT&T a lot if you removed the Data Plan that was pre-paid!

Chairman Plow
Jun 5, 2008, 08:29 AM
Yes, I propose that we remove $60/month. For the purchase of the iPhone, in exchange for dramatic exposure to the public, customers shall receive 2 years of free service with each iPhone purchase.

addendum
customers receiving free service agree not to call Customer Service, ever, since such calls would weigh heavily on the deficit such a move would cause AT&T.

:eek:

Comedy. That was great.... I really needed a laugh this morning. Thanks. :D

tjmrpm04
Jun 5, 2008, 03:13 PM
I'm thinking of actually activating my iPhone to use as a work cell phone JUST to use the data plan...

Anyone that does this A) is stupid and B) doesn't deserve an iPhone.

Holy s*&t that has to be one of the most ignorant things I have ever heard. I am waiting until next week to see what it has to offer before buying but I am looking into getting an iPhone and specifically do not want the data plan. I currently use my Treo 700wx without data and am happy to not have the data. I would like to use the iPhone for voice and for the same features that I would use my iTouch for. Now am I stupid because I want to combine the two so I dont have to freaking carry both? And what makes you more DESERVING of an iPhone. I do not mean to generalize anyone but this mentality of entitlement is why I avoided Apple for such a long time. It had nothing to do with the products because they are amazing. It had 100% to do with the people that used them and had the Holier Than Though attitude that because they used an Apple product, they are better than everyone else.

airfang
Jun 11, 2008, 10:31 PM
jesus... just found out that AT&T had removed the option to unsubscribe data plan...

what should I do...

So anyone has any updated information on this?:confused:

twoodcc
Jun 11, 2008, 11:11 PM
i'm going to keep my data plan. but the $30 for 3G might be too much for me though

MacDaddy08
Jun 12, 2008, 01:57 PM
you remove the $20 plan and you basically have an iPod Touch. I'm keeping my plan.

pacohaas
Jun 12, 2008, 02:16 PM
plus if you remove the $20 plan, there's no guarantee that you can re-add it after they introduce the $30 3G plan. Same thing happens if they discontinue your voice plan, if you ever change plans, you can't change back. I'm keeping mine just so I have the option of disabling 3G on the new one and popping in my old SIM.

Hopefully, they have a "non-3G" data package back at $20/month, but who knows...I guess we just have to wait and see.

billdoublewide
Jun 12, 2008, 05:08 PM
So if you go with the 3G, but skip the data plan, will GPS still function properly?

Is there (or will there be) an app to pre-download relevant maps? That's how many GPS devices work anyway.

mdeanoly
Jun 12, 2008, 05:43 PM
It says iPhone Data + 200

unless you have any better ideas on what the 200 stands for?

I think it stands for 200 text messages a month - which won't last long for me once I get an iPhone..

radiogod69
Jun 13, 2008, 02:30 PM
I just got off the phone from AT&T recently in regards to what the 3g iPhone data plans would cost. This is what the service rep told me

$20/mo 200 SMS messages

$30/mo 1500 SMS messages

$40/mo Unlimted SMS messages

I received this information in addition to a family talk $59.99 plan.

pacohaas
Jun 13, 2008, 09:19 PM
I just got off the phone from AT&T recently in regards to what the 3g iPhone data plans would cost. This is what the service rep told me

$20/mo 200 SMS messages

$30/mo 1500 SMS messages

$40/mo Unlimted SMS messages

I received this information in addition to a family talk $59.99 plan.Nothing's been released yet(except mention of the $30 plan), the rep you talked to just told you what they knew about the current iPhone plans. They probably don't even understand the difference between the 3G and the iPhone 1 and just quoted you on the current plans.

radiogod69
Jun 13, 2008, 11:21 PM
Nothing's been released yet(except mention of the $30 plan), the rep you talked to just told you what they knew about the current iPhone plans. They probably don't even understand the difference between the 3G and the iPhone 1 and just quoted you on the current plans.

Yeah I started to realize this after I posted it, I specifically indicated 3g probably 2 times, however I have a feeling there won't be any change in the data plan from my current 3g $30 plan. Although it would be nice if they upped the amount of sms messages you get with it.

rockinrocker
Jun 16, 2008, 07:54 PM
i personally have zero use for the data plan, and am not willing to pay $700 bucks for something i would never need....

anyway, it seems like it would be most useful to forget the pro-con discussion and see if we can get more definite info on this issue.

i for one won't be getting one if i can't cancel the data plan like you could on the previous model.

--Bender--
Jun 17, 2008, 08:46 AM
I think EDGE is a fine backup for those who can't or don't want to rely solely on WiFi. All of the login sequences get old on certain networks and sometimes take longer than if I just turn it off and get to the site I'm looking for. There are plenty of EGDE-friendly sites out there to get the information I need such as news, weather, scores, etc.

Oh and for the guy that was complaining about the number of clicks it takes to get to his iPod, I would say make it shortcut from your home button. That'll save you the 5 seconds you're looking for.

Sure you could cancel EDGE if you need to. I don't see any big deal in saving $20. I saved money going from a BlackJack to the iPhone because, ironically, I didn't have to pay for 3G - kind of a twist on this thread but anyway... I guess I wonder if people would be fine paying more for 3G? It costs $30/month, which I assume includes the hated EDGE as a backup.

pacohaas
Jun 17, 2008, 09:30 AM
yeah, what really sucks is the people who still live in non-3G cities and neighborhoods. They really should include an EDGE-only plan at the original $20 for those people and anyone else who doesn't want to pay for the extra speed.

Another thing I haven't heard much on this time around is the old "You can't get discounts on anything iPhone" mantra that AT&T stuck to with iPhone EDGE. I had to remove the discounts from my line(not the rest of my family plan) before it allowed me to get the iPhone data plan. This was presumably due to the profit-sharing agreement that Apple had to get a certain % of the monthly service fees, if they're being less strict about it this time around, perhaps I'll be able to get my 25% discount back, which would in itself pay for the extra $10 of the new data plan.

rockinrocker
Jun 17, 2008, 10:11 AM
yeah, what really sucks is the people who still live in non-3G cities and neighborhoods. They really should include an EDGE-only plan at the original $20 for those people and anyone else who doesn't want to pay for the extra speed.


yeah, this is relevant to me. i live in iowa and we have zero 3g coverage, making the extra cost for the data plan that much more of a waste. but really, either way (3g or edge) i don't need/want it, and am not going to pay for it. if i can cancel it, cool, i'm gettin' me some iphone. if not, forgetboutit.

airfang
Jun 17, 2008, 04:57 PM
i personally have zero use for the data plan, and am not willing to pay $700 bucks for something i would never need....

anyway, it seems like it would be most useful to forget the pro-con discussion and see if we can get more definite info on this issue.

i for one won't be getting one if i can't cancel the data plan like you could on the previous model.

My problem is now that the data plan for the 1st gen iPhone cannot be canceled (no option is provided now)

rockinrocker
Jun 17, 2008, 11:56 PM
My problem is now that the data plan for the 1st gen iPhone cannot be canceled (no option is provided now)

did you try calling customer service? or just go through the website? somebody said you can still cancel by calling the customer service.

ec51
Jun 28, 2008, 04:45 PM
If it's like the Smartphone, you had better be ready for a Shock when your bill comes. On the Smartphone, removing a pre-paid Data plan DID NOT disable it from using the data network. You really had to do a lot to disable it. You had to remove all of the WAP settings and server IP addresses. Otherwise, you still accessed it and ran up your bill at an astronomical rate. It paid AT&T a lot if you removed the Data Plan that was pre-paid!

Wow this is far from the truth...

I was using an unlocked BB 8320 with NO data (it was WiFi mind you) and I enjoyed free hotspots almost everywhere I went. I had At&t add "WIX BLOCK" which blocks ALL pay per use data. So before going around saying that "...you had to do a lot to disable it." Make sure you are fully informed. This WIX Block stopped all edge and allowed me to browse free with my WiFi.

And I agree with the other people here that if I can remove the $30 plan I will, I have WiFi almost everywhere I go which will be enough for me and I dont even have 3g in my area...so whats the point? Am I THAT important that I need 24/7 access to my email? No.


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